From km6cq at km6cq.com  Wed Oct  1 01:10:45 2014
From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:10:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Beta Firmware loading with Mac OS
Message-ID: <CADH=N1sUajCFtgre2xXsXwZbLnW33dm+rF_WnN8=_mBGME8tAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark.
I just did this last night with Mavericks and it worked fine. But I used
Chrome to do it. You might give that a try.

Dan KM6CQ

From tk at nk4i.com  Wed Oct  1 01:58:00 2014
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:58:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Unresponsive with latest Beta Firmware + PX3 image
	capture
Message-ID: <542B97E8.1010605@nk4i.com>

Assembled my PX3 today and turned on the KX3 which had been working 
fine. Updated firmware on the KX3, KXPA100, and PX3 to the latest 
firmware (2.23, 1.32, 1.11).  Kx3 has been on a pretty recent firmware 
release from early spring.

Was not able to get the PX3 Utility to do an image capture if the 
KXPA100 was in-line. Tried connecting my laptop directly to the PX3 and 
the image capture worked.  Went back to the KXPA100 in-line between the 
laptop and PX3 as is shown in the manual, the PX3 Utility would see the 
PX3 but when I do the image capture it fails and then the PX3 Utility 
reports the PX3 is unresponsive. Restart of the PX3 is needed to get it 
working again.

I Powered everything off and now the KX3 will not come on.  When I try 
to turn it on the 4 LED's on the front panel come on but nothing is 
displayed on the main display.  The only way to turn it off is to remove 
the power cable and open the case to pop a battery loose. I removed all 
cables from the KX3 and still the same behavior, 4 LED's and no display. 
  I tried a Param Init as well but that didn't help.

Any suggestions on getting the KX3 to start or what the 4 LED's indicates?

73, Tighe NK4I

From vincenzo.stefanazzi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 03:11:36 2014
From: vincenzo.stefanazzi at gmail.com (iw7dmh)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and HDMI monitor
Message-ID: <1412147496207-7593503.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello, 

I am planning to buy a new P3 and I would connect it to an external monitor. 
Since almost every new monitor has only HDMI inputs I am wondering if anyone
already uses an SVGA-> HDMI adapter with the P3 and if Elecraft will develop
in the future a new HDMI board for its P3. 

Thanks you very much
73' Enzo
iw7dmh



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From elecraft at g4fre.com  Wed Oct  1 03:33:59 2014
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:33:59 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 8.1 audio and the K3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12710.1412127772.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.12710.1412127772.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002401cfdd4a$113b2180$33b16480$@com>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:17:50 -0400
I don't think this issue is OS specific, I had the same thing with a new PC
and win 7. 

See my findings at
http://g4fre.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/interfacing-elecraft-k3-to-acer-v5.html

Dave

G4fre



From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 8.1 audio and the K3
Message-ID: <542B0FEE.5030504 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

First off I do not see this issue as a K3 problem but I am hoping 
someone else has found a fix.  My new HP laptop has a single audio jack 
hence i need a Y adapter to get a mic and speaker jack to run the 
digital modes.  When I plug the K3 line OUT into the Laptop mic IN (via 
the adapter or direct) Win 8.1 does not recognize that I plugged into 
the MIC jack, however if I plug into the K3 speaker out then Win 8.1 
sees the jack properly.  I assume there is some value of impedance or 
voltage that Win 8.1 is looking for that the K3 line out does not have.  
Only a guess on my part.

Has anybody else seen this?  Is there a fix?

Thank you

Rich
K3RWN




From elecraft at g4fre.com  Wed Oct  1 03:35:19 2014
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:35:19 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 8.1 audio and the K3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12710.1412127772.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.12710.1412127772.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002501cfdd4a$410e5350$c32af9f0$@com>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:17:50 -0400
I don't think this issue is OS specific, I had the same thing with a new PC
and win 7. 

See my findings at
http://g4fre.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/interfacing-elecraft-k3-to-acer-v5.html

Dave

G4fre



From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 8.1 audio and the K3
Message-ID: <542B0FEE.5030504 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

First off I do not see this issue as a K3 problem but I am hoping 
someone else has found a fix.  My new HP laptop has a single audio jack 
hence i need a Y adapter to get a mic and speaker jack to run the 
digital modes.  When I plug the K3 line OUT into the Laptop mic IN (via 
the adapter or direct) Win 8.1 does not recognize that I plugged into 
the MIC jack, however if I plug into the K3 speaker out then Win 8.1 
sees the jack properly.  I assume there is some value of impedance or 
voltage that Win 8.1 is looking for that the K3 line out does not have.  
Only a guess on my part.

Has anybody else seen this?  Is there a fix?

Thank you

Rich
K3RWN




From dl2ki at online.de  Wed Oct  1 05:36:44 2014
From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 02:36:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings
Message-ID: <1412156204590-7593506.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

a short question:

How it is possible to GET the equalizer setting of k3.

I experiment with the WA5ZNU "Python K3lib" and would like to add this new
function.

thanks

73, Wolfgang
DL2KI 



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From fritzejohn at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 08:34:00 2014
From: fritzejohn at gmail.com (John Fritze)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Noise blanker?
Message-ID: <CAC2wZkaYckNCC1rZW4DcfP3J0x9XbJE5Rg3apkX4tYn7DnowoQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am thoroughly impressed with my new PX3 but was wondering, when I go into
settings and activate the NB, nothing happens.  Is it not implemented yet?
I am running the latest BETA firmware.

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From w2up at comcast.net  Wed Oct  1 09:04:52 2014
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 06:04:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW/DATA text decode/display now working on the PX3
In-Reply-To: <00C62ADF-16C2-49D9-9A33-450654BEA9D5@elecraft.com>
References: <00C62ADF-16C2-49D9-9A33-450654BEA9D5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1412168692558-7593508.post@n2.nabble.com>

Will this also be available on the P3 at some point, or was I asleep at the
switch and it is already available?
Barry W2UP



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  1 09:21:57 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:21:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW/DATA text decode/display now working on the PX3
In-Reply-To: <1412168692558-7593508.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <00C62ADF-16C2-49D9-9A33-450654BEA9D5@elecraft.com>
	<1412168692558-7593508.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <542BFFF5.3010904@embarqmail.com>

Barry,

The SVGA option for the P3 adds that function.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/1/2014 9:04 AM, Barry wrote:
> Will this also be available on the P3 at some point, or was I asleep at the
> switch and it is already available?
> Barry W2UP
>
>


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Oct  1 09:48:09 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings
Message-ID: <0NCR00DXEQCAYT30@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi
It is not possible to do a get for the read equalizer directly. 
However you can iterate through the IC command to determine the value. 
From the manual;

The menu parameters for MAIN:RX EQ / TX EQ consist of 8 ?mini bar-graphs? with 5 possible ?levels.? These show up as the following characters in the DS response string (level 1 through 5):? ?_?, ?=?, ?>?, ?]?, and ?^?. To see how these should appear in a graphical application, go into RX EQ and vary one of the EQ bands over its full range.

In general you should not poll for this. It is better to reset the equalizer and then manage the settings and state in your program.

73s Tom 
va2fsq.com

On Oct 1, 2014 5:36 AM, dl2ki <dl2ki at online.de> wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> a short question: 
>
> How it is possible to GET the equalizer setting of k3. 
>
> I experiment with the WA5ZNU "Python K3lib" and would like to add this new 
> function. 
>
> thanks 
>
> 73, Wolfgang 
> DL2KI 
>
>
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From dl2ki at online.de  Wed Oct  1 12:11:27 2014
From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings
In-Reply-To: <0NCR00DXEQCAYT30@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <1412156204590-7593506.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<0NCR00DXEQCAYT30@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <1412179887286-7593511.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Tom,

that's the idea I was looking for!
Thanks, with this solution, I'll continue.

73, Wolfgang
DL2KI




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From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  1 12:16:00 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and HDMI monitor
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Hi Enzo,

I believe there are adapters that convert SVGA to HDMI, but I am sorry I 
do not have a list of manufacturers.

-Paul

Paul Saffren - N6HZ
Project Manager
Elecraft Inc.
831-763-4211 x122
www.elecraft.com

On 10/1/2014 12:11 AM, iw7dmh [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am planning to buy a new P3 and I would connect it to an external 
> monitor.
> Since almost every new monitor has only HDMI inputs I am wondering if 
> anyone already uses an SVGA-> HDMI adapter with the P3 and if Elecraft 
> will develop in the future a new HDMI board for its P3.
>
> Thanks you very much
> 73' Enzo
> iw7dmh
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Oct  1 12:18:34 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:18:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings
Message-ID: <0NCR00IK3XAZTP30@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi good. Just to set the record straight it's DS not IC. 
my phone keeps getting the wrong text predictions! 
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Oct 1, 2014 12:11 PM, dl2ki <dl2ki at online.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom, 
>
> that's the idea I was looking for! 
> Thanks, with this solution, I'll continue. 
>
> 73, Wolfgang 
> DL2KI 
>
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 12:19:20 2014
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:19:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and HDMI monitor
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Here's one ...  http://www.vgatohdmicable.com/

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC, IDXC 2015, W6NAG, IDXG,
ADXG, RRC #933, K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 Addict, Maui

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Hi Enzo,

I believe there are adapters that convert SVGA to HDMI, but I am sorry I do
not have a list of manufacturers.

-Paul

Paul Saffren - N6HZ
Project Manager
Elecraft Inc.
831-763-4211 x122
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On 10/1/2014 12:11 AM, iw7dmh [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am planning to buy a new P3 and I would connect it to an external 
> monitor.
> Since almost every new monitor has only HDMI inputs I am wondering if 
> anyone already uses an SVGA-> HDMI adapter with the P3 and if Elecraft 
> will develop in the future a new HDMI board for its P3.
>
> Thanks you very much
> 73' Enzo
> iw7dmh
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct  1 12:19:24 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 8.1 audio and the K3
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References: <542B0FEE.5030504@comcast.net>	<CAKjWhqsgz6Qoa-qH_9oDPgtbq=2CxxXFgBj3NTJH5j7JuA7YSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue,9/30/2014 5:44 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> I agree with the recommendation of using a USB audio adapter. 

This link lists some good USB adapters. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  1 12:28:52 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:28:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to use the PX3's noise blanker
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Hi John,

When you turn the NB on, you should see an "NB" icon in the upper-right corner. 

The menu also has a setting for NB level, which you may need to adjust. In my case I've assigned both NB and NB level to FN switches so I can change the settings very quickly. 

With the NB turned on, you will observe one of three things in the PX3's displayed spectra:

1. No change (because any noise that's present is too low in amplitude to activate the blanker)

2. A reduction in "jumping" of the display (because the NB is having a beneficial effect on the noise)

3. An *increase* in "jumping" of the display (because the NB level is set too aggressively)

Some experimentation with settings may be required. Note that the KX3 also has an NB function, with a similar level adjustment, but noise that affects the audible output of the KX3 may not affect the visual output of the PX3 and vice-versa. Thus they are independent settings.

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:34 AM, John Fritze <fritzejohn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am thoroughly impressed with my new PX3 but was wondering, when I go into
> settings and activate the NB, nothing happens.  Is it not implemented yet?
> I am running the latest BETA firmware.
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  1 12:34:37 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Unresponsive with latest Beta Firmware + PX3
	image capture
In-Reply-To: <542B97E8.1010605@nk4i.com>
References: <542B97E8.1010605@nk4i.com>
Message-ID: <0A49F6D1-65C8-41AC-9996-DCAD07578DED@elecraft.com>

Tighe,

Please contact customer support about your KX3 issues. I believe that is completely in dependent of your other problem -- not being able to do an image capture with the KXPA100 in-line. That is a bug we're working on. The temporary workaround for that is to set PA MODE to OFF when doing an image capture.

Wayne
N6KR


On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Tighe Kuykendall <tk at nk4i.com> wrote:

> Assembled my PX3 today and turned on the KX3 which had been working fine. Updated firmware on the KX3, KXPA100, and PX3 to the latest firmware (2.23, 1.32, 1.11).  Kx3 has been on a pretty recent firmware release from early spring.
> 
> Was not able to get the PX3 Utility to do an image capture if the KXPA100 was in-line. Tried connecting my laptop directly to the PX3 and the image capture worked.  Went back to the KXPA100 in-line between the laptop and PX3 as is shown in the manual, the PX3 Utility would see the PX3 but when I do the image capture it fails and then the PX3 Utility reports the PX3 is unresponsive. Restart of the PX3 is needed to get it working again.
> 
> I Powered everything off and now the KX3 will not come on.  When I try to turn it on the 4 LED's on the front panel come on but nothing is displayed on the main display.  The only way to turn it off is to remove the power cable and open the case to pop a battery loose. I removed all cables from the KX3 and still the same behavior, 4 LED's and no display.  I tried a Param Init as well but that didn't help.
> 
> Any suggestions on getting the KX3 to start or what the 4 LED's indicates?
> 
> 73, Tighe NK4I
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From tk at nk4i.com  Wed Oct  1 12:46:19 2014
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Unresponsive with latest Beta Firmware + PX3
 image capture
In-Reply-To: <0A49F6D1-65C8-41AC-9996-DCAD07578DED@elecraft.com>
References: <542B97E8.1010605@nk4i.com>
	<0A49F6D1-65C8-41AC-9996-DCAD07578DED@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <542C2FDB.30307@nk4i.com>

Thanks, Wayne.  Howard just replied to a support e-mail sent this 
morning.  Good to know about the workaround for image capture, was just 
trying all the nerd knobs when I ran into that.

Tighe
NK4I

On 10/1/14 12:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Tighe,
>
> Please contact customer support about your KX3 issues. I believe that is completely in dependent of your other problem -- not being able to do an image capture with the KXPA100 in-line. That is a bug we're working on. The temporary workaround for that is to set PA MODE to OFF when doing an image capture.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>


From mbabineau at magma.ca  Wed Oct  1 13:48:14 2014
From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Mikes
Message-ID: <916D4BF3-3521-4984-8D3E-BF45F61C4FAF@magma.ca>

On a note related to this topic ? for anyone with the KSB2 module, I highly recommend installing the unpcbs.com 
Internal Mic Adaptor kit (www.unpcbs.com).  This little add-on kit  is brilliant !  Once installed, rewiring the K2 for a different mic 
(assuming 8 pin foster connector) is simply a matter of removing the side panel on the K2 and moving a few headers
on the board ? it even allows the selection of proper bias resistors (included in the kit).  

The usual disclaimer applies, I have no connection to unpcbs.com, other than being a satisfied customer.  

Michael VE3WMB / VA2NB 

From vincenzo.stefanazzi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 14:11:48 2014
From: vincenzo.stefanazzi at gmail.com (iw7dmh)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 11:11:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and HDMI monitor
In-Reply-To: <000801cfdd93$756d6bb0$60484310$@gmail.com>
References: <1412147496207-7593503.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<542C28B5.20902@elecraft.com>
	<000801cfdd93$756d6bb0$60484310$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1412187108482-7593520.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thank a lot for your answers. 
It is just what I was looking for. I hope they can do the work with no
problems. (I am thinking about strong RF)

Best regards
73' Enzo
iw7dmh



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From w6jhb at me.com  Wed Oct  1 16:48:01 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 13:48:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Win 8.1 audio and the K3
In-Reply-To: <542C298C.4030404@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <542B0FEE.5030504@comcast.net>
	<CAKjWhqsgz6Qoa-qH_9oDPgtbq=2CxxXFgBj3NTJH5j7JuA7YSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<542B4E8A.50905@aol.com> <542C298C.4030404@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <2C490452-37B7-421C-9767-E9B67F867F73@me.com>

After reading K9YC's write-up on audio devices, I purchased a Tascam US-125M on eBay for about $75. It works great - no jumpers to mess with, and in a nice, shielded metal case. 

Jim / W6JHB

On   Wednesday, Oct 1, 2014, at  Wednesday, 9:19 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Tue,9/30/2014 5:44 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> I agree with the recommendation of using a USB audio adapter. 
> 
> This link lists some good USB adapters. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Wed Oct  1 17:28:56 2014
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:28:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to use the PX3's noise blanker
In-Reply-To: <E263D3DC-C40D-4ADA-9946-DF7263DCF095@elecraft.com>
References: <CAC2wZkaYckNCC1rZW4DcfP3J0x9XbJE5Rg3apkX4tYn7DnowoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E263D3DC-C40D-4ADA-9946-DF7263DCF095@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1412198936315-7593522.post@n2.nabble.com>

Some of the other menu items toggle through the options on the menu screen, I
noticed NB does not, It does change NB status but you don.t see the options
switch .  It does however toggle the NB



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct  1 18:38:34 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 16:38:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10
Message-ID: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>

Surprise! Microsoft has released a preview of Windows 10!  Yes... 
Windows Ten.  Skipped 9.  I'm testing it now for compatibility with the 
firmware updaters and normal software used by Elecrafters.  Stay tuned.  
It looks like a real winner so far.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

From lists at subich.com  Wed Oct  1 19:31:13 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>
References: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>
Message-ID: <542C8EC1.2050802@subich.com>


 > Yes... Windows Ten.  Skipped 9.

  ... skipped 9 for good reason.  No intelligent marketer wants to
open the door to "Windows, nein!"  Perhaps one could even consider
LINUX to be "Windows Nein" <G>

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-01 6:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> Surprise! Microsoft has released a preview of Windows 10!  Yes...
> Windows Ten.  Skipped 9.  I'm testing it now for compatibility with the
> firmware updaters and normal software used by Elecrafters.  Stay tuned.
> It looks like a real winner so far.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  1 19:47:15 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to use the PX3's noise blanker
In-Reply-To: <1412198936315-7593522.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAC2wZkaYckNCC1rZW4DcfP3J0x9XbJE5Rg3apkX4tYn7DnowoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E263D3DC-C40D-4ADA-9946-DF7263DCF095@elecraft.com>
	<1412198936315-7593522.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1412207235446-7593525.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Bob, 

Thanks for finding that.  Just fixed it for the next revision. 

Kind regards, 

Paul






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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:54:12 2014
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:54:12 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>
References: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaETZgkYs6EP3YYiM1_iUbR_CE1j+ACkkM8O+hP12waqmg@mail.gmail.com>

See Microsoft release notice. 9 would have caused the new version to look
for Win 95/98 first then not look further.
:-)

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 02/10/2014 8:38 AM, "Doug Person via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

> Surprise! Microsoft has released a preview of Windows 10!  Yes... Windows
> Ten.  Skipped 9.  I'm testing it now for compatibility with the firmware
> updaters and normal software used by Elecrafters.  Stay tuned.  It looks
> like a real winner so far.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  1 20:09:51 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 17:09:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CA+MFBaETZgkYs6EP3YYiM1_iUbR_CE1j+ACkkM8O+hP12waqmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>
	<CA+MFBaETZgkYs6EP3YYiM1_iUbR_CE1j+ACkkM8O+hP12waqmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542C97CF.4010402@elecraft.com>

Lets table the general Microsoft OT comments in the interest of keeping list 
traffic under control.

-Specifics- on W10 are OK for now, as long as posts do not get out of control :-)

73,
Eric
List Moderation, Inc.
elecraft.com

On 10/1/2014 4:54 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> See Microsoft release notice. 9 would have caused the new version to look
> for Win 95/98 first then not look further.
> :-)
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  1 20:11:58 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 17:11:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New PX3 production firmware (rev. 1.11)
Message-ID: <6006A4B5-666F-440F-B41B-23F0C1E2D601@elecraft.com>

PX3 rev. 1.11 is now a production release, which means it can be downloaded with one click using PX3 Utility. This release is highly recommended for all PX3 users. It cleans up a number of issues such as unwanted band changes when used with a KXPA100, and also has many minor improvements. 

Be sure to use KX3 firmware rev. 2.23 with rev. 1.11 PX3 firmware. 

Links and instructions can be found at:

   http://www.elecraft.com/PX3/PX3_software.htm
   http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:11:52 2014
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:11:52 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <542C97CF.4010402@elecraft.com>
References: <542C826A.3060702@aol.com>
	<CA+MFBaETZgkYs6EP3YYiM1_iUbR_CE1j+ACkkM8O+hP12waqmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<542C97CF.4010402@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaHzei+YEEcGhWnpObEhEWkdc7y-8CaAGG06aY_72140Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok. I quit.

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 02/10/2014 10:10 AM, "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <eric at elecraft.com>
wrote:

>  Lets table the general Microsoft OT comments in the interest of keeping
> list traffic under control.
>
> -Specifics- on W10 are OK for now, as long as posts do not get out of
> control :-)
>
> 73,
>  Eric
> List Moderation, Inc.
> elecraft.com
>
>  On 10/1/2014 4:54 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
> See Microsoft release notice. 9 would have caused the new version to look
> for Win 95/98 first then not look further.
> :-)
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
>
>
>
>

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Wed Oct  1 22:06:49 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:06:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
Message-ID: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>

I have dabbled a bit with RTTY mostly with the Centenial and some DX  
but this past weekend I thought  Ill give the CQWW-RTTY a try. spent a 
little time and got things working using N1MM and MMVARI using DATA-A  
relying on the P3  for waterfall display.   It seems I got bitten by the 
RTTY contest bug  because I loved it.  So here is the question to the 
serious RTTY contester.   what is the ideal setup.   is MMTTY and DATA-A 
best or should I interface for fsk. and is MMTTY the best option here?   
and more important what is the best way to do this both from software 
and hardware setup.

-- 
David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  1 22:31:51 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>

David,

Actually, MMTTY and data sub-mode AFSK-A on the K3 will give you the 
best transmitter IMD.  With MMTTY, you would tune with the K3 VFO rather 
than clicking on a waterfall display - this is a computer soundcard 
application of MMTTY.

If you prefer to click on a waterfall display, then an application other 
than MMTTY should be used.

Yes, you can do FSK-D with MMTTY, and that requires a "one transistor 
interface" to drive the K3 ACC connector pin 1.  Some prefer that 
approach because it avoids setting the soundcard levels correctly for 
transmit.  The choice is yours to make.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/1/2014 10:06 PM, david Moes wrote:
> I have dabbled a bit with RTTY mostly with the Centenial and some DX  
> but this past weekend I thought  Ill give the CQWW-RTTY a try. spent a 
> little time and got things working using N1MM and MMVARI using DATA-A  
> relying on the P3  for waterfall display.   It seems I got bitten by 
> the RTTY contest bug  because I loved it.  So here is the question to 
> the serious RTTY contester.   what is the ideal setup.   is MMTTY and 
> DATA-A best or should I interface for fsk. and is MMTTY the best 
> option here?   and more important what is the best way to do this both 
> from software and hardware setup.
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct  1 22:37:25 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:37:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <542CBA65.2040901@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,10/1/2014 7:06 PM, david Moes wrote:
> So here is the question to the serious RTTY contester.   what is the 
> ideal setup. 

Most contes.ters use MMTTY. Some swear by FSK, some like AFSK. For FSK, 
use FSK-D. For AFSK, use AFSK-A. AFSK has always used LSB, while other 
digital modes use USB. The two popular logging programs are N1MM (Free, 
excellent) and WriteLog (Not Free). I use N1MM and AFSK, and use VOX for 
PTT.

N1MM has the capability to open additional decoding windows, each of 
which can be optimized for different forms of distortion caused by 
propagation. Most of us use a program called 2Tone for those additional 
windows. We use the additional windows because sometimes the decoders 
miss one or more characters, but if you're running multiple decoders, 
there's a good chance that at least one of them will copy the exchange 
and you won't need to ask for a repeat.

Google to find MMTTY. 2Tone is distributed on the email reflector for 
N1MM Digital. Both are free.

There's an applications note here

http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

that talks about some good USB audio interfaces and setting levels to 
produce a clean signal.

73, Jim K9YC

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Wed Oct  1 22:42:59 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net> <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <542CBBB3.3000208@nexicom.net>

Thanks Don   so it seems I was doing the right thing   I did start with 
MMVARI then went to MMTTY  both AFSK A   I misspoke in the original post 
saying DATA-A but meant AFSK-A   so it seems I am on the right track  I 
find tuning with the VFO and watching the markers on the P3  the 
easiest    I dont like tuning with the mouse.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/1/2014 22:31, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> David,
>
> Actually, MMTTY and data sub-mode AFSK-A on the K3 will give you the 
> best transmitter IMD.  With MMTTY, you would tune with the K3 VFO 
> rather than clicking on a waterfall display - this is a computer 
> soundcard application of MMTTY.
>
> If you prefer to click on a waterfall display, then an application 
> other than MMTTY should be used.
>
> Yes, you can do FSK-D with MMTTY, and that requires a "one transistor 
> interface" to drive the K3 ACC connector pin 1.  Some prefer that 
> approach because it avoids setting the soundcard levels correctly for 
> transmit.  The choice is yours to make.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/1/2014 10:06 PM, david Moes wrote:
>> I have dabbled a bit with RTTY mostly with the Centenial and some DX  
>> but this past weekend I thought  Ill give the CQWW-RTTY a try. spent 
>> a little time and got things working using N1MM and MMVARI using 
>> DATA-A  relying on the P3 for waterfall display.   It seems I got 
>> bitten by the RTTY contest bug  because I loved it.  So here is the 
>> question to the serious RTTY contester.   what is the ideal setup.   
>> is MMTTY and DATA-A best or should I interface for fsk. and is MMTTY 
>> the best option here?   and more important what is the best way to do 
>> this both from software and hardware setup.
>>
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Oct  1 22:47:29 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:47:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <542CBCC1.6040703@foothill.net>

On 10/1/2014 7:06 PM, david Moes wrote:
> I have dabbled a bit with RTTY mostly with the Centenial and some DX but
> this past weekend I thought  Ill give the CQWW-RTTY a try. spent a
> little time and got things working using N1MM and MMVARI using DATA-A
> relying on the P3  for waterfall display.   It seems I got bitten by the
> RTTY contest bug  because I loved it.  So here is the question to the
> serious RTTY contester.   what is the ideal setup.   is MMTTY and DATA-A
> best or should I interface for fsk. and is MMTTY the best option here?
> and more important what is the best way to do this both from software
> and hardware setup.
>
There are as many answers as there are people on this list, David.  I 
run minimalist for 295 Q's in the RTTY this last weekend in about 7 hrs 
of operation.  Two Radio Shack stereo cables, computer line out goes to 
K3 line in, K3 line out goes to computer line in, I run N1MM and MMTTY. 
  I did finally put a 10 dB audio pad in the cable to the computer line 
in, the K3 was a little hot for it, but it worked fine without the pad 
too, just a tad touchy.  VOX keys the K3.

With a K3 and its incredibly clean audio, AFSK and direct FSK are 
essentially indistinguishable if your sound card is clean, and most are 
these days ... you can get really good ones, see K9YC's website -- 
audiosystemsgroup.com

There are many who use various interfaces -- SignalLink, Microham, and 
others, and those who use direct FSK, it seems like a lot of questions 
arise with this extra hardware, but I've never used any of it so I'm not 
the guy to expound on them, I've just never needed them and they were 
more software running on my logging computer.

One thing with N1MM ... be sure to define your RTTY macro file to it for 
each contest so it knows which macros to load.  And a few tips, take as 
you wish.

Start every transmission with {TX}{ENTER}TEXT and follow the text by one 
space and {RX}.

The {ENTER} starts you on his next line, clear of any garbage he's 
printed before you answered or called.  The space at the end of your 
transmission clears you of the noise he's going to print as soon as your 
MARK goes away.

Following the text with more line feeds causes your text to jump up in 
his window [not on Writelog, AFIK], and makes it hard to click on your call.

RTTY being auto-decoded, it's a really good idea if you are running, to 
make your exchange: DL6XX 599 03 CA DL6XX.  He probably knows who and 
where you are, he called you, but he may not know that he's the guy you 
responded to.  By that time, the pile and QRM may have subsided.  I put 
my own call at the end of S&P exchanges again, just to make sure he got 
it right.  Others don't which is OK too.

Keep in mind that the 5-unit Baudot code has 32 possible combinations, 
not enough for all the alphabet, numbers and punctuation.  Sending "5NN 
03 CA" adds two additional characters -- a LTRS in the signal report, 
and a FIGS to get to the zone.  Same for punctuation.  Since we're all 
running at the exact same code speed, adding function characters isn't 
going to improve rate. :-)

I'd start minimalist if you can, and then decide if you need additional 
interface hardware.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct  1 23:36:55 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:36:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CBCC1.6040703@foothill.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net> <542CBCC1.6040703@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <542CC857.2000100@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,10/1/2014 7:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
>
> Start every transmission with {TX}{ENTER}TEXT and follow the text by 
> one space and {RX}.

What Fred means is that TEXT is what you want to send with that F-key. :)

> The {ENTER} starts you on his next line, clear of any garbage he's 
> printed before you answered or called.  The space at the end of your 
> transmission clears you of the noise he's going to print as soon as 
> your MARK goes away.

I really hate Line Feeds (the ENTER). Especially when you're running 
several decode windows, they must be pretty small, and a few Line Feeds 
will scroll too much stuff out of the window! What I like much better is 
a leading space and a trailing space for every F-Key message. Those 
spaces are enough to separate your call and exchange from whatever other 
stuff is on the screen, because N1MM and WriteLog will highlight calls. 
And if that space is there, you can click on the call (and parts of the 
exchange), which will copy them to the data entry window!

I agree with all of Fred's other advice, except that when I'm running, I 
send the other guy's call again at the end of the exchange if I think 
there is QRM, or if I doubled with him because he sent his call again 
after I had begun responding.  Also, in S&P, I send nothing but the 
exchange UNLESS I think he mis-copied my call, in which case I'll send 
it again, twice, then send the exchange.

One of the rules of contesting (and DXing) is NEVER send something the 
other guy has already gotten right. That can be tricky to know with 
RTTY, because decoders often make mistakes on calls. In contesting, if 
he gets your call wrong, HE loses points but you do not. And it's good 
sportsmanship to try to correct him.

73, Jim K9YC

From lists at subich.com  Wed Oct  1 23:52:11 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 23:52:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CC857.2000100@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net> <542CBCC1.6040703@foothill.net>
	<542CC857.2000100@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <542CCBEB.1000609@subich.com>


> I really hate Line Feeds (the ENTER). Especially when you're running
> several decode windows, they must be pretty small, and a few Line
> Feeds will scroll too much stuff out of the window! What I like much
> better is a leading space and a trailing space for every F-Key
> message. Those spaces are enough to separate your call and exchange
> from whatever other stuff is on the screen, because N1MM and WriteLog
> will highlight calls. And if that space is there, you can click on
> the call (and parts of the exchange), which will copy them to the
> data entry window!

While I dislike those who use multiple Line Feeds, I absolutely despise
those who do not start their transmission with *one* Line Feed.  Without
the linefeed, the cursor is not returned to be start of the line and
the call gets buried in the garble (decoded noise) somewhere toward the
end of the line.  The call decoding/highlighting routines in N1MM and
WriteLog are good but they do have their peculiarities ... and will
either highlight more than the call or will only highlight calls in the
"known calls" file - which means they will miss new contesters, those
just working a few stations/new DX, or those who do not submit logs on
a regular basis.

By starting each transmission with {ENTER} the call is almost always
in the first dozen or so spaces on the bottom line of the decode window
and each to "click" if one is using a mouse or right in the center if
view if one is working from the keyboard.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-01 11:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Wed,10/1/2014 7:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Start every transmission with {TX}{ENTER}TEXT and follow the text by
>> one space and {RX}.
>
> What Fred means is that TEXT is what you want to send with that F-key. :)
>
>> The {ENTER} starts you on his next line, clear of any garbage he's
>> printed before you answered or called.  The space at the end of your
>> transmission clears you of the noise he's going to print as soon as
>> your MARK goes away.
>
> I really hate Line Feeds (the ENTER). Especially when you're running
> several decode windows, they must be pretty small, and a few Line Feeds
> will scroll too much stuff out of the window! What I like much better is
> a leading space and a trailing space for every F-Key message. Those
> spaces are enough to separate your call and exchange from whatever other
> stuff is on the screen, because N1MM and WriteLog will highlight calls.
> And if that space is there, you can click on the call (and parts of the
> exchange), which will copy them to the data entry window!
>
> I agree with all of Fred's other advice, except that when I'm running, I
> send the other guy's call again at the end of the exchange if I think
> there is QRM, or if I doubled with him because he sent his call again
> after I had begun responding.  Also, in S&P, I send nothing but the
> exchange UNLESS I think he mis-copied my call, in which case I'll send
> it again, twice, then send the exchange.
>
> One of the rules of contesting (and DXing) is NEVER send something the
> other guy has already gotten right. That can be tricky to know with
> RTTY, because decoders often make mistakes on calls. In contesting, if
> he gets your call wrong, HE loses points but you do not. And it's good
> sportsmanship to try to correct him.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From zephd at indy.rr.com  Wed Oct  1 23:52:40 2014
From: zephd at indy.rr.com (Dave Zeph)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 23:52:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <E66FEAC6E2AA4C888E2DB9D28E634509@BigKahuna>

To give equal time to other equally good logging software, I run my K3 in
D-FSK via a homebrew LED Isolator Interface with Win-Test (not free) plus
MMTTY, or DXLog (free at www.dxlog.net) with both MMTTY and 2Tone.



73 --> Dave, W9PA




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of david
Moes
Sent: Wednesday, 01 October, 2014 22:07
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY DATA-A or FSK

I have dabbled a bit with RTTY mostly with the Centenial and some DX  
but this past weekend I thought  Ill give the CQWW-RTTY a try. spent a 
little time and got things working using N1MM and MMVARI using DATA-A  
relying on the P3  for waterfall display.   It seems I got bitten by the 
RTTY contest bug  because I loved it.  So here is the question to the 
serious RTTY contester.   what is the ideal setup.   is MMTTY and DATA-A 
best or should I interface for fsk. and is MMTTY the best option here?   
and more important what is the best way to do this both from software 
and hardware setup.

-- 
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President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Oct  2 00:19:30 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 00:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <542CD252.60305@nexicom.net>

Thanks everyone for the advice.  sounds like I was well on the right 
track.  I just wasn't sure if I should go with FSK  seems I don't need 
to.    I have seen references to using multiple decode screens  and was 
on the research list  glad you mentioned it Jim.     I have a good 
dedicated sound card for AFSK and  have been using it for a long time 
for other digital modes and analog sstv etc.  so no worries there.    
and yep I did have it AFSK-A  not DATA-A as I wrote in the OP sorry 
about that confusion.

As far as padding the messages with a line feed and  space at the end   
yep  found many ops that didn't do that and was hard to know which was 
the first or last letter of a call vs decoded noise sometimes like this
"LKASDFVE3SD 599 04 ON  VE3SDYUBDS ASJD AGWSW"
very  Confusing.   I quickly confirmed I had a leading and trailing 
space on all macros when I realised what was happening so I wasn't doing 
the same thing to others. I didn't add the line feed  Ill revisit that 
before next contest.

All good advice
Thanks

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD




From xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz  Thu Oct  2 00:52:00 2014
From: xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz (paulb)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 100 watt power amp fail and fix
Message-ID: <1412225520180-7593539.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi folks

thanks to historic user postings regarding the KPA100 amp
loosing power control

D17 shorted.

Havn't got spares on hand so replaced D16 and D17 with
stock 1N4148 which have a higher forward turn on voltage.

Output checks seem ok and RF indication on the K2 looks
normal.

cheers 

Paul 
zl1ajy






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From k6fw1 at verizon.net  Thu Oct  2 02:02:31 2014
From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank Westphal)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 23:02:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
Message-ID: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>

Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split 
N/A error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from 
CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split 
having to change from split operation before mode change and then change 
back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This is 
extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.  
Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a company 
to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a 
product easy to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a 
firmware fix for this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed 
operating the K3 for the last year.

Thanks in advance.

Frank
K6FW


From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 04:29:16 2014
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:29:16 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002a01cfde1a$f9614090$ec23c1b0$@co.uk>

I agree. There are only two valid reasons for a transceiver refusing to
obey a direct operator command: to avoid physical damage, or to avoid
transmitting illegally out-of-band.

So when the operator presses the SPLIT button, the transceiver should do
as it's told! Every other make of transceiver will do that, and will
automatically reset the second VFO (or second RX) to the same band and
mode as the main. Most will also allow the operator to program an
automatic frequency offset to eliminate any possibility of transmitting
on top of the DX station. 

Those "Smart Split" options have evolved into an industry standard for a
very good reason: it is what users need and expect. The K3 is not being
uniquely smart in behaving differently... just uniquely ignorant of the
way that SPLIT is used in real life.

Please don't anybody say "Use a macro" - I wrote my own Smart Split
macro on the first day that facility was released. But the point is: I
shouldn't have needed to do that. Industry-standard options like Smart
Split should have been part of the K3's core firmware since version
1.0.0.0.

Sigh...  seven years down the line, I can't believe we're still needing
to beg for something that is so industry-standard and so obvious.


73 from Ian GM3SEK

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Frank Westphal
>Sent: 02 October 2014 07:03
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>
>Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split
>N/A error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>having to change from split operation before mode change and then
change
>back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
is
>extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
company
>to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
>product easy to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a
>firmware fix for this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed
>operating the K3 for the last year.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Frank
>K6FW




From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Oct  2 06:32:51 2014
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 03:32:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net> <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1412245971.10889.62.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
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On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 22:31 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> David,
> 
> Actually, MMTTY and data sub-mode AFSK-A on the K3 will give you the 
> best transmitter IMD.  With MMTTY, you would tune with the K3 VFO rather 
> than clicking on a waterfall display - this is a computer soundcard 
> application of MMTTY.
> 
> If you prefer to click on a waterfall display, then an application other 
> than MMTTY should be used.
> 
> Yes, you can do FSK-D with MMTTY, and that requires a "one transistor 
> interface" to drive the K3 ACC connector pin 1.  Some prefer that 
> approach because it avoids setting the soundcard levels correctly for 
> transmit.  The choice is yours to make.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/1/2014 10:06 PM, david Moes wrote:
> > I have dabbled a bit with RTTY mostly with the Centenial and some DX  
> > but this past weekend I thought  Ill give the CQWW-RTTY a try. spent a 
> > little time and got things working using N1MM and MMVARI using DATA-A  
> > relying on the P3  for waterfall display.   It seems I got bitten by 
> > the RTTY contest bug  because I loved it.  So here is the question to 
> > the serious RTTY contester.   what is the ideal setup.   is MMTTY and 
> > DATA-A best or should I interface for fsk. and is MMTTY the best 
> > option here?   and more important what is the best way to do this both 
> > from software and hardware setup.
> >
> 
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From iw1ayd at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 07:26:45 2014
From: iw1ayd at gmail.com (Salvatore Irato)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:26:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY DATA-A or FSK
Message-ID: <CAAhLcE4J=KSwuQK50prjVpKHHRonEfNZaDdiy-cPoRaUpVNfuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.
I strongly disagree with the words  that say DATA, thus AFSK - whistle
tones , is the better RTTY contest modes. There are, from my point of
several points against this theory.
Nor AFSK is the best non contest mode for RTTY. It's just for casual
operations, often with radio that doesn't have FSK or have false FSK
using two audio oscillators manipulated by the FSK external signal.
Luckily or beloved K3 is a real RTTY FSK radio, non a mimicker like
some other brands.

The main points I see against AFSK are:
1) Whistling the tones, even if the K3 have a TX ALC control much
better than other radios it's too much prone to the attention of any
operator, that could become low and low hour after our when in contest
1.a) this is true even if our K3 have a great approach to ALC control
when in digital modes
2) Tones IMD of the default AFSK emission is high, the generated BF
signal, worst when used more down than 2000 Hz, will affect the RTTY
signal to be on air
2.a) partial solution is to enhance the standard DSP filtering of the
MMTTY BF generated tones using MMTTY Setup - into the TX tab -
changing TxBPF/TxLPF to set, at least, TxBFP enabled and Tap to 512 -
this could affect performances on the low edged PC ... but look with
the "f" button, just nearby: what a difference! (it's just a picture
generated by tap number, but real life look like it)
3) since last year new firmware the K3 have a more and more pure
routines to generate the tones manipulation switching issue - this
syndrome affect any real FSK transceiver. The quality of the LSB
NORMAL tones is really now excellent and much better than any other
radio.

Giving at least those 3 points and their reversed effects I say that
FSK with the K3 is the better way to with it. More stable on AGC
control - that indeed isn't any more needed - more clear and crispy
tones even with low tones pair.

Anecdotally I could affirm than since the FSK FW changes I have much
more problems of other contester signals proximity even with the PA
and a lot of elements well high on the roof. East and North European
stations are gliding too near to me, times over times. This is
happening in both the main direction directions where I could aim the
aerials, a 16x3 and a 3 el. Quad. Thus when pointing JA I will pass
over East Europe but nevertheless a lot of East operators come well
into my tight RUN set-up filter, 400 Hz used a 500 Hz. This mean that
they don't have any serious problem with my signal, even with the PA
and what I consider a big gain aerial ... plenty of signal strength...
I have often to move out of the mess they are making with those near
and pesky signals into my filter. Driving roofing filter down to the
250Hz used at 350 Hz is not a viable option all the time. Better to
maintain the rate finding another QRG much clear.

So, I will vote for RTTY-L, never for DATA-A or AFSK forever with
those well known 3 conditions.

           73 de iw1ayd Salvo

PS BTW 2Tone already have the purest filters for AFSK audio tones
generation to whistle. The Author have already solved the worst tones
issues since the start. Also FLDIGI use strict DSP filtering, but also
add, as 2Tone - my memory - some other techniques to prevent tone IMD
since the Sound Interfaces signal generations. But not all Sound
Interfaces are the same. But all the radio are the quite the (out of
some native SDR) for TX filtering. The choice of high tones, > 2000
Hz, is anyway a must, even if clicking on RTTY signals with the mouse!

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Oct  2 07:30:06 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 07:30:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <1412245971.10889.62.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net> <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>
	<1412245971.10889.62.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
Message-ID: <542D373E.7010501@nexicom.net>

With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really 
good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies 
within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use 
the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A     
risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will 
also get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good 
quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark 
frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3  I 
may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?


From fritzejohn at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 08:53:22 2014
From: fritzejohn at gmail.com (John Fritze)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:53:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 noise blanker
Message-ID: <CAC2wZkaFV2eaZUqY2SYfsaB1S=xok=b-uXAUha7PgcoZFAuS_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Wayne for clearing up what was my misunderstanding regarding the
PX3 noise blanker.  I now see what the problem is. It was in my
interpretation of what I expected to see when I went to the "NB en"  menu
parameter.  The next line says "Turn noise blanker on/off".  Since I saw no
change here, I pressed the knob several times probably ending up back with
the NB off, so when I backed out of the MENU I did not have the NB in the
upper right.

I suggested that it might be better to have that second line say "Turn
noise blanker on" (or "Turn noise blanker off") depending on the current
state.  That would be more in keeping with the other menu items that show
the change in the menu setup.

Anyway, now that I understand what I should be seeing, it does turn on and
off.  Thanks for helping me out,

BTW, I think the PX3 is really neat!

-- 
John Fritze Jr
K2QY
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Albany County RACES Radio Officer
ARES ENY DEC Northern District
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct  2 09:00:59 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:00:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542D373E.7010501@nexicom.net>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
	<542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>	<1412245971.10889.62.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<542D373E.7010501@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <542D4C8B.50509@subich.com>


> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
> good quality.

Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A risk
> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will also
> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3  I
> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>
> David Moes
> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
> dmoes at nexicom.net
> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>
> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>
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From wu6x at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 09:06:31 2014
From: wu6x at hotmail.com (Dennis Gregory)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and AL-80B
Message-ID: <BLU176-W489DFB3F3B296450B28C2883B90@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know of any issues with connecting the KX3 to the Ameritron AL-80B amplifier using ACC2 port?Tnx & 73, Dennis - WU6X
 		 	   		  

From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Oct  2 09:23:46 2014
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:23:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Monthly Bug Dot Stabilizer info
Message-ID: <em22169821-000b-49b9-b476-59eef9af91a6@hamradio-pc>

Attention CW "Bug" users.  Just a short reminder if you're experiencing 
"scratchy" dot problems due to contact bounce on your bug, I've 
resurrected Ted McElroy's mechanical "Dot Stabilizer" which, when 
installed and properly adjusted, helps eliminate around 90 percent of 
this problem.  Doesn't wear out and gives more positive control than a 
piece of foam inserted in the movable contact. It can be easily 
installed (and removed if you sell the key and want to keep the 
stabilizer for another one).  It works by placing a very small amount of 
tension on the moving dot contact to prevent bounce as the contacts 
separate which is the primary cause of the problem.

I make them for all the popular makes & models currently available and 
also can make them to fit almost any bug if you can provide me with a 
picture of the key and diameter or thickness of the pendulum arm.

Off list contact please to w0eb at cox.net for pricing or further 
information.

Jim - W0EB

From k8ztt at centurylink.net  Thu Oct  2 11:13:53 2014
From: k8ztt at centurylink.net (Dick)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:13:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>

Frank,

Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to
tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are
right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a
nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to engage
split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button
transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just
fine.

Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?   Personally,
I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once,
before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do not
have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB
on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not
exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur.

In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a double
push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.

Dick,  K8ZTT

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank
Westphal
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A

Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A
error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from 
CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split 
having to change from split operation before mode change and then change
back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This is
extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.  
Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a company to
tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy
to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for
this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last
year.

Thanks in advance.

Frank
K6FW

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank
Westphal
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A

Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A
error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from 
CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split 
having to change from split operation before mode change and then change
back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This is
extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.  
Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a company to
tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy
to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for
this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last
year.

Thanks in advance.

Frank
K6FW

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct  2 11:19:02 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Brian Moran via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:19:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542D4C8B.50509@subich.com>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>	<542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>	<1412245971.10889.62.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>	<542D373E.7010501@nexicom.net>
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We used two K3s for a M/2 in last weeks's contest, and did over 2000 Q's; I second the N1MM / FSK recommendation, as there are few variables to manage if I don't have to worry about TX levels. 


Also, it's definitely an opinion, but on the receive side, I personally dislike seeing other ops using ENTERLFs in macros during contests, as it can lead to "chasing the information up the screen" on the receive side. It's possible to click on a call in the MMTTY receive window to get it to enter into the logger using N1MM/MMTTY, which is one of the nice features. With ENTERLF printing, if one clicks a fraction of a second too late, the information has scrolled.  A couple of spaces (double bag!) can do the job of resetting the decoder to letters instead. Don't even get me started on unusual exchanges. A long exchange that's different from everyone else e.g. "PLEASE COPY 5NN CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA BTU" instead of "599 03 CA" isn't doing you any favor.


Don't forget the K3 has a built-in data decoder, for an additional vote on what the other station sent, if MMTTY and 2-Tone aren't enough.


Brian N9ADG



On Thursday, October 2, 2014 6:00 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com> wrote:
 



> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
> good quality.

Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A risk
> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will also
> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3  I
> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>
> David Moes
> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
> dmoes at nexicom.net
> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>
> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>
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From dl2ki at online.de  Thu Oct  2 11:44:38 2014
From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings - another way
In-Reply-To: <0NCR00IK3XAZTP30@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <1412156204590-7593506.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<0NCR00IK3XAZTP30@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <1412264678524-7593551.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

when working with the "DS response string", i found an easier and faster
method to read the values from the equalizer.

If you select an AF-band in the RX/TX EQ menu, the set value appears briefly
in the VFO-B display area.
This value can be read out with the "DB command" then.

The "SWTxx;" command and the "DB;" command must be carried out in quick
succession.

In the 'Elecraft K3 utility", you can for example run a macro"SWT34; DB;"
and then receive the related response string.

This note for general information.

73, Wolfgang
DL2KI






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From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 12:00:31 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:00:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <1412263142.13512.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>	<542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>	<1412245971.10889.62.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>	<542D373E.7010501@nexicom.net>
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I am new to the K3, but started RTTY many years ago.

My preference has always been for FSK keying whenever possible.
I have used Writelog for many years and have found MMTTY to be
preferable to RTTYrite which is the included default.

I also like MMTTY and I also like FSK keying :)

I am awaiting arrival of a K3-Digikeyer cable to test my new K3/10
on RTTY with FSK.  Answered some questions I had, thanks.

On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Brian Moran via Elecraft wrote:
> We used two K3s for a M/2 in last weeks's contest, and did over 2000 Q's; I second the N1MM / FSK recommendation, as there are few variables to manage if I don't have to worry about TX levels. 

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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Oct  2 12:03:21 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 12:03:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
Message-ID: <542d7749.4e2f.b4f74940.1d9654b2@nexicom.net>



 Joe  you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor 
adjustments it will be bad  but I was assuming a good working setup 
with a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the 
computer and K3 that it will be fine.

    I hope that they add the ability to monitor Transmit signal on the 
P3 to see how it looks going out.  however you can see your real 
signal by watching your signal on the many online SDR's, 
http://websdr.org/,  that have waterfall displays in real time.


David Moes
VE3DVY


On Thursday 02/10/2014 at 9:01 am, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:
>
>>
>> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
>> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
>> good quality.
>
> Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
> and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
> ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
> the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
> badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
> as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.
>
> 73,
>
>        ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
>>
>> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
>> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
>> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
>> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A 
>> risk
>> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will 
>> also
>> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
>> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
>> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3  
>> I
>> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>>
>> David Moes
>> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
>> dmoes at nexicom.net
>> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>>
>> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>>>
>>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>>
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From rmbayer62 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 12:18:15 2014
From: rmbayer62 at gmail.com (Robin Bayer)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:18:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542CB917.2050609@embarqmail.com>
References: <542CB339.80804@nexicom.net>
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Message-ID: <CAMzwiXCZjHiwkx+PbjXEPDpeWFsiFSdJY9K=Voc5+CyT9HthJg@mail.gmail.com>

Gents,

I will look at the Fred Cady KX3 manual, but are those AFSK TX filters or
similar filter, applied to the RTTY TX when using HRD, fldigi, N1MM, or for
that matter the KX3 Companion or others by selecting the  AFSK mode on the
KX3?

Rob
KA5QQA


>

From k9von at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct  2 12:18:38 2014
From: k9von at bellsouth.net (Pakulski-K9VON Russ)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 12:18:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help ! ACC2 Module is Keying Amp
Message-ID: <D1431DE2-52A7-454C-BC11-3169751246A6@bellsouth.net>

Hi All,
   I am having trouble with keying my AL-82 with my KX-3 thru my N0XAS UKA-2  keying adapter. The setup has worked for over a year and all of a sudden the KX-3 shows a center to ground on the ACC2 phono all the time.
  I checked the ACC2 settings and I can?t get it out of this grounded setup. I disconnected all cabling on left side , turned it off and on. I see no error messages ?
   Everything is normal with the Ten Tec Orion2 and the N0XAS  UKA-2  adapter as before, so I feel the problem is with the KX-3 sending in the ground.
   Any help with this is appreciated .
73?s Russ K9VON

From pauls at elecraft.com  Thu Oct  2 12:26:32 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 noise blanker
In-Reply-To: <CAC2wZkaFV2eaZUqY2SYfsaB1S=xok=b-uXAUha7PgcoZFAuS_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi John, 

This will be fixed in the next revision of PX3 firmware. 


Kind regards, 

Paul




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From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct  2 12:47:46 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 12:47:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
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> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on
> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY
> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode.

However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B
button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital
and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on
a different band rather than SPLIT N/A.

Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick
Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely
to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart
Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW,
UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote:
> Frank,
>
> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to
> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are
> right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a
> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to engage
> split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button
> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just
> fine.
>
> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?   Personally,
> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once,
> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do not
> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB
> on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not
> exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur.
>
> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a double
> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.
>
> Dick,  K8ZTT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank
> Westphal
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>
> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A
> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
> having to change from split operation before mode change and then change
> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This is
> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a company to
> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy
> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for
> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last
> year.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Frank
> K6FW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank
> Westphal
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>
> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A
> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
> having to change from split operation before mode change and then change
> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This is
> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a company to
> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy
> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for
> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last
> year.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Frank
> K6FW
>
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct  2 12:56:06 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 12:56:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY   DATA-A or FSK
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On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:>
 >
> Joe you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
> adjustments it will be bad but I was assuming a good working setup
> with a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the
> computer and K3 that it will be fine.

Unfortunately, that is not a good assumption.  Even the best of
stations with *professional* operators and maintenance can have
adjustment problems or equipment failures (I've documented such
even at W1AW in the last couple years).  When you add in the
relative inexperience of someone new at sound card based digital
modes, conditions become very bad very quickly and I can provide
example after example of maladjusted rigs, improperly operating
home brew interfaces, etc.

At least, by placing a narrow filter in the transmit audio path,
the K3 prevents the greatest number of those errors.  Other rigs
with no monitor, no audio controls, ineffective ALC, and no audio
filtering become QRM generators if one looks at them cross-eyed.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>
>
> Joe  you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
> adjustments it will be bad  but I was assuming a good working setup with
> a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the computer and
> K3 that it will be fine.
>
>     I hope that they add the ability to monitor Transmit signal on the
> P3 to see how it looks going out.  however you can see your real signal
> by watching your signal on the many online SDR's, http://websdr.org/,
> that have waterfall displays in real time.
>
>
> David Moes
> VE3DVY
>
>
> On Thursday 02/10/2014 at 9:01 am, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
>>> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
>>> good quality.
>>
>> Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
>> and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
>> ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
>> the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
>> badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
>> as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
>>>
>>> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
>>> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
>>> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
>>> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A risk
>>> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will also
>>> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
>>> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
>>> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3 I
>>> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>>>
>>> David Moes
>>> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
>>> dmoes at nexicom.net
>>> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>>>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Oct  2 13:04:51 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu,  2 Oct 2014 10:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-FA38FF2A4E8643E79FE867F17E9B48BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I must say, push-push-hold is a reflex for me whenever working 
split, SSB/RTTY/CW. My only problem is pressing the wrong button 
-- V->M instead of A->B. HIHI It overwrites one of the memories. 
This error comes from having my computer and P3SVGA screens at 
right angles to the K3. Sometimes i'm pushing buttons by feel, 
especially if it has gotten dark and I haven't turned on a light.

One question though, does anyone work cross-band split? I heard 
a W1AW portable operator enforce his "DX only" by listening for 
SSB in the middle of the US CW/data-only portion of the band. 
Going cross band might also have obscure uses.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/2/14 at 8:13 AM, k8ztt at centurylink.net (Dick) wrote:

>Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to
>tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are
>right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a
>nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to engage
>split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button
>transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just
>fine.

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From wa7u77 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 13:18:34 2014
From: wa7u77 at gmail.com (T Gahagan)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:18:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale, P3 with SVGA
Message-ID: <D89EF9AB4FA2455FBDFD3516C02EC1B3@XPS1340>

Hello List members,

I have for sale a factory built P3 High Performance Panadapter with factory installed P3SVGA option, all in mint condition.  The serial number is #3153 and was purchased at the Visalia DX convention this year.  I no longer have the original packing box.  It is excess to my needs as my plans for a second K line station have changed.  

The price is $850.00 plus USPS insured priority shipping within the continental US.  Payment via paypal please.

If interested please contact me off list at wa7u at arrl.net and I will respond in the order queries are received.

73,  Todd
WA7U

From rmbayer62 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 13:37:33 2014
From: rmbayer62 at gmail.com (Robin Bayer)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 12:37:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY DATA-A or FSK
In-Reply-To: <542D83A6.3010208@subich.com>
References: <542d7749.4e2f.b4f74940.1d9654b2@nexicom.net>
	<542D83A6.3010208@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzwiXDwEji-xa9aUnKaFT5i-b1Cvi825Z7xygU1NjJ0U0pw+w@mail.gmail.com>

Excuse me while I learn what questions to ask,

Wondering if there is a logging and more program that will allow use of
 CW and the PSK D and FSK D modes of my KX3 in a more complete application
than the KX3 utility terminal?

Secondly...how do you tune in stations using PSK D and FSK D? I find it
very difficuly especially with other psk and rtty stations nearby.
I haven't gotten NAP3 or the KX3Companion to tune correctly as yet except
for SSB and CW wher they do a fine job.

Rob
KA5QQA

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:>
> >
>
>> Joe you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
>> adjustments it will be bad but I was assuming a good working setup
>> with a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the
>> computer and K3 that it will be fine.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, that is not a good assumption.  Even the best of
> stations with *professional* operators and maintenance can have
> adjustment problems or equipment failures (I've documented such
> even at W1AW in the last couple years).  When you add in the
> relative inexperience of someone new at sound card based digital
> modes, conditions become very bad very quickly and I can provide
> example after example of maladjusted rigs, improperly operating
> home brew interfaces, etc.
>
> At least, by placing a narrow filter in the transmit audio path,
> the K3 prevents the greatest number of those errors.  Other rigs
> with no monitor, no audio controls, ineffective ALC, and no audio
> filtering become QRM generators if one looks at them cross-eyed.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Joe  you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
>> adjustments it will be bad  but I was assuming a good working setup with
>> a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the computer and
>> K3 that it will be fine.
>>
>>     I hope that they add the ability to monitor Transmit signal on the
>> P3 to see how it looks going out.  however you can see your real signal
>> by watching your signal on the many online SDR's, http://websdr.org/,
>> that have waterfall displays in real time.
>>
>>
>> David Moes
>> VE3DVY
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 02/10/2014 at 9:01 am, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
>>>> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
>>>> good quality.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
>>> and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
>>> ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
>>> the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
>>> badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
>>> as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
>>>> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
>>>> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
>>>> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A risk
>>>> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will also
>>>> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
>>>> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
>>>> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3 I
>>>> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>>>>
>>>> David Moes
>>>> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
>>>> dmoes at nexicom.net
>>>> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>>>>
>>>> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>>>>>
>>>>
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From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 13:57:25 2014
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:57:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings - another way
In-Reply-To: <1412264678524-7593551.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1412156204590-7593506.post@n2.nabble.com>	<0NCR00IK3XAZTP30@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>
	<1412264678524-7593551.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <542D9205.3040609@gmail.com>

Cool idea Wolfgang, it works well for the KX3 too. Thanks.

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
http://www.mitchelson.org/

On 10/2/2014 11:44, dl2ki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when working with the "DS response string", i found an easier and faster
> method to read the values from the equalizer.
>
> If you select an AF-band in the RX/TX EQ menu, the set value appears briefly
> in the VFO-B display area.
> This value can be read out with the "DB command" then.
>
> The "SWTxx;" command and the "DB;" command must be carried out in quick
> succession.
>
> In the 'Elecraft K3 utility", you can for example run a macro"SWT34; DB;"
> and then receive the related response string.
>
> This note for general information.
>
> 73, Wolfgang
> DL2KI
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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From n4zr at contesting.com  Thu Oct  2 14:58:17 2014
From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:58:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Message-ID: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>

I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but 
when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the 
VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower.  I presume it may be going 
to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both 
NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode.

-- 

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.


From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 15:13:46 2014
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 01:13:46 +0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK D and FSK D, request for feature
References: <542d7749.4e2f.b4f74940.1d9654b2@nexicom.net><542D83A6.3010208@subich.com>
	<CAMzwiXDwEji-xa9aUnKaFT5i-b1Cvi825Z7xygU1NjJ0U0pw+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0202B9086114D7988B938399F083291@cdcmobile>

I want to Echo Rob's question and wonder if it is possible to implement some 
basic autotune algorithm similar to pressing SPOT button in the following 
situation:
When I call CQ in PSK D and someone comes back to my call slightly off 
frequency, I have to enable RIT and try to manually tune to a signal to get 
it decoded. That is not easy. I would like to see the situation when 
enabling RIT in these two DIGI modes would start autotune algorithm 
automatically.

73, Igor UA9CDC

----- Original Message ----- 

> Excuse me while I learn what questions to ask,
>
> Wondering if there is a logging and more program that will allow use of
> CW and the PSK D and FSK D modes of my KX3 in a more complete application
> than the KX3 utility terminal?
>
> Secondly...how do you tune in stations using PSK D and FSK D? I find it
> very difficuly especially with other psk and rtty stations nearby.
> I haven't gotten NAP3 or the KX3Companion to tune correctly as yet except
> for SSB and CW wher they do a fine job.
>
> Rob
> KA5QQA
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:>
>> >
>>
>>> Joe you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
>>> adjustments it will be bad but I was assuming a good working setup
>>> with a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the
>>> computer and K3 that it will be fine.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, that is not a good assumption.  Even the best of
>> stations with *professional* operators and maintenance can have
>> adjustment problems or equipment failures (I've documented such
>> even at W1AW in the last couple years).  When you add in the
>> relative inexperience of someone new at sound card based digital
>> modes, conditions become very bad very quickly and I can provide
>> example after example of maladjusted rigs, improperly operating
>> home brew interfaces, etc.
>>
>> At least, by placing a narrow filter in the transmit audio path,
>> the K3 prevents the greatest number of those errors.  Other rigs
>> with no monitor, no audio controls, ineffective ALC, and no audio
>> filtering become QRM generators if one looks at them cross-eyed.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe  you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
>>> adjustments it will be bad  but I was assuming a good working setup with
>>> a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the computer and
>>> K3 that it will be fine.
>>>
>>>     I hope that they add the ability to monitor Transmit signal on the
>>> P3 to see how it looks going out.  however you can see your real signal
>>> by watching your signal on the many online SDR's, http://websdr.org/,
>>> that have waterfall displays in real time.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Moes
>>> VE3DVY
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday 02/10/2014 at 9:01 am, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
>>>>> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
>>>>> good quality.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
>>>> and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
>>>> ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
>>>> the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
>>>> badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
>>>> as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
>>>>> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
>>>>> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
>>>>> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A 
>>>>> risk
>>>>> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will 
>>>>> also
>>>>> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
>>>>> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
>>>>> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3 
>>>>> I
>>>>> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>>>>>
>>>>> David Moes
>>>>> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
>>>>> dmoes at nexicom.net
>>>>> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct  2 15:28:15 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:28:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>
References: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <542DA74F.2060202@subich.com>


Pete,

PowerSDR had offset values for DIG_L and DIG_U.  They represented the
MARK frequency (2125 for DIG_L and 2295 for DIG_U).  Are those set
correctly in your installation?

Unlike most rigs - except for Yaesu - which do not allow the dial to
show the true RTTY (RF MARK) frequency in AFSK, the K3 AFSK A shows
the RF MARK for AFSK A (it shows RF SPACE for AFSK A REV).  That means
you may need to do some iteration with the NaP3 DIG_L/DIG_U CAT Offset
and the internal PowerSDR DIG_L and DIG_U offsets.  Unfortunately the
developer of NaP3 folded his tent and disappeared so there is no longer
any authoritative support.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-02 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but
> when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the
> VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower.  I presume it may be going
> to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both
> NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode.
>

From wa7u77 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 15:38:01 2014
From: wa7u77 at gmail.com (T Gahagan)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:38:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale, P3/SVGA
Message-ID: <2675565DA92F4B59B9E1FF5B9C03DC2C@XPS1340>

Thanks for all the inquiries.  The P3/SVGA has been sold.

Todd, WA7U

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct  2 16:13:50 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:13:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK D and FSK D, request for feature
In-Reply-To: <D0202B9086114D7988B938399F083291@cdcmobile>
References: <542d7749.4e2f.b4f74940.1d9654b2@nexicom.net><542D83A6.3010208@subich.com>
	<CAMzwiXDwEji-xa9aUnKaFT5i-b1Cvi825Z7xygU1NjJ0U0pw+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0202B9086114D7988B938399F083291@cdcmobile>
Message-ID: <AA89FD4B-F7B9-4D56-AC74-D5EBCA7C4728@elecraft.com>

Hi Igor,

If RIT is turned on, then Autospot (CW and PSK31) is already applied to the RIT offset, not directly to VFO A. I believe this is what you're asking for?

There is no Autospot for RTTY (FSK-D) at this time. However, if CWT is turned on, then it's pretty easy to tune in an RTTY signal by watching the mark and space deflection on the CWT scale.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



On Oct 2, 2014, at 12:13 PM, "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to Echo Rob's question and wonder if it is possible to implement some basic autotune algorithm similar to pressing SPOT button in the following situation:
> When I call CQ in PSK D and someone comes back to my call slightly off frequency, I have to enable RIT and try to manually tune to a signal to get it decoded. That is not easy. I would like to see the situation when enabling RIT in these two DIGI modes would start autotune algorithm automatically.
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> Excuse me while I learn what questions to ask,
>> 
>> Wondering if there is a logging and more program that will allow use of
>> CW and the PSK D and FSK D modes of my KX3 in a more complete application
>> than the KX3 utility terminal?
>> 
>> Secondly...how do you tune in stations using PSK D and FSK D? I find it
>> very difficuly especially with other psk and rtty stations nearby.
>> I haven't gotten NAP3 or the KX3Companion to tune correctly as yet except
>> for SSB and CW wher they do a fine job.
>> 
>> Rob
>> KA5QQA
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:>
>>> >
>>> 
>>>> Joe you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
>>>> adjustments it will be bad but I was assuming a good working setup
>>>> with a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the
>>>> computer and K3 that it will be fine.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, that is not a good assumption.  Even the best of
>>> stations with *professional* operators and maintenance can have
>>> adjustment problems or equipment failures (I've documented such
>>> even at W1AW in the last couple years).  When you add in the
>>> relative inexperience of someone new at sound card based digital
>>> modes, conditions become very bad very quickly and I can provide
>>> example after example of maladjusted rigs, improperly operating
>>> home brew interfaces, etc.
>>> 
>>> At least, by placing a narrow filter in the transmit audio path,
>>> the K3 prevents the greatest number of those errors.  Other rigs
>>> with no monitor, no audio controls, ineffective ALC, and no audio
>>> filtering become QRM generators if one looks at them cross-eyed.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2014-10-02 12:03 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Joe  you are correct that if there are physical problems and poor
>>>> adjustments it will be bad  but I was assuming a good working setup with
>>>> a quality sound card that is properly adjusted at both the computer and
>>>> K3 that it will be fine.
>>>> 
>>>>    I hope that they add the ability to monitor Transmit signal on the
>>>> P3 to see how it looks going out.  however you can see your real signal
>>>> by watching your signal on the many online SDR's, http://websdr.org/,
>>>> that have waterfall displays in real time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David Moes
>>>> VE3DVY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday 02/10/2014 at 9:01 am, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> risk is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc
>>>>>> will also get transmitted not really a big issue if the sound card is
>>>>>> good quality.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not quite accurate ... one can have a professional quality sound card
>>>>> and if the levels are too high, the connections are not correct, the
>>>>> ground gets opened, one has a significant degree of common mode RF on
>>>>> the feedline, one has power supply issues, etc. DATA_A can be very
>>>>> badly distorted/wide.  AFSK A is not subject to those issues as long
>>>>> as the narrow filter (CONFIG: AFSK TX) is enabled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> 
>>>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2014-10-02 7:30 AM, david Moes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With AFSK-A  the K3  has very a narrow DSP filter to maintain a really
>>>>>> good transmit IMD  so you need to keep the modulating frequencies
>>>>>> within  the chosen preset filter range  1275 in my setup.  You can use
>>>>>> the waterfall to tune but you need to use DATA-A instead of AFSK-A risk
>>>>>> is any off frequency noise from the sound card, harmonics etc will also
>>>>>> get transmitted   not really a big issue if the sound card is good
>>>>>> quality.   I found that with the P3 the markers lined up with the mark
>>>>>> frequency  so tuning with the VFO was quite convenient without the P3 I
>>>>>> may have been more tempted to use Data-A and tuning with the mouse
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Moes
>>>>>> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
>>>>>> dmoes at nexicom.net
>>>>>> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/2/2014 06:32, David Cole wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why only tune the radio, and not use the Waterfall?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Thu Oct  2 16:49:58 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:49:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>
References: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <542DBA76.5050005@comcast.net>

Peter,
     I suggest that you probably don't want to go that route. What I 
would suggest is that you use some digital mode software behind the K3, 
something like FLDIGI, or your favorite application. You will see the 
stream of data on its waterfall and you would use that for final tuning. 
It also gives you the opportunity to use macros fairly easily. I do this 
with my KX3 with PSK31 from time to time and discovered this way through 
trial and error. It layers one additional on, but it appears to be a 
more convenient way to operate.

     If you are using HRD, you can use DM780 and have integral logging.

     However, with NaP3 there is a way to calibrate your operation. Go 
into configuration/rig and play with the IF offsets by mode. You should 
be able to fix your problem, but I really recommend my original 
suggestion. Best of Luck.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 10/2/2014 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but 
> when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the 
> VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower.  I presume it may be 
> going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark 
> frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode.
>


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Thu Oct  2 19:41:19 2014
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 19:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
Message-ID: <tpinkyybba4q901cgs6do76g.1412293242257@email.android.com>

Finally got around to installing this in my K3.
There seems to be a large difference in output power vs input power when transitioning across the 146.000 threshold. ?
Below 146, 0.5mW drive gives 6 out. Above 146 it only gives 2 out. And swr does not change. Ideas?

Harlan
NC3C


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

From sid at leben.com  Thu Oct  2 21:08:54 2014
From: sid at leben.com (Sid Leben)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 & Pigknob
Message-ID: <D0536156.B66C%sid@leben.com>

Just finished the PX3 (kit) and it works like a charm.   Now comes the question.
I had a Pigknob attached to the ?Acc 1? port.  Now the Acc1 port is connected between the KX3 & PX3.

Can I ?Y? the connection into the PX3, (From KX3 & Pigknob), or some other way.   If I had to chose, of course it?s the PX3 that wins?
Sid
KC2EE

From nwgarner at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 21:35:40 2014
From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:35:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 & Pigknob
In-Reply-To: <D0536156.B66C%sid@leben.com>
References: <D0536156.B66C%sid@leben.com>
Message-ID: <CADYUFZP_cyQ3YSQDk+NMW9qC8WeNJ5fc=em=fVAUG8KiV+59=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sid,
You can daisy chain them, similar to the KXPA100. Connect the knob to the
PX3 ACC1 PC port. Then the PX3 ACC1 XCVR port to the KX3 ACC1 port.

73,
Nick
N3WG
On Oct 2, 2014 6:09 PM, "Sid Leben" <sid at leben.com> wrote:

> Just finished the PX3 (kit) and it works like a charm.   Now comes the
> question.
> I had a Pigknob attached to the ?Acc 1? port.  Now the Acc1 port is
> connected between the KX3 & PX3.
>
> Can I ?Y? the connection into the PX3, (From KX3 & Pigknob), or some other
> way.   If I had to chose, of course it?s the PX3 that wins?
> Sid
> KC2EE
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Oct  2 21:46:54 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 21:46:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Eqalizer settings - another way
Message-ID: <0NCU0013KIA7GJA0@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>

H
Yes that will work too as long as you run it stand alone. Injecting that command set during polling in a multithreaded? app, needs careful checking to ensure that the right response occurs. Timing is a issue here. 
73's Tom

On Oct 2, 2014 11:44 AM, dl2ki <dl2ki at online.de> wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> when working with the "DS response string", i found an easier and faster 
> method to read the values from the equalizer. 
>
> If you select an AF-band in the RX/TX EQ menu, the set value appears briefly 
> in the VFO-B display area. 
> This value can be read out with the "DB command" then. 
>
> The "SWTxx;" command and the "DB;" command must be carried out in quick 
> succession. 
>
> In the 'Elecraft K3 utility", you can for example run a macro"SWT34; DB;" 
> and then receive the related response string. 
>
> This note for general information. 
>
> 73, Wolfgang 
> DL2KI 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 04:11:48 2014
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:11:48 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
Message-ID: <000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>

The reason for programming a default "smart split" is to move the TX VFO
*away* from the frequency of the DX station. "How far to move?" is a
secondary issue.

No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but
anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split
for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very
acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is
only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't
hugely important. 

The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be
zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user
double-presses A>B to escape from the "SPLIT N/A" situation, it brings
both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away
from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. 

Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection
against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has
become an industry standard. With one notable exception.
 

73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Joe
>Subich, W4TV
>Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>
>
>> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on
>> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY
>> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode.
>
>However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B
>button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital
>and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on
>a different band rather than SPLIT N/A.
>
>Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick
>Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely
>to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart
>Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW,
>UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band.
>
>73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote:
>> Frank,
>>
>> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and
to
>> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you
are
>> right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I
have a
>> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to
>engage
>> split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT
button
>> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works
just
>> fine.
>>
>> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?
>Personally,
>> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split
once,
>> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do
not
>> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and
>CW/SSB
>> on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is
not
>> exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does
>occur.
>>
>> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a
double
>> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.
>>
>> Dick,  K8ZTT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Frank
>> Westphal
>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>
>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
Split
>N/A
>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>change
>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
is
>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
company
>to
>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
product
>easy
>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
fix for
>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
the
>last
>> year.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Frank
>> K6FW
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Frank
>> Westphal
>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>
>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
Split
>N/A
>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>change
>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
is
>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
company
>to
>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
product
>easy
>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
fix for
>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
the
>last
>> year.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Frank
>> K6FW



From G0ORH at sky.com  Fri Oct  3 05:24:43 2014
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:24:43 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>
	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net> <542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>

I'll agree with that Ian, set it a 3KHz, then let the user define his own split offset once split is activated.


Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad


> On 3 Oct 2014, at 09:11, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The reason for programming a default "smart split" is to move the TX VFO
> *away* from the frequency of the DX station. "How far to move?" is a
> secondary issue.
> 
> No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but
> anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split
> for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very
> acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is
> only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't
> hugely important. 
> 
> The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be
> zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user
> double-presses A>B to escape from the "SPLIT N/A" situation, it brings
> both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away
> from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. 
> 
> Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection
> against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has
> become an industry standard. With one notable exception.
> 
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Joe
>> Subich, W4TV
>> Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>> 
>> 
>>> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on
>>> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY
>>> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode.
>> 
>> However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B
>> button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital
>> and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on
>> a different band rather than SPLIT N/A.
>> 
>> Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick
>> Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely
>> to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart
>> Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW,
>> UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote:
>>> Frank,
>>> 
>>> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and
> to
>>> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you
> are
>>> right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I
> have a
>>> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to
>> engage
>>> split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT
> button
>>> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works
> just
>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?
>> Personally,
>>> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split
> once,
>>> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do
> not
>>> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and
>> CW/SSB
>>> on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is
> not
>>> exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does
>> occur.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a
> double
>>> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.
>>> 
>>> Dick,  K8ZTT
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Frank
>>> Westphal
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>> 
>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
> Split
>> N/A
>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>> change
>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
> is
>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
> company
>> to
>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
> product
>> easy
>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
> fix for
>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
> the
>> last
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Frank
>>> Westphal
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>> 
>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
> Split
>> N/A
>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>> change
>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
> is
>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
> company
>> to
>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
> product
>> easy
>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
> fix for
>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
> the
>> last
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
> 
> 
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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 07:46:43 2014
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 06:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
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	<D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>
Message-ID: <542E8CA3.7050705@gmail.com>

Pushing the button twice is so stressful??!! .......FYI there is a PSK 
application that will wait expectantly for some one to call you, answer 
the call automatically, and transfer the message you had for the calling 
station.  I do not believe it completes the log entry however.  :-))

Jim, W4ATK
61 years of amateur radio and still having fun!



From dmoes at nexicom.net  Fri Oct  3 08:06:43 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:06:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>
	<D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>
Message-ID: <542E9153.2030207@nexicom.net>

Im not sure I would like this at all.  sometimes I think that 
fool-proofing a rig is the wrong way to go as it take the ownership away 
from the operator to pay attention to what they are doing and panders to 
the shall I say the bad drivers.  if I am working split I make it habbit 
to set offset      where I make the most mistakes  is when I set the 
offset and forget to enable split. or worse  make the contact move on to 
a station working simplex and forget that I am in split.   and its 
really not that embarrassing and most figure it out in a call or so.  
those that don't aren't paying enough attention.  In most cases when 
someone makes this error its often the Up cops that are worse QRM than 
the original offender.  Thats when I get frustrated.

If this must be done however make the offset mode specific it 
automatically 1khz in cw and 3 in ssb.  but I dont see a great need.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/3/2014 05:24, Ken Chandler wrote:
> I'll agree with that Ian, set it a 3KHz, then let the user define his own split offset once split is activated.
>
>
> Ken.. G0ORH
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>> On 3 Oct 2014, at 09:11, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The reason for programming a default "smart split" is to move the TX VFO
>> *away* from the frequency of the DX station. "How far to move?" is a
>> secondary issue.
>>
>> No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but
>> anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split
>> for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very
>> acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is
>> only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't
>> hugely important.
>>
>> The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be
>> zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user
>> double-presses A>B to escape from the "SPLIT N/A" situation, it brings
>> both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away
>> from accidentally calling on top of the DX station.
>>
>> Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection
>> against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has
>> become an industry standard. With one notable exception.
>>
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Joe
>>> Subich, W4TV
>>> Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>>
>>>
>>>> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on
>>>> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY
>>>> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode.
>>> However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B
>>> button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital
>>> and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on
>>> a different band rather than SPLIT N/A.
>>>
>>> Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick
>>> Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely
>>> to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart
>>> Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW,
>>> UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote:
>>>> Frank,
>>>>
>>>> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and
>> to
>>>> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you
>> are
>>>> right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I
>> have a
>>>> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to
>>> engage
>>>> split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT
>> button
>>>> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works
>> just
>>>> fine.
>>>>
>>>> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?
>>> Personally,
>>>> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split
>> once,
>>>> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do
>> not
>>>> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and
>>> CW/SSB
>>>> on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is
>> not
>>>> exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does
>>> occur.
>>>> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a
>> double
>>>> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.
>>>>
>>>> Dick,  K8ZTT
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Frank
>>>> Westphal
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>>>
>>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
>> Split
>>> N/A
>>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>>> change
>>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
>> is
>>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
>> company
>>> to
>>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
>> product
>>> easy
>>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
>> fix for
>>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
>> the
>>> last
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> K6FW
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Frank
>>>> Westphal
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>>>
>>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
>> Split
>>> N/A
>>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>>> change
>>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
>> is
>>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
>> company
>>> to
>>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
>> product
>>> easy
>>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
>> fix for
>>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
>> the
>>> last
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> K6FW
>>
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Oct  3 08:38:03 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <542E98AB.70405@subich.com>


> Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better
> protection against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why
> Smart Split has become an industry standard. With one notable
> exception.

If you are going to do a "Smart Split" it needs *its own control.*
I *DO NOT* want the Split button to change the frequency of VFO B.
That can cause big issues when toggling in and out of split.

Frankly, it is up to the operator to make sure where he transmits.
There is altogether too much nanny mentality - it's time *PEOPLE*
take personal responsibility for their actions rather than expect
some one or some thing to fix their mistakes.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-03 4:11 AM, Ian White wrote:
> The reason for programming a default "smart split" is to move the TX VFO
> *away* from the frequency of the DX station. "How far to move?" is a
> secondary issue.
>
> No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but
> anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split
> for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very
> acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is
> only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't
> hugely important.
>
> The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be
> zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user
> double-presses A>B to escape from the "SPLIT N/A" situation, it brings
> both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away
> from accidentally calling on top of the DX station.
>
> Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection
> against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has
> become an industry standard. With one notable exception.
>
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Joe
>> Subich, W4TV
>> Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>
>>
>>> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on
>>> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY
>>> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode.
>>
>> However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B
>> button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital
>> and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on
>> a different band rather than SPLIT N/A.
>>
>> Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick
>> Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely
>> to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart
>> Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW,
>> UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote:
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and
> to
>>> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you
> are
>>> right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I
> have a
>>> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to
>> engage
>>> split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT
> button
>>> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works
> just
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?
>> Personally,
>>> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split
> once,
>>> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do
> not
>>> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and
>> CW/SSB
>>> on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is
> not
>>> exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does
>> occur.
>>>
>>> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a
> double
>>> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.
>>>
>>> Dick,  K8ZTT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Frank
>>> Westphal
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>>
>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
> Split
>> N/A
>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>> change
>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
> is
>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
> company
>> to
>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
> product
>> easy
>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
> fix for
>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
> the
>> last
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Frank
>>> Westphal
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>>
>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
> Split
>> N/A
>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>> change
>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
> is
>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
> company
>> to
>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
> product
>> easy
>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
> fix for
>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
> the
>> last
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
>
>
>

From n4zr at contesting.com  Fri Oct  3 08:49:25 2014
From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:49:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>
References: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <542E9B55.3010206@contesting.com>

I just confirmed that offsets in the latest NaP3 setup menu have no 
effect when in AFSK A.  As someone reported, either here or elsewhere, 
this is apparently a bug in NaP3, and since NaP3 is no longer supported 
I'll have to find another solution.  Too bad - it was *so* close to perfect.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

On 10/2/2014 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but 
> when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the 
> VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower.  I presume it may be 
> going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark 
> frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode.
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct  3 09:43:34 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark N2QT via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:43:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CR/LF, SP, or something better for RTTY
References: <D0618EF4-C76D-4D41-908F-784433CBDC15@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30D05EF8-8C3F-4C3E-BF10-B7867644EE04@yahoo.com>

After the discussion here and on the RTTY reflector  I checked with AA5AU and W0YK (aka P49X)
 as they are the go to guys for anything related to rtty contesting. Here's what they said:

AA5AU  CR/LF before and space after
W0YK   CR/LF before and space after  (there are some building block macros that don't have
            the leading CR/LF as they need to seemlessly stack)

VE3NEA, who is the author of RTTYSKimmer came up with another possibility with a dynamic
way of freezing the data input window based on the mouse movement.  He has a demo of this 
approach as well as its source code.  This program simulates an RTTY client program that prints 
received characters and allows you to click on the words in the scrolling window.  To see this in
action, please download the freezer demo from

(http://www.dxatlas.com/private/freezer.zip)

extract Freezer.exe from the zip file, and play with it. While it doesn't have real callsigns you can
quickly get the sense of how it operates.

If this gets picked up by the various contest logging programs, it is maybe a way to make the
discussion of cr/lf moot. 

Mark n2qt


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct  3 11:04:19 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 08:04:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 (or KX3) Macros for custom SPLIT functions
In-Reply-To: <542E98AB.70405@subich.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk> <542E98AB.70405@subich.com>
Message-ID: <A4A34049-3A07-4EB7-AC2B-B8B8DF138238@elecraft.com>

For those who may have missed this when I first described it--

* * *

In a recent discussion about SPLIT, many proposals were made (too  
many :)  Others argued for no change.

With this in mind, we've created a new "switch macro" feature. It  
allows you to create your own variation on SPLIT -- or any other radio  
function -- and execute it with a single switch press. In effect,  
you'll be creating your own custom firmware for the K3 that automates  
control sequences you use most.

Example #1 (SPLIT+2):

   A>B
   A>B
   SPLIT
   VFO B up 2
   RIT and XIT off

Example #2 (WEAKSIG):

   Sub ON
   Diversity mode
   main/sub preamps on
   200-Hz bandwidth
   center passband

Many other combinations are possible, limited only by the K3's remote- 
control command set and the macro length limit (presently 56 bytes).  
You'll be able to set VFO frequencies or RIT/XIT offsets, adjust gain  
or filter controls, and virtually "tap" or "hold" nearly any control  
on the radio.

First, you enter a sequence of K3 control commands into one or more  
macros using K3 Utility, which can store them in the K3's EEPROM.  
Next, you assign the macros to any of the K3's 10 programmable  
function switches (PF1, PF2, M1-M4 tap, or M1-M4 hold) using the new  
MACRO menu entry.

After that, activating the switch will perform the desired functions,  
and the name of the macro will flash on VFO B as a reminder (e.g.,  
"SPLIT+2").

* * *

Many K3 (and KX3) owners are using such macros to obtain exactly the splits that they prefer.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




From nw8l at SDF.ORG  Fri Oct  3 11:30:06 2014
From: nw8l at SDF.ORG (Bob)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:30:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Need volunteers to try an even better version of
 KAT500 firmware (rev. 1.63) -- more accurate initial tunes
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.02.1402270628550.1129@sdf.lonestar.org>
References: <AD8FD2A2-5EE8-4554-AAE2-FAC29939D5B9@elecraft.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.02.1402270628550.1129@sdf.lonestar.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.02.1410031525120.28751@faeroes.freeshell.org>

Hello,

It's been a while since we've seen firmware updates for the K line -- is 
there any chance that the RIT bug described below will be fixed this year?

Thanks,

Bob NW8L

On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Bob wrote:

> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:02:55 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Bob <nw8l at SDF.ORG>
> To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>     "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need volunteers to try an even better version of
>     KAT500 firmware (rev. 1.63) -- more accurate initial tunes
> 
>
> I updated to KAT500 1.63 and latest KPA500 and K3 firmware. I like the way 
> the KAT500 follows the VFO on the K3 but I noticed something odd when the VFO 
> is set near a boundary between two KAT500 stored band slice memories.
>
> When RIT is enabled, the KAT500 follows the frequency set by the RIT offset. 
> That is, I hear the relays click after crossing the memory boundary using RIT 
> and stopping on a new listening frequency. If I press CLR to reset the RIT 
> offset, the relays click again as the KAT500 follows
> the VFO back to the original frequency and recalls the settings for that band 
> slice.
>
> However, When XIT is enabled, the KAT500 does not follow the frequency set by 
> the XIT offset. That is, I hear no relay clicking after crossing the boundary 
> using XIT and stopping on a new transmit frequency in the adjacent band 
> slice, for which different settings are normally recalled.
>
> Shouldn't it be the other way around, to optimize the match for the 
> transmitter, not the receiver?
>
> It's late, maybe I'm missing something.
>
> Bob NW8L
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:31:16 -0800
>> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>     "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Need volunteers to try an even better version of KAT500
>>     firmware (rev. 1.63) -- more accurate initial tunes
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We just posted a new beta-test release of KAT500 firmware (rev 1.63) that 
>> does a better job on initial tunes than the previous release (1.58). We'd 
>> really like to get this firmware into production quickly, but to do that 
>> we'll need some testing help.
>> 
>> If you can spare a few minutes, please do the following:
>> 
>> 1)  Save your current configuration so that you can return to it if 
>> necessary
>> 
>> 2)  Install KAT500 rev. 1.63 (follow instructions for beta releases)
>> 
>> 3)  Erase memories on at least one band where the tuner has to work to find 
>> solutions (that?s 160 through 40 meters for most of us)
>> 
>> 4)  Do some full-search tunes.
>> 
>> The KAT500 should find very good tuning solutions (within its specified 
>> impedance-matching limits, of course). Please send me your results.
>> 
>> Thanks--
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct  3 11:34:08 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 08:34:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Need volunteers to try an even better version of
	KAT500 firmware (rev. 1.63) -- more accurate initial tunes
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.02.1410031525120.28751@faeroes.freeshell.org>
References: <AD8FD2A2-5EE8-4554-AAE2-FAC29939D5B9@elecraft.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.02.1402270628550.1129@sdf.lonestar.org>
	<alpine.NEB.2.02.1410031525120.28751@faeroes.freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <F6CE434F-FACA-452C-9CE5-7C85755149AA@elecraft.com>

This is definitely high on my list, Bob. Thanks--

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Bob <nw8l at SDF.ORG> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> It's been a while since we've seen firmware updates for the K line -- is there any chance that the RIT bug described below will be fixed this year?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob NW8L
> 
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Bob wrote:
> 
>> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:02:55 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Bob <nw8l at SDF.ORG>
>> To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>    "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need volunteers to try an even better version of
>>    KAT500 firmware (rev. 1.63) -- more accurate initial tunes
>> 
>> I updated to KAT500 1.63 and latest KPA500 and K3 firmware. I like the way the KAT500 follows the VFO on the K3 but I noticed something odd when the VFO is set near a boundary between two KAT500 stored band slice memories.
>> 
>> When RIT is enabled, the KAT500 follows the frequency set by the RIT offset. That is, I hear the relays click after crossing the memory boundary using RIT and stopping on a new listening frequency. If I press CLR to reset the RIT offset, the relays click again as the KAT500 follows
>> the VFO back to the original frequency and recalls the settings for that band slice.
>> 
>> However, When XIT is enabled, the KAT500 does not follow the frequency set by the XIT offset. That is, I hear no relay clicking after crossing the boundary using XIT and stopping on a new transmit frequency in the adjacent band slice, for which different settings are normally recalled.
>> 
>> Shouldn't it be the other way around, to optimize the match for the transmitter, not the receiver?
>> 
>> It's late, maybe I'm missing something.
>> 
>> Bob NW8L
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:31:16 -0800
>>> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>>    "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com>
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Need volunteers to try an even better version of KAT500
>>>    firmware (rev. 1.63) -- more accurate initial tunes
>>> Hi all,
>>> We just posted a new beta-test release of KAT500 firmware (rev 1.63) that does a better job on initial tunes than the previous release (1.58). We'd really like to get this firmware into production quickly, but to do that we'll need some testing help.
>>> If you can spare a few minutes, please do the following:
>>> 1)  Save your current configuration so that you can return to it if necessary
>>> 2)  Install KAT500 rev. 1.63 (follow instructions for beta releases)
>>> 3)  Erase memories on at least one band where the tuner has to work to find solutions (that?s 160 through 40 meters for most of us)
>>> 4)  Do some full-search tunes.
>>> The KAT500 should find very good tuning solutions (within its specified impedance-matching limits, of course). Please send me your results.
>>> Thanks--
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
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>> nw8l at sdf.org
>> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org
>> 
> 
> nw8l at sdf.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct  3 11:54:01 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 08:54:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Text Decode is ready for testing
Message-ID: <050C0BAC-36D1-4FE1-9C14-CF224ECD7FD0@elecraft.com>

If you have a PX3 and KX3 and would like to try the PX3's new text display feature, please email me directly.

Here's how it works: 

- The PX3's LABEL switch (hold of MENU) now has three settings: Normal (no labels or text), FN labels, or text decode. 

- When text decode is selected, two lines of scrolling text can be shown at the bottom of the screen. Text decode must be turned on at the KX3 and properly adjusted (applies to CW, FSK-D, PSK-D modes). 

- Decoded text is displayed in white. When you transmit, via either the KX3's stored message memories or a keyer paddle, your transmitted text is displayed in green. Total number of characters per line is either 42 (large font) or 65 (small font).

We plan to add a USB keyboard interface later this year.

Wayne
N6KR


From jim at n7us.net  Fri Oct  3 12:16:42 2014
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 (or KX3) Macros for custom SPLIT functions
In-Reply-To: <A4A34049-3A07-4EB7-AC2B-B8B8DF138238@elecraft.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>
	<542E98AB.70405@subich.com>
	<A4A34049-3A07-4EB7-AC2B-B8B8DF138238@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <007a01cfdf25$6bfc8910$43f59b30$@net>

If you use DXLab's Commander radio control module, you can create
user-defined controls that don't have the length limitation of the K3.
However, the program already has the capability to do splits of plus or
minus 1, 2, 5, or 10 kHz with a mouse click.

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/ and click on the Xcvr_Control tab.

73, Jim N7US



-----Original Message-----


For those who may have missed this when I first described it--

* * *

In a recent discussion about SPLIT, many proposals were made (too many :)
Others argued for no change.

With this in mind, we've created a new "switch macro" feature. It allows you
to create your own variation on SPLIT -- or any other radio function -- and
execute it with a single switch press. In effect, you'll be creating your
own custom firmware for the K3 that automates control sequences you use
most.

Example #1 (SPLIT+2):

   A>B
   A>B
   SPLIT
   VFO B up 2
   RIT and XIT off

Example #2 (WEAKSIG):

   Sub ON
   Diversity mode
   main/sub preamps on
   200-Hz bandwidth
   center passband

Many other combinations are possible, limited only by the K3's remote-
control command set and the macro length limit (presently 56 bytes).  
You'll be able to set VFO frequencies or RIT/XIT offsets, adjust gain or
filter controls, and virtually "tap" or "hold" nearly any control on the
radio.

First, you enter a sequence of K3 control commands into one or more macros
using K3 Utility, which can store them in the K3's EEPROM.  
Next, you assign the macros to any of the K3's 10 programmable function
switches (PF1, PF2, M1-M4 tap, or M1-M4 hold) using the new MACRO menu
entry.

After that, activating the switch will perform the desired functions, and
the name of the macro will flash on VFO B as a reminder (e.g., "SPLIT+2").

* * *

Many K3 (and KX3) owners are using such macros to obtain exactly the splits
that they prefer.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Oct  3 12:18:01 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:18:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <542E9B55.3010206@contesting.com>
References: <542DA049.8000009@contesting.com> <542E9B55.3010206@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <542ECC39.3060808@comcast.net>

Pete,
     I guess I don't understand. I use NaP3 and PSK31 without a problem. 
I may not understand how you are configured. I use either DM780 or 
FLDIGI and spot my signals on that and click in that window for a 
signal. I do not use NaP3 or the KX3 for demodulation or decoding of any 
of my digital signals. I think most of us are doing this. I, therefore, 
do not have a problem.

     Another issue I sense in this thread is possibly going to cause 
some real problems. The tuning issue is not simple. The offsets will be 
different for differing digital signals. One signal may want a 1200 Hz 
offset while another may want 1800 Hz, etc.  A single Data A offset 
wouldn't work; it would need to b signal specific. I don't consider this 
a bug in either NaP3 or the KX3. It's just the nature of the various 
signals we play with. Here is a site the shows  a configuration that 
will work:


https://sdrzone.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=92:kx3-sdr-review&catid=20:mosaics&Itemid=572

73,
Barry
K3NDM


On 10/3/2014 8:49 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> I just confirmed that offsets in the latest NaP3 setup menu have no 
> effect when in AFSK A.  As someone reported, either here or elsewhere, 
> this is apparently a bug in NaP3, and since NaP3 is no longer 
> supported I'll have to find another solution.  Too bad - it was *so* 
> close to perfect.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> http://reversebeacon.net,
> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
> For spots, please go to your favorite
> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>
> On 10/2/2014 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
>> I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but 
>> when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the 
>> VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower.  I presume it may be 
>> going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark 
>> frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode.
>>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Oct  3 12:43:00 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 (or KX3) Macros for custom SPLIT functions
In-Reply-To: <A4A34049-3A07-4EB7-AC2B-B8B8DF138238@elecraft.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk> <542E98AB.70405@subich.com>
	<A4A34049-3A07-4EB7-AC2B-B8B8DF138238@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <542ED214.5000902@subich.com>


That doesn't address the issue of resetting the VFO B mode when
pressing split (or when an external program commands split) if the
modes are different e.g., SSB vs. DATA or CW vs. DATA or the VFOs
are on different bands (VFO IND = YES).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-03 11:04 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> For those who may have missed this when I first described it--
>
> * * *
>
> In a recent discussion about SPLIT, many proposals were made (too
> many :)  Others argued for no change.
>
> With this in mind, we've created a new "switch macro" feature. It
> allows you to create your own variation on SPLIT -- or any other radio
> function -- and execute it with a single switch press. In effect,
> you'll be creating your own custom firmware for the K3 that automates
> control sequences you use most.
>
> Example #1 (SPLIT+2):
>
>     A>B
>     A>B
>     SPLIT
>     VFO B up 2
>     RIT and XIT off
>
> Example #2 (WEAKSIG):
>
>     Sub ON
>     Diversity mode
>     main/sub preamps on
>     200-Hz bandwidth
>     center passband
>
> Many other combinations are possible, limited only by the K3's remote-
> control command set and the macro length limit (presently 56 bytes).
> You'll be able to set VFO frequencies or RIT/XIT offsets, adjust gain
> or filter controls, and virtually "tap" or "hold" nearly any control
> on the radio.
>
> First, you enter a sequence of K3 control commands into one or more
> macros using K3 Utility, which can store them in the K3's EEPROM.
> Next, you assign the macros to any of the K3's 10 programmable
> function switches (PF1, PF2, M1-M4 tap, or M1-M4 hold) using the new
> MACRO menu entry.
>
> After that, activating the switch will perform the desired functions,
> and the name of the macro will flash on VFO B as a reminder (e.g.,
> "SPLIT+2").
>
> * * *
>
> Many K3 (and KX3) owners are using such macros to obtain exactly the splits that they prefer.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>

From nwgarner at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 12:45:05 2014
From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:45:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 & Pigknob
In-Reply-To: <43F7133E-E672-4B5A-8FAF-FD3C373010C4@leben.com>
References: <D0536156.B66C%sid@leben.com>
	<CADYUFZP_cyQ3YSQDk+NMW9qC8WeNJ5fc=em=fVAUG8KiV+59=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F7133E-E672-4B5A-8FAF-FD3C373010C4@leben.com>
Message-ID: <CADYUFZNvh2frGeQm5fuZUSFN0sup0LJ3dr7aAzYpFZHykreKZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sid,
Thank you for confirming that it works.  I think the second part is a
question for the Elecraft folks.

Elecraft,
If the KX3 is manipulated with the UP/DN commands via the serial port, is
that reflected to the PX3 in the same way that a VFO knob turn on the KX3
does?

73,
Nick
N3WG

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Sid Leben <sid at leben.com> wrote:

> Hi Nick,
> Tnx for quick reply. Yes, when connect the Pigknob to the PX3 Acc1PC port,
> the knob works on the KX3 BFO, but the PX3 does not follow the knob
> rotation. The kx3 BFO changes, but the px3 does not.
> In this configuration, just the kx3 moves px3.
> Sid
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Nick Garner <nwgarner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Sid,
> You can daisy chain them, similar to the KXPA100. Connect the knob to the
> PX3 ACC1 PC port. Then the PX3 ACC1 XCVR port to the KX3 ACC1 port.
>
> 73,
> Nick
> N3WG
> On Oct 2, 2014 6:09 PM, "Sid Leben" <sid at leben.com> wrote:
>
>> Just finished the PX3 (kit) and it works like a charm.   Now comes the
>> question.
>> I had a Pigknob attached to the ?Acc 1? port.  Now the Acc1 port is
>> connected between the KX3 & PX3.
>>
>> Can I ?Y? the connection into the PX3, (From KX3 & Pigknob), or some
>> other way.   If I had to chose, of course it?s the PX3 that wins?
>> Sid
>> KC2EE
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Fri Oct  3 13:21:32 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:21:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 & Pigknob
In-Reply-To: <CADYUFZNvh2frGeQm5fuZUSFN0sup0LJ3dr7aAzYpFZHykreKZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0536156.B66C%sid@leben.com>
	<CADYUFZP_cyQ3YSQDk+NMW9qC8WeNJ5fc=em=fVAUG8KiV+59=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADYUFZNvh2frGeQm5fuZUSFN0sup0LJ3dr7aAzYpFZHykreKZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1412356892243-7593588.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Nick, 

I am trying that now and it looks like the KX3 is not giving the PX3 the new
frequency information.   I'll pass this on to Wayne. 

Thanks for finding it!

Kind regards, 

Paul




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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Oct  3 13:30:03 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 09:30:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
Message-ID: <201410031730.s93HU3dL062379@ingra.acsalaska.net>

Harlan,

I was waiting to see if anyone from Elecraft would respond before 
replying.  I use a different transverter for 2m but the situation is 
the same using the K3.  RF output appears to drop quickly above 
30-MHz when in the transverter mode though receive seems functional 
to 32-MHz enabling receiving the entire 4-MHz 2meter band.

At 146.52 (K3=30.52 MHz) my 50w 2m transverter will only output 8w 
because drive drops to minimum.  This is too low for me to operate in 
the FM repeater sub-band of 2m as all but one repeater are > 65 miles 
from me.  Typically takes 25w to have a full-quieted signal thru 
these repeaters.

 From what I understood in communication with Elecraft this is a 
hardware limitation with no fix.  That is the bad news.

The good news is the KX3 suffers no power drop off over the whole 
2meter band with the new 2M module.  3w drives my "little" RFS 2-23 
amp to 30w which is adequate for my FM needs.

If I need more power the 30w drives my RFC 2-317 to 150w, and if that 
is not enough 55w out of the RFC 2-317 will drive my 8877 to 
1400w.  Of course I do not use the 8877 with repeaters else they 
"melt down" :-)  I usually run my K3 with the 8877 via the 50w 
transverter for ms/eme.

73, Ed - KL7UW

-----------------------
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
Message-ID: <tpinkyybba4q901cgs6do76g.1412293242257 at email.android.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Finally got around to installing this in my K3.
There seems to be a large difference in output power vs input power 
when transitioning across the 146.000 threshold. ?
Below 146, 0.5mW drive gives 6 out. Above 146 it only gives 2 out. 
And swr does not change. Ideas?

Harlan
NC3C


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From ve3iay at storm.ca  Fri Oct  3 14:23:23 2014
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:23:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Message-ID: <542EE99B.9080103@storm.ca>

K3NDM wrote:

> I guess I don't understand.

That's right, you don't.

RTTY in AFSK A is a different animal from PSK31 in DATA A. In AFSK A, 
the K3's dial displays the actual Mark frequency of the RTTY signal, not 
the BFO or suppressed carrier frequency as in DATA A. The expectation 
when clicking on a signal peak in the panadapter waterfall is exactly 
the same in AFSK A as in CW or FSK D; you would expect the rig to tune 
directly to the chosen frequency so that you can hear the signal at your 
chosen audio tone (set by the K3's PITCH setting).

The mitigating factor for me personally is that I never click in the 
panadapter window in RTTY. I do all my tuning either with the radio's 
tuning knob or from the keyboard. My mouse stays in my receive text 
window - I left click to copy a call sign or exchange, and right-click 
to send the next message or log the contact. Since I installed NaP3 v4 I 
have never once clicked in the NaP3 window to tune in an RTTY signal, so 
I had never seen the problem Pete has reported. Once I tried it to see, 
the problem was immediately evident, but given the way I operate (which 
I believe is not unusual for RTTY), this bug in NaP3 does not affect me.

73,
Rich VE3KI

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Oct  3 14:42:51 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <542EE99B.9080103@storm.ca>
References: <542EE99B.9080103@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <542EEE2B.80101@comcast.net>

Rich,
     You're right. I didn't understand what you were trying to do. I 
would never have seen what you are referring to as I wouldn't operate as 
you describe; it never occurred to me to do so. And, I use NaP3 V3.1 
which may also have some subtle differences.
If I get some time, I'll need to play and see what I can discover, but 
I'll need to do a little station reconfiguration first. I would like to 
know more.

73,
Barry
K3NDM


On 10/3/2014 2:23 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
> K3NDM wrote:
>
>> I guess I don't understand.
>
> That's right, you don't.
>
> RTTY in AFSK A is a different animal from PSK31 in DATA A. In AFSK A, 
> the K3's dial displays the actual Mark frequency of the RTTY signal, 
> not the BFO or suppressed carrier frequency as in DATA A. The 
> expectation when clicking on a signal peak in the panadapter waterfall 
> is exactly the same in AFSK A as in CW or FSK D; you would expect the 
> rig to tune directly to the chosen frequency so that you can hear the 
> signal at your chosen audio tone (set by the K3's PITCH setting).
>
> The mitigating factor for me personally is that I never click in the 
> panadapter window in RTTY. I do all my tuning either with the radio's 
> tuning knob or from the keyboard. My mouse stays in my receive text 
> window - I left click to copy a call sign or exchange, and right-click 
> to send the next message or log the contact. Since I installed NaP3 v4 
> I have never once clicked in the NaP3 window to tune in an RTTY 
> signal, so I had never seen the problem Pete has reported. Once I 
> tried it to see, the problem was immediately evident, but given the 
> way I operate (which I believe is not unusual for RTTY), this bug in 
> NaP3 does not affect me.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
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From hms4 at Lehigh.EDU  Fri Oct  3 14:51:18 2014
From: hms4 at Lehigh.EDU (Howard Sherer)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:51:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] modifying an aux cable for remote kpa operation
Message-ID: <542EF026.8040605@lehigh.edu>

I am getting ready to set up my K3 & KPA for remote operation and will 
have to modify the KPA to K3 AUX cable for remote power on/off. How have 
others added the wire at pin 11 at the K3 to pin 8 at the KPA? Have you 
torn apart a standard VGA cable and changed the connections, or just 
made up a new custom cable?

Howard AE3T


From ve3iay at storm.ca  Fri Oct  3 15:26:24 2014
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 15:26:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Message-ID: <542EF860.1070208@storm.ca>

K3NDM wrote:

>      You're right. I didn't understand what you were trying to do. I
> would never have seen what you are referring to as I wouldn't operate as
> you describe; it never occurred to me to do so. And, I use NaP3 V3.1
> which may also have some subtle differences.
> If I get some time, I'll need to play and see what I can discover, but
> I'll need to do a little station reconfiguration first. I would like to
> know more.

I believe the problem only exists in v4; as far as I know v3 is OK in 
this respect.

73,
Rich VE3KI

From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 15:35:53 2014
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:35:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 (or KX3) Macros for custom SPLIT functions
In-Reply-To: <15019FC3-28FA-42C1-AC9C-B1BE61951F30@elecraft.com>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>
	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>
	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk> <542E98AB.70405@subich.com>
	<A4A34049-3A07-4EB7-AC2B-B8B8DF138238@elecraft.com>
	<542ED214.5000902@subich.com>
	<15019FC3-28FA-42C1-AC9C-B1BE61951F30@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <006701cfdf41$45049430$cf0dbc90$@co.uk>

Yup, I well remember the day when Wayne announced the macro facility -
and a very fine day that was! From that day, I have used a personalized
SPLIT macro that sets the K3 up just right from a single button-press,
and avoids all risk of appearing on the wrong frequency or seeing that
SPLIT N/A message [1].

The problem is that a Smart Split (or Safe Split) macro is not
assignable to the SPLIT button itself - instead, the SPLIT button become
something to *avoid*.  If there was an option to assign a special
user-defined macro to the SPLIT button (using one of the many available
examples) then the K3's SPLIT control would instantly become "best in
its class".

Moving on to Wayne's question about any missing points in his original
example, the main point is that when the KRX3 is installed, "A>B, A>B"
will also change many other parameters in the sub-rx. That may not be
what every user needs. For example, the main RX (VFO A) generally needs
to be optimized to listen for a weak DXpedition station, while the
sub-rx is tuning a pileup of very strong signals using VFOB. There are a
number of workarounds for that, but those macros will obviously be more
complex than Wayne's original "day 1" example.


[1] If anyone doesn't understand the urge to make the K3 do things
quickly, automatically and with minimum risk...  I am a DXer, a
contester and one of those "race tuners" who spend a lot of time
optimizing the performance and efficiency of our stations. We do this so
that on "race days" - in contest or DX pileups - we won't have to waste
any time or attention on unnecessary complications like pressing 6
different buttons in the correct sequence. Why? Because on "race days"
there are far more important things to do. 


73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com]
>Sent: 03 October 2014 17:49
>To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>Cc: Ian White
>Subject: Re: Using K3 (or KX3) Macros for custom SPLIT functions
>
>A>B twice sets mode B equal to mode A, so what am I missing?
>
>On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:43 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> That doesn't address the issue of resetting the VFO B mode when
>> pressing split (or when an external program commands split) if the
>> modes are different e.g., SSB vs. DATA or CW vs. DATA or the VFOs
>> are on different bands (VFO IND = YES).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-03 11:04 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> For those who may have missed this when I first described it--
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> In a recent discussion about SPLIT, many proposals were made (too
>>> many :)  Others argued for no change.
>>>
>>> With this in mind, we've created a new "switch macro" feature. It
>>> allows you to create your own variation on SPLIT -- or any other
radio
>>> function -- and execute it with a single switch press. In effect,
>>> you'll be creating your own custom firmware for the K3 that
automates
>>> control sequences you use most.
>>>
>>> Example #1 (SPLIT+2):
>>>
>>>    A>B
>>>    A>B
>>>    SPLIT
>>>    VFO B up 2
>>>    RIT and XIT off
>>>
>>> Example #2 (WEAKSIG):
>>>
>>>    Sub ON
>>>    Diversity mode
>>>    main/sub preamps on
>>>    200-Hz bandwidth
>>>    center passband
>>>
>>> Many other combinations are possible, limited only by the K3's
remote-
>>> control command set and the macro length limit (presently 56 bytes).
>>> You'll be able to set VFO frequencies or RIT/XIT offsets, adjust
gain
>>> or filter controls, and virtually "tap" or "hold" nearly any control
>>> on the radio.
>>>
>>> First, you enter a sequence of K3 control commands into one or more
>>> macros using K3 Utility, which can store them in the K3's EEPROM.
>>> Next, you assign the macros to any of the K3's 10 programmable
>>> function switches (PF1, PF2, M1-M4 tap, or M1-M4 hold) using the new
>>> MACRO menu entry.
>>>
>>> After that, activating the switch will perform the desired
functions,
>>> and the name of the macro will flash on VFO B as a reminder (e.g.,
>>> "SPLIT+2").
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> Many K3 (and KX3) owners are using such macros to obtain exactly the
>splits that they prefer.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 16:03:33 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:03:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for LP-Pan(2) for K3
Message-ID: <DEFFB44A-A7E8-4E0B-8497-372F0CF56648@gmail.com>

Perhaps someone upgraded to the P3 and would like to sell 
their LP-Pan?  Looking for LP-Pan(2) preferably with a USB 
"sound card" interface for my new-to-me K3/10.
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/k7on




From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Oct  3 16:38:04 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 16:38:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
In-Reply-To: <542EF860.1070208@storm.ca>
References: <542EF860.1070208@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <542F092C.4070909@comcast.net>

Interesting. I was beginning to think something like that, but I had to 
data to support that.

I was running V4 for a while, but I had trouble with it playing nice 
with some other stuff I run. So, I dumped it and went back to V3.1. This 
configuration appears to be quite stable and plays nice with the rest of 
my software. I do us CW Skimmer vice datatext. I find the demod in 
Skimmer works a bit better than the demod on the KX3 and I found the 
display of calls over signals both neat and overwhelming on my monitor. 
So I guess I'll stay with what is working here; I guess it's a matter 
now of it it isn't broke, don't fix it.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 10/3/2014 3:26 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
> K3NDM wrote:
>
>>      You're right. I didn't understand what you were trying to do. I
>> would never have seen what you are referring to as I wouldn't operate as
>> you describe; it never occurred to me to do so. And, I use NaP3 V3.1
>> which may also have some subtle differences.
>> If I get some time, I'll need to play and see what I can discover, but
>> I'll need to do a little station reconfiguration first. I would like to
>> know more.
>
> I believe the problem only exists in v4; as far as I know v3 is OK in 
> this respect.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
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From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 20:53:04 2014
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:53:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: New K2 top with speaker
Message-ID: <000901cfdf6d$8e3cc3d0$aab64b70$@woh.rr.com>

I somehow ended up with an as new K2 top cover with the speaker mounted in
it, the tape has never been taken off the back holes, only the headphone
jack has been installed.  There are no marks or scratches on it.

 

I'll sell it for $25 including priority mail shipping.  PayPal or Postal
Money order.

 

I have a couple pictures if anyone is interested.

Thanks 

Tim

NZ8J


From bwruble at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 22:00:47 2014
From: bwruble at gmail.com (bwruble at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:00:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remoting problem
Message-ID: <B38CBBB8-E0D1-4586-AE73-1F29541D5133@gmail.com>

Hi guys:

Last year, I had wonderful success controlling my "big station" (K3, KPA500,KAT500) on Maryland's Eastern Shore from our winter home in Key West.  When I took the setup down last May, I carefully documented every step required to set things back up.

Well, I have just gone through that process, and I can't get it to work --- at least not from within my own LAN and from another home LAN using a downstream router.

I can turn on the K3 from the K3/0 mini, and I can hear the audio from the K3 but I cannot control the K3. Also, the freq. readout on the mini does not correspond to the K3 and does not change with movement of the mini vfo dial.  The mini cannot turn off the K3.  The mini also comes up with "TERM" showing, which I don't remember from the last time I did this. (I can clear that by holding down the "CONFIG" button for 3 seconds.). 

I am pretty sure this has to do with the configuration of the control end RemoteRig.  I have had problems in the past getting things to work from within my own home --- whether same LAN or a downstream LAN.  Problem is, I don't want to get to Key West and discover it doesn't work.

Can anyone suggest things for me to try? 

Tnx.  73,

Brian W3BW



Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
From my iPad


From bwruble at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 23:25:42 2014
From: bwruble at gmail.com (bwruble at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 23:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remoting problem
In-Reply-To: <D5A7FD93-D673-424D-B9ED-68A954017BBD@cox.net>
References: <yq191o01045oxQM01q1BQP>
	<D5A7FD93-D673-424D-B9ED-68A954017BBD@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D260F8FE-688E-4E2E-93A8-5CF0EBCE72DE@gmail.com>

Wow!  Just unplugged and replugged all the RS232 lines, and it works!

Thanks for the help--- I am very pleased with the result.

73 de Brian W3BW



Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
From my iPad


> On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:43 PM, KE8G <KE8G at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> Try removing the cable from the K3 RS232 and make sure no dust is there.
> 
> I had a very similar problem and it turned out to be a little dust!
> 
> 73 de Jim - KE8G
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:00 PM, "bwruble at gmail.com" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> 
>> Last year, I had wonderful success controlling my "big station" (K3, KPA500,KAT500) on Maryland's Eastern Shore from our winter home in Key West.  When I took the setup down last May, I carefully documented every step required to set things back up.
>> 
>> Well, I have just gone through that process, and I can't get it to work --- at least not from within my own LAN and from another home LAN using a downstream router.
>> 
>> I can turn on the K3 from the K3/0 mini, and I can hear the audio from the K3 but I cannot control the K3. Also, the freq. readout on the mini does not correspond to the K3 and does not change with movement of the mini vfo dial.  The mini cannot turn off the K3.  The mini also comes up with "TERM" showing, which I don't remember from the last time I did this. (I can clear that by holding down the "CONFIG" button for 3 seconds.). 
>> 
>> I am pretty sure this has to do with the configuration of the control end RemoteRig.  I have had problems in the past getting things to work from within my own home --- whether same LAN or a downstream LAN.  Problem is, I don't want to get to Key West and discover it doesn't work.
>> 
>> Can anyone suggest things for me to try? 
>> 
>> Tnx.  73,
>> 
>> Brian W3BW
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
>> From my iPad
>> 
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From KE8G at cox.net  Sat Oct  4 00:06:12 2014
From: KE8G at cox.net (KE8G)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 00:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remoting problem
In-Reply-To: <yrRi1o00A3qDe2x01rRj9P>
References: <yq191o01045oxQM01q1BQP>
	<D5A7FD93-D673-424D-B9ED-68A954017BBD@cox.net>
	<yrRi1o00A3qDe2x01rRj9P>
Message-ID: <C968FF4B-0DDE-4932-940D-4C9531611CE7@cox.net>

Great!    Happy to hear it was such an easy fix!

73 de Jim - KE8G

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 3, 2014, at 11:25 PM, "bwruble at gmail.com" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow!  Just unplugged and replugged all the RS232 lines, and it works!
> 
> Thanks for the help--- I am very pleased with the result.
> 
> 73 de Brian W3BW
> 
> 
> 
> Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
> From my iPad
> 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:43 PM, KE8G <KE8G at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> Try removing the cable from the K3 RS232 and make sure no dust is there.
>> 
>> I had a very similar problem and it turned out to be a little dust!
>> 
>> 73 de Jim - KE8G
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:00 PM, "bwruble at gmail.com" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys:
>>> 
>>> Last year, I had wonderful success controlling my "big station" (K3, KPA500,KAT500) on Maryland's Eastern Shore from our winter home in Key West.  When I took the setup down last May, I carefully documented every step required to set things back up.
>>> 
>>> Well, I have just gone through that process, and I can't get it to work --- at least not from within my own LAN and from another home LAN using a downstream router.
>>> 
>>> I can turn on the K3 from the K3/0 mini, and I can hear the audio from the K3 but I cannot control the K3. Also, the freq. readout on the mini does not correspond to the K3 and does not change with movement of the mini vfo dial.  The mini cannot turn off the K3.  The mini also comes up with "TERM" showing, which I don't remember from the last time I did this. (I can clear that by holding down the "CONFIG" button for 3 seconds.). 
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure this has to do with the configuration of the control end RemoteRig.  I have had problems in the past getting things to work from within my own home --- whether same LAN or a downstream LAN.  Problem is, I don't want to get to Key West and discover it doesn't work.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone suggest things for me to try? 
>>> 
>>> Tnx.  73,
>>> 
>>> Brian W3BW
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
>>> From my iPad
>>> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct  4 04:13:35 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (redeast via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 01:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 AMP FOR SALE in UK
Message-ID: <1412410415235-7593601.post@n2.nabble.com>

?	Reluctantly selling my 6 month old KXPA100 Amp. 100 watts output 160
through 6 meters.It looks and works like new. Has been used with my KX3
Transceiver.No ATU as had my own. Includes Owner?s Manual and the optional
KXPACBL adapter which provides seamless functionality between the KX3 and
the KXPA100 with a single cable for keying, band data, and control.. Can
also be used with any low power transceiver with RF and PA keying outputs. 
?	New price is ?788..selling for ?660. Thanks
?	Larry G8CCO   (E.Sussex)





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From w4jbb at charter.net  Sat Oct  4 08:51:44 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:51:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 / PX3 Combo Width
Message-ID: <542FED60.1070104@charter.net>

*Exactly* how wide, with cables, is the KX3 / PX3 combo if you get them 
as close as possible to each other side-by-side?

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB

From rich at m5ric.co.uk  Sat Oct  4 09:08:50 2014
From: rich at m5ric.co.uk (Rich)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 14:08:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Filter Set-up
In-Reply-To: <55hd2a504h7ec12k9nmfn9mmkqem57i5r6@4ax.com>
References: <CAGRH4xah2+h70hn+i7_XM4RJ3JO19co58durqdg2RduWdRNFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<r422Ps-1075i-F8A391A06BBD4C03BDAB5658AAEF02EB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<55hd2a504h7ec12k9nmfn9mmkqem57i5r6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <CAGRH4xZ2zgW9=r0JUifP-hwsUE_16e714+M=3P_=zWz4zwadrA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tips.

This morning I moved the filter from FL3 to FL4, have used the K3 utility
program to set it up in this slot and have tried 3 and 4 dB of gain but I
still get the same.

Will email support to see what they say.

73


Rich

On 27 September 2014 15:10, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> After you've done what Bill suggested, try setting the loss (dB) for
> this filter, using the K3 Utility program.  I believe the equivalent
> filter loss is 3-4 dB.  This would be normal.  The K3 can compensate
> for it, as long as you set the value (otherwise assumed to be 0 dB).
>
> Be sure the filter width and offset is set correctly.  Easiest way is
> to use the K3 Utility program.
>
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
>
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:40:12 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Off the top of my head:
> >
> >It sounds like the signal isn't getting through the 250 Hz filter when
> you have it selected.
> >
> >Double check that it is installed correctly.
> >
> >Double check  you activated the correct slot in the CONFIG menu.
> >
> >The XFIL button will allow you to switch filters without changing the DSP
> bandwidth.
> >
> >Good luck Bill AE6JV
> >
> >On 9/27/14 at 9:29 PM, rich at m5ric.co.uk (Rich) wrote:
> >
> >> I have the 2.7, 1.8 and 250hz filters installed in FL1, FL2 and FL3 in
> my
> >> K3.
> >>
> >> Using the width I can change these filters and see the filter change as
> I
> >> get narrower. When I get to FL3 which has the 250hz filter, the noise
> level
> >> disappears totally and there is nothing on the S-meter.
> >>
> >> When on 0.30 BW there is about S3 of noise.
> >>
> >> This happens in any mode, CW or DATA.
> >>
> >> I have looked at the filter set-up using the K3 program on my pc and
> can't
> >> see anything.
> >>
> >> Could it be a duff filter or is there anything else I can check?
>
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Bill Frantz        |"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working,
> the
> >408-356-8506       | rate of systems being compromised would be going
> down,
> >www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum
> >
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From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com  Sat Oct  4 11:58:12 2014
From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 11:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Firmware Confusion
Message-ID: <000001cfdfec$00328320$00978960$@carolina.rr.com>

A post to the recent Yahoo Elecraft site indicates KAT500 firmware v.1.63 is
the latest version that takes care of problems that occur with RIT/XIT.  I
currently have v.1.67 and utility v.1.14.4.10.  What are the correct and
current beta or non-beta firmware and utility versions for the KAT500?
Thanks.  Roy Morris  W4WFB


From hb9brj at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 12:19:26 2014
From: hb9brj at gmail.com (hb9brj)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Does Not Power On with External Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <1412436345498-7593605.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1412436345498-7593605.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1412439566076-7593607.post@n2.nabble.com>

Two things I would check:
(1) polarity ok (center positive)?
(2) measure battery voltage while it delivers 0.5A or more to any available
load.

Markus HB9BRJ



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From heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch  Sat Oct  4 13:17:20 2014
From: heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch (Heinz Baertschi)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Does Not Power On with External Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <1412436270555-7593604.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1412436270555-7593604.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1412443040415-7593608.post@n2.nabble.com>

Make sure your DC power plug connected is a 5.5/2.1mm type.
A 5.5/2.5mm type can work also but it must not.

73 gl, Heinz HB9BCB



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From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Oct  4 14:03:53 2014
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 08:03:53 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Firmware Confusion
In-Reply-To: <000001cfdfec$00328320$00978960$@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000001cfdfec$00328320$00978960$@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F03CEE64-1B30-43D4-9FF2-38152D79F293@elecraft.com>

The post forwarded a note from earlier in the year. The current KAT500 firmware and utility versions are the ones you have, the ones on our KAT500 firmware and software web page.  

73 de Dick, K6KR





> On Oct 4, 2014, at 05:58, Roy Morris <w4wfb at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> A post to the recent Yahoo Elecraft site indicates KAT500 firmware v.1.63 is
> the latest version that takes care of problems that occur with RIT/XIT.  I
> currently have v.1.67 and utility v.1.14.4.10.  What are the correct and
> current beta or non-beta firmware and utility versions for the KAT500?
> Thanks.  Roy Morris  W4WFB
> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct  4 14:07:20 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:07:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
In-Reply-To: <201410031730.s93HU3dL062379@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410031730.s93HU3dL062379@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <243997162.300270.1412446040468.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I just tested mine into a dummy load
at 144 I get 7 watts and 148 I get 8 watts





      From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV
   
Harlan,

I was waiting to see if anyone from Elecraft would respond before 
replying.? I use a different transverter for 2m but the situation is 
the same using the K3.? RF output appears to drop quickly above 
30-MHz when in the transverter mode though receive seems functional 
to 32-MHz enabling receiving the entire 4-MHz 2meter band.

At 146.52 (K3=30.52 MHz) my 50w 2m transverter will only output 8w 
because drive drops to minimum.? This is too low for me to operate in 
the FM repeater sub-band of 2m as all but one repeater are > 65 miles 
from me.? Typically takes 25w to have a full-quieted signal thru 
these repeaters.

 From what I understood in communication with Elecraft this is a 
hardware limitation with no fix.? That is the bad news.

The good news is the KX3 suffers no power drop off over the whole 
2meter band with the new 2M module.? 3w drives my "little" RFS 2-23 
amp to 30w which is adequate for my FM needs.

If I need more power the 30w drives my RFC 2-317 to 150w, and if that 
is not enough 55w out of the RFC 2-317 will drive my 8877 to 
1400w.? Of course I do not use the 8877 with repeaters else they 
"melt down" :-)? I usually run my K3 with the 8877 via the 50w 
transverter for ms/eme.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
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Finally got around to installing this in my K3.
There seems to be a large difference in output power vs input power 
when transitioning across the 146.000 threshold. ?
Below 146, 0.5mW drive gives 6 out. Above 146 it only gives 2 out. 
And swr does not change. Ideas?

Harlan
NC3C


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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct  4 14:26:47 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (redeast via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 11:26:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100AMP For Sale-UK..correction
Message-ID: <1412447207916-7593611.post@n2.nabble.com>

?	Reluctantly selling my 6 month old KXPA100 Amp. 100 watts output 160
through 6 meters.It looks and works like new. Has been used with my KX3
Transceiver. Includes Owner?s Manual and the optional KXPACBL adapter which
provides seamless functionality between the KX3 and the KXPA100 with a
single cable for keying, band data, and control.. Can also be used with any
low power transceiver with RF and PA keying outputs. 
?	New price is ?788..selling for ?600. 
?	Thanks..Larry G8CCO   





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From jmb-f5lci at orange.fr  Sat Oct  4 15:28:55 2014
From: jmb-f5lci at orange.fr (F5LCI)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Does Not Power On with External Power Supply
In-Reply-To: <1412439566076-7593607.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1412436345498-7593605.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1412439566076-7593607.post@n2.nabble.com>
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- Are you using the elecraft 12v power cord ? - Firmly seated ?
(I have had a similar problem with a noname connector whose tip diameter was
too large).

- In the menu, what is the status of BAT CHG and of BAT MIN ? (and ALARM ?)

- Have a look inside at the power input connector.

- What happens without the batteries ?

72, Jean-Marc, F5LCI



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From wes at triconet.org  Sat Oct  4 15:43:56 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 12:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
Message-ID: <54304DFC.8060304@triconet.org>

I have a new, yet to assemble KAT500 and KPA500.  In reading the manual for the 
KAT500 I see a (new to me) caveat about *not* using the switched 12V from the 
K3.  What's up with this?  I thought there was supposed to be seamless 
integration of this stuff.

Wes  N7WS

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sat Oct  4 16:02:17 2014
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:02:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
Message-ID: <5jfv0kttcuo2pijacidm9a1q.1412452937966@email.android.com>

Thanks Harry. ?I just thought it was strange that it changed right where the crystal boundaries are. Still not sure I don't have a bum 2m module. ?I haven't looked at the actual signal to see how it looks.?


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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> </div><div>Date:10/04/2014  2:07 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>,Elecraft at mailman.qth.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV </div><div>
</div>I just tested mine into a dummy load
at 144 I get 7 watts and 148 I get 8 watts





      From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV
   
Harlan,

I was waiting to see if anyone from Elecraft would respond before 
replying.  I use a different transverter for 2m but the situation is 
the same using the K3.  RF output appears to drop quickly above 
30-MHz when in the transverter mode though receive seems functional 
to 32-MHz enabling receiving the entire 4-MHz 2meter band.

At 146.52 (K3=30.52 MHz) my 50w 2m transverter will only output 8w 
because drive drops to minimum.  This is too low for me to operate in 
the FM repeater sub-band of 2m as all but one repeater are > 65 miles 
from me.  Typically takes 25w to have a full-quieted signal thru 
these repeaters.

From what I understood in communication with Elecraft this is a 
hardware limitation with no fix.  That is the bad news.

The good news is the KX3 suffers no power drop off over the whole 
2meter band with the new 2M module.  3w drives my "little" RFS 2-23 
amp to 30w which is adequate for my FM needs.

If I need more power the 30w drives my RFC 2-317 to 150w, and if that 
is not enough 55w out of the RFC 2-317 will drive my 8877 to 
1400w.  Of course I do not use the 8877 with repeaters else they 
"melt down" :-)  I usually run my K3 with the 8877 via the 50w 
transverter for ms/eme.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
Message-ID: <tpinkyybba4q901cgs6do76g.1412293242257 at email.android.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Finally got around to installing this in my K3.
There seems to be a large difference in output power vs input power 
when transitioning across the 146.000 threshold. ?
Below 146, 0.5mW drive gives 6 out. Above 146 it only gives 2 out. 
And swr does not change. Ideas?

Harlan
NC3C


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From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sat Oct  4 17:36:58 2014
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 17:36:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
Message-ID: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>

Wes
I'm assuming you are referring to connecting the KAT power supply up to the K3 12v auxiliary output. ?You are correct, ?the KAT should not be connected to that. The KAT draws up to 1.5A but the K3 12v aux is only good for 1A. ..if it has the mod.?

I really don't see this as being a non-seamless integration issue. The OPERATION of the KAT with the K3 IS seamless, along with the KPA. Just wait till you have them all connected together. ... what a great 500w transceiver you will have.?

Harlan
NC3C


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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org> </div><div>Date:10/04/2014  3:43 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> </div><div>Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question </div><div>
</div>I have a new, yet to assemble KAT500 and KPA500.  In reading the manual for the 
KAT500 I see a (new to me) caveat about *not* using the switched 12V from the 
K3.  What's up with this?  I thought there was supposed to be seamless 
integration of this stuff.

Wes  N7WS
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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sat Oct  4 18:05:00 2014
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:05:00 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  K144XV
In-Reply-To: <54304CA9.9080002@horizon.co.fk>
References: <54304CA9.9080002@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <54306F0C.2080907@horizon.co.fk>

Hi,

Mistake I only sent this the Harry instead of the list.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:38:17 -0300
From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>

K144XV or other make?  I ran a test monitoring the KXV3 TX port and the
output was flat 28 - 30MHZ.  It started to roll off dramatically at
30.270MHz presumably due to the 10m bandpass filter and or the TX low
pass filter depending upon where you take the transverter drive from.

The K144XV is a two band device 144-146MHZ and 146-148MHz it swaps
conversion oscillator at the 146 boundary and so always uses 28-30MHz
drive.  An other make transverter is unlikely to do this and would
require a flat drive from 28MHz to 32MHz to cover the full band.  The K3
does not provide this.  This is the situation reported by KL7UW.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 04/10/2014 15:07, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I just tested mine into a dummy load
> at 144 I get 7 watts and 148 I get 8 watts
>
>
>
>
>
>        From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
>   To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>   Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 1:30 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K144XV
>
> Harlan,
>
> I was waiting to see if anyone from Elecraft would respond before
> replying.  I use a different transverter for 2m but the situation is
> the same using the K3.  RF output appears to drop quickly above
> 30-MHz when in the transverter mode though receive seems functional
> to 32-MHz enabling receiving the entire 4-MHz 2meter band.
>
> At 146.52 (K3=30.52 MHz) my 50w 2m transverter will only output 8w
> because drive drops to minimum.  This is too low for me to operate in
> the FM repeater sub-band of 2m as all but one repeater are > 65 miles
> from me.  Typically takes 25w to have a full-quieted signal thru
> these repeaters.
>
>   From what I understood in communication with Elecraft this is a
> hardware limitation with no fix.  That is the bad news.
>
> The good news is the KX3 suffers no power drop off over the whole
> 2meter band with the new 2M module.  3w drives my "little" RFS 2-23
> amp to 30w which is adequate for my FM needs.
>
> If I need more power the 30w drives my RFC 2-317 to 150w, and if that
> is not enough 55w out of the RFC 2-317 will drive my 8877 to
> 1400w.  Of course I do not use the 8877 with repeaters else they
> "melt down" :-)  I usually run my K3 with the 8877 via the 50w
> transverter for ms/eme.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW



From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  4 18:25:30 2014
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 17:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
In-Reply-To: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
References: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <543073DA.9010606@mchsi.com>

Yes, this is only referring to the power connection.  The KAT500 and 
KPA500 communicate with the K3 through the ACC cables.  Just connect the 
supplied power cable for the KAT500 to the power supply that is powering 
the radio (check polarity) and not to the 12v aux output on the K3 itself.

Mike
KI0HA

On 10/4/2014 4:36 PM, hsherriff wrote:
> Wes
> I'm assuming you are referring to connecting the KAT power supply up to the K3 12v auxiliary output.  You are correct,  the KAT should not be connected to that. The KAT draws up to 1.5A but the K3 12v aux is only good for 1A. ..if it has the mod.
>
> I really don't see this as being a non-seamless integration issue. The OPERATION of the KAT with the K3 IS seamless, along with the KPA. Just wait till you have them all connected together. ... what a great 500w transceiver you will have.
>
> Harlan
> NC3C
>
>
>
> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org> </div><div>Date:10/04/2014  3:43 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> </div><div>Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question </div><div>
> </div>I have a new, yet to assemble KAT500 and KPA500.  In reading the manual for the
> KAT500 I see a (new to me) caveat about *not* using the switched 12V from the
> K3.  What's up with this?  I thought there was supposed to be seamless
> integration of this stuff.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>


From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  4 18:46:43 2014
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 17:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
Message-ID: <543078D3.6060207@mchsi.com>

Ok, I just had something really strange happen with my K3.  I was 
listening to a strong signal and all of a sudden all the audio dropped 
out, and the S meter dropped down to nothing, yet the P3 still showed 
the signal.  Apparently a disconnect in the IF after the P3 output.  
Cycling power a couple times didn't help.  Then I pressed TUNE and it 
would not key the transmitter and the VFO-B area showed 0 watts.  After 
trying the TUNE button a couple times, all of a sudden it went back to 
normal operation.  Has anyone else ever had this happen?  What could 
have caused this, maybe a loose cable?

Thanks,
Mike
KI0HA

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  4 18:52:33 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:52:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
Message-ID: <28204067.1412463154121.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sounds like a job for ghost busters. OK, maybe a bad contact pin. How old is your K3?
73
Fred, AE6QL


-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com>
>Sent: Oct 4, 2014 3:46 PM
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
>
>Ok, I just had something really strange happen with my K3.  I was 
>listening to a strong signal and all of a sudden all the audio dropped 
>out, and the S meter dropped down to nothing, yet the P3 still showed 
>the signal.  Apparently a disconnect in the IF after the P3 output.  
>Cycling power a couple times didn't help.  Then I pressed TUNE and it 
>would not key the transmitter and the VFO-B area showed 0 watts.  After 
>trying the TUNE button a couple times, all of a sudden it went back to 
>normal operation.  Has anyone else ever had this happen?  What could 
>have caused this, maybe a loose cable?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>KI0HA
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Oct  4 19:00:28 2014
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 23:00:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob
Message-ID: <D055D471.7E04%edauer@law.du.edu>

I know the Pig Knob has been discussed on this reflector before, but I
wanted to post a note about it and he who produces it - Nick, N3WG.  I
hooked the knob up right out of the box and --- it did nothing, with
either my K3 or  KX3.  Many efforts at redoing (and following Nick?s
excellent You Tube videos) resulted in more nothing.  So I sent Nick an
e-mail.  It turns out that the problem was, to use the euphemism, operator
error.  I will spare everyone my recounting the embarrassing details.  But
it is now working exactly as advertised.  Most important, Nick responded
within twenty minutes to my e-mail, helpfully and with assurances that
we?d get it right.  Great service - suitable for those of us accustomed to
the same from Elecraft.

A question for those who have used the Pig Knob with the K3:  can it be
connected simultaneously with the P3 using a serial-Y connector from the
K3?s RS-232 port?  Anyone experience any problems doing that?

I have yet to try to set my own configurations for the device.  When I do
I will surely have more questions . . .

Cheers,

Ted, KN1CBR


From phystad at mac.com  Sat Oct  4 19:00:41 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2-meter memory setup
Message-ID: <CC4B788B-3141-436B-8E41-C7097C0044F7@mac.com>

I am a new owner of the 2-meter module for my KX3 and in fact just made my first FM repeater QSO a little bit ago. 

So, I decided to use the KX3 memory setup program that is described in the 2-meter module documentation.  I call up the web page and discover it currently supports Windows only.  I could drive over to my storage garage and dig out my old Windows Sony VAIO laptop but it would probably be easier to just manually program in the few memory locations that I care about for FM repeater stuff.

But, are there plans to create a version for Apple Mac computer users?  Or, should I write one of my own.  Doing a simple database plus table/grid app for memory cell data would be something I could do tonight after dinner on my Mac but I am wondering if the serial interface protocol for downloading the memory cell information is public or available.

So, does anyone know if this can be done using the current KX3 programing commands or if there is another interface that can be used.  I glanced through the K3/KX3 programing documentation and nothing jumped out as obvious support for 2-meter module memory cell read and write.

73, phil, K7PEH

P.S.  I probably wouldn't write the app in one evening after dinner but maybe on a Saturday when I am not doing anything else.

From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  4 19:03:59 2014
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 18:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
In-Reply-To: <28204067.1412463154121.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <28204067.1412463154121.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54307CDF.1060008@mchsi.com>

I have had the K3 for about 5 years now.  S/N 2679.  And to clarify, I 
guess it did key the transmitter because the TX light would come on but 
it did not put out any power and showed 0 Watts on the display.  I have 
not had any other problems except for the headphone jack on the rear. I 
probably plugged a mono plug into it by mistake.

On 10/4/2014 5:52 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> Sounds like a job for ghost busters. OK, maybe a bad contact pin. How old is your K3?
> 73
> Fred, AE6QL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com>
>> Sent: Oct 4, 2014 3:46 PM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
>>
>> Ok, I just had something really strange happen with my K3.  I was
>> listening to a strong signal and all of a sudden all the audio dropped
>> out, and the S meter dropped down to nothing, yet the P3 still showed
>> the signal.  Apparently a disconnect in the IF after the P3 output.
>> Cycling power a couple times didn't help.  Then I pressed TUNE and it
>> would not key the transmitter and the VFO-B area showed 0 watts.  After
>> trying the TUNE button a couple times, all of a sudden it went back to
>> normal operation.  Has anyone else ever had this happen?  What could
>> have caused this, maybe a loose cable?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> KI0HA
>>
>


From wes at triconet.org  Sat Oct  4 19:04:00 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:04:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
In-Reply-To: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
References: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <54307CE0.6060307@triconet.org>

Actually, the KAT500 manual states that the power required is 11 to 15 VDC, 1.0 
A max (200 mA typical). So a K3 with the mod should handle it fine.  So what 
this suggests to me is that there is a timing issue, which if the case, is poor 
integration. IMHO, of course.

Wes  N7WS


On 10/4/2014 2:36 PM, hsherriff wrote:
> Wes
> I'm assuming you are referring to connecting the KAT power supply up to the K3 12v auxiliary output.  You are correct,  the KAT should not be connected to that. The KAT draws up to 1.5A but the K3 12v aux is only good for 1A. ..if it has the mod.
>
> I really don't see this as being a non-seamless integration issue. The OPERATION of the KAT with the K3 IS seamless, along with the KPA. Just wait till you have them all connected together. ... what a great 500w transceiver you will have.
>
> Harlan
> NC3C
>
>


From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  4 19:13:53 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:13:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
Message-ID: <25616068.1412464434338.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

OK then I think you have tin pins (not to confused with game a ten pins). Contact customer service for free replacment pins.

73
Fred


-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com>
>Sent: Oct 4, 2014 4:03 PM
>To: Fred Townsend <fptownsend at earthlink.net>, Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
>
>I have had the K3 for about 5 years now.  S/N 2679.  And to clarify, I 
>guess it did key the transmitter because the TX light would come on but 
>it did not put out any power and showed 0 Watts on the display.  I have 
>not had any other problems except for the headphone jack on the rear. I 
>probably plugged a mono plug into it by mistake.
>
>On 10/4/2014 5:52 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
>> Sounds like a job for ghost busters. OK, maybe a bad contact pin. How old is your K3?
>> 73
>> Fred, AE6QL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 4, 2014 3:46 PM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
>>>
>>> Ok, I just had something really strange happen with my K3.  I was
>>> listening to a strong signal and all of a sudden all the audio dropped
>>> out, and the S meter dropped down to nothing, yet the P3 still showed
>>> the signal.  Apparently a disconnect in the IF after the P3 output.
>>> Cycling power a couple times didn't help.  Then I pressed TUNE and it
>>> would not key the transmitter and the VFO-B area showed 0 watts.  After
>>> trying the TUNE button a couple times, all of a sudden it went back to
>>> normal operation.  Has anyone else ever had this happen?  What could
>>> have caused this, maybe a loose cable?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>> KI0HA
>>>
>>
>


From neilz at techie.com  Sat Oct  4 19:37:16 2014
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX3 with WSJT-X & DXLAB Commander
Message-ID: <543084AC.4090608@techie.com>

Hi all,

Is anyone else using the same type of combination of software with the 
KX3?  I'm using the KXUSB cable to control CAT, and an external USB 
soundcard directly hooked to the KX3.

My issue is that I'm seeing some times when the KX3 does switch out of 
transmit at the end of the JT9 period of 50 seconds.    This doesn't 
happen often, but it has happened the past two nights.  One night the 
KX3 was being used for over an hour and a half, and tonight for less 
than 10 minutes.

The developer and I have been exchanging logs, and have somewhat 
eliminated WSJT-X as the cause, so we're starting to look at Commander, 
to see if its the culprit.    Having someone else seeing the same issue 
would assist  in tracking down this bug, if indeed its a bug in the 
software and not a problem with CAT control of the KX3.

  ... and if I'm the only one seeing this, I need to eliminate any short 
between the headsets .. hi hi.

73,

Neil Z
KB3TVU

From phystad at mac.com  Sat Oct  4 19:38:12 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:38:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of the Time...
Message-ID: <85A7B684-27A0-435A-A788-5CDBBC9ECCB3@mac.com>

OK, Here's the thing...

My KX3 battery has operated flawlessly ever since I first built the KX3 and put in the battery holder/charger feature.  One set of batteries being used in portable QRP ops being discharged and recharged many times.  Then, I decided to buy the 2-meter module option and install that.

I started the installation which included taking out all 8 batteries, unplugging the battery connector that goes to the other half of the KX3 and so on.  I get part way into the installation and discover that I cannot finish the job because inductor L40 which has to move cannot physically move at all.  So, I send it to Elecraft, they do the installation, they send the unit back to me and everything is hunky-dory except for the battery facility.

These are the symptoms.  Brand new batteries installed, and I operate the KX3 with external power and make sure that the batteries are fully charged.  The VFO B Display shows BT voltage with a good charged level.  I turn the KX3 off, disconnect external power, and go to turn on with battery power.  Nothing happens, just as if no batteries installed.

I replug external power, turn on KX3 using external power and check out the various battery menu settings and so on.  This time, without unplugging external power connector, I merely turn off the external power supply and the KX3 continues operating nicely with battery power.  I do a number of tests with CW key down into metered dummy load to check TX and a few other things.  I think the problem solved.  I run on batteries all afternoon to run them down.  Turning on external power I recharge the batteries back up to an operating level.  I turn off KX3, disconnect external power, and turn on KX3 and nothing happens just like before.  I fiddle with things a bit.  I attempt to do what I did before that brought life back to the battery feature but nothing happens.

I split open the KX3 and check the power plug.  I push in on it a little bit.  I put the two halves loosely back together and then do a power on and the KX3 comes alive on batteries.

I am thinking that I have a loose connection somewhere, maybe the battery hookup plug that goes across to the other half.  

Anyone have problems with these connectors?  I am wondering if I just give up on the battery thing and use my external Li -ion external batteries from now on.

73, phil, K7PEH


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sat Oct  4 19:50:28 2014
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
Message-ID: <5gg603r9poeiw2bkhajjh7pc.1412466628826@email.android.com>

Wes
My copy of the KAT manual (Rev B4, 2012) says 11 to 15 DVD 1.5A max.
I don't understand the comment about a timing issue???

Harlan
NC3C


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org> </div><div>Date:10/04/2014  7:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question </div><div>
</div>Actually, the KAT500 manual states that the power required is 11 to 15 VDC, 1.0 
A max (200 mA typical). So a K3 with the mod should handle it fine.  So what 
this suggests to me is that there is a timing issue, which if the case, is poor 
integration. IMHO, of course.

Wes  N7WS


On 10/4/2014 2:36 PM, hsherriff wrote:
> Wes
> I'm assuming you are referring to connecting the KAT power supply up to the K3 12v auxiliary output.  You are correct,  the KAT should not be connected to that. The KAT draws up to 1.5A but the K3 12v aux is only good for 1A. ..if it has the mod.
>
> I really don't see this as being a non-seamless integration issue. The OPERATION of the KAT with the K3 IS seamless, along with the KPA. Just wait till you have them all connected together. ... what a great 500w transceiver you will have.
>
> Harlan
> NC3C
>
>

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From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Oct  4 19:51:12 2014
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 18:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
In-Reply-To: <25616068.1412464434338.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <25616068.1412464434338.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Ok, it has cut out a couple more times.  Which pins are you referring to?

On 10/4/2014 6:13 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> OK then I think you have tin pins (not to confused with game a ten pins). Contact customer service for free replacment pins.
>
> 73
> Fred
>
>
> -----Original Message-----


From lists at subich.com  Sat Oct  4 19:54:18 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:54:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX3 with WSJT-X & DXLAB Commander
In-Reply-To: <543084AC.4090608@techie.com>
References: <543084AC.4090608@techie.com>
Message-ID: <543088AA.4000905@subich.com>


I've used WSJT-X with Commander and the K3 and *never* seen a hang in
transmit.  The K3 and KX3 use the same commands for T/R switching (*ALL*
rigs use the same T/R switching commands from WSJT-X when using DXLab
Suite Commander - with Commander doing the translation from WSJT-X
commands to the rig specific command).

I would look carefully for RF issues - when using software commands, it
is very easy for RF to scramble the TX OFF serial command.  That issue
is particularly likely with a continuous carrier mode like JT65/JT9.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-04 7:37 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is anyone else using the same type of combination of software with the
> KX3?  I'm using the KXUSB cable to control CAT, and an external USB
> soundcard directly hooked to the KX3.
>
> My issue is that I'm seeing some times when the KX3 does switch out of
> transmit at the end of the JT9 period of 50 seconds.    This doesn't
> happen often, but it has happened the past two nights.  One night the
> KX3 was being used for over an hour and a half, and tonight for less
> than 10 minutes.
>
> The developer and I have been exchanging logs, and have somewhat
> eliminated WSJT-X as the cause, so we're starting to look at Commander,
> to see if its the culprit.    Having someone else seeing the same issue
> would assist  in tracking down this bug, if indeed its a bug in the
> software and not a problem with CAT control of the KX3.
>
>   ... and if I'm the only one seeing this, I need to eliminate any short
> between the headsets .. hi hi.
>
> 73,
>
> Neil Z
> KB3TVU
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From lists at subich.com  Sat Oct  4 19:55:05 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
In-Reply-To: <543087F0.5090109@mchsi.com>
References: <25616068.1412464434338.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<543087F0.5090109@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <543088D9.4040904@subich.com>


Pins connecting the front panel to the main (RF) board.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-04 7:51 PM, Michael Eberle wrote:
> Ok, it has cut out a couple more times.  Which pins are you referring to?
>
> On 10/4/2014 6:13 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
>> OK then I think you have tin pins (not to confused with game a ten
>> pins). Contact customer service for free replacment pins.
>>
>> 73
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  4 20:05:09 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:05:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
Message-ID: <2170559.1412467510041.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Joe has it nailed. Just call customer service on Monday and give them your serial number and tell them you have the interminent pin problem. They will give your options. You may want to talk about other upgrades too.
73
Fred


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
>Sent: Oct 4, 2014 4:55 PM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ghost in my K3?
>
>
>Pins connecting the front panel to the main (RF) board.
>
>73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>On 2014-10-04 7:51 PM, Michael Eberle wrote:
>> Ok, it has cut out a couple more times.  Which pins are you referring to?
>>
>> On 10/4/2014 6:13 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
>>> OK then I think you have tin pins (not to confused with game a ten
>>> pins). Contact customer service for free replacment pins.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
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From ac0g at hauan.org  Sat Oct  4 20:36:48 2014
From: ac0g at hauan.org (Michael James Hauan)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:36:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -- turning it off
Message-ID: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>

Anyone have any ideas why, when I hit the power button to turn off my K3, it doesn?t turn off.  All markings disappear but the backlight stays on and hitting the power button thereafter does nothing. 

I have to resort to pulling the plug.  

On plugging it back in, the power comes on without hitting the power button.  

73!

Michael James Hauan, AC?G
-----------------------------------------
ac0g at hauan.org
ac0g at winlink.org
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  4 21:05:23 2014
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:05:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -- turning it off
In-Reply-To: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>
References: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>
Message-ID: <c5613alou0l1r99icimgoo79iigc482thg@4ax.com>

Sounds like the big FET that switches power might have failed closed.

Best thing - call Support in the morning and report the symptoms.  If
this is repeatable, they'll issue an RSA (RMA?) and the factory will
fix it for you (free, if under warranty).

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:36:48 -0500, you wrote:

>Anyone have any ideas why, when I hit the power button to turn off my K3, it doesn?t turn off.  All markings disappear but the backlight stays on and hitting the power button thereafter does nothing. 
>
>I have to resort to pulling the plug.  
>
>On plugging it back in, the power comes on without hitting the power button.  
>
>73!
>
>Michael James Hauan, AC?G
>-----------------------------------------
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>ac0g at winlink.org
>573-823-7114 (c)
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From wes at triconet.org  Sat Oct  4 21:59:32 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 18:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
In-Reply-To: <54307CE0.6060307@triconet.org>
References: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
	<54307CE0.6060307@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <5430A604.9010105@triconet.org>

Let me clarify some issues before leaving this subject.

1) There are apparently multiple versions of the manual that show different 
KAT500 power requirements.  The current one, Rev C, states on page 2 that the 
voltage should be 11 to 15 VDC at a current of 1.0 A max (200 mA typical).

2)  A modified K3 will output 1.0 A. See *K312MDKT.

3) *After further digging I see the warning that if the K3 and KAT500 are 
interconnected via the AUX bus, the KAT500 must be power before the K3 is or 
*the K3* won't initialize properly. (p 14)  So there is my integration/timing 
issue.  Imagine having to have your printer powered up before booting your 
computer to avoid latch-up. Does this mean that other peripherals (KRC-2) 
hanging on the AUX Bus will have the same effect?

4) On a positive note, it went together nicely (not too pleased with the paint 
on the top cover) and seems to work fine using just the K3 without 
interconnects, just r-f sensing.  The clattering relays are a little frightening 
though when my only prior experience with autotuners was the quiet whirring of 
the motors in my TS-870SAT.

Wes, N7WS



From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Oct  4 22:20:52 2014
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:20:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
In-Reply-To: <5430A604.9010105@triconet.org>
References: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
	<54307CE0.6060307@triconet.org> <5430A604.9010105@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <097CCD6F-73FC-45D9-ADAF-D74CA0EF4AF7@me.com>

Godo questions. The power sequencing key is that the KAT500 must be powered before the K3 initializes the Auxbus. You actually have a little bit of time after the K3 powers on before this happens, and the KAT500 powers up quickly to wait for this activity, so if you were able to power the KAT500 from the K3?s power jack, it will work just fine. I do this in my own station by powering a relay from the K3. The relay then switches power to the remaining peripherals, including my KAT500, K3  and  KRC2. I can?t answer the question as to whether the upgraded K3 can directly power a KAT500 - my own has not been upgraded and with the power setup I have I don?t need it.

As for the KRC2, we have not seen any problem of this sort so far (and it has been a long time?). The KRC2?s Auxbus circuitry is slightly different from the KAT500, which seems to allow it. Before anyone asks, the KPA500 does not have this problem at all. It only transmits on the Auxbus, and the isolation driver transistor it uses very effectively prevents any problem.

As for the interconnect, I highly recommend using the Auxbus connection, especially if a KPA500 is in use. When properly configured, the three devices work very well together to provide an excellent user experience. To borrow a phrase, they just work.

73!

Jack B, W6FB

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Let me clarify some issues before leaving this subject.
> 
> 1) There are apparently multiple versions of the manual that show different KAT500 power requirements.  The current one, Rev C, states on page 2 that the voltage should be 11 to 15 VDC at a current of 1.0 A max (200 mA typical).
> 
> 2)  A modified K3 will output 1.0 A. See *K312MDKT.
> 
> 3) *After further digging I see the warning that if the K3 and KAT500 are interconnected via the AUX bus, the KAT500 must be power before the K3 is or *the K3* won't initialize properly. (p 14)  So there is my integration/timing issue.  Imagine having to have your printer powered up before booting your computer to avoid latch-up. Does this mean that other peripherals (KRC-2) hanging on the AUX Bus will have the same effect?
> 
> 4) On a positive note, it went together nicely (not too pleased with the paint on the top cover) and seems to work fine using just the K3 without interconnects, just r-f sensing.  The clattering relays are a little frightening though when my only prior experience with autotuners was the quiet whirring of the motors in my TS-870SAT.
> 
> Wes, N7WS
> 
> 
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From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 23:00:30 2014
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 20:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -- turning it off
In-Reply-To: <c5613alou0l1r99icimgoo79iigc482thg@4ax.com>
References: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>
	<c5613alou0l1r99icimgoo79iigc482thg@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <7A618C6B-9FE0-46FA-9E0E-0BCF45FB0BA7@gmail.com>

Try disconnecting the Aux plug and serial plug, one of the lines may have a voltage on it or a short. 

If that fixes things, add one external feature at a time until you find the problem cause. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the big FET that switches power might have failed closed.
> 
> Best thing - call Support in the morning and report the symptoms.  If
> this is repeatable, they'll issue an RSA (RMA?) and the factory will
> fix it for you (free, if under warranty).
> 
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
> 
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:36:48 -0500, you wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas why, when I hit the power button to turn off my K3, it doesn?t turn off.  All markings disappear but the backlight stays on and hitting the power button thereafter does nothing. 
>> 
>> I have to resort to pulling the plug.  
>> 
>> On plugging it back in, the power comes on without hitting the power button.  
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> Michael James Hauan, AC?G
>> -----------------------------------------
>> ac0g at hauan.org
>> ac0g at winlink.org
>> 573-823-7114 (c)
>> 
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From wes at triconet.org  Sun Oct  5 01:27:55 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 22:27:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
In-Reply-To: <097CCD6F-73FC-45D9-ADAF-D74CA0EF4AF7@me.com>
References: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com><54307CE0.6060307@triconet.org>
	<5430A604.9010105@triconet.org>
	<097CCD6F-73FC-45D9-ADAF-D74CA0EF4AF7@me.com>
Message-ID: <5430D6DB.3070301@triconet.org>

Jack,

Thanks for your remarks.

I will be using AUX Bus interconnects, however, the KPA500 has yet to be 
assembled and frankly the Elecraft cables are too spendy so they are coming from 
elsewhere.

I don't use a P3 (an SDR-IQ is my preference) so the 12V spigot is available. 
However, using that port to power a relay is going in the wrong direction for 
me. I'd like to reduce the mess of cables and needing one more from the desktop 
to the supply underneath was what I wanted to avoid. I've just had to add a 
Rigrunner to power more devices in my "wireless" station.

'Tis a pity that the KAT500 can't treat the bus like the KRC-2 and KPA500.

Wes N7WS


On 10/4/2014 7:20 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
> Godo questions. The power sequencing key is that the KAT500 must be powered before the K3 initializes the Auxbus. You actually have a little bit of time after the K3 powers on before this happens, and the KAT500 powers up quickly to wait for this activity, so if you were able to power the KAT500 from the K3?s power jack, it will work just fine. I do this in my own station by powering a relay from the K3. The relay then switches power to the remaining peripherals, including my KAT500, K3  and  KRC2. I can?t answer the question as to whether the upgraded K3 can directly power a KAT500 - my own has not been upgraded and with the power setup I have I don?t need it.
>
> As for the KRC2, we have not seen any problem of this sort so far (and it has been a long time?). The KRC2?s Auxbus circuitry is slightly different from the KAT500, which seems to allow it. Before anyone asks, the KPA500 does not have this problem at all. It only transmits on the Auxbus, and the isolation driver transistor it uses very effectively prevents any problem.
>
> As for the interconnect, I highly recommend using the Auxbus connection, especially if a KPA500 is in use. When properly configured, the three devices work very well together to provide an excellent user experience. To borrow a phrase, they just work.
>
> 73!
>
> Jack B, W6FB
>
>


From ky7k at cox.net  Sun Oct  5 01:28:23 2014
From: ky7k at cox.net (KY7K)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 22:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and very
	unstable between transmissions
Message-ID: <D38F9331-1243-45A2-87A6-9259FAED9FC2@cox.net>

I recently purchased a used K2 (Rev A) from a club that was not working because it had been ?hooked up backward?. That is the best anyone can remember as to what happened to the radio ~7 years ago?

Currently, the power output as displayed on the radio and on an external power meter is very unstable and does not match the power setting desired. This is not just a little off, I can select 1W on the radio and then hit the tune button 5 times and might get .4W, 6.7W, HI-CUR, 9.0W, 1.2W.
This is the QRP K2 with SSB, NB, KIO2 and DSP options. The problem occurs with or without the option boards installed.

Background:
When I first tested it, it would power on but the only function that was operational was the power control. Every other knob and button was non-functioning as if the cpu was hung up. The radio was not transmitting in this state.
I had a old CPU (U6) from my other K2 that I installed as a test and that seemed to fix the problem, at least in receive. I, unfortunately, did not test it in transmit. 
I ordered a FWK2MCIO kit to get a new cpu and also ordered all the mod kits for the Rev A to Rev B upgrade, once they came in I installed everything and while performing the the calibrations after the upgrade discovered that the transmit power was very unstable between transmissions. 
Other than the bad U6, the only other issue I found was that the PCB trace from pin 5 of the Mic connector on the front panel board was basically missing, from getting shorted to +12V I assume, it disintegrated when touched...

I?ve narrowed the issue down to the control board, since if I swap the control board from my working K2 into the bad radio the power issue disappears.
I?ve checked VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the control board and they are all OK best I can tell, and I?m now at a loss where to look next.
Note: the power level is stable once it settles on some random output power. The power level is random from one transmission to the next.

The following links are images showing a tune cycle.
The first image shows the full scan with the radio set to ~1W and actually putting out ~.4W. The second image is zoomed in on the start of the cycle.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i64sw2ue2405roe/k2_0_5w_full.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe297am756igbd4/k2_0_5w_zoom.png?dl=0

This is with the power set to ~7W and the radio indicating hi-cur, before settling down to ~6.4W
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxzi3yk13gye4g/k2_hicur_full.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qz10478zt66tjd/k2_hicur_zoom.png?dl=0



Steve - KY7K
ky7k at arrl.net
Get OUT and play radio!


From ky7k at cox.net  Sun Oct  5 01:36:20 2014
From: ky7k at cox.net (KY7K)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 22:36:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and
	very unstable between transmissions
In-Reply-To: <zHUx1o00345oxQM01HUyiK>
References: <zHUx1o00345oxQM01HUyiK>
Message-ID: <8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>

I forgot to mention that all testing is into a known good DL1 dummy load that I?m also using for my external power readings.

Any wise insights are most welcome!

Steve - KY7K
ky7k at arrl.net
Get OUT and play radio!

On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:28 PM, KY7K <ky7k at cox.net> wrote:

> I recently purchased a used K2 (Rev A) from a club that was not working because it had been ?hooked up backward?. That is the best anyone can remember as to what happened to the radio ~7 years ago?
> 
> Currently, the power output as displayed on the radio and on an external power meter is very unstable and does not match the power setting desired. This is not just a little off, I can select 1W on the radio and then hit the tune button 5 times and might get .4W, 6.7W, HI-CUR, 9.0W, 1.2W.
> This is the QRP K2 with SSB, NB, KIO2 and DSP options. The problem occurs with or without the option boards installed.
> 
> Background:
> When I first tested it, it would power on but the only function that was operational was the power control. Every other knob and button was non-functioning as if the cpu was hung up. The radio was not transmitting in this state.
> I had a old CPU (U6) from my other K2 that I installed as a test and that seemed to fix the problem, at least in receive. I, unfortunately, did not test it in transmit. 
> I ordered a FWK2MCIO kit to get a new cpu and also ordered all the mod kits for the Rev A to Rev B upgrade, once they came in I installed everything and while performing the the calibrations after the upgrade discovered that the transmit power was very unstable between transmissions. 
> Other than the bad U6, the only other issue I found was that the PCB trace from pin 5 of the Mic connector on the front panel board was basically missing, from getting shorted to +12V I assume, it disintegrated when touched...
> 
> I?ve narrowed the issue down to the control board, since if I swap the control board from my working K2 into the bad radio the power issue disappears.
> I?ve checked VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the control board and they are all OK best I can tell, and I?m now at a loss where to look next.
> Note: the power level is stable once it settles on some random output power. The power level is random from one transmission to the next.
> 
> The following links are images showing a tune cycle.
> The first image shows the full scan with the radio set to ~1W and actually putting out ~.4W. The second image is zoomed in on the start of the cycle.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i64sw2ue2405roe/k2_0_5w_full.png?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe297am756igbd4/k2_0_5w_zoom.png?dl=0
> 
> This is with the power set to ~7W and the radio indicating hi-cur, before settling down to ~6.4W
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxzi3yk13gye4g/k2_hicur_full.png?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qz10478zt66tjd/k2_hicur_zoom.png?dl=0
> 
> 
> 
> Steve - KY7K
> ky7k at arrl.net
> Get OUT and play radio!
> 
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Oct  5 01:48:33 2014
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 22:48:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 power question
In-Reply-To: <5430D6DB.3070301@triconet.org>
References: <rw41iistvk0vwph418uc6m35.1412458618704@email.android.com>
	<54307CE0.6060307@triconet.org> <5430A604.9010105@triconet.org>
	<097CCD6F-73FC-45D9-ADAF-D74CA0EF4AF7@me.com>
	<5430D6DB.3070301@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <A0DD6B78-5BAB-41CD-8E7E-2FDBF388B716@me.com>

Wes;

We do realize the situation as far as Auxbus is concerned with an unpowered KAT500. I believe that Wayne has stated that he has an active task to allow the K3 to detect the situation and recover from it.
I don?t know the time frame of this fix. I?ll let him comment further when he gets a chance.

Jack B, W6FB


> 
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:27 PM, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Jack,
> 
> Thanks for your remarks.
> 
> I will be using AUX Bus interconnects, however, the KPA500 has yet to be assembled and frankly the Elecraft cables are too spendy so they are coming from elsewhere.
> 
> I don't use a P3 (an SDR-IQ is my preference) so the 12V spigot is available. However, using that port to power a relay is going in the wrong direction for me. I'd like to reduce the mess of cables and needing one more from the desktop to the supply underneath was what I wanted to avoid. I've just had to add a Rigrunner to power more devices in my "wireless" station.
> 
> 'Tis a pity that the KAT500 can't treat the bus like the KRC-2 and KPA500.
> 
> Wes N7WS
> 
> 
> On 10/4/2014 7:20 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
>> Godo questions. The power sequencing key is that the KAT500 must be powered before the K3 initializes the Auxbus. You actually have a little bit of time after the K3 powers on before this happens, and the KAT500 powers up quickly to wait for this activity, so if you were able to power the KAT500 from the K3?s power jack, it will work just fine. I do this in my own station by powering a relay from the K3. The relay then switches power to the remaining peripherals, including my KAT500, K3  and  KRC2. I can?t answer the question as to whether the upgraded K3 can directly power a KAT500 - my own has not been upgraded and with the power setup I have I don?t need it.
>> 
>> As for the KRC2, we have not seen any problem of this sort so far (and it has been a long time?). The KRC2?s Auxbus circuitry is slightly different from the KAT500, which seems to allow it. Before anyone asks, the KPA500 does not have this problem at all. It only transmits on the Auxbus, and the isolation driver transistor it uses very effectively prevents any problem.
>> 
>> As for the interconnect, I highly recommend using the Auxbus connection, especially if a KPA500 is in use. When properly configured, the three devices work very well together to provide an excellent user experience. To borrow a phrase, they just work.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> Jack B, W6FB
>> 
>> 
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 02:14:03 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:14:03 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and
 very unstable between transmissions
In-Reply-To: <D38F9331-1243-45A2-87A6-9259FAED9FC2@cox.net>
References: <D38F9331-1243-45A2-87A6-9259FAED9FC2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5430E1AB.5080905@gmail.com>

Did you check D9 and other components on the RF board that provide the 
VRFDET signal?

How did you check "VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the control board" if the
transmit power is unstable?

On 10/5/2014 08:28, KY7K wrote:
> I recently purchased a used K2 (Rev A) from a club that was not
> working because it had been ?hooked up backward?. That is the best
> anyone can remember as to what happened to the radio ~7 years ago?
>
> Currently, the power output as displayed on the radio and on an
> external power meter is very unstable and does not match the power
> setting desired. This is not just a little off, I can select 1W on
> the radio and then hit the tune button 5 times and might get .4W,
> 6.7W, HI-CUR, 9.0W, 1.2W. This is the QRP K2 with SSB, NB, KIO2 and
> DSP options. The problem occurs with or without the option boards
> installed.
>
> Background: When I first tested it, it would power on but the only
> function that was operational was the power control. Every other knob
> and button was non-functioning as if the cpu was hung up. The radio
> was not transmitting in this state. I had a old CPU (U6) from my
> other K2 that I installed as a test and that seemed to fix the
> problem, at least in receive. I, unfortunately, did not test it in
> transmit. I ordered a FWK2MCIO kit to get a new cpu and also ordered
> all the mod kits for the Rev A to Rev B upgrade, once they came in I
> installed everything and while performing the the calibrations after
> the upgrade discovered that the transmit power was very unstable
> between transmissions. Other than the bad U6, the only other issue I
> found was that the PCB trace from pin 5 of the Mic connector on the
> front panel board was basically missing, from getting shorted to +12V
> I assume, it disintegrated when touched...
>
> I?ve narrowed the issue down to the control board, since if I swap
> the control board from my working K2 into the bad radio the power
> issue disappears. I?ve checked VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the control
> board and they are all OK best I can tell, and I?m now at a loss
> where to look next. Note: the power level is stable once it settles
> on some random output power. The power level is random from one
> transmission to the next.
>
> The following links are images showing a tune cycle. The first image
> shows the full scan with the radio set to ~1W and actually putting
> out ~.4W. The second image is zoomed in on the start of the cycle.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i64sw2ue2405roe/k2_0_5w_full.png?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe297am756igbd4/k2_0_5w_zoom.png?dl=0
>
> This is with the power set to ~7W and the radio indicating hi-cur,
> before settling down to ~6.4W
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxzi3yk13gye4g/k2_hicur_full.png?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qz10478zt66tjd/k2_hicur_zoom.png?dl=0
>
>
>
> Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio!

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 02:15:42 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:15:42 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and
 very unstable between transmissions
In-Reply-To: <8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>
References: <zHUx1o00345oxQM01HUyiK>
	<8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5430E20E.7040506@gmail.com>

Also, what about the power control pot itself?

On 10/5/2014 08:36, KY7K wrote:
> I forgot to mention that all testing is into a known good DL1 dummy
> load that I?m also using for my external power readings.
>
> Any wise insights are most welcome!
>
> Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio!
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:28 PM, KY7K <ky7k at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I recently purchased a used K2 (Rev A) from a club that was not
>> working because it had been ?hooked up backward?. That is the best
>> anyone can remember as to what happened to the radio ~7 years ago?
>>
>> Currently, the power output as displayed on the radio and on an
>> external power meter is very unstable and does not match the power
>> setting desired. This is not just a little off, I can select 1W on
>> the radio and then hit the tune button 5 times and might get .4W,
>> 6.7W, HI-CUR, 9.0W, 1.2W. This is the QRP K2 with SSB, NB, KIO2 and
>> DSP options. The problem occurs with or without the option boards
>> installed.
>>
>> Background: When I first tested it, it would power on but the only
>> function that was operational was the power control. Every other
>> knob and button was non-functioning as if the cpu was hung up. The
>> radio was not transmitting in this state. I had a old CPU (U6) from
>> my other K2 that I installed as a test and that seemed to fix the
>> problem, at least in receive. I, unfortunately, did not test it in
>> transmit. I ordered a FWK2MCIO kit to get a new cpu and also
>> ordered all the mod kits for the Rev A to Rev B upgrade, once they
>> came in I installed everything and while performing the the
>> calibrations after the upgrade discovered that the transmit power
>> was very unstable between transmissions. Other than the bad U6, the
>> only other issue I found was that the PCB trace from pin 5 of the
>> Mic connector on the front panel board was basically missing, from
>> getting shorted to +12V I assume, it disintegrated when touched...
>>
>> I?ve narrowed the issue down to the control board, since if I swap
>> the control board from my working K2 into the bad radio the power
>> issue disappears. I?ve checked VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the
>> control board and they are all OK best I can tell, and I?m now at a
>> loss where to look next. Note: the power level is stable once it
>> settles on some random output power. The power level is random from
>> one transmission to the next.
>>
>> The following links are images showing a tune cycle. The first
>> image shows the full scan with the radio set to ~1W and actually
>> putting out ~.4W. The second image is zoomed in on the start of the
>> cycle.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i64sw2ue2405roe/k2_0_5w_full.png?dl=0
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe297am756igbd4/k2_0_5w_zoom.png?dl=0
>>
>> This is with the power set to ~7W and the radio indicating hi-cur,
>> before settling down to ~6.4W
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxzi3yk13gye4g/k2_hicur_full.png?dl=0
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qz10478zt66tjd/k2_hicur_zoom.png?dl=0
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio!

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Oct  5 04:27:43 2014
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 08:27:43 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of the
	Time...
In-Reply-To: <85A7B684-27A0-435A-A788-5CDBBC9ECCB3@mac.com>
References: <85A7B684-27A0-435A-A788-5CDBBC9ECCB3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9774C67C5F3743AE859D7D02AF22C308@DOUG1>

Phil,
    I have also experienced the KX3 going dead on fully charged batteries.
It seems that the only cure was to open up the KX3 remove and reinstall
batteries and also check cables to see that they are fully seated.    Then
things work again.    I have no idea why this should be and thankfully it
does not happen often.    In my case removing and reinstalling the batteries
seems to be a necessity almost as if it was allowing a power off reset.
This problem seems to occur after a battery charge cycle.    The problem is
thankfully rare but it puts a chill through my bones.

                 73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Hystad
Sent: 04 October 2014 23:38
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of the Time...

OK, Here's the thing...

My KX3 battery has operated flawlessly ever since I first built the KX3 and
put in the battery holder/charger feature.  One set of batteries being used
in portable QRP ops being discharged and recharged many times.  Then, I
decided to buy the 2-meter module option and install that.

I started the installation which included taking out all 8 batteries,
unplugging the battery connector that goes to the other half of the KX3 and
so on.  I get part way into the installation and discover that I cannot
finish the job because inductor L40 which has to move cannot physically move
at all.  So, I send it to Elecraft, they do the installation, they send the
unit back to me and everything is hunky-dory except for the battery
facility.

These are the symptoms.  Brand new batteries installed, and I operate the
KX3 with external power and make sure that the batteries are fully charged.
The VFO B Display shows BT voltage with a good charged level.  I turn the
KX3 off, disconnect external power, and go to turn on with battery power.
Nothing happens, just as if no batteries installed.

I replug external power, turn on KX3 using external power and check out the
various battery menu settings and so on.  This time, without unplugging
external power connector, I merely turn off the external power supply and
the KX3 continues operating nicely with battery power.  I do a number of
tests with CW key down into metered dummy load to check TX and a few other
things.  I think the problem solved.  I run on batteries all afternoon to
run them down.  Turning on external power I recharge the batteries back up
to an operating level.  I turn off KX3, disconnect external power, and turn
on KX3 and nothing happens just like before.  I fiddle with things a bit.  I
attempt to do what I did before that brought life back to the battery
feature but nothing happens.

I split open the KX3 and check the power plug.  I push in on it a little
bit.  I put the two halves loosely back together and then do a power on and
the KX3 comes alive on batteries.

I am thinking that I have a loose connection somewhere, maybe the battery
hookup plug that goes across to the other half.  

Anyone have problems with these connectors?  I am wondering if I just give
up on the battery thing and use my external Li -ion external batteries from
now on.

73, phil, K7PEH

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From PKA at telepost.gl  Sun Oct  5 06:03:44 2014
From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?Windows-1252?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:03:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -- turning it off
In-Reply-To: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>
References: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>
Message-ID: <D9D98331-3779-4D88-B2E7-CF733247A1CF@telepost.gl>

This would happen if pin-8 of the ACC connector is shorted when you hit the power button. The same thing happens when you send the PS0 command.
73/OZ4UN

> Den 05/10/2014 kl. 02.37 skrev "Michael James Hauan" <ac0g at hauan.org>:
> 
> Anyone have any ideas why, when I hit the power button to turn off my K3, it doesn?t turn off.  All markings disappear but the backlight stays on and hitting the power button thereafter does nothing. 
> 
> I have to resort to pulling the plug.  
> 
> On plugging it back in, the power comes on without hitting the power button.  
> 
> 73!
> 
> Michael James Hauan, AC?G
> -----------------------------------------
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From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 06:44:45 2014
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 06:44:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>

I have never been convinced of being accurate on zero-beat on my K3.
With previous radio units, I would zero-beat by matching the tone of the
received station with my own keying side-tone.  But it does not seem
accurate on the K3.

So the question:  How would I determine that my offset and side tone would
match up so that I am really zero-beated when I think I am.

Thanks ahead of time.

-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Sun Oct  5 06:55:04 2014
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 12:55:04 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
In-Reply-To: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54312388.6090203@xs4all.nl>

Hello Ted,

When I need to be on zero beat within one Hz,  I always switch on the 
spot on the K3 and set the received signal to the same volume.
Once I hear the combination of both increase and decrease slowly, I know 
that I am within a Hz. It's also the way I calibrate the K3 against a 
standard like WWV or the russian station on 9.996 / 14.996 (forgot the 
callsign).

73
Arie PA3A

Ted Edwards W3TB schreef op 5-10-2014 12:44:
> I have never been convinced of being accurate on zero-beat on my K3.
> With previous radio units, I would zero-beat by matching the tone of the
> received station with my own keying side-tone.  But it does not seem
> accurate on the K3.
>
> So the question:  How would I determine that my offset and side tone would
> match up so that I am really zero-beated when I think I am.
>
> Thanks ahead of time.
>


From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 07:21:47 2014
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 12:21:47 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of the
	Time...
In-Reply-To: <9774C67C5F3743AE859D7D02AF22C308@DOUG1>
References: <85A7B684-27A0-435A-A788-5CDBBC9ECCB3@mac.com>
	<9774C67C5F3743AE859D7D02AF22C308@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+Kw8N29uUrYtZ4G0HzP_kPf7gFa6zT26qO5jpbDq+yL8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've also had a situation where just one of the battery wires came adrift
from the plug that comes from the battery pack and goes into the other half
of the case.  The KX3 behaved very peculiarly for a while until I noticed
it and re-soldered (fiddly job).

Stephen G4SJP

On 5 October 2014 09:27, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:

> Phil,
>     I have also experienced the KX3 going dead on fully charged batteries.
> It seems that the only cure was to open up the KX3 remove and reinstall
> batteries and also check cables to see that they are fully seated.    Then
> things work again.    I have no idea why this should be and thankfully it
> does not happen often.    In my case removing and reinstalling the
> batteries
> seems to be a necessity almost as if it was allowing a power off reset.
> This problem seems to occur after a battery charge cycle.    The problem is
> thankfully rare but it puts a chill through my bones.
>
>                  73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
> Hystad
> Sent: 04 October 2014 23:38
> To: elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of the
> Time...
>
> OK, Here's the thing...
>
> My KX3 battery has operated flawlessly ever since I first built the KX3 and
> put in the battery holder/charger feature.  One set of batteries being used
> in portable QRP ops being discharged and recharged many times.  Then, I
> decided to buy the 2-meter module option and install that.
>
> I started the installation which included taking out all 8 batteries,
> unplugging the battery connector that goes to the other half of the KX3 and
> so on.  I get part way into the installation and discover that I cannot
> finish the job because inductor L40 which has to move cannot physically
> move
> at all.  So, I send it to Elecraft, they do the installation, they send the
> unit back to me and everything is hunky-dory except for the battery
> facility.
>
> These are the symptoms.  Brand new batteries installed, and I operate the
> KX3 with external power and make sure that the batteries are fully charged.
> The VFO B Display shows BT voltage with a good charged level.  I turn the
> KX3 off, disconnect external power, and go to turn on with battery power.
> Nothing happens, just as if no batteries installed.
>
> I replug external power, turn on KX3 using external power and check out the
> various battery menu settings and so on.  This time, without unplugging
> external power connector, I merely turn off the external power supply and
> the KX3 continues operating nicely with battery power.  I do a number of
> tests with CW key down into metered dummy load to check TX and a few other
> things.  I think the problem solved.  I run on batteries all afternoon to
> run them down.  Turning on external power I recharge the batteries back up
> to an operating level.  I turn off KX3, disconnect external power, and turn
> on KX3 and nothing happens just like before.  I fiddle with things a bit.
> I
> attempt to do what I did before that brought life back to the battery
> feature but nothing happens.
>
> I split open the KX3 and check the power plug.  I push in on it a little
> bit.  I put the two halves loosely back together and then do a power on and
> the KX3 comes alive on batteries.
>
> I am thinking that I have a loose connection somewhere, maybe the battery
> hookup plug that goes across to the other half.
>
> Anyone have problems with these connectors?  I am wondering if I just give
> up on the battery thing and use my external Li -ion external batteries from
> now on.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sun Oct  5 07:49:40 2014
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:49:40 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
In-Reply-To: <54312388.6090203@xs4all.nl>
References: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54312388.6090203@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <54313054.9010705@horizon.co.fk>

Any particular reason to need to zero beat to 1Hz?  I find the auto tune 
function works perfectly well.  In fact if I'm one of many stations 
calling I often offset 40-50Hz so as to be different from the all zero 
beat mush.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 05/10/2014 07:55, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Hello Ted,
>
> When I need to be on zero beat within one Hz,  I always switch on the
> spot on the K3 and set the received signal to the same volume.
> Once I hear the combination of both increase and decrease slowly, I know
> that I am within a Hz. It's also the way I calibrate the K3 against a
> standard like WWV or the russian station on 9.996 / 14.996 (forgot the
> callsign).
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
> Ted Edwards W3TB schreef op 5-10-2014 12:44:
>> I have never been convinced of being accurate on zero-beat on my K3.
>> With previous radio units, I would zero-beat by matching the tone of the
>> received station with my own keying side-tone.  But it does not seem
>> accurate on the K3.
>>
>> So the question:  How would I determine that my offset and side tone
>> would
>> match up so that I am really zero-beated when I think I am.
>>
>> Thanks ahead of time.

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Oct  5 07:59:06 2014
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 04:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
In-Reply-To: <54313054.9010705@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54312388.6090203@xs4all.nl> <54313054.9010705@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <1412510346.15985.1.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

HI,
In a pileup, I ALWAYS move off zero beat, so if I transmit, I don't
cover the DX station in the event I transmit on top of him/her.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
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On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 08:49 -0300, Mike Harris wrote:
> Any particular reason to need to zero beat to 1Hz?  I find the auto tune 
> function works perfectly well.  In fact if I'm one of many stations 
> calling I often offset 40-50Hz so as to be different from the all zero 
> beat mush.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> On 05/10/2014 07:55, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> > Hello Ted,
> >
> > When I need to be on zero beat within one Hz,  I always switch on the
> > spot on the K3 and set the received signal to the same volume.
> > Once I hear the combination of both increase and decrease slowly, I know
> > that I am within a Hz. It's also the way I calibrate the K3 against a
> > standard like WWV or the russian station on 9.996 / 14.996 (forgot the
> > callsign).
> >
> > 73
> > Arie PA3A
> >
> > Ted Edwards W3TB schreef op 5-10-2014 12:44:
> >> I have never been convinced of being accurate on zero-beat on my K3.
> >> With previous radio units, I would zero-beat by matching the tone of the
> >> received station with my own keying side-tone.  But it does not seem
> >> accurate on the K3.
> >>
> >> So the question:  How would I determine that my offset and side tone
> >> would
> >> match up so that I am really zero-beated when I think I am.
> >>
> >> Thanks ahead of time.
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From neilz at techie.com  Sun Oct  5 08:22:09 2014
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX3 with WSJT-X & DXLAB Commander
In-Reply-To: <5431365E.4080102@techie.com>
References: <5431365E.4080102@techie.com>
Message-ID: <543137F1.7010105@techie.com>

Joe,

You're probably right ... I'm going to do some rearrangement of the 
wiring, ensure proper ground, then see what happens.   I've also moved 
back to the release candidate v1.4.0-RC2, as I've been using a local 
build built from the sources.

73,

Neil
KB3TVU

On 10/05/14 08:15 am, Neil Zampella wrote:
> Subject:
> Re: [Elecraft] Using a KX3 with WSJT-X & DXLAB Commander
> From:
> "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> Date:
> 10/04/14 07:54 pm
>
> To:
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
>
>
> I've used WSJT-X with Commander and the K3 and *never* seen a hang in
> transmit.  The K3 and KX3 use the same commands for T/R switching (*ALL*
> rigs use the same T/R switching commands from WSJT-X when using DXLab
> Suite Commander - with Commander doing the translation from WSJT-X
> commands to the rig specific command).
>
> I would look carefully for RF issues - when using software commands, it
> is very easy for RF to scramble the TX OFF serial command.  That issue
> is particularly likely with a continuous carrier mode like JT65/JT9.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-04 7:37 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is anyone else using the same type of combination of software with the
> KX3?  I'm using the KXUSB cable to control CAT, and an external USB
> soundcard directly hooked to the KX3.
>
> My issue is that I'm seeing some times when the KX3 does switch out of
> transmit at the end of the JT9 period of 50 seconds.    This doesn't
> happen often, but it has happened the past two nights.  One night the
> KX3 was being used for over an hour and a half, and tonight for less
> than 10 minutes.
>
> The developer and I have been exchanging logs, and have somewhat
> eliminated WSJT-X as the cause, so we're starting to look at Commander,
> to see if its the culprit.    Having someone else seeing the same issue
> would assist  in tracking down this bug, if indeed its a bug in the
> software and not a problem with CAT control of the KX3.
>
>   ... and if I'm the only one seeing this, I need to eliminate any short
> between the headsets .. hi hi.
>
> 73,
>
> Neil Z
> KB3TVU
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From brian at chirpytom.plus.com  Sun Oct  5 08:45:45 2014
From: brian at chirpytom.plus.com (Brian North)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 13:45:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Inscribe
Message-ID: <763D1294-0044-4221-9F47-499B7BD6FA3A@chirpytom.plus.com>

Please remove me from this list, Thankyou.

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From phystad at mac.com  Sun Oct  5 09:28:35 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 06:28:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of
	the	Time...
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+Kw8N29uUrYtZ4G0HzP_kPf7gFa6zT26qO5jpbDq+yL8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85A7B684-27A0-435A-A788-5CDBBC9ECCB3@mac.com>
	<9774C67C5F3743AE859D7D02AF22C308@DOUG1>
	<CA+vZ_+Kw8N29uUrYtZ4G0HzP_kPf7gFa6zT26qO5jpbDq+yL8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F428E13-DDD3-4708-93F9-AD121BEC695E@mac.com>

Stephen, and Doug:

Yes, I suspect the plug to be the culprit here since once I fixed the problem merely
by tightening and pushing in on the plug itself.  I will take a closer look this afternoon.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Oct 5, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Stephen Prior <eastbrantwood at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've also had a situation where just one of the battery wires came adrift
> from the plug that comes from the battery pack and goes into the other half
> of the case.  The KX3 behaved very peculiarly for a while until I noticed
> it and re-soldered (fiddly job).
> 
> Stephen G4SJP
> 
> On 5 October 2014 09:27, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
>> Phil,
>>    I have also experienced the KX3 going dead on fully charged batteries.
>> It seems that the only cure was to open up the KX3 remove and reinstall
>> batteries and also check cables to see that they are fully seated.    Then
>> things work again.    I have no idea why this should be and thankfully it
>> does not happen often.    In my case removing and reinstalling the
>> batteries
>> seems to be a necessity almost as if it was allowing a power off reset.
>> This problem seems to occur after a battery charge cycle.    The problem is
>> thankfully rare but it puts a chill through my bones.
>> 
>>                 73 Doug EI2CN
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
>> Hystad
>> Sent: 04 October 2014 23:38
>> To: elecraft
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Supply Inoperative 42 Percent of the
>> Time...
>> 
>> OK, Here's the thing...
>> 
>> My KX3 battery has operated flawlessly ever since I first built the KX3 and
>> put in the battery holder/charger feature.  One set of batteries being used
>> in portable QRP ops being discharged and recharged many times.  Then, I
>> decided to buy the 2-meter module option and install that.
>> 
>> I started the installation which included taking out all 8 batteries,
>> unplugging the battery connector that goes to the other half of the KX3 and
>> so on.  I get part way into the installation and discover that I cannot
>> finish the job because inductor L40 which has to move cannot physically
>> move
>> at all.  So, I send it to Elecraft, they do the installation, they send the
>> unit back to me and everything is hunky-dory except for the battery
>> facility.
>> 
>> These are the symptoms.  Brand new batteries installed, and I operate the
>> KX3 with external power and make sure that the batteries are fully charged.
>> The VFO B Display shows BT voltage with a good charged level.  I turn the
>> KX3 off, disconnect external power, and go to turn on with battery power.
>> Nothing happens, just as if no batteries installed.
>> 
>> I replug external power, turn on KX3 using external power and check out the
>> various battery menu settings and so on.  This time, without unplugging
>> external power connector, I merely turn off the external power supply and
>> the KX3 continues operating nicely with battery power.  I do a number of
>> tests with CW key down into metered dummy load to check TX and a few other
>> things.  I think the problem solved.  I run on batteries all afternoon to
>> run them down.  Turning on external power I recharge the batteries back up
>> to an operating level.  I turn off KX3, disconnect external power, and turn
>> on KX3 and nothing happens just like before.  I fiddle with things a bit.
>> I
>> attempt to do what I did before that brought life back to the battery
>> feature but nothing happens.
>> 
>> I split open the KX3 and check the power plug.  I push in on it a little
>> bit.  I put the two halves loosely back together and then do a power on and
>> the KX3 comes alive on batteries.
>> 
>> I am thinking that I have a loose connection somewhere, maybe the battery
>> hookup plug that goes across to the other half.
>> 
>> Anyone have problems with these connectors?  I am wondering if I just give
>> up on the battery thing and use my external Li -ion external batteries from
>> now on.
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3/10
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct  5 09:35:31 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and
 very unstable between transmissions
In-Reply-To: <8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>
References: <zHUx1o00345oxQM01HUyiK>
	<8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <54314923.9070702@embarqmail.com>

Steve,

If "hooked up backwards" means that the DC power was connected with 
reverse polarity, that will normally cause no harm to the K2 because 
there is a series reverse voltage protection diode in the input power 
line.  The burned trace on the mic jack pin 5 suggests that something 
different happened to it.

Try replacing D9 with a 1N5711 diode and see what happens.  The power 
output into a good dummy load will normally be within 0.2 watts of the 
set power if all is working right.  You older K2 has a 1N34 diode at D9 
and it is not as accurate over the full frequency range as the 1N5711.

If you have not done so already, record the menu settings, especially 
the filter settings and do a Master Reset (hold the 4, 5, and 6 buttons 
in while powering the K2 on).  Then run CAL PLL and restore the menu 
settings.  The fact that the problem goes away if you swap control 
boards suggests that there may be some problem with the EEPROM contents, 
and a Master Reset should 'clean it out'.

Set CAL CUR to 3.50 instead of 2.50 and see if the HiCur messages go 
away.  If they continue, you may have to replace the PA transistors.  
Another thing to check is the DC voltage at the base of Q7 and Q8 during 
a TUNE - it should be in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts.  If not, 
replace Q11 and Q13.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2014 1:36 AM, KY7K wrote:
> I forgot to mention that all testing is into a known good DL1 dummy load that I?m also using for my external power readings.
>
> Any wise insights are most welcome!
>
> Steve - KY7K
> ky7k at arrl.net
> Get OUT and play radio!
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:28 PM, KY7K <ky7k at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I recently purchased a used K2 (Rev A) from a club that was not working because it had been ?hooked up backward?. That is the best anyone can remember as to what happened to the radio ~7 years ago?
>>
>> Currently, the power output as displayed on the radio and on an external power meter is very unstable and does not match the power setting desired. This is not just a little off, I can select 1W on the radio and then hit the tune button 5 times and might get .4W, 6.7W, HI-CUR, 9.0W, 1.2W.
>> This is the QRP K2 with SSB, NB, KIO2 and DSP options. The problem occurs with or without the option boards installed.
>>
>> Background:
>> When I first tested it, it would power on but the only function that was operational was the power control. Every other knob and button was non-functioning as if the cpu was hung up. The radio was not transmitting in this state.
>> I had a old CPU (U6) from my other K2 that I installed as a test and that seemed to fix the problem, at least in receive. I, unfortunately, did not test it in transmit.
>> I ordered a FWK2MCIO kit to get a new cpu and also ordered all the mod kits for the Rev A to Rev B upgrade, once they came in I installed everything and while performing the the calibrations after the upgrade discovered that the transmit power was very unstable between transmissions.
>> Other than the bad U6, the only other issue I found was that the PCB trace from pin 5 of the Mic connector on the front panel board was basically missing, from getting shorted to +12V I assume, it disintegrated when touched...
>>
>> I?ve narrowed the issue down to the control board, since if I swap the control board from my working K2 into the bad radio the power issue disappears.
>> I?ve checked VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the control board and they are all OK best I can tell, and I?m now at a loss where to look next.
>> Note: the power level is stable once it settles on some random output power. The power level is random from one transmission to the next.
>>
>> The following links are images showing a tune cycle.
>> The first image shows the full scan with the radio set to ~1W and actually putting out ~.4W. The second image is zoomed in on the start of the cycle.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i64sw2ue2405roe/k2_0_5w_full.png?dl=0
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe297am756igbd4/k2_0_5w_zoom.png?dl=0
>>
>> This is with the power set to ~7W and the radio indicating hi-cur, before settling down to ~6.4W
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxzi3yk13gye4g/k2_hicur_full.png?dl=0
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qz10478zt66tjd/k2_hicur_zoom.png?dl=0
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve - KY7K
>> ky7k at arrl.net
>> Get OUT and play radio!
>>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct  5 09:46:16 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:46:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
In-Reply-To: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54314BA8.6000903@embarqmail.com>

Ted,

Is the value you have set in PITCH the same as the audio frequency you 
are listening at?  If so, the SPOT feature should be quite accurate.
Actually, between the CWT indicator and the Auto-Spot feature of the K3, 
it is easy to get within a Hz or two.  Auto-Spot may not work well in 
very crowded band conditions unless you narrow the filter width.  Also, 
you should be tuned within 20 Hz or less for Auto-Spot to work effectively.

If you are matching the tones with your ears, unless you have perfect 
pitch, adjust the amplitude of the sidetone and the signal to be near 
equal and listen for the WOW, WOW, WOW tone to slow to zero.  That will 
assure you of zero beat.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2014 6:44 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote:
> I have never been convinced of being accurate on zero-beat on my K3.
> With previous radio units, I would zero-beat by matching the tone of the
> received station with my own keying side-tone.  But it does not seem
> accurate on the K3.
>
> So the question:  How would I determine that my offset and side tone would
> match up so that I am really zero-beated when I think I am.
>
> Thanks ahead of time.
>


From hsvdds at juno.com  Sun Oct  5 09:50:11 2014
From: hsvdds at juno.com (Hugh Valentine)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 13:50:11 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 HI RFI  NO Power output.  ATU.
Message-ID: <20141005.095011.19471.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

Anybody Help??? Problem originated on 6M(affects all bands) when ATU was being used to Tweak SWR from 2.4 to 1.0:1. ATU constantly moved up and down tuning, never resting on 1.0:1Power output was intermittent(100W) would go to zero then back to 100 as ATU was looking for match.  Then, HI SWR,  RFI scrolls across screen as no power is coming out of K3.  Affects Ant 1 and Ant 2 SO239s on back of chassis.  Affects with RX antenna unplugged.  Any Band, any Mode.  Either VFO A or B.  Run both w/Antennas or Dummy Load.  Same result. Finally,  HI SWR, HI Cur, RFI scrolls across screen after power goes above 12W.(Never shows ANY power on the LED screen, only one Bar each time I transmit. Uploaded new Firmware and reset K3. On all bands...with or without ATU(eventually uninstalled it) on any antenna or on Dummy Load,  Rig shows Zero Power output as I go from 0-12.5 W then at any power over 12 Watts, the RX makes a variable warbling noise and normal receive is bypassed.  After a few seconds, the RX may come back on. I just installed a K9AY RX system not too far from XMIT ant.  But have been using it all bands no problem for 2 months. ATU always has difficulties matching low SWR on 160 and 6M. Any suggestions as to what is gong on?Anyone experience this before?  73ValN4RJ  
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct  5 10:00:16 2014
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -- turning it off
In-Reply-To: <c5613alou0l1r99icimgoo79iigc482thg@4ax.com>
References: <BF427601-7118-40DD-8CFF-1BBD15B4E799@hauan.org>
	<c5613alou0l1r99icimgoo79iigc482thg@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <dlj23a5esu9qq0n7nbs1o38e9e7llsri8e@4ax.com>

Oops - I meant MONDAY morning.  I'm on vacation, and it's easy to lose
track of what day of the week it is.

73,
matt W6NIA


On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:05:23 -0600, you wrote:

>Sounds like the big FET that switches power might have failed closed.
>
>Best thing - call Support in the morning and report the symptoms.  If
>this is repeatable, they'll issue an RSA (RMA?) and the factory will
>fix it for you (free, if under warranty).
>
>73,
>matt
>W6NIA
>
>On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:36:48 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Anyone have any ideas why, when I hit the power button to turn off my K3, it doesn?t turn off.  All markings disappear but the backlight stays on and hitting the power button thereafter does nothing. 
>>
>>I have to resort to pulling the plug.  
>>
>>On plugging it back in, the power comes on without hitting the power button.  
>>
>>73!
>>
>>Michael James Hauan, AC?G
>>-----------------------------------------
>>ac0g at hauan.org
>>ac0g at winlink.org
>>573-823-7114 (c)
>>
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From nwgarner at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 11:08:11 2014
From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 08:08:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob
In-Reply-To: <D055D471.7E04%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D055D471.7E04%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <CADYUFZO7mYD+Q6NUH5Ezj=Xe=WCnhNpgz-p_0i=_Ru6Lut4RGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ted,
On the back of the P3 are two 9-pin serial ports, labeled PC and XCVR.  You
would connected the Knob to the PC port of the P3 and then the XCVR port of
the P3 to the K3.  The P3 will proxy the serial data between the Knob and
the K3.

73,
Nick
N3WG

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> I know the Pig Knob has been discussed on this reflector before, but I
> wanted to post a note about it and he who produces it - Nick, N3WG.  I
> hooked the knob up right out of the box and --- it did nothing, with
> either my K3 or  KX3.  Many efforts at redoing (and following Nick?s
> excellent You Tube videos) resulted in more nothing.  So I sent Nick an
> e-mail.  It turns out that the problem was, to use the euphemism, operator
> error.  I will spare everyone my recounting the embarrassing details.  But
> it is now working exactly as advertised.  Most important, Nick responded
> within twenty minutes to my e-mail, helpfully and with assurances that
> we?d get it right.  Great service - suitable for those of us accustomed to
> the same from Elecraft.
>
> A question for those who have used the Pig Knob with the K3:  can it be
> connected simultaneously with the P3 using a serial-Y connector from the
> K3?s RS-232 port?  Anyone experience any problems doing that?
>
> I have yet to try to set my own configurations for the device.  When I do
> I will surely have more questions . . .
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Sun Oct  5 11:54:03 2014
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 17:54:03 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
In-Reply-To: <54313054.9010705@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>	<54312388.6090203@xs4all.nl>
	<54313054.9010705@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <5431699B.4050205@xs4all.nl>

Mike,

Only when calibrating the K3 freq I tune within one Hz. Performing the 
Ref-Cal.
That's all.

73
Arie PA3A



Mike Harris schreef op 5-10-2014 13:49:
> Any particular reason to need to zero beat to 1Hz?  I find the auto 
> tune function works perfectly well.  In fact if I'm one of many 
> stations calling I often offset 40-50Hz so as to be different from the 
> all zero beat mush.
>
> Regards,
>


From phils at riousa.com  Sun Oct  5 12:15:13 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:15:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <845DD47C-D650-4F87-80FD-62DB0E716C4F@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets today at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  Hope to see you there.

73,
Phil, NS7P


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sun Oct  5 12:20:20 2014
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 13:20:20 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Zero-beating on CW
In-Reply-To: <5431699B.4050205@xs4all.nl>
References: <CAGhFmTgDU+EXJwSGq2rzAmAax+jUz+4rdbvqE0HOUX4S=mf8dw@mail.gmail.com>	<54312388.6090203@xs4all.nl>	<54313054.9010705@horizon.co.fk>
	<5431699B.4050205@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <54316FC4.8040402@horizon.co.fk>

OK that is a different issue to that which I think many folks understood 
from your original comment.  I don't find zero beating WWV to be a 
problem when trimming up the TCXO calibration, the wow, wow wow is easy 
to detect and fine tune.  Indeed, it is a regular requirement, not a do 
once and forget issue, assuming it is ever done in the first instance 
after a kit build.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 05/10/2014 12:54, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Only when calibrating the K3 freq I tune within one Hz. Performing the
> Ref-Cal.
> That's all.
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
>
>
> Mike Harris schreef op 5-10-2014 13:49:
>> Any particular reason to need to zero beat to 1Hz?  I find the auto
>> tune function works perfectly well.  In fact if I'm one of many
>> stations calling I often offset 40-50Hz so as to be different from the
>> all zero beat mush.
>>
>> Regards,

From aldermant at windstream.net  Sun Oct  5 13:09:12 2014
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 13:09:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 HI RFI  NO Power output.  ATU.
In-Reply-To: <20141005.095011.19471.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20141005.095011.19471.1@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <014501cfe0bf$1687fd20$4397f760$@windstream.net>

One should NEVER try to get a tuner to get a match with a load when you are
running high power, i.e., your 100 watts. The quickest way to blow out your
PIN diodes (or any T/R switching diode) is to subject them to the very high
reverse voltage when you have a bad match. In all likelihood, your antenna
switching diodes are blown. 
Good luck and 73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hugh
Valentine
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:50 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 HI RFI NO Power output. ATU.

Anybody Help??? Problem originated on 6M(affects all bands) when ATU was
being used to Tweak SWR from 2.4 to 1.0:1. ATU constantly moved up and down
tuning, never resting on 1.0:1Power output was intermittent(100W) would go
to zero then back to 100 as ATU was looking for match.  Then, HI SWR,  RFI
scrolls across screen as no power is coming out of K3.  Affects Ant 1 and
Ant 2 SO239s on back of chassis.  Affects with RX antenna unplugged.  Any
Band, any Mode.  Either VFO A or B.  Run both w/Antennas or Dummy Load.
Same result. Finally,  HI SWR, HI Cur, RFI scrolls across screen after power
goes above 12W.(Never shows ANY power on the LED screen, only one Bar each
time I transmit. Uploaded new Firmware and reset K3. On all bands...with or
without ATU(eventually uninstalled it) on any antenna or on Dummy Load,  Rig
shows Zero Power output as I go from 0-12.5 W then at any power over 12
Watts, the RX makes a variable warbling noise and normal receive is
bypassed.  After a few se  conds, the RX may come back on. I just installed
a K9AY RX system not too far from XMIT ant.  But have been using it all
bands no problem for 2 months. ATU always has difficulties matching low SWR
on 160 and 6M. Any suggestions as to what is gong on?Anyone experience this
before?  73ValN4RJ
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct  5 14:41:56 2014
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:41:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <543190F4.9090508@coho.net>

Good Morning,
    After a pleasant week of wood processing my hands are tired. 
Hopefully a few aspirin an hour before each net will help alleviate the 
pain. Please forgive any sending errors I may have.

Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-

From Dave at dpomeroy.com  Sun Oct  5 15:48:19 2014
From: Dave at dpomeroy.com (Dave at dpomeroy.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:48:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat100
Message-ID: <1412538499.5431a083965b3@webmail.dpomeroy.com>

Static got the diodes in the k2 100watt amp. Could they also get the diodes in
the kat100. If the kat100 d1 I & d2 blow will the tuner still try to tune only
not arrive at a low swr?

From bwruble at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 17:36:41 2014
From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 17:36:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig for
 remotely controlling K3.
Message-ID: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All:

The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
systems, and cities.  In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.  I was operating my remote gear as a
test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.

I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.  I am able
to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick tick,
about 2 per second.

In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear --- the
radio and the control end.  It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
mini.  Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.

If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the RR,
the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
line from the RemoteRig to my PC.

This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick tick
--- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.

All ideas gratefully accepted.

73 de Brian W3BW

*Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct  5 17:56:22 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 17:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat100
In-Reply-To: <1412538499.5431a083965b3@webmail.dpomeroy.com>
References: <1412538499.5431a083965b3@webmail.dpomeroy.com>
Message-ID: <5431BE86.70701@embarqmail.com>

Yes, the KAt100will still try to tune.  The SWR it reports will be 
woefully inaccurate, and is likely a 'crazy' reading.  Check the diodes 
with an ohmmeter, or alternately measure the resistance between U5 pin 3 
and ground, and also U5 pin 5 and ground.  Both should measure between 
40k and 50k if the diodes are good and the forward and reverse pots are 
adjusted anywhere near correct.
Don't forget to check the nulling (or balance) of the capacitor and the 
calibration of the wattmeter for forward power and reverse power as 
instructed in the manual after replacing the diodes.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2014 3:48 PM, Dave at dpomeroy.com wrote:
> Static got the diodes in the k2 100watt amp. Could they also get the diodes in
> the kat100. If the kat100 d1 I & d2 blow will the tuner still try to tune only
> not arrive at a low swr?
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct  5 18:02:02 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 18:02:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
 for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5431BFDA.6020608@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

If it goes away when you unplug the line from the RR box to the K3/0, 
then --
That sounds suspiciously like a Remote Rig problem.  I would recommend 
contacting the support folks at Remote Rig for ideas on the cause and 
solution.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2014 5:36 PM, Brian F. Wruble wrote:
> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the RR,
> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
>
>


From droese at necg.de  Sun Oct  5 18:15:40 2014
From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:15:40 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
 for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5431C30C.8000606@necg.de>


Hi Brian,

I have never heard anybody complaining about my signal having a ticking 
noise. But, when I power down the K3/0 mini I hear it, too, and quite 
loud. It goes away as soon as I disconnect my mic from the mini! No 
matter if using the front socket or the 3,5 mm socket. As soon as a mic 
is plugged in and the mini is turned off there's ticking. Must be 
something in the mini itself (or the mini in conjunction the the RR 
controller) as I did not have it when I still had the old PCBs inside 
(before the swap against the new ones with a display readable when tilted).

Can you confirm the ticking goes away in your setup when you un-plug the 
mic? That might give Elecraft a hint for trouble shooting.

Tnx & 73, Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 05.10.2014 23:36, schrieb Brian F. Wruble:
> Hi All:
>
> The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
> systems, and cities.  In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
> ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
> could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.  I was operating my remote gear as a
> test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.
>
> I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.  I am able
> to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick tick,
> about 2 per second.
>
> In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear --- the
> radio and the control end.  It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
> mini.  Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.
>
> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the RR,
> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
>
> This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
> And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick tick
> --- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.
>
> All ideas gratefully accepted.
>
> 73 de Brian W3BW
>
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct  5 18:19:17 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (K4ia via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
	for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE71FDD6-AC03-4A19-A682-31A042AD8DDC@aol.com>

USB or serial port polling?  Try a different adapter or one that uses an optoisolater   

Craig Buck

> On Oct 5, 2014, at 5:36 PM, "Brian F. Wruble" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
> systems, and cities.  In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
> ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
> could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.  I was operating my remote gear as a
> test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.
> 
> I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.  I am able
> to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick tick,
> about 2 per second.
> 
> In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear --- the
> radio and the control end.  It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
> mini.  Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.
> 
> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the RR,
> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
> 
> This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
> And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick tick
> --- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.
> 
> All ideas gratefully accepted.
> 
> 73 de Brian W3BW
> 
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct  5 18:26:40 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 22:26:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to
	RemoteRig	for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <FE71FDD6-AC03-4A19-A682-31A042AD8DDC@aol.com>
References: <FE71FDD6-AC03-4A19-A682-31A042AD8DDC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <277394421.337393.1412548000387.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106135.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

It's the K3 Clock - 73 Ken K5DNL
 

     On Sunday, October 5, 2014 5:19 PM, K4ia via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
   

 USB or serial port polling?? Try a different adapter or one that uses an optoisolater? 

Craig Buck

> On Oct 5, 2014, at 5:36 PM, "Brian F. Wruble" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
> systems, and cities.? In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
> ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
> could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.? I was operating my remote gear as a
> test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.
> 
> I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.? I am able
> to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick tick,
> about 2 per second.
> 
> In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear --- the
> radio and the control end.? It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
> mini.? Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.
> 
> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.? With power to the RR,
> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.? It persists if I unplug the USB
> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
> 
> This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
> And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick tick
> --- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.
> 
> All ideas gratefully accepted.
> 
> 73 de Brian W3BW
> 
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From droese at necg.de  Sun Oct  5 18:30:01 2014
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?B?T2xpdmVyIERyw7ZzZQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 00:30:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
 for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <277394421.337393.1412548000387.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106135.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <FE71FDD6-AC03-4A19-A682-31A042AD8DDC@aol.com>
	<277394421.337393.1412548000387.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106135.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5431C669.8000001@necg.de>


I doubt there's a clock in the K3/0 mini ...

73, Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 06.10.2014 00:26, schrieb Ken Roberson via Elecraft:
> It's the K3 Clock - 73 Ken K5DNL
>   
>
>       On Sunday, October 5, 2014 5:19 PM, K4ia via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>     
>
>   USB or serial port polling?  Try a different adapter or one that uses an optoisolater
>
> Craig Buck
>
>> On Oct 5, 2014, at 5:36 PM, "Brian F. Wruble" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
>> systems, and cities.  In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
>> ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
>> could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.  I was operating my remote gear as a
>> test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.
>>
>> I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.  I am able
>> to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick tick,
>> about 2 per second.
>>
>> In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear --- the
>> radio and the control end.  It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
>> mini.  Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.
>>
>> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the RR,
>> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
>> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
>> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
>> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
>> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
>>
>> This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
>> And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick tick
>> --- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.
>>
>> All ideas gratefully accepted.
>>
>> 73 de Brian W3BW
>>
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From bwruble at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 21:40:48 2014
From: bwruble at gmail.com (bwruble at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 21:40:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
	for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <5431C30C.8000606@necg.de>
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5431C30C.8000606@necg.de>
Message-ID: <9075EEF9-6ABB-4A48-B164-D53843023FB0@gmail.com>

No, mine persists with mike unplugged. The only thing that kills it is unplugging the "TTL" plug on the front of the Remote Rig. 



Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
From my iPad


> On Oct 5, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Oliver Dr?se <droese at necg.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I have never heard anybody complaining about my signal having a ticking noise. But, when I power down the K3/0 mini I hear it, too, and quite loud. It goes away as soon as I disconnect my mic from the mini! No matter if using the front socket or the 3,5 mm socket. As soon as a mic is plugged in and the mini is turned off there's ticking. Must be something in the mini itself (or the mini in conjunction the the RR controller) as I did not have it when I still had the old PCBs inside (before the swap against the new ones with a display readable when tilted).
> 
> Can you confirm the ticking goes away in your setup when you un-plug the mic? That might give Elecraft a hint for trouble shooting.
> 
> Tnx & 73, Olli - DH8BQA
> 
> Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
> 
> 
> Am 05.10.2014 23:36, schrieb Brian F. Wruble:
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
>> systems, and cities.  In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
>> ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
>> could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.  I was operating my remote gear as a
>> test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.
>> 
>> I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.  I am able
>> to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick tick,
>> about 2 per second.
>> 
>> In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear --- the
>> radio and the control end.  It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
>> mini.  Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.
>> 
>> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the RR,
>> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
>> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
>> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
>> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
>> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
>> 
>> This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
>> And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick tick
>> --- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.
>> 
>> All ideas gratefully accepted.
>> 
>> 73 de Brian W3BW
>> 
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ky7k at cox.net  Mon Oct  6 01:44:48 2014
From: ky7k at cox.net (KY7K)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 22:44:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and
	very unstable between transmissions
In-Reply-To: <zRbX1o0130Cq0JM01RbZUy>
References: <zHUx1o00345oxQM01HUyiK>
	<8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>
	<zRbX1o0130Cq0JM01RbZUy>
Message-ID: <87036AF4-273B-4529-8793-6B01B1761939@cox.net>

Don, 
Thank you for your recommendations.

D9 is a 1N5711 and checks OK.

A full reset made no difference.

Setting CAL CUR to 3.5 reduces the frequency of the HI-CUR messages, however with the power control maxed it will still show up sometimes. Note that when the HI-CUR occurs it is only for a second, after which the power drops down to some random stable level.

Base of Q7 and Q8 are between .60 and .64 volts


While adjusting the power control with the radio in receive the power shown on the display changes very smoothly as it should. However, if the power control is adjusted while transmitting the power shown on the LCD display and the LED bar graph jumps all over the place. The bar graph does show that the power is increasing and decreasing overall as it should, what I mean by that is the bar graph shows 4-5 bars of ?noise? while adjusting the power in transmit, but the overall direction of the ?noise? goes up or down in the correct direction if you were to average the ?noise?.

Another test I made, however I?m not sure it is valid, was to control VPWR manually by lifting R22 where is meets C45 and inserting a control voltage on the lifted end of R22. In this mode the power is stable and varies smoothly as the external control voltage is varied. 
The power output is also stable from tune cycle to tune cycle in this test.
I question the validity of this test because VPWR and VALC are already setup and stable prior to transmitting, unlike they normally would.


Steve - KY7K
ky7k at arrl.net
Get OUT and play radio!

On Oct 5, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> If "hooked up backwards" means that the DC power was connected with
> reverse polarity, that will normally cause no harm to the K2 because
> there is a series reverse voltage protection diode in the input power
> line.  The burned trace on the mic jack pin 5 suggests that something
> different happened to it.
> 
> Try replacing D9 with a 1N5711 diode and see what happens.  The power
> output into a good dummy load will normally be within 0.2 watts of the
> set power if all is working right.  You older K2 has a 1N34 diode at D9
> and it is not as accurate over the full frequency range as the 1N5711.
> 
> If you have not done so already, record the menu settings, especially
> the filter settings and do a Master Reset (hold the 4, 5, and 6 buttons
> in while powering the K2 on).  Then run CAL PLL and restore the menu
> settings.  The fact that the problem goes away if you swap control
> boards suggests that there may be some problem with the EEPROM contents,
> and a Master Reset should 'clean it out'.
> 
> Set CAL CUR to 3.50 instead of 2.50 and see if the HiCur messages go
> away.  If they continue, you may have to replace the PA transistors.
> Another thing to check is the DC voltage at the base of Q7 and Q8 during
> a TUNE - it should be in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts.  If not,
> replace Q11 and Q13.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/5/2014 1:36 AM, KY7K wrote:
>> I forgot to mention that all testing is into a known good DL1 dummy load that I?m also using for my external power readings.
>> 
>> Any wise insights are most welcome!
>> 
>> Steve - KY7K
>> ky7k at arrl.net
>> Get OUT and play radio!
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:28 PM, KY7K <ky7k at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I recently purchased a used K2 (Rev A) from a club that was not working because it had been ?hooked up backward?. That is the best anyone can remember as to what happened to the radio ~7 years ago?
>>> 
>>> Currently, the power output as displayed on the radio and on an external power meter is very unstable and does not match the power setting desired. This is not just a little off, I can select 1W on the radio and then hit the tune button 5 times and might get .4W, 6.7W, HI-CUR, 9.0W, 1.2W.
>>> This is the QRP K2 with SSB, NB, KIO2 and DSP options. The problem occurs with or without the option boards installed.
>>> 
>>> Background:
>>> When I first tested it, it would power on but the only function that was operational was the power control. Every other knob and button was non-functioning as if the cpu was hung up. The radio was not transmitting in this state.
>>> I had a old CPU (U6) from my other K2 that I installed as a test and that seemed to fix the problem, at least in receive. I, unfortunately, did not test it in transmit.
>>> I ordered a FWK2MCIO kit to get a new cpu and also ordered all the mod kits for the Rev A to Rev B upgrade, once they came in I installed everything and while performing the the calibrations after the upgrade discovered that the transmit power was very unstable between transmissions.
>>> Other than the bad U6, the only other issue I found was that the PCB trace from pin 5 of the Mic connector on the front panel board was basically missing, from getting shorted to +12V I assume, it disintegrated when touched...
>>> 
>>> I?ve narrowed the issue down to the control board, since if I swap the control board from my working K2 into the bad radio the power issue disappears.
>>> I?ve checked VRFDET, VALC, and VPWR on the control board and they are all OK best I can tell, and I?m now at a loss where to look next.
>>> Note: the power level is stable once it settles on some random output power. The power level is random from one transmission to the next.
>>> 
>>> The following links are images showing a tune cycle.
>>> The first image shows the full scan with the radio set to ~1W and actually putting out ~.4W. The second image is zoomed in on the start of the cycle.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i64sw2ue2405roe/k2_0_5w_full.png?dl=0
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe297am756igbd4/k2_0_5w_zoom.png?dl=0
>>> 
>>> This is with the power set to ~7W and the radio indicating hi-cur, before settling down to ~6.4W
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tqxzi3yk13gye4g/k2_hicur_full.png?dl=0
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qz10478zt66tjd/k2_hicur_zoom.png?dl=0
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve - KY7K
>>> ky7k at arrl.net
>>> Get OUT and play radio!
>>> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct  6 02:03:03 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 02:03:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Output power not matching power setting and
 very unstable between transmissions
In-Reply-To: <87036AF4-273B-4529-8793-6B01B1761939@cox.net>
References: <zHUx1o00345oxQM01HUyiK>	<8CA230B5-B8B6-4EC6-AF5B-6E9A3EFC7D4A@cox.net>	<zRbX1o0130Cq0JM01RbZUy>
	<87036AF4-273B-4529-8793-6B01B1761939@cox.net>
Message-ID: <54323097.8000404@embarqmail.com>

Yes, when HiCur is detected, the power will be reduced to the level 
permitted by the value in the CAL CUR setting = and that value will be 
stable.
If HiCur happens on 40 meters (but not 60 meters), and 20 meters (but 
not 30 meters), 15 meters (but not 17 meters), and 10 meters (but not on 
12 meters), check for an extra turn on the Low Pass Filter toroids.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/6/2014 1:44 AM, KY7K wrote:
> Don,
> Thank you for your recommendations.
>
> D9 is a 1N5711 and checks OK.
>
> A full reset made no difference.
>
> Setting CAL CUR to 3.5 reduces the frequency of the HI-CUR messages, however with the power control maxed it will still show up sometimes. Note that when the HI-CUR occurs it is only for a second, after which the power drops down to some random stable level.
>
> Base of Q7 and Q8 are between .60 and .64 volts
>
>
> While adjusting the power control with the radio in receive the power shown on the display changes very smoothly as it should. However, if the power control is adjusted while transmitting the power shown on the LCD display and the LED bar graph jumps all over the place. The bar graph does show that the power is increasing and decreasing overall as it should, what I mean by that is the bar graph shows 4-5 bars of ?noise? while adjusting the power in transmit, but the overall direction of the ?noise? goes up or down in the correct direction if you were to average the ?noise?.
>
> Another test I made, however I?m not sure it is valid, was to control VPWR manually by lifting R22 where is meets C45 and inserting a control voltage on the lifted end of R22. In this mode the power is stable and varies smoothly as the external control voltage is varied.
> The power output is also stable from tune cycle to tune cycle in this test.
> I question the validity of this test because VPWR and VALC are already setup and stable prior to transmitting, unlike they normally would.
>
>
> Steve - KY7K
> ky7k at arrl.net
> Get OUT and play radio!
>
> On Oct 5, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> If "hooked up backwards" means that the DC power was connected with
>> reverse polarity, that will normally cause no harm to the K2 because
>> there is a series reverse voltage protection diode in the input power
>> line.  The burned trace on the mic jack pin 5 suggests that something
>> different happened to it.
>>
>> Try replacing D9 with a 1N5711 diode and see what happens.  The power
>> output into a good dummy load will normally be within 0.2 watts of the
>> set power if all is working right.  You older K2 has a 1N34 diode at D9
>> and it is not as accurate over the full frequency range as the 1N5711.
>>
>> If you have not done so already, record the menu settings, especially
>> the filter settings and do a Master Reset (hold the 4, 5, and 6 buttons
>> in while powering the K2 on).  Then run CAL PLL and restore the menu
>> settings.  The fact that the problem goes away if you swap control
>> boards suggests that there may be some problem with the EEPROM contents,
>> and a Master Reset should 'clean it out'.
>>
>> Set CAL CUR to 3.50 instead of 2.50 and see if the HiCur messages go
>> away.  If they continue, you may have to replace the PA transistors.
>> Another thing to check is the DC voltage at the base of Q7 and Q8 during
>> a TUNE - it should be in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts.  If not,
>> replace Q11 and Q13.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/5/2014 1:36 AM, KY7K wrote:
>>> I forgot to mention that all testing is into a known good DL1 dummy load that I?m also using for my external power readings.
>>>
>>> Any wise insights are most welcome!
>>>
>>> Steve - KY7K
>>> ky7k at arrl.net
>>> Get OUT and play radio!
>>>


From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 06:54:38 2014
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:54:38 +0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to
	RemoteRigfor remotely controlling K3.
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE71FDD6-AC03-4A19-A682-31A042AD8DDC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AB1DEC44D074740988ECF79BD9A16D7@cdcmobile>

Exactly. This is computer polling. Put as much ferrite  on the USB (serial 
port) cable as you can.

73, Igor UA9CDC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K4ia via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
To: <bwruble at gmail.com>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to 
RemoteRigfor remotely controlling K3.


> USB or serial port polling?  Try a different adapter or one that uses an 
> optoisolater
>
> Craig Buck
>
>> On Oct 5, 2014, at 5:36 PM, "Brian F. Wruble" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> The symptom I am describing persists despite changing routers, internet
>> systems, and cities.  In a QSO this morning, the other parties reported a
>> ticking sound on my transmitted signal --- faint but noticeable --- and I
>> could also hear it in XMIT Monitor.  I was operating my remote gear as a
>> test --- in the same room as the K3, and on the same LAN.
>>
>> I have now set myself up 110 miles away, and the sound persists.  I am 
>> able
>> to work others, get good signal reports, but I can hear the tick tick 
>> tick,
>> about 2 per second.
>>
>> In testing, I find the sound is there even if I power down the gear ---  
>> the
>> radio and the control end.  It persists if I remove 12VDC from the K3/0
>> mini.  Also if I remove the wifi module from the RemoteRig control box.
>>
>> If I remove power from the RemoteRig, it goes away.  With power to the 
>> RR,
>> the ticking goes away if I unplug the "TTL" line from the K3/0 mini.
>> Unplugging the other lines makes no difference, though it becomes fainter
>> if I unplug "Aux/Mic." It persists if I remove the ethernet cable
>> connecting the RemoteRig to my router.  It persists if I unplug the USB
>> line from the RemoteRig to my PC.
>>
>> This symptom appeared after a good period of time when everything worked.
>> And all functionality is still there --- just this maddening tick tick 
>> tick
>> --- like something from Edgar Allan Poe.
>>
>> All ideas gratefully accepted.
>>
>> 73 de Brian W3BW
>>
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From hsvdds at juno.com  Sat Oct  4 18:37:54 2014
From: hsvdds at juno.com (Hugh Valentine)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 22:37:54 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] HI RFI  HI CUR above 12 Watts on K3 Screen,
	RX shuts down for a minute	.
Message-ID: <20141004.183754.6398.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

Problem originated on 6M(affects all bands) when ATU was being used to Tweak SWR from 2.4 to 1.0:1. ATU constantly moved up and down tuning, never resting on 1.0:1Power output was intermittent(100W) would go to zero then back to 100 as ATU was looking for match.  Then, HI SWR,  RFI scrolls across screen as no power is coming out of K3.   Affects Ant 1 and Ant 2 SO239s on back of chassis.  Affects with RX antenna unplugged.  Any Band, any Mode.  Either VFO A or B. Finally,  HI SWR, HI Cur, RFI scrolls across screen after power goes above 12W.(Never shows ANY power on the LED screen, only one Bar each time I transmit. Uploaded new Firmware and reset K3. On all bands...with or without ATU(eventually uninstalled it) on any antenna or on Dummy Load,  Rig shows Zero Power output as I go from 0-12.5 W then at any power over 12 Watts, the RX makes a variable warbling noise and normal receive is bypassed.  After a few seconds, the RX may come back on. I just installed a K9AY RX system not too far from XMIT ant.  But have been using it all bands no problem for 2 months. ATU always has difficulties matching low SWR on 160 and 6M. Any suggestions as to what is gong on?Anyone experience this before?  73ValN4RJ  

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From fhunt at bvu.net  Sat Oct  4 20:56:28 2014
From: fhunt at bvu.net (Frankie Hunt)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 20:56:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3/10
Message-ID: <000001cfe037$32ac75e0$980561a0$@net>

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I purchased this rig new and it has seen minimal usage.  mycall at arrl.net

Frankie  K4TEN

 

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From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Oct  6 14:03:10 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:03:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic/Phone Adapter Question
Message-ID: <94415BFB-727E-484C-B3C2-3B49BB43EBF3@me.com>

I've got a KX3 that so far has only been used on CW or data, and have been using fairly bulky Sony headphones with it. Those phones work fine, but aren't exactly something I want to use in a portable / car camping environment. Yesterday while at Fry's electronics I saw a lightweight headset with attached mic that looked like a "junior" version of the Yamaha CM500 that I use with my K3. It has a single, 4-connector TRRS plug.

Does anyone know of a supplier of an adapter that breaks out the mic and audio into two separate cables/plugs like the CM500 has?

Or..... is there a lightweight "junior" version of the CM500 on the market - one that has two separate cables: mic and phones?

Thanks, Jim / W6JHB

From markzl3ab at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 15:12:12 2014
From: markzl3ab at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:12:12 +1300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 band change problem
In-Reply-To: <CAFk=640sy_XmcpSdgzm4ksqLcMT4kFkWxaMp=aWRBbb3oSdpFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFk=640sy_XmcpSdgzm4ksqLcMT4kFkWxaMp=aWRBbb3oSdpFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFk=640KkMU+V=kewN1RGWb+fWO4pAJMTOr7ch_kfPgvOqwBoA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I run a Kenwood TS-2000, KAT 500 Tuner and KPA 500 amp.

In the last few months I have been having an intermittent issue with my
amp.  On some occasions when I have changed bands it will not follow the
band changes like the ATU does.  So if I am on say 14MHz and change to 7Mhz
the ATU changes antenna/band but the amp remains on 14Mhz.  Changing it
manually, changes the display on the amp to 7Mhz but the amp will not
operate on that band (or any other I subsequently change to).

Reinstalling the firmware (1.38) seems to fix the problem but every now and
then the same thing happens again without warning (although normally when I
am looking to work something I need the amp for quickly).

Has anyone else struck this and if so did you find a solution?

73

Mark ZL3AB

From m5kvk at m5kvk.org  Mon Oct  6 15:57:08 2014
From: m5kvk at m5kvk.org (Gareth - M5KVK)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] How much AF volts at 1kHz to get full RF power
 using KSB2?
In-Reply-To: <CAPFkiasj=iDu5mzUe7GpTM4dOVEK-ZVBrVYKCRt6qM23G4gNxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I?m rapidly getting nowhere with this problem. I need to understand how the
overall circuit works and what I should expect to see on the ?scope.

My understanding is that RF Power is basically under the control of a
feedback loop controlled by the VRFDET circuit on the RF board.

The front panel PWR OUT is simply an input to Control Board U8, which
generates V PWR via U8. V PWR sets the target level in the ALC block and
affects V ALC. V ALC goes to Q24 and controls the o/p level of the BFO,
which then flows through filters etc to the PA, where VREFDET is generated.

In CW mode, that?s all there is, and it works. Varying PWR OUT varies the
RF power generated. The problem comes in SSB mode.

With the KSB2 installed, and in CW mode, the BFO signal goes in and out of
the KSB2 via Q3. All OK. In SSB mode, the KSB2 has an additional ALC
circuit block that uses VRFDET, ALC THR and PWR CTRL to throttle the SSB
generated on the KSB2 which then goes back out via Q2. This doesn?t work.

In SSB mode, the AF mixes in the balanced modulator but changing PWR OUT
has no effect. If my understanding is correct, the problem would seem to
lie in one of two places: a) the ALC circuit block on the KSB2 or b) the AF
compressor circuit.

I want to remove the Mic as a source of variability but I don?t know what
AF voltage should cause 100% of the set o/p power.

73

Gareth - M5KVK

On 1 October 2014 22:10, Gareth - M5KVK <m5kvk at m5kvk.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the help Don.I really appreciate it.
> Apart from finding that R7 was not fitted (how many times had I looked at
> the board?), I can see nothing untoward. Fitting it made no difference.
>
> I note that these were the ones changed in the Rev E errata. Relevant?
> Mine is a Rev D board and (e.g.) R9 is 10k rather than 3.9k as per the Rev
> D manual.
>
> The receive audio is slightly down with OP1 but not a lot. Diodes are all
> the right way around and T2 appears to be OK, no shorts and buzzes through
> OK.
>
> I did see a suspicious poor solder joint with R69 on the RF board, but
> again it made no difference.
>
> On 1 October 2014 18:16, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote:
>
>>  Gareth,
>>
>> The PWR CTRL on the KSB2 does not do much at all, so what you are seeing
>> is about right.
>> The power control is done from the VRFDET feeding the base of Q1.  It
>> causes Q1 to conduct and alters the voltage to the base of Q2.  The SSB
>> signal is 'throttled' after the signal is generated and passed through the
>> OP1 filter.  The BFO injection should not change for SSB operation like it
>> does for CW mode.
>>
>> Check resistors R4 and R9 for proper values and good soldering.  Check
>> the orientation of D2.
>>
>> If you are still not getting adequate signal at D4, then you may have a
>> problem with T2 or a solder bridge on one of the capacitors in the filter
>> area that is dragging the signal down.
>> How does the OP1 filter behave in receive.  If the RX signal is
>> attenuated more than with the variable filter, that problem may be related
>> to your TX problem.
>>
>> The VRFDET signal level is a level determined by the actual power output
>> of the K2 - it comes from the wattmeter forward power detection in either
>> the KAT2 or the KPA100 - without either of those options, it comes from the
>> RF Detector D9 on the RF Board.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/2014 11:17 AM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
>>
>> Don, Yes, D4 seems to be OK
>>
>> I've done some further probing and I'm wondering if the problem lies in
>> the ALC circuit. Basically, the power doesn't vary as I change the POWER
>> control.
>>
>>  Scoping U2. There is data on pin 8, but only the second nibble changes.
>> ALC THR goes up as I change POWER, but PWR CTRL stays stuck at about 5.6V
>> regardless of where POWER is set or what AF there is.
>>
>>  What is the purpose of PWR CTRL? Should it be changing?
>>
>>  Gareth - M5KVK
>>
>> On 29 September 2014 21:45, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gareth,
>>>
>>> Is D4 mounted with the correct orientation. - the line on the silkscreen
>>> points to the cathode end.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2014 4:16 PM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Don
>>>> I'm getting more or less the same as you except for the RF out on U5
>>>> pin 4.
>>>> I'm seeing the BFO of about 400mV pp with no AF, and then going up to
>>>> 800mV
>>>> pp when I whistle into the Mic.
>>>>
>>>> Doh!
>>>>
>>>> I thought I had the carrier balance right, but obviously not. Switching
>>>> on
>>>> the SSBA=BAL shows a bif signal on U5 pin 4. I've adjusted that down to
>>>> almost zero on the 'scope, but I'm still not getting much RF out.
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

From phils at riousa.com  Mon Oct  6 16:06:35 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 13:06:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 10/05/2014
In-Reply-To: <C0768489-DC86-42F3-840C-73D47C0344D3@riousa.com>
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Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from October 5, 2014. Peter, ZL1PWD, checked in for the first time in quite awhile.  We had 29 participants.

Station		Name		QTH		Rig		S/N

K4GCJ		Gerry		NC		K3		1597
WB9JNZ		Eric			IL		K3		4017
K7BRR		Bill			AZ		K3		5545
WV5I		Dwayne		TX		K3		5287
W2RWA		Dick			NY		K3		2603
KC9LIF		Kent			IL		K2		6896	QRP
WO1I		Dick			MA		K3		911
W8OV		Dave		TX		K3		3139
KF5IMA		Bruce		MS		K2		3575
K5LAD		Jim			OK		K3		1068
W6NIA/m		Matt			NM		KX3		6
W4RKS		Jim			TX		K3		3618
W0CZ		Ken			ND		K3		457
W4DML		Doug		TN		KX3		2915	QRP
WW4JF		John			TN		KX3		159
W7QHD		Kurt			AZ		K2		1538
KE7HGE		Ken			WA		KX3		4540	QRP
AB7CE		Roy			MT		KX3		115		QRP
ZL1PWD		Peter		NZ		K3		139
KD0HII		Brian		IA		K3		3672
KF5YBE/m	Lee			TX		TS480HX
K4STN		Bill			GA		KX3		4330
N4WCQ		Rick			KY		K3		8160
WN8A		Jim			MI		K3		3480
N6JW		John			CA		K3		936
KB0MM		Burt			MN		Yaesu			QRP
NC3Z		Gary			MD		KX3		6721
KD0MOA		John			CO		KX3		3560	QRP
NS7P		Phil			OR		K3		1826


73,
Phil, NS7P

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct  6 16:56:02 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] How much AF volts at 1kHz to get full RF power
 using KSB2?
In-Reply-To: <CAPFkiatznCSgDFbwUXkpB0SbR48JGDC2EhjXBLU9Uv_jKKA7tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPFkiaubXT+J332E=vpLb4MvWWWronO8Dt=0cJqtRwiv3jH_1Q@mail.gmail.com>	<54297D08.4010708@embarqmail.com>	<CAPFkiatONpGaeKb_xA+9W8ng9r9uZoT6XkXJwJ6akN=kXzpiag@mail.gmail.com>	<5429C4E5.3010009@embarqmail.com>	<CAPFkiavXBksm47+m1B+tGHqecv2a5jBmn+NaXM93UQb=97ph4A@mail.gmail.com>	<542C36DB.8050009@w3fpr.com>	<CAPFkiasj=iDu5mzUe7GpTM4dOVEK-ZVBrVYKCRt6qM23G4gNxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <543301E2.1080606@embarqmail.com>

Gareth,
You should find between 200 and 400 mV peak to peak (dependent on the 
particular speech patterns) from an electret microphone such as the 
Elecraft MH2.  That is 70 to 140 mV RMS.
That is sufficient to drive the SSB output to pull power.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/6/2014 3:57 PM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
> I want to remove the Mic as a source of variability but I don?t know what
> AF voltage should cause 100% of the set o/p power.
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Oct  6 19:58:04 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <542E9153.2030207@nexicom.net>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>	<D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>
	<542E9153.2030207@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <54332C8C.9040701@foothill.net>

Don't know if "bad drivers" is the right term, possibly "new drivers" 
might be better.  I agree however that trying to fool proof can lead to 
all sorts of problems.  Although I thought [in the early 80's] that this 
cellular telephone business wouldn't catch on [heavy phone-in-a-bag] ... 
I am now on my 9th phone, this one a Verizon Samsung Galaxy 5 [I also 
told my wife that ATM's would be a loser for banks :-)].

The Galaxy 5 attempts to think for me in many places [spell check and 
auto-complete are only two small examples], and, with 29 yr old 
grandson's help, I'm slowly turning off the ones that I can.  I'm 
totally capable to learn how to do something with it on my own. 
Likewise with my KX1, K2, K3, KPA500, KAT500, and P3.

I'm not surprised how picky many have become, the technology we take for 
granted today is light-years beyond what we used in the 50's and we're 
used to pushing "popcorn" to nuke a bag to perfection [if it's correct 
side down].  I *am* glad however that Elecraft monitors this list [and 
likely others], and is very careful about implementing a suggestion from 
what could be a customer-base of one.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 10/3/2014 5:06 AM, david Moes wrote:
> Im not sure I would like this at all.  sometimes I think that
> fool-proofing a rig is the wrong way to go as it take the ownership away
> from the operator to pay attention to what they are doing and panders to
> the shall I say the bad drivers.


From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct  6 20:20:35 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:20:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
In-Reply-To: <54332C8C.9040701@foothill.net>
References: <542CEA77.1030201@verizon.net>	<000f01cfde53$7c877e20$75967a60$@net>	<542D81B2.4090101@subich.com>	<000601cfdee1$b392e470$1ab8ad50$@co.uk>	<D1D0039E-8840-4720-8F5A-9FD54F8DE183@sky.com>	<542E9153.2030207@nexicom.net>
	<54332C8C.9040701@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <543331D3.7010904@subich.com>


The problem isn't drivers or anything like that, it is attempting
to deal with application software that does not handle the K3's
unique interface.

For example, WSJTX 1.4 when controlling *any rig* via DXLab Suite's
CI-V Commander sets the frequency (VFO A), turns on split, then sets
the transmit frequency (VFO B).  In monitoring TCP commands between
the two applications, I don't even see an attempt to set the mode of
VFO A, much less VFO B - but that's moot because the software turns
on Split before even setting transmit frequency.

If the K3 were to force VFO B to the same frequency and mode as VFO A
when split were enabled (if VFO A is in DATA or on a different band
than VFO B) software like WSJT-X that apparently caters to the lowest
common denominator in rig control interfaces would not be able to send
the K3 off into the weeds.  Remember, software like this generally
does not have user programmable band change/frequency set macros - it
is not a matter of "user responsibility".  This is more a matter of
surviving software with limited sophistication when it comes to rig
control.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-06 7:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Don't know if "bad drivers" is the right term, possibly "new drivers"
> might be better.  I agree however that trying to fool proof can lead to
> all sorts of problems.  Although I thought [in the early 80's] that this
> cellular telephone business wouldn't catch on [heavy phone-in-a-bag] ...
> I am now on my 9th phone, this one a Verizon Samsung Galaxy 5 [I also
> told my wife that ATM's would be a loser for banks :-)].
>
> The Galaxy 5 attempts to think for me in many places [spell check and
> auto-complete are only two small examples], and, with 29 yr old
> grandson's help, I'm slowly turning off the ones that I can.  I'm
> totally capable to learn how to do something with it on my own. Likewise
> with my KX1, K2, K3, KPA500, KAT500, and P3.
>
> I'm not surprised how picky many have become, the technology we take for
> granted today is light-years beyond what we used in the 50's and we're
> used to pushing "popcorn" to nuke a bag to perfection [if it's correct
> side down].  I *am* glad however that Elecraft monitors this list [and
> likely others], and is very careful about implementing a suggestion from
> what could be a customer-base of one.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 10/3/2014 5:06 AM, david Moes wrote:
>> Im not sure I would like this at all.  sometimes I think that
>> fool-proofing a rig is the wrong way to go as it take the ownership away
>> from the operator to pay attention to what they are doing and panders to
>> the shall I say the bad drivers.
>
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From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Mon Oct  6 21:25:22 2014
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a K3
Message-ID: <23AF5FE6-FCA9-4910-B8BB-70E76262C0A3@woh.rr.com>

Anyone have a K3 for sale, if so please send details to include serial number, options, etc. also best price shipped to zip 45324. Can pay by PayPal.
Thanks
Tim
NZ8J




From beford at myfairpoint.net  Mon Oct  6 21:49:24 2014
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a K3
Message-ID: <3D5A419A8E004940965A560E657E6049@HPE250f>

Again? Really?

Tim must have the record for the most number of K3s bought and then sold,
over the last several years.


From pgraitc at me.com  Mon Oct  6 22:50:04 2014
From: pgraitc at me.com (PHILIP GRAITCER)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:50:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KAT100/KPA100 in EC-2 enclosure
Message-ID: <80D051DC-4DAB-426F-8BFC-87FD3A6CF34D@me.com>

Get 100 watts out of your K2!

In excellent condition with cables and manual, KAT100 amplified, KPA100 antenna tuner installed in separate enclosure and built by me in December 2009 and used up until a few months ago. With this amplified/antenna tuner, it is a simple matter to run the K2 at QRP and 100 watt levels.

Selling because, it is surplus to my needs since I have a second K3.

As a kit, Elecraft sells this for $729.85 plus shipping. I am asking $500.00 plus shipping.

I also have an MFJ259B antenna analyzer for sale, $160.00

Phil, W3HZZ

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct  7 00:14:30 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] How much AF volts at 1kHz to get full RF power
 using KSB2?
In-Reply-To: <543301E2.1080606@embarqmail.com>
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On Mon,10/6/2014 1:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> You should find between 200 and 400 mV peak to peak (dependent on the 
> particular speech patterns) from an electret microphone such as the 
> Elecraft MH2.  That is 70 to 140 mV RMS.
> That is sufficient to drive the SSB output to pull power.

I once owned a pair of K2/100s and used them for contesting. I found the 
audio chain rather gain-starved and with excessive low-frequency 
bandwidth, so I changed a few resistor and capacitor values to increase 
the gain and reduce the LF. I think I managed about 6 dB. I believe that 
I passed those mods along to you, Don. The changes allowed me to hit the 
Limiter a bit harder, increasing its compression ratio.

73, Jim K9YC

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct  7 00:46:13 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 field-test firmware -- improvements for PX3;
	misc.
Message-ID: <FFD000AB-199C-4DBD-B9F1-08E02DF65FD9@elecraft.com>

This is a bug-cleanup release, rev. 2.25, that will appeal to specific KX3 users. Changes are listed below. 

This release also supports text display on the PX3 (requires PX3 rev. 1.12), and DUAL RX (dual watch) even with RX SHFT=8.0. Both have been extensively tested at this point.

If you're interested in trying the new field-test release right away, please email me (directly, rather than via a list reply). I'll get it out to you tomorrow. 

By the way: Thanks, everyone, for the ongoing help with new releases. We're trying wrap up KX3 work so we can spend some time on the K3's firmware task list.

Thanks,

Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 2.25 / DSP 1.30, 10-5-2014

* PX3 NOW DISPLAYS VFO B PASSBAND CORRECTLY: The PX3 was showing the wrong VFO B filter bandwidth or passband location when using DATA modes or DUAL RX (dual watch). 

* DUAL RX DOES NOT FORCE OFS/B KNOB TO BE USED AS VFO B: The operator?s OFS/B knob assignment is no longer lost when DUAL RX is in effect.

* FAST-PLAY DISPLAY ERROR FIXED: With fast-play enabled (1-touch message play using BAND+/- and FREQ ENT.), a band change originating from a PC application no longer flashes ?END? on VFO B.

* CW SPEED DISPLAY TIME INCREASED WHEN TEXT DECODE IS ON: In CW mode, speed is now displayed for 1.0 sec. In FSK-D and PSK-D modes, it's .5 sec. The time is shorter for DATA modes because character transmission rates are usually faster, and the operator might miss important text due to the speed display.

* PA BYPASS METERING FIXED: If the KXPA100 goes to bypass because of an error condition, the KX3 drops to 5 W. The RF meter is now  correctly set to low range.

* TEXT DECODE LOCKOUT FIX: Adjustment of NR, NB, NTCH, etc. no longer causes loss of CW/DATA text decode on the VFO B display.

* HOST COMMANDS ?UP?, ?DN?, and ?DT? are now working with the PX3.

* * *

Other recent releases:

MCU 2.24 / DSP 1.30, 10-1-2014

* SUPPORT FOR PX3 TEXT DISPLAY: To enable text decode on the PX3, hold LABELS switch to switch to text-decode mode (requires PX3 rev. 1.12 or later). Text decode must also be enabled at the KX3.

MCU 2.23 / DSP 1.30, 9-24-2014

* DUAL RX NOW ALLOWED WITH RX SHFT=8.0. In this case, VFO A can be from -7 below VFO B to +23 above it  (vs. +/- 15 for RX SHFT=NOR).




From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct  7 09:55:40 2014
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Are K3 serial numbers sequential?
In-Reply-To: <1308099552187-6476926.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1308099552187-6476926.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1412690140180-7593693.post@n2.nabble.com>

Can I ask kindly for hint where I can make registration to the zerobeat list
of K3 members please?

Petr, OK1RP
K3 #778



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From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 13:28:50 2014
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 18:28:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Are K3 serial numbers sequential?
In-Reply-To: <1412690140180-7593693.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1308099552187-6476926.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1412690140180-7593693.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9IK9ItCSLCNUFwF3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

Here it is, Petr....
http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html

73 de David G4DMP
K3 #0186

In a recent message, ok1rp <indians at xsmail.com> writes
>Can I ask kindly for hint where I can make registration to the zerobeat list
>of K3 members please?
>
>Petr, OK1RP
>K3 #778

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From bill.va3ol at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:36:39 2014
From: bill.va3ol at gmail.com (bill.va3ol at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:36:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Info needed on 'Crimping'
Message-ID: <CAOcrgCu_a3MGL+OZp8zQXJmZy59zfjWV8d1QpGgVdwYRVG0YTg@mail.gmail.com>

After year of using a simple crimper - you know the 5$ kind that do an ok
job. I bought a 7 pc quick change ratcheting wire terminal crimper kit.

Now, I need to know how to use it and the various 'jaws'. I have looked on
the internet, checked the local library and can't find much. Utube has a
bunch of videos but mainly they are not useful.

Does anyone have a 'crimper's bible' the kind of thing that tells me about
the various jaws and do I put the terminal in the front or back? I have
lots of questions but can't find much in the way of answers.

One of the reasons for this is that I have been playing with a 160 meter
antenna which needed to be lengthed. Other than using a torch in a forest
(not a great idea) I thought that butt connector would work for my
experiments. And they have; beats using up my long wire pieces on an
experiment.

Any help would be appreciated.

Bill, VA3OL
in beautiful Oro-Medonte Twp

From sf at javid.org  Tue Oct  7 14:37:52 2014
From: sf at javid.org (Shawn Javid)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:37:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale: Elecraft K2/100 w/SSB  & KAT100 (#02682)
Message-ID: <5F2A1ED8-144D-4353-B69D-52DEFEC288D0@javid.org>

For sale: Elecraft K2/100 w/SSB  & KAT100 (#02682) aligned by Alan Wilcox on 3/7/14 with firmware upgrades applied at that time.  Please email sf at javid.org or call (253) 740-6104 for more information including pictures. Thanks - Shawn

PS. Selling to purchase a KXPA100.

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Oct  7 14:40:02 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:40:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Shutdown
Message-ID: <54343382.9070002@comcast.net>

Has anyone seen this problem and know what causes it? The last few weeks 
my KX3 S/N 323 has begun to shut down unexpectedly while running CW or 
SSB. The power supply is an Astron 35 Amp linear that appears to be rock 
solid. I have the KXPA100 running at the same time hooked up like the 
Elecraft recommendation. When it shuts down, it takes a few seconds 
before I can bring it back up, and it shuts downs the amplifier also. 
Cutting back the power to 75 Watts from the amp does not appear to make 
any difference. I have the minimum battery voltage set in the menu to 9. 
volts.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

From ppauly at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:49:40 2014
From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Info needed on 'Crimping'
In-Reply-To: <CAOcrgCu_a3MGL+OZp8zQXJmZy59zfjWV8d1QpGgVdwYRVG0YTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOcrgCu_a3MGL+OZp8zQXJmZy59zfjWV8d1QpGgVdwYRVG0YTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKXfWbRnTRechdnC0YGvjf8U9x5AXxwwY4fz+f6uc61WvBycJw@mail.gmail.com>

This is an okay introduction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSGCSwNuAg

For Anderson powerpoles, you'll want to watch something specific to that
connector.


On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM, <bill.va3ol at gmail.com> wrote:

> After year of using a simple crimper - you know the 5$ kind that do an ok
> job. I bought a 7 pc quick change ratcheting wire terminal crimper kit.
>
> Now, I need to know how to use it and the various 'jaws'. I have looked on
> the internet, checked the local library and can't find much. Utube has a
> bunch of videos but mainly they are not useful.
>
> Does anyone have a 'crimper's bible' the kind of thing that tells me about
> the various jaws and do I put the terminal in the front or back? I have
> lots of questions but can't find much in the way of answers.
>
> One of the reasons for this is that I have been playing with a 160 meter
> antenna which needed to be lengthed. Other than using a torch in a forest
> (not a great idea) I thought that butt connector would work for my
> experiments. And they have; beats using up my long wire pieces on an
> experiment.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Bill, VA3OL
> in beautiful Oro-Medonte Twp
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From jnogatch at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:25:06 2014
From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Shutdown
In-Reply-To: <54343382.9070002@comcast.net>
References: <54343382.9070002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CADTTAaxQwfFOi8Xudz=L2TxcNqtvh2td5-wqG8nRN66+Kf7hkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
> ... has begun to shut down unexpectedly while running CW or SSB. The
> power supply is an Astron 35 Amp linear that appears to be rock solid....

I had a similar problem with my K3. Suspecting a power supply problem,
and after reading:

http://www.repeater-builder.com/astron/astron-intro-stuff.html

I found that the RS-35M pass transistor mounting screws were slightly
loose, i.e. I could easily tighten them perhaps 1/8 turn.
After adding "split-ring" lockwashers to the pass transistor mounting
screws, the problem has not recurred.

Also, I have added fans to the backs of the heatsinks. The RS-35M no
longer gets hot, like it used to.

-John AC6SL

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Oct  7 15:44:10 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Shutdown
In-Reply-To: <CADTTAaxQwfFOi8Xudz=L2TxcNqtvh2td5-wqG8nRN66+Kf7hkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54343382.9070002@comcast.net>
	<CADTTAaxQwfFOi8Xudz=L2TxcNqtvh2td5-wqG8nRN66+Kf7hkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5434428A.4010908@comcast.net>

John,
     Thanks. I'll check that. I hope that is all it is as that is the 
same  35 Amp supply that I use.

73,
Barry
K3NDM


On 10/7/2014 3:25 PM, John Nogatch wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>> ... has begun to shut down unexpectedly while running CW or SSB. The
>> power supply is an Astron 35 Amp linear that appears to be rock solid....
> I had a similar problem with my K3. Suspecting a power supply problem,
> and after reading:
>
> http://www.repeater-builder.com/astron/astron-intro-stuff.html
>
> I found that the RS-35M pass transistor mounting screws were slightly
> loose, i.e. I could easily tighten them perhaps 1/8 turn.
> After adding "split-ring" lockwashers to the pass transistor mounting
> screws, the problem has not recurred.
>
> Also, I have added fans to the backs of the heatsinks. The RS-35M no
> longer gets hot, like it used to.
>
> -John AC6SL
>


From m5kvk at m5kvk.org  Tue Oct  7 16:32:57 2014
From: m5kvk at m5kvk.org (Gareth - M5KVK)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 21:32:57 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] How much AF volts at 1kHz to get full RF power
 using KSB2?
In-Reply-To: <543301E2.1080606@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAPFkiaubXT+J332E=vpLb4MvWWWronO8Dt=0cJqtRwiv3jH_1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAPFkiatONpGaeKb_xA+9W8ng9r9uZoT6XkXJwJ6akN=kXzpiag@mail.gmail.com>
	<5429C4E5.3010009@embarqmail.com>
	<CAPFkiavXBksm47+m1B+tGHqecv2a5jBmn+NaXM93UQb=97ph4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<542C36DB.8050009@w3fpr.com>
	<CAPFkiasj=iDu5mzUe7GpTM4dOVEK-ZVBrVYKCRt6qM23G4gNxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPFkiatznCSgDFbwUXkpB0SbR48JGDC2EhjXBLU9Uv_jKKA7tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<543301E2.1080606@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPFkiasSHP-zuhxOG6DvN=5Z053ZNBg+Zzj2903VF6cjuuGOWw@mail.gmail.com>

Don, Jim
Thanks. I finally got there. Once I removed the Mic from the chain, the
problem disappeared. With 150mV RMS @ 1kHz, I got just over 4W when the rig
was set to deliver 5W. Close enough for me.

The problem is that the fist Mic I use (Icom MH36) and my Heil Proset 5 are
both low output Mics. I'll get an Elecraft MH2 and put a pre amp in the Pro
Set's line.

73, Gareth

On 6 October 2014 21:56, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Gareth,
> You should find between 200 and 400 mV peak to peak (dependent on the
> particular speech patterns) from an electret microphone such as the
> Elecraft MH2.  That is 70 to 140 mV RMS.
> That is sufficient to drive the SSB output to pull power.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 10/6/2014 3:57 PM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
>
>> I want to remove the Mic as a source of variability but I don?t know what
>> AF voltage should cause 100% of the set o/p power.
>>
>>
>>
>

From ke6te.9 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 17:53:31 2014
From: ke6te.9 at gmail.com (George Rebong)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:53:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - NAP3
Message-ID: <CABponH82m8==GbvKD_9EyP08JX=f=AAR+QJH2ShOmUe1cRSccg@mail.gmail.com>

Can you please help me get my KX3 working with NAP3. I need the settings on
the NAP3. My computer OS is Windows 7.
Thank you

-- 
George Rebong
  KE6TE

From edauer at law.du.edu  Tue Oct  7 18:35:12 2014
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:35:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Terminal Emulator for MAC OS X
Message-ID: <D059918A.6B90%edauer@law.du.edu>

Programming a Pig Knob for the K3 requires a terminal emulator, and the built-in app in OS X seems not up to the job.  Can anyone recommend a good app for the purpose?  Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR

From muddler13 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 18:39:53 2014
From: muddler13 at gmail.com (W.F. Bauer)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:39:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Many Thanks to Howard K6IA Elecraft Support
Message-ID: <CADB=feFCQFd-Y2FtUaKWtvv6SGySoqn=K+cAdjMt6UhjcM4+Vw@mail.gmail.com>

 I had a recent issue with no audio out when in FM mode.  After several
Emails back and forth with Howard with Elecraft Support, he sent me the
original config file and reload the file and all is well.  Many thanks to
Howard for all of his patience in helping solve this issue.  Elecraft
Customer support certainly lives up to its reputation.

Many thanks

Bill
KK4UIE

From matt at nq6n.com  Tue Oct  7 19:08:39 2014
From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 18:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Terminal Emulator for MAC OS X
In-Reply-To: <D059918A.6B90%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D059918A.6B90%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <CANth69h4h+UZw6ncVqG83DSipB9kv1Lc1uzoH6KWXY+C5JZ0Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Ted,

I like one called iTerm2:

http://iterm2.com/

You can also install XQuartz and use a regular old xterm:

http://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/

Both are free.

73,
Matt NQ6N


On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> Programming a Pig Knob for the K3 requires a terminal emulator, and the
> built-in app in OS X seems not up to the job.  Can anyone recommend a good
> app for the purpose?  Thanks,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct  7 19:08:49 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - NAP3
In-Reply-To: <CABponH82m8==GbvKD_9EyP08JX=f=AAR+QJH2ShOmUe1cRSccg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABponH82m8==GbvKD_9EyP08JX=f=AAR+QJH2ShOmUe1cRSccg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54347281.8070108@embarqmail.com>

George,

You will probably find better NaP3 assistance on the www.telepost.com 
website and the LP-Pan Yahoo group.

However, set the NaP3 Global Offset to bring the carrier of a WWV AM 
signal to the center of the display (line up with the cursor).  It may 
take several iterations to  "get it right on".

After that, everything else should fall into place except for AFSK-A.  
NaP3 has a discrepancy in that the K3 uses the Mark frequency for the 
display rather than the carrier, and NaP3 does not.  Unfotunately, the 
author of NaP3 folded his tent in the face of unrelenting demands for 
users of his free program and has quit, so there will not be an NaP3 fix 
in the works.  Use it 'as-is' or use something else.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/7/2014 5:53 PM, George Rebong wrote:
> Can you please help me get my KX3 working with NAP3. I need the settings on
> the NAP3. My computer OS is Windows 7.
> Thank you
>


From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Tue Oct  7 19:26:43 2014
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Many Thanks to Howard K6IA Elecraft Support
In-Reply-To: <CADB=feFCQFd-Y2FtUaKWtvv6SGySoqn=K+cAdjMt6UhjcM4+Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADB=feFCQFd-Y2FtUaKWtvv6SGySoqn=K+cAdjMt6UhjcM4+Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543476B3.7020201@nycap.rr.com>

Service is what makes Elecraft so great. Their good products help - but 
the caring service is the frosting on the cake.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From k2ttt at optonline.net  Tue Oct  7 19:39:41 2014
From: k2ttt at optonline.net (Jay)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:39:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Many Thanks to Howard K6IA Elecraft Support
In-Reply-To: <543476B3.7020201@nycap.rr.com>
References: <CADB=feFCQFd-Y2FtUaKWtvv6SGySoqn=K+cAdjMt6UhjcM4+Vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<543476B3.7020201@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001cfe287$f7bee960$e73cbc20$@net>

I have dealt with Howard on a few occasions
He is a wonderful standard bearer for a terrific company

73

Jay (K2TTT)(C6ATT)

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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 7:27 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Many Thanks to Howard K6IA Elecraft Support

Service is what makes Elecraft so great. Their good products help - but 
the caring service is the frosting on the cake.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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From pfizenmayer at q.com  Tue Oct  7 20:34:44 2014
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Many Thanks to Howard K6IA Elecraft Support
In-Reply-To: <000001cfe287$f7bee960$e73cbc20$@net>
References: <CADB=feFCQFd-Y2FtUaKWtvv6SGySoqn=K+cAdjMt6UhjcM4+Vw@mail.gmail.com><543476B3.7020201@nycap.rr.com>
	<000001cfe287$f7bee960$e73cbc20$@net>
Message-ID: <21AF41A2DF084503BF208BAA41B3D0F9@HANKPC>

I second the motion -- Hank K7HP 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Jay 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:39 PM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Many Thanks to Howard K6IA Elecraft Support 

I have dealt with Howard on a few occasions
He is a wonderful standard bearer for a terrific company

73

Jay (K2TTT)(C6ATT)

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W2BLC
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 7:27 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
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Service is what makes Elecraft so great. Their good products help - but 
the caring service is the frosting on the cake.

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From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 03:39:23 2014
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:39:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 serial 2102 lives
Message-ID: <23861108.4783.1412753963048.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Well today my recently completed kit of KPA500 (5 hours build time) is alive and well and joins its "friends" the K3 and KAT500 and P3. All alive and well.
Andy G4HUE

From n4zr at contesting.com  Wed Oct  8 07:39:32 2014
From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - NAP3
In-Reply-To: <54347281.8070108@embarqmail.com>
References: <CABponH82m8==GbvKD_9EyP08JX=f=AAR+QJH2ShOmUe1cRSccg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54347281.8070108@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54352274.1070507@contesting.com>

I understand that NaP3 version 3 does not have the AFSK-A problem. You 
can get it on the Telepost web site.

I had just bought an LP-PAN and discovered NaP3 when the author suddenly 
quit, not only developing NaP3 but also ham radio.  It seemed to me a 
disproportionate response to enthusiastic but scarcely hostile interest 
in his new release, which had some nifty new features.  Of course it's 
always hard to know what else is going on in a person's life, and 
volunteers arefree to stop volunteering, but I wish he had released 
source code so that maybe someone could have taken over.


73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
http://reversebeacon.net,
blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
For spots, please go to your favorite
ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.

On 10/7/2014 7:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> George,
>
> You will probably find better NaP3 assistance on the www.telepost.com 
> website and the LP-Pan Yahoo group.
>
> However, set the NaP3 Global Offset to bring the carrier of a WWV AM 
> signal to the center of the display (line up with the cursor). It may 
> take several iterations to  "get it right on".
>
> After that, everything else should fall into place except for AFSK-A.  
> NaP3 has a discrepancy in that the K3 uses the Mark frequency for the 
> display rather than the carrier, and NaP3 does not.  Unfotunately, the 
> author of NaP3 folded his tent in the face of unrelenting demands for 
> users of his free program and has quit, so there will not be an NaP3 
> fix in the works.  Use it 'as-is' or use something else.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/7/2014 5:53 PM, George Rebong wrote:
>> Can you please help me get my KX3 working with NAP3. I need the 
>> settings on
>> the NAP3. My computer OS is Windows 7.
>> Thank you
>>
>
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From keith at compassmarina.com  Wed Oct  8 08:11:18 2014
From: keith at compassmarina.com (Keith D Jones)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:11:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Crimper
Message-ID: <003801cfe2f0$f8894d90$e99be8b0$@compassmarina.com>

Since I get the digest I can't reply inside the thread.

 

Here is an excellent discussion of the type of crimp tools and how to make a
proper "marine grade" connection,
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination .  On page 3 he tests
the crimps hanging 95 lbs. of anchors from the crimp.

 

On the boat I use FTZ terminals and butt splices - either the heat shrink
variety or they have a new "cool seal" product that has some sealant that is
activated via the crimp - great in the field.  I buy my FTZ products from
www.fisheriessupply.com .

 

The guy that did this pictorial, RC, does great photo instructional essays -
there is a good one on making battery cables
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/battery_cables  and even one on crimping
a PL259 http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/vhf_cable .

 

Hope you find this useful.

 

73,

 

Keith, N4KDJ


From k3ndm at comcast.net  Wed Oct  8 10:23:06 2014
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Shutdown
In-Reply-To: <5434428A.4010908@comcast.net>
References: <54343382.9070002@comcast.net>	<CADTTAaxQwfFOi8Xudz=L2TxcNqtvh2td5-wqG8nRN66+Kf7hkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5434428A.4010908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <543548CA.2080908@comcast.net>

I found the problem, I think. It was not the power supply; I checked 
everything.

Here is what happened. I went into the menu on the KX3 and turned off 
the amp. I tried to break the radio using CW at 10 Watts; nothing 
happened. Next, I turned on the amp again and then tried to shut down 
again starting at 20 Watts and every 10 Watts after that; nothing 
happened. So I tried full power, 100 Watts, and still everything stayed 
up, no problem.

My hypothesis is this. Over time, something became corrupted in the 
software. By "resetting" the amplifier/radio connection, the software 
sorted itself out. I suspect it was really a timing problem that was 
created and then removed. Nothing ever happened in receive, but it 
started while running in CW at 20-25 WPM. SSB wasn't a problem until a 
few days ago, so it appeared to be getting worse. I was operating last 
night without a problem. I, therefore, declare the problem solved. 
However, if anyone with more insight into this has any information, I'd 
sure like to know about it.

73,
Barry
K3NDM



On 10/7/2014 3:44 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
> John,
>     Thanks. I'll check that. I hope that is all it is as that is the 
> same  35 Amp supply that I use.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
>
> On 10/7/2014 3:25 PM, John Nogatch wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Barry LaZar <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> ... has begun to shut down unexpectedly while running CW or SSB. The
>>> power supply is an Astron 35 Amp linear that appears to be rock 
>>> solid....
>> I had a similar problem with my K3. Suspecting a power supply problem,
>> and after reading:
>>
>> http://www.repeater-builder.com/astron/astron-intro-stuff.html
>>
>> I found that the RS-35M pass transistor mounting screws were slightly
>> loose, i.e. I could easily tighten them perhaps 1/8 turn.
>> After adding "split-ring" lockwashers to the pass transistor mounting
>> screws, the problem has not recurred.
>>
>> Also, I have added fans to the backs of the heatsinks. The RS-35M no
>> longer gets hot, like it used to.
>>
>> -John AC6SL
>>
>
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  8 13:17:00 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:17:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Info needed on 'Crimping'
Message-ID: <19433053.1412788621186.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


At the request of the Video's author, I am reposting this information here. I have trimmed the message for brevity.

 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
A few pickups: 

1.Many of the connectors are color coded. In your case the color was yellow which translates to 12-14 or 10-14 AWG in some cases. Your crimper was also color coded to make the selection of the die easy. 

2.Your reference to spades should have been to 'faston'. Spades are the forked leads. Fastons depend on the proper friction and spring tension to work right which might have something to do with the failure of the fuse assembly. Incidentally glass fuses with cartridge holders should be avoided and are illegal in some applications. Likewise the green and yellow wire is defined by the EU as only for safety grounds (earths). It is OK to use for other applications in the USA but could get you into trouble in the EU countries. 

3.While not specified, eye connectors should be used with brass bolts with flat and/or lock washers so as not to distort the eye.
Best regards,

Fred Townsend

-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Pauly <ppauly at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 7, 2014 11:49 AM
>To: bill.va3ol at gmail.com
>Cc: elecraft list <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Info needed on 'Crimping'
>
>This is an okay introduction:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSGCSwNuAg
>
>For Anderson powerpoles, you'll want to watch something specific to that
>connector.


From w6jhb at me.com  Wed Oct  8 16:39:50 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:39:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic/Phone Adapter Question
Message-ID: <B20FC03A-EB5C-47DA-AA45-77B670EA2E0F@me.com>

Guys (and ladies) -

I had asked about using an inexpensive headset with my KX3. Got a couple replies off the list and wanted to share my results. I wound up purchasing an AC-404 mic/headphone set at Amazon.com for the paltry sum of $15.40. The package included a Y-adapter to break out the headphone audio and the mic signal. Plugged them into the KX3, turned off the Mic Bias and bada-bing, bada-boom - on the air. Followed the SSB setup instructions in the KE7X manual and was making QSO's. Worked AB0ZAN in KS and KA0KXI in ND on 15 meters with 10 watts into an 88-foot long doublet at 45 feet. Both stations said my audio was fine. Didn't knock their receivers off the desk with my 10 watts, but the AC-404 headset worked fine. Feels fairly comfortable - a little tight on the head, perhaps, but acceptable.

73, Jim / W6JHB


From fhunt at bvu.net  Wed Oct  8 19:02:39 2014
From: fhunt at bvu.net (Frankie Hunt)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:02:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3/10       Sold, pending payment.
Message-ID: <001e01cfe34b$f5631f00$e0295d00$@net>

 

For sale  K3/10 serial 16xx.   $1550 plus shipping.  Smoke free environment.
I purchased this rig new and it has seen minimal usage.  mycall at arrl.net

Frankie  K4TEN

 

Has the following options:


K3/10

K3 10W Xcvr. (Assembled)

$1799.95 


KBPF3

K3 Gen. Cov. RX Module

$169.95 


KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw

2.8 for 2.7 kHz swap

$129.95 


KFL3A-6K

K3 6 kHz, 8 pole filter

$139.95 


KXV3A

K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Intf.

$129.95 

$2369.75

 


From phystad at mac.com  Thu Oct  9 01:18:39 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:18:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
Message-ID: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>

I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?

My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.

Thanks,

73, phil, K7PEH


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct  9 04:38:39 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (redeast via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 01:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transceiver / KXPA100 Amp FS in UK
Message-ID: <1412843919937-7593718.post@n2.nabble.com>

Selling my Elecraft Station in UK.
Consists of the KX3 Transceiver serial number 3795 which includes the
internal 20 watt Automatic ATU and MH3 microphone. Professionally assembled
and tested .
KXPA100 100 watt  Factory Assembled Amplifier. Only 6 months old. Internal
ATU not included. Includes the KXPACBL Cable Set providing seamless KX3
integration with a single cable for keying, band data, and control. Both
units have the lastest firmware updates and include the Owner?s Manuals.
Units work and look as new. Excellent SSB audio reports. ?1100 plus shipping
or collection. Thank you

Larry G8CCO





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From w4jbb at charter.net  Thu Oct  9 06:38:15 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54366597.1050405@charter.net>

Phil,

When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These 
are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were 
purchased.

I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my 
KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an 
antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one 
end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I 
have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?
>
> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
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From w4jbb at charter.net  Thu Oct  9 06:49:47 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <54366597.1050405@charter.net>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>
Message-ID: <5436684B.3050909@charter.net>

Umm... Phil, I got the part number incorrect.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I ordered or from whom. The part number I 
gave you was for a Pro-flex cable so disregard that part number. That 
part number is from a diagram on connector assembly (it had been 25 
years since I put a BNC connector together and that was in tech school).

That said, RF Industries does make solder-pin / clamp connectors and The 
Wireman sells solder-pin / clamp connectors for RG-8x. Call and ask 
them, but it looks like their (The Wireman) part number for a male BNC 
for RG-8x is 1308. The RG-8x BNC connector from RF Industries is an 
RFB-1101-1X.

Sorry for the confusion.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 10/9/14, 5:38 AM, Joel Black wrote:
> Phil,
>
> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. 
> These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where 
> they were purchased.
>
> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my 
> KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an 
> antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one 
> end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I 
> have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)
>
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
>
> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have 
>> found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there 
>> are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for 
>> reasonable cost?
>>
>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use 
>> indoors.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
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From kd7gc at q.com  Thu Oct  9 07:13:37 2014
From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 04:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
Message-ID: <009a01cfe3b1$f7299dd0$e57cd970$@com>

Hello Phil, 

 

I use very few BNC connectors, but the few that I have used were all
crimp-on.  You might want to look at www.tessco.com to see what is
available.  I buy most of my connectors from Tessco, and they have a
tremendous selection of all manner of connectors.

 

HTH

 

Alan

 

 

Alan R. Downing

Phoenix, AZ

 

From: Phil Hystad-3 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7593717h12 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:20 PM
To: kd7gc
Subject: BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax

 

I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a
number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other
kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost? 

My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors. 

Thanks, 

73, phil, K7PEH 

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From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com  Thu Oct  9 07:17:58 2014
From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 04:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <54366597.1050405@charter.net>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>
Message-ID: <110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>

I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:

> Phil,
> 
> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.
> 
> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)
> 
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?
>> 
>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH

From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com  Thu Oct  9 07:28:12 2014
From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 04:28:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <34CFA31D-FA56-43A3-B59E-53F59E7CAA87@gmx.com>

Here is a source for the connector that I believe you are seeking.

http://www.newark.com/amphenol-connex/112597/rf-coaxial-bnc-plug-str-50-ohm/dp/99H4490?ost=99H4490

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Dennis Griffin <EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com> wrote:

> I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.
> 
> 73 de Dennis KD7CAC
> Scottsdale, AZ
> 
> On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>> Phil,
>> 
>> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.
>> 
>> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Joel - W4JBB
>> 
>> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?
>>> 
>>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 73, phil, K7PEH

From w4jbb at charter.net  Thu Oct  9 07:34:09 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <5436684B.3050909@charter.net>
References: <5436684B.3050909@charter.net>
Message-ID: <543672B1.3040509@charter.net>

Sorry if this is a duplicate. I didn't see it post and I want to make 
sure my previous post (mistake) gets corrected.

73,
Joel - W4JBB


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
Date: 	Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:49:47 -0500
From: 	Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net>
To: 	elecraft at mailman.qth.net



Umm... Phil, I got the part number incorrect.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I ordered or from whom. The part number I
gave you was for a Pro-flex cable so disregard that part number. That
part number is from a diagram on connector assembly (it had been 25
years since I put a BNC connector together and that was in tech school).

That said, RF Industries does make solder-pin / clamp connectors and The
Wireman sells solder-pin / clamp connectors for RG-8x. Call and ask
them, but it looks like their (The Wireman) part number for a male BNC
for RG-8x is 1308. The RG-8x BNC connector from RF Industries is an
RFB-1101-1X.

Sorry for the confusion.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 10/9/14, 5:38 AM, Joel Black wrote:
> Phil,
>
> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P.
> These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where
> they were purchased.
>
> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my
> KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an
> antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one
> end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I
> have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)
>
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
>
> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have
>> found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there
>> are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for
>> reasonable cost?
>>
>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use
>> indoors.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
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From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com  Thu Oct  9 07:59:00 2014
From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 04:59:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>
	<110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <E4171CCB-63A8-49DB-A689-FF8CBC46F66E@gmx.com>

Sorry, here is a source for a connector similar to what I believe you are seeking, Phil, except that it's for LMR-200. The Tessco & TimesMicrowave sites also have good connector, and coax, info.

http://www.newark.com/amphenol-connex/112597/rf-coaxial-bnc-plug-str-50-ohm/dp/99H4490?ost=99H4490

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Dennis Griffin <EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com> wrote:

> I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.
> 
> 73 de Dennis KD7CAC
> Scottsdale, AZ
> 
> On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>> Phil,
>> 
>> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.
>> 
>> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Joel - W4JBB
>> 
>> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?
>>> 
>>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 73, phil, K7PEH

From kk4oyj at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 07:59:17 2014
From: kk4oyj at gmail.com (John, 9H5G)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:59:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen
Message-ID: <48521420-BA94-4D67-8685-0D86ADA305DB@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just a request to ask you if you might keep your eyes open for the above. It was in my checked baggage (no option :( ) on Tuesday and seems to have been mislaid at Gatwick Airport in the UK. However, it has not reappeared anywhere and so if you see it offered for sale, please get as much detail as you can and forward to me privately.

73 de John, 9H5G

From thomas at horsten.com  Thu Oct  9 08:17:09 2014
From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 14:17:09 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen
In-Reply-To: <48521420-BA94-4D67-8685-0D86ADA305DB@gmail.com>
References: <48521420-BA94-4D67-8685-0D86ADA305DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPaRxgRqsogb8a6PUog7TTwE=DG8Gr_dJj=TS0RM57x_O2ZimA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

Sorry to hear it - hope it turns up eventually! In any case does it have
any distinguishing marks/features? I often window-shop for Elecraft
equipment on eBay etc, and they don't always write the serial number
(certainly wouldn't if they're stolen), but anything that would be obvious
in a photo might help.

Personally I've also ID'd my K3 and some of my other equipment internally,
so someone working on the equipment would find it but a thief trying to
sell it wouldn't. Might not get me my equipment back, but if it ended up in
the hands of an honest ham at least the thief might get caught.

73, Thomas OZ5TN (aka M0TRN)

On 9 October 2014 13:59, John, 9H5G <kk4oyj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a request to ask you if you might keep your eyes open for the above.
> It was in my checked baggage (no option :( ) on Tuesday and seems to have
> been mislaid at Gatwick Airport in the UK. However, it has not reappeared
> anywhere and so if you see it offered for sale, please get as much detail
> as you can and forward to me privately.
>
> 73 de John, 9H5G
> ______________________________________________________________
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Oct  9 09:01:33 2014
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:01:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <E4171CCB-63A8-49DB-A689-FF8CBC46F66E@gmx.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>
	<110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>
	<E4171CCB-63A8-49DB-A689-FF8CBC46F66E@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <1412859693.8248.25.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Hi,
Looking at the tech spec sheet I don't see a power rating?  Also
remember these are 75 ohm connectors...  Anyone know what the max power
you can pump through one of these are?

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
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http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 04:59 -0700, Dennis Griffin wrote:
> Sorry, here is a source for a connector similar to what I believe you are seeking, Phil, except that it's for LMR-200. The Tessco & TimesMicrowave sites also have good connector, and coax, info.
> 
> http://www.newark.com/amphenol-connex/112597/rf-coaxial-bnc-plug-str-50-ohm/dp/99H4490?ost=99H4490
> 
> 73 de Dennis KD7CAC
> Scottsdale, AZ
> 
> On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Dennis Griffin <EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.
> > 
> > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC
> > Scottsdale, AZ
> > 
> > On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Phil,
> >> 
> >> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.
> >> 
> >> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)
> >> 
> >> 73,
> >> Joel - W4JBB
> >> 
> >> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> >>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?
> >>> 
> >>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> 73, phil, K7PEH
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From dave at lanks.plus.com  Thu Oct  9 09:13:25 2014
From: dave at lanks.plus.com (Dave Lankshear)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 14:13:25 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX3 Transceiver / KXPA100 Amp FS in UK
Message-ID: <74F6EDCFC43F48A4A36E59E016DD3443@DaveLLaptop>

Would you consider splitting?

 

Thanks & 73.  Dave G3TJP


From w7aqk at cox.net  Thu Oct  9 09:19:35 2014
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 06:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic/Phone Adapter Question
Message-ID: <BC242B9A877F44F5901C44E4D0DAF987@TDYDell>

Jim and All,

Jim Bennett posted his results from buying a relatively inexpensive gaming 
headset for use with his KX3.  I'm not surprised his results are good, but I 
do wonder if that headset is not one that uses an electret cartridge--most 
of the PC headsets do.  Did you try it with the bias on?  I'm not familiar 
with the AC-404, but most computer headsets are electrets, or at least I 
think they are.

Electrets are generally excellent choices for use with the Elecraft rigs. 
The headset that Elecraft sells (made by Heil I think) is an electret.  So 
are the hand microphones.

Jim Brown's analysis of the Yamaha CM-500, which many of us use, is a case 
in point as to how many of these less expensive headsets can do a very good 
job, and match up with the rigs very nicely once you make all the necessary 
adjustments, etc.  Jim apparently tested several different ones, and found 
the Yamaha to be the best match.  Electrets can vary a good bit, but nearly 
all of them should work if connected correctly.  I've gotten excellent 
reports just using a cheap Radio Shack electret cartridge which I inserted 
in an old microphone housing.

For me, switching to the Yamaha CM-500 was as much about the improvement I 
realized in the headphone portion.  The Heil headset I own, and the Elecraft 
headset I also own (made by Heil), were very disappointing to me as far as 
the headphone performance.  I don't think I'm the only one who felt the 
Heils were inadequate as to headphone performance.

I see that Heil has a new headset available, and for a "mere" $250!!!  I'm 
sure they have some beneficial features, but it is very difficult for me to 
envision $200 of benefit over my Yamaha!

In any event, if you have a PC headset laying around, or have access to one, 
give it a try.  You might be pleasantly surprised at the result.  Just be 
sure to wire it up correctly.

Dave W7AQK



From K2TK at att.net  Thu Oct  9 10:11:29 2014
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:11:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <34CFA31D-FA56-43A3-B59E-53F59E7CAA87@gmx.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>	<110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>
	<34CFA31D-FA56-43A3-B59E-53F59E7CAA87@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <54369791.5050707@att.net>

I have not bought that type connector but have bought others and their Bury-Flex 
coax from Davis RF.  Here is their connector list:

http://www.davisrf.com/rf-connectors.php

They show both a crimp and a clamp type for BNC and RG8X.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?
>>>>
>>>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>


From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Oct  9 10:17:16 2014
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen
In-Reply-To: <CAPaRxgRqsogb8a6PUog7TTwE=DG8Gr_dJj=TS0RM57x_O2ZimA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48521420-BA94-4D67-8685-0D86ADA305DB@gmail.com>
	<CAPaRxgRqsogb8a6PUog7TTwE=DG8Gr_dJj=TS0RM57x_O2ZimA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201410090917.17026.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

Hmmm... maybe Elecraft should start including an extra serial number sticker 
or two for _inside_ the rig? "Back when" at a company where I worked in the 
IT department computers suddenly started disappearing. (I think this was in 
the days prior to the ubiquitous security camera.) I don't remember the exact 
details, but somehow the cops tracked down an employee with several company 
machines at his home (I think he was intending to resell them.) He had pulled 
the serial number stickers off the back, but at the time Gateway, in their 
infinite wisdom (or more likely for warranty verification purposes) also put 
serial number stickers on every subassembly inside their machines.

Can you say "sitting duck" for nailing the perp?

73, Al
 
On Thu October 9 2014 7:17:09 am Thomas Horsten wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Sorry to hear it - hope it turns up eventually! In any case does it have
> any distinguishing marks/features? I often window-shop for Elecraft
> equipment on eBay etc, and they don't always write the serial number
> (certainly wouldn't if they're stolen), but anything that would be obvious
> in a photo might help.
>
> Personally I've also ID'd my K3 and some of my other equipment internally,
> so someone working on the equipment would find it but a thief trying to
> sell it wouldn't. Might not get me my equipment back, but if it ended up in
> the hands of an honest ham at least the thief might get caught.
>
> 73, Thomas OZ5TN (aka M0TRN)
>
> On 9 October 2014 13:59, John, 9H5G <kk4oyj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just a request to ask you if you might keep your eyes open for the above.
> > It was in my checked baggage (no option :( ) on Tuesday and seems to have
> > been mislaid at Gatwick Airport in the UK. However, it has not reappeared
> > anywhere and so if you see it offered for sale, please get as much detail
> > as you can and forward to me privately.
> >
> > 73 de John, 9H5G
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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> > Message delivered to thomas at horsten.com
>
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From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Oct  9 10:24:31 2014
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:24:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic/Phone Adapter Question
In-Reply-To: <BC242B9A877F44F5901C44E4D0DAF987@TDYDell>
References: <BC242B9A877F44F5901C44E4D0DAF987@TDYDell>
Message-ID: <201410090924.32005.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

Dave,

Good point. Maybe someone could start a wiki/how-to/database of which computer 
headsets or mics work and how they need to be wired and configured. If others 
are like myself, there are at least one or two of these headsets available at 
the QTH....

73, Al

On Thu October 9 2014 8:19:35 am w7aqk at cox.net wrote:
> Jim and All,
>
> Jim Bennett posted his results from buying a relatively inexpensive gaming
> headset for use with his KX3.  I'm not surprised his results are good, but
> I do wonder if that headset is not one that uses an electret
> cartridge--most of the PC headsets do.  Did you try it with the bias on? 
> I'm not familiar with the AC-404, but most computer headsets are electrets,
> or at least I think they are.
>
> Electrets are generally excellent choices for use with the Elecraft rigs.
> The headset that Elecraft sells (made by Heil I think) is an electret.  So
> are the hand microphones.
>
> Jim Brown's analysis of the Yamaha CM-500, which many of us use, is a case
> in point as to how many of these less expensive headsets can do a very good
> job, and match up with the rigs very nicely once you make all the necessary
> adjustments, etc.  Jim apparently tested several different ones, and found
> the Yamaha to be the best match.  Electrets can vary a good bit, but nearly
> all of them should work if connected correctly.  I've gotten excellent
> reports just using a cheap Radio Shack electret cartridge which I inserted
> in an old microphone housing.
>
> For me, switching to the Yamaha CM-500 was as much about the improvement I
> realized in the headphone portion.  The Heil headset I own, and the
> Elecraft headset I also own (made by Heil), were very disappointing to me
> as far as the headphone performance.  I don't think I'm the only one who
> felt the Heils were inadequate as to headphone performance.
>
> I see that Heil has a new headset available, and for a "mere" $250!!!  I'm
> sure they have some beneficial features, but it is very difficult for me to
> envision $200 of benefit over my Yamaha!
>
> In any event, if you have a PC headset laying around, or have access to
> one, give it a try.  You might be pleasantly surprised at the result.  Just
> be sure to wire it up correctly.
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From n3wg at pignology.net  Thu Oct  9 10:39:07 2014
From: n3wg at pignology.net (Nick Garner)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:39:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Pignology Pacificon Online Sale
Message-ID: <CAD4uGvSVz4H0ACO=2JcYetSK0rkoFf_yPtVqmP85Sz17hc+dhw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,
Pignology products will be 10% off at Pacificon and I'll be extending this
discount to the online store from today through Sunday (Oct. 12, 2014) for
anyone who can't make it to the show.  This discount includes Piglet,
PigKnob, and PigRemote.  Anything purchased online will ship next week
based on availability.

The store is located at http://shop.pignology.net.

If you make it to the show, stop by and say Hi!

73,
Nick
N3WG

From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Oct  9 11:00:08 2014
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen: follow up
In-Reply-To: <201410090917.17026.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
References: <48521420-BA94-4D67-8685-0D86ADA305DB@gmail.com>
	<CAPaRxgRqsogb8a6PUog7TTwE=DG8Gr_dJj=TS0RM57x_O2ZimA@mail.gmail.com>
	<201410090917.17026.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <201410091000.08946.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

I have had several off-list replies reminding me that the serial number of the 
rig is embedded in the firmware. Point taken. However, my suggestion is aimed 
at ease of identification by law enforcement when they're inventorying a 
stash of stolen goods. (Put the internal sticker where it is visible via an 
easily removed panel.)

73, Al

On Thu October 9 2014 9:17:16 am Al Gulseth wrote:
> Hmmm... maybe Elecraft should start including an extra serial number
> sticker or two for _inside_ the rig? "Back when" at a company where I
> worked in the IT department computers suddenly started disappearing. (I
> think this was in the days prior to the ubiquitous security camera.) I
> don't remember the exact details, but somehow the cops tracked down an
> employee with several company machines at his home (I think he was
> intending to resell them.) He had pulled the serial number stickers off the
> back, but at the time Gateway, in their infinite wisdom (or more likely for
> warranty verification purposes) also put serial number stickers on every
> subassembly inside their machines.
>
> Can you say "sitting duck" for nailing the perp?
>
> 73, Al
>
> On Thu October 9 2014 7:17:09 am Thomas Horsten wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Sorry to hear it - hope it turns up eventually! In any case does it have
> > any distinguishing marks/features? I often window-shop for Elecraft
> > equipment on eBay etc, and they don't always write the serial number
> > (certainly wouldn't if they're stolen), but anything that would be
> > obvious in a photo might help.
> >
> > Personally I've also ID'd my K3 and some of my other equipment
> > internally, so someone working on the equipment would find it but a thief
> > trying to sell it wouldn't. Might not get me my equipment back, but if it
> > ended up in the hands of an honest ham at least the thief might get
> > caught.
> >
> > 73, Thomas OZ5TN (aka M0TRN)
> >
> > On 9 October 2014 13:59, John, 9H5G <kk4oyj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Just a request to ask you if you might keep your eyes open for the
> > > above. It was in my checked baggage (no option :( ) on Tuesday and
> > > seems to have been mislaid at Gatwick Airport in the UK. However, it
> > > has not reappeared anywhere and so if you see it offered for sale,
> > > please get as much detail as you can and forward to me privately.
> > >
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From phystad at mac.com  Thu Oct  9 11:11:03 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:11:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4ZQycNj-bGHEarF6K6hcHzqak4J2u0MLV1nzxM5=7L07A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <A6F9ACBB-6EE2-4CC7-9868-EE0E0DDB410B@mac.com>

Thanks to all of you who answered my question and gave some pointers to vendors or resources for ordering and information.  I am following up today with a few of the sites and I have already sent an e-mail to the WiFi Expert site.

73, phil, K7PEH


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct  9 11:34:08 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:34:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <1412859693.8248.25.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>	<110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>	<E4171CCB-63A8-49DB-A689-FF8CBC46F66E@gmx.com>
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I don't think you will have trouble with legal power.  I regularly run 1 KW through RG8X without problems.  I did have some trouble running over about 400 watts with a Carolina Windom running RG8X but I don't know what was shorting, the coax or the chokes or balun.  RG8X is the same outer diameter as RG-79 so the RG-79 BNC will fit.  The impedance bump is so short that you will not notice it at 6 meters or below.  If you are trying to run microwave, you might have trouble buy the pin and socket are the same for the RG-58 and RG-59 connectors. The insulation thickness is what makes RG-8X have a higher rating than RG-58.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart


On Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:01 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
 


Hi,
Looking at the tech spec sheet I don't see a power rating?  Also
remember these are 75 ohm connectors...  Anyone know what the max power
you can pump through one of these are?-- Thanks and 73's,For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:www.nk7z.netfor MixW support see;http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/infofor Dopplergram information see:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/infofor MM-SSTV see:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/infoOn Thu, 2014-10-09 at 04:59 -0700, Dennis Griffin wrote:> Sorry, here is a source for a connector similar to what I believe you are seeking, Phil, except that it's for LMR-200. The Tessco & TimesMicrowave sites also have good connector, and coax, info.> > http://www.newark.com/amphenol-connex/112597/rf-coaxial-bnc-plug-str-50-ohm/dp/99H4490?ost=99H4490> > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC> Scottsdale, AZ> > On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Dennis Griffin <EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com> wrote:> > > I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF
 Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.> > > > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC> > Scottsdale, AZ> > > > On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:> > > >> Phil,> >> > >> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.> >> > >> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)> >> > >> 73,> >> Joel - W4JBB> >> > >> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:> >>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style
 connectors but I am wondering if there are any other kind to consider.  Are the crimp style the best for reasonable cost?> >>> > >>> My application does not need to be weather protective -- all use indoors.> >>> > >>> Thanks,> >>> > >>> 73, phil, K7PEH> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net


























































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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 11:41:21 2014
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:41:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and the UN-MODULE things
Message-ID: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>

Hello,
I have a used K2 (2007 build) with KDSP2, KAT2, KNB2 and internal gel cell battery.
I have ordered the KSB2 SSB option as well as the 160m band/aux receive option.
If anyone remembers putting these options in, were there any lessons learned and so any recommendations you might be able to pass on to someone installing thesefor the first time ?
Thanks for any comments,
Doug





 

 		 	   		  

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Oct  9 11:50:22 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:50:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <1412868848.34958.YahooMailNeo@web181001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <E0F27A9B-BF9D-4DD0-B823-9BDF312CE996@mac.com>	<54366597.1050405@charter.net>	<110300BB-4B2A-4866-861B-B0BBE6418EC9@gmx.com>	<E4171CCB-63A8-49DB-A689-FF8CBC46F66E@gmx.com>
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BNC power handling is similar to UHF connectors. BNC connectors are rated for 500V, same as UHF connectors. Amphenol does not specify contact resistance for UHF connectors. The full BNC specs are here:

http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/CatalogPages/BNC.pdf

wunder
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CM87wj
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On Oct 9, 2014, at 8:34 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I don't think you will have trouble with legal power.  I regularly run 1 KW through RG8X without problems.  I did have some trouble running over about 400 watts with a Carolina Windom running RG8X but I don't know what was shorting, the coax or the chokes or balun.  RG8X is the same outer diameter as RG-79 so the RG-79 BNC will fit.  The impedance bump is so short that you will not notice it at 6 meters or below.  If you are trying to run microwave, you might have trouble buy the pin and socket are the same for the RG-58 and RG-59 connectors. The insulation thickness is what makes RG-8X have a higher rating than RG-58.
> 
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:01 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Looking at the tech spec sheet I don't see a power rating?  Also
> remember these are 75 ohm connectors...  Anyone know what the max power
> you can pump through one of these are?-- Thanks and 73's,For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:www.nk7z.netfor MixW support see;http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/infofor Dopplergram information see:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/infofor MM-SSTV see:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/infoOn Thu, 2014-10-09 at 04:59 -0700, Dennis Griffin wrote:> Sorry, here is a source for a connector similar to what I believe you are seeking, Phil, except that it's for LMR-200. The Tessco & TimesMicrowave sites also have good connector, and coax, info.> > http://www.newark.com/amphenol-connex/112597/rf-coaxial-bnc-plug-str-50-ohm/dp/99H4490?ost=99H4490> > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC> Scottsdale, AZ> > On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Dennis Griffin <EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com> wrote:> > > I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF
> Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.> > > > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC> > Scottsdale, AZ> > > > On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:> > > >> Phil,> >> > >> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.> >> > >> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)> >> > >> 73,> >> Joel - W4JBB> >> > >> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:> >>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style
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From HALL at cotr.bc.ca  Thu Oct  9 12:03:22 2014
From: HALL at cotr.bc.ca (Hall, Nathon)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 16:03:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft]  Terminal Emulator for MAC OS X
Message-ID: <d973317c67ec4a9897700a6da43ea83a@EX2013-MB.cotrnet.cotr.bc.ca>


Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:35:12 +0000
From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Terminal Emulator for MAC OS X
Message-ID: <D059918A.6B90%edauer at law.du.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Programming a Pig Knob for the K3 requires a terminal emulator, and the built-in app in OS X seems not up to the job.  Can anyone recommend a good app for the purpose?  Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR

--

I use CoolTerm a lot in my work. Actually prefer it to the emulators available on Windows. Since the mac has no hardware serial ports, I connect through a Keyspan USB adapter. Very reliable.

Nathon, VE7ETS


From w5jv at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 12:25:55 2014
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m
In-Reply-To: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL129-W76A9903C9EB2AA2F0060A591A00@phx.gbl>

Sorry for the bad subject line on my first message.  I was going to ask about the UNPCBSthings and then decided not to.  Here's my original question:

I have a used K2 (2007 build) with KDSP2, KAT2, KNB2 and internal gel cell battery.
I have ordered the KSB2 SSB option as well as the 160m band/aux receive option.
If anyone remembers putting these options in, were there any lessons learned and so any recommendations you might be able to pass on to someone installing thesefor the first time ?
Thanks for any comments,
Doug





 

 		 	   		   		 	   		  

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct  9 12:54:56 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 09:54:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic/Phone Adapter Question
In-Reply-To: <BC242B9A877F44F5901C44E4D0DAF987@TDYDell>
References: <BC242B9A877F44F5901C44E4D0DAF987@TDYDell>
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On Thu,10/9/2014 6:19 AM, w7aqk at cox.net wrote:
> Jim apparently tested several different ones, and found the Yamaha to 
> be the best match.

Hardly. :)  W6XU introduced our contest club, NCCC, to the CM500 several 
years ago. Over a period of ten years or so, I've evaluated perhaps as 
many as a dozen cheapo headsets with electret mics. ALL of the mics work 
fine and sound good with the K3 and other rigs, but there is HUGE 
variation in the quality and comfort of the headphones.  I've seen 
reference to a Koss model similar to the CM500s that is described as 
comfortable and sounding good.

> Electrets can vary a good bit, but nearly all of them should work if 
> connected correctly. 

Yes. Some of the first I tested were from a salesman's sample kit of 
Plantronics products. All worked fine, but none were comfortable. Ditto 
for several computer headsets I bought a few years ago for use with Skype.

73, Jim K9YC



From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Oct  9 13:01:40 2014
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:01:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and the Heil Gold Elite Michrophone
Message-ID: <443A65BF-47A5-4244-839A-FF0BE66AC73A@me.com>

Friends, you are an incredible group of amateur radio enthusiasts, and I am so looking forward my KX3 kit and it?s companion KXPA100 arriving next week. I?m transitioning from the Kenwood TS-480HX (no complaints about it at all) where I use Bob Heil?s Gold Elite michrophone (little bit of a base boost to really impress people, and a switch that allows you to narrow up the audio to push through pile-ups). Heil does not have a KX3 cable or an adapter for the Gold Elite. Does anyone use a Heil microphone with the KX3?
Many thanks. This list, BTW, convinced me to get on board.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT
Los Angeles



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From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Oct  9 13:02:18 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic/Phone Adapter Question
In-Reply-To: <5436BDE0.7010302@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <BC242B9A877F44F5901C44E4D0DAF987@TDYDell>
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I probably should have noted (maybe I did...?) that my purpose of the cheapie headset was not necessarily for use in the shack, but to take with me on hikes, car camping, back patio operating, etc. In these cases, super-comfort was not the primary objective - operability and compactness were what I was looking for. I needed something light weight and not real big. The headset I got on Amazon fit the bill for my use. I'd much rather be using the CM500 with the KX3, but they are simply too big to jam into a small bag with the KX3.

As with other posts - YMMV. :-)

Jim / W6JHB

On   Thursday, Oct 9, 2014, at  Thursday, 9:54 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Thu,10/9/2014 6:19 AM, w7aqk at cox.net wrote:
>> Jim apparently tested several different ones, and found the Yamaha to be the best match.
> 
> Hardly. :)  W6XU introduced our contest club, NCCC, to the CM500 several years ago. Over a period of ten years or so, I've evaluated perhaps as many as a dozen cheapo headsets with electret mics. ALL of the mics work fine and sound good with the K3 and other rigs, but there is HUGE variation in the quality and comfort of the headphones.  I've seen reference to a Koss model similar to the CM500s that is described as comfortable and sounding good.
> 
>> Electrets can vary a good bit, but nearly all of them should work if connected correctly. 
> 
> Yes. Some of the first I tested were from a salesman's sample kit of Plantronics products. All worked fine, but none were comfortable. Ditto for several computer headsets I bought a few years ago for use with Skype.
> 
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  9 13:16:19 2014
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Pignology Pacificon Online Sale
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Howdy Nick I will be at Pacificon as well in the Elecraft booth... see you up there.

I owe you a beer (or other beverage of choice)  for helping me out!



On Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:40 AM, Nick Garner-2 [via Elecraft] <ml-node+s365791n7593734h88 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
 


Hello Everyone, 
Pignology products will be 10% off at Pacificon and I'll be extending this 
discount to the online store from today through Sunday (Oct. 12, 2014) for 
anyone who can't make it to the show.  This discount includes Piglet, 
PigKnob, and PigRemote.  Anything purchased online will ship next week 
based on availability. 

The store is located at http://shop.pignology.net. 

If you make it to the show, stop by and say Hi! 

73, 
Nick 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct  9 13:24:04 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:24:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and the Heil Gold Elite Michrophone
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On Thu,10/9/2014 10:01 AM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> little bit of a base boost to really impress people,

Bass boost is a REALLY bad idea, because it steals TX power for voice 
content that reduces speech intelligibility. The best EQ for competitive 
SSB is severe rolloff below 400 Hz, flat above that. The good news is 
that the graphic EQ built into the KX3 makes this easy.

73, Jim K9YC

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  9 13:35:29 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:35:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
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There is good reason why power ratings are not stated. Ratings vary by frequency and particularly by VSWR. Using a tuner may improve the load seen by the rig but will also increase losses on the antenna side of the tuner.  Skin effect means only the outer 1% of the conductor is passing current. I would think twice about running more than 100 watts at HF or 50 watts at VHF and above through a BNC connector, never mind the coax. 

73, Fred, AE6QL

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>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
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>BNC power handling is similar to UHF connectors. BNC connectors are rated for 500V, same as UHF connectors. Amphenol does not specify contact resistance for UHF connectors. The full BNC specs are here:
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>http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/CatalogPages/BNC.pdf
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>On Oct 9, 2014, at 8:34 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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>> I don't think you will have trouble with legal power.  I regularly run 1 KW through RG8X without problems.  I did have some trouble running over about 400 watts with a Carolina Windom running RG8X but I don't know what was shorting, the coax or the chokes or balun.  RG8X is the same outer diameter as RG-79 so the RG-79 BNC will fit.  The impedance bump is so short that you will not notice it at 6 meters or below.  If you are trying to run microwave, you might have trouble buy the pin and socket are the same for the RG-58 and RG-59 connectors. The insulation thickness is what makes RG-8X have a higher rating than RG-58.
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>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
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>> Looking at the tech spec sheet I don't see a power rating?  Also
>> remember these are 75 ohm connectors...  Anyone know what the max power
>> you can pump through one of these are?-- Thanks and 73's,For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:www.nk7z.netfor MixW support see;http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/infofor Dopplergram information see:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/infofor MM-SSTV see:http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/infoOn Thu, 2014-10-09 at 04:59 -0700, Dennis Griffin wrote:> Sorry, here is a source for a connector similar to what I believe you are seeking, Phil, except that it's for LMR-200. The Tessco & TimesMicrowave sites also have good connector, and coax, info.> > http://www.newark.com/amphenol-connex/112597/rf-coaxial-bnc-plug-str-50-ohm/dp/99H4490?ost=99H4490> > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC> Scottsdale, AZ> > On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:17 AM, Dennis Griffin <EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com> wrote:> > > I have ordered several jumper/adapter cables made with RG174 from WiFi RF Expert. They have been good quality. An example is a 24" RG174 BNC Male 90? to UHF
>> Female for $12.29. He can custom make most anything an OM might want. RF Parts is a source for various RF connectors & inline adapters.> > > > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC> > Scottsdale, AZ> > > > On Oct 9, 2014, at 3:38 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:> > > >> Phil,> >> > >> When I need one, I have been using the RF Industries RFB-1101-1P. These are solder-pin / clamp connectors. I don't remember from where they were purchased.> >> > >> I don't remember what put me on these. I use them indoors only from my KX3 to an antenna switch and from the RX connector on my K3 to an antenna switch. I also have a 25' piece of RG-8x with a PL-259 on one end and the BNC on the other for when I go to the park and operate. I have not had any failures with them; your mileage may vary. :)> >> > >> 73,> >> Joel - W4JBB> >> > >> On 10/9/14, 12:18 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:> >>> I am looking to use BNC (male) connectors for RG-8X cable.  I have found a number of crimp style
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct  9 14:16:57 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Wayne Burdick interviewed on QSO Today
In-Reply-To: <m16f3c+g9edur@YahooGroups.com>
References: <m16f3c+g9edur@YahooGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3E3CA6CA-4F5A-4690-99BE-D48A3B5F8563@elecraft.com>

Eric Guth (4Z1UG) has done a great job with his "QSO Today" podcast, in which hams tell their personal stories:

   http://www.qsotoday.com/

He and I reminisced a bit about when we lived in San Diego as teens, and both got interested in radio. The hour-long interview ("QSO") branched into many other areas as well.

I'd encourage everyone to listen to earlier segments of his podcast. And if you know someone who might have a good story or two to tell, please make a recommendation.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:02 AM, "lnisenoff at yahoo.com [KX3]" <KX3 at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> I found this link on QRZ for an interview with Elecraft's Wayne Burdick.   It was an interesting interview about his background and how Elecraft came into existence. 
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> QSO Today - from parent's garage to Elecraft - Wayne, N6KR's ham radio journey
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> QSO Today - from parent's garage to Elecraft - Wayne...
> Elecraft s co-founder and CTO, Wayne Burdick, N6KR, joins Eric, 4Z1UG, on another QSO Today. Wayne's fascination with home brewing from an early age ?





From wrmoore47 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 14:46:18 2014
From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Two questions
Message-ID: <5436D7FA.7090501@gmail.com>

Just installed the 160m module in a friend's K2 and made a couple of 
observations.

1.  I assume this is working as designed (and has nothing to do with 
installing the 160m module), but I found that the antenna setting 
(ANT1/ANT2 from the KAT2 that was already in the radio) is not always 
remembered over a power cycle.  It looks like it is saved if I switch 
bands after setting the antenna and then doing a power cycle, but 
otherwise it reverts to the previous setting.  My K2 does the same 
thing, so I don't think its anything about my fiend's K2. So what are 
the rules about saving ANT1/ANT2 over a power cycle?  Both K2's are 
running the same firmware (2.04).

2. This one may be a problem.  I was testing the 160m module.  At power 
settings below around 8w, all is well.  Above 8w, after sending a few 
characters of CW then stopping, there's about a 0.5s delay and then 
there's a crash of static that also lasts about 0.5s.  This is 
definitely in sync with my transmission and not atmospheric in nature. 
I checked the power supply voltage under load (from the K2's voltage 
readout) and around the 8w level, it was running around 12.2 volts. 
This was from a battery.  I changed to my regular power supply, which 
the K2 shows as about 12.6v under the 8w load, and the static crash goes 
away.  What would cause this behavior with source voltage near 12v, and 
is there something I can do about it in the K2?

Otherwise, my friend's K2 is working great!  I need to play with mine 
more often and let the K3 take a rest!  :-)

Thanks!

73,
Randy, KS4L

From gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 12:12:59 2014
From: gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com (Gary W. Hvizdak)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:12:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and the UN-MODULE things
Message-ID: <010a01cfe3db$e53cbe20$afb63a60$@cfl.rr.com>

A few minutes ago, Doug (W5JV) posted .

"I have a used K2 ... I have ordered the KSB2 SSB option ..."

--- - - - ---

Hi Doug,

    Take a look at the Rework Eliminator(TM) K2 Internal Mic Adaptor at
http://www.unpcbs.com/adaptor especially if you don't yet know what mic
you'll be using, or if you currently own more than one mic (with differing
pin-outs).

73,
Gary  KI4GGX
webmaster, http://www.unpcbs.com/ 



From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 14:56:15 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 21:56:15 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a K3 macro command to bypass ATU?
Message-ID: <5436DA4F.1050400@gmail.com>

I am pretty sure that there is no way to tell the K3 to bypass or enable 
the ATU in a macro command except by simulating the button press. Am I 
correct?

What I want to do is make my "amplifier on" and "amplifier off" macros 
bypass the ATU when the amp is on but enable it when the K3 is directly 
connected to the antenna. Right now they just adjust the power output.

The simulated button presses are not a good solution because you can't 
tell whether the tuner is off or on.

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct  9 15:35:29 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:35:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a K3 macro command to bypass ATU?
In-Reply-To: <5436DA4F.1050400@gmail.com>
References: <5436DA4F.1050400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5436E381.2050302@subich.com>


See the K3 & KX3 Programmers Reference for the MN command -
specifically MN023.  You will also need to check the MP command
for the specific states but something like MN023;MP001;MN255;
should enable the KAT3 and MN023;MP000;MN255; should bypass the
KAT3.  Note I have not verified the specific MP values.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-09 2:56 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
> I am pretty sure that there is no way to tell the K3 to bypass or enable
> the ATU in a macro command except by simulating the button press. Am I
> correct?
>
> What I want to do is make my "amplifier on" and "amplifier off" macros
> bypass the ATU when the amp is on but enable it when the K3 is directly
> connected to the antenna. Right now they just adjust the power output.
>
> The simulated button presses are not a good solution because you can't
> tell whether the tuner is off or on.
>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct  9 16:22:36 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m
In-Reply-To: <COL129-W76A9903C9EB2AA2F0060A591A00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>
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Doug,

The best advice for installing options in the K2 is to simply follow the 
instructions in order and work carefully.  After you have installed the 
same option 3 times or more, you might be able to take some liberties 
with the instructions, but not the first time.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/9/2014 12:25 PM, Doug Hensley wrote:
> Sorry for the bad subject line on my first message.  I was going to ask about the UNPCBSthings and then decided not to.  Here's my original question:
>
> I have a used K2 (2007 build) with KDSP2, KAT2, KNB2 and internal gel cell battery.
> I have ordered the KSB2 SSB option as well as the 160m band/aux receive option.
> If anyone remembers putting these options in, were there any lessons learned and so any recommendations you might be able to pass on to someone installing thesefor the first time ?
> Thanks for any comments,
> Doug
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct  9 16:27:52 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:27:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Two questions
In-Reply-To: <5436D7FA.7090501@gmail.com>
References: <5436D7FA.7090501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5436EFC8.4030808@embarqmail.com>

Randy,

As you discovered, the selected antenna (and  frequency, and mode) may 
be lost over a power cycle UNLESS you do a band change.  So if you want 
these states recorded after changing them on a particular band, do a 
band change before powering off.

On the 'static clash', check the T-R delay setting and also make sure 
you have 8R HOLD turned on.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/9/2014 2:46 PM, Randy Moore wrote:
> Just installed the 160m module in a friend's K2 and made a couple of 
> observations.
>
> 1.  I assume this is working as designed (and has nothing to do with 
> installing the 160m module), but I found that the antenna setting 
> (ANT1/ANT2 from the KAT2 that was already in the radio) is not always 
> remembered over a power cycle.  It looks like it is saved if I switch 
> bands after setting the antenna and then doing a power cycle, but 
> otherwise it reverts to the previous setting.  My K2 does the same 
> thing, so I don't think its anything about my fiend's K2. So what are 
> the rules about saving ANT1/ANT2 over a power cycle?  Both K2's are 
> running the same firmware (2.04).
>
> 2. This one may be a problem.  I was testing the 160m module.  At 
> power settings below around 8w, all is well.  Above 8w, after sending 
> a few characters of CW then stopping, there's about a 0.5s delay and 
> then there's a crash of static that also lasts about 0.5s.  This is 
> definitely in sync with my transmission and not atmospheric in nature. 
> I checked the power supply voltage under load (from the K2's voltage 
> readout) and around the 8w level, it was running around 12.2 volts. 
> This was from a battery.  I changed to my regular power supply, which 
> the K2 shows as about 12.6v under the 8w load, and the static crash 
> goes away.  What would cause this behavior with source voltage near 
> 12v, and is there something I can do about it in the K2?


From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com  Thu Oct  9 16:37:05 2014
From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 13:37:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
In-Reply-To: <20727996.1412876130540.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20727996.1412876130540.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F117B033-9D3F-43FF-9D98-3568C84529BE@gmx.com>

Hi Fred et al,

Thanks for mentioning that, for those that may not be aware. My interest in BNC connectors, back when I researched them, was primarily for convenience and inter-connectivity when operating QRP with the likes of an FT-817 or KX3, as well as older HT's with BNC duckie connectors. I just felt that various BNC based adapters would be handy to have in a go bag, especially when use of Buddipole products was a possibility. I bought several LMR-200 based connectors, coax stripper & a good interchangeable die crimper so as to be able to make up jumpers and adapters as a need arose. It is highly unlikely that I would ever deploy such items if much over 10W of RF output would be used.

Also, since they will handle 500V, and since a lot of OM's bad mouth Anderson Power Poles, I though they would be good for some 12VDC nominal power connectors also. And if that statement raised your hackles, it's almost Friday, so I'm feeling a bit silly and wanted to see if I could get a rise out of the audience, hi. FWIW, I'm a heavy user of APP's, and am fond of them. The fact that they can separate with moderate force has probably saved me from damaging something when I've jumped off of a motorcycle or bicycle, while supporting a PS event, forgetting that I was tethered by a cable joined with APP's.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ


On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Fred Townsend <fptownsend at earthlink.net> wrote:

> There is good reason why power ratings are not stated. Ratings vary by frequency and particularly by VSWR. Using a tuner may improve the load seen by the rig but will also increase losses on the antenna side of the tuner.  Skin effect means only the outer 1% of the conductor is passing current. I would think twice about running more than 100 watts at HF or 50 watts at VHF and above through a BNC connector, never mind the coax. 
> 
> 73, Fred, AE6QL
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>> Sent: Oct 9, 2014 8:50 AM
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax
>> 
>> BNC power handling is similar to UHF connectors. BNC connectors are rated for 500V, same as UHF connectors. Amphenol does not specify contact resistance for UHF connectors. The full BNC specs are here:
>> 
>> http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/CatalogPages/BNC.pdf
>> 
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
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>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 8:34 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think you will have trouble with legal power.  I regularly run 1 KW through RG8X without problems.  I did have some trouble running over about 400 watts with a Carolina Windom running RG8X but I don't know what was shorting, the coax or the chokes or balun.  RG8X is the same outer diameter as RG-79 so the RG-79 BNC will fit.  The impedance bump is so short that you will not notice it at 6 meters or below.  If you are trying to run microwave, you might have trouble buy the pin and socket are the same for the RG-58 and RG-59 connectors. The insulation thickness is what makes RG-8X have a higher rating than RG-58.
>>> 
>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
>>> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:01 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Looking at the tech spec sheet I don't see a power rating?

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 17:11:05 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:11:05 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m
In-Reply-To: <COL129-W76A9903C9EB2AA2F0060A591A00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>
	<COL129-W76A9903C9EB2AA2F0060A591A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <10C4492D-3D56-4743-B7E6-C5A4CCF47981@gmail.com>

I just installed the KSB2 module by the book, and it worked no problem. One thing you may want to consider is the UNPCB microphone adapter kit, which lets you easily re-jumper the microphone socket on the K2 to make it compatible with different types of microphones without having to break down the whole radio. I didn't see a need for this flexibility in my particular case, so I didn't bother with that option, but if you may conceivably use the K2 with different microphones, it would be a nice feature.

If you don't get the mic adapter, and you use the Elecraft MH2 microphone, you can just jumper the standard headers directly across with the jumpers provided in the kit. If you want to use a different microphone, then there is a nice hack where you use a computer connector to make a jumpering block that lets you make connections without wire wrapping or damaging the microphone jumpering PCB headers on the control board.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 10 Oct 2014, at 3:25 am, Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the bad subject line on my first message.  I was going to ask about the UNPCBSthings and then decided not to.  Here's my original question:
> 
> I have a used K2 (2007 build) with KDSP2, KAT2, KNB2 and internal gel cell battery.
> I have ordered the KSB2 SSB option as well as the 160m band/aux receive option.
> If anyone remembers putting these options in, were there any lessons learned and so any recommendations you might be able to pass on to someone installing thesefor the first time ?
> Thanks for any comments,
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct  9 17:44:05 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 17:44:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m
In-Reply-To: <10C4492D-3D56-4743-B7E6-C5A4CCF47981@gmail.com>
References: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>	<COL129-W76A9903C9EB2AA2F0060A591A00@phx.gbl>
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An added note - the jumpers that Matt is referring to are supplied with 
the MH2 and the Elecraft Proset K2 microphones - they are NOT supplied 
with the KSB2 kit.
You can use the 2 pin female 'computer' jumpers for mic configuration 
header connections that connect straight across the header.

Examples:
-- for the Elecraft microphones, connect all pins straight across and 
solder the 5.6k resistor between pins 1 and 6 on the back of the 
microphone jack.
-- for Kenwood dynamic microphones put jumpers straight across all pins 
except for mic pins 5 and 6 ( no resistor for dynamic mics)
-- for other microphones, refer to the KSB2 instructions.
-- If you have a Heil microphone (not the Elecraft variety) it will have 
an adapter - wire the mic configuration header to correspond with the 
adapter used (Kenwood, Yaesu, or Icom).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/9/2014 5:11 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:
> If you don't get the mic adapter, and you use the Elecraft MH2 microphone, you can just jumper the standard headers directly across with the jumpers provided in the kit.


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 18:08:46 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:08:46 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m
In-Reply-To: <543701A5.6090206@embarqmail.com>
References: <COL129-W36D3C5556472655738C87291A00@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <2237ED94-B2FA-496F-989F-02AFD0B8B200@gmail.com>

Don's probably right -- I ordered the MH2 microphone together with the KSB2 kit, and I think the jumpers were indeed packaged with the microphone.

You can use the two-pin "computer" jumpers if you are just doing a direct 1:1 jumpering of the configuration header. If you are using a different type of microphone, here is the computer connector hack I was thinking of:
http://folk.uio.no/sverre/LA3ZA/blog/K2/N0SS/k2_mic_cfg_hdr.pdf

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 10 Oct 2014, at 8:44 am, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> An added note - the jumpers that Matt is referring to are supplied with the MH2 and the Elecraft Proset K2 microphones - they are NOT supplied with the KSB2 kit.
> You can use the 2 pin female 'computer' jumpers for mic configuration header connections that connect straight across the header.
> 
> Examples:
> -- for the Elecraft microphones, connect all pins straight across and solder the 5.6k resistor between pins 1 and 6 on the back of the microphone jack.
> -- for Kenwood dynamic microphones put jumpers straight across all pins except for mic pins 5 and 6 ( no resistor for dynamic mics)
> -- for other microphones, refer to the KSB2 instructions.
> -- If you have a Heil microphone (not the Elecraft variety) it will have an adapter - wire the mic configuration header to correspond with the adapter used (Kenwood, Yaesu, or Icom).
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 10/9/2014 5:11 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:
>> If you don't get the mic adapter, and you use the Elecraft MH2 microphone, you can just jumper the standard headers directly across with the jumpers provided in the kit.
> 
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  9 18:12:58 2014
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (Scott Bastian)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1412892778.50709.YahooMailNeo@web181206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Howdy Pacific North West folks, www.GEMSproducts.com the Side KX stuff for both the KX3 and now PX3 will be at the Pacificon convention in Santa Clara this weekend see me in the Elecraft Booth.

73  Scott AK6Q

From aa4lr at arrl.net  Thu Oct  9 20:44:22 2014
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 20:44:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  K2 100 watt power amp fail and fix
In-Reply-To: <1412225520180-7593539.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1412225520180-7593539.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9EE96C70-1BE5-4466-BD76-8809B04F3040@arrl.net>


On Oct 2, 2014, at 12:52 AM, paulb <xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi folks
> 
> thanks to historic user postings regarding the KPA100 amp
> loosing power control
> 
> D17 shorted.
> 
> Havn't got spares on hand so replaced D16 and D17 with
> stock 1N4148 which have a higher forward turn on voltage.
> 
> Output checks seem ok and RF indication on the K2 looks
> normal.

I?ve had these diodes fail twice on my in my K2/100, so I?ve replaced them with machine-pin socket pins, so I don?t have to unsolder anything to replace them.

I wrote it up on my blog, here: 
http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com/2014/04/fixing-k2100-again.html


Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
           -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Oct  9 20:49:06 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:49:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen: follow up
Message-ID: <201410100049.s9A0n6jU060602@denali.acsalaska.net>

I would not expect the mfr to do more than list the model and S/N on 
equipment.  Its easy enough for the individual to place a sticker 
inside the unit with his name/phone/address/call as much or little 
that one would want.

Also having your call letters ID on power-up is helpful, but most 
stolen stuff is sold without being turned on.  Being able to tell the 
police to open a panel and find your ID is pretty positive proof of 
ownership.  The thief is not likely to be looking for that.  He will 
strip off any exterior tags.

Also just recording the S/N of all your valuables (making photos even 
better) is very helpful if something is stolen.  Years ago I had a 
Ruger 44 revolver stolen and stupid me had not written down the S/N 
so I had nothing to give the police.  Tracing thru the seller did not 
work as the gun club he bought it from had gone out of existence - 
thus no record.  Have you a record of your car's vin number that is 
not inside the glove compartment or visor?

73, Ed - KL7UW

--------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen: follow up
Message-ID: <201410091000.08946.wb5jnc at centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

I have had several off-list replies reminding me that the serial number of the
rig is embedded in the firmware. Point taken. However, my suggestion is aimed
at ease of identification by law enforcement when they're inventorying a
stash of stolen goods. (Put the internal sticker where it is visible via an
easily removed panel.)

73, Al


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From glen.torr at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 00:07:55 2014
From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:07:55 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Repeat extended VFO temp. comp. proc.
Message-ID: <CAP3kmB5kmdL26rRB0tubPzS9PF8ZVk4-EVGfDzkjPSay0gEWQw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Did the extended comp this morning but in the final steps I got muddled and
may have changed the ref cal. setting at the end while trying to do the
optional 3rd last step.

1) Should I repeat the whole extended temp procedure?

2) Do I need to do any reset or can I just repeat the entire procedure?

3) For the last step, REFCAL at room temp. can I use the XG50 as a signal
source?

Many thanks for any suggestions.

Cheers,

Glen, VK1FB

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 01:52:42 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:52:42 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a K3 macro command to bypass ATU?
In-Reply-To: <5436E381.2050302@subich.com>
References: <5436DA4F.1050400@gmail.com> <5436E381.2050302@subich.com>
Message-ID: <96BDF51C-D198-4472-A6DF-0DC9BE2F05AE@gmail.com>

Thanks, joe. I must have missed it.

Vic k2vco/4x6gp

> On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> See the K3 & KX3 Programmers Reference for the MN command -
> specifically MN023.  You will also need to check the MP command
> for the specific states but something like MN023;MP001;MN255;
> should enable the KAT3 and MN023;MP000;MN255; should bypass the
> KAT3.  Note I have not verified the specific MP values.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2014-10-09 2:56 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
>> I am pretty sure that there is no way to tell the K3 to bypass or enable
>> the ATU in a macro command except by simulating the button press. Am I
>> correct?
>> 
>> What I want to do is make my "amplifier on" and "amplifier off" macros
>> bypass the ATU when the amp is on but enable it when the K3 is directly
>> connected to the antenna. Right now they just adjust the power output.
>> 
>> The simulated button presses are not a good solution because you can't
>> tell whether the tuner is off or on.
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 02:01:01 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:01:01 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Repeat extended VFO temp. comp. proc.
In-Reply-To: <CAP3kmB5kmdL26rRB0tubPzS9PF8ZVk4-EVGfDzkjPSay0gEWQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3kmB5kmdL26rRB0tubPzS9PF8ZVk4-EVGfDzkjPSay0gEWQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8B4816E-9B29-4836-B7BC-41738816CEC3@gmail.com>

If you just mucked up refcal right at the end, no need to redo the whole procedure, you just need to set the refcal so that the dial frequency lines up when you tune to a known frequency. I wouldn't recommend to use XG50 -- it is a stable source, but you only know the output frequency approximately. I think you are better off tuning to WWV on SSB on the KX3 and zero-beating against a second receiver tuned to WWV on AM, or maybe use spectrogram on your PC to tune the WWV tones if you don't have a musical ear.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 10 Oct 2014, at 3:07 pm, Glen Torr <glen.torr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Did the extended comp this morning but in the final steps I got muddled and
> may have changed the ref cal. setting at the end while trying to do the
> optional 3rd last step.
> 
> 1) Should I repeat the whole extended temp procedure?
> 
> 2) Do I need to do any reset or can I just repeat the entire procedure?
> 
> 3) For the last step, REFCAL at room temp. can I use the XG50 as a signal
> source?
> 
> Many thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Glen, VK1FB
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From sbralr at cox.net  Fri Oct 10 07:43:58 2014
From: sbralr at cox.net (Steve & Anne Ray)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:43:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m
Message-ID: <CA061F1961684BF1808888C37AF5717E@New>

I used computer jumpers for the configuration header mic connector and they
work great.   I also took a computer jumper, and used a Demel tool to cut a
computer jumper in two, then soldered a surface mounted 10 K resistor across
the terminals.  The surface mounted resistor came from an old computer
board.  This jumper goes to the 5V terminal on the mic configuration header.
I use this for the bias for a computer mic that requires 5V.  

 

73,

Steve K4JPN

www.thewinstonator.com/K4JPN.htm

 


From vu2nks at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 12:12:45 2014
From: vu2nks at gmail.com (Nand Kishore)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:42:45 +0530
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Power entry module
Message-ID: <CAPpz8FxMtAv0b3v88Hda=jN_PSWhWyy4t8EtB2u8kF8rjkwg-w@mail.gmail.com>

Lid of the AC power entry module has broken and is in my hand.
Entirely my doing.
Will the fuse holder fall out while I am looking for a replacement?

Nandu
VU2NKS

From KK at ccf.net  Sat Oct 11 04:54:50 2014
From: KK at ccf.net (Klaus Koppendorfer)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:54:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW power higher than tune power pse help
Message-ID: <242bb03afb404f999aae89bf5db49d31@EX2013.ccf.net>

Since few weeks i saw that k3 power goes up more than 100 watts
So I did new wmtr-hp calibration compare with my LP100A
The value for wmtr-hp has to set up to 160  for 50 Watts cal with "tune"
When I use cw the  power goes from 50 watts up to 65 watts
I can read this power difference with lp100a on k3 rf-bars and also on kpa500 power-leds

Has anyone an idea what could have gone wrong in my k3
What can I measure inside on swr-bridge ??

73
Klaus
OE6KYG
KX1 #244
K1 #2135
K2 #1331
KX3 #462
K3 #115
P3 #469
KPA500 #94
KAT500


From w4jbb at charter.net  Sat Oct 11 10:40:35 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:40:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Macro - Split CW Operation With FW 2.23
Message-ID: <54394163.3080209@charter.net>

FW 2.23 is operating great at my station! With the help of Bill (KV6Z), 
we came up with a set of macros that programs PF1 with Macro 1 and then 
Macro 2. It also sets the 8 kHz RX shift for those that have the ringing 
issues. Here are the macros:

Macro 1:
Macro Label: CWSPLT
Macro Commands: 
MD3;SWT25;SWT25;FT1;SB1;UPB4;MN142;MP001;MN110;SWT27;SWH18;MN255;

Macro 2:
Macro Label: UNSPLT
Macro Commands: SB0;FR0;MN142;MP000;MN110;SWT19;SWH18;MN255;

Once you get it programmed in (Fred Cady's book helps a lot with 
programming macros), to use the macro, you just long press PF1 once to 
activate Macro 1; and then long press PF1 to activate Macro 2. The first 
long press sets mode to CW, copies VFO A to VFO B, selects VFO B for 
transmit, turns on dual watch, moves VFO B "up 1," opens up the RX SHFT 
menu, sets RX SHFT to 8.0, opens the Macro menu, selects Macro 2, holds 
PF1 to program Macro 2 to that memory button, then exits the menu.

The second long press turns dual watch off, sets receive to VFO A, opens 
the RX SHFT menu, sets RX SHFT to "nor," opens the the Macro menu, 
selects Macro 1, holds PF1 to program Macro 1 to that memory button, 
exits the menu.

One macro calls the next stepping through the two macros.

I have not tried, but I do not see a reason you could not increase the 
steps. I have ringing on RTTY also so I may add that mode to the 
sequence stepping through the macros until I get back to "normal" 
operation. I could do this for PF2, but PF2 turns on and off my ATU 
until I get tuned antennas for 40 - 80 m.

Your mileage may vary, but I have tested this on my KX3 this morning and 
it seems to work fine.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

From k2ud at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct 11 13:11:31 2014
From: k2ud at roadrunner.com (k2ud at roadrunner.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:11:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Diddle
Message-ID: <20141011171131.LCM07.318135.root@dnvrco-web21>

Is there a method to inhibit diddle on RTTY transmit on the KX3?  Also, is there a method to swap mark and space (operate backwards) on RTTY transmit?

72

Howard Kraus, K2UD

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 11 14:58:21 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:58:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Diddle
In-Reply-To: <20141011171131.LCM07.318135.root@dnvrco-web21>
References: <20141011171131.LCM07.318135.root@dnvrco-web21>
Message-ID: <54397DCD.2050804@embarqmail.com>

Howard,

Yes, see the bottom of page 18 (lefty column) in the KX3 Owner's Manual.

The IM command must be sent like a CW prosign (as one character). You 
can also add it to the end of CW or RTTY memories.  It will be ignored 
in CW mode - allowing the use of CW memories also for RTTY.

I have not tried it, but the REV button should swap sidebands and I 
believe that is equal to swapping mark and space that you are asking about.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/11/2014 1:11 PM, k2ud at roadrunner.com wrote:
> Is there a method to inhibit diddle on RTTY transmit on the KX3?  Also, is there a method to swap mark and space (operate backwards) on RTTY transmit?
>
>


From n1al at sonic.net  Sat Oct 11 15:03:37 2014
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Diddle
In-Reply-To: <54397DCD.2050804@embarqmail.com>
References: <20141011171131.LCM07.318135.root@dnvrco-web21>
	<54397DCD.2050804@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54397F09.5000502@sonic.net>

 > I have not tried it, but the REV button should swap sidebands

ALT button, right?

Alan N1AL


On 10/11/2014 11:58 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Howard,
>
> Yes, see the bottom of page 18 (lefty column) in the KX3 Owner's Manual.
>
> The IM command must be sent like a CW prosign (as one character). You 
> can also add it to the end of CW or RTTY memories.  It will be ignored 
> in CW mode - allowing the use of CW memories also for RTTY.
>
> I have not tried it, but the REV button should swap sidebands and I 
> believe that is equal to swapping mark and space that you are asking 
> about.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/11/2014 1:11 PM, k2ud at roadrunner.com wrote:
>> Is there a method to inhibit diddle on RTTY transmit on the KX3?  
>> Also, is there a method to swap mark and space (operate backwards) on 
>> RTTY transmit?
>>
>>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 11 16:48:46 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Diddle
In-Reply-To: <54397F09.5000502@sonic.net>
References: <20141011171131.LCM07.318135.root@dnvrco-web21>	<54397DCD.2050804@embarqmail.com>
	<54397F09.5000502@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <543997AE.2040205@embarqmail.com>

Alan has it right, my error - the ALT button swaps sidebands, REV swaps 
VFOs until the button is relaeased.

Thanks for catching that Alan.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/11/2014 3:03 PM, Alan wrote:
> > I have not tried it, but the REV button should swap sidebands
>
> ALT button, right?
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 10/11/2014 11:58 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Howard,
>>
>> Yes, see the bottom of page 18 (lefty column) in the KX3 Owner's Manual.
>>
>> The IM command must be sent like a CW prosign (as one character). You 
>> can also add it to the end of CW or RTTY memories.  It will be 
>> ignored in CW mode - allowing the use of CW memories also for RTTY.
>>
>> I have not tried it, but the REV button should swap sidebands and I 
>> believe that is equal to swapping mark and space that you are asking 
>> about.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/11/2014 1:11 PM, k2ud at roadrunner.com wrote:
>>> Is there a method to inhibit diddle on RTTY transmit on the KX3?  
>>> Also, is there a method to swap mark and space (operate backwards) 
>>> on RTTY transmit?
>>>
>>>
>>
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From va3rj at torfree.net  Sat Oct 11 19:53:19 2014
From: va3rj at torfree.net (NAQCC)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Announcement
Message-ID: <20141011235322.665F84012F8DE@sheppard.torfree.net>

NAQCC Sprint Tuesday night....

Our September sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (October 14, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday October 15, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases.

I will refer you to the proper URL:
http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201410.html

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans.  All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts.

72/73 de Dave VA3RJ
NAQCC #0004

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/


From ayoshida at my.email.ne.jp  Sat Oct 11 21:35:27 2014
From: ayoshida at my.email.ne.jp (ayoshida)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:35:27 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 in Fiji
Message-ID: <5439DADF.5020405@my.email.ne.jp>

Hi all

Recently I operated 3D2YA in Mana Island, Fiji with KX3/KXPA100.
About 3600 QSOs were logged using N6BT Bravo-5 vertical Dipole.
All worked as expected. Thanks Elecraft !!!
If you are interested then look at following page, Picture gallery.

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~yy7a-ysd/ja1nlx.htm

-- 
73 de aki
ja1nlx


From phils at riousa.com  Sat Oct 11 21:44:54 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <7E517E67-C13C-4F30-8DB5-C4D8AD7B8538@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  I will be NCS from OR.  See you there.

73,

Phil, NS7P


From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sun Oct 12 02:12:59 2014
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:12:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3 Problems
Message-ID: <543A1BEB.9010608@mchsi.com>


When the sub receiver is activated on any band 20 - 10 Meters, I started 
getting ERR PL2 messages.  I opened the radio up and checked all the 
cables and did not see anything obviously wrong.  When I tried the 
synthesizer calibration, I get error messages ERR PL2 E00130 and ERR VC4 
00039.  I pulled the KSYN3 boards and swapped them and the problem 
followed it to the main receiver and the sub is fine.  Is there anything 
that can be done short of ordering a new KSYN3 module?

Thanks,
Mike - KI0HA

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Oct 12 05:57:12 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 05:57:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Power entry module
In-Reply-To: <CAPpz8FxMtAv0b3v88Hda=jN_PSWhWyy4t8EtB2u8kF8rjkwg-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpz8FxMtAv0b3v88Hda=jN_PSWhWyy4t8EtB2u8kF8rjkwg-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts47g2qympgqXcmj3-r-DfJbKULFnwdHd9RWVNiskVLBUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nandu

I doubt it and a small piece of tape might hold it until you get a new part.

I worked you in the Makrothen RTTY test on 15M yesterday.  Nice signal.

73, Mike va3mw

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Nand Kishore <vu2nks at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lid of the AC power entry module has broken and is in my hand.
> Entirely my doing.
> Will the fuse holder fall out while I am looking for a replacement?
>
> Nandu
> VU2NKS
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 12 08:27:33 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:27:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3 Problems
In-Reply-To: <543A1BEB.9010608@mchsi.com>
References: <543A1BEB.9010608@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <543A73B5.2080609@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

It sounds like you have done everything recommended in the 
Troubleshooting part of the manual to isolate the problem.
Next step is to email customer support K3support at elecraft.com to see if 
they can offer any additional information.  They can give you 
information on the meaning of the extended error codes.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2014 2:12 AM, Michael Eberle wrote:
>
> When the sub receiver is activated on any band 20 - 10 Meters, I 
> started getting ERR PL2 messages.  I opened the radio up and checked 
> all the cables and did not see anything obviously wrong. When I tried 
> the synthesizer calibration, I get error messages ERR PL2 E00130 and 
> ERR VC4 00039.  I pulled the KSYN3 boards and swapped them and the 
> problem followed it to the main receiver and the sub is fine.  Is 
> there anything that can be done short of ordering a new KSYN3 module?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike - KI0HA


From urb at w2dec.com  Sun Oct 12 10:48:43 2014
From: urb at w2dec.com (Urb LeJeune)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:48:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbe question.
In-Reply-To: <242bb03afb404f999aae89bf5db49d31@EX2013.ccf.net>
References: <242bb03afb404f999aae89bf5db49d31@EX2013.ccf.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.109.1413125353.11565.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi

I have a 100 Watt K3. When I adjust the PWR know it only goes up to 12.0 watts.
How do I activate the 100 watts? I know I'm overlooking a setting 
somewhere but
I'll be darned if I can find it.

Thanks

73 Urb W1UL


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From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 10:53:29 2014
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbe question.
In-Reply-To: <20141012144920.D402F28B52AE@mailman.qth.net>
References: <242bb03afb404f999aae89bf5db49d31@EX2013.ccf.net>
	<20141012144920.D402F28B52AE@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <543A95E9.8080703@gmail.com>

Hi Urb,

Probably CONFIG -> PA is set to BYPass.  Change it to NORmal and you'll 
have your PA inline!

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 10/12/2014 10:48 AM, Urb LeJeune wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a 100 Watt K3. When I adjust the PWR know it only goes up to
> 12.0 watts. How do I activate the 100 watts? I know I'm overlooking a
> setting somewhere but I'll be darned if I can find it.
>
> Thanks
>
> 73 Urb W1UL

From lists at subich.com  Sun Oct 12 10:58:55 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:58:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbe question.
In-Reply-To: <20141012144926.48CD3CE429B@mailman.qth.net>
References: <242bb03afb404f999aae89bf5db49d31@EX2013.ccf.net>
	<20141012144926.48CD3CE429B@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <543A972F.4000801@subich.com>


Set CONFIG:KPA3 -> PA nor

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-12 10:48 AM, Urb LeJeune wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a 100 Watt K3. When I adjust the PWR know it only goes up to 12.0
> watts.
> How do I activate the 100 watts? I know I'm overlooking a setting
> somewhere but
> I'll be darned if I can find it.
>
> Thanks
>
> 73 Urb W1UL
>
>
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From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 13:13:45 2014
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:13:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Scope, anyone?
Message-ID: <543AB6C9.7080301@gmail.com>

Hey all,

I have an analog scope, excellent in its day:

   http://udel.edu/~mm/tektronix/

If interested, please contact me.  It's yours if you can pick it up. 
(Sorry for poor phone pics.  Camera pics can be provided.)

I also was given an old Heathkit scope, ca. '62, from the estate of an 
SK.  Also free for the taking.

73!
Mike ab3ap

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 14:03:22 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:03:22 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise in the Mideast
Message-ID: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>

Since getting on the air from Israel I notice an interesting noise on 
the bands 7 and 10 mHz and to a lesser extent on 14 mHz. It is a 
wideband 'schmutz' (technical term) which can take from 10 to 50 or 100 
kHz. Its amplitude drops of gradually as you move away from the center. 
It reaches S9 levels sometimes on 7 mHz.

It does not look like the typical switching supply noise. I do not hear 
it on 3.5 or 1.8 mHz.

The K3's DSP noise blanker seems to help a little, but not much.
Does anyone know what it is? Could it be some kind of spread spectrum 
transmission? It could be coming from anywhere in Europe or the Mideast.
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From peter.torry at talktalk.net  Sun Oct 12 14:15:10 2014
From: peter.torry at talktalk.net (Peter Torry)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:15:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise in the Mideast
In-Reply-To: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>
References: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543AC52E.7070201@talktalk.net>

There are a number of similar transmissions that sweep about20 or 40kHz 
but spread because of the short rise time of the modulation. These are 
over the horizon radar systems that on analysis appear to be very 
similar to those from 20 years ago.
73

Peter

G3SMT


On 12/10/2014 18:03, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
> Since getting on the air from Israel I notice an interesting noise on 
> the bands 7 and 10 mHz and to a lesser extent on 14 mHz. It is a 
> wideband 'schmutz' (technical term) which can take from 10 to 50 or 
> 100 kHz. Its amplitude drops of gradually as you move away from the 
> center. It reaches S9 levels sometimes on 7 mHz.
>
> It does not look like the typical switching supply noise. I do not 
> hear it on 3.5 or 1.8 mHz.
>
> The K3's DSP noise blanker seems to help a little, but not much.
> Does anyone know what it is? Could it be some kind of spread spectrum 
> transmission? It could be coming from anywhere in Europe or the Mideast.


From k2ttt at optonline.net  Sun Oct 12 14:18:32 2014
From: k2ttt at optonline.net (Jay K2TTT)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:18:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise in the Mideast
In-Reply-To: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>
References: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cfe648$eea8fe00$cbfafa00$@net>

Might be this

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/iran-can-now-detect-u-s-stealth-jets-at-lon
g-range-765efd6253e2




73

K2TTT (Jay)C6ATT



From k9fd at flex.com  Sun Oct 12 14:23:55 2014
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:23:55 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise in the Mideast
In-Reply-To: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>
References: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543AC73B.5050206@flex.com>

There is Chinese Hainan Island radar that is very active, and usually on 
7MHZ.
it covers 100KHZ at least,   the "smaller" 10khz wide signals are also 
radar,  over the
horizon,  the smaller ones usually are several seconds of signal then 
space and
repeat..    the Hainan dragon is constant on all the time when operating.
it is over S9 here on 40 when its on...
Not sure if thats what your hearing or not,  K3 blanker will not handle 
it,  helps a
little but not much,   I asked Elecraft about it and they mentioned an 
experimental
change of some components that may help,  but I do not have the info and 
have
not tried it.
73 Merv K9FD/KH6

> Since getting on the air from Israel I notice an interesting noise on 
> the bands 7 and 10 mHz and to a lesser extent on 14 mHz. It is a 
> wideband 'schmutz' (technical term) which can take from 10 to 50 or 
> 100 kHz. Its amplitude drops of gradually as you move away from the 
> center. It reaches S9 levels sometimes on 7 mHz.
>
> It does not look like the typical switching supply noise. I do not 
> hear it on 3.5 or 1.8 mHz.
>
> The K3's DSP noise blanker seems to help a little, but not much.
> Does anyone know what it is? Could it be some kind of spread spectrum 
> transmission? It could be coming from anywhere in Europe or the Mideast.


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 12 15:07:00 2014
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:07:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <543AD154.2040105@coho.net>

Good Day,
    Wood collection has kept me very busy.  Trying to find time between 
the showers is making it more difficult.  But my muscles, tendons, and 
joints are getting more used to the activity so getting out of bed is 
easier.  Falling asleep is no problem at all :)

Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 15:17:07 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 22:17:07 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise in the Mideast
In-Reply-To: <543AC73B.5050206@flex.com>
References: <543AC26A.2090003@gmail.com> <543AC73B.5050206@flex.com>
Message-ID: <543AD3B3.6030401@gmail.com>

Thanks to all who responded. The Chinese radar seems to fit what I hear 
best. I'll try to null it with my Pixel Loop (which, by the way, is a 
great, quiet receive-only antenna:
<http://pixel-antennas.com/?page_id=31>)

On 12 Oct 2014 21:23, Merv Schweigert wrote:
> There is Chinese Hainan Island radar that is very active, and usually on
> 7MHZ.
> it covers 100KHZ at least,   the "smaller" 10khz wide signals are also
> radar,  over the
> horizon,  the smaller ones usually are several seconds of signal then
> space and
> repeat..    the Hainan dragon is constant on all the time when operating.
> it is over S9 here on 40 when its on...
> Not sure if thats what your hearing or not,  K3 blanker will not handle
> it,  helps a
> little but not much,   I asked Elecraft about it and they mentioned an
> experimental
> change of some components that may help,  but I do not have the info and
> have
> not tried it.
> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6
>
>> Since getting on the air from Israel I notice an interesting noise on
>> the bands 7 and 10 mHz and to a lesser extent on 14 mHz. It is a
>> wideband 'schmutz' (technical term) which can take from 10 to 50 or
>> 100 kHz. Its amplitude drops of gradually as you move away from the
>> center. It reaches S9 levels sometimes on 7 mHz.
>>
>> It does not look like the typical switching supply noise. I do not
>> hear it on 3.5 or 1.8 mHz.
>>
>> The K3's DSP noise blanker seems to help a little, but not much.
>> Does anyone know what it is? Could it be some kind of spread spectrum
>> transmission? It could be coming from anywhere in Europe or the Mideast.


-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From greenacres113 at charter.net  Sun Oct 12 15:29:56 2014
From: greenacres113 at charter.net (r miles)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....30m
Message-ID: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>


Often on 30m. Starting arnd. 10115 & anywhere from 20 kc wide to out of 
the top of the band. A fast pulse. Only happens after  dark in NA. I 
believe it's OTH radar. Of course no one has ever said it was theirs. My 
K3 doesn't block it as some nights it's 20 db over S9.

Once in a while on 10120 there's an extremely strong CW signal sending 
only a series of 5  letter or number groups. On less than an hr. then 
gone. No I D. Seems to come from Cuba.

The RTTY on 10100 is a 10kw German stn. sending WX info to ships at sea. 
Makes a gud prop beacon.

Unfortunately, the illegal SSB stn.s are discovering 30m. For such a 
tiny  ham band we seem to attract a lot of strange signals.

K9IL

From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Sun Oct 12 16:24:44 2014
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:24:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen: follow up
In-Reply-To: <201410100049.s9A0n6jU060602@denali.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410100049.s9A0n6jU060602@denali.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <543AE38C.3020807@david-woolley.me.uk>

There are companies that provide services to record this sort of 
information.  The US branded web site of one which works with many UK 
police forces and at least some US ones is 
<https://www.immobilize.net/view.php>.  They seem to make their money 
from people wanting to check whether they are about to buy stolen 
property, but registration is free to the public.

It might be worth checking whether your local police work with them or 
someone similar.

 From the police point of view, they key thing is the ability to prove 
that the property wasn't legitimately acquired, so having at least one 
copy of the serial number that is not easy to find is probably a good idea.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123

On 10/10/14 01:49, Edward R Cole wrote:

> Also having your call letters ID on power-up is helpful, but most stolen
> stuff is sold without being turned on.  Being able to tell the police to
> open a panel and find your ID is pretty positive proof of ownership.
> The thief is not likely to be looking for that.  He will strip off any
> exterior tags.


> Also just recording the S/N of all your valuables (making photos even
> better) is very helpful if something is stolen.  Years ago I had a Ruger


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Oct 12 16:48:11 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:48:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest Long Delay Echo's Received
Message-ID: <201410122048.s9CKmBK1095385@ingra.acsalaska.net>

Header from my e-mail showing e-mail date of Sunday Oct. 10, 2014 at 
10:18 (local time):
JUST RECEIVED 30 minutes ago.

elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net 10:18 AM 10/12/2014    45 Elecraft 
Digest, Vol 126, Issue 10

From: elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 126, Issue 10
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net

======snip========

Today's Topics:

    1. Re: BNC connectors for RG-8X Coax (Dennis Griffin)
    2. Re: K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m (Matt VK2RQ)
    3. Re: K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m (Don Wilhelm)
    4. Re: K2 and installing KSB2 & 160m (Matt VK2RQ)
    5. (no subject) (Scott Bastian)
    6. Re: [Bulk]  K2 100 watt power amp fail and fix (Bill Coleman)
    7. Re: K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen: follow up (Edward R Cole)
==========snip==========
Note the send date and time of my message to the reflector is 
Thursday, Oct. 9, 2014, 8:49 (local time)

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:49:06 -0800
From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/100 serial 8290 - lost/stolen: follow up
Message-ID: <201410100049.s9A0n6jU060602 at denali.acsalaska.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
=======snip======

Has the reflector been out of service for THREE DAYS??? This seems 
really strange to me.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 12 16:55:28 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise "from" Israel
Message-ID: <812003C7-6922-4ED5-A06D-84AEF5BF0121@yahoo.com>

"Since getting on the air from Israel I notice an interesting noise..."

Hm...indeed? Yeah...I hear a lot of noise from Israel too. 

"In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand,
and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue,
but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."
--Mark Twain--
     
          

From k6ctw at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 12 17:44:34 2014
From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:44:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Keying mod Questions
Message-ID: <7109114.1413150275236.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

All,

Now that I want to add some power to the K2 so that it could become a full backup station (instead of just my QRP contesting rig) I find that I may need to do some additional things to the rig. My K2 (serial # 455) does have most of the mods in it but one that I didn't do was the keying mod.  However, when I went to order it the other day I found that mod is no longer available from Elecraft. 

Is there a replacement modification that does the same thing that uses different parts?

The reason I ask about the keying mod is that it was noted that it was needed when using the K2's 100 watt amp and I was wondering if that still holds for the latest version of the K2 amp and also for the KXPA100?

Also, I don't think I need to do the mod to the keying before I upgrade the firmware.  Am I correct in that?

Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions/etc.

73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW



From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 12 18:17:21 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Keying mod Questions
In-Reply-To: <7109114.1413150275236.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <7109114.1413150275236.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <543AFDF1.30402@embarqmail.com>

Ken,

The Elecraft kit for the K2 Keying Waveshape mod is no longer available 
because the small PIN diode to be used at RF Board D36 is no longer 
available as a leaded component - however an SMD solution is available, 
read on if interested.

I do recommend that the mod be installed when the KPA100 is added to 
eliminate the key-clicks that are not apparent with the QRP K2, but do 
become a problem with the 100 watt amplifier.
I also recommend that the mod be added when the QRP K2 is used with any 
amplifier.

Even though the mod kit is not available, there is an alternative - 
order the SMT-1B board (PN E120014) from Elecraft and download the 
latest K2 Owner's Manual from the Elecraft website and install it as 
instructed in the manual on page 60.

That is *not* all there is to the mod.  The other required components 
are a 270k resistor to be installed at R21 on the Control Board, an 82k 
resistor to be installed at the D3 CB location, a change in the value of 
C31 to 0.01 uF, the addition of a 10 uF capacitor from U8 pin 2 to 
ground, a 0.01 uf capacitor between the upper end of R21 and the base of 
Q8.  There is also a PC trace to be made between U10 pin 3 and RP2 pin 2 
on the Control Board.

So if you wish to add the Keying Waveshape Mod to your K2, it is 
possible, but not as a kit from Elecraft - you will have to order the 
parts individually, or find the 270k and 82k 1/4 watt resistors as well 
as 2 - 0.01 uF capacitors and a 10 uF electrolytic capacitor from your 
junkbox.

The firmware must be updated when this mod is installed unless you 
already have 2.04 installed.

You likely need the mod instructions to know where to make the PC trace 
cut, and I can email them to you.  Send me a request off-list and I will 
send them to you.  Just remember that the instructions for replacing RF 
Board D36 must be replaced by the instructions in the new K2 manual page 60.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2014 5:44 PM, Ken Miller K6CTW wrote:
> All,
>
> Now that I want to add some power to the K2 so that it could become a full backup station (instead of just my QRP contesting rig) I find that I may need to do some additional things to the rig. My K2 (serial # 455) does have most of the mods in it but one that I didn't do was the keying mod.  However, when I went to order it the other day I found that mod is no longer available from Elecraft.
>
> Is there a replacement modification that does the same thing that uses different parts?
>
> The reason I ask about the keying mod is that it was noted that it was needed when using the K2's 100 watt amp and I was wondering if that still holds for the latest version of the K2 amp and also for the KXPA100?
>
> Also, I don't think I need to do the mod to the keying before I upgrade the firmware.  Am I correct in that?
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Oct 12 18:46:03 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:46:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....30m
In-Reply-To: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
References: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
Message-ID: <543B04AB.2060308@foothill.net>

There's an 850 Hz RTTY station near the upper end of the band most 
evenings, fairly strong in N. Cal., which seems to be encrypted -- at 
least I can't print anything intelligible from it.  It may be there 24/7 
and fades due to daylight prop, don't know.

I've also heard a couple of the Russian single-letter beacons once or 
twice but they didn't hang around long.

I'll listen for the OTH noise tonight.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org


On 10/12/2014 12:29 PM, r miles wrote:

> The RTTY on 10100 is a 10kw German stn. sending WX info to ships at sea.
> Makes a gud prop beacon.



From repair at willcoele.com  Sun Oct 12 18:47:05 2014
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
Message-ID: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>

A few months ago I was working on a Visual Basic program to control my K3.  2
days ago when I went back to do some coding,  I had a problem where, when I
opened the Comm port,  the K3 would transmit.  I tried sending the RX
software command to the K3 but it didn't help. It was stuck in transmit! I'm
not sure what happened but after I explored VB6 MSComm Event,  I found that
my code didn't initialize the RTS line.     RTSEnable is a VB6 comm control
that can toggle the RS232, RTS line low or high.  The K3 detects the signal
from the RS232 port and immediately places it in transmit mode. I added a
line of code and the problem was solved.

There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port.  Every time
in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.   Is there a
way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I have to turn off
the K3?



-----
Jack WA9FVP

Sent from my TRS-80 :-)
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Oct 12 18:55:24 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:55:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
In-Reply-To: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>


> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every
> time in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.
> Is there a way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I
> have to turn off the K3?

Set CONFIG: PTT-KEY -> OFF-OFF and the K3 will no longer respond to
the DTR and/or RTS signals.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-12 6:47 PM, wa9fvp wrote:
> A few months ago I was working on a Visual Basic program to control my K3.  2
> days ago when I went back to do some coding,  I had a problem where, when I
> opened the Comm port,  the K3 would transmit.  I tried sending the RX
> software command to the K3 but it didn't help. It was stuck in transmit! I'm
> not sure what happened but after I explored VB6 MSComm Event,  I found that
> my code didn't initialize the RTS line.     RTSEnable is a VB6 comm control
> that can toggle the RS232, RTS line low or high.  The K3 detects the signal
> from the RS232 port and immediately places it in transmit mode. I added a
> line of code and the problem was solved.
>
> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port.  Every time
> in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.   Is there a
> way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I have to turn off
> the K3?
>
>
>
> -----
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>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 12 19:47:30 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
In-Reply-To: <543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>
References: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>
Message-ID: <543B1312.7050709@embarqmail.com>

All,

While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller 
explanation is in order.
When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines 
including the RTS and DTR signal lines.

If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can 
expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.

So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the 
K3, turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have 
need for computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR or 
RTS signals, then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into TX 
TEST or switch to a dummy load while the computer is "doing its 
diagnostics" during the boot-up cycle.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2014 6:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every
>> time in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.
>> Is there a way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I
>> have to turn off the K3?
>
> Set CONFIG: PTT-KEY -> OFF-OFF and the K3 will no longer respond to
> the DTR and/or RTS signals.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-12 6:47 PM, wa9fvp wrote:
>> A few months ago I was working on a Visual Basic program to control 
>> my K3.  2
>> days ago when I went back to do some coding,  I had a problem where, 
>> when I
>> opened the Comm port,  the K3 would transmit.  I tried sending the RX
>> software command to the K3 but it didn't help. It was stuck in 
>> transmit! I'm
>> not sure what happened but after I explored VB6 MSComm Event,  I 
>> found that
>> my code didn't initialize the RTS line.     RTSEnable is a VB6 comm 
>> control
>> that can toggle the RS232, RTS line low or high.  The K3 detects the 
>> signal
>> from the RS232 port and immediately places it in transmit mode. I 
>> added a
>> line of code and the problem was solved.
>>
>> There's also an annoying problem that in valves the comm port. Every 
>> time
>> in turn on my PC, during boot-up, the K3 momentarily transmits.   Is 
>> there a
>> way to prevent that or every time I turn on the PC, do I have to turn 
>> off
>> the K3?
>>
>>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 12 21:32:37 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Acbross via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:32:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
Message-ID: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>

Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79. Now days I build hundreds of cables for RF out of rg-58 and rg-8x BNCs and they use 50 ohm connectors not 75 ohm connectors. Remember that the impedance of coax is based on the ratio of the center conductor to the outer conductor and if you compare the 75 ohm connector you will see that the center pin is much smaller in diameter.
Anyone need 200 silver plated 75 ohm BNCs?

Art

KC7GF
Rf Stuff.com

From lawlopez3 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 22:47:38 2014
From: lawlopez3 at gmail.com (Larry Lopez)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Flickering ALC/
Message-ID: <1413168458377-7593800.post@n2.nabble.com>

Executive summary, intermittent connections in a trap vertical caused the ALC
to go crazy.

I suddenly had bizarre behavior when adjusting my mike level for JT65.
When trying to get the ALC to be 4 bars it was all over the place.

It was flickering on and off and sometimes the tones were modulate at a
rhythmical rate.
Power level was pretty constant.

I thought it might be RF getting back into the shack or the PC picking up RF
or bizarre driver behavior.

I thought it might have something to with the new inverted V antenna causing
RF to get back in the shack.

None of this was the problem.

The R3 Vertical was doing.

It's been up for a very long time and when I switch to the new antenna all
the problems go away.

Larry Lopez N2CVS.





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From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Mon Oct 13 10:00:13 2014
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
In-Reply-To: <543B1312.7050709@embarqmail.com>
References: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>	<543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>
	<543B1312.7050709@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>

It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows 
serial port.
It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with 
the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a 
desktop.

On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> All,
>
> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller 
> explanation is in order.
> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines 
> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>
> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can 
> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>
> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the 
> K3, turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have 
> need for computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR 
> or RTS signals, then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into 
> TX TEST or switch to a dummy load while the computer is "doing its 
> diagnostics" during the boot-up cycle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>


-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


From Thomas.Norff at t-online.de  Mon Oct 13 11:13:02 2014
From: Thomas.Norff at t-online.de (Thomas.Norff at t-online.de)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:13:02 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?K3_and_VB6?=
In-Reply-To: <543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>
References: <543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <1XdhJ0-2J8mR60@fwd11.aul.t-online.de>

Maybe the TX inhibit function can help in this case.
You don't have to modify your settings in your radio or modify the computer.

 http://www.kl7uw.com/TX-INHIBIT.htm

73,
Thomas  DM7TN

-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
Datum: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:00:38 +0200
Von: Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net

It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows 
serial port.
It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with 
the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a 
desktop.

On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> All,
>
> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller 
> explanation is in order.
> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines 
> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>
> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can 
> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>
> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the 
> K3, turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have 
> need for computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR 
> or RTS signals, then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into 
> TX TEST or switch to a dummy load while the computer is "doing its 
> diagnostics" during the boot-up cycle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>


-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441

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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 13 11:49:06 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:49:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Noise "from" Israel
In-Reply-To: <812003C7-6922-4ED5-A06D-84AEF5BF0121@yahoo.com>
References: <812003C7-6922-4ED5-A06D-84AEF5BF0121@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9B483A5C-E771-4996-9E0D-A3BF27C4F52A@elecraft.com>

Folks - political comments on the Elecraft reflector are inappropriate and are prohibited. Please take that part of the discussion elsewhere. 

This part of the thread is now closed. 


Eric
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> On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> "Since getting on the air from Israel I notice an interesting noise..."
> 
> Hm...indeed? Yeah...I hear a lot of noise from Israel too. 
> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 13 12:15:55 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79.

While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs, 
the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a 
small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm 
connectors were important with analog video because of the smearing of 
very fine detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of 
patching and routing.

73, Jim K9YC

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Oct 13 12:18:32 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:18:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6AgbyhF9HfqwgEou+P=cLp2HSbWcupnHa-TXrUgn83SA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim

I was going to ask that exact question.  For the amateur world, does it
make a difference if a 75 ohm connector is installed on a 50 ohm feedline.

You  made it very clear for everyone.  Thanks!

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm.
>> I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs
>> that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79.
>>
>
> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs, the
> difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a small
> fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm connectors
> were important with analog video because of the smearing of very fine
> detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of patching and
> routing.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From peter.torry at talktalk.net  Mon Oct 13 12:30:04 2014
From: peter.torry at talktalk.net (Peter Torry)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:30:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>

Jim,

It may not make a difference to performance on HF but it does matter 
because the centre pins have different diameters of solder pot / crimp 
barrel to match the cable impedance used.  Also incorrectly mated 
connectors risk damage to their centre connectors by forcing the 
engagement.  Use the correct connector for the cable in use.

73

Peter

G3SMT


On 13/10/2014 16:15, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 
>> ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds 
>> of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, 
>> RG-59 not RG-79.
>
> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs, 
> the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a 
> small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm 
> connectors were important with analog video because of the smearing of 
> very fine detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of 
> patching and routing.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Oct 13 12:45:18 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:45:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4ZkddUsuC7nmFA_rxsZBBDw2XQxGjkELWWGtP5KhLDfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Peter

The larger concern is that most of us have no way of being able to tell the
difference from a 50 ohm bnc to a 75 ohm bnc.  We buy these online and at
flee markets, which is part of the reality.

Is there an easy way to tell them apart?

I assume the same is also true for N connectors which are essentially a BNC
but with a different casing.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Peter Torry <peter.torry at talktalk.net>
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> It may not make a difference to performance on HF but it does matter
> because the centre pins have different diameters of solder pot / crimp
> barrel to match the cable impedance used.  Also incorrectly mated
> connectors risk damage to their centre connectors by forcing the
> engagement.  Use the correct connector for the cable in use.
>
> 73
>
> Peter
>
> G3SMT
>
>
>
> On 13/10/2014 16:15, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm.
>>> I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs
>>> that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79.
>>>
>>
>> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs, the
>> difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a small
>> fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm connectors
>> were important with analog video because of the smearing of very fine
>> detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of patching and
>> routing.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 13 12:45:36 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 09:45:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,10/13/2014 9:30 AM, Peter Torry wrote:
> It may not make a difference to performance on HF but it does matter 
> because the centre pins have different diameters of solder pot / crimp 
> barrel to match the cable impedance used. 

What matters is that the connector match the physical dimensions of the 
cable so that it can be properly installed, and this is true regardless 
of impedance.

> Also incorrectly mated connectors risk damage to their centre 
> connectors by forcing the engagement.  Use the correct connector for 
> the cable in use. 

Zo depends upon o.d. of the center conductor with the connectors mated, 
and would be established by the o.d. of the female pin receptacle, not 
the o.d. of the male tip. Although I have not studied the mechanical 
Standard for 75 ohm BNCs, I would VERY surprised if the dimensions of a 
proper 75 ohm connector would prevent it from mating with a proper 50 
ohm connector. Have you studied such a spec?  I'm quite active in 
international Standards work (with the AES) and that sort of 
incompatibility is something we make certain to avoid!

73, Jim K9YC

From m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 13:34:15 2014
From: m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:34:15 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
	<543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3345.543c0d17.22bab.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>

On Mon 13 Oct Jim Brown wrote:
> the o.d. of the male tip. Although I have not studied the mechanical 
> Standard for 75 ohm BNCs, I would VERY surprised if the dimensions of 
> a proper 75 ohm connector would prevent it from mating with a proper 
> 50 ohm connector. Have you studied such a spec?  I'm quite active in 
> international Standards work (with the AES) and that sort of 
> incompatibility is something we make certain to avoid!

It's certainly possible, given a 75 Ohm male connector and a 50 Ohn 
female connector, to end up without good electrical contact on the 
central conductor, especially if you're dealing with cheap plugs and 
sockets. Been there, suffered the consequences.

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)


From ebjr37 at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 13:42:21 2014
From: ebjr37 at charter.net (Sandy Blaize)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6AgbyhF9HfqwgEou+P=cLp2HSbWcupnHa-TXrUgn83SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CA+33ts6AgbyhF9HfqwgEou+P=cLp2HSbWcupnHa-TXrUgn83SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543C0EFD.8080907@charter.net>

YES!!!!  The 75 ohm series are UG-260/U connectors, the 50 ohm series is 
the UG-88/U.  If they don't have this stamped into the rear barrel of 
the connector, THEY ARE Counterfeits or JUST PLAIN TRASH!

There is a lot of "crap" parts available at hamfests these days!  Be 
careful what you buy!!

73,
Sandy W5TVW
On 10/13/2014 11:18 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Thanks Jim
>
> I was going to ask that exact question.  For the amateur world, does it
> make a difference if a 75 ohm connector is installed on a 50 ohm feedline.
>
> You  made it very clear for everyone.  Thanks!
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm.
>>> I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs
>>> that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79.
>>>
>> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs, the
>> difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a small
>> fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm connectors
>> were important with analog video because of the smearing of very fine
>> detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of patching and
>> routing.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ebjr37 at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 13:50:06 2014
From: ebjr37 at charter.net (Sandy Blaize)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543C10CE.5080603@charter.net>

The big difference of the 75 and 50 ohm connectors is the fit of the 
connectors to the coax size, NOT the center pin size which is the same.  
BNC connectors are really NOT "constant impedance" especially at VHF/UHF 
frequencies like "proper" "N" series connectors are. This makes no 
difference "impedance" wise on HF gear.  I guess this is also why no one 
has "standardized" on a better connector for the HF frequency range
instead of the PL-259/SO-239"impedance bumps"!

73,
Sandy W5TVW
On 10/12/2014 8:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79. Now days I build hundreds of cables for RF out of rg-58 and rg-8x BNCs and they use 50 ohm connectors not 75 ohm connectors. Remember that the impedance of coax is based on the ratio of the center conductor to the outer conductor and if you compare the 75 ohm connector you will see that the center pin is much smaller in diameter.
> Anyone need 200 silver plated 75 ohm BNCs?
>
> Art
>
> KC7GF
> Rf Stuff.com
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 13 14:03:28 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:03:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <3345.543c0d17.22bab.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>	<543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<3345.543c0d17.22bab.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <543C13F0.8030701@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,10/13/2014 10:34 AM, Rick M0LEP wrote:
> especially if you're dealing with cheap plugs and sockets.

 From my work on the AES Standards Committee Working Group on 
Connectors, I can tell you that junk and even counterfeit connectors are 
the problem, not the nominal Zo. Junk connectors of any sort are a 
constant source of problems. Only a fool buys anything but name brand 
connectors. This applies to ALL connector types -- UHF, BNC, RCA, DIN, 
XLR, 1/8-in, 1/4-in. For UHF, this means Amphenol. For XLR, RCA, 1/8-in, 
and 1/4-in this means Switchcraft and Neutrik. For DIN, that means 
Switchcraft and Preh. I don't work enough with BNCs to know the good mfrs.

73, Jim K9YC

From rprather at mac.com  Mon Oct 13 14:09:18 2014
From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
In-Reply-To: <543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>
References: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>
	<543B1312.7050709@embarqmail.com> <543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <CAAEtO3=nbnCEonBz7SAZuuSRZ96uBDr5m2Wv4FgYnvc=B+mfLg@mail.gmail.com>

OS X doesn't do it.

Rick
K6LE


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
wrote:

> It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows
> serial port.
> It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
> I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with
> the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a
> desktop.
>
> On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller
>> explanation is in order.
>> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines
>> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>>
>> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can
>> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>>
>> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the K3,
>> turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have need for
>> computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR or RTS signals,
>> then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into TX TEST or switch to
>> a dummy load while the computer is "doing its diagnostics" during the
>> boot-up cycle.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> R. Kevin Stover
> AC0H
> ARRL
> FISTS #11993
> SKCC #215
> NAQCC #3441
>
>
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From jwiley at gci.net  Mon Oct 13 14:16:51 2014
From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:16:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C13F0.8030701@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
	<543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<3345.543c0d17.22bab.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
	<543C13F0.8030701@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543C1713.5050206@gci.net>

Jim -

Good quality BNC connectors can be had from Amphenol and AMP.  I 
normally use AMP crimp-type connectors for BNC applications, have 
_never_ had one fail, and I purchase them by the hundreds. Takes only a 
few seconds to install one.   One other good supplier of RF connectors 
is Kings.  It has been a few years since I had to buy any, so I am 
assuming these suppliers still exist.

Having the correct tools to install these connectors is not a luxury, 
and yes, they are expensive.  Here again, you tend to get what you pay for.

And you are correct, money spent on a good quality connector is never 
wasted.  On the other hand, money spent on a cheap connector is almost 
always wasted.


- Jim, KL7CC


On 10/13/2014 10:03 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,10/13/2014 10:34 AM, Rick M0LEP wrote:
>> especially if you're dealing with cheap plugs and sockets.
>
> From my work on the AES Standards Committee Working Group on 
> Connectors, I can tell you that junk and even counterfeit connectors 
> are the problem, not the nominal Zo. Junk connectors of any sort are a 
> constant source of problems. Only a fool buys anything but name brand 
> connectors. This applies to ALL connector types -- UHF, BNC, RCA, DIN, 
> XLR, 1/8-in, 1/4-in. For UHF, this means Amphenol. For XLR, RCA, 
> 1/8-in, and 1/4-in this means Switchcraft and Neutrik. For DIN, that 
> means Switchcraft and Preh. I don't work enough with BNCs to know the 
> good mfrs.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Oct 13 14:23:52 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:23:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
In-Reply-To: <CAAEtO3=nbnCEonBz7SAZuuSRZ96uBDr5m2Wv4FgYnvc=B+mfLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>	<543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>	<543B1312.7050709@embarqmail.com>
	<543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>
	<CAAEtO3=nbnCEonBz7SAZuuSRZ96uBDr5m2Wv4FgYnvc=B+mfLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543C18B8.30208@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I think "exercise" is the wrong term.

You're talking about hardware (the serial port) and how it behaves 
before it is initialized.

Saying that the OS has anything to do with how a port behaves before the 
OS boots is a bit questionable.

It's possible that Apple's hardware behaves consistently on power-up -- 
I'd believe that.  Apple operating systems don't have to contend with 
the same amount of random hardware.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/13/2014 11:09 AM, Rick Prather wrote:
> OS X doesn't do it.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Kevin Stover <kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It's been this way since the first ham hooked a radio up to a windows
>> serial port.
>> It's not a radio issue it's an computer issue. Linux does it too.
>> I reboot my computers once a week whether they need it or not. Same with
>> the radios....they just get turned back on when the computer is up at a
>> desktop.
>>
>> On 10/12/2014 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> While Joe's response will eliminate the behavior, I feel that a fuller
>>> explanation is in order.
>>> When a computer boots, it will "exercise" the RS-232 signal lines
>>> including the RTS and DTR signal lines.
>>>
>>> If you have your K3 set to do keying or PTT with those lines, you can
>>> expect the K3 to go into transmit while the computer does its boot-up.
>>>
>>> So, take your choices - if you have no need for DTR/RTS keying of the K3,
>>> turn the PTT-KEY menu to OFF-OFF as Joe indicated, but if you have need for
>>> computer control of the PTT or Keying of the K3 via the DTR or RTS signals,
>>> then expect that behavior and either place the K3 into TX TEST or switch to
>>> a dummy load while the computer is "doing its diagnostics" during the
>>> boot-up cycle.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> R. Kevin Stover
>> AC0H
>> ARRL
>> FISTS #11993
>> SKCC #215
>> NAQCC #3441
>>
>>
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct 13 14:32:15 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:32:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543C1AAF.4020607@subich.com>


 > While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs,
 > the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a
 > small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small.

I disagree ... *DO NOT MIX 75 and 50 Ohm connectors*.  50 Ohm male
connectors will split the center contact of a 75 Ohm female wile 75 Ohm
male connectors will not make reliable connection with the center
contact of a 50 Ohm female.

In general, a 75 Ohm center pin will not accept the center conductor of
50 Ohm cable and a 50 Ohm center pin can not be *reliably* attached
(either crimp or solder) to the smaller center conductor of 75 Ohm cable
due to the relative sizes.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-13 12:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75
>> ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds
>> of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way,
>> RG-59 not RG-79.
>
> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs,
> the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a
> small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm
> connectors were important with analog video because of the smearing of
> very fine detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of
> patching and routing.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct 13 14:36:12 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:36:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
	<543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543C1B9C.9010106@subich.com>


> Although I have not studied the mechanical Standard for 75 ohm BNCs,
> I would VERY surprised if the dimensions of a proper 75 ohm connector
> would prevent it from mating with a proper 50 ohm connector. Have you
> studied such a spec?

Yes, I have used both in the TV stations - 50 Ohm for RF systems and
75 for video systems.  The center pin (male) and contact (female)
*ARE DIFFERENT SIZE*.  Forcing a 50 Ohm connector into a 75 Ohm socket
will split the center contact while putting a 75 Ohm connector into a
50 Ohm socket will result in insufficient tension on the center pin
(and unreliable contact).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-13 12:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,10/13/2014 9:30 AM, Peter Torry wrote:
>> It may not make a difference to performance on HF but it does matter
>> because the centre pins have different diameters of solder pot / crimp
>> barrel to match the cable impedance used.
>
> What matters is that the connector match the physical dimensions of the
> cable so that it can be properly installed, and this is true regardless
> of impedance.
>
>> Also incorrectly mated connectors risk damage to their centre
>> connectors by forcing the engagement.  Use the correct connector for
>> the cable in use.
>
> Zo depends upon o.d. of the center conductor with the connectors mated,
> and would be established by the o.d. of the female pin receptacle, not
> the o.d. of the male tip. Although I have not studied the mechanical
> Standard for 75 ohm BNCs, I would VERY surprised if the dimensions of a
> proper 75 ohm connector would prevent it from mating with a proper 50
> ohm connector. Have you studied such a spec?  I'm quite active in
> international Standards work (with the AES) and that sort of
> incompatibility is something we make certain to avoid!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 13 14:49:41 2014
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (Brian)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:49:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>

I was wondering if there is any kind of "sensibility" check done on the 
input reference?

For example, I've been fooling around with a double oven controlled XO.

Starting from cold it is > 200Hz off.  It takes ten minutes or so to be 
within 10 Hz. It gets into the tenths of Hz accuracy region in another 
10 minutes.

Clearly one would not want the K3EXREF to lock to this oscillator during 
the first 10 minutes or so.

73 de Brian/K3KO

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 13 14:50:37 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:50:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
Message-ID: <1251516904.313567.1413226237124.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106144.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I am having problems getting MMTTY to transmitproperly using K3 with a Signalink USB interface.

Currently, when I go to TX in MMTTY, I get red TXlight on Signalink, a red TX light on K3, I hear diddles coming out of theSignalink rear monitor jack, and ?I seemovement on Vu meter in Windows sound playback tab. BUT I get no RF out on K3 RFmeter, no movement on K3 ALC meter and I am not hearing any diddles.

- PC is Win 7 64 bit, i5 3.5ghz processor,?16gbof ram

- My K3, Signalink, PC setup is working finewith DM780 PSK31, JT65HF, WSPR and WSJT-X.

Would appreciate talking to someone who hasMMTTY running successfully ?using K3 witha Signalink USB ?to share setup information.


?
Tnx & 73 

Paul


?

From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Mon Oct 13 14:58:41 2014
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VB6
In-Reply-To: <543C18B8.30208@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <1413154025731-7593796.post@n2.nabble.com>	<543B06DC.9080200@subich.com>	<543B1312.7050709@embarqmail.com>	<543BDAED.8070805@mediacombb.net>	<CAAEtO3=nbnCEonBz7SAZuuSRZ96uBDr5m2Wv4FgYnvc=B+mfLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<543C18B8.30208@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <543C20E1.6020906@mediacombb.net>

It happens after the BIOS hands off to the OS, it is OS specific.
The easiest fix is turn the radio on after the OS has started.

On 10/13/2014 1:23 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> I think "exercise" is the wrong term.
>
> You're talking about hardware (the serial port) and how it behaves 
> before it is initialized.
>
> Saying that the OS has anything to do with how a port behaves before 
> the OS boots is a bit questionable.
>
> It's possible that Apple's hardware behaves consistently on power-up 
> -- I'd believe that.  Apple operating systems don't have to contend 
> with the same amount of random hardware.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
>


-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


From ho13dave at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 14:59:32 2014
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C1AAF.4020607@subich.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543C1AAF.4020607@subich.com>
Message-ID: <543C2114.90005@gmail.com>


According to the specs in the RF Industires catalog, pages 7 and 14 in 
the version I have here, the center pins of 50 ohm and 75 ohm BNC's 
are indeed the same size: .053 +/-.001 inch.

The difference is Zo is generated by using dielectric in the 50 ohm 
but none in the 75 ohm, and slight difference in the inside dimensions 
of the plus and sockets.

It is a little hard to tell from the drawings whether or not you can 
plug a 50 into 75, and vise versa, with no issues. Although the pins 
are the same size, there is a slight difference in the inside 
diameters and the depths of the two fittings are different. This is 
complicated by the fact that the 50 and 75 ohm fittings use different 
reference planes to make the measurements.

The catalog is available on the RF Industries web site.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 10/13/14 1:32 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>  > While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs,
>  > the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a
>  > small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small.
>
> I disagree ... *DO NOT MIX 75 and 50 Ohm connectors*.  50 Ohm male
> connectors will split the center contact of a 75 Ohm female wile 75 Ohm
> male connectors will not make reliable connection with the center
> contact of a 50 Ohm female.
>
> In general, a 75 Ohm center pin will not accept the center conductor of
> 50 Ohm cable and a 50 Ohm center pin can not be *reliably* attached
> (either crimp or solder) to the smaller center conductor of 75 Ohm cable
> due to the relative sizes.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-13 12:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75
>>> ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds
>>> of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way,
>>> RG-59 not RG-79.
>>
>> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs,
>> the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a
>> small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm
>> connectors were important with analog video because of the smearing of
>> very fine detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of
>> patching and routing.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ho13dave at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:00:56 2014
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C1AAF.4020607@subich.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543C1AAF.4020607@subich.com>
Message-ID: <543C2168.4080500@gmail.com>


According to the specs in the RF Industries catalog, pages 7 and 14 in 
the version I have here, the center pins of 50 ohm and 75 ohm BNC's 
are indeed the same size: .053 +/-.001 inch.

The difference is Zo is generated by using dielectric in the 50 ohm 
but none in the 75 ohm, and slight difference in the inside dimensions 
of the plugs and sockets.

It is a little hard to tell from the drawings whether or not you can 
plug a 50 into 75, and vise versa, with no issues. Although the pins 
are the same size, there is a slight difference in the inside 
diameters and the depths of the two fittings are different. This is 
complicated by the fact that the 50 and 75 ohm fittings use different 
reference planes to make the measurements.

The catalog is available on the RF Industries web site.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 10/13/14 1:32 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>  > While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs,
>  > the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a
>  > small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small.
>
> I disagree ... *DO NOT MIX 75 and 50 Ohm connectors*.  50 Ohm male
> connectors will split the center contact of a 75 Ohm female wile 75 Ohm
> male connectors will not make reliable connection with the center
> contact of a 50 Ohm female.
>
> In general, a 75 Ohm center pin will not accept the center conductor of
> 50 Ohm cable and a 50 Ohm center pin can not be *reliably* attached
> (either crimp or solder) to the smaller center conductor of 75 Ohm cable
> due to the relative sizes.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-13 12:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75
>>> ohm. I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds
>>> of BNCs that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way,
>>> RG-59 not RG-79.
>>
>> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs,
>> the difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a
>> small fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm
>> connectors were important with analog video because of the smearing of
>> very fine detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of
>> patching and routing.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From peter.torry at talktalk.net  Mon Oct 13 15:02:04 2014
From: peter.torry at talktalk.net (Peter Torry)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:02:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
	<543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543C21AC.2080104@talktalk.net>

Hello Jim,

I quite agree that what matters is that the connector match the physical 
dimensions of the cable.

Originally they didn't mate, 50 Ohm was 50 Ohm and 75 was 75.The pins 
were different diameters, and there were warranty warnings to only use 
the correct connectors with equipment such as the old Tek 475 scope. A 
50 Ohm plug would damage a 75 Ohm socket.

Now modern BNC connectors don't quite make their correct impedance 
characteristics but will physically mate with each other without 
mechanical issue if made to IEC 169-8. The electrical characteristics 
vary between the different impedances and one should be wary of the 93 R 
variety. I understand in the US MIL-STD 348B is similar but doesn't 
state the Zo.Then we have the far eastern manufacturers that appear to 
be slightly different again.

All in all a bit of a nightmare so that was why I suggested being 
careful in selection and using branded connectors from a reputable 
manufacturer.

On the Elecraft front my Def Spec connector doesn't mate correctly with 
the BNC socket on the rear panel of the K3.

I think I had better retire to a dark room.

73

PeterG3SMT


On 13/10/2014 16:45, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,10/13/2014 9:30 AM, Peter Torry wrote:
>> It may not make a difference to performance on HF but it does matter 
>> because the centre pins have different diameters of solder pot / 
>> crimp barrel to match the cable impedance used. 
>
> What matters is that the connector match the physical dimensions of 
> the cable so that it can be properly installed, and this is true 
> regardless of impedance.
>
>> Also incorrectly mated connectors risk damage to their centre 
>> connectors by forcing the engagement.  Use the correct connector for 
>> the cable in use. 
>
> Zo depends upon o.d. of the center conductor with the connectors 
> mated, and would be established by the o.d. of the female pin 
> receptacle, not the o.d. of the male tip. Although I have not studied 
> the mechanical Standard for 75 ohm BNCs, I would VERY surprised if the 
> dimensions of a proper 75 ohm connector would prevent it from mating 
> with a proper 50 ohm connector. Have you studied such a spec?  I'm 
> quite active in international Standards work (with the AES) and that 
> sort of incompatibility is something we make certain to avoid!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC 


From myronschaffer at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:05:23 2014
From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:05:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C1B9C.9010106@subich.com>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>
	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543BFE0C.8020503@talktalk.net>
	<543C01B0.2050900@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543C1B9C.9010106@subich.com>
Message-ID: <B73760D2-FA5F-44E3-8823-7E7B3C14B50C@gmail.com>

All,

And while the pin/receptacle dimensions are important to maintain physical integrity, the characteristic impedance doesn't come into play unless you experience a "considerable" phase length such as a 30 degree discontinuity at a given frequency. 

So at HF the phase length of the 70-50 ? discontinuity experienced by a BNC connector (or any other impedance) is very short. Important at UHF, yes, important at HF, nope.

Myron WV?H
Printed on Recycled Data

> On Oct 13, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> and unreliable contact).

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Oct 13 15:49:26 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:49:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C0EFD.8080907@charter.net>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<CA+33ts6AgbyhF9HfqwgEou+P=cLp2HSbWcupnHa-TXrUgn83SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<543C0EFD.8080907@charter.net>
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On 10/13/2014 10:42 AM, Sandy Blaize wrote:

> There is a lot of "crap" parts available at hamfests these days!  Be
> careful what you buy!!

Had cable problems with P3 when I first got it.  Bob, K6XX, at Elecraft 
and who I know well called me and said [only slightly tongue-in-cheek] 
they'd send me a replacement cable ... *if* I promised to cut the old 
one in small pieces and bury it at the bottom of our trash can so it 
never could appear at a ham swap. :-)  I did.

If you want connectors that fit, and that work all the time, you'll need 
to totally avoid the cheap stuff.  I use only Amphenol coax connectors.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org




From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 13 17:33:56 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:33:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs
In-Reply-To: <543C0EFD.8080907@charter.net>
References: <C7B24148-6209-4026-80CD-8787393BCAAA@yahoo.com>	<543BFABB.9070303@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<CA+33ts6AgbyhF9HfqwgEou+P=cLp2HSbWcupnHa-TXrUgn83SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<543C0EFD.8080907@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1413236036.63507.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The practical answer is try to insert your coax into the bushing.  RG-59 and RG8X are the same size and RG-58 is smaller.  If RG-58 is sloppy in the bushing and RG-59 or RG8X fits then it is OK to use unless you are trying to get an exact match for micro-wave.  If you are a micro-wave engineer you are more qualified than I, but for 6 meters and below the extremely small bump will not be noticeable.  You are jousting windmills to avoid an impedence bump that you cannot see.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart


On Monday, October 13, 2014 12:42 PM, Sandy Blaize <ebjr37 at charter.net> wrote:
 


YES!!!!  The 75 ohm series are UG-260/U connectors, the 50 ohm series is 
the UG-88/U.  If they don't have this stamped into the rear barrel of 
the connector, THEY ARE Counterfeits or JUST PLAIN TRASH!

There is a lot of "crap" parts available at hamfests these days!  Be 
careful what you buy!!

73,
Sandy W5TVW
On 10/13/2014 11:18 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Thanks Jim
>
> I was going to ask that exact question.  For the amateur world, does it
> make a difference if a 75 ohm connector is installed on a 50 ohm feedline.
>
> You  made it very clear for everyone.  Thanks!
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun,10/12/2014 6:32 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> Don't know where anyone got the idea that BNCs made for RG-8x we 75 ohm.
>>> I worked in the tv industry for many years and we used hundreds of BNCs
>>> that were made specifically for 75 ohm video. By the way, RG-59 not RG-79.
>>>
>> While you are entirely correct that there are 75 ohm and 50 ohm BNCs, the
>> difference DOES NOT MATTER at HF, because the connector is such a small
>> fraction of a wavelength and the difference is small. 75 ohm connectors
>> were important with analog video because of the smearing of very fine
>> detail in a high res image, and because studios do lots of patching and
>> routing.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 13 17:50:32 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:50:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs Enough!
Message-ID: <916898.1413237032504.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Without sounding my horn too loudly I have servered on IEEE connector committees and been paid big bucks to solve the production line problems. Counterfet connectors is too mild a term. There is some real crap out there and your eyeballs won't be able to detect it. Things like finish and and spring tention problems can not be seen. I recall one particular connector that was causing a 2db measured loss over a prefered Kings or Amphenol connector. The imported brand X connector was available in both 50 and 75 ohm versions, both of which were unmarked. When actually measured with a TDR they both measured 62 ohms.

Folks, life is too short to mess with S T U F F like this. Do you really have to touch the wet paint or believe the sign.

73, Fred, AE6QL


-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
>Sent: Oct 13, 2014 12:49 PM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNCs
>
>On 10/13/2014 10:42 AM, Sandy Blaize wrote:
>
>> There is a lot of "crap" parts available at hamfests these days!  Be
>> careful what you buy!!
>
>Had cable problems with P3 when I first got it.  Bob, K6XX, at Elecraft 
>and who I know well called me and said [only slightly tongue-in-cheek] 
>they'd send me a replacement cable ... *if* I promised to cut the old 
>one in small pieces and bury it at the bottom of our trash can so it 
>never could appear at a ham swap. :-)  I did.
>
>If you want connectors that fit, and that work all the time, you'll need 
>to totally avoid the cheap stuff.  I use only Amphenol coax connectors.
>
>73,
>
>Fred K6DGW
>- Northern California Contest Club
>- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>- www.cqp.org
>
>
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Oct 13 19:08:36 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:08:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
Message-ID: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi Paul, 
Although I do not use MMTTY ,? the fact that you have the lights and TX on the k3 working suggests that the ptt function (or VOX) is correct. 
The fact that all of the other software is working suggests that something related to the sound card settings in MMTTY is incorrect. Perhaps it has its own level controls or you have the wrong i/o settings. 
Can you receive correctly? Have you set the input on the k3 to the line in? 
Hope this helps. 
73's Tom 
va2fsq.com

On Oct 13, 2014 2:50 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> I am having problems getting MMTTY to transmitproperly using K3 with a Signalink USB interface.
>
> Currently, when I go to TX in MMTTY, I get red TXlight on Signalink, a red TX light on K3, I hear diddles coming out of theSignalink rear monitor jack, and ?I seemovement on Vu meter in Windows sound playback tab. BUT I get no RF out on K3 RFmeter, no movement on K3 ALC meter and I am not hearing any diddles.
>
> - PC is Win 7 64 bit, i5 3.5ghz processor,?16gbof ram
>
> - My K3, Signalink, PC setup is working finewith DM780 PSK31, JT65HF, WSPR and WSJT-X.
>
> Would appreciate talking to someone who hasMMTTY running successfully ?using K3 witha Signalink USB ?to share setup information.
>
> ?
> Tnx & 73
>
> Paul
>
> ?
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From n4ua.va at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:12:58 2014
From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] 10 MHz GPS Disciplined Oscillator
Message-ID: <CAALHBrZewqzFMWH1Ws8FG=WnRujMnbuEccVK97221OmoETiWxQ@mail.gmail.com>

For users of the K3EXREF high-stability option, I have listed a Trimble
Thunderbolt GPSDO package on QTH today.

73,

geo - n4ua

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 13 19:14:11 2014
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:14:11 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC v TNC
References: <916898.1413237032504.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <FF80065649B14A4C94B8FE311CDCCDD4@toshibauser>

Hi Fred

I wonder if you have come across counterfeit TNC connectors.  I would guess 
that since these are not used in the mass computer industry then there is 
less incentive for the counterfeiters to be interested.  The BNC is most 
interesting because it's so easy to connect and disconnect, but for me it's 
a size issue and I prefer the *improved* water resistance of the TNC.  I 
left a mated pair out in a heavy downpour recently and found no water 
ingress.  If I were doing it properly I would apply a little Vaseline 
petroleum jelly on the thread.

David
G3UNA




> Without sounding my horn too loudly I have servered on IEEE connector 
> committees and been paid big bucks to solve the production line problems. 
> Counterfet connectors is too mild a term. There is some real crap out 
> there and your eyeballs won't be able to detect it. Things like finish and 
> and spring tention problems can not be seen. I recall one particular 
> connector that was causing a 2db measured loss over a prefered Kings or 
> Amphenol connector. The imported brand X connector was available in both 
> 50 and 75 ohm versions, both of which were unmarked. When actually 
> measured with a TDR they both measured 62 ohms.
>
> Folks, life is too short to mess with S T U F F like this. Do you really 
> have to touch the wet paint or believe the sign.
>
> 73, Fred, AE6QL
>
> 

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:17:04 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:17:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <1251516904.313567.1413226237124.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106144.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1251516904.313567.1413226237124.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106144.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543C5D70.9060106@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

How many bars are being illuminated on the K3 ALC meter?  If you do not 
have 4 bars illuminated with the 5th bar flickering, you do not have 
enough audio drive.
If you are using the K3 Line In, you will have to set the SignaLink for 
high audio output (see the SL instructions).

The K3 must be operated as indicated in the K3 manual.  If you try to 
use the conventional advice given for other rigs, you will have trouble 
- the K3 is different in how it controls the power output level.
Set the audio level to produce the proper level in the ALC meter (you 
can do that in TX TEST mode so you do not bother other operators).  Then 
set your desired power level with the K3 power control.
Attempting to use the audio level to control the power output will 
result in failure.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/13/2014 2:50 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> I am having problems getting MMTTY to transmitproperly using K3 with a Signalink USB interface.
>
> Currently, when I go to TX in MMTTY, I get red TXlight on Signalink, a red TX light on K3, I hear diddles coming out of theSignalink rear monitor jack, and  I seemovement on Vu meter in Windows sound playback tab. BUT I get no RF out on K3 RFmeter, no movement on K3 ALC meter and I am not hearing any diddles.
>
> - PC is Win 7 64 bit, i5 3.5ghz processor, 16gbof ram
>
> - My K3, Signalink, PC setup is working finewith DM780 PSK31, JT65HF, WSPR and WSJT-X.
>
> Would appreciate talking to someone who hasMMTTY running successfully  using K3 witha Signalink USB  to share setup information.
>


From kd7gc at q.com  Mon Oct 13 20:09:35 2014
From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] BNCs Enough!
In-Reply-To: <916898.1413237032504.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <916898.1413237032504.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000801cfe743$029862c0$07c92840$@com>

For what it might be worth, I only use 7/16 DIN connectors for my jumpers
and transmission lines.  When I have coax switches and baluns made, as well
as accessories such as power meters, I always order them with 7/16 DINs.  I
also always buy either Andrew or Times Microwave connectors depending
whether I am using hard line or coax such as LMR600 or LMR900.  It costs a
bunch more, but the 7/16 DIN connectors can't be beat.

 

Alan/KD7GC

 

 

 

Alan R. Downing

Phoenix, AZ

 

From: Fred Townsend-2 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7593827h22 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 2:52 PM
To: kd7gc
Subject: Re: BNCs Enough!

 

Without sounding my horn too loudly I have servered on IEEE connector
committees and been paid big bucks to solve the production line problems.
Counterfet connectors is too mild a term. There is some real crap out there
and your eyeballs won't be able to detect it. Things like finish and and
spring tention problems can not be seen. I recall one particular connector
that was causing a 2db measured loss over a prefered Kings or Amphenol
connector. The imported brand X connector was available in both 50 and 75
ohm versions, both of which were unmarked. When actually measured with a TDR
they both measured 62 ohms. 

Folks, life is too short to mess with S T U F F like this. Do you really
have to touch the wet paint or believe the sign. 

73, Fred, AE6QL 


-----Original Message----- 


>From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> 
>Sent: Oct 13, 2014 12:49 PM 
>To: [hidden email] 
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNCs 
> 
>On 10/13/2014 10:42 AM, Sandy Blaize wrote: 
> 
>> There is a lot of "crap" parts available at hamfests these days!  Be 
>> careful what you buy!! 
> 
>Had cable problems with P3 when I first got it.  Bob, K6XX, at Elecraft 
>and who I know well called me and said [only slightly tongue-in-cheek] 
>they'd send me a replacement cable ... *if* I promised to cut the old 
>one in small pieces and bury it at the bottom of our trash can so it 
>never could appear at a ham swap. :-)  I did. 
> 
>If you want connectors that fit, and that work all the time, you'll need 
>to totally avoid the cheap stuff.  I use only Amphenol coax connectors. 
> 
>73, 
> 
>Fred K6DGW 
>- Northern California Contest Club 
>- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 
>- www.cqp.org 
> 
> 
> 
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My experience with a dual-boot computer (Fedora 9 and Windoze XP) with a
relay toggled by the RTS line:  Windoze fiddles with the RTS line while
booting,  Fedora 9 doesn't.

de AJ4TF 



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 13 20:48:20 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:48:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New beta and production firmware releases for KX3 and PX3
In-Reply-To: <A6C7A0A6-7774-4DAA-A257-A8022DFEB71A@elecraft.com>
References: <A6C7A0A6-7774-4DAA-A257-A8022DFEB71A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <DA4C1BAE-42F8-4946-B5EE-79F2DB76BEF4@elecraft.com>

KX3 (rev. 2.25) and PX3 (rev. 1.12) firmware releases are now available for beta test (see notes below). The previous KX3 beta release has also been moved to Production status (2.23). The files are located at:

   http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm
   http://www.elecraft.com/PX3/PX3_software.htm

The most important feature is decoded text on the PX3 display. This works in both transmit and receive modes for CW, PSK31 (PSK-D) and RTTY (FSK-D).

NOTE 1:  If you don't see the new releases on our web site, it's probably because your browser has cached an older page. Just hit your browser's "refresh" button (usually a circular arrow icon).

NOTE 2:  Please turn off your KXPA100 (if applicable) when doing KX3 and PX3 firmware loads. This requirement will be eliminated in future versions of KX3 and PX3 Utility.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


* * *

KX3 MCU 2.25 / DSP 1.30, 10-5-2014

Note: The first two items below were actually made available in the 2.24 field-test firmware release.

* SUPPORT FOR PX3 TEXT DISPLAY: To enable text decode on the PX3, hold LABELS switch to switch to text-decode mode (requires PX3 rev. 1.12 or later). Text decode must also be enabled at the KX3.
* DUAL RX NOW ALLOWED WITH RX SHFT=8.0. In this case, VFO A can be from -7 below VFO B to +23 above it  (vs. +/- 15 for RX SHFT=NOR).
* PX3 NOW DISPLAYS VFO B PASSBAND CORRECTLY: The PX3 was showing the wrong VFO B filter bandwidth or passband location when using DATA modes or DUAL RX (dual watch). 
* DUAL RX DOES NOT FORCE OFS/B KNOB TO BE USED AS VFO B: The operator?s OFS/B knob assignment is no longer lost when DUAL RX is in effect.
* FAST-PLAY DISPLAY ERROR FIXED: With fast-play enabled (1-touch message play using BAND+/- and FREQ ENT.), a band change originating from a PC application no longer flashes ?END? on VFO B.
* CW SPEED DISPLAY TIME INCREASED WHEN TEXT DECODE IS ON: In CW mode, speed is now displayed for 1.0 sec. In FSK-D and PSK-D modes, it's .5 sec. The time is shorter for DATA modes because character transmission rates are usually faster, and the operator might miss important text due to the speed display.
* PA BYPASS METERING FIXED: If the KXPA100 goes to bypass because of an error condition, the KX3 drops to 5 W. The RF meter is now  correctly set to low range.
* TEXT DECODE LOCKOUT FIX: Adjustment of NR, NB, NTCH, etc. no longer causes loss of CW/DATA text decode on the VFO B display.
* HOST COMMANDS ?UP?, ?DN?, and ?DT?: These are now working with the PX3.

* * *

PX3 MCU 1.12 / 10/03/2014

* Fixes a bug which required extra encoder turns to change the span. 
* Text decode feature added. A long key press of the MENU/LABELS key now is used to: show labels, not show labels or turn on text decode. 
* Text decode shows the receive characters in white, transmit characters in green. 
* Noise Blanker on/off now shows the on/off state in the menu, just like other menu functions.
* Rev. 1.12 of the PX3 requires KX3 version 2.24 or later







From rcrgs at verizon.net  Mon Oct 13 22:26:05 2014
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:26:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
Message-ID: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>

I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus 
years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this 
purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25 
specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this 
"tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

...robert
-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From joe at k2uf.com  Mon Oct 13 22:33:53 2014
From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.110.1413254041.11565.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I remember seeing that tool in magazine ads.  I have a modified light weight
scissor jack to loosen tower sections.  It loosens all three legs at the
same time.  It works very well.  If you don't find the rohn tool you might
consider the jack.

73  Joe K2UF 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert
G Strickland
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:26 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool

I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus 
years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this 
purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25 
specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this 
"tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

...robert
-- 
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rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Mon Oct 13 22:35:35 2014
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:35:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <20141014023404.1B94E26B98D7@mailman.qth.net>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
	<20141014023404.1B94E26B98D7@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <060901cfe757$88c0c720$9a425560$@wjschmidt.com>

It's called a "Tower Jack"...


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ 

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch
Staunton, Illinois
 
email:  bill at wjschmidt.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
K2UF
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:34 PM
To: 'Robert G Strickland'; 'Elecraft'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool

I remember seeing that tool in magazine ads.  I have a modified light weight
scissor jack to loosen tower sections.  It loosens all three legs at the
same time.  It works very well.  If you don't find the rohn tool you might
consider the jack.

73  Joe K2UF 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert
G Strickland
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:26 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool

I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus 
years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this 
purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25 
specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this 
"tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

...robert
-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA
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From tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 13 22:46:36 2014
From: tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net (Terry)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:46:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <543C8E8C.1080108@sbcglobal.net>

I use a small bottle jack and a pair of 2x4 all tied together and then 
tied to a tower leg. This protects those below if something slips.

Terry, KQ5U


On 10/13/2014 9:26 PM, Robert G Strickland wrote:
> I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus 
> years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this 
> purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25 
> specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this 
> "tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
> ...robert


From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Mon Oct 13 22:51:21 2014
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:51:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <060901cfe757$88c0c720$9a425560$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>	<20141014023404.1B94E26B98D7@mailman.qth.net>
	<060901cfe757$88c0c720$9a425560$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <543C8FA9.4030805@wi.rr.com>

The original Tower Jack is no longer made.  A newer/better design is 
manufactured by KF7P Metalworks:

http://www.kf7p.com/KF7P/YellowJack.html

Called the "Yellow Jack".

That said, be EXTREMELY careful disassembling an old tower, particularly 
one that you may not know much of its history or if it was installed 
properly.  Be sure you check the integrity of the tower itself AND the 
guy anchors/guys.  The safest way to take it down may be with a crane.  
If you can..a sawzall/torch may be a better solution.

Be safe and understand what you're doing.  I would check the Towertalk 
archives on this subject.




On 10/13/2014 9:35 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
> It's called a "Tower Jack"...
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch
> Staunton, Illinois
>   
> email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> K2UF
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:34 PM
> To: 'Robert G Strickland'; 'Elecraft'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
>
> I remember seeing that tool in magazine ads.  I have a modified light weight
> scissor jack to loosen tower sections.  It loosens all three legs at the
> same time.  It works very well.  If you don't find the rohn tool you might
> consider the jack.
>
> 73  Joe K2UF
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert
> G Strickland
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:26 PM
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
>
> I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus
> years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this
> purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25
> specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this
> "tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
> ...robert
>
> -- 
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Mon Oct 13 23:00:08 2014
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543C8FA9.4030805@wi.rr.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>	<20141014023404.1B94E26B98D7@mailman.qth.net>	<060901cfe757$88c0c720$9a425560$@wjschmidt.com>
	<543C8FA9.4030805@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <061501cfe75a$f6a4c4a0$e3ee4de0$@wjschmidt.com>

Much cheaper version/ copy on eBay... search!


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ 

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch
Staunton, Illinois
 
email:  bill at wjschmidt.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary
K9GS
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:51 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool

The original Tower Jack is no longer made.  A newer/better design is 
manufactured by KF7P Metalworks:

http://www.kf7p.com/KF7P/YellowJack.html

Called the "Yellow Jack".

That said, be EXTREMELY careful disassembling an old tower, particularly 
one that you may not know much of its history or if it was installed 
properly.  Be sure you check the integrity of the tower itself AND the 
guy anchors/guys.  The safest way to take it down may be with a crane.  
If you can..a sawzall/torch may be a better solution.




From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 13 23:00:04 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (edward kacura via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K2 & KPA100/KAT100  And 4 band K1
Message-ID: <1413255604.35260.YahooMailNeo@web310203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm downsizing since retirement earlier this year, will be on the road with the travel trailer. These item need a new home instead of sitting packed away. I have my KX3, PX3 along with the KXPA 100, it all fits nicely in the trailer.

The K2, s/n 6576, was built in late 2011 by Dale Putnam WC7S, with the complete Rework Eliminator kit.
Installed in it are SSB option, Antenna tuner, KDSP2 filter with clock, KIO2 RS-232 interface, KBT2 battery kit, no battery. There's a built and unbuilt 60 meter kit, the built one is not installed. There's also an unbuilt noise blanker. There's a weighted VFO knob installed, and an extra top cabinet panel with speaker installed.

All the manuals included, along with a MH-2 hand mic and headset adapter. There's two unopened Rework Eliminator kits, KXPD1 clamp for the KX1 paddles to mount to the K2 bail, a cable for connecting the NUE-PSK modem (modem not included).

In a separate enclosure is the KPA/KAT 100 amp/tuner with cables to hook to the K2. Both radio and amp are in great condition. Asking $1500.00 for the package, new this would cost almost $2400.00.

The K1, s/n 2945, covers 40/30/20/15 meters, has the antenna tuner installed along with the Back Light mod and a weighted knob like the K2 installed. Asking $450.00 for the K1.

I will double box and insure, and pay the shipping, only lower 48 thou, no overseas. Paypal, or money order works for me. You will get two boxes with the K2.

As with all used electronic equipment, there's no return or refund. You will get working radios when they leave me.

Contact me off-line at ekacura at yahoo.com, or call my cell and leave a msg. 520-490-5395. ( I don't always hear the cell with my hearing aids)

Thanks and 73,
Ed Kacura
N7EDK
Willits, CA 95490

From w7cs at theriver.com  Tue Oct 14 02:54:59 2014
From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 23:54:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re:  BNCs,  Enough!
Message-ID: <20141013235510.8BDA733F@dm0219.mta.everyone.net>

In my previous life as the project manger of an RF Equipment Design 
Department, that built racks of equipment for the Military and for 
NASA, I would not allow BNCs to be used on interconnecting signal 
cables, only TNCs or Type Ns.  Chassis mounted BNCs and their 
attending cables were only used for check out and testing purposes, 
and as for interfacing to external Test Equipment.

TNC connectors/connections (really similar to small sized Ns) 
provided the initial, as well as long term reliability, required for 
intense Military and NASA operations, that might be involving the 
safety of lives.

However now retired, and as a Ham, I regularly violate my own rules, HI

W7CS


From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 14 03:36:24 2014
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:36:24 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] BNC v TNC
References: <31035527.1413243600826.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6688F7A3F1E24141B154740704D88A37@toshibauser>

Fred

Yes, you are right, Vaseline does run like that, but I try to stay far away 
from silicon grease as it's the best adhesive-inhibitor known to man even 
one molecule thick layer!  I worked in a factory which banned it because of 
that.  I use silicon RTV (the non-acetic acid type).

We used to be advised not to plug 50 ohm coax into a scope because it was 
said it would damage the 75ohm panel connector, but that must have changed 
with the change of the centre pin dimension as someone said here.

David
G3UNA




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
To: "David Cutter" <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNC v TNC


>
> Hi David:
>
> Yes I have seen counterfeit TNCs. The assembly I worked on had two BNC, 
> two TNC and one SMA. Only the SMA, which was receive only (GPS), did not 
> have problems. The connectors were cast and had mold marks. Resistance was 
> supposed to be a few milliohms but measured 10 times that. They were 
> inferior in just about every parameter. They had no manuafacture's mark at 
> all so impossible to trace beyound the Chinise distributer we bought them 
> from.
> Vaseline is good but will run a bit in hot sun. (Is that a problem in the 
> UK?) I use a silicon grease from 3M. It was listed as stopcock grease but 
> worked perfect at all temps. I like a silicon rubber tape or RTV (type 1) 
> for wrapping. RTV has the nice advantage it can be applied around water 
> without drying.
>
> 73
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com>
>>Sent: Oct 13, 2014 4:14 PM
>>To: Fred Townsend <fptownsend at earthlink.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BNC v TNC
>>
>>Hi Fred
>>
>>I wonder if you have come across counterfeit TNC connectors.  I would 
>>guess
>>that since these are not used in the mass computer industry then there is
>>less incentive for the counterfeiters to be interested.  The BNC is most
>>interesting because it's so easy to connect and disconnect, but for me 
>>it's
>>a size issue and I prefer the *improved* water resistance of the TNC.  I
>>left a mated pair out in a heavy downpour recently and found no water
>>ingress.  If I were doing it properly I would apply a little Vaseline
>>petroleum jelly on the thread.
>>
>>David
>>G3UNA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Without sounding my horn too loudly I have servered on IEEE connector
>>> committees and been paid big bucks to solve the production line 
>>> problems.
>>> Counterfet connectors is too mild a term. There is some real crap out
>>> there and your eyeballs won't be able to detect it. Things like finish 
>>> and
>>> and spring tention problems can not be seen. I recall one particular
>>> connector that was causing a 2db measured loss over a prefered Kings or
>>> Amphenol connector. The imported brand X connector was available in both
>>> 50 and 75 ohm versions, both of which were unmarked. When actually
>>> measured with a TDR they both measured 62 ohms.
>>>
>>> Folks, life is too short to mess with S T U F F like this. Do you really
>>> have to touch the wet paint or believe the sign.
>>>
>>> 73, Fred, AE6QL
>>>
>>>
> 


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 04:02:37 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 04:02:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc2xWP9G45EbdCZ_S+Px+nzbxawM+ZtE7ZF897P_zeSpAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are you actually going to climb Rohn 25 that has been up in the air for 20+
years, for disassembly? Consider taking the thing down with a crane,
supporting it at the top with the crane and cut the bottom off, then lay it
down with the crane. As soon as you loose the top guys there are all kinds
of age-related things that can go wrong down below.

You should take this subject onto the TowerTalk reflector.

73, Guy K2AV

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Robert G Strickland <rcrgs at verizon.net>
wrote:

> I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus years.
> I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this purpose. It
> resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25 specifically and
> helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this "tool" would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
> ...robert
> --
> Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
> rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
> Syracuse, New York, USA
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 14 04:19:11 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 01:19:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc2xWP9G45EbdCZ_S+Px+nzbxawM+ZtE7ZF897P_zeSpAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
	<CANckpc2xWP9G45EbdCZ_S+Px+nzbxawM+ZtE7ZF897P_zeSpAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,10/14/2014 1:02 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Are you actually going to climb Rohn 25 that has been up in the air for 20+ years, for disassembly?

Caution is a very good thing, but why is it that the worst possible 
conditions must be assumed?  Perhaps the install was done correctly and 
the tower is in great shape?  Perhaps additional temporary guys might be 
added as insurance as a climber ascends?

73, Jim K9YC

From wes at triconet.org  Tue Oct 14 08:17:41 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 05:17:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <543D1465.2000602@triconet.org>

I didn't read the op so I'll add on here.

Make sure that the transmit mark frequency is the same as the receive 
frequency.  I've been bitten by this several times.  I like to use lower tones 
(915) because I listen to the incoming signal and the high tone drives me nuts.  
MMTTY defaults to 2125. If you use profiles then it's best to edit the .ini file 
directly and set these.

Wes  N7WS

On 10/13/2014 4:08 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Although I do not use MMTTY ,  the fact that you have the lights and TX on the k3 working suggests that the ptt function (or VOX) is correct.
> The fact that all of the other software is working suggests that something related to the sound card settings in MMTTY is incorrect. Perhaps it has its own level controls or you have the wrong i/o settings.
> Can you receive correctly? Have you set the input on the k3 to the line in?
> Hope this helps.
> 73's Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> On Oct 13, 2014 2:50 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> I am having problems getting MMTTY to transmitproperly using K3 with a Signalink USB interface.
>>
>> Currently, when I go to TX in MMTTY, I get red TXlight on Signalink, a red TX light on K3, I hear diddles coming out of theSignalink rear monitor jack, and  I seemovement on Vu meter in Windows sound playback tab. BUT I get no RF out on K3 RFmeter, no movement on K3 ALC meter and I am not hearing any diddles.
>>
>> - PC is Win 7 64 bit, i5 3.5ghz processor, 16gbof ram
>>
>> - My K3, Signalink, PC setup is working finewith DM780 PSK31, JT65HF, WSPR and WSJT-X.
>>
>> Would appreciate talking to someone who hasMMTTY running successfully  using K3 witha Signalink USB  to share setup information.
>>
>>   
>> Tnx & 73
>>
>> Paul
>>


From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 09:35:18 2014
From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 9:35:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter "noise" without antenna connected
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15011.1413255610.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <20141014133518.5DIR5.78497.root@cdptpa-web07>

Greetings from KT4JR and K4MWE to you smart folks...

Our panadapter regularly (but not always) shows wide green bands of "noise" before the antenna is connected.  When present, the bands are visible in the same panadapter screen location regardless of wbich band the radio is turned to, but the locations vary day to day (sometimes at the low end of the screen, other times in the middle).  The white line on the screen rises to peaks above these green areas.

How would we figure out what the source of this is?  It is present when no other appliances are being used in our house, so it is not our own AC, dishwasher, etc.

THANKS for suggestions!
73,
KT4JR

From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Tue Oct 14 09:39:55 2014
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:39:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....30m
In-Reply-To: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
References: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
Message-ID: <A48EE3A8-246C-47D7-8730-928ED2B9267D@liberty.edu>

Does the CW signal show up on a particular schedule? Does it seem to repeat its transmission a lot?
It would be interesting to hear a modern numbers station like this - they've really become scarce these days since the rise of the internet.

Jeff
KG7HDZ

From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 09:41:35 2014
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:41:35 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

I have not seen any replies to this, Brian.

As I see it, the only way out is to go into REF CAL from the Config menu
and then press 2 to disable XREF until the frequency standard has
locked.

Like you, I have found that if XREF is enabled when the K3 is switched
on, the K3 drifts unacceptably for 15 minutes until the frequency
standard has settled down.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Brian <alsopb at nc.rr.com> writes
>I was wondering if there is any kind of "sensibility" check done on the
>input reference?
>
>For example, I've been fooling around with a double oven controlled XO.
>
>Starting from cold it is > 200Hz off.  It takes ten minutes or so to be
>within 10 Hz. It gets into the tenths of Hz accuracy region in another
>10 minutes.
>
>Clearly one would not want the K3EXREF to lock to this oscillator
>during the first 10 minutes or so.
>
>73 de Brian/K3KO

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From pincon at erols.com  Tue Oct 14 10:13:59 2014
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....10 M
References: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
	<A48EE3A8-246C-47D7-8730-928ED2B9267D@liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <323E777A0A5440B39FA3840C07E1A2B2@pinnacle05df05>

Anyone have any idea what those "weeblies" are on ten meters?   They 
typically start high in frequency and flitter past the receiver then stop 
abruptly.  They sound like a very unstable oscillator, almost like there's a 
random (or encoded ?) narrow frequency modulation as they move lower down 
the band.  They are quite noticeable on the panadapter display and appear to 
have several rates of downward frequency shift.  Also, occasionally, a wide 
band "hump" for lack of a better word. will appear in the display and pop 
off a second later as quickly as it came.  I've tried tracking them down, 
but they all seem to not be coming from anything in close proximity to me.

I've heard these weeblies for many years.  They're not a QRM problem since 
they're only in the passband for a second or so and occur at about 1 to 5 
per minute. It's just that this is the first time I've been able to "see" 
them on the screen.  The display kinda reminds of the Quark capture displays 
we used to see.

73, Charlie k3ICH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu>
To: "elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HF noise.....30m


> Does the CW signal show up on a particular schedule? Does it seem to 
> repeat its transmission a lot?
> It would be interesting to hear a modern numbers station like this - 
> they've really become scarce these days since the rise of the internet.
>
> Jeff
> KG7HDZ
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 10:28:10 2014
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:28:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT; HF "noise" sources
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTM6JUx=DpAMQZzXz56UrJ7ons-5Jt16bAdCm8TbiwGENg@mail.gmail.com>

Do a Google search for "Ionospheric Sounders".  There are hundreds of them
operating 24/7 worldwide ....
far more than the handful of OTR's.  The NBS operates one within the city
of Boulder,  for example.

There's a network of HF wave-study radars along the US west coast ... some
are in the rest room buildings of Oregon State Parks. (:-)

Ken - K0PP

From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Tue Oct 14 10:35:07 2014
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:35:07 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com> <eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>

Why not just leave the frequency reference switched on.  OK with a TCXO, 
not so good with a Rubidium standard.  Power consumption must be trivial 
compared with the normal domestic base load.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 14/10/2014 10:41, David G4DMP wrote:
> I have not seen any replies to this, Brian.
>
> As I see it, the only way out is to go into REF CAL from the Config menu
> and then press 2 to disable XREF until the frequency standard has
> locked.
>
> Like you, I have found that if XREF is enabled when the K3 is switched
> on, the K3 drifts unacceptably for 15 minutes until the frequency
> standard has settled down.
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
>
> In a recent message, Brian <alsopb at nc.rr.com> writes
>> I was wondering if there is any kind of "sensibility" check done on the
>> input reference?
>>
>> For example, I've been fooling around with a double oven controlled XO.
>>
>> Starting from cold it is > 200Hz off.  It takes ten minutes or so to be
>> within 10 Hz. It gets into the tenths of Hz accuracy region in another
>> 10 minutes.
>>
>> Clearly one would not want the K3EXREF to lock to this oscillator
>> during the first 10 minutes or so.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 10:38:17 2014
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:38:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Additional Google search
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOEMHNcw_AG9_6gnjG4nFa0Fa6Te6Sb+P8itBJyf3YV5g@mail.gmail.com>

Additional search words ... "CODAR" and "Seasonde".

73

Ken - K0PP

From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 11:11:37 2014
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:11:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com> <eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

About 10W for the MV89A double oven CXO, when run from a linear 12V
power supply. NOT trivial at today's prices for electricity in Great
Britain.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk> writes
>Why not just leave the frequency reference switched on.  OK with a
>TCXO, not so good with a Rubidium standard.  Power consumption must be
>trivial compared with the normal domestic base load.

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 14 11:47:05 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:47:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter "noise" without antenna connected
In-Reply-To: <20141014133518.5DIR5.78497.root@cdptpa-web07>
References: <20141014133518.5DIR5.78497.root@cdptpa-web07>
Message-ID: <7D18E471-C94A-4402-AE48-B0AEF080319D@elecraft.com>


On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:35 AM, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote:

> Our panadapter regularly (but not always) shows wide green bands of "noise" before the antenna is connected.  When present, the bands are visible in the same panadapter screen location regardless of wbich band the radio is turned to, but the locations vary day to day (sometimes at the low end of the screen, other times in the middle).  The white line on the screen rises to peaks above these green areas.

Are you using a PX3 or P3? Assuming it's a PX3, try this:

- make sure RX I/Q is set to ON (KX3 menu)
- make sure the PX3->KX3 cables are fully seated
- connect an antenna to the KX3
- switch to 20 meters
- turn the preamp ON and set the PREAMP menu entry on the KX3 to 20 dB
- set the PX3's SPAN to 50 kHz or lower
- adjust the REF level so the "grass" (noise floor) is close to the bottom of the spectral plot

With the above setup, there will typically be no visible fixed spectral lines on the PX3.

As described in the PX3 FAQ on our web site, very wide SPAN settings and low front-end gain (e.g., turning off the preamp) will reduce the signal-to-noise ratio of an RX I/Q-based pandapter, including making wideband spurs more apparent. The same limitations apply when using the KX3 (or other quadrature downconversion radio) with a PC sound card. Typically this doesn't impact usability, e.g. locating signals of interest. In fact most sound cards are limited to displaying about 48 kHz of spectrum, while the PX3 can go wider thanks to its high-performance/high-speed A-to-D converter.

The P3 uses a completely different method of acquiring the signal for spectral display: It digitally down converts the K3's 8.2-MHz I.F. This provides a S/N and spur advantage over an RX I/Q approach, but requires much more complex circuitry -- hence the difference in cost between the two units.

Wayne
N6KR




From G0ORH at sky.com  Tue Oct 14 11:47:47 2014
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....10 M
In-Reply-To: <323E777A0A5440B39FA3840C07E1A2B2@pinnacle05df05>
References: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
	<A48EE3A8-246C-47D7-8730-928ED2B9267D@liberty.edu>
	<323E777A0A5440B39FA3840C07E1A2B2@pinnacle05df05>
Message-ID: <98A70F0C-2BB7-45F2-8166-60593B7AA9D7@sky.com>

Charlie etal 
I have seen that here though it tends to stay.
Sunday I had a weird thing happen, on the p3 scope, a tone would sound then a herring bone effect would occur across the whole p3 screen, these herring bones! We're spaced about every 1khz top and bottom.
This Tone, maybe a fishing net sounder! Or even OTHR, Went off every minute or so, making 10m impossible to use.
Anyone know why his happens and or what causes it!!

Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad


> On 14 Oct 2014, at 15:13, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any idea what those "weeblies" are on ten meters?   They typically start high in frequency and flitter past the receiver then stop abruptly.  They sound like a very unstable oscillator, almost like there's a random (or encoded ?) narrow frequency modulation as they move lower down the band.  They are quite noticeable on the panadapter display and appear to have several rates of downward frequency shift.  Also, occasionally, a wide band "hump" for lack of a better word. will appear in the display and pop off a second later as quickly as it came.  I've tried tracking them down, but they all seem to not be coming from anything in close proximity to me.
> 
> I've heard these weeblies for many years.  They're not a QRM problem since they're only in the passband for a second or so and occur at about 1 to 5 per minute. It's just that this is the first time I've been able to "see" them on the screen.  The display kinda reminds of the Quark capture displays we used to see.
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu>
> To: "elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HF noise.....30m
> 
> 
>> Does the CW signal show up on a particular schedule? Does it seem to repeat its transmission a lot?
>> It would be interesting to hear a modern numbers station like this - they've really become scarce these days since the rise of the internet.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> KG7HDZ
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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Oct 14 11:52:21 2014
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:52:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>	<CANckpc2xWP9G45EbdCZ_S+Px+nzbxawM+ZtE7ZF897P_zeSpAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543D46B5.4030206@sonic.net>

I have always used temporary guy wires whenever I had any doubts, not 
only during removal but also during installation of a tower.  As long as 
the tower is well-guyed it's not going to fall down.

The trick is to guy it just below the section you're working on.  As you 
add/remove each section, move the guys up or down a section.  A little 
tedious but worth the trouble.

Alan N1AL


On 10/14/2014 01:19 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Tue,10/14/2014 1:02 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> Are you actually going to climb Rohn 25 that has been up in the air 
>> for 20+ years, for disassembly?
>
> Caution is a very good thing, but why is it that the worst possible 
> conditions must be assumed?  Perhaps the install was done correctly 
> and the tower is in great shape?  Perhaps additional temporary guys 
> might be added as insurance as a climber ascends?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 11:54:24 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:54:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter "noise" without antenna connected
In-Reply-To: <20141014133518.5DIR5.78497.root@cdptpa-web07>
References: <mailman.15011.1413255610.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<20141014133518.5DIR5.78497.root@cdptpa-web07>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1oQ2o7UWU0SUN6v--uXuuLH-mYJ9Vj3+_ihktZx4+Frg@mail.gmail.com>

Before the antenna is connected, the input is unterminated. When that is
true the internal noise is anywhere from 20 to 40 dB higher.  If you want
to view the true level of the internal noise, connect the input of the P3
to a 50 ohm termination.

Seeing internal noise on an unterminated high impedance input is not an
equipment malfunction, it's usual.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:35 AM, <jsdroyster at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Greetings from KT4JR and K4MWE to you smart folks...
>
> Our panadapter regularly (but not always) shows wide green bands of
> "noise" before the antenna is connected.  When present, the bands are
> visible in the same panadapter screen location regardless of wbich band the
> radio is turned to, but the locations vary day to day (sometimes at the low
> end of the screen, other times in the middle).  The white line on the
> screen rises to peaks above these green areas.
>
> How would we figure out what the source of this is?  It is present when no
> other appliances are being used in our house, so it is not our own AC,
> dishwasher, etc.
>
> THANKS for suggestions!
> 73,
> KT4JR
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 14 12:26:09 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <543D1465.2000602@triconet.org>
References: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>
	<543D1465.2000602@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <543D4EA1.5080101@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,10/14/2014 5:17 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> I like to use lower tones (915) because I listen to the incoming 
> signal and the high tone drives me nuts.  MMTTY defaults to 2125. If 
> you use profiles then it's best to edit the .ini file directly and set 
> these. 

I do the same, and for the same reason. But it's not only the .ini file 
that must be edited -- there's another file that defines the various 
decoder settings that can be selected from a pull-down menu or cycled 
through. I don't recall the name of that file, but like the .ini file, 
it's plain text and in the same directory. There are about ten instances 
of the setting that must be changed.

73, Jim K9YC

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:27:48 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:27:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
	<CANckpc2xWP9G45EbdCZ_S+Px+nzbxawM+ZtE7ZF897P_zeSpAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc0rKjoC5KjAzpot97pM26a82wtKZfquQJw90T7Z2Jonyg@mail.gmail.com>

All it takes is ONE rusted out telescoping joint between sections. The
install could have been textbook, and you could still have a rusted
telescoping joint. Rohn 25 is the low end, minimum metal, inexpensive
tower. Rohn 45 and 55 are far more robust. Take this subject to TowerTalk
reflector and see how many horror stories you dig up.

If a tower joint kicks out sidewise between guys below, rope guys won't
necessarily save you. There are stories of towers collapsing straight down,
inside the guys, with all the guys below still attached.

When you plan for the worst, then you don't get killed, maimed or crippled
by the worst. Why would anyone bet the rest of their life on old Rohn 25?
Own stock in the company?

Use a crane to take down old Rohn 25, or if you got the space, cut it down
like a tree by cutting the guys opposite the desired direction of fall.

May you live long enough and healthy enough to play video games with your
great-grandchildren.

73, Guy.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Tue,10/14/2014 1:02 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>
>> Are you actually going to climb Rohn 25 that has been up in the air for
>> 20+ years, for disassembly?
>>
>
> Caution is a very good thing, but why is it that the worst possible
> conditions must be assumed?  Perhaps the install was done correctly and the
> tower is in great shape?  Perhaps additional temporary guys might be added
> as insurance as a climber ascends?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 12:34:30 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:34:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>
	<eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk><543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
	<ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>

Hi all.

I'm about to buy my first (used) K3. The only known issue with it is a small 
crack in the knob on the 2nd VFO, which should be easy enough to replace?

I also have the serial number and I know its history. It was purchased in 
the UK as a kit and assembled by a local ham (now silent key). There's no 
microphone with it and no serial cable., but it does have a power lead and 
the 100W module.

I'm assured that it's fully working with no known issues and I will be able 
to try-before-buy.

Questions:

How can I find out what year it was supplied, from the serial number.

Is there any point in checking its current revision level, or should I just 
download the latest firmware and install it?

Are there any known issues that I should especially look for?

My preferred method of connection to a PC would be a USB cable. Is there a 
mod to allow USB direct to the K3, or is my perception of the manual correct 
and I need to use a USB to Serial cable?

I presume that I will have to order a front panel microphone plug from 
Elecraft, in order to use one of my electret microphones?

Thanks in advance.

73,

Alan. G4GNX



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 14 12:53:11 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>	<eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk><543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>	<ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
Message-ID: <543D54F7.50008@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,10/14/2014 9:34 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> Is there any point in checking its current revision level, or should I 
> just download the latest firmware and install it?

Certainly download and install the latest firmware. The K3 Utility makes 
this quite user-friendly.

>
> Are there any known issues that I should especially look for?

None I can think of.

>
> My preferred method of connection to a PC would be a USB cable. Is 
> there a mod to allow USB direct to the K3, 

No
> or is my perception of the manual correct and I need to use a USB to 
> Serial cable?

Yes.

> I presume that I will have to order a front panel microphone plug from 
> Elecraft, in order to use one of my electret microphones? 

The mic connector is the common Foster 8-pin. Your existing mics can be 
rewired to mate. Many of us use a Yamaha CM500 boom mic headset, which 
comes with two 1/8-in male plugs, that we plug directly into the rear 
panel. This will mute the loudspeaker, but there is a menu setting to 
turn the speaker back on, and most of us assign this toggle to a soft 
button on the front panel. I use PF2, which is the long push of the XIT 
button.  If the Yamaha headset is not available in the UK, I suspect 
that some similar product will be.

The K3 is easily set up to sound great with a wide range of mics by 
using the TXEQ (graphic equalizer).

That cracked knob is a very common issue, and is easily replaced. It 
needs a small hex (Allen) wrench.

73, Jim K9YC

From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:53:50 2014
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:53:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....10 M
In-Reply-To: <98A70F0C-2BB7-45F2-8166-60593B7AA9D7@sky.com>
References: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
	<A48EE3A8-246C-47D7-8730-928ED2B9267D@liberty.edu>
	<323E777A0A5440B39FA3840C07E1A2B2@pinnacle05df05>
	<98A70F0C-2BB7-45F2-8166-60593B7AA9D7@sky.com>
Message-ID: <1BCA09CC-E673-4E18-BAC2-E9AE90BD4EF3@gmail.com>

A digitally controlled motor can do that.  Think dishwasher, washing machine...

Mine does it but I can tell when a neighbor does chores too. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Ken Chandler <G0ORH at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Charlie etal 
> I have seen that here though it tends to stay.
> Sunday I had a weird thing happen, on the p3 scope, a tone would sound then a herring bone effect would occur across the whole p3 screen, these herring bones! We're spaced about every 1khz top and bottom.
> This Tone, maybe a fishing net sounder! Or even OTHR, Went off every minute or so, making 10m impossible to use.
> Anyone know why his happens and or what causes it!!
> 
> Ken.. G0ORH
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2014, at 15:13, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone have any idea what those "weeblies" are on ten meters?   They typically start high in frequency and flitter past the receiver then stop abruptly.  They sound like a very unstable oscillator, almost like there's a random (or encoded ?) narrow frequency modulation as they move lower down the band.  They are quite noticeable on the panadapter display and appear to have several rates of downward frequency shift.  Also, occasionally, a wide band "hump" for lack of a better word. will appear in the display and pop off a second later as quickly as it came.  I've tried tracking them down, but they all seem to not be coming from anything in close proximity to me.
>> 
>> I've heard these weeblies for many years.  They're not a QRM problem since they're only in the passband for a second or so and occur at about 1 to 5 per minute. It's just that this is the first time I've been able to "see" them on the screen.  The display kinda reminds of the Quark capture displays we used to see.
>> 
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu>
>> To: "elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HF noise.....30m
>> 
>> 
>>> Does the CW signal show up on a particular schedule? Does it seem to repeat its transmission a lot?
>>> It would be interesting to hear a modern numbers station like this - they've really become scarce these days since the rise of the internet.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> KG7HDZ
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From phystad at mac.com  Tue Oct 14 12:57:20 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:57:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com> <eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
	<ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
Message-ID: <AA9F0428-82F6-4552-8C9D-3B15C6D61BE9@mac.com>

> I'm about to buy my first (used) K3. The only known issue with it is a small crack in the knob on the 2nd VFO, which should be easy enough to replace?

Elecraft can replace your knob.


> 
> I also have the serial number and I know its history. It was purchased in the UK as a kit and assembled by a local ham (now silent key). There's no microphone with it and no serial cable., but it does have a power lead and the 100W module.

You can get both from Elecraft.  In my opinion, buying a serial cable from Elecraft is easier than making one so that is what I do.


> 
> How can I find out what year it was supplied, from the serial number.

Send an e-mail to support at elecraft.com and include the serial number and they can tell you month and year of production.

> 
> Is there any point in checking its current revision level, or should I just download the latest firmware and install it?

Download and install latest firmware.

> 
> Are there any known issues that I should especially look for?

Depending on the serial number, there could be some hardware mods.  You can check the mods list for the K3 on the Elecraft web site.  (www.elecraft.com).

> 
> My preferred method of connection to a PC would be a USB cable. Is there a mod to allow USB direct to the K3, or is my perception of the manual correct and I need to use a USB to Serial cable?

Yes, your perception is correct.  Must be serial to USB cable.

> 
> I presume that I will have to order a front panel microphone plug from Elecraft, in order to use one of my electret microphones?

Yes.


73, phil, K7PEH


From ho13dave at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:58:27 2014
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:58:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543C8FA9.4030805@wi.rr.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>	<20141014023404.1B94E26B98D7@mailman.qth.net>	<060901cfe757$88c0c720$9a425560$@wjschmidt.com>
	<543C8FA9.4030805@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <543D5633.8070209@gmail.com>

> Be sure you check the integrity of the tower
>> itself AND the guy anchors/guys.

Amen to that. One of the local guys was seriously hurt when a tower he 
was taking down fell with him on it. One of the turnbuckles parted. 
The widow said the husband used only stainless steel hardware. This 
turned out to not be true.

And keep in mind that towers made with tubing rot from the inside out. 
You can't check the outside and know if the tower is in decent shape.

A local ham, as well as business-band tower owner, looked up at his 
tower one day and saw that one leg was bowing out. This was tubular 
tower as in the Rohn 45 or 55 stuff. He replaced it with a tower made 
from solid rod. There is no 'inside' to rot with solid rod.

Since one cannot see the inside of a tower leg, and since tubing rots 
from the inside out, it is good to be cautious.

If I were going to climb an old tower I would guy it securely every 
10' on the way up. I dunno that that would prevent it from collapsing, 
but it would go a long ways toward preventing that. Old tower is 
dangerous stuff.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 10/13/14 9:51 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> The original Tower Jack is no longer made.  A newer/better design is
> manufactured by KF7P Metalworks:
>
> http://www.kf7p.com/KF7P/YellowJack.html
>
> Called the "Yellow Jack".
>
> That said, be EXTREMELY careful disassembling an old tower,
> particularly one that you may not know much of its history or if it
> was installed properly.  Be sure you check the integrity of the tower
> itself AND the guy anchors/guys.  The safest way to take it down may
> be with a crane. If you can..a sawzall/torch may be a better solution.
>
> Be safe and understand what you're doing.  I would check the Towertalk
> archives on this subject.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/13/2014 9:35 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
>> It's called a "Tower Jack"...
>>
>>
>> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ
>>
>> Owner - Operator
>> Big Signal Ranch
>> Staunton, Illinois
>> email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>> Of Joe
>> K2UF
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:34 PM
>> To: 'Robert G Strickland'; 'Elecraft'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
>>
>> I remember seeing that tool in magazine ads.  I have a modified
>> light weight
>> scissor jack to loosen tower sections.  It loosens all three legs at
>> the
>> same time.  It works very well.  If you don't find the rohn tool you
>> might
>> consider the jack.
>>
>> 73  Joe K2UF
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>> Of Robert
>> G Strickland
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:26 PM
>> To: Elecraft
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
>>
>> I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus
>> years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this
>> purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25
>> specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this
>> "tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> ...robert
>>
>> --
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary K9GS
>>
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>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>
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From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 13:01:15 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:01:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>
	<eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk><543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
	<ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
Message-ID: <031BF60A-10F9-4263-8D6F-3543D203C57C@gmail.com>

Having just purchased a K3/10 myself, I, too,
am interested in the answers to many of the
questions.

The seller included paperwork from W3FPR
showing work performed by him.  Mine is an
"early" serial number.

Seems it might be a difficult "configuration 
management" problem in general?  There
are hardware as well as software revisions.

On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:34 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> Questions:
> 
> How can I find out what year it was supplied, from the serial number.
> 
> Is there any point in checking its current revision level, or should I just download the latest firmware and install it?

--
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Oct 14 13:30:35 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>	<CANckpc2xWP9G45EbdCZ_S+Px+nzbxawM+ZtE7ZF897P_zeSpAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<543CDC7F.9040907@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543D5DBB.8080503@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Assuming the tower is completely unsafe could result in an unnecessary 
crane bill.

Assuming the tower is completely safe could result in an unnecessary 
medical bill.

Easy choice.

On 10/14/2014 1:19 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> Caution is a very good thing, but why is it that the worst possible 
> conditions must be assumed?


From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 14 14:16:07 2014
From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter "noise" without antenna connected
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1oQ2o7UWU0SUN6v--uXuuLH-mYJ9Vj3+_ihktZx4+Frg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20141014181607.THQOB.86801.root@cdptpa-web07>

Thanks to Guy and top Wayne for their comments.

I was not clear in my question:  The unit is a P3, not a PX3.

The vertical columns of noise are present with or without the antenna connected.

As they change from one time to another, I do not think they are internal noise.
I see in the issue of QST that just arrived there is a RF interference article which I am now reading...

Thanks for these and any more helpful comments!
Julie KT4JR



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 14 16:06:32 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:06:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
	changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
Message-ID: <99CE3E48-2EC9-4B4E-B381-36DE7A1B3E42@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

An interim release of K3 firmware is available with the following changes:

* * *

K3 MCU 4.92 / DSP 2.83, 10-14-2014

* PSK63 MODE ADDED:  To select PSK31 or PSK63, first tap either end of the MODE switch to select DATA, then hold the DATA MD switch and use VFO A to select the desired PSK data rate.

* KAT500 POWER-ON MESSAGE SHOWN ON K3 DISPLAY: If a powered-off KAT500 is pulling the auxBus signal low when the K3 is first turned on, "TURN ON KAT500" is displayed. Previously this condition would lock up the K3 without explanation.

* K3/0-MINI TX NOISE REDUCTION:  Polling by Remote-Rig units is suspended during PTT or XMIT switch use to reduce a "ticking" noise heard in some cases. 

* * *

(Other changes were made to this release that have no effect on operation, but require full re-testing of the K3 in all modes.)

If you're interested in loading and testing this firmware, please contact me directly (not via a list posting).

Thanks,

Wayne
N6KR




From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 14 16:56:46 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:56:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
Message-ID: <1760011331.96834.1413320206241.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for all the inputs on my question.I have made some progress. I changed the K3 mode from AFSK to Data A, and in MMTTY have"Rev" selected. I am now upon TX getting power out, movement on the ALC meter (4 bars with 5th flickering, mic line set at 31) and hearing Diddles. So MMTTY is working for TX and RX better than before, and I had a QSO a bit ago with W1AW/4.- However with K3 power set at 85w, I am only ?showing 30w power out on both K3 RF meter and on the KPA digital readout.- Also as I understand it Signalink does AFSK, so why does it appear to be working in DATA A. Does the Data A mode selection have something to do with the reduced power out?

73 Paulkc2nyu

From lists at subich.com  Tue Oct 14 17:08:03 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:08:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <1760011331.96834.1413320206241.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1760011331.96834.1413320206241.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543D90B3.8030404@subich.com>


 > Also as I understand it Signalink does AFSK, so why
 > does it appear to be working in DATA A. Does the Data A mode
 > selection have something to do with the reduced power out?

AFSK A has a very narrow *transmit* filter on the Mark/Space tones to
prevent distortion and hum.  If the MARK in MMTTY is not the same as
the MARK in the K3 (Pitch), you will get no output.

As for DATA A, depending on the transmit filter, you can have as much
as 1 to 1.5 dB of passband ripple.  -1 dB is roughly 80W output for a
nominal 100W.

I strongly suggest making sure the MMTTY Mark and K3 PTICH are set
to the same frequency, that you turn NET ON in MMTTY, turn AFC OFF,
*TUNE WITH THE K3 VFO* while using AFSK A and carefully read both
the K3 Owners Manual and MMTTY help files.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-14 4:56 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> Thanks for all the inputs on my question.I have made some progress. I
> changed the K3 mode from AFSK to Data A, and in MMTTY have"Rev"
> selected. I am now upon TX getting power out, movement on the ALC
> meter (4 bars with 5th flickering, mic line set at 31) and hearing
> Diddles. So MMTTY is working for TX and RX better than before, and I
> had a QSO a bit ago with W1AW/4.- However with K3 power set at 85w, I
> am only  showing 30w power out on both K3 RF meter and on the KPA
> digital readout.- Also as I understand it Signalink does AFSK, so why
> does it appear to be working in DATA A. Does the Data A mode
> selection have something to do with the reduced power out?
>
> 73 Paulkc2nyu
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Oct 14 17:13:20 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:13:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <543D4EA1.5080101@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>	<543D1465.2000602@triconet.org>
	<543D4EA1.5080101@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543D91F0.5010108@subich.com>


> I do the same, and for the same reason. But it's not only the .ini
> file that must be edited -- there's another file that defines the
> various decoder settings that can be selected from a pull-down menu
> or cycled through.

userpara.ini - it only comes into play if one uses the "Profiles (S)"
menu.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-14 12:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Tue,10/14/2014 5:17 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> I like to use lower tones (915) because I listen to the incoming
>> signal and the high tone drives me nuts.  MMTTY defaults to 2125. If
>> you use profiles then it's best to edit the .ini file directly and set
>> these.
>
> I do the same, and for the same reason. But it's not only the .ini file
> that must be edited -- there's another file that defines the various
> decoder settings that can be selected from a pull-down menu or cycled
> through. I don't recall the name of that file, but like the .ini file,
> it's plain text and in the same directory. There are about ten instances
> of the setting that must be changed.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 14 17:39:39 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <1760011331.96834.1413320206241.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1760011331.96834.1413320206241.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

There are subtle differences between DATA A and AFSK A.  You may want to 
review the K3 manual section on data modes for additional information.

First, DATA A sets the K3 to USB mode by default where AFSK A uses LSB 
by default.
DATA A can transmit and receive anywhere within the audio frequency 
range (unless the filters are narrowed).  AFSK A uses narrow filters by 
default.
Secondly, in DATA A, the K3 frequency shown is the suppressed carrier 
frequency.
In AFSK A the frequency displayed is the RTTY mark frequency. Convention 
when referring to the frequency of an RTTY signal, the MARK frequency is 
specified - that is helpful for scheduled contacts - no mental math from 
a waterfall display, it is right there on the K3 display.


Because of the latter two conditions, you must have the 'PITCH' set in 
AFSK A to the same as the mark frequency that you have set in MMTTY.  
The K3 uses narrow filters for AFSK A in both transmit and receive, so 
if you do not have both MMTTY and the K3 set to agree with those tones, 
the signal may not get through the K3 filters. Once you have things set 
properly, it should proceed smoothly.

When using AFSK A, you would tune in the signal using the K3 VFO rather 
than clicking on a waterfall.  That works great with MMTTY. If you 
prefer working with a waterfall display and clicking on a signal, you 
may find more comfort using FLDIGI or some data mode application other 
than MMTTY.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/14/2014 4:56 PM, paul ecker wrote:
> Thanks for all the inputs on my question.
> I have made some progress. I changed the K3 mode from AFSK to Data A, 
> and in MMTTY have"Rev" selected. I am now upon TX getting power out, 
> movement on the ALC meter (4 bars with 5th flickering, mic line set at 
> 31) and hearing Diddles. So MMTTY is working for TX and RX better than 
> before, and I had a QSO a bit ago with W1AW/4.
> - However with K3 power set at 85w, I am only  showing 30w power out 
> on both K3 RF meter and on the KPA digital readout.
> - Also as I understand it Signalink does AFSK, so why does it appear 
> to be working in DATA A. Does the Data A mode selection have something 
> to do with the reduced power out?
>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Oct 14 17:47:47 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:47:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>

David,

10w is 7.3 kwH/month.  I would doubt that is a large expense, even in 
GB.  Locally, its about 8 cents/kwH but in the bush it might be as 
high as a couple dollars since diesel fuel for the generators costs 
are huge (local diesel is $4.10).  I know it would require conversion 
to liters and all that to come up with equivalent costs, but most 
households run hundreds of kwh/mo.  Leave your TV plugged in but 
turned off and it still consumes about 50w.  I have plug strip to 
remove ac from all my home TV systems when not in use.  I leave power 
to the satellite receiver as it keeps the LNB powered and stable 
(Otherwise it takes 5-10 minutes to acquire signal and download data 
at startup).

Simple solution is to leave the reference oscillator running 
continually.  The K3 TCXO-3 will still drift on power up but this is 
compensated by EXREF every 4-seconds so frequency stability is held 
to better than 0.1 ppm.  I measured +/- 2 Hz at 28-MHz on my K3.  But 
if you watch the REF*CAL frequency you will note it incrementing from 
49.380.000 to something like 49.380.080 in several minutes and then 
settle down near that value (indicating start-up drift has stopped).

By not running your reference full time you will have to wait 15 to 
30 minutes for it to fully warm up.  I also have a rubidium but run 
it only for precise frequency calibration of the OCXO couple times 
per year.  My mw counter internal TCXO is always in agreement with 
the Rb so I do not bother for routine frequency checks.  The rb is 
only +/- 5 E-11 so not as good as GPS but good enough for my use.

73, Ed - KL7UW
-------------
From: David G4DMP <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
To: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3 at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

About 10W for the MV89A double oven CXO, when run from a linear 12V
power supply. NOT trivial at today's prices for electricity in Great
Britain.

73 de David G4DMP



73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 14 17:56:34 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:56:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I have the Pitch in AFSK set the same as the mark in MMTTY. I am using Signalink USB external sound card and the K3 and MMTTY.

But the question remains, if I set K3 mode to AFSK I get no power out or no Diddles. With Data A I do get power out and Diddles. Why is that ?? ?Even though using Data A I get some power out , why the lower power then what I have the K3 set out ??
73 Paulkc2nyu
      From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
 To: paul ecker <eckerpw at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
   
 Paul,
 
 There are subtle differences between DATA A and AFSK A.? You may want to review the K3 manual section on data modes for additional information.
 
 First, DATA A sets the K3 to USB mode by default where AFSK A uses LSB by default.
 DATA A can transmit and receive anywhere within the audio frequency range (unless the filters are narrowed).? AFSK A uses narrow filters by default. 
 Secondly, in DATA A, the K3 frequency shown is the suppressed carrier frequency.
 In AFSK A the frequency displayed is the RTTY mark frequency.? Convention when referring to the frequency of an RTTY signal, the MARK frequency is specified - that is helpful for scheduled contacts - no mental math from a waterfall display, it is right there on the K3 display.
 
 
 Because of the latter two conditions, you must have the 'PITCH' set in AFSK A to the same as the mark frequency that you have set in MMTTY.? The K3 uses narrow filters for AFSK A in both transmit and receive, so if you do not have both MMTTY and the K3 set to agree with those tones, the signal may not get through the K3 filters.? Once you have things set properly, it should proceed smoothly.
 
 When using AFSK A, you would tune in the signal using the K3 VFO rather than clicking on a waterfall.? That works great with MMTTY.? If you prefer working with a waterfall display and clicking on a signal, you may find more comfort using FLDIGI or some data mode application other than MMTTY.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 

On 10/14/2014 4:56 PM, paul ecker wrote:
  
  Thanks for all the inputs on my question. I have made some progress. I changed the K3 mode from AFSK to Data A, and in MMTTY have"Rev" selected. I am now upon TX getting power out, movement on the ALC meter (4 bars with 5th flickering, mic line set at 31) and hearing Diddles. So MMTTY is working for TX and RX better than before, and I had a QSO a  bit ago with W1AW/4. - However with K3 power set at 85w, I am only ?showing 30w power out on both K3 RF meter and on the KPA digital readout. - Also as I understand it Signalink does AFSK, so why does it appear to be working in DATA A. Does the Data A mode selection have something to do with the reduced power out?
  
  
 
 

  

From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Oct 14 18:05:32 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:05:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <543D9E2C.9000306@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

On 10/14/2014 2:47 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Leave your TV plugged in but turned off and it still consumes about 50w.
You need to buy a new TV.  The new ones are under a half-watt when 
plugged in but turned off.

From don at w3fpr.com  Tue Oct 14 18:06:49 2014
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:06:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>
	<7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543D9E79.7010901@w3fpr.com>

Paul,

I fear there is something in your setup between the K3 and MMTTY that is 
causing your problems.
In addition to the K3 manual, review the MMTTY help file to see if you 
can discover what that may be.
We can only guess about what your problem may be - what I can say is 
that if the tones are correct, the K3 will transmit in AFSK A.
Once you figure out what is wrong with the setup, you will likely do a 
good 'forehead slap'.
You had once mentioned "backwards" RTTY - you should not have ALT set on 
the K3 nor reverse set in MMTTY when using AFSK A because AFSK is LSB 
which is normal for RTTY.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/14/2014 5:56 PM, paul ecker wrote:
> I have the Pitch in AFSK set the same as the mark in MMTTY. I am using 
> Signalink USB external sound card and the K3 and MMTTY.
>
> But the question remains, if I set K3 mode to AFSK I get no power out 
> or no Diddles. With Data A I do get power out and Diddles. Why is that 
> ??  Even though using Data A I get some power out , why the lower 
> power then what I have the K3 set out ??
>
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 14 18:43:48 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:43:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/Signalink/MMTTY Problem
Message-ID: <1413326628.19535.YahooMailIosMobile@web163006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I have Net on and AFC off in MMTTY. I continue to go through MMTTY help file and K3 manual but have yet to find a solution. Still would like to find another K3 owner who is using a Signalink as an interface with MMTTY. That would be quite helpful. <a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>

From hwashcraft at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 18:50:11 2014
From: hwashcraft at gmail.com (Howard Ashcraft)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Last Call on Amateur Gear and Test Equipment
Message-ID: <CAPmd_i1F2qZFidVkLon6A9RiTcdU9L-o5jUfCPN+5woA9QMwfg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of the gear from my prior post has now been sold.  I have the
following items left.

Amateur Gear

Heil PR-20 Dynamic Microphone.  Mint condition, with original box, soft
case, multiple mesh caps and windscreen.  I also have a Heil footswitch,
and the Heil adapter cable for an Elecraft radio and the foot switch.  The
microphone alone is $85, (list $199)  the microphone. cable,  and foot
switch are $120.

Yaesu FT-8800           VHF/UHF transceiver  In very good shape.  DTMF
microphone is usable, but should be replaced.  The transceiver was my base
station, but the microphone was swapped with the mic. from my mobile unit
and had a harder life.  When my son took the SUV, he took the mobile radio
and the better mic.....  (The microphones are readily available on eBay for
$20-$50).   $225

Buddipole Deluxe  Used only 3 times.  $225

AA-908  Antenna Analyzer  (very useful in setting up Buddipole) $75

Vibroplex dual paddle key.  $25.  Some slight rust on painted parts.
Otherwise in very good condition.

Test Equipment


Tektronix 2465b Analog 4 Channel 400 MHz Oscilloscope with 2 P6137 probes.
This is a late model unit that was calibrated only a few years ago.  The
2465b may be the best portable analog scope ever made.  Very good physical
and electrical condition.  $700.

KA7EXM (Wes Hayward) PIC based RF wattmeter.  This was a kit produced by
Kanga according to the Wes Hayward design.  I also built the attenuator
that allowed for sampling up to 100 watts.  In perfect condition, with
attenuator.  Attenuator was measured with lab equipment to establish actual
loss at HF frequencies.  $45.

50 Ohm professional dummy load from a cellular service. (unused, prior to
me.  "N" connectors)This is easily good to 100 watts and was used to set up
and test my radio equipment. $25.

I also have several oscilloscope carts for Tek 7000 series and one mobile
tower for 11000 series These aren't worth shipping, but if you want to pick
one up in Alameda, CA, perhaps we can work something out.

All prices are before shipping costs.  If payment by PayPal, add 3% to
split fees.

73

-- 
Howard Ashcraft
W1WF

From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Tue Oct 14 20:27:19 2014
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:27:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Posted Photos of new Vertical Antenna
Message-ID: <543DBF67.1020900@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Finally got my vertical finished. See 
http://wilcoxengineering.com/vertical-antenna/ for photos and discussion.

Enjoy,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-478-0736
Williamsport, PA 17701

http://WilcoxEngineering.com
http://WilcoxPublishing.com


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 20:29:37 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 01:29:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <5962F3563B924AE292F4D7452D8D1EDD@Paramount>

Some years back, I was asked to do a study on the current consumption of a 
particular style of beverage vending machine. The device had a water tank 
which was well insulated and the water was heated by a 3KW heater, to just 
below boiling point. The client wanted to know whether there would be a 
saving in consumed energy, if the heater was switched off overnight. Careful 
study re4vealed that it actually cost more to heat the water from cold than 
leave the heater connected permanently, controlled by its thermostat.

There have been numerous papers published to this effect regarding well 
insulated domestic heating systems and although there is sometimes a benefit 
in reducing the overall temperature when the building is unoccupied, heating 
from cold as opposed to leaving the heating running under thermostatic 
control, costs more, even over a short period.

The oven used by a stable crystal oscillator is a thermostatically 
controlled heating device. Nuff sed! :-)

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Edward R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:47 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query

David,

10w is 7.3 kwH/month.  I would doubt that is a large expense, even in
GB.  Locally, its about 8 cents/kwH but in the bush it might be as
high as a couple dollars since diesel fuel for the generators costs
are huge (local diesel is $4.10).  I know it would require conversion
to liters and all that to come up with equivalent costs, but most
households run hundreds of kwh/mo.  Leave your TV plugged in but
turned off and it still consumes about 50w.  I have plug strip to
remove ac from all my home TV systems when not in use.  I leave power
to the satellite receiver as it keeps the LNB powered and stable
(Otherwise it takes 5-10 minutes to acquire signal and download data
at startup).

Simple solution is to leave the reference oscillator running
continually.  The K3 TCXO-3 will still drift on power up but this is
compensated by EXREF every 4-seconds so frequency stability is held
to better than 0.1 ppm.  I measured +/- 2 Hz at 28-MHz on my K3.  But
if you watch the REF*CAL frequency you will note it incrementing from
49.380.000 to something like 49.380.080 in several minutes and then
settle down near that value (indicating start-up drift has stopped).

By not running your reference full time you will have to wait 15 to
30 minutes for it to fully warm up.  I also have a rubidium but run
it only for precise frequency calibration of the OCXO couple times
per year.  My mw counter internal TCXO is always in agreement with
the Rb so I do not bother for routine frequency checks.  The rb is
only +/- 5 E-11 so not as good as GPS but good enough for my use.

73, Ed - KL7UW
-------------
From: David G4DMP <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
To: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3 at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

About 10W for the MV89A double oven CXO, when run from a linear 12V
power supply. NOT trivial at today's prices for electricity in Great
Britain.

73 de David G4DMP


From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Oct 14 20:43:34 2014
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:43:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Posted Photos of new Vertical Antenna
In-Reply-To: <543DBF67.1020900@wilcoxengineering.com>
References: <543DBF67.1020900@wilcoxengineering.com>
Message-ID: <1413333814.25047.0.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Nicely done!  I thought I had a lot of ferrite's on my feed-line!  :)
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Tue, 2014-10-14 at 20:27 -0400, Alan D. Wilcox wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Finally got my vertical finished. See 
> http://wilcoxengineering.com/vertical-antenna/ for photos and discussion.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Alan
> 
> Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
> 570-478-0736
> Williamsport, PA 17701
> 
> http://WilcoxEngineering.com
> http://WilcoxPublishing.com
> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 14 22:22:11 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:22:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Posted Photos of new Vertical Antenna
In-Reply-To: <543DBF67.1020900@wilcoxengineering.com>
References: <543DBF67.1020900@wilcoxengineering.com>
Message-ID: <543DDA53.5070907@aol.com>

Alan,
I guess the big question remains...  How did it perform?
73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 10/14/2014 6:27 PM, Alan D. Wilcox wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Finally got my vertical finished. See 
> http://wilcoxengineering.com/vertical-antenna/ for photos and discussion.
>
> Enjoy,
> Alan
>
> Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
> 570-478-0736
> Williamsport, PA 17701
>
> http://WilcoxEngineering.com
> http://WilcoxPublishing.com
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 14 23:06:50 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:06:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....10 M
In-Reply-To: <323E777A0A5440B39FA3840C07E1A2B2@pinnacle05df05>
References: <720b4b9b.3284.14905d6b0bf.Webtop.48@charter.net>
	<A48EE3A8-246C-47D7-8730-928ED2B9267D@liberty.edu>
	<323E777A0A5440B39FA3840C07E1A2B2@pinnacle05df05>
Message-ID: <1413342410576-7593884.post@n2.nabble.com>

These "weeblies" are all over the 10 meter band  here in northern Calif
Monday through Saturday; gone on Sunday.   Best I can find is that they are
radiated emissions from HF ultrasonic welders (used to seal plastic
packaging, emboss car mats, etc.)  They sound like they are a high power
oscillator which changes frequency during the welding operation; starting
high and decreasing in frequency as the weld is accomplished.  Such welders
are not supposed to operate in the ten meter band in the US, so I suspect
they are "rogue", operating international.
Dan
AC6DM


Anyone have any idea what those "weeblies" are on ten meters?   They 
typically start high in frequency and flitter past the receiver then stop 
abruptly.  They sound like a very unstable oscillator,



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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 14 23:33:05 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:33:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] HF noise.....10 M
Message-ID: <32793032.1413343985559.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


If memory serves me right there is a ICM band between 10 and 11 meters that would be a logical place for an welder.  Assuming they are using a power oscillator the signal could be quite broad band and unstable just like a microwave oven. It also sounds like a foreign design. I think a call to the FCC is in order.

Fred, AE6QL


-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2014 8:06 PM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HF noise.....10 M
>
>These "weeblies" are all over the 10 meter band  here in northern Calif
>Monday through Saturday; gone on Sunday.   Best I can find is that they are
>radiated emissions from HF ultrasonic welders (used to seal plastic
>packaging, emboss car mats, etc.)  They sound like they are a high power
>oscillator which changes frequency during the welding operation; starting
>high and decreasing in frequency as the weld is accomplished.  Such welders
>are not supposed to operate in the ten meter band in the US, so I suspect
>they are "rogue", operating international.
>Dan
>AC6DM
>
>
>Anyone have any idea what those "weeblies" are on ten meters?   They 
>typically start high in frequency and flitter past the receiver then stop 
>abruptly.  They sound like a very unstable oscillator,
>
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 15 00:15:49 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:15:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>
	<7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543DF4F5.8010906@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,10/14/2014 2:56 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> But the question remains, if I set K3 mode to AFSK I get no power out or no Diddles. With Data A I do get power out and Diddles. Why is that ??

One possibility is that MMTTY and the radio are set to different tones. 
Another is that the radio may not be getting keyed. I use VOX, which is 
turned on and off by mode. So if you're using it, check to see that the 
rig is set for VOX in AFSK-A mode. Also check VOX levels.

Another possibility is that your computer sound card has been set to the 
wrong L/R channel. Check the playback mixer for the SignalLink. Also 
check that the RTTY program is using the SignalLink.

The fundamental differences between AFSK-A and DATA-A are that AFSK-A 
uses MMTTY as a single frequency decoder, works LSB, and the dial 
frequency is the Mark frequency. DATA-A uses USB, and uses software with 
multiple decode capability, and the digital modulation can be moved 
anywhere in the passband to the frequency of the signal you've chosen to 
work.  AFSK-A is RTTY ONLY, DATA-A can be used with ANY digital modes.

73, Jim K9YC

From wes at triconet.org  Wed Oct 15 01:16:04 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <543D4EA1.5080101@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca><543D1465.2000602@triconet.org>
	<543D4EA1.5080101@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <543E0314.2010903@triconet.org>

It is an ".ini" file... userpara.ini :-)

On 10/14/2014 9:26 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Tue,10/14/2014 5:17 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> I like to use lower tones (915) because I listen to the incoming signal and 
>> the high tone drives me nuts. MMTTY defaults to 2125. If you use profiles 
>> then it's best to edit the .ini file directly and set these. 
>
> I do the same, and for the same reason. But it's not only the .ini file that 
> must be edited -- there's another file that defines the various decoder 
> settings that can be selected from a pull-down menu or cycled through. I don't 
> recall the name of that file, but like the .ini file, it's plain text and in 
> the same directory. There are about ten instances of the setting that must be 
> changed.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 15 01:25:15 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <543E0314.2010903@triconet.org>
References: <0NDE004RVOAD7210@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca><543D1465.2000602@triconet.org>	<543D4EA1.5080101@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<543E0314.2010903@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <543E053B.10508@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,10/14/2014 10:16 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> It is an ".ini" file... userpara.ini :-) 

That sounds familiar. Thanks, Wes.

73, Jim

From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct 15 04:29:56 2014
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:29:56 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>	<eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk><543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>	<ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
Message-ID: <543E3084.3020109@xs4all.nl>

Alan,
Lots of anwers have been given.

One more: Usually those electrets have 3,5 mm connectors. Use the back 
panel as an entrance for the mic. No need for a front panel microphone plug.
Actually, I never used one with my K3.  I have had several mics 
connected to it, all with a 3,5mm connector. The K3 will accomodate 
electrets and dynamic mics.
The Elecraft K3 is a very flexible machine, and most things are very 
well thought of. This is one of them.

73
Arie PA3A

G4GNX schreef op 14-10-2014 18:34:
> Hi all.
>
> <snip>
>
> I presume that I will have to order a front panel microphone plug from 
> Elecraft, in order to use one of my electret microphones?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
> <snip>


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 05:03:50 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:03:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <543E3084.3020109@xs4all.nl>
References: <543C1EC5.507@nc.rr.com>	<eFqxYcCPgSPUFww$@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk><543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>	<ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<4000B11523504E1AB3E6405497FCA2D3@Paramount>
	<543E3084.3020109@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <38E0E6A9ABDD4E34A94673AA6CB66A0B@Paramount>

Thanks for that information Arie. Very helpful. I will hold off ordering a 
front panel plug until such time as I know that I really need one! :-)

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:29 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ; G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3

Alan,
Lots of anwers have been given.

One more: Usually those electrets have 3,5 mm connectors. Use the back
panel as an entrance for the mic. No need for a front panel microphone plug.
Actually, I never used one with my K3.  I have had several mics
connected to it, all with a 3,5mm connector. The K3 will accomodate
electrets and dynamic mics.
The Elecraft K3 is a very flexible machine, and most things are very
well thought of. This is one of them.

73
Arie PA3A

G4GNX schreef op 14-10-2014 18:34:
> Hi all.
>
> <snip>
>
> I presume that I will have to order a front panel microphone plug from 
> Elecraft, in order to use one of my electret microphones?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
> <snip> 


From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 15 09:29:57 2014
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:29:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <5962F3563B924AE292F4D7452D8D1EDD@Paramount>
References: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
	<5962F3563B924AE292F4D7452D8D1EDD@Paramount>
Message-ID: <543E76D5.4020906@nc.rr.com>

Hi Alan,

Your analysis applies to the particular unit you analyzed.

In the limit of perfect insulation, the conclusion will not be true. 
The water cannot get cold when the heaters are turned off.  Thus zero 
energy required to restore the temperature.

Clearly, the insulation of the "well insulated" water heater examined 
was not perfect.

The relevant question becomes: How close to perfect insulation is the 
OCXO under discussion.  It probably isn't even close.  The case 
temperature gets hot rather quickly.  So your conclusion may apply.

73 de Brian/K3KO

P.S. This topic brings to mind an analysis of piping insulation on a 
cylindrical pipe done way back in college. Up to a point, adding more 
insulation helps.  Beyond that point, adding insulation hurts.  The 
surface area increase overwhelms the added insulation benefit.

On 10/15/2014 00:29, G4GNX wrote:
> Some years back, I was asked to do a study on the current consumption of
> a particular style of beverage vending machine. The device had a water
> tank which was well insulated and the water was heated by a 3KW heater,
> to just below boiling point. The client wanted to know whether there
> would be a saving in consumed energy, if the heater was switched off
> overnight. Careful study re4vealed that it actually cost more to heat
> the water from cold than leave the heater connected permanently,
> controlled by its thermostat.
>
> There have been numerous papers published to this effect regarding well
> insulated domestic heating systems and although there is sometimes a
> benefit in reducing the overall temperature when the building is
> unoccupied, heating from cold as opposed to leaving the heating running
> under thermostatic control, costs more, even over a short period.
>
> The oven used by a stable crystal oscillator is a thermostatically
> controlled heating device. Nuff sed! :-)
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Edward R Cole
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:47 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
>
> David,
>
> 10w is 7.3 kwH/month.  I would doubt that is a large expense, even in
> GB.  Locally, its about 8 cents/kwH but in the bush it might be as
> high as a couple dollars since diesel fuel for the generators costs
> are huge (local diesel is $4.10).  I know it would require conversion
> to liters and all that to come up with equivalent costs, but most
> households run hundreds of kwh/mo.  Leave your TV plugged in but
> turned off and it still consumes about 50w.  I have plug strip to
> remove ac from all my home TV systems when not in use.  I leave power
> to the satellite receiver as it keeps the LNB powered and stable
> (Otherwise it takes 5-10 minutes to acquire signal and download data
> at startup).
>
> Simple solution is to leave the reference oscillator running
> continually.  The K3 TCXO-3 will still drift on power up but this is
> compensated by EXREF every 4-seconds so frequency stability is held
> to better than 0.1 ppm.  I measured +/- 2 Hz at 28-MHz on my K3.  But
> if you watch the REF*CAL frequency you will note it incrementing from
> 49.380.000 to something like 49.380.080 in several minutes and then
> settle down near that value (indicating start-up drift has stopped).
>
> By not running your reference full time you will have to wait 15 to
> 30 minutes for it to fully warm up.  I also have a rubidium but run
> it only for precise frequency calibration of the OCXO couple times
> per year.  My mw counter internal TCXO is always in agreement with
> the Rb so I do not bother for routine frequency checks.  The rb is
> only +/- 5 E-11 so not as good as GPS but good enough for my use.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> -------------
> From: David G4DMP <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
> Message-ID: <ulj9AOEp0TPUFwk3 at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
>
> About 10W for the MV89A double oven CXO, when run from a linear 12V
> power supply. NOT trivial at today's prices for electricity in Great
> Britain.
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Oct 15 09:37:58 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <543E3084.3020109@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-6956DB37CABD42B782A11FC591E657B1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I use the back panel for the CM500 microphone. The Elecraft mic 
is still attached to the front connector. I use it as the 
push-to-talk switch. Crude, but it works. Someday I will 
probably build/buy a foot switch.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/15/14 at 1:29 AM, pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) wrote:

>One more: Usually those electrets have 3,5 mm connectors. Use 
>the back panel as an entrance for the mic. No need for a front 
>panel microphone plug.
>Actually, I never used one with my K3.  I have had several mics 
>connected to it, all with a 3,5mm connector. The K3 will 
>accomodate electrets and dynamic mics.
>The Elecraft K3 is a very flexible machine, and most things are 
>very well thought of. This is one of them.
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From ab7r at cablespeed.com  Wed Oct 15 10:03:47 2014
From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:03:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAPE+iesqLbbJxrZW+fndGwLSBHvk0RUXXBymzhaddPh8=VC=eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>
	<7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<543DF4F5.8010906@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAPE+iesqLbbJxrZW+fndGwLSBHvk0RUXXBymzhaddPh8=VC=eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPE+iesoUOVUk4PDnrpA8FR26wVsr8Ahde4DVuYk4Nnd9YWpxg@mail.gmail.com>

> Another thing to check:
>
> In your sound devices find the signalink USB codecs and open the playback
> mixer.  The slider needs to be at 100....all the way to the top.
>
> Also, there are jumpers in the SL.  One is for low output or high output.
> Make sure the jumpers are set to the high positions.
>
> 73
> Greg
> AB7R
>



>
>

From al5m at rocketmail.com  Wed Oct 15 10:08:28 2014
From: al5m at rocketmail.com (David Rutledge)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Posted Photos of new Vertical Antenna
In-Reply-To: <543DBF67.1020900@wilcoxengineering.com>
Message-ID: <1413382108.23701.YahooMailIosMobile@web141201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I installed the same antenna last March in my backyard & use it 90% of the time with my KX3/KXPA (I also have an inverted V). Exceptional results especially on DX with the WARC bands. I contacted VK9DLX on Lord Howe island last night on 10 meters never thinking I would get through the pileup. I was pleasantly surprised. <br/><br/>David Rutledge<br/>AL5M<a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a>

From phystad at mac.com  Wed Oct 15 10:19:57 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:19:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
Message-ID: <D4DA9DCC-3FBB-4527-A066-EB8D1CC549F2@mac.com>

When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple iPhone earbuds over other headsets.  I have no measure of whether these are better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big and bulky) -- but they work fine for me so far.  And, in portable ops, I have been 100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.

But...

If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is there a way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone earbuds?".

In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this would work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on my iPhone but I don't expect that.  Has anyone done this?  Has anyone adapted this mic for use on the KX3?  I don't even know the mic technology (electret, dynamic, etc.).

73, phil, K7PEH

From lists at subich.com  Wed Oct 15 10:34:27 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:34:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAPE+iesoUOVUk4PDnrpA8FR26wVsr8Ahde4DVuYk4Nnd9YWpxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>	<7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>	<543DF4F5.8010906@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<CAPE+iesqLbbJxrZW+fndGwLSBHvk0RUXXBymzhaddPh8=VC=eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPE+iesoUOVUk4PDnrpA8FR26wVsr8Ahde4DVuYk4Nnd9YWpxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543E85F3.5050409@subich.com>


Be very careful ... Signalink USB lacks sufficient bypassing on
the internal 5V distribution, lacks regulation on the CODEC and
op-amp V/2 reference, and lacks sufficient filtering on the USB
power line.

Most sound card show increased distortion with Playback gain above
80%.  Cranking the audio gain to 100% in the playback mixer can
cause it to become *VERY DIRTY* if power supply and regulation is
not properly addressed.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-15 10:03 AM, Greg wrote:
>> Another thing to check:
>>
>> In your sound devices find the signalink USB codecs and open the playback
>> mixer.  The slider needs to be at 100....all the way to the top.
>>
>> Also, there are jumpers in the SL.  One is for low output or high output.
>> Make sure the jumpers are set to the high positions.
>>
>> 73
>> Greg
>> AB7R
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct 15 10:37:10 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:37:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
	changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
In-Reply-To: <F7C97DFD-89EB-498F-96AC-2FF4514C1DC3@gmail.com>
References: <99CE3E48-2EC9-4B4E-B381-36DE7A1B3E42@elecraft.com>
	<m1l5fm+1lomlat@YahooGroups.com>
	<33D952A9-D670-47CD-8EF9-E9F9482722CA@gmail.com>
	<AF0F6D28-D4C1-4965-998B-679BF71F844B@aol.com>
	<F7C97DFD-89EB-498F-96AC-2FF4514C1DC3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0445F3D-9490-426C-93FF-B173F22C889E@elecraft.com>

For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it.

Wayne
N6KR


From w8fgu at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 10:41:24 2014
From: w8fgu at comcast.net (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:41:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <D4DA9DCC-3FBB-4527-A066-EB8D1CC549F2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <em5918cf10-3c90-4f15-abb7-e036459a5974@dvw-t100>

  Hi Phil,

I can't speak to the quality of the mic on those earbuds, but there are 
a number of splitter cables out there that will split the mic and 
speaker signals form the TRRS jack on you earbud cable to the mic and 
speaker connections on your KX3.

I use one I ordered from Amazon to do just that when using my ASUS 
T100TA tablet for digital modes with my KX3. Sorry I don't currently 
have a link, but there are a number of them out there with various 
prices and quality.

HTH

73,
Dave W8FGU




On 10/15/2014 10:19:57 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

>When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple iPhone 
>earbuds over other headsets. I have no measure of whether these are 
>better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big and bulky) 
>-- but they work fine for me so far. And, in portable ops, I have been 
>100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.
>
>But...
>
>If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is there a 
>way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone earbuds?".
>
>In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this would 
>work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on my iPhone 
>but I don't expect that. Has anyone done this? Has anyone adapted this 
>mic for use on the KX3? I don't even know the mic technology (electret, 
>dynamic, etc.).
>
>73, phil, K7PEH
>______________________________________________________________
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From ab7r at cablespeed.com  Wed Oct 15 10:46:33 2014
From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:46:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <543E85F3.5050409@subich.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>
	<7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<543DF4F5.8010906@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAPE+iesqLbbJxrZW+fndGwLSBHvk0RUXXBymzhaddPh8=VC=eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPE+iesoUOVUk4PDnrpA8FR26wVsr8Ahde4DVuYk4Nnd9YWpxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<543E85F3.5050409@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CAPE+ies1isMfsiBRnO40n6gx+Bw+8rjRbGo=B6mysV1XyemRHw@mail.gmail.com>

Understood...thanks.

I had a similar problem when I first got a SL USB.  The manufacturer said
the slider must be at max and then use the front panel pot and radio line
in control to manage the desired audio level.  When I did that I was able
to get the desired output.  I did not mean to crank all the controls to
max....that indeed would be a mess.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> Be very careful ... Signalink USB lacks sufficient bypassing on
> the internal 5V distribution, lacks regulation on the CODEC and
> op-amp V/2 reference, and lacks sufficient filtering on the USB
> power line.
>
> Most sound card show increased distortion with Playback gain above
> 80%.  Cranking the audio gain to 100% in the playback mixer can
> cause it to become *VERY DIRTY* if power supply and regulation is
> not properly addressed.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 2014-10-15 10:03 AM, Greg wrote:
>
>>  Another thing to check:
>>>
>>> In your sound devices find the signalink USB codecs and open the playback
>>> mixer.  The slider needs to be at 100....all the way to the top.
>>>
>>> Also, there are jumpers in the SL.  One is for low output or high output.
>>> Make sure the jumpers are set to the high positions.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Greg
>>> AB7R
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From phystad at mac.com  Wed Oct 15 10:47:23 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:47:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <em5918cf10-3c90-4f15-abb7-e036459a5974@dvw-t100>
References: <em5918cf10-3c90-4f15-abb7-e036459a5974@dvw-t100>
Message-ID: <B069E133-B5A6-4912-AF75-BA3E793FE90C@mac.com>

Dave,

Thanks.  Just when your message popped in I was actually looking for splitters.  Found a Griffin MicConnect interface but that is not what I want.  From what I have learned so far, the mic technology assumed by the iPhone is passive Dynamic mic.  No Bias is supplied by the iPhone (probably would have been my guess anyway).

73, phil, K7PEH


On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Phil,
> 
> I can't speak to the quality of the mic on those earbuds, but there are a number of splitter cables out there that will split the mic and speaker signals form the TRRS jack on you earbud cable to the mic and speaker connections on your KX3.
> 
> I use one I ordered from Amazon to do just that when using my ASUS T100TA tablet for digital modes with my KX3. Sorry I don't currently have a link, but there are a number of them out there with various prices and quality.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 73,
> Dave W8FGU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/15/2014 10:19:57 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple iPhone earbuds over other headsets. I have no measure of whether these are better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big and bulky) -- but they work fine for me so far. And, in portable ops, I have been 100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.
>> 
>> But...
>> 
>> If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is there a way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone earbuds?".
>> 
>> In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this would work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on my iPhone but I don't expect that. Has anyone done this? Has anyone adapted this mic for use on the KX3? I don't even know the mic technology (electret, dynamic, etc.).
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 10:49:53 2014
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:49:53 +0600
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
	changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
References: <99CE3E48-2EC9-4B4E-B381-36DE7A1B3E42@elecraft.com><m1l5fm+1lomlat@YahooGroups.com><33D952A9-D670-47CD-8EF9-E9F9482722CA@gmail.com><AF0F6D28-D4C1-4965-998B-679BF71F844B@aol.com><F7C97DFD-89EB-498F-96AC-2FF4514C1DC3@gmail.com>
	<A0445F3D-9490-426C-93FF-B173F22C889E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <582A0340692A4590AABC6C0E471B9F78@cdcmobile>

Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope 
that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)

73, Igor UA9CDC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;changes 
related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini


> For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll 
> probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering 
> to test it.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From w8fgu at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 10:59:23 2014
From: w8fgu at comcast.net (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:59:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <B069E133-B5A6-4912-AF75-BA3E793FE90C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <embc0d5290-8db1-4c51-a63a-1fe07eda2c69@dvw-t100>

I would think you are right also.

I apologize for the lack of correct terminology. I was in the middle of 
my first cup of coffee ;-)

I meant the "plug" on your earbuds - not jack. I have the version that 
splits the jack signals on my tablet. You would need the opposite 
version I use. I bought a couple for spares - they were only a few bucks 
if I remember correctly. I'm sure it will work fine and sounds like a 
nice compact setup.

Take care & 73,
Dave W8FGU



On 10/15/2014 10:47:23 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

>Dave,
>
>Thanks. Just when your message popped in I was actually looking for 
>splitters. Found a Griffin MicConnect interface but that is not what I 
>want. From what I have learned so far, the mic technology assumed by 
>the iPhone is passive Dynamic mic. No Bias is supplied by the iPhone 
>(probably would have been my guess anyway).
>
>73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> 
>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Phil,
>>
>>  I can't speak to the quality of the mic on those earbuds, but there 
>>are a number of splitter cables out there that will split the mic and 
>>speaker signals form the TRRS jack on you earbud cable to the mic and 
>>speaker connections on your KX3.
>>
>>  I use one I ordered from Amazon to do just that when using my ASUS 
>>T100TA tablet for digital modes with my KX3. Sorry I don't currently 
>>have a link, but there are a number of them out there with various 
>>prices and quality.
>>
>>  HTH
>>
>>  73,
>>  Dave W8FGU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 10/15/2014 10:19:57 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple 
>>>iPhone earbuds over other headsets. I have no measure of whether 
>>>these are better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big 
>>>and bulky) -- but they work fine for me so far. And, in portable ops, 
>>>I have been 100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.
>>>
>>>  But...
>>>
>>>  If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is 
>>>there a way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone 
>>>earbuds?".
>>>
>>>  In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this 
>>>would work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on 
>>>my iPhone but I don't expect that. Has anyone done this? Has anyone 
>>>adapted this mic for use on the KX3? I don't even know the mic 
>>>technology (electret, dynamic, etc.).
>>>
>>>  73, phil, K7PEH
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From lists at subich.com  Wed Oct 15 11:03:28 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/MMTTY/Signalink Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAPE+ies1isMfsiBRnO40n6gx+Bw+8rjRbGo=B6mysV1XyemRHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543D981B.1090902@embarqmail.com>	<7917174.96767.1413323794921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10670.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>	<543DF4F5.8010906@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<CAPE+iesqLbbJxrZW+fndGwLSBHvk0RUXXBymzhaddPh8=VC=eg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAPE+iesoUOVUk4PDnrpA8FR26wVsr8Ahde4DVuYk4Nnd9YWpxg@mail.gmail.com>	<543E85F3.5050409@subich.com>
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> The manufacturer said the slider must be at max and then use the
> front panel pot and radio line in control to manage the desired audio
> level.

The problem is that when the Windows slider is at max the USB CODEC is
running rail to rail on its output.  With the improper filtering and
lack of regulation for the V/2 reference the output tones *are clipped*
and that causes distortion no matter where one runs the front panel
controls on the device or the mic gain on the K3.

This is another design fault of the device, the gain of its internal
VOX/PTT should have been increased to operate at lower levels from
the CODEC.  With the K3, one is better served to use a lower output
from the CODEC and higher mic gain/VOX gain in the K3 and not rely
on the internal VOX/PTT of the device - transmit audio quality will
be up to 3 dB better.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-15 10:46 AM, Greg wrote:
> Understood...thanks.
>
> I had a similar problem when I first got a SL USB.  The manufacturer said
> the slider must be at max and then use the front panel pot and radio line
> in control to manage the desired audio level.  When I did that I was able
> to get the desired output.  I did not mean to crank all the controls to
> max....that indeed would be a mess.
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Be very careful ... Signalink USB lacks sufficient bypassing on
>> the internal 5V distribution, lacks regulation on the CODEC and
>> op-amp V/2 reference, and lacks sufficient filtering on the USB
>> power line.
>>
>> Most sound card show increased distortion with Playback gain above
>> 80%.  Cranking the audio gain to 100% in the playback mixer can
>> cause it to become *VERY DIRTY* if power supply and regulation is
>> not properly addressed.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-15 10:03 AM, Greg wrote:
>>
>>>   Another thing to check:
>>>>
>>>> In your sound devices find the signalink USB codecs and open the playback
>>>> mixer.  The slider needs to be at 100....all the way to the top.
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are jumpers in the SL.  One is for low output or high output.
>>>> Make sure the jumpers are set to the high positions.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Greg
>>>> AB7R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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From phystad at mac.com  Wed Oct 15 11:30:01 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:30:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <embc0d5290-8db1-4c51-a63a-1fe07eda2c69@dvw-t100>
References: <embc0d5290-8db1-4c51-a63a-1fe07eda2c69@dvw-t100>
Message-ID: <48D8CF2A-E948-4ED6-ABB1-C0A6FC962CFE@mac.com>

The only kinds of splitters I have found are actually combiners:  separate mic and headphones connections to plug into an iPhone.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:

> I would think you are right also.
> 
> I apologize for the lack of correct terminology. I was in the middle of my first cup of coffee ;-)
> 
> I meant the "plug" on your earbuds - not jack. I have the version that splits the jack signals on my tablet. You would need the opposite version I use. I bought a couple for spares - they were only a few bucks if I remember correctly. I'm sure it will work fine and sounds like a nice compact setup.
> 
> Take care & 73,
> Dave W8FGU
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/15/2014 10:47:23 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dave,
>> 
>> Thanks. Just when your message popped in I was actually looking for splitters. Found a Griffin MicConnect interface but that is not what I want. From what I have learned so far, the mic technology assumed by the iPhone is passive Dynamic mic. No Bias is supplied by the iPhone (probably would have been my guess anyway).
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Phil,
>>> 
>>> I can't speak to the quality of the mic on those earbuds, but there are a number of splitter cables out there that will split the mic and speaker signals form the TRRS jack on you earbud cable to the mic and speaker connections on your KX3.
>>> 
>>> I use one I ordered from Amazon to do just that when using my ASUS T100TA tablet for digital modes with my KX3. Sorry I don't currently have a link, but there are a number of them out there with various prices and quality.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave W8FGU
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/15/2014 10:19:57 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple iPhone earbuds over other headsets. I have no measure of whether these are better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big and bulky) -- but they work fine for me so far. And, in portable ops, I have been 100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.
>>>> 
>>>> But...
>>>> 
>>>> If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is there a way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone earbuds?".
>>>> 
>>>> In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this would work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on my iPhone but I don't expect that. Has anyone done this? Has anyone adapted this mic for use on the KX3? I don't even know the mic technology (electret, dynamic, etc.).
>>>> 
>>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> 
> 


From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct 15 11:45:20 2014
From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Purchasing K3
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-6956DB37CABD42B782A11FC591E657B1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-6956DB37CABD42B782A11FC591E657B1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <543E9690.2020101@embarqmail.com>

(Someday I will probably build/buy a foot switch. )

A suggestion:   I use a straight key for a PTT switch.
I attached a short cable with a connector to it so that I can easily 
change cables and press the key into service for CW.

Dick, n0ce


On 10/15/2014 8:37 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I use the back panel for the CM500 microphone. The Elecraft mic is 
> still attached to the front connector. I use it as the push-to-talk 
> switch. Crude, but it works. Someday I will probably build/buy a foot 
> switch.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 15 12:15:58 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:15:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
References: <543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <918008446.153993.1413389758834.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Typically (from my understanding) you leave the TCXO and GPSDO running all the timeI believe the the Rubidium standards have a lamp that wears out in time so some turnthem off to conserve the life of the lamp.
I leave the Oven in my Counter on all the time to keep it stable.
I just purchased a GPSDO and plan to leave it on all the time.


As for the expense....to me the expense is minimal.





      From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
   
Why not just leave the frequency reference switched on.? OK with a TCXO, 
not so good with a Rubidium standard.? Power consumption must be trivial 
compared with the normal domestic base load.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 14/10/2014 10:41, David G4DMP wrote:
> I have not seen any replies to this, Brian.
>
> As I see it, the only way out is to go into REF CAL from the Config menu
> and then press 2 to disable XREF until the frequency standard has
> locked.
>
> Like you, I have found that if XREF is enabled when the K3 is switched
> on, the K3 drifts unacceptably for 15 minutes until the frequency
> standard has settled down.
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
>
> In a recent message, Brian <alsopb at nc.rr.com> writes
>> I was wondering if there is any kind of "sensibility" check done on the
>> input reference?
>>
>> For example, I've been fooling around with a double oven controlled XO.
>>
>> Starting from cold it is > 200Hz off.? It takes ten minutes or so to be
>> within 10 Hz. It gets into the tenths of Hz accuracy region in another
>> 10 minutes.
>>
>> Clearly one would not want the K3EXREF to lock to this oscillator
>> during the first 10 minutes or so.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Oct 15 12:29:42 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:29:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <201410151629.s9FGTgmT030246@denali.acsalaska.net>

Lynn,

That was a guess and probably way too high.  I have 3-year old 
46-inch LED flat-screen.  But also a home theater receiver rated to 
125w audio and two DVD drives, a VCR and satellite receiver.  So all 
the remote control power supplies do add up - to what? I do not know 
- haven't measured the total load.

But since the TV is on from 5pm-10pm and off the rest of the day it 
seems there would be some savings by disconnecting the ac power.  We 
have a six outlet strip which makes that simple.  It does reduce fire hazard.

On the other hand I keep my Astron station 12v supply on full time 
which supplies the OCXO, so I do not have any delay waiting for it to 
stabilize.  I have my ham gear on more frequently than the TV.

We make a pot of coffee (fresh ground) in the morning and turn-off 
the maker after it finishes.  Coffee pot draws quite big load keeping 
water and coffee pot hot.  And that only ruins the coffee.  We just 
reheat a cup in the microwave when we want hot coffee.  Do we save 
any power this way??  But the coffee tastes better :-)

73, Ed

-----------
From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <543D9E2C.9000306 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 10/14/2014 2:47 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 > Leave your TV plugged in but turned off and it still consumes about 50w.
You need to buy a new TV.  The new ones are under a half-watt when
plugged in but turned off.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 15 12:40:08 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Wiehe via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 picking up "noise" from monitor
Message-ID: <741776566.155558.1413391208130.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This maybe a bit off topic but I recently discover, by accident, that my K3 been picking up noise from my computer monitor which can be seen on the P3-VGA as a 1-2 S unit uptick in background noise on 40 - 80 meters. Turn the monitor off and it drops. The monitor is a Samsung unit and is the only one of the three I have that cause the "inference." Has anyone else experienced this problem??I have tried all the 'usual' fixes, chokes, re-locating coax & cords, etc, and nothing seems to help. Even if the monitor is not connected in anyway to the radio, ie; used with a different computer in the shack, it still causes interference. On thing to note is that this monitor uses a laptop type power supply while my other two monitors run off regular 120v. Not sure if that makes an difference as I use a laptop ?and it works with causing no such interference problems.?I would appreciate any additional ideas to try and solve the problem. ??To save bandwidth here, please respond off line. (w0bbi at arrl.net)?Thanks all in advance,Bill - W0BBI?

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct 15 12:41:33 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:41:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
	changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
In-Reply-To: <582A0340692A4590AABC6C0E471B9F78@cdcmobile>
References: <99CE3E48-2EC9-4B4E-B381-36DE7A1B3E42@elecraft.com><m1l5fm+1lomlat@YahooGroups.com><33D952A9-D670-47CD-8EF9-E9F9482722CA@gmail.com><AF0F6D28-D4C1-4965-998B-679BF71F844B@aol.com><F7C97DFD-89EB-498F-96AC-2FF4514C1DC3@gmail.com>
	<A0445F3D-9490-426C-93FF-B173F22C889E@elecraft.com>
	<582A0340692A4590AABC6C0E471B9F78@cdcmobile>
Message-ID: <1B65E76B-9DAC-4E00-AB46-443E6A1E97EA@elecraft.com>

If tests of PSK63 go well with the K3, we should be able to add it to the KX3 as well.

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:49 AM, "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
> 
> 
>> For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Oct 15 12:44:16 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <48D8CF2A-E948-4ED6-ABB1-C0A6FC962CFE@mac.com>
References: <embc0d5290-8db1-4c51-a63a-1fe07eda2c69@dvw-t100>
	<48D8CF2A-E948-4ED6-ABB1-C0A6FC962CFE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41120E62-3A45-4A1E-8EDA-11ACE9C87FA4@wunderwood.org>

A few people say that 1.5-2.5V is provided for the microphone. This makes since, because they need to sense the button presses, too.

Most people are trying to put other headsets on iPhones or Macs, but the info may be useful.

http://www.zerologic.com/Blog/iPhone-Headphone-plug-pinouts.html
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/38452/electronic-aspects-of-iphone-3-5mm-audio-output
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple+EarPods+Teardown/10501

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

> The only kinds of splitters I have found are actually combiners:  separate mic and headphones connections to plug into an iPhone.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I would think you are right also.
>> 
>> I apologize for the lack of correct terminology. I was in the middle of my first cup of coffee ;-)
>> 
>> I meant the "plug" on your earbuds - not jack. I have the version that splits the jack signals on my tablet. You would need the opposite version I use. I bought a couple for spares - they were only a few bucks if I remember correctly. I'm sure it will work fine and sounds like a nice compact setup.
>> 
>> Take care & 73,
>> Dave W8FGU
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/15/2014 10:47:23 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dave,
>>> 
>>> Thanks. Just when your message popped in I was actually looking for splitters. Found a Griffin MicConnect interface but that is not what I want. From what I have learned so far, the mic technology assumed by the iPhone is passive Dynamic mic. No Bias is supplied by the iPhone (probably would have been my guess anyway).
>>> 
>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Phil,
>>>> 
>>>> I can't speak to the quality of the mic on those earbuds, but there are a number of splitter cables out there that will split the mic and speaker signals form the TRRS jack on you earbud cable to the mic and speaker connections on your KX3.
>>>> 
>>>> I use one I ordered from Amazon to do just that when using my ASUS T100TA tablet for digital modes with my KX3. Sorry I don't currently have a link, but there are a number of them out there with various prices and quality.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave W8FGU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/15/2014 10:19:57 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple iPhone earbuds over other headsets. I have no measure of whether these are better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big and bulky) -- but they work fine for me so far. And, in portable ops, I have been 100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But...
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is there a way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone earbuds?".
>>>>> 
>>>>> In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this would work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on my iPhone but I don't expect that. Has anyone done this? Has anyone adapted this mic for use on the KX3? I don't even know the mic technology (electret, dynamic, etc.).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
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From phystad at mac.com  Wed Oct 15 13:00:25 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:00:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Apple earbuds with mic on KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <41120E62-3A45-4A1E-8EDA-11ACE9C87FA4@wunderwood.org>
References: <embc0d5290-8db1-4c51-a63a-1fe07eda2c69@dvw-t100>
	<48D8CF2A-E948-4ED6-ABB1-C0A6FC962CFE@mac.com>
	<41120E62-3A45-4A1E-8EDA-11ACE9C87FA4@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <57E8ED7B-ADC4-4E3A-BF8D-A337F83F3320@mac.com>

Thank you.  I wonder how I messed up when I searched on Stack Exchange.  Did a lot of searching this morning so probably likely to miss a lot of stuff.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:

> A few people say that 1.5-2.5V is provided for the microphone. This makes since, because they need to sense the button presses, too.
> 
> Most people are trying to put other headsets on iPhones or Macs, but the info may be useful.
> 
> http://www.zerologic.com/Blog/iPhone-Headphone-plug-pinouts.html
> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/38452/electronic-aspects-of-iphone-3-5mm-audio-output
> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple+EarPods+Teardown/10501
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
> 
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> The only kinds of splitters I have found are actually combiners:  separate mic and headphones connections to plug into an iPhone.
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would think you are right also.
>>> 
>>> I apologize for the lack of correct terminology. I was in the middle of my first cup of coffee ;-)
>>> 
>>> I meant the "plug" on your earbuds - not jack. I have the version that splits the jack signals on my tablet. You would need the opposite version I use. I bought a couple for spares - they were only a few bucks if I remember correctly. I'm sure it will work fine and sounds like a nice compact setup.
>>> 
>>> Take care & 73,
>>> Dave W8FGU
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/15/2014 10:47:23 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dave,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks. Just when your message popped in I was actually looking for splitters. Found a Griffin MicConnect interface but that is not what I want. From what I have learned so far, the mic technology assumed by the iPhone is passive Dynamic mic. No Bias is supplied by the iPhone (probably would have been my guess anyway).
>>>> 
>>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen <w8fgu at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Phil,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't speak to the quality of the mic on those earbuds, but there are a number of splitter cables out there that will split the mic and speaker signals form the TRRS jack on you earbud cable to the mic and speaker connections on your KX3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use one I ordered from Amazon to do just that when using my ASUS T100TA tablet for digital modes with my KX3. Sorry I don't currently have a link, but there are a number of them out there with various prices and quality.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave W8FGU
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/15/2014 10:19:57 AM, "Phil Hystad" <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I operate portable with my KX3 I am often favoring my Apple iPhone earbuds over other headsets. I have no measure of whether these are better or worse then others (I also own CM500 but it is big and bulky) -- but they work fine for me so far. And, in portable ops, I have been 100 percent CW so voice quality has not been an issue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I wanted to switch to SSB for some reason I am thinking: "Is there a way to use the mic that is integrated with these iPhone earbuds?".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In a perfect world where there is no resistance nor taxes, this would work without any special plugs or jacks just like it works on my iPhone but I don't expect that. Has anyone done this? Has anyone adapted this mic for use on the KX3? I don't even know the mic technology (electret, dynamic, etc.).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 15 13:25:04 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 picking up "noise" from monitor
In-Reply-To: <741776566.155558.1413391208130.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <741776566.155558.1413391208130.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543EADF0.1050305@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,10/15/2014 9:40 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote:
> This maybe a bit off topic but I recently discover, by accident, that my K3 been picking up noise from my computer monitor which can be seen on the P3-VGA as a 1-2 S unit uptick in background noise

Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf  and put common mode chokes on both cables 
connected to the monitor.  I would start with 10 turns through a 2.4-in 
o.d. #31 toroid. It may or may not fix it.

73, Jim K9YC

From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Wed Oct 15 13:44:53 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <201410151629.s9FGTgmT030246@denali.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410151629.s9FGTgmT030246@denali.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <543EB295.6000803@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Ed,

I spent a lot of time over the past few years looking at this exact 
problem.  It becomes interesting if your power company charges tiered 
rates and baseline is under a dime, while 300% and over is nearly $0.50.

The government's EnergyStar program did not initially look at standby 
power, but about a decade ago they got pretty heavily involved.  My 
half-watt standby number came from the EnergyStar web site, and is 
typical of a good-sized LED television.  Same is true of DVD players, 
video games, etc. -- they use almost no power when the only thing 
they're doing is waiting for someone to pick up a remote control.  Under 
1/2 watt is pretty typical on anything new.

At a half-watt, the electronic device is cold -- not much of a fire hazard.

The sum of all of the standby loads can be significant if you have lots 
of older stuff, or it can be pretty low.  Twenty half-watt devices 24 
hours/day is 7 kilowatt hours a month.

By the way, if you're worried about fire hazards, replace all your 
incandescent light bulbs with LED bulbs -- especially the ones in 
closets and storage spaces.

If you want to know where your power dollars go, eBay and most home 
improvement stores (Orange or Blue) have a gadget called a Kill-A-Watt.  
You can actually measure.

73 -- Lynn

P.S. when energy rates soared several years ago, I measured our (old) 
refrigerator with a Kill-A-Watt and found that the energy savings alone 
would pay for a new one in about a year.

On 10/15/2014 9:29 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Lynn,
>
> That was a guess and probably way too high.  I have 3-year old 46-inch 
> LED flat-screen.  But also a home theater receiver rated to 125w audio 
> and two DVD drives, a VCR and satellite receiver. So all the remote 
> control power supplies do add up - to what? I do not know - haven't 
> measured the total load.
>
> But since the TV is on from 5pm-10pm and off the rest of the day it 
> seems there would be some savings by disconnecting the ac power.  We 
> have a six outlet strip which makes that simple.  It does reduce fire 
> hazard.
>
> On the other hand I keep my Astron station 12v supply on full time 
> which supplies the OCXO, so I do not have any delay waiting for it to 
> stabilize.  I have my ham gear on more frequently than the TV.
>
> We make a pot of coffee (fresh ground) in the morning and turn-off the 
> maker after it finishes.  Coffee pot draws quite big load keeping 
> water and coffee pot hot.  And that only ruins the coffee.  We just 
> reheat a cup in the microwave when we want hot coffee.  Do we save any 
> power this way??  But the coffee tastes better :-)
>
> 73, Ed


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Oct 15 13:48:16 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:48:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 picking up "noise" from monitor
Message-ID: <0NDH00110YSHW960@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>

It worked in my case.

On Oct 15, 2014 1:25 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed,10/15/2014 9:40 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: 
> > This maybe a bit off topic but I recently discover, by accident, that my K3 been picking up noise from my computer monitor which can be seen on the P3-VGA as a 1-2 S unit uptick in background noise 
>
> Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf? and put common mode chokes on both cables 
> connected to the monitor.? I would start with 10 turns through a 2.4-in 
> o.d. #31 toroid. It may or may not fix it. 
>
> 73, Jim K9YC 
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:48:50 2014
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:48:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>

A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.

73

K0PP

From dpbunte at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:05:42 2014
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:05:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.

I am probably prejudiced in favor of the very heavy duty cast foot switch I
use.  In fact, almost every time I see one like it at a flea market, I buy
it, clean it up, put a new cable on it and re-sell it.  I currently have
just one left.
Pictures available (end of sales pitch).

Dave - K9FN

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Oct 15 14:18:58 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543EBA92.2020007@foothill.net>

A J-38 mounted to a piece of plywood will work very well, used it for 
years.  Finally made a larger "knob" out of plastic to make finding it 
with my foot under the desk easier.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 10/15/2014 11:05 AM, David Bunte wrote:
> Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
> get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
> cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.



From Mark at stennett.com  Wed Oct 15 14:20:35 2014
From: Mark at stennett.com (Mark Stennett)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:20:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WC20141015182035.50023D@stennett.com>

I modified a Boss FS-5U foot switch for this purpose. It has served me well 
for years.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
To: Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:05:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches


Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.

I am probably prejudiced in favor of the very heavy duty cast foot switch I
use.  In fact, almost every time I see one like it at a flea market, I buy
it, clean it up, put a new cable on it and re-sell it.  I currently have
just one left.
Pictures available (end of sales pitch).

Dave - K9FN

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com 
[mailto:kengkopp%40gmail.com]> wrote:

> A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:24:40 2014
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:24:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] More OT: Foot swtches
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOuspjqrFuYS3-EBLZwnXpt1ZWHQ+SYAqgyvsFxTrYPyQ@mail.gmail.com>

I stick mine to the floor with double-sided tape so it's always where I
expect it to be .... (:-)

73 - K0PP
On Oct 15, 2014 12:20 PM, "Mark Stennett" <Mark at stennett.com> wrote:

> I modified a Boss FS-5U foot switch for this purpose. It has served me
> well for years.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
> To: Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:05:42 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
>
> Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
> get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
> cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.
>
> I am probably prejudiced in favor of the very heavy duty cast foot switch I
> use.  In fact, almost every time I see one like it at a flea market, I buy
> it, clean it up, put a new cable on it and re-sell it.  I currently have
> just one left.
> Pictures available (end of sales pitch).
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > K0PP
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 15 15:12:58 2014
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:12:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <19153840.1413400379377.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Folks let me set a few things straight. I have designed a few high stability time bases and I have done the lab work so I am confident of my facts.

First, you never want to use AC or bimetal thermostats for precision oven heaters because they are inherently noisy and ultimately unstable. Bimetal is a bang-bang controller and starts having short time stability troubles at one part in 10 minus 7. This type of controller may have a long term stability of 10 to the minus 9 (which will be advertised) but you must have short stability. After all the timebase is for a radio, not a clock so any comparison to clocks (or coffee makers) is bogus. 

Second, there is no such thing as a perfect insulator. Even a vacuum  thermal bottle type oven will use energy. When the oven is warming from turn-on lots of energy is needed; not so much for maintaining a constant temperature. This is a classic trade-off. Do you have a big heater for fast turn-on or a small heater for precision? 

Third, on a level playing field an 'always on oven' will always consume more energy than a 'on demand' system. The claim 'always on' is more efficient is bogus. Unlike a race car, there is no startup penalty caused by inefficient  acceleration. However, this may not be true of the oven power supply.

Fourth, a dedicated power supply for the heater is usually the bigger waster of energy. The dedicated power supply is another trade-off. Use a linear and waste a lot of energy. Use a switcher and generate noise. 

Fifth, California has a law that says standby devices (like that wall wort plugged into the wall but not otherwise connected) my not waste more than 3 watts of energy. This applies to TVs that are plugged in but turned on. I don't think there is any enforcement for this law so I'm sure some violate it. Nevertheless manufactures don't want to be branded as energy hogs so most big manufactures comply. Also they do not want to have California only designs so the law is applied to all designs. All states and all counties benefit. Look at cell phone chargers where the light switchers are used instead of the heavy wall wort linear supplies. You thought it was to save weight?

73
Fred, AE6QL






-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
>Sent: Oct 15, 2014 9:29 AM
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
>
>Lynn,
>
>That was a guess and probably way too high.  I have 3-year old 
>46-inch LED flat-screen.  But also a home theater receiver rated to 
>125w audio and two DVD drives, a VCR and satellite receiver.  So all 
>the remote control power supplies do add up - to what? I do not know 
>- haven't measured the total load.
>
>But since the TV is on from 5pm-10pm and off the rest of the day it 
>seems there would be some savings by disconnecting the ac power.  We 
>have a six outlet strip which makes that simple.  It does reduce fire hazard.
>
>On the other hand I keep my Astron station 12v supply on full time 
>which supplies the OCXO, so I do not have any delay waiting for it to 
>stabilize.  I have my ham gear on more frequently than the TV.
>
>We make a pot of coffee (fresh ground) in the morning and turn-off 
>the maker after it finishes.  Coffee pot draws quite big load keeping 
>water and coffee pot hot.  And that only ruins the coffee.  We just 
>reheat a cup in the microwave when we want hot coffee.  Do we save 
>any power this way??  But the coffee tastes better :-)
>
>73, Ed
>
>-----------
>From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
>Message-ID: <543D9E2C.9000306 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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>
>On 10/14/2014 2:47 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> > Leave your TV plugged in but turned off and it still consumes about 50w.
>You need to buy a new TV.  The new ones are under a half-watt when
>plugged in but turned off.
>
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
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From g at downs86.plus.com  Wed Oct 15 15:18:07 2014
From: g at downs86.plus.com (Geoffrey Downs)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:18:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410142147.s9ELllYC025901@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <16C21BE4C230487CB79C8E716BDA680B@GeoffreyPC>

Ed, you restate the problem and a simple solution but quite apart from the 
cost (which is trivial or not depending on your circumstances) we should 
all, in my view, be trying not to use energy unnecessarily in the interests 
of our grandchildren. There is also a potential fire risk with a unit that 
is running permanently.

A preferable solution would be some means for the K3 to ignore the external 
reference until it has stabilised after switch-on. This issue has so far 
deterred me from buying a K3EXREF but it's not a big issue because the K3 is 
so stable and accurate and Ref Cal needs to be checked only occasionally. In 
fact I presume that once the external standard has set the K3  through the 
EXREF the K3 stays put when the reference is switched off so you could leave 
your reference off most of the time and only put it on when you are not 
planning to use the K3 for half an hour or so and want to check the 
calibration.

73

Geoff
G3UCK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Edward R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:47 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query

David,

10w is 7.3 kwH/month.  I would doubt that is a large expense, even in
GB.  Locally, its about 8 cents/kwH but in the bush it might be as
high as a couple dollars since diesel fuel for the generators costs
are huge (local diesel is $4.10).  I know it would require conversion
to liters and all that to come up with equivalent costs, but most
households run hundreds of kwh/mo.  Leave your TV plugged in but
turned off and it still consumes about 50w.  I have plug strip to
remove ac from all my home TV systems when not in use.  I leave power
to the satellite receiver as it keeps the LNB powered and stable
(Otherwise it takes 5-10 minutes to acquire signal and download data
at startup).

Simple solution is to leave the reference oscillator running
continually.  The K3 TCXO-3 will still drift on power up but this is
compensated by EXREF every 4-seconds so frequency stability is held
to better than 0.1 ppm.  I measured +/- 2 Hz at 28-MHz on my K3.  But
if you watch the REF*CAL frequency you will note it incrementing from
49.380.000 to something like 49.380.080 in several minutes and then
settle down near that value (indicating start-up drift has stopped).

By not running your reference full time you will have to wait 15 to
30 minutes for it to fully warm up.  I also have a rubidium but run
it only for precise frequency calibration of the OCXO couple times
per year.  My mw counter internal TCXO is always in agreement with
the Rb so I do not bother for routine frequency checks.  The rb is
only +/- 5 E-11 so not as good as GPS but good enough for my use.

73, Ed - KL7UW
-------------


From K2TK at att.net  Wed Oct 15 16:53:54 2014
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:53:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
In-Reply-To: <918008446.153993.1413389758834.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <543D349B.9010004@horizon.co.fk>
	<918008446.153993.1413389758834.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <543EDEE2.8090600@att.net>

Maybe my concept is wrong but I do not see the need to leave a GPSDO on.  Once 
the GPSDO locks to the satellite it is all that is required. I have decent sky 
view and it locks up using multiple satellites quite quickly.  So before the K3 
has warmed up the GPSDO has locked and I'm locked to it.
The K3 and XCO drift in the GPSDO  are really out of the picture. Using a 
Trimble Thunderbolt here.

To me it was overkill in the 1st place. A "want to" rather than a "need to".   
Now that  I have the 10MC reference available I'd like to lock the 2 & 430 XV's 
to it.   Wayne and Eric you listening? Might be another product to consider, an 
add on kit.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 10/15/2014 12:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> Typically (from my understanding) you leave the TCXO and GPSDO running all the timeI believe the the Rubidium standards have a lamp that wears out in time so some turnthem off to conserve the life of the lamp.
> I leave the Oven in my Counter on all the time to keep it stable.
> I just purchased a GPSDO and plan to leave it on all the time.
>
>
> As for the expense....to me the expense is minimal.
>
>
>
>
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:06:10 2014
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:06:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>

There appears to be interest in external frequency standards to enhance the
already outstanding stability of the K3.

Would an Elecraft accessory that uses the clocking from the GPS system be a
viable product?  Perhaps hidden away in the P3 cabinet if there isn't
suffucient space in a "loaded" K3.

73

Ken - K0PP

From ky7k at cox.net  Wed Oct 15 15:47:00 2014
From: ky7k at cox.net (ky7k)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:47:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <3WBa1p01S45oxQM01WBbt7>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>
	<3WBa1p01S45oxQM01WBbt7>
Message-ID: <AA4F6F78-A944-4B29-A5F2-0A0A1FD62A88@cox.net>

IMHO the best foot switch for radio use is the M-gear SP-2. Takes very little effort to depress and has a switch to select NO or NC connection.
I have 4 of them and know others that I?ve recommended them too and have not heard of a single failure.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PedalPiano?adpos=1o4&creative=55644138841&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CKeNtcC1r8ECFUE0aQodAGEA7A


On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:05 AM, David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
> get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
> cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.
> 
> I am probably prejudiced in favor of the very heavy duty cast foot switch I
> use.  In fact, almost every time I see one like it at a flea market, I buy
> it, clean it up, put a new cable on it and re-sell it.  I currently have
> just one left.
> Pictures available (end of sales pitch).
> 
> Dave - K9FN
> 
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> K0PP
>> ______________________________________________________________

Steve - KY7K
ky7k at arrl.net
Get OUT and play radio!


From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 17:25:45 2014
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:25:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HZ$3PdAZZuPUFwSC@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

No, I don't think so, Ken. There are plenty of frequency standards
already available. In any case, we would not want to direct Elecraft's
attention away from developing the K4 ;-)

Your suggestion of putting it in the P3 box is not practical. You make
the assumption that everyone that has a K3 also has a P3. Not so.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> writes
>There appears to be interest in external frequency standards to enhance the
>already outstanding stability of the K3.
>
>Would an Elecraft accessory that uses the clocking from the GPS system be a
>viable product?  Perhaps hidden away in the P3 cabinet if there isn't
>suffucient space in a "loaded" K3.

-- 
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From K6RV at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 15 17:46:54 2014
From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald, K6RV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Footswitches
Message-ID: <543EEB4E.5020604@earthlink.net>

I have a "ON STAGE KSP100 Universal Sustain Pedal"  that I got from 
Amazon for $17.99 ($25.97 inc. tax and shipping).  If you are Amazon 
Prime will be $6 less.

It is very well built, comes with a 1/4" plug on the end of the 6' 
cable, and has a switch to select either NO to NC.  It works great, is 
stable, does not move around, and keys my K3 happily on its way.

73, Donald K6RV

From w7cs at theriver.com  Thu Oct 16 02:37:39 2014
From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF Query
Message-ID: <20141015233733.11DDD021@sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net>

Don't you guys have anything better to do than nit pick over a 
negligible warm up drift.  I don't think that you will be planning to 
do any ARRL Frequency Measurement Tests, within the first 10 minutes 
of your K3 turn on !

I have bought several 10 MHz DOUBLE Oven Controlled Crystal 
Oscillators, from off shore surplus dealers.  They are reselling 
surplus American or Russian built, high quality devices.   Warm up 
drift time to within < 10 cycles (Hz), has been less than 10minutes, 
usually about 5.  Some are spec'd of stabilities of 10 to -11th.

With these quality OCXOs, I have not found it necessary to use a Ruby 
or GPSD oscillators to provide at least digital communication 
required stabilities, even when used to stabilize 10 GHz xvrtr 
L.O.s.  The power savings, by using this type of device, is 
especially valuable in field operations.  I even have mounted one on 
the inside of the blank back panel of my K3/10.

For supplying other devices with your now stable 10 MHz, DEMI has 
nice four way 10 MHz signal splitters that even have LP filtering on 
each output.

W7CS


From kjell at varsla.net  Thu Oct 16 05:00:55 2014
From: kjell at varsla.net (Kjell Johan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:00:55 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Order status
Message-ID: <000001cfe91f$b2ab9140$1802b3c0$@varsla.net>

Is there a way to check the status of my order, if it is in the post or not?

 

73 de LA9GJ / Kjell


From kjell at varsla.net  Thu Oct 16 05:36:35 2014
From: kjell at varsla.net (Kjell Johan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:36:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO encoder
Message-ID: <000301cfe924$ade404d0$09ac0e70$@varsla.net>

I found some difference between the assemly manual and the YouTube video by
Tim Tucker when it comes to install the VFO encoder. He mentioned a shield
between the loadspeaker and the VFO encoder board, which is not mentioned in
the manual.

Do I have an old version of the manual (rev G5)?

 

73 de Kjell / LA9GJ


From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 07:39:11 2014
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (Brian)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:39:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>

Ken,

There is an Elecraft product called the TCXO. It is capable of 
temperature stabilization BUT Elecraft has not implemented that function.

Perhaps though should be given to implementing the temperature 
compensation capability.  My understanding is that there is some 
difficulty in doing that and maintaining low phase noise.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/15/2014 21:06, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> There appears to be interest in external frequency standards to enhance the
> already outstanding stability of the K3.
>
> Would an Elecraft accessory that uses the clocking from the GPS system be a
> viable product?  Perhaps hidden away in the P3 cabinet if there isn't
> suffucient space in a "loaded" K3.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
> ______________________________________________________________


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 08:03:33 2014
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:03:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTM=XER=zfHkCWNGSFfg=05KDiA8sw=Ke1erChkJVb5+Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

I'm aware of the TCXO ... it's the only option I don't have ... thought it
might be just a small step to synch it to a GPS receiver instead of some
form of after-market / surplus standard.

Each cellular site has a GPS receiver for clocking, but I have no idea of
the size of the unit, or if the resulting accuracy is better / worse than
one of the surplus units.

73 - Ken
 Ken,

There is an Elecraft product called the TCXO. It is capable of temperature
stabilization BUT Elecraft has not implemented that function.

Perhaps though should be given to implementing the temperature compensation
capability.  My understanding is that there is some difficulty in doing
that and maintaining low phase noise.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/15/2014 21:06, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> There appears to be interest in external frequency standards to enhance the
> already outstanding stability of the K3.
>
> Would an Elecraft accessory that uses the clocking from the GPS system be a
> viable product?  Perhaps hidden away in the P3 cabinet if there isn't
> suffucient space in a "loaded" K3.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
> ______________________________________________________________
>

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 16 08:06:17 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <543FB4B9.1080704@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

The High Stability TCXO (1 ppm) is not a separate Elecraft product - it 
is an option for the K3 offering better specs than the stock TCXO (5ppm) 
- yes, both are a TCXO.

The temperature stability was found to be far better than the 1ppm 
specification without the temperature compensation routine, so 
implementation of that K3 routine was dropped from the plan (and also 
from the manual).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/16/2014 7:39 AM, Brian wrote:
> Ken,
>
> There is an Elecraft product called the TCXO. It is capable of 
> temperature stabilization BUT Elecraft has not implemented that function.
>
> Perhaps though should be given to implementing the temperature 
> compensation capability.  My understanding is that there is some 
> difficulty in doing that and maintaining low phase noise.
>


From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 08:39:00 2014
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (Brian)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:39:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <543FB4B9.1080704@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>	<543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>
	<543FB4B9.1080704@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <543FBC64.9080705@nc.rr.com>

Don,

The issue isn't whether the TCXO is an improvement over the standard.

The issue is whether the TCXO is good enough for some of the wide range 
of uses the K3 is put.

What you are hearing here is that it isn't.  Elecraft has responded with 
the external locking option.  That option, being a discontinuous 
correction, one has some significant disadvantages to some.

My original posting on this issue was related to the locking option.  It 
only seemed reasonable to have it do a sanity check on the difference 
between the internal and reference oscillator implied correction before 
doing a correction.  Why do the correction is the external oscillator is 
warming up and 250 Hz off initially?  The K3 also drifts during warmup 
with both the standard and TCXO.  This amounts to between 20 and 50 Hz 
(@ 10 MHz) for the first 15 minutes.  Why do the correction until the K3 
has is relatively stable.  Perhaps the external locking should not be 
done for say the first 15 minutes after K3 turn on?

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 10/16/2014 12:06, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Brian,
>
> The High Stability TCXO (1 ppm) is not a separate Elecraft product - it
> is an option for the K3 offering better specs than the stock TCXO (5ppm)
> - yes, both are a TCXO.
>
> The temperature stability was found to be far better than the 1ppm
> specification without the temperature compensation routine, so
> implementation of that K3 routine was dropped from the plan (and also
> from the manual).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/16/2014 7:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> There is an Elecraft product called the TCXO. It is capable of
>> temperature stabilization BUT Elecraft has not implemented that function.
>>
>> Perhaps though should be given to implementing the temperature
>> compensation capability.  My understanding is that there is some
>> difficulty in doing that and maintaining low phase noise.
>>
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 16 09:38:19 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:38:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <543FBC64.9080705@nc.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>	<543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>	<543FB4B9.1080704@embarqmail.com>
	<543FBC64.9080705@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1413466699.1433.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I've been running with a Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO and the Elecraft TCXO for
over a year now. I'm in a position to keep the Trimble powered up continuously,
but I can certainly understand the angst of those who can't. It's a trade-off. I also
keep an old laptop running, and have Lady Heather running on it to keep an eye
on things. Do I really *need* that level of precision? Probably not, for my current
operational needs (ordinary/casual HF operations, no VHF/UHF transverters, etc.).
Bear in mind that the GPS receiver decodes the signals from the various satellites
that can be seen at any given time, and then generates an error signal to its
internal TCXO running at 10MHz, which then spits out both a 10MHz signal, which
we typically feed to the K3EXREF, and a 1 pulse per second square wave (which
I'd love to feed to a wall clock). The issue is the 100 second warm-up time for the 
Trimble's TCXO, not the GPS receiver, although the latter usually needs, like any
other GPS unit, a few moments to listen for, and synchronize, to satellite signals. 

There are a couple of system design issues inherent in this, however. First, the
Trimble requires a triple-voltage power supply: +5V, +12V, and -12V. I'm using a
cheap commodity power supply that is in itself powered from AC mains (117V/60Hz).
So, if I lose AC mains, I lose the Trimble, and have to hope that the K3 and its TCXO
will stay accurate enough while I'm operating it off of a battery. For those purposes,
a few Hz isn't going to get me kicked out of an amateur net, but if I were a MARS
member (which I'm not), it might be dicey - I'd have to do an analysis.

The third issue, which has not been touched on AFAICT, is that the Trimble (and
probably its competition) really likes to have an external antenna. In my case, I was
lucky to find the actual Trimble antenna (which includes a preamp), and it's served
me well at both of my QTHs (So. Fla. and western NC), which is a square puck
about 2 inches/5 cm on a side with a magnetic base and 25 feet of RG-174/U coax.
It works, and it was cheap on E-Bay, so I'm happy so far.

So, a potential add-on product for the K3 could involve one of the newer single-board
GPSDOs (e.g., Sematron GPS-1000 or one of its competitors), feeding the K3EXREF
board internally and using the K3EXREF's input port on the back panel of the K3
for its antenna port. However, I haven't even priced one of these units, never mind
purchased and evaluated it, much less actually attempted to install it in my rig. So,
far, it's just an idea or springboard for further discussion. Brian makes an excellent
point about the overall temperature requirements, as well as the behavior of the K3
running with its TCXO synchronized to a potentially unsuitable reference signal. These
can be tricky design issues, and I'm sure Wayne and Eric have enough other things on
their list to tackle at this point, without a digression into this quagmire.

Just my 20 millidollars' worth,

73 de N1HO

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 16 09:40:40 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:40:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <543FBC64.9080705@nc.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>	<543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com>	<543FB4B9.1080704@embarqmail.com>
	<543FBC64.9080705@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <543FCAD8.6030808@embarqmail.com>

I am hearing that you have an external reference that takes some time to 
warm up after you turn it on, and that causes the K3 to move frequency 
with the warmup drift of the external reference.

If the external reference is stable when the K3 is turned on, there is 
no need for the K3 to ignore the external reference.

If the K3 were to ignore the external reference for 15 to 20 minutes 
after the K3 is turned on, then it would have to do the same thing after 
every power cycle.  If I were using an external reference, I would not 
want the K3 to do that.  If I use an external reference, I would want 
that reference to be accurate at all times, I think the best answer is 
to power the reference continuously.

As a parallel, the high stability 10 MHz reference oscillator in my 
universal counter is powered whenever the counter is plugged in - when I 
use the front panel switch to turn the counter on, I can trust its 
accuracy without waiting for it to warm up.  If I used an external 
reference with the K3, I would want the same results.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/16/2014 8:39 AM, Brian wrote:
> Don,
>
> The issue isn't whether the TCXO is an improvement over the standard.
>
> The issue is whether the TCXO is good enough for some of the wide 
> range of uses the K3 is put.
>
> What you are hearing here is that it isn't.  Elecraft has responded 
> with the external locking option.  That option, being a discontinuous 
> correction, one has some significant disadvantages to some.
>
> My original posting on this issue was related to the locking option.  
> It only seemed reasonable to have it do a sanity check on the 
> difference between the internal and reference oscillator implied 
> correction before doing a correction.  Why do the correction is the 
> external oscillator is warming up and 250 Hz off initially?  The K3 
> also drifts during warmup with both the standard and TCXO.  This 
> amounts to between 20 and 50 Hz (@ 10 MHz) for the first 15 minutes.  
> Why do the correction until the K3 has is relatively stable.  Perhaps 
> the external locking should not be done for say the first 15 minutes 
> after K3 turn on?
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> On 10/16/2014 12:06, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Brian,
>>
>> The High Stability TCXO (1 ppm) is not a separate Elecraft product - it
>> is an option for the K3 offering better specs than the stock TCXO (5ppm)
>> - yes, both are a TCXO.
>>
>> The temperature stability was found to be far better than the 1ppm
>> specification without the temperature compensation routine, so
>> implementation of that K3 routine was dropped from the plan (and also
>> from the manual).
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/16/2014 7:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> There is an Elecraft product called the TCXO. It is capable of
>>> temperature stabilization BUT Elecraft has not implemented that 
>>> function.
>>>
>>> Perhaps though should be given to implementing the temperature
>>> compensation capability.  My understanding is that there is some
>>> difficulty in doing that and maintaining low phase noise.
>>>
>>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 16 10:24:22 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO encoder
In-Reply-To: <000301cfe924$ade404d0$09ac0e70$@varsla.net>
References: <000301cfe924$ade404d0$09ac0e70$@varsla.net>
Message-ID: <543FD516.7070106@embarqmail.com>

Kjell,

The encoder was changed and the speaker shield is no longer required.
You have the latest manual.  The YouTube video is the outdated item.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/16/2014 5:36 AM, Kjell Johan wrote:
> I found some difference between the assemly manual and the YouTube video by
> Tim Tucker when it comes to install the VFO encoder. He mentioned a shield
> between the loadspeaker and the VFO encoder board, which is not mentioned in
> the manual.
>
> Do I have an old version of the manual (rev G5)?
>
>


From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 11:03:16 2014
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
	changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
Message-ID: <6A1789FFD90B4BCB8C86D23F95C2BDC0@ejhPC>

I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking.
I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63.
Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated.  73
Thanks
Emory  WM3M

gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700

Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Oct 16 11:15:30 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:15:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
	changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
In-Reply-To: <6A1789FFD90B4BCB8C86D23F95C2BDC0@ejhPC>
References: <6A1789FFD90B4BCB8C86D23F95C2BDC0@ejhPC>
Message-ID: <4232C872-277B-4AE2-AC06-8FC129228E36@wunderwood.org>

PSK spots are here, the PSK63 ones are identified as such.

http://hamspots.net/psk/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, <ejkkjh at gmail.com> <ejkkjh at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking.
> I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63.
> Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated.  73
> Thanks
> Emory  WM3M
> 
> gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700
> 
> Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
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From rcrgs at verizon.net  Thu Oct 16 11:26:55 2014
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:26:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT tower disassemble tool
In-Reply-To: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
References: <543C89BD.3030904@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <543FE3BF.8020401@verizon.net>

Thanks for all the info. For those who expressed concern for safety and 
for myself, I initially erected the tower, and to the best of my 
knowledge did all the right things. I've been climbing it regularly for 
the whole 20 years with no mishaps. Time and season dictate that I have 
a commercial rigger take it down. This person, somewhat as a surprise, 
said he was going to lift the tower away from the house [it goes through 
a porch floor/roof and is bracketed to the roof peak] in one piece and 
lay it on the ground. Once on the ground it will be my job to pry the 
sections apart. As most noted, this will not be easy, and thus my 
interest in the "tool" or any similar method. With the tower on the 
ground, I imagine it will be somewhat unwieldy, so the "tool" may be the 
best bet. When the rigger heard about the "tool" he commented that it 
would probably be a handy thing to have on hand.

I'll be off the air for a while getting set up in the new house. A 
vertical will probably be an interim antenna until some time next year 
when I can start with a new tower installation. Any comments on prepping 
the old tower sections for a new lease on life?

Again thanks to all who replied.

...robert

On 10/14/2014 02:26, Robert G Strickland wrote:
> I have to take down a 60ft Rohn-25 tower that's been up for 20 plus
> years. I remember seeing a tool advertised in QST and CQ for just this
> purpose. It resembled a long "lever" that was dimensioned for Rohn-25
> specifically and helped to pry the sections apart. Any leads to this
> "tool" would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
> ...robert

-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Oct 16 11:32:43 2014
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:32:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS - CommRadio CR1A General Coverage Receiver
Message-ID: <em38d9a644-0581-44f7-b733-002d66c81271@hamradio-pc>

I have for sale a Comm Radio CR1A General Coverage SDR receiver that 
covers from low BC band up through the UHF bands (unfortunately minus 6 
meters).  I bought this 2 months ago for a special monitoring project 
and wound up using something different so this is on the chopping block.

See  http://www.commradio.com/  for full details on it.  Paid $599.95 
plus shipping, but will let it go here for $450 shipped.  It is in 10 of 
10 shape, non smoking environment and used only for initial testing 
here.  It can be powered from the USB control/upgrade port, 9-15 volts 
DC or an internnal Lithium Ion battery that's also charged from the 9-15 
volt or USB ports.  Radio will operate at full volume from it's internal 
speaker from almost 8 hours on the internal battery which has been 
installed in this radio.

The receiver has their latest firmware (version 1993) installed and 
upgrades when offered can be downloaded from their website listed above.

Serious inquiries only by email please, off list to keep the clutter 
down.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB


From w0fm at swbell.net  Thu Oct 16 11:56:20 2014
From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <WC20141015182035.50023D@stennett.com>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>	<CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<WC20141015182035.50023D@stennett.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cfe959$ba8ba9b0$2fa2fd10$@net>

I ultimately went to the Boss FS-5U as well.  My guitar player used the same one for years and I figured if that dude couldn't break it, it would be good enough for me.  Normally Open.  No modification.  I love mine.

Terry, W0FM


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stennett [mailto:Mark at stennett.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:21 PM
To: David Bunte; Ken G Kopp
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches

I modified a Boss FS-5U foot switch for this purpose. It has served me well for years.


From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Oct 16 13:08:52 2014
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:08:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS - CommRadio CR1A General Coverage Receiver
Message-ID: <em7ed9e0fd-9603-4c44-99fa-2e47e38c9833@hamradio-pc>

CR1A Receiver has been spoken for pending arrival of funds.

Jim - W0EB

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 13:08:37 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 04:08:37 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
In-Reply-To: <1413466699.1433.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAD4CdTODwDLe2kEu_v9inO_PpU09CJ+PBfaQ=5gDiF45=4xxBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<543FAE5F.7040408@nc.rr.com> <543FB4B9.1080704@embarqmail.com>
	<543FBC64.9080705@nc.rr.com>
	<1413466699.1433.YahooMailNeo@web162505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C0FDF11A-C779-4579-8129-CD5D2BC9D8DB@gmail.com>

With this recent discussion around frequency references, some on this reflector may be interested in this GPS-locked agile frequency reference module that will cost you less than $30 delivered:
https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/u-blox_neo-6-7

The output is programable from 1Hz up to 10MHz. You can't use it directly to drove the 10MHz reference input of the K3; if the selected output frequency doesn't divide evenly into 48MHz, then you will get some short-term jitter in the output that you would need to clean up with some sort of TXCO PLL type of arrangement. But it is great for calibrating your frequency counter (the long gating time averages out any short term jitter), and the output is rock-steady and accurate source to zero-beat your radio against if you select an output like eg. 1, 3, 4, 6 or 8MHz. Output is a square wave, so harmonics could also be used.
 
73,
Matt VK2RQ


From ns9i2016 at bayland.net  Thu Oct 16 13:12:06 2014
From: ns9i2016 at bayland.net (DGB)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;
 changes related to KAT500 & K3/0-mini
In-Reply-To: <6A1789FFD90B4BCB8C86D23F95C2BDC0@ejhPC>
References: <6A1789FFD90B4BCB8C86D23F95C2BDC0@ejhPC>
Message-ID: <543FFC66.9090708@Bayland.net>

vk9dlk on 30m psk right now


On 10/16/2014 10:03 AM, ejkkjh at gmail.com wrote:
> I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking.
> I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63.
> Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated.  73
> Thanks
> Emory  WM3M
>
> gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700
>
> Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
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From f9oj.7 at wanadoo.fr  Thu Oct 16 13:26:05 2014
From: f9oj.7 at wanadoo.fr (F9OJ)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:26:05 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Please remove from mailing list
Message-ID: <543FFFAD.2010801@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

Can you please remove     f9oj.7 at wanadoo.fr           from the elecraft 
mailing list?

My dad Jimmy died on september 26th and can no more discuss about K3.
That was his hobby.

Please send all friendfull rememberings to all elecraft members from his 
family.

Thanks a lot

Elisabeth DAILLY
His daughter
eldailly at aol.com


From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net  Thu Oct 16 13:47:50 2014
From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:47:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] More OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOuspjqrFuYS3-EBLZwnXpt1ZWHQ+SYAqgyvsFxTrYPyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOuspjqrFuYS3-EBLZwnXpt1ZWHQ+SYAqgyvsFxTrYPyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a601cfe969$4e966230$ebc32690$@STL-OnLine.Net>

I also had trouble with mine trying to escape and I did not like holding my
foot up.  

I placed mine on plywood with a cutout for the switch so it is trapped and
is lower and not on the same level as my foot.  Also stapled the non-skid
foam shelf stuff to keep my foot on the plywood.  

With it at the resulting height, my foot is on the wood and positioning
allows just the thought of keying pretty much making it happen.  

The hinge points on mine both failed and have now been properly fixed.  Like
the man said, you get what you pay for.

73, Jim KG0KP

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
Kopp
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:25 PM
To: Mark Stennett; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] More OT: Foot swtches

I stick mine to the floor with double-sided tape so it's always where I
expect it to be .... (:-)

73 - K0PP
On Oct 15, 2014 12:20 PM, "Mark Stennett" <Mark at stennett.com> wrote:

> I modified a Boss FS-5U foot switch for this purpose. It has served me 
> well for years.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
> To: Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:05:42 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
>
> Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you 
> tend to get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have 
> seen are VERY cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.
>
> I am probably prejudiced in favor of the very heavy duty cast foot 
> switch I use.  In fact, almost every time I see one like it at a flea 
> market, I buy it, clean it up, put a new cable on it and re-sell it.  
> I currently have just one left.
> Pictures available (end of sales pitch).
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > K0PP
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 16 13:55:17 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:55:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Order status
In-Reply-To: <000001cfe91f$b2ab9140$1802b3c0$@varsla.net>
References: <000001cfe91f$b2ab9140$1802b3c0$@varsla.net>
Message-ID: <54400685.3030202@elecraft.com>

We will usually email you when we are about to ship or about to charge your 
credit card.

You can also email us for shipping status at: sales3(at)elecraft.com

(Replace the (at) above with @ for the email address)

73,
Eric
elecraft.com

On 10/16/2014 2:00 AM, Kjell Johan wrote:
> Is there a way to check the status of my order, if it is in the post or not?
>
> 73 de LA9GJ / Kjell
>


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 14:18:48 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:18:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <543EBA92.2020007@foothill.net>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<543EBA92.2020007@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3eUwYO_GHU9dTy+3YKFEY4B55XU4NQ3OGRoGbTs1UMzg@mail.gmail.com>

QLF?

73, Guy

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> A J-38 mounted to a piece of plywood will work very well, used it for
> years.  Finally made a larger "knob" out of plastic to make finding it with
> my foot under the desk easier.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 10/15/2014 11:05 AM, David Bunte wrote:
>
>> Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
>> get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
>> cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.
>>
>
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct 16 19:45:40 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 23:45:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] More OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOuspjqrFuYS3-EBLZwnXpt1ZWHQ+SYAqgyvsFxTrYPyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOuspjqrFuYS3-EBLZwnXpt1ZWHQ+SYAqgyvsFxTrYPyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2143298318.150568.1413503140317.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10750.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Come on guys.? Foot switches are like shoes.? No one fits all.? I made mine.? Never looked back.? I think this thread is over due.
Mel, K6KBE
 

     On Thursday, October 16, 2014 4:09 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
   

 I stick mine to the floor with double-sided tape so it's always where I
expect it to be .... (:-)

73 - K0PP
On Oct 15, 2014 12:20 PM, "Mark Stennett" <Mark at stennett.com> wrote:

> I modified a Boss FS-5U foot switch for this purpose. It has served me
> well for years.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
> To: Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:05:42 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
>
> Do check carefully... some or N.O.? and others are N.C.? Also, you tend to
> get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
> cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.
>
> I am probably prejudiced in favor of the very heavy duty cast foot switch I
> use.? In fact, almost every time I see one like it at a flea market, I buy
> it, clean it up, put a new cable on it and re-sell it.? I currently have
> just one left.
> Pictures available (end of sales pitch).
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A sometimes forgotten source of foot switches is local music stores.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > K0PP
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Oct 16 20:27:42 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Foot swtches
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3eUwYO_GHU9dTy+3YKFEY4B55XU4NQ3OGRoGbTs1UMzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTN-w_ZKkkcyoyyJMjLnHYuNvNwJk1kaGy_hCMnkFhzgow@mail.gmail.com>	<CANCJpbQHjn8v2FK=D6Xpfso8=cR4t=MHQv2BEucNq++Q1+4CsQ@mail.gmail.com>	<543EBA92.2020007@foothill.net>
	<CANckpc3eUwYO_GHU9dTy+3YKFEY4B55XU4NQ3OGRoGbTs1UMzg@mail.gmail.com>
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I ordered one of these
  http://r.ebay.com/wUk9wa
had to fool with it a bit to limit the amount of up down swing. its 
heavy and does not move around much.     the spring is strong so just 
resting foot on it wont actuate  but not hard to push, the spring is 
easy to change for lighter or heavier one. The other option I looked at 
were Tattoo foot switches.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/16/2014 14:18, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> QLF?
>
> 73, Guy
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> A J-38 mounted to a piece of plywood will work very well, used it for
>> years.  Finally made a larger "knob" out of plastic to make finding it with
>> my foot under the desk easier.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 10/15/2014 11:05 AM, David Bunte wrote:
>>
>>> Do check carefully... some or N.O.  and others are N.C.  Also, you tend to
>>> get what you pay for... some of the lower priced ones I have seen are VERY
>>> cheaply made, and may not hold up to a full contest weekend.
>>>
>>
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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 17 09:48:13 2014
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:48:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and Cumbria Designs X-Lock
Message-ID: <E443C79B-F4B8-4F1B-9C7C-095A2ACE1277@bellsouth.net>

Howdy fellow Elecrafters.

Would like to get in contact with anyone out there who has interfaced a Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer with a K1.

			73, Joe W2KJ

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 17 10:21:51 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:21:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and Cumbria Designs X-Lock
In-Reply-To: <E443C79B-F4B8-4F1B-9C7C-095A2ACE1277@bellsouth.net>
References: <E443C79B-F4B8-4F1B-9C7C-095A2ACE1277@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <544125FF.704@embarqmail.com>

Joe,

I have not tried it, but Davbe G4AON has written a paper on his 
installation. You can see it at
http://www.cumbriadesigns.co.uk/images/X-Lock%20K1/X-Lock_K1.pdf.

It looks straightforward enough to me.  I would think you would have to 
adjust the VFO range after installation, but that is easy enough to do, 
just change the turns spacing on L1.

There are several reviews on eHam - http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8437

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/17/2014 9:48 AM, Joe W2KJ wrote:
> Howdy fellow Elecrafters.
>
> Would like to get in contact with anyone out there who has interfaced a Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer with a K1.
>
>


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 11:12:25 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:12:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and Cumbria Designs X-Lock
In-Reply-To: <544125FF.704@embarqmail.com>
References: <E443C79B-F4B8-4F1B-9C7C-095A2ACE1277@bellsouth.net>
	<544125FF.704@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <544131D9.9050208@socal.rr.com>

Oh no -- I'm not yet done with my K1, it appears.

I wondered why the pdf file below showed no photos 
with the mounting of the board in the K1; then I 
read "For the time being it is working perfectly 
while wrapped in bubble wrap!" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 10/17/14, 7:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I have not tried it, but Davbe G4AON has written 
> a paper on his installation. You can see it at
> http://www.cumbriadesigns.co.uk/images/X-Lock%20K1/X-Lock_K1.pdf. 
>
>
> It looks straightforward enough to me.  I would 
> think you would have to adjust the VFO range 
> after installation, but that is easy enough to 
> do, just change the turns spacing on L1.
>
> There are several reviews on eHam - 
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8437
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/17/2014 9:48 AM, Joe W2KJ wrote:
>> Howdy fellow Elecrafters.
>>
>> Would like to get in contact with anyone out 
>> there who has interfaced a Cumbria Designs 
>> X-Lock VFO stabilizer with a K1.
>>
>>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 17 11:28:02 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:28:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and Cumbria Designs X-Lock
In-Reply-To: <544131D9.9050208@socal.rr.com>
References: <E443C79B-F4B8-4F1B-9C7C-095A2ACE1277@bellsouth.net>	<544125FF.704@embarqmail.com>
	<544131D9.9050208@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54413582.6010506@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

Scroll down a bit and you will see the photos - unless you have 
something lacking in the .pdf viewer in your browser - in that case, 
download the link by right clicking and choose "save file as" then open 
it with Adobe Reader.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/17/2014 11:12 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Oh no -- I'm not yet done with my K1, it appears.
>
> I wondered why the pdf file below showed no photos with the mounting 
> of the board in the K1; then I read "For the time being it is working 
> perfectly while wrapped in bubble wrap!" :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 10/17/14, 7:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> I have not tried it, but Davbe G4AON has written a paper on his 
>> installation. You can see it at
>> http://www.cumbriadesigns.co.uk/images/X-Lock%20K1/X-Lock_K1.pdf.
>>
>> It looks straightforward enough to me.  I would think you would have 
>> to adjust the VFO range after installation, but that is easy enough 
>> to do, just change the turns spacing on L1.
>>
>> There are several reviews on eHam - 
>> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8437
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/17/2014 9:48 AM, Joe W2KJ wrote:
>>> Howdy fellow Elecrafters.
>>>
>>> Would like to get in contact with anyone out there who has 
>>> interfaced a Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer with a K1.
>>>
>>>
>>
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From eric_csuf at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 17 12:12:57 2014
From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:12:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and Cumbria Designs X-Lock
In-Reply-To: <54413582.6010506@embarqmail.com>
References: <E443C79B-F4B8-4F1B-9C7C-095A2ACE1277@bellsouth.net>	<544125FF.704@embarqmail.com>	<544131D9.9050208@socal.rr.com>
	<54413582.6010506@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP525A4626E23B63CB0484088EA80@phx.gbl>

I noticed the same thing that Phil did. Three photos show up. Not one of 
them shows the X-Lock in or out of bubble wrap. The hookup photos were 
less interesting to me at this point than how he was able to stuff it in 
the K1.

Eric
KE6US

On 10/17/2014 8:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Scroll down a bit and you will see the photos - unless you have 
> something lacking in the .pdf viewer in your browser - in that case, 
> download the link by right clicking and choose "save file as" then 
> open it with Adobe Reader.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/17/2014 11:12 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Oh no -- I'm not yet done with my K1, it appears.
>>
>> I wondered why the pdf file below showed no photos with the mounting 
>> of the board in the K1; then I read "For the time being it is working 
>> perfectly while wrapped in bubble wrap!" :-)
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 10/17/14, 7:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I have not tried it, but Davbe G4AON has written a paper on his 
>>> installation. You can see it at
>>> http://www.cumbriadesigns.co.uk/images/X-Lock%20K1/X-Lock_K1.pdf.
>>>
>>> It looks straightforward enough to me.  I would think you would have 
>>> to adjust the VFO range after installation, but that is easy enough 
>>> to do, just change the turns spacing on L1.
>>>
>>> There are several reviews on eHam - 
>>> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/8437
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2014 9:48 AM, Joe W2KJ wrote:
>>>> Howdy fellow Elecrafters.
>>>>
>>>> Would like to get in contact with anyone out there who has 
>>>> interfaced a Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer with a K1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From rjinspace at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 14:12:34 2014
From: rjinspace at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:12:34 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?
Message-ID: <CACitOLa1vC6eHhcAmXSGSWx94tA=UtnbnuebAMo8T11+PDSkqA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I have noticed that the K1 and Sierra rcvrs are very similar (as 602 based
designs). The main difference is imo that the Sierra has a MC1350 IF amp
(as has the K2 btw) followed by an LM386, but the K1 seems to do all
amplification after XFIL on AF frequencies using LM386+LM380.

Could/have the K1 be(en) modified with an IF amp and IF based AGC?

Thanks.
Roy
RF Tinkerer

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 17 14:33:59 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:33:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?
In-Reply-To: <CACitOLa1vC6eHhcAmXSGSWx94tA=UtnbnuebAMo8T11+PDSkqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACitOLa1vC6eHhcAmXSGSWx94tA=UtnbnuebAMo8T11+PDSkqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1413570839.13313.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Since you consider yourself as an RF tinkerer, it sounds like an interesting experiment.  Since the technology in the K1 predates my interest in Elecraft, probably the up to date inclusions in the Sierra were not available when the K1 was designed 20 years  or so ago.  The K3 design is not getting long of tooth and the KX3 is the ultimate QRP design from Elecraft.  It does not sound like a design change that will make Wayne and Erik any money!
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart


On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:16 PM, r j <rjinspace at gmail.com> wrote:
 


Hi.

I have noticed that the K1 and Sierra rcvrs are very similar (as 602 based
designs). The main difference is imo that the Sierra has a MC1350 IF amp
(as has the K2 btw) followed by an LM386, but the K1 seems to do all
amplification after XFIL on AF frequencies using LM386+LM380.

Could/have the K1 be(en) modified with an IF amp and IF based AGC?

Thanks.
Roy
RF Tinkerer
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Oct 17 15:17:01 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:17:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
Message-ID: <201410171917.s9HJH1VZ007060@huffman.acsalaska.net>

I assume anyone interested in this topic is reading all the 
post...so, I randomly chose Brian's post to reply to:

First off, I read a lot of theorizing about the K3 TCXO's and The 
K3EXREF.  I was a field tester of the EXREF and have had it in 
operation continuously since installing it...what follows is not theory:

I have a mw frequency counter that is good to 26-GHz reading down to 
1-Hz accuracy (that is 25 parts per billion).  The counter has an 
internal TCXO which may run whenever the unit is plugged in (I 
haven't checked so that is a guess).  What isn't is that the counter 
reads my rubidium reference oscillator as exactly 10-MHz.  The Rb 
stability (after warm up) is +/-5 E-11 = 5/100,000,000,000 Hz.  This 
is not as good a standard as using a GPS receiver but certainly good 
enough for most of us (assuming you are not active on >10-GHz).

My stations 10-MHz reference is a $45 e-bay surplus Russian OCXO with 
+/-5 E-12 short-term stability (after warm up).  I run it 
continuously on a battery that is float charged by my station 12v PS, 
thus no wait when I turn on my K3/10.

You want to install the TCXO-3 (option) if you are going to install 
the EXREF.  The EXREF provides a reference frequency for the TCXO to 
check against.    The K3 uses the TCXO as reference osc for its DDS 
VFO's and other LO's.  The stability of the K3 is that of the model 
TCXO you have installed, so if you are running the TCXO-3 that is 
listed (pg73 of the manual) as having +/- 0.5 ppm or we could write 
that +/- 5 E-7.  Using 28-MHz as an example, that means the radio 
keeps to +/- 14 Hz if 0.5 ppm is being realized.

The EXREF improves the stability by periodically checking the 
frequency of the TCXO against that of an external 10-MHz reference 
and generating a correction for the TCXO to bring it back to 
48.380.000 MHz.  This happens about every 4-seconds so the TCXO 
drifts normally at 0.5 ppm in between times.  That results in about 
2-Hz drift, so the K3 is never more than +/-2 Hz off frequency when 
using the EXREF.  2-Hz is approximately 0.1 ppm.

There is a momentary frequency step when the EXREF does its check and 
compensation.  This has been a criticism by many "purist".  But I 
have not had this cause any issues when I am running JT65C on 1296-MHz eme.

If +/- 28 Hz is acceptable for your ham radio use, then you will 
probably be happy just running with the TCXO-3.  If you need better 
stability the EXREF will probably suffice (it does for me).

Oh some suggest that the K3 will still drift at power-up because the 
TCXO-3 is warming up.  If you do not use the EXREF that is true.  I 
see about 80-Hz movement after warm up.  But the K3 is kept to +/- 2 
Hz from start by the EXREF so it does not matter that the TCXO has 
drift because that is compensated immediately at start up (if your 
10-MHz reference is stable).  And it continues to be corrected every 
4-seconds after that.

OK, sorry for the long tutorial, but this should remove all 
specializing on this topic.

73, Ed - KL7UW
600meters to 3cm (on 17 bands)
WD2XSH/45 experimental license for 600m
144-eme
1296-eme
--------------
From: Brian <alsopb at nc.rr.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
Message-ID: <543FBC64.9080705 at nc.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Don,

The issue isn't whether the TCXO is an improvement over the standard.

The issue is whether the TCXO is good enough for some of the wide range
of uses the K3 is put.

What you are hearing here is that it isn't.  Elecraft has responded with
the external locking option.  That option, being a discontinuous
correction, one has some significant disadvantages to some.

My original posting on this issue was related to the locking option.  It
only seemed reasonable to have it do a sanity check on the difference
between the internal and reference oscillator implied correction before
doing a correction.  Why do the correction is the external oscillator is
warming up and 250 Hz off initially?  The K3 also drifts during warmup
with both the standard and TCXO.  This amounts to between 20 and 50 Hz
(@ 10 MHz) for the first 15 minutes.  Why do the correction until the K3
has is relatively stable.  Perhaps the external locking should not be
done for say the first 15 minutes after K3 turn on?

73 de Brian/K3KO


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From rjinspace at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 15:25:27 2014
From: rjinspace at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:25:27 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?
In-Reply-To: <CACitOLa1vC6eHhcAmXSGSWx94tA=UtnbnuebAMo8T11+PDSkqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACitOLa1vC6eHhcAmXSGSWx94tA=UtnbnuebAMo8T11+PDSkqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACitOLb_JhGgPt0GTmg4B9t2s8CQuiNLxj_sS9hhAjL_Aij+aw@mail.gmail.com>

"... probably the up to date inclusions in the Sierra were not available
when the K1 was designed 20 years  or so ago..."

The Sierra predates the K1. The NE602 mixer and MC1350 IF amp was in common
use long before the Sierra was designed and even longer before Elecraft was
formed. Elecraft used MC1350 in K2, but chose to substitute it with all AF
amplification in K1.

When - one day - the K3 and all IcoYaeWoods are irrepairable junk (due to
special technology/chips/firmware), you can always rip apart your dead and
dusty K1 or K2, throw away the microcontroller and the display, put in a
few jumpers on the RF boards, and voila - you have an all analog radio that
you can repair from your component junk box and (then) obsolete fleabay
ICs. In the exact same way as people do 50+ years old tubes today.


" No surprise." Yes, I know. That is why I wonder why the IF amp was
changed for an AF amp.

Roy
RF Tinkerer


On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:12 AM, r j <rjinspace at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I have noticed that the K1 and Sierra rcvrs are very similar (as 602 based
> designs). The main difference is imo that the Sierra has a MC1350 IF amp
> (as has the K2 btw) followed by an LM386, but the K1 seems to do all
> amplification after XFIL on AF frequencies using LM386+LM380.
>
> Could/have the K1 be(en) modified with an IF amp and IF based AGC?
>
> Thanks.
> Roy
> RF Tinkerer
>
>
>

From david.beckwith at att.net  Fri Oct 17 16:45:35 2014
From: david.beckwith at att.net (david beckwith)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:45:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
Message-ID: <1413578735.62009.YahooMailNeo@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just moved and my K3 needs a new antenna. My only option is to run a wire antenna over my roof--I have about 110-120 feet to play with and I can get one end up off the ground 25 feet and the center and other end about 35 feet. Any ideas?  Or references to an antenna group that can help?  Thanks Bunches and 73
Dave K6CGE

From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Oct 17 17:00:22 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:00:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
In-Reply-To: <1413578735.62009.YahooMailNeo@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1413578735.62009.YahooMailNeo@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C3C8BD9-9CD3-4149-962E-C50620F5495D@me.com>

A doublet. Center fed with either 600 ohm or 450 ohm ladder line, a 4:1 balun close to your shack and as short a length of coax from the balun to your K3 as possible. Using a tuner (either the K3 internal or an external), you will be able to work 80 through 10 meters, and possibly six meters. This sort of antenna works GREAT.


> On Oct 17, 2014, at 1:45 PM, david beckwith <david.beckwith at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Just moved and my K3 needs a new antenna. My only option is to run a wire antenna over my roof--I have about 110-120 feet to play with and I can get one end up off the ground 25 feet and the center and other end about 35 feet. Any ideas?  Or references to an antenna group that can help?  Thanks Bunches and 73
> Dave K6CGE
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 17 17:22:45 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
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Alpha Delta LB-PLUS.  they are  tough and work great
 
George, W6GF 


On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:45 PM, david beckwith <david.beckwith at att.net> wrote:
  


Just moved and my K3 needs a new antenna. My only option is to run a wire antenna over my roof--I have about 110-120 feet to play with and I can get one end up off the ground 25 feet and the center and other end about 35 feet. Any ideas?  Or references to an antenna group that can help?  Thanks Bunches and 73
Dave K6CGE
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From W7IN at montana.com  Fri Oct 17 17:24:34 2014
From: W7IN at montana.com (Larry Gerhardstein)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:24:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
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Dave,
I have a K3 (#7360) with ATU and 347 ft. long wire 30 ft height. It 
tunes up ok but performance is questionable.  This same antenna performs 
better with my external MFJ tuner.
Larry W7IN

On 10/17/2014 20:45, david beckwith wrote:
> Just moved and my K3 needs a new antenna. My only option is to run a wire antenna over my roof--I have about 110-120 feet to play with and I can get one end up off the ground 25 feet and the center and other end about 35 feet. Any ideas?  Or references to an antenna group that can help?  Thanks Bunches and 73
> Dave K6CGE
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 17 18:54:17 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:54:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
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Dave,

Make it a balanced dipole antenna (equal lengths on either side of the 
feedpoint) for best efforts in keeping RF off the feedline.  The actual 
length does not matter a lot, but it should be greater than 80% of the 
half wavelength for the lowest band of interest.

Use open wire line or 450 ohm ladder line to feed it down to the point 
where it enters the shack - hopefully you can run the feedline 
perpendicular from the radiator for at least 1/4 wavelength on the 
lowest frequency of interest for lowest radiator to feedline pickup.  
Put a good 1:1 current mod choke at that point.  See page 29 of K9YC's 
RFI tutorial http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
for instructions on how to construct a very effective current mode choke 
- note: a good balun *is* a current mode choke, but many fail to perform 
as well as the ones tested by K9YC.

You will need a tuner, and any Elecraft tuner should do the job nicely.  
If it does not, then you may have to make some adjustments in the length 
of the parallel feedline to see if you can achieve success on all bands 
of interest.

You may want to take a look at the Antenna and Transmission Line article 
on my website www.w3fpr.com for a bit on non-math theory on antennas.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/17/2014 4:45 PM, david beckwith wrote:
> Just moved and my K3 needs a new antenna. My only option is to run a wire antenna over my roof--I have about 110-120 feet to play with and I can get one end up off the ground 25 feet and the center and other end about 35 feet. Any ideas?  Or references to an antenna group that can help?  Thanks Bunches and 73
> Dave K6CGE
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 17 19:23:49 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:23:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
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Thank you for the explanation.




      From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
   
I assume anyone interested in this topic is reading all the 
post...so, I randomly chose Brian's post to reply to:

First off, I read a lot of theorizing about the K3 TCXO's and The 
K3EXREF.? I was a field tester of the EXREF and have had it in 
operation continuously since installing it...what follows is not theory:

I have a mw frequency counter that is good to 26-GHz reading down to 
1-Hz accuracy (that is 25 parts per billion).? The counter has an 
internal TCXO which may run whenever the unit is plugged in (I 
haven't checked so that is a guess).? What isn't is that the counter 
reads my rubidium reference oscillator as exactly 10-MHz.? The Rb 
stability (after warm up) is +/-5 E-11 = 5/100,000,000,000 Hz.? This 
is not as good a standard as using a GPS receiver but certainly good 
enough for most of us (assuming you are not active on >10-GHz).

My stations 10-MHz reference is a $45 e-bay surplus Russian OCXO with 
+/-5 E-12 short-term stability (after warm up).? I run it 
continuously on a battery that is float charged by my station 12v PS, 
thus no wait when I turn on my K3/10.

You want to install the TCXO-3 (option) if you are going to install 
the EXREF.? The EXREF provides a reference frequency for the TCXO to 
check against.? ? The K3 uses the TCXO as reference osc for its DDS 
VFO's and other LO's.? The stability of the K3 is that of the model 
TCXO you have installed, so if you are running the TCXO-3 that is 
listed (pg73 of the manual) as having +/- 0.5 ppm or we could write 
that +/- 5 E-7.? Using 28-MHz as an example, that means the radio 
keeps to +/- 14 Hz if 0.5 ppm is being realized.

The EXREF improves the stability by periodically checking the 
frequency of the TCXO against that of an external 10-MHz reference 
and generating a correction for the TCXO to bring it back to 
48.380.000 MHz.? This happens about every 4-seconds so the TCXO 
drifts normally at 0.5 ppm in between times.? That results in about 
2-Hz drift, so the K3 is never more than +/-2 Hz off frequency when 
using the EXREF.? 2-Hz is approximately 0.1 ppm.

There is a momentary frequency step when the EXREF does its check and 
compensation.? This has been a criticism by many "purist".? But I 
have not had this cause any issues when I am running JT65C on 1296-MHz eme.

If +/- 28 Hz is acceptable for your ham radio use, then you will 
probably be happy just running with the TCXO-3.? If you need better 
stability the EXREF will probably suffice (it does for me).

Oh some suggest that the K3 will still drift at power-up because the 
TCXO-3 is warming up.? If you do not use the EXREF that is true.? I 
see about 80-Hz movement after warm up.? But the K3 is kept to +/- 2 
Hz from start by the EXREF so it does not matter that the TCXO has 
drift because that is compensated immediately at start up (if your 
10-MHz reference is stable).? And it continues to be corrected every 
4-seconds after that.

OK, sorry for the long tutorial, but this should remove all 
specializing on this topic.

73, Ed - KL7UW
600meters to 3cm (on 17 bands)
WD2XSH/45 experimental license for 600m
144-eme
1296-eme
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From: Brian <alsopb at nc.rr.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A new Elecraft product?
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Don,

The issue isn't whether the TCXO is an improvement over the standard.

The issue is whether the TCXO is good enough for some of the wide range
of uses the K3 is put.

What you are hearing here is that it isn't.? Elecraft has responded with
the external locking option.? That option, being a discontinuous
correction, one has some significant disadvantages to some.

My original posting on this issue was related to the locking option.? It
only seemed reasonable to have it do a sanity check on the difference
between the internal and reference oscillator implied correction before
doing a correction.? Why do the correction is the external oscillator is
warming up and 250 Hz off initially?? The K3 also drifts during warmup
with both the standard and TCXO.? This amounts to between 20 and 50 Hz
(@ 10 MHz) for the first 15 minutes.? Why do the correction until the K3
has is relatively stable.? Perhaps the external locking should not be
done for say the first 15 minutes after K3 turn on?

73 de Brian/K3KO


73, Ed - KL7UW
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Oct 17 19:57:56 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:57:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
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Don pretty much described my low band antenna.  Full Disclosure: I live 
on 5 acres and have a 70' tower.  That said, it is a Sloping V [I'd call 
it an inverted V except is isn't resonant on any band], about 210' on a 
side from the top of the tower.  450 ohm window line to the bottom of 
the tower, DXE 4:1 balun, and coax into the house.  I have chokes on the 
coax at the balun and at the weatherhead entrance, but I've never had 
any problems with RFITS [RF In The Shack] with or without the chokes.

It works well on 80-40-30, requires a tuner of course [KAT500].  Works 
on 160 but warms the clouds and worms, I use an Inv-L for top band.  It 
also works on all the bands up from 30 but the pattern gets fairly 
complex and squirts my RF in a lot of non-productive directions because 
it's so big.

My experience is that an 88 ft doublet, center-fed, works really well on 
40 and up in frequency, often used by those activating summits in 
Summits On The Air.  Shorter doublets are also effective, and not being 
resonant doesn't really matter [in some cases, it helps].  Neither does 
what you do with the ends.  Most of the radiation comes from the center, 
high current sections.

450 ohm window line is sensitive to moisture ... if you set up your 
tuner for dry conditions and it's now raining, things will need retuning.

Keep in mind the wisdom of Tom, N6BT, "Anything conductive will radiate 
if you get power into it."

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 10/17/2014 3:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Make it a balanced dipole antenna (equal lengths on either side of the
> feedpoint) for best efforts in keeping RF off the feedline.  The actual
> length does not matter a lot, but it should be greater than 80% of the
> half wavelength for the lowest band of interest.
>
> Use open wire line or 450 ohm ladder line to feed it down to the point
> where it enters the shack - hopefully you can run the feedline
> perpendicular from the radiator for at least 1/4 wavelength on the
> lowest frequency of interest for lowest radiator to feedline pickup. Put
> a good 1:1 current mod choke at that point.  See page 29 of K9YC's RFI
> tutorial http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
> for instructions on how to construct a very effective current mode choke
> - note: a good balun *is* a current mode choke, but many fail to perform
> as well as the ones tested by K9YC.
>
> You will need a tuner, and any Elecraft tuner should do the job nicely.
> If it does not, then you may have to make some adjustments in the length
> of the parallel feedline to see if you can achieve success on all bands
> of interest.
>
> You may want to take a look at the Antenna and Transmission Line article
> on my website www.w3fpr.com for a bit on non-math theory on antennas.



From kk5f at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 17 20:40:47 2014
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 19:40:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?  Some history.
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> ...were not available when the K1 was designed 20 years or so ago.

That's a pretty fanciful date to just pick out of thin air!  :-)

There wasn't anything that was "Elecraft" 20 years ago.  The K1 was shown
first at Dayton 2000, after which many of us ordered one.  The first
deliveries to the mass unwashed customer base were made in October, 2000,
after a wait of more than five months.

I got No. 175 in November, 2000.  Not 1994!

It's already been noted that the Sierra (also designed by Wayne/N6KR) came
out long before the K1...in fact...in 1994.  So there's your 20 years!

Mike / KK5F

From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 17 21:34:26 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:34:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?  Some history.
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More history - Elecraft was formally created July of 1998. (We began working on 
the K2 design well before that.)

We shipped the first 100 K2 Field Test Units January and Feb. of 1999.  We took 
orders for production K2 kits at Dayton in May of 1999.

We followed that with the K1, then the KX1, the K3, and most recently the KX3.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com

On 10/17/2014 5:40 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>> ...were not available when the K1 was designed 20 years or so ago.
>>
>> That's a pretty fanciful date to just pick out of thin air!  :-)
>>
>> There wasn't anything that was "Elecraft" 20 years ago.  The K1 was shown
>> first at Dayton 2000, after which many of us ordered one.  The first
>> deliveries to the mass unwashed customer base were made in October, 2000,
>> after a wait of more than five months.
>>
>> I got No. 175 in November, 2000.  Not 1994!
>>
>> It's already been noted that the Sierra (also designed by Wayne/N6KR) came
>> out long before the K1...in fact...in 1994.  So there's your 20 years!
>>
>> Mike / KK5F

From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Oct 17 21:35:06 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:35:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
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Fred is right about the 450-ohm stuff getting funky in wet weather. Cause my tuners to do the clicky-click dance whenever it rains here, although we've been pretty dry the past few years. Because of this, I plan on replacing my 450-ohm line with 600-ohm ladder line in a couple weeks.  I had the 600-ohm stuff on that doublet initially but a change in roofing materials made me change. Long story.  Anyway, as you probably know, antennas work much better when built or adjusted when the weather is horrible!!!

Jim / W6JHB


> On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Don pretty much described my low band antenna.  Full Disclosure: I live on 5 acres and have a 70' tower.  That said, it is a Sloping V [I'd call it an inverted V except is isn't resonant on any band], about 210' on a side from the top of the tower.  450 ohm window line to the bottom of the tower, DXE 4:1 balun, and coax into the house.  I have chokes on the coax at the balun and at the weatherhead entrance, but I've never had any problems with RFITS [RF In The Shack] with or without the chokes.
> 
> It works well on 80-40-30, requires a tuner of course [KAT500].  Works on 160 but warms the clouds and worms, I use an Inv-L for top band.  It also works on all the bands up from 30 but the pattern gets fairly complex and squirts my RF in a lot of non-productive directions because it's so big.
> 
> My experience is that an 88 ft doublet, center-fed, works really well on 40 and up in frequency, often used by those activating summits in Summits On The Air.  Shorter doublets are also effective, and not being resonant doesn't really matter [in some cases, it helps].  Neither does what you do with the ends.  Most of the radiation comes from the center, high current sections.
> 
> 450 ohm window line is sensitive to moisture ... if you set up your tuner for dry conditions and it's now raining, things will need retuning.
> 
> Keep in mind the wisdom of Tom, N6BT, "Anything conductive will radiate if you get power into it."
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
> 
>> On 10/17/2014 3:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> 
>> Make it a balanced dipole antenna (equal lengths on either side of the
>> feedpoint) for best efforts in keeping RF off the feedline.  The actual
>> length does not matter a lot, but it should be greater than 80% of the
>> half wavelength for the lowest band of interest.
>> 
>> Use open wire line or 450 ohm ladder line to feed it down to the point
>> where it enters the shack - hopefully you can run the feedline
>> perpendicular from the radiator for at least 1/4 wavelength on the
>> lowest frequency of interest for lowest radiator to feedline pickup. Put
>> a good 1:1 current mod choke at that point.  See page 29 of K9YC's RFI
>> tutorial http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
>> for instructions on how to construct a very effective current mode choke
>> - note: a good balun *is* a current mode choke, but many fail to perform
>> as well as the ones tested by K9YC.
>> 
>> You will need a tuner, and any Elecraft tuner should do the job nicely.
>> If it does not, then you may have to make some adjustments in the length
>> of the parallel feedline to see if you can achieve success on all bands
>> of interest.
>> 
>> You may want to take a look at the Antenna and Transmission Line article
>> on my website www.w3fpr.com for a bit on non-math theory on antennas.
> 
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Oct 17 21:47:22 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:47:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna question
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In a dry climate, ladder line is fine, but good coax has low losses, too, and is less fussy about being run next to the gutters.

It is rare for a dipole to be perfectly balanced (thanks to near field objects like houses), so a high-quality current balun at the antenna can really help reject common mode noise. I recommend Balun Designs. Mine dropped the noise by 6dB.

Also consider the ?loop skywire?. A loop often fits into the same space as a dipole and lots of people like them.

For pre-built dipoles, I?m happy with my Hy Power Antenna: http://www.hypowerantenna.com/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
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On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:35 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:

> Fred is right about the 450-ohm stuff getting funky in wet weather. Cause my tuners to do the clicky-click dance whenever it rains here, although we've been pretty dry the past few years. Because of this, I plan on replacing my 450-ohm line with 600-ohm ladder line in a couple weeks.  I had the 600-ohm stuff on that doublet initially but a change in roofing materials made me change. Long story.  Anyway, as you probably know, antennas work much better when built or adjusted when the weather is horrible!!!
> 
> Jim / W6JHB
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Don pretty much described my low band antenna.  Full Disclosure: I live on 5 acres and have a 70' tower.  That said, it is a Sloping V [I'd call it an inverted V except is isn't resonant on any band], about 210' on a side from the top of the tower.  450 ohm window line to the bottom of the tower, DXE 4:1 balun, and coax into the house.  I have chokes on the coax at the balun and at the weatherhead entrance, but I've never had any problems with RFITS [RF In The Shack] with or without the chokes.
>> 
>> It works well on 80-40-30, requires a tuner of course [KAT500].  Works on 160 but warms the clouds and worms, I use an Inv-L for top band.  It also works on all the bands up from 30 but the pattern gets fairly complex and squirts my RF in a lot of non-productive directions because it's so big.
>> 
>> My experience is that an 88 ft doublet, center-fed, works really well on 40 and up in frequency, often used by those activating summits in Summits On The Air.  Shorter doublets are also effective, and not being resonant doesn't really matter [in some cases, it helps].  Neither does what you do with the ends.  Most of the radiation comes from the center, high current sections.
>> 
>> 450 ohm window line is sensitive to moisture ... if you set up your tuner for dry conditions and it's now raining, things will need retuning.
>> 
>> Keep in mind the wisdom of Tom, N6BT, "Anything conductive will radiate if you get power into it."
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>> - www.cqp.org
>> 
>>> On 10/17/2014 3:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make it a balanced dipole antenna (equal lengths on either side of the
>>> feedpoint) for best efforts in keeping RF off the feedline.  The actual
>>> length does not matter a lot, but it should be greater than 80% of the
>>> half wavelength for the lowest band of interest.
>>> 
>>> Use open wire line or 450 ohm ladder line to feed it down to the point
>>> where it enters the shack - hopefully you can run the feedline
>>> perpendicular from the radiator for at least 1/4 wavelength on the
>>> lowest frequency of interest for lowest radiator to feedline pickup. Put
>>> a good 1:1 current mod choke at that point.  See page 29 of K9YC's RFI
>>> tutorial http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
>>> for instructions on how to construct a very effective current mode choke
>>> - note: a good balun *is* a current mode choke, but many fail to perform
>>> as well as the ones tested by K9YC.
>>> 
>>> You will need a tuner, and any Elecraft tuner should do the job nicely.
>>> If it does not, then you may have to make some adjustments in the length
>>> of the parallel feedline to see if you can achieve success on all bands
>>> of interest.
>>> 
>>> You may want to take a look at the Antenna and Transmission Line article
>>> on my website www.w3fpr.com for a bit on non-math theory on antennas.
>> 
>> 
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From rjinspace at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 21:50:54 2014
From: rjinspace at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:50:54 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod? Some history.
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References: <10999741.1413592847793.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Well ... Thanks for the history. One can also look at Elecraft's website

http://www.elecraft.com/about_elecraft.htm


But my question remains: Why did the (very early) Sierra and the (first
Elecraft product) K2 have IF amp (MC1350 - and of course the standard AF
amp LM386), but the K1 was equipped with no IF amp but two AF amps (LM386
and LM380) and an accordingly somewhat problematic AF based AGC.

Thanks.
Roy
RF Tinkerer

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
eric at elecraft.com> wrote:

> More history - Elecraft was formally created July of 1998. (We began
> working on the K2 design well before that.)
>
> We shipped the first 100 K2 Field Test Units January and Feb. of 1999.  We
> took orders for production K2 kits at Dayton in May of 1999.
>
> We followed that with the K1, then the KX1, the K3, and most recently the
> KX3.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
>
> On 10/17/2014 5:40 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>
>> ...were not available when the K1 was designed 20 years or so ago.
>>>
>>> That's a pretty fanciful date to just pick out of thin air!  :-)
>>>
>>> There wasn't anything that was "Elecraft" 20 years ago.  The K1 was shown
>>> first at Dayton 2000, after which many of us ordered one.  The first
>>> deliveries to the mass unwashed customer base were made in October, 2000,
>>> after a wait of more than five months.
>>>
>>> I got No. 175 in November, 2000.  Not 1994!
>>>
>>> It's already been noted that the Sierra (also designed by Wayne/N6KR)
>>> came
>>> out long before the K1...in fact...in 1994.  So there's your 20 years!
>>>
>>> Mike / KK5F
>>>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 17 22:37:18 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod? Some history.
In-Reply-To: <CACitOLZUYqr2sNSaJLf0jfHQ2boM63RqDaAuVjPDR2oGUBYcOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10999741.1413592847793.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<5441C3A2.6040506@elecraft.com>
	<CACitOLZUYqr2sNSaJLf0jfHQ2boM63RqDaAuVjPDR2oGUBYcOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5441D25E.8050202@embarqmail.com>

Roy,

I think one of the reasons for the change from the MC1350 to the NE612 
followed by the LM386 was due to the fact that when the K1 was designed, 
the MC1350 in its DIP format was "not to be used for current designs".  
Yes, the MC1350 is still available in SMD format, and Elecraft has 
designed a carrier board that allows its use in the DIP format holes 
(for the K2 ongoing support).

To redesign the the K1 to use the MC1350 would be challenging.  The AGC 
system would have to be changed to use that part.  There is nothing 
wrong with the "dual NE612" designs - there are several out there, and 
they perform quite nicely.

BTW - the K2 used the LM380-8 audio amplifier, not the LM386.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/17/2014 9:50 PM, r j wrote:
> Well ... Thanks for the history. One can also look at Elecraft's website
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/about_elecraft.htm
>
>
> But my question remains: Why did the (very early) Sierra and the (first
> Elecraft product) K2 have IF amp (MC1350 - and of course the standard AF
> amp LM386), but the K1 was equipped with no IF amp but two AF amps (LM386
> and LM380) and an accordingly somewhat problematic AF based AGC.
>
> Thanks.
> Roy
> RF Tinkerer
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
> eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>> More history - Elecraft was formally created July of 1998. (We began
>> working on the K2 design well before that.)
>>
>> We shipped the first 100 K2 Field Test Units January and Feb. of 1999.  We
>> took orders for production K2 kits at Dayton in May of 1999.
>>
>> We followed that with the K1, then the KX1, the K3, and most recently the
>> KX3.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Eric
>> elecraft.com
>>
>>


From rjinspace at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 23:34:24 2014
From: rjinspace at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:34:24 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod? Some history.
In-Reply-To: <5441D25E.8050202@embarqmail.com>
References: <10999741.1413592847793.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5441C3A2.6040506@elecraft.com>
	<CACitOLZUYqr2sNSaJLf0jfHQ2boM63RqDaAuVjPDR2oGUBYcOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5441D25E.8050202@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACitOLbpUcti2kdPamxGa9Z1KVj-Zs8p3GNDf11Aa8wv2GjfRw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep - the K2 uses LM380, but the Sierra uses only an LM386 as headphone
amp. My  ill formulated sentence. But it doesn't matter - its all AF dBs.

My point is that the Sierra and the K2 uses an IF amp MC1350 before the
product detector 602 (612, NE, SA ...), and gets a 'proper' AGC. The K2 is
of course a better design since it uses a TUF-1 mixer (w. pre- and post
amp) in stead of the 602 mixer.

But the K1 - a later design then the Sierra and K2 - is imo one step back
and down by not having an IF amp. The main rcvr guts of the K1 looks
something like:

602 MIXER - XFIL - 602 PROD DET - LM386 AF PRE AMP - LM380 AF POWER AMP

There is no IF amplification, and the AGC is based on the very slow CW AF
signal.

Anyway - it is a piece of cake to mod the K1. Quite a few of the other QRP
rigs (in addition to the Sierra) from the period are 602-1350-602. I just
wanted to know why they chose the all AF way. I guess someone has asked
before - but the answer is imo not all clear.

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RE-Re-K1-AGC-time-constant-and-how-to-radically-improveK1-AGC-td388515.html

Roy
RF Tinkerer

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Roy,
>
> I think one of the reasons for the change from the MC1350 to the NE612
> followed by the LM386 was due to the fact that when the K1 was designed,
> the MC1350 in its DIP format was "not to be used for current designs".
> Yes, the MC1350 is still available in SMD format, and Elecraft has designed
> a carrier board that allows its use in the DIP format holes (for the K2
> ongoing support).
>
> To redesign the the K1 to use the MC1350 would be challenging.  The AGC
> system would have to be changed to use that part.  There is nothing wrong
> with the "dual NE612" designs - there are several out there, and they
> perform quite nicely.
>
> BTW - the K2 used the LM380-8 audio amplifier, not the LM386.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 10/17/2014 9:50 PM, r j wrote:
>
>> Well ... Thanks for the history. One can also look at Elecraft's website
>>
>> http://www.elecraft.com/about_elecraft.htm
>>
>>
>> But my question remains: Why did the (very early) Sierra and the (first
>> Elecraft product) K2 have IF amp (MC1350 - and of course the standard AF
>> amp LM386), but the K1 was equipped with no IF amp but two AF amps (LM386
>> and LM380) and an accordingly somewhat problematic AF based AGC.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Roy
>> RF Tinkerer
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
>> eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>  More history - Elecraft was formally created July of 1998. (We began
>>> working on the K2 design well before that.)
>>>
>>> We shipped the first 100 K2 Field Test Units January and Feb. of 1999.
>>> We
>>> took orders for production K2 kits at Dayton in May of 1999.
>>>
>>> We followed that with the K1, then the KX1, the K3, and most recently the
>>> KX3.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> elecraft.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 18 00:13:34 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?  Some history.
In-Reply-To: <5441C3A2.6040506@elecraft.com>
References: <10999741.1413592847793.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5441C3A2.6040506@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5441E8EE.6010001@socal.rr.com>

Hmm .. so where is the KX2, Eric? :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 10/17/14, 6:34 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, 
Elecraft wrote:
> More history - Elecraft was formally created 
> July of 1998. (We began working on the K2 design 
> well before that.)
>
> We shipped the first 100 K2 Field Test Units 
> January and Feb. of 1999.  We took orders for 
> production K2 kits at Dayton in May of 1999.
>
> We followed that with the K1, then the KX1, the 
> K3, and most recently the KX3.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
> On 10/17/2014 5:40 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>>> ...were not available when the K1 was designed 
>>> 20 years or so ago.
>>>
>>> That's a pretty fanciful date to just pick out 
>>> of thin air! :-)
>>>
>>> There wasn't anything that was "Elecraft" 20 
>>> years ago.  The K1 was shown
>>> first at Dayton 2000, after which many of us 
>>> ordered one.  The first
>>> deliveries to the mass unwashed customer base 
>>> were made in October, 2000,
>>> after a wait of more than five months.
>>>
>>> I got No. 175 in November, 2000.  Not 1994!
>>>
>>> It's already been noted that the Sierra (also 
>>> designed by Wayne/N6KR) came
>>> out long before the K1...in fact...in 1994.  
>>> So there's your 20 years!
>>>
>>> Mike / KK5F


From dhmulford at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 09:27:44 2014
From: dhmulford at gmail.com (David - KI4UVC)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
Message-ID: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>

Love my KX3 but ran into some strange behavior as of late with some hangs.

Running MCU 2.25 / DSP 1.30 when trying to change ACC2IO settings, when I
turn VFOA to LO=Ptt the unit hangs on the LO=Ptt option - display freezes at
LO=Ptt and I can't PWR off using ATU/BAND-.

I've tried re-flashing MCU/DSP firmware with KX3 utility and even tried
EEINIT reset - still the same hanging on ACC2IO menu.

Anyone else having this issue?
Any ideas for a fix?

TIA.

73's
David - KI4UVC





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From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 09:46:06 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:46:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting Filters (K3 newbie)
Message-ID: <FC2C4515-9AA0-4455-8735-5D784B498547@gmail.com>

 I am confused about the filters and the bandwidth display...

I get a display that has 2 bars on far left and right.

The Bandwidth widens and narrows the bars in the middle, 
but the bars stay at the edges? Like this:

|   ||||||   |

narrows to

|     ||     |

but, why not

     ||     

or

    |||||   

only?

I have 1kHz, 500Hz, and 200Hz filters.

I am making QSOs etc, but seems strange.

Confused?
--
Brian Short
azbibliophile at gmail.com





From lists at subich.com  Sat Oct 18 09:55:38 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting Filters (K3 newbie)
In-Reply-To: <FC2C4515-9AA0-4455-8735-5D784B498547@gmail.com>
References: <FC2C4515-9AA0-4455-8735-5D784B498547@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5442715A.60509@subich.com>


You have APF engaged.  *HOLD* the XFIL/Dual PB button.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-18 9:46 AM, Brian Short wrote:
>   I am confused about the filters and the bandwidth display...
>
> I get a display that has 2 bars on far left and right.
>
> The Bandwidth widens and narrows the bars in the middle,
> but the bars stay at the edges? Like this:
>
> |   ||||||   |
>
> narrows to
>
> |     ||     |
>
> but, why not
>
>       ||
>
> or
>
>      |||||
>
> only?
>
> I have 1kHz, 500Hz, and 200Hz filters.
>
> I am making QSOs etc, but seems strange.
>
> Confused?
> --
> Brian Short
> azbibliophile at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 18 09:56:39 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:56:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>

David,

What do you have connected to the ACC2IO jack?  Is there possibly 
anything there that could be holding that signal to ground?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2014 9:27 AM, David - KI4UVC wrote:
> Love my KX3 but ran into some strange behavior as of late with some hangs.
>
> Running MCU 2.25 / DSP 1.30 when trying to change ACC2IO settings, when I
> turn VFOA to LO=Ptt the unit hangs on the LO=Ptt option - display freezes at
> LO=Ptt and I can't PWR off using ATU/BAND-.
>
> I've tried re-flashing MCU/DSP firmware with KX3 utility and even tried
> EEINIT reset - still the same hanging on ACC2IO menu.
>
>


From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 09:57:33 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digikeyer Connection to K3
Message-ID: <BB0E8BC7-3EA6-42AA-9596-2DB49AC6FF79@gmail.com>

I own a Digikeyer and acquired a second for the K3, used.

Having trouble with the install.  Win7 recognized the device,
but only the USB Hub and Digikeyer devices.  The Codecs
are not recognized, specifically.

I checked the jumpers to ensure RS-232 for the serial ports
and that part works.

My original Digikeyer when plugged in causes drivers for
all devices to load.

The used one only finds the USB Hub and Microham Digikeyer
(no CODECs nor 2 other drivers).

Is it something I am doing?
--
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 18 09:58:42 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:58:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting Filters (K3 newbie)
In-Reply-To: <FC2C4515-9AA0-4455-8735-5D784B498547@gmail.com>
References: <FC2C4515-9AA0-4455-8735-5D784B498547@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54427212.4090308@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

You have Dual Passband turned on - see page 33 in the K3 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2014 9:46 AM, Brian Short wrote:
>   I am confused about the filters and the bandwidth display...
>
> I get a display that has 2 bars on far left and right.
>
> The Bandwidth widens and narrows the bars in the middle,
> but the bars stay at the edges? Like this:
>
> |   ||||||   |
>
> narrows to
>
> |     ||     |
>
>


From lists at subich.com  Sat Oct 18 10:26:35 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:26:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Digikeyer Connection to K3
In-Reply-To: <BB0E8BC7-3EA6-42AA-9596-2DB49AC6FF79@gmail.com>
References: <BB0E8BC7-3EA6-42AA-9596-2DB49AC6FF79@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5442789B.7010909@subich.com>


The proper venue for individual microHAM support is "support at microHAM.com"

 > The used one only finds the USB Hub and Microham Digikeyer
 > (no CODECs nor 2 other drivers).

There are only three USB devices in the original microHAM Digikeyer:
one sound device - USB Audio CODEC, "Generic USB Hub" and "microHAM
USB Device".  If you see "Generic USB Hub" and "microHAM USB Device"
appear/disappear in Windows Device Manager as you connect/disconnect
the USB cable the only issue is Windows recognition of the CODEC.

Check for any '?' devices.

Configure Device Manager to show hidden/disconnected devices,

Disconnect any microHAM devices,

uninstall any hidden/disconnected (gray) USB Audio CODEC, Generic
USB Hub, and microHAM USB Devices and '?' devices that appear in
Device Manager.

Reboot (cold) or Restart Windows

Reconnect the microHAM devices and Windows should install the
necessary drivers.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-18 9:57 AM, Brian Short wrote:
> I own a Digikeyer and acquired a second for the K3, used.
>
> Having trouble with the install.  Win7 recognized the device,
> but only the USB Hub and Digikeyer devices.  The Codecs
> are not recognized, specifically.
>
> I checked the jumpers to ensure RS-232 for the serial ports
> and that part works.
>
> My original Digikeyer when plugged in causes drivers for
> all devices to load.
>
> The used one only finds the USB Hub and Microham Digikeyer
> (no CODECs nor 2 other drivers).
>
> Is it something I am doing?
> --
> http://www.qrz.com/db/k7on
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 10:30:48 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:30:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting Filters (K3 newbie)
In-Reply-To: <5442715A.60509@subich.com>
References: <FC2C4515-9AA0-4455-8735-5D784B498547@gmail.com>
	<5442715A.60509@subich.com>
Message-ID: <9975DC16-1FAC-4E97-BB29-D018D22006D1@gmail.com>

You are, of course, correct Joe.
Thanks to Joe, Don, and others.

That works better for now :)

On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:55 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> 
> You have APF engaged.  *HOLD* the XFIL/Dual PB button.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 

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From dhmulford at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 10:53:49 2014
From: dhmulford at gmail.com (David - KI4UVC)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>

Nothing is connected to ACC2 currently - I was mucking around with menu
settings.

I tried reverting back to MCU2.23 and am having the same issue - radio hangs
at any change in ACC2 settings.  

I didn't have this issue until I did the Extended Temp Calibration routine.
Radio is in the low 6000 s/n range - has all internal options except for 2m.

Might have to send back to Elecraft for some brain surgery...

- David




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From rhulett1 at consolidated.net  Sat Oct 18 10:54:42 2014
From: rhulett1 at consolidated.net (Curt)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:54:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  K1 IF Amp Mod?
Message-ID: <3A907C009622410DAFF00642A5C23169@DB1B1VF1>

I thought the K1 was the commercial version of the Sierra.  Didn't the 
Sierra predate Elecraft?

BTW, the K1 is about the neatest QRP radio I own, even above my K2.  I've 
built boards for every band 80M-10M, especially enjoy working from the patio 
@ 1W into an EFHW on 20M.  It's my "go to" rig for QRP contests.

73, Curt KB5JO




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 10:55:11 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:55:11 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
Message-ID: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>

I have an apartment on the top floor of a 10-story building with a small 
roof area accessible and restrictions on antenna size. I asked for 
advice here about antennas, and got a lot of suggestions and help, so I 
thought I would post my results.

I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that 
sits on the roof. The base of the antenna is about 35m above the ground. 
It sits on a 1m tall mast which is connected to the roof with a 
hinge-type mount and is guyed at two levels with 4 PES marine ropes at 
each level.

The feedline is about 10m of RG/213. I used two homemade ferrite chokes, 
one near the antenna and one at the entrance to the shack, because I was 
concerned about RFI and receive noise.

Results so far have been, in a word, great! I seem to be able to work 
anything I can hear, mostly with my barefoot K3. I have only used my amp 
a few times. I am getting good reports and breaking pileups right and 
left (all this on CW, of course).

The antenna is not as bad as I thought it would be for receive noise, 
but it is not as clean as my Pixel Loop, which is exceptionally quiet.

My experience with similar antennas at lower heights was not as good 
(yes, my call makes me DX for some, but not for the DXpeditions whose 
pileups I get through on the first or second call). All in all, life 
without a beam can be very enjoyable if you can put a vertical up high 
enough.
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From k8cxm at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 11:07:38 2014
From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder (Hotmail))
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 and Anker LION battery
Message-ID: <BAY176-DS19ADB64A9569077811815EEAA90@phx.gbl>

I use an Elecraft KX1 and an Anker Astro Pro2 LION battery when I go QRP in the field. The combination works very well, and allows me to run the KX1 at the full 3 watt level. However, the last two times I used this arrangement, I had the Anker battery shut down on me. It would power right back up, but , still, it was disconcerting. After finally reading about the battery and doing some in house testing, I finally figured out that the KX1 draws such little current while idling (good thing), that it fooled the battery enough that the Anker's auto shut off (also a good thing, if you are actually charging a device) kicked in. I didn't want this, so I started toying with the KX1 to see if I could make it draw enough current while idling. What I finally ended up doing was turning on the small LED light and leaving it on while operating. So far, the battery has been staying on. Not an elegant solution, but SEEMS to work. Anyone have a better idea on how to defeat the auto shutoff of this battery? I have not yet queried Anker about this, but that's next.
But, as I mentioned up front, this combination works very well and I am very pleased with the results.

     Jim Bob Buckeye 
            AKA
  **** Jim Leder****
    K8CXM since 1961
 IBM retiree since 1999
  
There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary
and those who don't.


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 18 11:24:32 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (edward kacura via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:24:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K2 with seperate amp/tuner and K1.
Message-ID: <1413645872.29992.YahooMailNeo@web310210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm downsizing since retirement earlier this year, will be on the road with the travel trailer. These item need a new home instead of sitting packed away. I have my KX3, PX3 along with the KXPA 100, it all fits nicely in the trailer.

The K2, s/n 6576, was built in late 2011 by Dale Putnam WC7S, with the complete Rework Eliminator kit.
Installed in it are SSB option, Antenna tuner, KDSP2 filter with clock, KIO2 RS-232 interface, KBT2 battery kit, no battery. There's an unbuilt noise blanker. There's a weighted VFO knob installed, and an extra top cabinet panel with speaker installed.

All the manuals included, along with a MH-2 hand mic and headset adapter. There's two unopened Rework Eliminator kits, KXPD1 clamp for the KX1 paddles to mount to the K2 bail, a cable for connecting the NUE-PSK modem (modem not included).

In a separate enclosure is the KPA/KAT 100 amp/tuner with cables to hook to the K2. Both radio and amp are in great condition. Asking $1500.00 for the package, new this would cost almost $2400.00.

The K1, s/n 2945, covers 40/30/20/15 meters, has the antenna tuner installed along with the Back Light mod and a weighted knob like the K2 installed. Asking $450.00 for the K1.

I will double box and insure, and pay the shipping, only lower 48 thou, no overseas. Paypal, or money order works for me. You will get two boxes with the K2.

As with all used electronic equipment, there's no return or refund. You will get working radios when they leave me.

Contact me off-line at ekacura at yahoo.com, or call my cell and leave a msg. 520-490-5395. ( I don't always hear the cell with my hearing aids)

Thanks and 73,
Ed Kacura
N7EDK
Willits, CA 95490

From phils at riousa.com  Sat Oct 18 11:57:38 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:57:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 10/12/2014
In-Reply-To: <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com>
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Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from October 12, 2014. There was heavy QRM from contests and other nets.  We did a QSY up 1 kHz to 14.3045, MHz, but it didn?t help much.  We had 21 participants over 18 minutes.

Station		Name		QTH		Rig		S/N

W4TM		Cary			VA		K3	
K1NW		Brian		RI		K3		4974
NC0JW		Jim			CO		KX3		1356
W0CZ		Ken			ND		K3		457
K6VWE		Stan			MI		KX3		201
N0MEU		Jay			CO		KX3		4351
KF7JZH		Ron			ID		KX3		2262	QRP
VE3XM		Bob			ON		K3		409
KU4UW		Ray			NM		KX3		6751	QRP
W4RKS		Jim			TX		K3		3618
VE3YF		Mike			ON		K3		6979
K7BRR		Bill			AZ		K3		5945
KC0XT		David		CA		TS480HX
AB7CE		Roy			MT		KX3		115		QRP
W7QHD		Kurt			AZ		K2		1538
W8OV		Dave		TX		K3		3139
KE7FSD		Al			AZ		K3		8532
K8NU		Carl			OH		K3		7976
KD0MOA		John			CO		KX3		3560	QRP
WB9JNZ		Eric			IL		K3		4017
NS7P		Phil			OR		K3		1826


73,
Phil, NS7P

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Sat Oct 18 13:30:39 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18 at videotron.ca)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
In-Reply-To: <72e0a59b1eb1e.5442a3a5@videotron.ca>
References: <721092411f777.5442a1c2@videotron.ca>
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	<72e0a59b1eb1e.5442a3a5@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <7300c2951f697.54426b7f@videotron.ca>

Hello,There is a new release of Win4K3Suite available.
This release has a number of enhancements and fixes especially in the Panadapter software.
Release 1.684 now correctly recognizes the IF shift that occurs when Weaver demodulation is in effect in the KX3. In addition it allows setting of an upper passband of 2.4 and 2.9kHz. It also recognizes and allows changes to the 8kHz offset.
Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control application for the complete K-Line, including the K3, KPA500, KAT500 and the P3 via webcam or hardware capture board. It also supports LP-Pan for the K3. Win4K3Suite also supports the KX3, KXPA100 and includes a software Panadapter. Win4K3Suite inter-operates with almost all third party digital, logging and contesting software including Ham Radio Deluxe, DXLabs, N1MM, and many more.
You can see the software in action here:http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Win4K3Suite


Win4K3Suite offers a full featured 30 day trial. If you have evaluated the software in the past and would like to try it again please contact me off line for a license key. The software includes full support with no upgrade fees (until the K4 comes out!).
The software map be downloaded at va2fsq.com


73's Tom

From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 13:41:29 2014
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:41:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 User Help Needed PLS
Message-ID: <CAD+2GysdRn=-Pe-_J-LqV=1kb6hbJHeLAg8cp2NqjkH_urhNqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just received my PX3,

Power cable has no fuse so I cannot hook up to my 50 amp supply What cord
do I need to purchase?

My main concern is I can not see a signal on it that I am listening to on
the KX3.  I see spikes and noise floor but no signals. I can adjust DISP,
Average REF, SCALE, SPAN. Must be some things I need to adjust in MENU but
not sure what.  I really do not know what I am doing with this.  Never had
a spectrum analyzer or messed with any signal displays before.

-- 
Jim K9TF

From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 14:09:38 2014
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 User Help Needed PLS
Message-ID: <CAD+2GytpofVsPG5Mb5x6WKm5ZXjsqf3UdihOkRrvJksj_r3CpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Carl TNX for responding so fast.

No I do not.  Just turned it on and now  I can see signals.

What else do I need to turn on in the KX3?

-- 
Jim K9TF

From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Sat Oct 18 14:39:43 2014
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:39:43 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 User Help Needed PLS
In-Reply-To: <CAD+2GytpofVsPG5Mb5x6WKm5ZXjsqf3UdihOkRrvJksj_r3CpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+2GytpofVsPG5Mb5x6WKm5ZXjsqf3UdihOkRrvJksj_r3CpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5442B3EF.4030608@xs4all.nl>

Jim,
Did you read the manual's page 6, first item under figure 1, ie did you 
turn on the RX I/Q function in the KX3?

73,
Peter - PA0PJE



Op 2014-10-18 20:09 schreef Jim GM:
> Carl TNX for responding so fast.
>
> No I do not.  Just turned it on and now  I can see signals.
>
> What else do I need to turn on in the KX3?
>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 18 14:54:30 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:54:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>	<54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
	<1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5442B766.9060704@embarqmail.com>

David,
Contact KX3support(at)elecraft.com to see if they can offer any 
additional wisdom.  If it has to go back to Elecraft for work, that 
contact at support is the starting place to obtain an RSA.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2014 10:53 AM, David - KI4UVC wrote:
> Nothing is connected to ACC2 currently - I was mucking around with menu
> settings.
>
> I tried reverting back to MCU2.23 and am having the same issue - radio hangs
> at any change in ACC2 settings.
>
> I didn't have this issue until I did the Extended Temp Calibration routine.
> Radio is in the low 6000 s/n range - has all internal options except for 2m.
>
> Might have to send back to Elecraft for some brain surgery...
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 18 15:25:18 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:25:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>	<54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
	<1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5442BE9E.5070604@embarqmail.com>

David,

I did not have my brain fully in gear on this situation before.  The 
GPIO input is just that - an input to a 3 volt logic device with only a 
500 ohm series resistor.  So there is nothing to make it either a high 
nor a low level.  In the digital world it is known as a 'floating input' 
and without some other (external) hardware addition, it may appear to be 
either at a high or a low level depending on the "shifting of the winds 
in the desert"
Sooo - that may be a normal response when a LO function is used on the 
GPIO input signal.
Take note of the part in the menu instructions saying that some external 
interface circuitry may be required.

The GPIO input has no pullup resistor to 3 volts to keep it high - that 
means the voltage just floats at whatever it happens to be.  If that 
voltage happens to be below the logic threshold for a LO level, the 
function will become active when that menu option is selected - and will 
happen with nothing connected to the GPIO input. (The same might happen 
when HI is selected in the menu too).

The solution is to bring that input level to a high state with an 
external pullup resistor.  One end of the resistor goes to a voltage 
source (ideally 3 volts, but up to 5.5 volts will be tolerated.  The 
other end of the resistor goes to the GPIO input (ACC2 connector tip) - 
and oh yes, the negative of the source powering it would connect to the 
connector shell.  Two AA battery cells in series and a 33K resistor 
should work nicely and the batteries should last a long time.

Then your PTT switch, footpedal, etc. would place a short between the 
ACC2 connector tip and shell when it is active.

Note also that if you make the GPIO menu selections for either HI or LO, 
that condition may become active any time the plug is removed from the 
ACC2 jack.  In other words, you must connect an external high or low 
logic level before turning the KX3 on.

You may find it easier to build an adapter and use the microphone jack 
PTT input which has an internal pullup resistor which assures a high 
state when the PTT circuit is open or inactive.

73,
Don W3FPR

-----------------------------------------------------------
David,
Contact KX3support(at)elecraft.com to see if they can offer any 
additional wisdom.  If it has to go back to Elecraft for work, that 
contact at support is the starting place to obtain an RSA.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2014 10:53 AM, David - KI4UVC wrote:
> Nothing is connected to ACC2 currently - I was mucking around with menu
> settings.
>
> I tried reverting back to MCU2.23 and am having the same issue - radio hangs
> at any change in ACC2 settings.
>
> I didn't have this issue until I did the Extended Temp Calibration routine.
> Radio is in the low 6000 s/n range - has all internal options except for 2m.
>
> Might have to send back to Elecraft for some brain surgery...
>
>


From n8ag at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 21:14:13 2014
From: n8ag at comcast.net (n8ag at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 01:14:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 TX Problem
In-Reply-To: <1588998072.10427624.1413680815811.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1481585034.10428847.1413681253992.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>

My brother, W8TXT, has a problem with his KX3. In PTT, when he presses XMIT, the KX3 puts out 3 or 4 watts with the cw key still open. When the closes the CW key it puts out 10 to 12 watts and stays at that level. In LSB, he hits PTT and gets the same 3 to 4 watts out without an mic audio. Sometimes the KX3 power out on the display agrees with his watt meter. At other times he does not see any power out indication on the KX3 display. In VOX he gets the same results however, he does see a quick "High Current" message flash up very quickly on the display when he keys it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. TNX es 73, Dave N8AG 

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Oct 18 21:21:12 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:21:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 TX Problem
In-Reply-To: <1481585034.10428847.1413681253992.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
References: <1481585034.10428847.1413681253992.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5BA95B1C-AB72-48B3-82F6-AE3E8D693DC0@wunderwood.org>

Does he want to use CW or voice mode? If he wants to use voice, the mic will pick up whatever is in the room and transmit it.

Also, if he wants to operate with voice, he really needs to set it up with the steps on page 15 of the manual. Really.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:14 PM, n8ag at comcast.net wrote:

> My brother, W8TXT, has a problem with his KX3. In PTT, when he presses XMIT, the KX3 puts out 3 or 4 watts with the cw key still open. When the closes the CW key it puts out 10 to 12 watts and stays at that level. In LSB, he hits PTT and gets the same 3 to 4 watts out without an mic audio. Sometimes the KX3 power out on the display agrees with his watt meter. At other times he does not see any power out indication on the KX3 display. In VOX he gets the same results however, he does see a quick "High Current" message flash up very quickly on the display when he keys it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. TNX es 73, Dave N8AG 
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From phils at riousa.com  Sun Oct 19 00:27:42 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:27:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <94B854DF-6958-4557-A4CE-F4C4CFF5FFFC@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  I will be net control from Oregon.  Hope to hear you.

73,
Phil, NS7P

From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Oct 19 10:07:37 2014
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:07:37 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1, KXB3080, KXAT1 - constructing sequence
Message-ID: <1413727657.57896.YahooMailNeo@web193501.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

Hello Elecrafters,

I am building a KX1 for a ham who is unable to do that due to health reasons.  I notice that some modifications are required when building the KXB3080.  Therefore, is it necessary to complete the kx1 first before the kxb3080?  Is there anyway to afford duplicate some of the build and unbuilt process for the later installation of kxb3080?

I remember when I built the K2, some installations for KSB2 can be done before the completion of K2.

Any advice will be appreciated.

73

Johnny VR2XMC

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 19 10:09:18 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 TX Problem
In-Reply-To: <1481585034.10428847.1413681253992.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
References: <1481585034.10428847.1413681253992.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5443C60E.6010708@embarqmail.com>

Dave,
I suspect he is having problems with the Trnasmit Carrier Null. That 
procedure is normally done at the factory since it needs a spectrum 
analyzer to do it correctly.  If he has access to a spectrum analyzer he 
should ask support to send the complete instructions.  See page 34 in 
the manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2014 9:14 PM, n8ag at comcast.net wrote:
> My brother, W8TXT, has a problem with his KX3. In PTT, when he presses XMIT, the KX3 puts out 3 or 4 watts with the cw key still open. When the closes the CW key it puts out 10 to 12 watts and stays at that level. In LSB, he hits PTT and gets the same 3 to 4 watts out without an mic audio. Sometimes the KX3 power out on the display agrees with his watt meter. At other times he does not see any power out indication on the KX3 display. In VOX he gets the same results however, he does see a quick "High Current" message flash up very quickly on the display when he keys it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. TNX es 73, Dave N8AG
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 19 10:17:59 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:17:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1, KXB3080, KXAT1 - constructing sequence
In-Reply-To: <1413727657.57896.YahooMailNeo@web193501.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <1413727657.57896.YahooMailNeo@web193501.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5443C817.2040306@embarqmail.com>

I replied off-list with my instructions for adding the KXB3080 while 
avoiding desoldering of the components.
Those instructions can be found in the reflector archives too.
If anyone else would like a copy of those instructions, send me an email 
off-list.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/19/2014 10:07 AM, Johnny Siu wrote:
> Hello Elecrafters,
>
> I am building a KX1 for a ham who is unable to do that due to health reasons.  I notice that some modifications are required when building the KXB3080.  Therefore, is it necessary to complete the kx1 first before the kxb3080?  Is there anyway to afford duplicate some of the build and unbuilt process for the later installation of kxb3080?
>
> I remember when I built the K2, some installations for KSB2 can be done before the completion of K2.
>
>


From jameskvochick at me.com  Sun Oct 19 10:21:39 2014
From: jameskvochick at me.com (James kvochick)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:21:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Used (but operational) KAT2 Tuner
Message-ID: <4C5C4451-735A-430D-885A-A517C179DB70@me.com>

Hi,

I have an older ham friend who just loves his little K2 - he's very comfortable with the little rig.  He has recently been required to move his QTH, and doesn't have quite the antenna farm that he once had.

His K2 doesn't have the internal tuner.  It's my opinion that he would benefit with the addition of the device.

Before I slide over to Elecraft.com to purchase a new one, does anyone on the list have one for sale?  Perhaps from an upgrade to the 100 watt amplifier, or a kit you just never had a chance to put together?

Feel free to reply off list

73

Jim K8JK
(K8JK at arrl.net)


From lawlopez3 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 11:58:18 2014
From: lawlopez3 at gmail.com (Larry Lopez)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:58:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Tune works, XMIT button produced no power.
Message-ID: <1413734298945-7593998.post@n2.nabble.com>

transmit power is set to 10 watts.
mode is AM, but that doesn't seem to matter.

When I press tune into a dummy load/swr meter, it tunes normally:

   The K3 shows swr and power on it's meters.
   external swr meter show power also.
   swr is 0.0 on both the K3 and the external swr meter.
 

When I press xmit:
   The K3 shows swr nothing,   power shows one bar.
   Also, power does not show on an external swr meter.

I have no clue.

I was testing an old S2-30 antenna tuner into a dipole.

The antenna SG-230 tuner is completely out of the circuit now.




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From lawlopez3 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 12:04:46 2014
From: lawlopez3 at gmail.com (Larry Lopez)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Tune works, XMIT button produced no power.
In-Reply-To: <1413734298945-7593998.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Clarification:

I press the tune button and it tooks.

When I press the the xmit button little happens.

When I press and hold down the xmit button it goes into permanent rune mode
and it show output and swr just fine on the K3 and the swr meter.





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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 19 14:02:02 2014
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:02:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?
Message-ID: <8265519.1413741722612.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Curt wrote:

> I thought the K1 was the commercial version of the Sierra.

The...er...Sierra is the commercial version of the Sierra.  :-)
It's still sold by Wilderness Radio.

The Sierra is rather different from the K1.  Not least difference
being the four PIC controllers found in the K1/KFL1/KAT1/KNB1 combo,
and none in the Sierra.  It has always amazed me how non-existent
digital noise is in the K1.

There's an interesting article about the Sierra, with schematic showing
the IF stage design that is at the root of this thread, found here:

 http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Technology/tis/info/pdf/96hb1789.pdf

> Didn't the Sierra predate Elecraft?

Sierra = 1994, Elecraft = 1998, K1 = 2000

> BTW, the K1 is about the neatest QRP radio I own...

I agree.  It's sad to see its current reduced status in the Elecraft
catalog...but it *is* 14 years old.  Few other ham rigs besides
those from Elecraft survive for such long runs.

I'd give up almost every ham rig I've ever owned before I'd let my
K1 #175 get away.  I'm also pretty attached to three of Dave Benson's
DSW-series that I built.   Like the DSW's, when the K1 finally goes
away completely, many will count themselves lucky to own one,
especially if it has the four-band filter board.  At least the KX1
is still available for those who want a DDS QRP rig...but there's
nothing exactly comparable to the K1.

73,
Mike / KK5F

From k7mw78 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 14:13:57 2014
From: k7mw78 at gmail.com (Rick Dettinger)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:13:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 IF Amp Mod?
In-Reply-To: <8265519.1413741722612.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <8265519.1413741722612.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E7F2D0B8-7C4D-4F0C-B6A6-1C34F5E12127@gmail.com>

Maybe not.
The Sierra has been shown on the Wilderness Radio website as "out of stock" for quite a while now.
Too bad.  It was a very versatile kit.


73,
Rick Dettinger  K7MW





On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
> 
> The...er...Sierra is the commercial version of the Sierra.  :-)
> It's still sold by Wilderness Radio.
> 


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 19 14:53:51 2014
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:53:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <544408BF.4010302@coho.net>

Hello,
    Fire danger has lessened by a great deal.  I have not kept track of 
how many inches of rain have fallen this week.  It seems almost constant 
though :)

Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-

From jhpike at cox.net  Sun Oct 19 18:18:51 2014
From: jhpike at cox.net (Jon Pike)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 15:18:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 FW questions
Message-ID: <544438CB.2@cox.net>

In my continuing efforts of rediscovering my K2,  I'm wondering how 
badly I want the current FW versions.

I currently have 2.01f and 1.02,  not sure what/if it needs one the SSB 
version is.   I don't seem to be able to find a revision list of 
versions back down to mine,  just what's written up for the current last 
couple of 2.04 versions.

It's a 10W K2,  (embarrased to not remember my s/n!) have done a lot of 
the upgrades and fixes probably up to the '04 or so point in time. I 
have a lot, but not all of the options,  antenna tuner, SSB, 160m/RX, 
NB, KIO2?.... No AF or DSP.    So, I'm wondering what feature additions 
am I missing,  or am I pretty much OK as is?

Thanks...

Jon KA6MOK

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Oct 19 19:56:10 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:56:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 FW questions
In-Reply-To: <544438CB.2@cox.net>
References: <544438CB.2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <54444F9A.4060908@foothill.net>

My S/N [4398] is on a tag on the back of the K2. :-)  Mine is a 10W, 
ATU, SSB [which I've never used, no mic], AF filter.  No DSP, 160, or 
other accessories.  It was last aligned by Don, "The K2 Master."  It 
works perfectly, I use it on CW with my AlexLoop, mainly on summit 
activations and QRP field events.  So far as I know, it has the original 
MCU FW, it's buried in my SOTA Go-Bag and I don't have time to dig it 
out and fire it up to check right now, game about to start. :-)

For quite awhile, with the KPA100 and KAT100, I used it on RTTY. 
Finally sold the amp and ATU when I got tired of that.

I'd guess that you're just fine and "if it works, don't mess with it" 
may be the applicable maxim.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 10/19/2014 3:18 PM, Jon Pike wrote:

> It's a 10W K2,  (embarrased to not remember my s/n!) have done a lot of
> the upgrades and fixes probably up to the '04 or so point in time. I
> have a lot, but not all of the options,  antenna tuner, SSB, 160m/RX,
> NB, KIO2?.... No AF or DSP.    So, I'm wondering what feature additions
> am I missing,  or am I pretty much OK as is?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Jon KA6MOK



From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 19 21:05:51 2014
From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 FW questions
In-Reply-To: <544438CB.2@cox.net>
References: <544438CB.2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1413767151594-7594005.post@n2.nabble.com>



>I currently have 2.01f and 1.02,  not sure what/if it needs one the SSB 
>version is.   I don't seem to be able to find a revision list of 
>versions back down to mine,  just what's written up for the current last 
>couple of 2.04 versions.

Jon,

Go to the Elecraft website. Click on the Manuals and Downloads link. Scroll
down to the K2 link and click that. The first box is the K2 manual. In the
box to the right of that is a link to older manuals called Manuel Archives.
Click on that and scroll down to the K2 Fimware box. 2.01 is the only one
listed. Click on that.

Hope this helps. 

73, George NC5G



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 19 22:09:32 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:09:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 FW questions
In-Reply-To: <544438CB.2@cox.net>
References: <544438CB.2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <54446EDC.8040003@embarqmail.com>

Jon,

The major firmware upgrade was from MCU version 1.xx to 2.xx.  Since you 
have 2.01, you may not have any need to upgrade if you are satisfied 
with it.  Your K2 will work as well as any other with that firmware version.
The first upgrade from 2.01 was to 2.03, and I am sorry to say that I 
have forgotten what the added features were in that upgrade.
The change from 2.03 to 2.04 was mainly to support the more recent 
upgrades and options - the K2 Keying Modification and the addition of 
the K60XV option both required firmware changes.

If you have the K2/100, I would recommend the firmware upgrade and the 
addition of the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod, but if you have the K2/10, you 
may be happy with what you have now.

BTW, the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod is not currently available from 
Elecraft, but if you want to install it, I can tell you how in a 
separate off-list email.  I have already published it on-list, so you 
can find it in the archives.  If you have the K2/100 (or drive an 
amplifier with your K2/10), I highly recommend you add that mod to 
eliminate keyclicks that are not obvious with the K2/10, but become 
troublesome when an amp is added.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/19/2014 6:18 PM, Jon Pike wrote:
> In my continuing efforts of rediscovering my K2,  I'm wondering how 
> badly I want the current FW versions.
>
> I currently have 2.01f and 1.02,  not sure what/if it needs one the 
> SSB version is.   I don't seem to be able to find a revision list of 
> versions back down to mine,  just what's written up for the current 
> last couple of 2.04 versions.
>
> It's a 10W K2,  (embarrased to not remember my s/n!) have done a lot 
> of the upgrades and fixes probably up to the '04 or so point in time. 
> I have a lot, but not all of the options,  antenna tuner, SSB, 
> 160m/RX, NB, KIO2?.... No AF or DSP.    So, I'm wondering what feature 
> additions am I missing,  or am I pretty much OK as is?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Jon KA6MOK
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From rcrgs at verizon.net  Sun Oct 19 22:28:46 2014
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:28:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5444735E.30806@verizon.net>

Vic...
Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for a vertical?
...robert

On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
>
> I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that
> sits on the roof.

-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Sun Oct 19 22:48:13 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18 at videotron.ca)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:48:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <72b0d96926fbc.544477cc@videotron.ca>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com> <5444735E.30806@verizon.net>
	<729082ef27824.544475e1@videotron.ca>
	<73d0c88d28f1d.5444761e@videotron.ca>
	<7290c5b12bb82.5444765b@videotron.ca>
	<7470d69422024.54447698@videotron.ca>
	<7340e04520949.544476d6@videotron.ca>
	<72f0b8952d3aa.54447714@videotron.ca>
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	<7320fcdc2989f.5444778f@videotron.ca>
	<72b0d96926fbc.544477cc@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <7290f9602eaf5.54443fad@videotron.ca>

Hi Robert,I can't seem to find any other messages in the reflector about this topic. But in any case I have owned both a Cushcraft R6000, and a HyGain AV620.I used both for at least 6 months before moving to a cushcraft ma5b mini beam.
Both antennas seemed to offer similar performance. In this regard, I would give the edge to the hy-gain. Both were excellent for dx, I made many qrp qso's from Montreal to australia.
The cushcraft had one annoying feature: The minute it rained or snowed, the resonance went far off where it was when dry. 200khz on 20m for example. The elecraft tuner took care of it but it was annoying.
The hygain has a lot of threaded rods which need to be adjust to reach resonance. These rods are prone to seizing the nuts on them. But once they re set the antenna never shifted in resonance.
The hygain brought me up to 200+ DXCC's. But I can tell you this: Both are no substitute for the MA5B.
Both are extremely noisy. The MA5B gives two 2 S unit improvement as a minimum in almost all cases, but the noise floor dropped 15dB.
Anyways, they both are good antennas, but I would suppliment them with an active antenna and a noise phaser to null out the noise sources, which improves them considerably.
Hope this helps.
Tom 
va2fsq.com

On 10/19/14, Robert G Strickland  <rcrgs at verizon.net> wrote:
> Vic...
> Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for a vertical?
> ...robert
> 
> On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
> >
> >I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that
> >sits on the roof.
> 
> -- 
> Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
> rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
> Syracuse, New York, USA
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 01:57:10 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:57:10 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <5444735E.30806@verizon.net>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com> <5444735E.30806@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>

The main reason is that the Cushcraft R8 was one of the antennas in the 
comparison report on verticals by N0AX and K7LXC (cost $20 but worth it) 
here:

<http://www.championradio.com/HF-VERTICAL-PERFORMANCE-TEST-METHODS-RESULTS.3>

The Hy-Gain AV-640 is very similar, but appears to have a little more 
top loading and is a bit shorter. It is also less expensive.

Incidentally, yesterday afternoon we had a storm with remarkably high 
winds. I went up to look at the antenna and had to take care not to be 
blown down. I was /very/ glad I had guyed it at two locations. I may 
even add a third set of guys.

On 20 Oct 2014 05:28, Robert G Strickland wrote:
> Vic...
> Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for a vertical?
> ...robert
>
> On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
>>
>> I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that
>> sits on the roof.
>

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 02:00:04 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:00:04 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <7290f9602eaf5.54443fad@videotron.ca>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>
	<5444735E.30806@verizon.net>	<729082ef27824.544475e1@videotron.ca>	<73d0c88d28f1d.5444761e@videotron.ca>	<7290c5b12bb82.5444765b@videotron.ca>	<7470d69422024.54447698@videotron.ca>	<7340e04520949.544476d6@videotron.ca>	<72f0b8952d3aa.54447714@videotron.ca>	<737092c22b21f.54447751@videotron.ca>	<7320fcdc2989f.5444778f@videotron.ca>	<72b0d96926fbc.544477cc@videotron.ca>
	<7290f9602eaf5.54443fad@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <5444A4E4.2030500@gmail.com>

For what it's worth, the R6000 is very different from the R8.

On 20 Oct 2014 05:48, tomb18 at videotron.ca wrote:
> Hi Robert,I can't seem to find any other messages in the reflector
> about this topic. But in any case I have owned both a Cushcraft
> R6000, and a HyGain AV620.I used both for at least 6 months before
> moving to a cushcraft ma5b mini beam. Both antennas seemed to offer
> similar performance. In this regard, I would give the edge to the
> hy-gain. Both were excellent for dx, I made many qrp qso's from
> Montreal to australia. The cushcraft had one annoying feature: The
> minute it rained or snowed, the resonance went far off where it was
> when dry. 200khz on 20m for example. The elecraft tuner took care of
> it but it was annoying. The hygain has a lot of threaded rods which
> need to be adjust to reach resonance. These rods are prone to seizing
> the nuts on them. But once they re set the antenna never shifted in
> resonance. The hygain brought me up to 200+ DXCC's. But I can tell
> you this: Both are no substitute for the MA5B. Both are extremely
> noisy. The MA5B gives two 2 S unit improvement as a minimum in almost
> all cases, but the noise floor dropped 15dB. Anyways, they both are
> good antennas, but I would suppliment them with an active antenna and
> a noise phaser to null out the noise sources, which improves them
> considerably. Hope this helps. Tom va2fsq.com
>
> On 10/19/14, Robert G Strickland  <rcrgs at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Vic... Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for
>> a vertical? ...robert
>>
>> On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
>>>
>>> I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack)
>>> that sits on the roof.
>>
>> -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
>> Syracuse, New York, USA


-- 
Vic

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From Ralf at super-deutschland.net  Mon Oct 20 04:45:24 2014
From: Ralf at super-deutschland.net (DL6OAP)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 01:45:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - dBV question
Message-ID: <1413794724775-7594011.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

I have been playing around with the "dBV-Feature" of my KX3 for some time. I
understood how to use it and that it measures a relative input level into
the AF stage of the KX3, but my question is if there is any kind of "data
processing" involved, in other words: the display is updated roughly once in
a second, and my question is if is the input level to the AF stage just
being sampled once a second, is the value being displayed something like the
peak level that occured during this one second interval between two updates
of the value or is something like the average of the signal level during
this second being displayed?

We have been discussing the "system advantage" of CW compared to SSB in the
german QRP facebook group, I tried to measure my personal ability to copy
weak SSB and CW signals by using this dBV display, but am not sure, if I can
compare the values directly, since I do not know how the data is being
generated and processed. Maybe someone on the list or at Elecraft can help
me out.


Vy 73

Ralf, DL6OAP




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From pincon at erols.com  Mon Oct 20 08:14:43 2014
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:14:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com> <5444735E.30806@verizon.net>
	<5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6A2EBE9C6FD4DFC8F41404B816EC6FE@pinnacle05df05>

I'm assuming you DO know that MFJ now owns Cush-Craft as well as Hy-Gain. 
Check the addresses in their ads.

Starkville Miss.

73, Charlie k3ICH


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High vertical


> The main reason is that the Cushcraft R8 was one of the antennas in the 
> comparison report on verticals by N0AX and K7LXC (cost $20 but worth it) 
> here:
>
> <http://www.championradio.com/HF-VERTICAL-PERFORMANCE-TEST-METHODS-RESULTS.3>
>
> The Hy-Gain AV-640 is very similar, but appears to have a little more top 
> loading and is a bit shorter. It is also less expensive.
>
> Incidentally, yesterday afternoon we had a storm with remarkably high 
> winds. I went up to look at the antenna and had to take care not to be 
> blown down. I was /very/ glad I had guyed it at two locations. I may even 
> add a third set of guys.
>
> On 20 Oct 2014 05:28, Robert G Strickland wrote:
>> Vic...
>> Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for a vertical?
>> ...robert
>>
>> On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
>>>
>>> I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that
>>> sits on the roof.
>>
>
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 08:31:16 2014
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - dBV question
In-Reply-To: <1413794724775-7594011.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413794724775-7594011.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <EE1BAB9E-B474-4C78-A785-01E29E7F3D1C@gmail.com>

The DSP uses audio samples at a 12 kHz rate and performs a true RMS calculation on the samples.  The result is computed over the display update time (1 second?) the buffer flushed and the process repeated..

73,

Lyle KK7P

> ... but am not sure, if I can
> compare the values directly, since I do not know how the data is being
> generated and processed. Maybe someone on the list or at Elecraft can help
> me out.

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 09:35:21 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:35:21 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <E6A2EBE9C6FD4DFC8F41404B816EC6FE@pinnacle05df05>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>
	<5444735E.30806@verizon.net>	<5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>
	<E6A2EBE9C6FD4DFC8F41404B816EC6FE@pinnacle05df05>
Message-ID: <54450F99.8000909@gmail.com>

Of course. So what? They are different antennas.

On 20 Oct 2014 15:14, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> I'm assuming you DO know that MFJ now owns Cush-Craft as well as
> Hy-Gain. Check the addresses in their ads.
>
> Starkville Miss.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP"
> <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High vertical
>
>
>> The main reason is that the Cushcraft R8 was one of the antennas in
>> the comparison report on verticals by N0AX and K7LXC (cost $20 but
>> worth it) here:
>>
>> <http://www.championradio.com/HF-VERTICAL-PERFORMANCE-TEST-METHODS-RESULTS.3>
>>
>>
>> The Hy-Gain AV-640 is very similar, but appears to have a little more
>> top loading and is a bit shorter. It is also less expensive.
>>
>> Incidentally, yesterday afternoon we had a storm with remarkably high
>> winds. I went up to look at the antenna and had to take care not to be
>> blown down. I was /very/ glad I had guyed it at two locations. I may
>> even add a third set of guys.
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2014 05:28, Robert G Strickland wrote:
>>> Vic...
>>> Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for a vertical?
>>> ...robert
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that
>>>> sits on the roof.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> 73,
>> Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From ralf at super-deutschland.net  Mon Oct 20 09:52:35 2014
From: ralf at super-deutschland.net (Ralf Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:52:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - dBV question
In-Reply-To: <EE1BAB9E-B474-4C78-A785-01E29E7F3D1C@gmail.com>
References: <1413794724775-7594011.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<EE1BAB9E-B474-4C78-A785-01E29E7F3D1C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B65AC359-825B-4701-85EA-E93138582791@super-deutschland.net>

Hi Lyle,

So I actually measure a quantity that is proportional to the energy (signal + noise) that has been "collected" in the display update time, am I getting this right?

Greetings

Ralf, DL6OAP



Am 20.10.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Lyle

> The DSP uses audio samples at a 12 kHz rate and performs a true RMS calculation on the samples.  The result is computed over the display update time (1 second?) the buffer flushed and the process repeated..
> 
> 73,
> 
> Lyle KK7P
> 
>> ... but am not sure, if I can
>> compare the values directly, since I do not know how the data is being
>> generated and processed. Maybe someone on the list or at Elecraft can help
>> me out.

From kb0ne.ars at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 09:58:15 2014
From: kb0ne.ars at gmail.com (kb0ne.ars at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 User Help Needed PLS
In-Reply-To: <CAD+2GytpofVsPG5Mb5x6WKm5ZXjsqf3UdihOkRrvJksj_r3CpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+2GysdRn=-Pe-_J-LqV=1kb6hbJHeLAg8cp2NqjkH_urhNqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+2GytpofVsPG5Mb5x6WKm5ZXjsqf3UdihOkRrvJksj_r3CpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1413813495778-7594016.post@n2.nabble.com>

>What else do I need to turn on in the KX3?

--
>Jim K9TF

Jim,
   It's advisable to do the "opposite sideband reduction" procedure also
listed in the PX3 manual.   What this buys you is the elimination of extra
bogus signals that show up on the PX3 display which are generated inside
the KX3.   The adjustment actually adjusts the KX3 by using the built in
signal generator and software control of the PX3.

   Be sure to follow the instructions as written/shown.

----------------------

John at KB0NE, amateur radio station



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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 20 10:03:28 2014
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:03:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - dBV question
In-Reply-To: <1413794724775-7594011.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413794724775-7594011.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <555a4a5ch74hj2puaemvb1l13ii2qg5qbm@4ax.com>

Hi Ralf,

Lyle explained how the dBV value is derived.  It's a pretty useful
measurement.

One way to use it is to disable AGC, then measure different signal
levels.  This makes dBV a linear measurement, up until the signal
level causes hardware AGC to activate.  

Be cautious with your hearing when AGC is disabled.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 01:45:24 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have been playing around with the "dBV-Feature" of my KX3 for some time. I
>understood how to use it and that it measures a relative input level into
>the AF stage of the KX3, but my question is if there is any kind of "data
>processing" involved, in other words: the display is updated roughly once in
>a second, and my question is if is the input level to the AF stage just
>being sampled once a second, is the value being displayed something like the
>peak level that occured during this one second interval between two updates
>of the value or is something like the average of the signal level during
>this second being displayed?
>
>We have been discussing the "system advantage" of CW compared to SSB in the
>german QRP facebook group, I tried to measure my personal ability to copy
>weak SSB and CW signals by using this dBV display, but am not sure, if I can
>compare the values directly, since I do not know how the data is being
>generated and processed. Maybe someone on the list or at Elecraft can help
>me out.
>
>
>Vy 73
>
>Ralf, DL6OAP
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will
spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln

From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct 20 10:05:06 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com> <5444735E.30806@verizon.net>
	<5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54451692.70107@subich.com>


 > The Hy-Gain AV-640 is very similar, but appears to have a little more
 > top loading and is a bit shorter. It is also less expensive.

The Hy-Gain AV series verticals are electrically similar to the
Cushcraft equivalents.  However, the Hy-Gain antennas seem to be less
mechanically "robust" and reports I've received from Hy-Gain owners 
indicate the "finish" is less on the Hy-Gain than the Cushcraft (even
though both are MFJ companies).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-20 1:57 AM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
> The main reason is that the Cushcraft R8 was one of the antennas in the
> comparison report on verticals by N0AX and K7LXC (cost $20 but worth it)
> here:
>
> <http://www.championradio.com/HF-VERTICAL-PERFORMANCE-TEST-METHODS-RESULTS.3>
>
>
> The Hy-Gain AV-640 is very similar, but appears to have a little more
> top loading and is a bit shorter. It is also less expensive.
>
> Incidentally, yesterday afternoon we had a storm with remarkably high
> winds. I went up to look at the antenna and had to take care not to be
> blown down. I was /very/ glad I had guyed it at two locations. I may
> even add a third set of guys.
>
> On 20 Oct 2014 05:28, Robert G Strickland wrote:
>> Vic...
>> Any thoughts on choosing the Cushcraft over the Hy-Gain for a vertical?
>> ...robert
>>
>> On 10/18/2014 14:55, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP wrote:
>>>
>>> I put up an R8 vertical on a small building (containing my shack) that
>>> sits on the roof.
>>
>

From kb0ne.ars at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 10:05:52 2014
From: kb0ne.ars at gmail.com (kb0ne.ars at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 User Help Needed PLS
In-Reply-To: <1413813495778-7594016.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAD+2GysdRn=-Pe-_J-LqV=1kb6hbJHeLAg8cp2NqjkH_urhNqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+2GytpofVsPG5Mb5x6WKm5ZXjsqf3UdihOkRrvJksj_r3CpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1413813495778-7594016.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1413813952328-7594018.post@n2.nabble.com>

RE Power cable:
  Forgot to add: why don't you just put a fuse holder and a 1 amp fuse in
series with the power cable that came with the PX3?
The PX3 will draw considerably less current than 1 amp.   Also mentioned in
the manual is that you need to make sure the voltage polarity of the cable
is correct and to plug the cable in before applying power to prevent
accidentally shorting of the center conductor in the plug while trying to
plug in.

KB0NE



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From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com  Mon Oct 20 10:08:57 2014
From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 shows vertical green stripes on waterfall
Message-ID: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>

Hello all, I am trying to figure out why our P3 panadapter sometimes but not always shows a group of vertical green stripes that cover about 1/6 of the width of the screen.  These stripes are not related to RF frequency because if I switch bands they remain in the same location.  If I remain on one band and twirl the VFO knob, real radio signals move into the green stripes but the stripes themselves are immobile.  

Sometimes these are not there at all. Sometimes they are near the left of the screen, more often toward the middle.

Wayne gave some instructions for investigating this on PX3,but this is P3.
Any ideas?

Am I correct that these cannot be related to real RF interference due to the above facts? Wouldn't real RF be frequency-related? We do sometimes get RF interference that shows as periodic narrow lines on the waterfall, but these wide stripes are different.

THANKS!
Julie KT4JR


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 10:39:35 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal K2VCO/4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:39:35 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 shows vertical green stripes on waterfall
In-Reply-To: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>
References: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>
Message-ID: <54451EA7.6030700@gmail.com>

Various kinds of 'junk' on the screen have been reported to be caused by 
coax jumpers with poor shield contact at one or both ends. Try another 
cable if you haven't already.

On 20 Oct 2014 17:08, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote:
> Hello all, I am trying to figure out why our P3 panadapter sometimes
> but not always shows a group of vertical green stripes that cover
> about 1/6 of the width of the screen.  These stripes are not related
> to RF frequency because if I switch bands they remain in the same
> location.  If I remain on one band and twirl the VFO knob, real radio
> signals move into the green stripes but the stripes themselves are
> immobile.
>
> Sometimes these are not there at all. Sometimes they are near the
> left of the screen, more often toward the middle.
>
> Wayne gave some instructions for investigating this on PX3,but this
> is P3. Any ideas?
>
> Am I correct that these cannot be related to real RF interference due
> to the above facts? Wouldn't real RF be frequency-related? We do
> sometimes get RF interference that shows as periodic narrow lines on
> the waterfall, but these wide stripes are different.
>
> THANKS! Julie KT4JR


-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO/4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 20 11:11:55 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Tom via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8D1BA8F3623EF9D-1434-3BDF6@webmail-va086.sysops.aol.com>

http://prestige-kmv.com/images/thats.php?4pokye0goxs20












Tom Maxwell
maxwelltl at aol.com





_________
Too clever is dumb. -- Ogden Nash

From jsk3wwp at windstream.net  Mon Oct 20 12:00:14 2014
From: jsk3wwp at windstream.net (K3WWP)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:00:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 RIT Question
Message-ID: <000c01cfec7e$efacfe00$cf06fa00$@windstream.net>

When I use the KX3 RIT, I get a red 'transmit' cursor on the PX3 which is
great. However when I press the 'B' knob to reset the RIT to zero, the RIT
resets, but the red cursor remains on the PX3 until I slightly turn the 'B'
knob, then it disappears. Just turning the 'B' knob (without pressing it) to
reset the RIT to zero gets rid of the red cursor as soon as zero is reached.
Everything works fine with Split. Turning off Split gets rid of the red
cursor immediately. I haven't tried XIT to see what happens with it because
I never use XIT. Any ideas what's going on?

* John K3WWP - 100% CW / QRP - Proudly promoting Morse Code:
*
* On the air with my KX3 #2325, K2 #6418, KX-1 #02101
*
* As retired NAQCC VP - # 0002 FC # 1 - http://naqcc.info/
*
* As retired FISTS Keynote QRP Columnist - # 2002 - http://www.fists.org/
*
* With my CW-QRP site - http://home.windstream.net/johnshan/

 











From phils at riousa.com  Mon Oct 20 12:23:29 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:23:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 10/19/2014
In-Reply-To: <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com>
References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com>
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	<3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF
	6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com>
	<C0768489-DC86-42F3-840C-73D47C0344D3@riousa.com>
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Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from October 19, 2014.  We had 27 participants.  

Station		Name		QTH		Rig		S/N

K4GCJ		Gerry		NC		K3		1597
NC0JW		Jim			CO		KX3		1356
WB5JJA		Roy			OK		K3		7877
WO1I		Dick			MA		K3		911
K1NW		Brian		RI		K3		4974
W8OV		Dave		TX		K3		3139
KF5IMA		Bruce		TX		K2		3575
K8NU		Carl			OH		K3		7976
K2TNQ		Len			NJ		K3		5270
W0FM		Terry			MO		K3		474
K6DSW		Don			CA		K3		3138
KF7JZH		Ron			ID		KX3		2262	QRP
W4RKS		Jim			TX		K3		3618
AD5IJ		Howard		OR		KX3		5178	QRP
KK5IB		Darryl		AR		K3		7167
WW4JF		John			TN		K3		6185
W1IS		Bob			MA		K3		6762
N6JW		John			CA		K3		936
KN5L		John			TX		K3		4448
W4STN		Bill			GA		KX3		4330
WB7SOE		Eric			WA		K3		8132
W7JJL		John			WA		KX3		993
KK4QDZ		Bill			NC		KX3		4515
W7QHD		Kurt			AZ		K2		1538
K6WDE		Dave		HI		KX3		4599
ZL1PWD		Peter		NZ		K3		139
NS7P		Phil			OR		K3		1826

Correction:  Last week?s report listed Cary as W4TM.  His call is actually K4TM.  Sorry, Cary.

73,
Phil, NS7P

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 12:30:53 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:30:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8D1BA8F3623EF9D-1434-3BDF6@webmail-va086.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1BA8F3623EF9D-1434-3BDF6@webmail-va086.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc0JFBrQt0JMmbo1BeRvWNk9WQCtukjwK0L8q8CS6NwGJQ@mail.gmail.com>

This would be from someone whose email has been hacked. It's spam for a
diet product.  73, Guy

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Tom via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> wrote:

> http://prestige-kmv.com/images/thats.php?4pokye0goxs20
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Maxwell
> maxwelltl at aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _________
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From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 20 12:38:41 2014
From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:38:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 shows vertical green stripes on waterfall
In-Reply-To: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>
References: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>
Message-ID: <54453A91.40604@ntlworld.com>

Sound like TFT screen h/w related.... I got a laptop that does something 
similar with an external monitor IF the screen cable gets kinked or is 
not connected properly. Check all the cables and connectors and vertical 
lines or a somewhat 'green' image cleans up. I'd take a look at the P3 
connections and cables.

72

Dom
M1KTA


On 20/10/14 15:08, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote:
> Hello all, I am trying to figure out why our P3 panadapter sometimes but not always shows a group of vertical green stripes that cover about 1/6 of the width of the screen.  These stripes are not related to RF frequency because if I switch bands they remain in the same location.  If I remain on one band and twirl the VFO knob, real radio signals move into the green stripes but the stripes themselves are immobile.
>
> Sometimes these are not there at all. Sometimes they are near the left of the screen, more often toward the middle.
>
> Wayne gave some instructions for investigating this on PX3,but this is P3.
> Any ideas?
>
> Am I correct that these cannot be related to real RF interference due to the above facts? Wouldn't real RF be frequency-related? We do sometimes get RF interference that shows as periodic narrow lines on the waterfall, but these wide stripes are different.
>
> THANKS!
> Julie KT4JR
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 20 13:31:14 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:31:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 shows vertical green stripes on waterfall
In-Reply-To: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>
References: <20141020140857.YPAED.95107.root@cdptpa-web20>
Message-ID: <1413826274857-7594027.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Julie, 

It almost sounds like you have the span set very narrow and what you are
seeing is the center frequency marker.   What happens when you adjust the
span, does the green stripe change width?  If you would, please take a
screen shot of the display using the P3 Utility and email it to me.  My
email is pauls at elecraft....

Kind regards, 

Paul n6hz





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From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 20 14:29:03 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:29:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 RIT Question
In-Reply-To: <000c01cfec7e$efacfe00$cf06fa00$@windstream.net>
References: <000c01cfec7e$efacfe00$cf06fa00$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <1413829743046-7594028.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi John, 

I just verified this on my unit here at Elecraft.  Thanks, it looks like you
found a bug between the KX3 and PX3.  I think the KX3 is probably not
telling the PX3 that the RIT was cleared. 


Kind regards, 

Paul

 






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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Oct 20 14:36:20 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:36:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <54450F99.8000909@gmail.com>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>	<5444735E.30806@verizon.net>	<5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>	<E6A2EBE9C6FD4DFC8F41404B816EC6FE@pinnacle05df05>
	<54450F99.8000909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54455624.3080505@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

They will be as long as MFJ leaves them as separate operations and 
builds the same antennas.

When they start reducing redundancy and merging the engineering groups, 
they'll become more similar until the only difference is branding.

On 10/20/2014 6:35 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Of course. So what? They are different antennas.
>
> On 20 Oct 2014 15:14, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> I'm assuming you DO know that MFJ now owns Cush-Craft as well as
>> Hy-Gain. Check the addresses in their ads.
>>
>> Starkville Miss.
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>

From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Oct 20 15:10:31 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:10:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0JFBrQt0JMmbo1BeRvWNk9WQCtukjwK0L8q8CS6NwGJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D1BA8F3623EF9D-1434-3BDF6@webmail-va086.sysops.aol.com>
	<CANckpc0JFBrQt0JMmbo1BeRvWNk9WQCtukjwK0L8q8CS6NwGJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54455E27.3080602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I would hope we're all smart enough to not even click on the links.  
There are too many "browse-by" viruses out there.

On 10/20/2014 9:30 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> This would be from someone whose email has been hacked. It's spam for a
> diet product.  73, Guy
>
>


From turnbull at net1.ie  Mon Oct 20 15:50:51 2014
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:50:51 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] High vertical
In-Reply-To: <54455624.3080505@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <54427F4F.4080001@gmail.com>	<5444735E.30806@verizon.net>	<5444A436.3070508@gmail.com>	<E6A2EBE9C6FD4DFC8F41404B816EC6FE@pinnacle05df05><54450F99.8000909@gmail.com>
	<54455624.3080505@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <0F0B817C8B4E41B7832AB28FC627B56A@DOUG1>

Friends,
     I am a MFJ fan but would not reckon HyGain or Cush-Craft employ
engineers these days.   There has not been a new product from either of
these makes in many years.    I am still glad though that the likes of my
first commercial antenna a 14 AVS now 14 AVQ is available.    The Hy-Gain
mono-banders were not such bad antennas and at least one can still install
them.   Yes, maybe quality has dropped but they would not be with us at all
but for MFJ.

       73 	Doug EI2CN   

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lynn
W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Sent: 20 October 2014 18:36
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High vertical

They will be as long as MFJ leaves them as separate operations and 
builds the same antennas.

When they start reducing redundancy and merging the engineering groups, 
they'll become more similar until the only difference is branding.

On 10/20/2014 6:35 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Of course. So what? They are different antennas.
>
> On 20 Oct 2014 15:14, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> I'm assuming you DO know that MFJ now owns Cush-Craft as well as
>> Hy-Gain. Check the addresses in their ads.
>>
>> Starkville Miss.
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
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From eaosc at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 20 19:09:59 2014
From: eaosc at roadrunner.com (Gene)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:09:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
Message-ID: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com>

I have noticed that signals on 40 meters do not appear very strong on my 
K3.  The audio and signal strength is very low. Other hams in the area 
hear signals S9 +5 while these only register S1 at best on the K3. 
Antenna type and height are almost identical as I have.

Attenuator is not on and noise reduction has minimal effect. Turning up 
the RF gain does not help. Signals on other bands seem to be normal.  
Has anyone experienced this?

Gene,
W2BXR

From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 19:12:39 2014
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:12:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <544596E7.9040905@comcast.net>


On 10/20/2014 5:09 PM, Gene wrote:
> I have noticed that signals on 40 meters do not appear very strong on 
> my K3.  The audio and signal strength is very low. Other hams in the 
> area hear signals S9 +5 while these only register S1 at best on the 
> K3. Antenna type and height are almost identical as I have.
>
> Attenuator is not on and noise reduction has minimal effect. Turning 
> up the RF gain does not help. Signals on other bands seem to be 
> normal.  Has anyone experienced this?

Check to be sure you don't have the RX antenna input selected on 40m 
without an RX antenna connected. This feature is remembered per band.

Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 20 19:17:47 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>

Gene,

Do you have the correct antenna input selected?  ANT1/2 if the KAT3 is 
installed, or RX ANT if the KXV3 is installed.  It sounds like you may 
have the RX ANT selected rather than the main antenna.  That is a 
per-band setting, so it would only be a "problem" on one band.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/20/2014 7:09 PM, Gene wrote:
> I have noticed that signals on 40 meters do not appear very strong on 
> my K3.  The audio and signal strength is very low. Other hams in the 
> area hear signals S9 +5 while these only register S1 at best on the 
> K3. Antenna type and height are almost identical as I have.
>
> Attenuator is not on and noise reduction has minimal effect. Turning 
> up the RF gain does not help. Signals on other bands seem to be 
> normal.  Has anyone experienced this?
>


From eaosc at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 20 19:34:16 2014
From: eaosc at roadrunner.com (Gene)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:34:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
Message-ID: <54459BF8.2050604@roadrunner.com>

Problems solved.  I had RX on by mistake and only on 40.

Thanks to all that responded.

73, Gene
W2BXR

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 20:18:05 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:18:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com> <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Gene,

:>))

Please note that at last count 98.91% of all K3 owners have pulled that
wrong antenna per band stunt on themselves and spent at least an hour
looking elsewhere for the problem. 95% of the 98.91 have done it twice. 90%
of the 95 have done it three times or more. 50% of the 90 have trouble
remembering that for more than six months at a stretch and do it again on a
more or less semi-annual basis.

Those of us who have officially become olde phartes, no longer report such
events to the statistical data base, and have no intention whatsoever of
telling anyone how many times we *really* do that to ourselves.

The price for all that wonderful K3 technical flexibility.

In any event, welcome to the Royalle Fraternitie of RX Antennae Selection
F***-Ups. You have arrived.

73, Guy.



On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Gene,
>
> Do you have the correct antenna input selected?  ANT1/2 if the KAT3 is
> installed, or RX ANT if the KXV3 is installed.  It sounds like you may have
> the RX ANT selected rather than the main antenna.  That is a per-band
> setting, so it would only be a "problem" on one band.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/20/2014 7:09 PM, Gene wrote:
>
>> I have noticed that signals on 40 meters do not appear very strong on my
>> K3.  The audio and signal strength is very low. Other hams in the area hear
>> signals S9 +5 while these only register S1 at best on the K3. Antenna type
>> and height are almost identical as I have.
>>
>> Attenuator is not on and noise reduction has minimal effect. Turning up
>> the RF gain does not help. Signals on other bands seem to be normal.  Has
>> anyone experienced this?
>>
>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Oct 20 21:57:51 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:57:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com> <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5445BD9F.4070704@foothill.net>

Aside from the well known fact that 86.41% of the adult population makes 
up their own statistics, I'm part of Guy's 98.91%.  30m was dead and 
infinite SWR.  Wayne called me, said "Let's start with the easy part" 
... and everyone can finish the story.  I've now done it twice on my K3, 
second time I knew what to check.  I had this same problem on 2m with my 
FT-847 on 2m FM, couldn't raise the local repeater ... 2m coax connected 
to the 6m connector, nothing in the 2m connector.  No one called me from 
Japan. :-((

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 10/20/2014 5:18 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Dear Gene,
>
> :>))
>
> Please note that at last count 98.91% of all K3 owners have pulled that
> wrong antenna per band stunt on themselves and spent at least an hour
> looking elsewhere for the problem. 95% of the 98.91 have done it twice. 90%
> of the 95 have done it three times or more. 50% of the 90 have trouble
> remembering that for more than six months at a stretch and do it again on a
> more or less semi-annual basis.
>
> Those of us who have officially become olde phartes, no longer report such
> events to the statistical data base, and have no intention whatsoever of
> telling anyone how many times we *really* do that to ourselves.
>
> The price for all that wonderful K3 technical flexibility.
>
> In any event, welcome to the Royalle Fraternitie of RX Antennae Selection
> F***-Ups. You have arrived.



From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Oct 20 22:10:12 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:10:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com> <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5445C084.6060201@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Besides, 87.4% of all statistics are made up.

On 10/20/2014 5:18 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Those of us who have officially become olde phartes, no longer report such
> events to the statistical data base, and have no intention whatsoever of
> telling anyone how many times we*really*  do that to ourselves.


From phystad at mac.com  Mon Oct 20 22:14:31 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:14:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <5445C084.6060201@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com> <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5445C084.6060201@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <9AB05088-AF94-4C68-BECD-7DB24E7842FF@mac.com>

> Besides, 87.4% of all statistics are made up.


Therefore, it is very likely you just made up that number 87.4%.

From tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 20 22:25:53 2014
From: tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net (Terry)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:25:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <9AB05088-AF94-4C68-BECD-7DB24E7842FF@mac.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com>
	<5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>	<CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>	<5445C084.6060201@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<9AB05088-AF94-4C68-BECD-7DB24E7842FF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5445C431.3050104@sbcglobal.net>

Numbers are like people.  If you torture them enough they will tell you 
what you want.

Terry, KQ5U


On 10/20/2014 9:14 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Besides, 87.4% of all statistics are made up.
>
> Therefore, it is very likely you just made up that number 87.4%.
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Mon Oct 20 22:28:58 2014
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 02:28:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16372.1413850738.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>

I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
Presently it goes K3-KPA500-KAT500 then 100 ft coax to the base of an
inverted Vee?s center support pole (collapsible fiberglass), then 30 feet
up the pole to a 1:1 balun feeding a fanned 10-15-20 Vee.  The idea, for a
couple of reasons, is to put the choke at the base of the pole, something
I haven?t seen discussed in the literature.  Two questions I am wondering
about:  1. The choke would be 100 feet from the tuner and about 25 feet
from the antenna/balun.  Probably not as good as having it right at the
Vee, but is that compromise worth while?  2.  For appearance sake I am
thinking about winding the coax around the base of the support pole.  It
is 2 inches in diameter but I could slip a 3 inch PVC over that section to
increase the diameter.  Anyone know an algorithm for determining the
number of turns in the winding if I do that?  I would be much obliged for
any thoughts and suggestions . . .   Tnx!

Ted, KN1CBR


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Oct 20 22:48:29 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:48:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <B64C9B34-E2D9-489E-8B49-8962F72030DE@wunderwood.org>

A choke in the middle of the transmission line could help, but the usual configuration is a current balun at the antenna to reject common-mode signals at the source, plus an optional choke at the entrance to the shack to reject noise picked up by the outside of the coax shield.

A coiled-coax choke works OK, but you get the best rejection from a toroid-based choke or balun. I?ve had good results with the ones from Balun Designs (http://www.balundesigns.com).

Putting a Balun Designs balun at my dipole dropped the noise by 6dB.

I highly recommend K9YC?s super-detailed explanation of fighting noise in your antenna and elsewhere in your shack.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
> Presently it goes K3-KPA500-KAT500 then 100 ft coax to the base of an
> inverted Vee?s center support pole (collapsible fiberglass), then 30 feet
> up the pole to a 1:1 balun feeding a fanned 10-15-20 Vee.  The idea, for a
> couple of reasons, is to put the choke at the base of the pole, something
> I haven?t seen discussed in the literature.  Two questions I am wondering
> about:  1. The choke would be 100 feet from the tuner and about 25 feet
> from the antenna/balun.  Probably not as good as having it right at the
> Vee, but is that compromise worth while?  2.  For appearance sake I am
> thinking about winding the coax around the base of the support pole.  It
> is 2 inches in diameter but I could slip a 3 inch PVC over that section to
> increase the diameter.  Anyone know an algorithm for determining the
> number of turns in the winding if I do that?  I would be much obliged for
> any thoughts and suggestions . . .   Tnx!
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Oct 20 23:02:18 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <5445CCBA.5080206@foothill.net>

On 10/20/2014 7:28 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
> Presently it goes K3-KPA500-KAT500 then 100 ft coax to the base of an
> inverted Vee?s center support pole (collapsible fiberglass), then 30 feet
> up the pole to a 1:1 balun feeding a fanned 10-15-20 Vee.  The idea, for a
> couple of reasons, is to put the choke at the base of the pole, something
> I haven?t seen discussed in the literature.

Are you having common-mode RF problems in your shack?

Two questions I am wondering
> about:  1. The choke would be 100 feet from the tuner and about 25 feet
> from the antenna/balun.  Probably not as good as having it right at the
> Vee, but is that compromise worth while?

Maybe, every installation is unique.

2.  For appearance sake I am
> thinking about winding the coax around the base of the support pole.  It
> is 2 inches in diameter but I could slip a 3 inch PVC over that section to
> increase the diameter.

If you're having RFITS problems ["RF In The Shack"], there are better 
and far less visually obvious ways to suppress that using common mode 
ferrite chokes than winding up your coax around anything.  If you don't 
have RFITS problems, "nothing" might be the best course of action

> Anyone know an algorithm for determining the
> number of turns in the winding if I do that?

Air inductor equations are in the ARRL Handbook and ARRL Antenna Book. 
If you really need to do this, I'll suggest you look at the publications 
from Jim, K9YC, at audiosystems.com first ... he pretty well has this 
subject knocked.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 20 23:31:35 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:31:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <5445D397.9040006@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/20/2014 7:28 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.

Although it's all over the literature, a coil of coax is NOT an 
effective common mode choke. I've discussed this at length in 
k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

What do you mean by "antenna/balun?" The word "balun" describes at least 
a dozen different things. What problem are you trying to solve?

73, Jim K9YC

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 20 23:40:40 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (edward kacura via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:40:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  K2 QRP & 100 watt amp/tuner in EC 2.
Message-ID: <1413862840.43804.YahooMailNeo@web310203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm downsizing since retirement earlier this year, will be on the road with the travel trailer. These item need a new home instead of sitting packed away. I have my KX3, PX3 along with the KXPA 100, it all fits nicely in the trailer.

The K2, s/n 6576, was built in late 2011 by Dale Putnam WC7S, with the complete Rework Eliminator kit.
Installed in it are SSB option, Antenna tuner, KDSP2 filter with clock, KIO2 RS-232 interface, KBT2 battery kit, no battery.There's an unbuilt noise blanker. There's a weighted VFO knob installed, and an extra top cabinet panel with speaker installed.

All the manuals included, along with a MH-2 hand mic and headset adapter. There's two unopened Rework Eliminator kits, KXPD1 clamp for the KX1 paddles to mount to the K2 bail, a cable for connecting the NUE-PSK modem (modem not included).

In a separate enclosure is the KPA/KAT 100 amp/tuner with cables to hook to the K2. Both radio and amp are in great condition. Asking $1500.00 for the package, new this would cost almost $2400.00..

I will double box and insure, and pay the shipping, only lower 48 thou, no overseas. Paypal, or money order works for me. You will get two boxes with the K2.

As with all used electronic equipment, there's no return or refund. You will get working radios when they leave me.

Contact me off-line at ekacura at yahoo.com mailto:ekacura at yahoo.com, or call my cell and leave a msg. 520-490-5395. ( I don't always hear the cell with my hearing aids)

From clive at thelortons.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 05:46:42 2014
From: clive at thelortons.co.uk (Clive Lorton)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:46:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54459647.20904@roadrunner.com> <5445981B.2060005@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54462B82.7080401@thelortons.co.uk>


On 21/10/2014 01:18, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Those of us who have officially become olde phartes, no longer report such
> events to the statistical data base, and have no intention whatsoever of
> telling anyone how many times we *really* do that to ourselves.
Being a fully paid up member of the Old Pharts Club if I make a change 
to the configuration I then make a backup. Then if I  F*** it up, before 
I try anything else I do a restore that usually and somewhat, magically, 
cures the problem :-)
> The price for all that wonderful K3 technical flexibility.
Absolutely.

Clive G8POC

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 07:41:02 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:41:02 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] running KX3 macros from PX3 function buttons
Message-ID: <61C1BC8E-515C-4C85-88DA-22A3D5CAFF0E@gmail.com>

One of the limitations of the KX3 is that there are only two programable PF keys. The PX3 has more function keys available, and I'm wondering if anyone has thought of the possibility of firing off macros on the KX3 by pressing the function keys of the PX3.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Tue Oct 21 08:29:38 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <544651B2.2000805@nexicom.net>

You say a 1:1 balun.    What type is it and  should it not be preventing 
common mode currents?   If not Id consider one that will rather than 
adding a choke.  I bought a commercial 1:1 Balun  opened it up and found 
it to be just a length of RG8X looped once inside the casing with half a 
dozen ferrites around it.  What I have done is have ground rods at the 
base of the pole.   I am using a 10-80 +warc fan dipole that looks a 
little like a flattened spider web supported with guyed camouflage tent 
poles to about 40 ft   I have 6 ferrites on the coax at the feed  the 
ones I got out of the commercial balun. Then at the base I have several 
5 ft copper pipes driven into the ground  around the pole about 5 ft 
apart  all bonded together with 6 gauge bare copper that is also burred 
a few inched below the surface  safe from the lawn mower.  I have a 
barrel connector at the base that lets me connect the shield  to this 
ground    I have no common mode issues. at least I have not experienced 
any.


David VE3SD

On 10/20/2014 22:28, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
> Presently it goes K3-KPA500-KAT500 then 100 ft coax to the base of an
> inverted Vee?s center support pole (collapsible fiberglass), then 30 feet
> up the pole to a 1:1 balun feeding a fanned 10-15-20 Vee.  The idea, for a
> couple of reasons, is to put the choke at the base of the pole, something
> I haven?t seen discussed in the literature.  Two questions I am wondering
> about:  1. The choke would be 100 feet from the tuner and about 25 feet
> from the antenna/balun.  Probably not as good as having it right at the
> Vee, but is that compromise worth while?  2.  For appearance sake I am
> thinking about winding the coax around the base of the support pole.  It
> is 2 inches in diameter but I could slip a 3 inch PVC over that section to
> increase the diameter.  Anyone know an algorithm for determining the
> number of turns in the winding if I do that?  I would be much obliged for
> any thoughts and suggestions . . .   Tnx!
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Oct 21 09:49:55 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <544651B2.2000805@nexicom.net>
References: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<544651B2.2000805@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4m+EhUWfCHWmirCwhO=RpWOAQSaXrzi2zExmECviOQ9g@mail.gmail.com>

David

What mix of ferrites are you using?

Mike va3mw


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:29 AM, david Moes <dmoes at nexicom.net> wrote:

> You say a 1:1 balun.    What type is it and  should it not be preventing
> common mode currents?   If not Id consider one that will rather than adding
> a choke.  I bought a commercial 1:1 Balun  opened it up and found it to be
> just a length of RG8X looped once inside the casing with half a dozen
> ferrites around it.  What I have done is have ground rods at the base of
> the pole.   I am using a 10-80 +warc fan dipole that looks a little like a
> flattened spider web supported with guyed camouflage tent poles to about 40
> ft   I have 6 ferrites on the coax at the feed  the ones I got out of the
> commercial balun. Then at the base I have several 5 ft copper pipes driven
> into the ground  around the pole about 5 ft apart  all bonded together with
> 6 gauge bare copper that is also burred a few inched below the surface
> safe from the lawn mower.  I have a barrel connector at the base that lets
> me connect the shield  to this ground    I have no common mode issues. at
> least I have not experienced any.
>
>
> David VE3SD
>
> On 10/20/2014 22:28, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
>> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
>> Presently it goes K3-KPA500-KAT500 then 100 ft coax to the base of an
>> inverted Vee?s center support pole (collapsible fiberglass), then 30 feet
>> up the pole to a 1:1 balun feeding a fanned 10-15-20 Vee.  The idea, for a
>> couple of reasons, is to put the choke at the base of the pole, something
>> I haven?t seen discussed in the literature.  Two questions I am wondering
>> about:  1. The choke would be 100 feet from the tuner and about 25 feet
>> from the antenna/balun.  Probably not as good as having it right at the
>> Vee, but is that compromise worth while?  2.  For appearance sake I am
>> thinking about winding the coax around the base of the support pole.  It
>> is 2 inches in diameter but I could slip a 3 inch PVC over that section to
>> increase the diameter.  Anyone know an algorithm for determining the
>> number of turns in the winding if I do that?  I would be much obliged for
>> any thoughts and suggestions . . .   Tnx!
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k8azt-k3 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 21 10:45:37 2014
From: k8azt-k3 at sbcglobal.net (John/K8AZT)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:45:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bandpass shift - cw mode
Message-ID: <1413902737.28199.YahooMailNeo@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

All of a sudden I can not shift the center frequency of the bandpass on my K3.  When I turn the knob it reads the proper center frequency (spot pitch), but I can not change it.

Any suggestions?
73,
John/K8AZT

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Oct 21 11:00:45 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:00:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0bjX7FQ0UUOJOmD47+nUqChPCxrykrQCWkQ2LgbvTC6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-EA4213016DB74B8BAFF9E4072EEBC366@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I'm part of that club. I saved considerable time by going to the 
trouble shooting section of the manual. On page 65 I found this 
lovely section:

"No received signal: Check (1) receiver being squelched (if 
RF/SQL controls are assigned to squelch via CONFIG:SQ MAIN or SQ 
SUB, rotate squelch controls fully counter-clockwise); (2) RF 
GAIN too low (set RF gain controls fully clockwise); (3) 
bandwidth too narrow (set WIDTH or tap XFIL, and also verify 
filter configuration settings); (4) switching to an open receive 
antenna on the KXV3 (RX ANT IN); (5) switching the KAT3 to an 
open antenna jack; (6) CONFIG:REF CAL parameter not adjusted 
properly; (7) CONFIG:KXV3 may be set to TEST, which routes all 
RF through the XVTR IN/OUT jacks."

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/20/14 at 5:18 PM, k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) wrote:

>Please note that at last count 98.91% of all K3 owners have pulled that
>wrong antenna per band stunt on themselves and spent at least an hour
>looking elsewhere for the problem.

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From ki4txp at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 11:08:39 2014
From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:08:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi
Message-ID: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I am in the process of getting started with digital operations.
I have a Signal Link USB connected to the K3. I have been able to RX and TX
but know would like to us rig control is this possible at this time. I see
on the web site for Fldigi that the K series is a Beta state.
I would like to change freq on the K3 and have the display change with it
like logging programs.
I hope that this is possible at this time.
Thanks in advance!!!!

-- 
73

KI4TXP  JAY

From lists at subich.com  Tue Oct 21 11:10:19 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:10:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bandpass shift - cw mode
In-Reply-To: <1413902737.28199.YahooMailNeo@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1413902737.28199.YahooMailNeo@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5446775B.6090208@subich.com>


Do you have QRQ mode enabled?

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-21 10:45 AM, John/K8AZT wrote:
> All of a sudden I can not shift the center frequency of the bandpass on my K3.  When I turn the knob it reads the proper center frequency (spot pitch), but I can not change it.
>
> Any suggestions?
> 73,
> John/K8AZT
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Oct 21 11:30:41 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:30:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi
In-Reply-To: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-8B4086DE3E0D4F839652E2AA130D925D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have gotten fldigi tor track the K3 frequency using the 
Elecraft USB to RS-232 cable on my Mac. Make sure no other 
program is using the interface and select K3 in the rig 
selection on fldigi.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/21/14 at 8:08 AM, ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) wrote:

>Hi All,
>I am in the process of getting started with digital operations.
>I have a Signal Link USB connected to the K3. I have been able to RX and TX
>but know would like to us rig control is this possible at this time. I see
>on the web site for Fldigi that the K series is a Beta state.
>I would like to change freq on the K3 and have the display change with it
>like logging programs.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 11:53:20 2014
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:53:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi
In-Reply-To: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3687FE3E3CA443449937CCC9A92A203F@ejhPC>

Jay,
I am running same set up as you.  It works fine.
Fldigi version here is 3.22.00.
In configure, rig control, Hamlib, select, use Hamlib, rig Elecraft K3/KX3 
beta, and correct com port.
Any other questions let me know.  Good luck. 73
Emory WM3M

-----Original Message----- 
From: JAY
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:08 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi

Hi All,
I am in the process of getting started with digital operations.
I have a Signal Link USB connected to the K3. I have been able to RX and TX
but know would like to us rig control is this possible at this time. I see
on the web site for Fldigi that the K series is a Beta state.
I would like to change freq on the K3 and have the display change with it
like logging programs.
I hope that this is possible at this time.
Thanks in advance!!!!

-- 
73

KI4TXP  JAY
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 21 12:03:24 2014
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] running KX3 macros from PX3 function buttons
In-Reply-To: <61C1BC8E-515C-4C85-88DA-22A3D5CAFF0E@gmail.com>
References: <61C1BC8E-515C-4C85-88DA-22A3D5CAFF0E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1413907404602-7594055.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Matt, 

When the USB keyboard feature is added to the PX3 it will include pretty
much the same functionality as the P3/SVGA implementation, which includes
the ability to create and send macros (to the KX3). 

-Paul




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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Oct 21 12:57:06 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:57:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PAE-Kx33 Power Supply & Accessories
In-Reply-To: <5425FDE4.2040107@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-9DB84A1DF3C743E08443BCE879B69426@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I bought one of these power supplies for my KX3 and have been 
using it in my rural New Hampshire QTH. It has been performing 
flawlessly, allowing full power (12W) CW and SSB operation. I 
have not been able to hear any noise, even when A/B testing 
against the internal KX3 batteries. The noise floor here can be 
as low as S0-S1.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/26/14 at 4:59 PM, hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) wrote:

>A quick notice to minimize bandwidth: Our Kx33 AC Power Supply 
>for the KX3 and the #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter are now 
>in stock, please go to our website: 
>https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-ac-power-supply/ for 
>more details.
>
>Cheers & 73,
>
>Howie - WA4PSC
>www.proaudioeng.com
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From dmb at lightstream.net  Tue Oct 21 13:40:15 2014
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bandpass shift - cw mode
In-Reply-To: <1413902737.28199.YahooMailNeo@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1413902737.28199.YahooMailNeo@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59535.71.74.118.201.1413913215.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

John,

Bandpass shift will not function if QRQ is engaged. Either turn off QRQ or
engage RIT, or XIT, or SPLIT (all of which will temporarily disable QRQ),
and your bandpass shift should work as you expect.

73, Dale
WA8SRA


> All of a sudden I can not shift the center frequency of the bandpass on my
> K3.  When I turn the knob it reads the proper center frequency (spot
> pitch), but I can not change it.
>
> Any suggestions?
> 73,
> John/K8AZT
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Oct 21 15:37:46 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi
In-Reply-To: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5446B60A.8070108@subich.com>


Signalink USB does not provide a serial control interface for the rig.

You will not be able to control the K3 with *only* Signalink USB - you
will need a traditional serial port, USB to serial adapter, or another
interface that includes the USB to serial adapter function.

With the proper hardware there is no problem controlling the K3 from
fldigi or most other digital and/or logging programs that provide for
rig control.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-21 11:08 AM, JAY wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am in the process of getting started with digital operations.
> I have a Signal Link USB connected to the K3. I have been able to RX and TX
> but know would like to us rig control is this possible at this time. I see
> on the web site for Fldigi that the K series is a Beta state.
> I would like to change freq on the K3 and have the display change with it
> like logging programs.
> I hope that this is possible at this time.
> Thanks in advance!!!!
>

From w4jbb at charter.net  Tue Oct 21 16:28:51 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:28:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi
In-Reply-To: <5446B60A.8070108@subich.com>
References: <CAHkBJvk2P0VxY=9znU29FS0JjpGFiU_s+gEChZFS+=8G4AV8-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5446B60A.8070108@subich.com>
Message-ID: <5446C203.4010909@charter.net>

...and I would like to add that downloading and installing Flrig will 
help quite a bit with controlling the radio. Flrig connects via XML to 
Fldigi and gives greater control than RigCAT or Hamlib. Flrig will give 
you CAT control of the K3 via serial port (or USB-to-serial).

On another note, depending on your OS, there are two Yahoo groups 
pertaining to Fldigi - Win-Fldigi (I think) pertains to Fldigi on 
Windows; Linuxham pertains to Fldigi on Linux and the Mac OS. Linuxham 
*also* deals with ham radio and Linux / Mac OS in general too.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 10/21/14, 2:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> Signalink USB does not provide a serial control interface for the rig.
>
> You will not be able to control the K3 with *only* Signalink USB - you
> will need a traditional serial port, USB to serial adapter, or another
> interface that includes the USB to serial adapter function.
>
> With the proper hardware there is no problem controlling the K3 from
> fldigi or most other digital and/or logging programs that provide for
> rig control.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-21 11:08 AM, JAY wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I am in the process of getting started with digital operations.
>> I have a Signal Link USB connected to the K3. I have been able to RX 
>> and TX
>> but know would like to us rig control is this possible at this time. 
>> I see
>> on the web site for Fldigi that the K series is a Beta state.
>> I would like to change freq on the K3 and have the display change 
>> with it
>> like logging programs.
>> I hope that this is possible at this time.
>> Thanks in advance!!!!
>>
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Tue Oct 21 17:13:28 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:13:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4m+EhUWfCHWmirCwhO=RpWOAQSaXrzi2zExmECviOQ9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D06B1EE9.7016%edauer@law.du.edu>	<544651B2.2000805@nexicom.net>
	<CA+33ts4m+EhUWfCHWmirCwhO=RpWOAQSaXrzi2zExmECviOQ9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5446CC78.8000608@nexicom.net>

what ever it was in the balun I purchased and took apart so Im not sure.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/21/2014 09:49, Michael Walker wrote:
> David
>
> What mix of ferrites are you using?
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:29 AM, david Moes <dmoes at nexicom.net> wrote:
>
>> You say a 1:1 balun.    What type is it and  should it not be preventing
>> common mode currents?   If not Id consider one that will rather than adding
>> a choke.  I bought a commercial 1:1 Balun  opened it up and found it to be
>> just a length of RG8X looped once inside the casing with half a dozen
>> ferrites around it.  What I have done is have ground rods at the base of
>> the pole.   I am using a 10-80 +warc fan dipole that looks a little like a
>> flattened spider web supported with guyed camouflage tent poles to about 40
>> ft   I have 6 ferrites on the coax at the feed  the ones I got out of the
>> commercial balun. Then at the base I have several 5 ft copper pipes driven
>> into the ground  around the pole about 5 ft apart  all bonded together with
>> 6 gauge bare copper that is also burred a few inched below the surface
>> safe from the lawn mower.  I have a barrel connector at the base that lets
>> me connect the shield  to this ground    I have no common mode issues. at
>> least I have not experienced any.
>>
>>
>> David VE3SD
>>
>> On 10/20/2014 22:28, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
>>> Presently it goes K3-KPA500-KAT500 then 100 ft coax to the base of an
>>> inverted Vee?s center support pole (collapsible fiberglass), then 30 feet
>>> up the pole to a 1:1 balun feeding a fanned 10-15-20 Vee.  The idea, for a
>>> couple of reasons, is to put the choke at the base of the pole, something
>>> I haven?t seen discussed in the literature.  Two questions I am wondering
>>> about:  1. The choke would be 100 feet from the tuner and about 25 feet
>>> from the antenna/balun.  Probably not as good as having it right at the
>>> Vee, but is that compromise worth while?  2.  For appearance sake I am
>>> thinking about winding the coax around the base of the support pole.  It
>>> is 2 inches in diameter but I could slip a 3 inch PVC over that section to
>>> increase the diameter.  Anyone know an algorithm for determining the
>>> number of turns in the winding if I do that?  I would be much obliged for
>>> any thoughts and suggestions . . .   Tnx!
>>>
>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>
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From d3j452 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 19:00:17 2014
From: d3j452 at gmail.com (Dave G.)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:00:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Bulk head fitting..
Message-ID: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know the size of the nut that secures a bulkhead SO-239
socket to a chassis?
Available at my local hardware store?

Dave G.    KK7SS
Richland, WA.

From n4ua.va at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 19:08:37 2014
From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:08:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Bulk head fitting..
In-Reply-To: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAALHBrZ1Oq8TcHdpAG3V0nTJHwptyLfy3Yvn2CveRKw_utu19g@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

It's 5/8-24, and not likely available at the hdwe store. For one thing, it
usually has to be very thin to work in bulkhead installations. The same
thread is used for N connectors, so ask around the local hams and see who
has a good junk box.

73,

geo - n4ua

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Dave G. <d3j452 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the size of the nut that secures a bulkhead SO-239
> socket to a chassis?
> Available at my local hardware store?
>
> Dave G.    KK7SS
> Richland, WA.
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Oct 21 19:08:34 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:08:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Bulk head fitting..
In-Reply-To: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD887F1C-6CF8-477D-94B4-6C27F32D27E4@wunderwood.org>

For Amphenol, it depends on whether it is a front-mount or rear-mount. Front-mount is 0.562 in. (9/16 in. or 14.3mm). Rear-mount is 0.750 in. (19mm).

Specs: http://www.amphenolrf.com/pdf/189.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 21, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Dave G. <d3j452 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the size of the nut that secures a bulkhead SO-239
> socket to a chassis?
> Available at my local hardware store?
> 
> Dave G.    KK7SS
> Richland, WA.
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From d3j452 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 19:42:29 2014
From: d3j452 at gmail.com (Dave G.)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:42:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Bulk head fitting..
Message-ID: <CAH67z609XZKps=x4mznadTP-aFJ=n0_yV02vP7tgc_1v0d_SGA@mail.gmail.com>

To all who replied (you know who you are...).

Thank you very much  :-)
Off to my local hardware shop ....
Dave G.    KK7SS
Richland, WA.

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 21 21:33:15 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:33:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3
Message-ID: <5447095B.5050603@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Kit-build went smoothly, except for a brain fart on my part. This is a 
real cute little box, and will be even nicer when all the firmware is 
done. One very important thing missing is Fixed Tune Mode.

73, Jim K9YC

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 23:39:26 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 20:39:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3
In-Reply-To: <5447095B.5050603@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <5447095B.5050603@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <544726EE.6090202@socal.rr.com>

I noticed that in the FAQ, Jim. I sure hope it can 
be implemented since that's the only way I use my 
P3 and am holding off on the PX3 for that reason. 
I'm concerned that the FAQ has an "if" in it re 
this mode: " If this feature is added at a future 
date, it may have somewhat different performance 
than in the P3, in terms of displayed bandwidth 
and allowed offset from the currently-tuned 
frequency."

73, Phil W7OX


On 10/21/14, 6:33 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> Kit-build went smoothly, except for a brain fart 
> on my part. This is a real cute little box, and 
> will be even nicer when all the firmware is 
> done. One very important thing missing is Fixed 
> Tune Mode.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From edauer at law.du.edu  Tue Oct 21 23:58:00 2014
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:58:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Coiled coax choke
Message-ID: <D06C85CC.8065%edauer@law.du.edu>

Thanks to all who replied to my coiled-coax choke question.  Good ideas,
all; and I am off to study what K9YC has written on the subject . . .

73, Ted KN1CBR
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:48:29 -0700
>From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
>Message-ID: <B64C9B34-E2D9-489E-8B49-8962F72030DE at wunderwood.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252
>
>A choke in the middle of the transmission line could help, but the usual
>configuration is a current balun at the antenna to reject common-mode
>signals at the source, plus an optional choke at the entrance to the
>shack to reject noise picked up by the outside of the coax shield.
>
>A coiled-coax choke works OK, but you get the best rejection from a
>toroid-based choke or balun. I?ve had good results with the ones from
>Balun Designs (http://www.balundesigns.com).
>
>Putting a Balun Designs balun at my dipole dropped the noise by 6dB.
>
>I highly recommend K9YC?s super-detailed explanation of fighting noise in
>your antenna and elsewhere in your shack.
>
>http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
>
>wunder
>K6WRU
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:31:35 -0700
>From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
>Message-ID: <5445D397.9040006 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 10/20/2014 7:28 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> I am thinking of adding a coiled coax common-mode choke to my system.
>
>Although it's all over the literature, a coil of coax is NOT an
>effective common mode choke. I've discussed this at length in
>k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf
>
>What do you mean by "antenna/balun?" The word "balun" describes at least
>a dozen different things. What problem are you trying to solve?
>
>73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:29:38 -0400
>From: david Moes <dmoes at nexicom.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Coiled Coax Choke
>Message-ID: <544651B2.2000805 at nexicom.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>You say a 1:1 balun.    What type is it and  should it not be preventing
>common mode currents?   If not Id consider one that will rather than
>adding a choke.  I bought a commercial 1:1 Balun  opened it up and found
>it to be just a length of RG8X looped once inside the casing with half a
>dozen ferrites around it.  What I have done is have ground rods at the
>base of the pole.   I am using a 10-80 +warc fan dipole that looks a
>little like a flattened spider web supported with guyed camouflage tent
>poles to about 40 ft   I have 6 ferrites on the coax at the feed  the
>ones I got out of the commercial balun. Then at the base I have several
>5 ft copper pipes driven into the ground  around the pole about 5 ft
>apart  all bonded together with 6 gauge bare copper that is also burred
>a few inched below the surface  safe from the lawn mower.  I have a
>barrel connector at the base that lets me connect the shield  to this
>ground    I have no common mode issues. at least I have not experienced
>any.
>
>


From dmoes at nexicom.net  Wed Oct 22 01:07:56 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:07:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] setting up Fldigi
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-8B4086DE3E0D4F839652E2AA130D925D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-8B4086DE3E0D4F839652E2AA130D925D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <54473BAC.30404@nexicom.net>

I use it just fine it has said beta for a long time and I have not had 
issues. If using windows,  to run multiple programs that control the K3 
you can use a Virtual Serial Port Emulator  VSPE.  
http://www.eterlogic.com/   it will let you run multiple programs that 
can control the K3   I run FLdigi with logger32 and both communicate at 
the same time just fine even K3 utility will run with  it and K3-EZ all 
concurrently.    32 bit version is free  64 bit you have to pay for 
since they have to pay some licence fee to Microsoft for components used 
in the 64bit version.

David Moes
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/21/2014 11:30, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I have gotten fldigi tor track the K3 frequency using the Elecraft USB 
> to RS-232 cable on my Mac. Make sure no other program is using the 
> interface and select K3 in the rig selection on fldigi.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 10/21/14 at 8:08 AM, ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I am in the process of getting started with digital operations.
>> I have a Signal Link USB connected to the K3. I have been able to RX 
>> and TX
>> but know would like to us rig control is this possible at this time. 
>> I see
>> on the web site for Fldigi that the K series is a Beta state.
>> I would like to change freq on the K3 and have the display change 
>> with it
>> like logging programs.
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 22 01:25:03 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:25:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3
In-Reply-To: <544726EE.6090202@socal.rr.com>
References: <5447095B.5050603@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<544726EE.6090202@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54473FAF.904@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/21/2014 8:39 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> I noticed that in the FAQ, Jim. I sure hope it can be implemented 
> since that's the only way I use my P3 and am holding off on the PX3 
> for that reason. I'm concerned that the FAQ has an "if" in it re this 
> mode: " If this feature is added at a future date, it may have 
> somewhat different performance than in the P3, in terms of displayed 
> bandwidth and allowed offset from the currently-tuned frequency." 

Thanks, Phil. I too use my P3s (three of them) ONLY in Fixed Tune Mode. 
It's next to useless if it is continually tracking the VFO frequency. If 
that function doesn't get added in a reasonable time, my PX3 will be for 
sale in a New York minute. :)

73, Jim K9YC

From w7aqk at cox.net  Wed Oct 22 01:39:44 2014
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:39:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
Message-ID: <2F54AB6B74354B8990CCAB14D9AAC5FE@TDYDell>

Hi All,

If there is a downside to the K3's size, the problem described in this 
thread demonstrates that.  The rig is small, and so is the display.  So, 
some of the displayed info gets overlooked easily.  Still, there is a lot of 
info shown on the display, but much of it is in "fine print"!  Which antenna 
you are using is one of those small print items.  Or, maybe it's just that 
the info as to the antenna in use gets lost amid all the other info being 
displayed!!!  Since my eyesight is slowly but surely going south on me, I 
tend to suffer from the small print issue--at least on occasion.  In any 
event, I've committed the same "sin" as Fred did, and more than once.  Most 
recently was when I was hearing about all sorts of activity on 6 meters, but 
I was hearing none.  That went on for days until I realized I was listening 
on "no antenna"!  Ask me how dumb I felt when I finally realized my error!

I think Elecraft did a pretty good job arranging the K3's display of info, 
but surely it could have been a lot better.  After all, nobody is perfect! 
Actually I strongly suspect that designing a proper display (regardless of 
how big or little it is) is more than just good organization.  It's an art 
as well as a science!  Probably there is some very esoteric psychological 
set of issues that would suggest that certain things be displayed a certain 
way, or with bigger font size, or whatever else you can do to make each 
piece of info stand out as necessary.  Maybe if enough people are 
overlooking a key indicator on the display it could be enhanced by making it 
blink?  I don't know what the solution really is.

This may be a poor metaphor, but Fred's post made me think about all the 
times I went to a seminar, and the presenter had flip charts covered from 
corner to corner with all sorts of info listed in a very mundane way.  In 
essence, the visual aids were so "busy" that not much of it sunk in. 
Compare that to someone who approaches making charts like this with a more 
modest amount of info on each page, or at least does a much better job of 
highlighting key info.  Color coding helps, as does varying the size of key 
items.  Underlining works too!  Elecraft does employ a lot of techniques, 
but I can't say that they have done it as effectively as it could be.

The point is that communication tools, such as displays, do present some 
significant opportunities to EFFECTIVELY convey various pieces of info.  It 
probably takes a real expert to do it right.  I don't know if we have any of 
those in the ham radio business!  At least I can't think of a radio that had 
a display that struck me as being really efficient.

Dave W7AQK 


From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 22 04:37:06 2014
From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:37:06 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Bulk head fitting..
In-Reply-To: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH67z606C_5N3L=4dY_jPisJmqp8E7xuojTFf93fx-DUsUgn8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54476CB2.3040902@ntlworld.com>

On 10/22/2014 12:00 AM, Dave G. wrote:
> Does anyone know the size of the nut that secures a bulkhead SO-239
> socket to a chassis?
> Available at my local hardware store?
>
> Dave G.    KK7SS
> Richland, WA.
>
Depends on the screw thread surely?

I use M3 pan or countersunk screws usually brass, depends on the socket 
some have countersunk/recess holes, on the chassis side a split washer 
and/or a grounding tag and an M3 nut to secure.

72

Dom
M1KTA

From bajubranston at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 22 06:07:05 2014
From: bajubranston at ntlworld.com (Barry Middleton)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:07:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX3 2metre module installation
Message-ID: <544781C9.1040300@ntlworld.com>

Hello,
            Just have to say that the installation of the 2 metre module 
in my KX3 went very smoothly, even these 78 year old hands managed the 
mini co-ax connectors. However when it came to upgrading the firmware I 
had a small problem, the MCU 2.23 installed with no problem, but Mr 
Murphy stepped in on the DSP 1.30, in the middle of loading I suffered a 
power cut, it didn't like that one bit. Still after the power returned 
all went smoothly. The sensitivity is far better than my other 2 metre 
rigs, so thank you Elecraft for a first class product.

                 73 de

             Barry k Middleton G4DBS

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 06:22:01 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:22:01 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2metre module installation
In-Reply-To: <544781C9.1040300@ntlworld.com>
References: <544781C9.1040300@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <84D1C793-74BB-444D-860E-3AEFA1732652@gmail.com>

I also installed the 2m module without incident. It doesn't work so well if you have dual watch enabled in FM mode though -- it's not really a valid use case, but if the user ends up in that configuration inadvertently, it may leave them wondering why they can't key up a repeater.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 22 Oct 2014, at 9:07 pm, Barry Middleton <bajubranston at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>           Just have to say that the installation of the 2 metre module in my KX3 went very smoothly, even these 78 year old hands managed the mini co-ax connectors. However when it came to upgrading the firmware I had a small problem, the MCU 2.23 installed with no problem, but Mr Murphy stepped in on the DSP 1.30, in the middle of loading I suffered a power cut, it didn't like that one bit. Still after the power returned all went smoothly. The sensitivity is far better than my other 2 metre rigs, so thank you Elecraft for a first class product.
> 
>                73 de
> 
>            Barry k Middleton G4DBS
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From azbibliophile at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 10:08:16 2014
From: azbibliophile at gmail.com (Brian Short)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:08:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
In-Reply-To: <2F54AB6B74354B8990CCAB14D9AAC5FE@TDYDell>
References: <2F54AB6B74354B8990CCAB14D9AAC5FE@TDYDell>
Message-ID: <F7B29D21-8377-42B7-8EDC-593A523625EC@gmail.com>

I think it is great to see your assessment because sometimes 
it seems we do tend to focus less on the human factors and
usability issues.

In this case, however, it seems that the feature allowing recall
of Rx Ant selection by band plays at least a part.  It is a great 
enhancement, but does allow for the confusion noted.  On some 
radios, Rx Ant is just either on or off (period).  

On the other hand, I bet few of us suffer that same confusion twice.

On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:39 PM, <w7aqk at cox.net> <w7aqk at cox.net> wrote:
> such as displays, do present some significant opportunities to EFFECTIVELY convey various pieces of info.  It probably takes a real expert to do it right.  I don't know if we have any of those in the ham radio business!  At least I can't think of a radio that had a display that struck me as being really efficient.

--
http://www.qrz.com/db/k7on




From k0az at centurytel.net  Wed Oct 22 12:01:35 2014
From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTT XV50 for XV432
Message-ID: <004201cfee11$76836110$638a2330$@centurytel.net>

I have a clean working XV50 no problems that I would like to trade for an
XV432.
Anyone interested? 73, Mike K0AZ   k0az at centurytel.net

                 

                                                          GOD BLESS AMERICA
                                    K?AZ    Mike Sanders   EM37cd
www.k0az.com <http://www.k0az.com/> 
                                                             SouthWest
Missouri         
 


       









From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Oct 22 22:59:26 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (eric norris via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 02:59:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
Message-ID: <235312008.32006.1414033166493.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Has anyone figured out how to use a tube transmitter while using a modern Elecraft transceiver as the receiver safely? ?Is it possible?
Thanks and 73,
Eric WD6DBM

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 23 00:18:48 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 00:18:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
In-Reply-To: <235312008.32006.1414033166493.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <235312008.32006.1414033166493.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <544881A8.9010703@embarqmail.com>

Eric,

Although I am not certain why you would want to do that, it can be done 
- Elecraft gear offers seamless transceive operation all by itself, so I 
do not understand the fascination with an external tube type 
transmitter.  OTOH, if you really want to do that --

Arrange for external antenna switching between the transmitter and the 
receiver (that is common with tube transmitters and is built into some 
transmitters).

Use the RX input for the receiver (you will require the options that 
make the Elecraft gear RX antenna capable).
The above takes care of the antenna switching.

Turn the power control on the Elecraft transceiver to zero (or use TX 
TEST), and connect a dummy load to the Elecraft transceiver regular ANT 
output jack.  That will protect the Elecraft transceiver PA transistors 
in case of any fault.

Now, key the Elecraft transceiver at the same time as the tube 
transceiver, and the Elecraft receiver will be muted. during transmit.

Additional requirements such as spotting the transmit frequency are not 
included in the above, but that is the essentials for protecting the 
Elecraft transceiver while allowing it to be used as a receiver with a 
tube transmitter.  There is likely enough leakage through the antenna 
relay (switch) to allow spotting, but that depends on your exact 
implementation.  To Spot, remove the keying from the Elecraft 
transceiver so it is not muted while keying the tube transmitter.  I 
don't particularly recommend that procedure since it adds to the number 
of "tuner-uppers" on the air, and may result in "sliding VFOs" as well 
which is another irritation to other operators.  It all depends on the 
capabilities of the tube transmitter being used.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/22/2014 10:59 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Has anyone figured out how to use a tube transmitter while using a modern Elecraft transceiver as the receiver safely?  Is it possible?
> Thanks and 73,
> Eric WD6DBM


From mjwetzel at comcast.net  Thu Oct 23 00:22:27 2014
From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 00:22:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation with 2 receivers
Message-ID: <F4405847F0484A73AF178E3EE106D9F9@rockne>

Is there any way to transmit on say 3825 and listen with both receivers on
say 3705?  Obviously I would be listening with two different antennas (maybe
the transmit antenna and a rx antenna).

 

Thanks,

 

Mike W9RE

 


From wb3fsr at comcast.net  Thu Oct 23 01:14:50 2014
From: wb3fsr at comcast.net (Peter D. Vouvounas)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 01:14:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 seems to be switching IQ signals SSB
Message-ID: <032501cfee80$45d6e6d0$d184b470$@net>

KX3 seems to be switching IQ signals SSB.
 
I have encountered an issue with the KX3 where it appears that the IQ
signals are randomly switching or the gain from one channel abruptly
changes.  There has been extensive troubleshooting of the issue with Tom at
va2fsq.com <http://va2fsq.com/> .
 
Symptom: Random and intermittent switch of the IQ signals from the KX3.
This occurs a few times an hour or more on my system and can last a few
minutes to upwards of an hour and then switch again. On Tom's computer he
has seen it once.
 
In the normal situation, we see signals as show in this picture.
http://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/Normal.jpg
 
Here we have both Win4K3Suite and NAP3 spectrum scopes displaying a signal.
Tuning the radio up will lead to the expected behavior where the signals
move to the left (lower in frequency).  Sound coming out of the KX3 through
the speaker is normal and so is sound demodulated by NAP3.
 
Now randomly, a few times an hour the following happens:
http://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/shifted.jpg
 
Here you can see that the signal of interest has now shifted down by 16kHz.
This occurs with no transmissions and can correct itself again randomly or
can stay as such for some time.
 
When the signal is shifted, tuning up on the radio moves the peaks higher
which is consistent with the IQ signals being connected incorrectly.  At
this point if, you go into the settings of Win4K3 or NAP3 and select "SWAP
IQ", everything goes back to normal in the display.  However, if you switch
bands all the other bands will be incorrect which is expected.  In
addition, the sound coming out of the KX3 is still normal however in NAP3
the sound disappears completely.  Moving the cursors in NAP3 16khz down
(radio still tuned to the original frequency) will present sound but only if
USB is selected.  Again this is consistent with the IQ signals being
swapped.
 
There has been extensive trouble shooting of this issue.  Sound cards have
been changed, software has been updated and debugging versions of Win4K3
been installed. Cables and connectors externally have been examined. No
homebrew cables have been used only relatively new elecraft cable connected.
In all cases the issue does not change.

Appreciate your thoughts, wisdom and experience to correct this issue.

73
PeterV Jersey Shore, Home of tubby but tough Governor and Tough but tiny KX3

WB3FSR
 
**********************


From droese at necg.de  Thu Oct 23 04:55:04 2014
From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:55:04 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Low SSB power out with KX3-2M :-(
Message-ID: <5448C268.3040007@necg.de>

Hi guys,

installed a KX3-2M in a friend's KX3 yesterday. We observe low SSB 
output. :-( While CW & FM easily produce 3+ watts out SSB only gets up 
to 1,5 watts peak (whistling) and 0,5 to 1 watt with normal speaking 
(yes, PEP and low power capable/calibrated meter). Also the KX3 power 
display only lights up the first bar while CW & FM show all 3 expected bars.

SSB settings are fine (mic gain, compression), on HF power out is equal 
for CW, SSB & FM so we can rule that out.

My own KX3 is currently some 700 km away so can't compare. But even for 
my own I remember only seeing 2 bars on the KX3 meter on SSB.

Can anyone confirm that? What are others seeing?

73, Olli - DH8BQA

-- 

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de



From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 06:58:08 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:58:08 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
Message-ID: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>

I live about 3.3 miles from a 50 kW BC station on 1080 kHz. It is on 24 
hours a day, transmitting in Arabic, not that that matters.

I have two antennas: an R8 vertical and a Pixel Loop receiving loop.

With either antenna, I hear a wideband noise on my K3 that is 
synchronized with the program material of the BC station on the 14, 10 
and 7 MHz bands.

I first determined that it was not affected at all by the attenuator in 
the K3. So I assume that it is not caused by front-end overload in the K3.

I noticed that if I listen on the Pixel Loop via the K3's RX ANT input 
the noise completely goes away when I unplug the R8 from the K3's ANT 1 
connector!

I also noticed that the noise is reduced when I bypass my amplifier or 
my SWR/wattmeter, which are connected between the ANT 1 connector and 
the R8. Reduced, but not eliminated.

I conclude that what is happening is that the BC RF is being picked up 
by the R8, and the diodes in the wattmeter and the amplifier and the K3 
finals are creating IMD products which I am hearing. The K3 seems to be 
the major contributor.

I am thinking that maybe the IMD products are being re-radiated by the 
R8 and picked up by the Pixel Loop.

I tried one more experiment: I have a BC band filter which is used with 
the MFJ antenna analyzer when there are nearby BC signals. Sure enough, 
putting this in series with the K3 ANT 1 connector kills the noise. Of 
course I can't transmit through it.

Has anyone had a similar problem? I am thinking that the solution is a 
highpass filter or trap at this spot. I don't operate on 160, so it 
shouldn't be too hard to make.

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From dmb at lightstream.net  Thu Oct 23 07:25:34 2014
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:25:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation with 2 receivers
In-Reply-To: <F4405847F0484A73AF178E3EE106D9F9@rockne>
References: <F4405847F0484A73AF178E3EE106D9F9@rockne>
Message-ID: <58866.71.74.118.201.1414063534.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Mike,

Try this:

-- Tune your main VFO to 3705

-- Tap the "A > B" button twice (to sync both VFO A and B)

-- Push and hold the "SUB" button until the VFO B display area indicates
"DIVRSTY", after which you should see the decimal point in the main
display flashing slowly as confirmation that you are in diversity mode.

-- Push and hold the SPLIT button (A > B) to engage 'SPLIT' operation

-- Tune VFO B to 3825

-- Push and hold the "RX ANT" button and make sure the display indicates
"AUX" and not "MAIN" (repeated button pushes toggle it between both of
those settings) so that you can use a separate receiving antenna for VFO-B

That should do it.

73, Dale
WA8SRA



> Is there any way to transmit on say 3825 and listen with both receivers on
> say 3705?  Obviously I would be listening with two different antennas
> (maybe
> the transmit antenna and a rx antenna).
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mike W9RE
>


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Thu Oct 23 07:15:38 2014
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:15:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5448E35A.3070203@xs4all.nl>

Vic,

Cannot really tell what's happening, but I have a suggestion for your BC 
bandfilter.
Connect the filter to the RX ANT in and out connectors, and switch on 
the RX ANT.

Now you can transmit the normal way and use the filter for receive only.

73
Arie PA3A

Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO schreef op 23-10-2014 12:58:

<snip>
> I tried one more experiment: I have a BC band filter which is used 
> with the MFJ antenna analyzer when there are nearby BC signals. Sure 
> enough, putting this in series with the K3 ANT 1 connector kills the 
> noise. Of course I can't transmit through it.
>
> Has anyone had a similar problem? I am thinking that the solution is a 
> highpass filter or trap at this spot. I don't operate on 160, so it 
> shouldn't be too hard to make.
>
<snip>

From pincon at erols.com  Thu Oct 23 08:10:29 2014
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:10:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72DBF08437B34B0088570E04D0F41176@pinnacle05df05>

I'd go for a series tuned trap to ground.  That would seem to the least 
disruptive, if that's the right word, to your system.

I remember working at Vectrol in Rockville MD fairly close to an AM transmit 
antenna site.  We designed & built big three phase SCR controllers and of 
necessity, had to isolate any oscilloscope's chassis ground.    You could 
always see the low level AM signal on the scope.  A similar trap worked, but 
it would have required dozens of them to cover all the scopes etc.. 
Luckily, when you're looking a 60Hz waveforms, we just ignored the BCI.

73, Charlie k3ICH


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:58 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem


>I live about 3.3 miles from a 50 kW BC station on 1080 kHz. It is on 24 
>hours a day, transmitting in Arabic, not that that matters.
>
> I have two antennas: an R8 vertical and a Pixel Loop receiving loop.
>
> With either antenna, I hear a wideband noise on my K3 that is synchronized 
> with the program material of the BC station on the 14, 10 and 7 MHz bands.
>
> I first determined that it was not affected at all by the attenuator in 
> the K3. So I assume that it is not caused by front-end overload in the K3.
>
> I noticed that if I listen on the Pixel Loop via the K3's RX ANT input the 
> noise completely goes away when I unplug the R8 from the K3's ANT 1 
> connector!
>
> I also noticed that the noise is reduced when I bypass my amplifier or my 
> SWR/wattmeter, which are connected between the ANT 1 connector and the R8. 
> Reduced, but not eliminated.
>
> I conclude that what is happening is that the BC RF is being picked up by 
> the R8, and the diodes in the wattmeter and the amplifier and the K3 
> finals are creating IMD products which I am hearing. The K3 seems to be 
> the major contributor.
>
> I am thinking that maybe the IMD products are being re-radiated by the R8 
> and picked up by the Pixel Loop.
>
> I tried one more experiment: I have a BC band filter which is used with 
> the MFJ antenna analyzer when there are nearby BC signals. Sure enough, 
> putting this in series with the K3 ANT 1 connector kills the noise. Of 
> course I can't transmit through it.
>
> Has anyone had a similar problem? I am thinking that the solution is a 
> highpass filter or trap at this spot. I don't operate on 160, so it 
> shouldn't be too hard to make.
>
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From sjl219 at optonline.net  Thu Oct 23 09:13:00 2014
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
In-Reply-To: <544881A8.9010703@embarqmail.com>
References: <235312008.32006.1414033166493.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<544881A8.9010703@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <6030f150.139147.1493d238ca1.Webtop.39@optonline.net>

Phil, AD5X, has an article on a T/R switch at: 
?http://www.ad5x.com/images/Articles/QSKBArevA.pdf


I've built it and it works FB.


As far as why one would want to do this: It's just downright "fun" to 
build a homebrew tube rig, for QRP or otherwise, and to restore a 
vintage transmitter. ?If we already have a good, modern transceiver in 
the shack, then half the problem is solved.


I've had much fun with my Xtal controlled 6C4-5763 rig, chirps and 
all....


73, Stan WB2LQF?

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Although I am not certain why you would want to do that, it can be 
> done - Elecraft gear offers seamless transceive operation all by 
> itself, so I do not understand the fascination with an external tube 
> type transmitter.  OTOH, if you really want to do that --
>


From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Oct 23 10:10:42 2014
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:10:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: "Bug" key Dot Stabilizer Infomercial
Message-ID: <em89adf9f9-5c0a-4d35-aeab-c995c94f84fb@hamradio-pc>

Attention CW "Bug" users.  Just a short reminder if you're experiencing 
"scratchy" dot problems due to contact bounce on your bug, I've 
resurrected Ted McElroy's mechanical "Dot Stabilizer" which, when 
installed and properly adjusted, helps eliminate around 90 percent of 
this problem.  Doesn't wear out and gives more positive control than a 
piece of foam inserted in the movable contact. It can be easily 
installed (and removed if you sell the key and want to keep the 
stabilizer for another one).  It works by placing a very small amount of 
tension on the moving dot contact to prevent bounce as the contacts 
separate which is the primary cause of the problem.  Original theory of 
operation and some pictures of the original McElroy device and several 
of my prototypes at www.artifaxbooks.com/dotstabilizer.htm (pix of mine 
at the bottom of that page)

I make them for all the popular makes & models currently available and 
can custom make them to fit almost any bug if you can provide me with a 
picture of the key and diameter or thickness of the pendulum arm.  
Current items in inventory fit All Vibroplex models with the round 
pendulum, All McElroy models with the round pendulum All metric sized 
(such as the TW Olympic) and all models that use the flat pendulum arm 
to include metric sizes such as the Frattini Prestige Deluxe and all 
models of the military J-36 and current reproductions of it.

This may be the last offering as I'm considering stopping production of 
these for a while due to other commitments so if you really need one (or 
more), get your request in.

Off list contact please to w0eb at cox.net for pricing or further 
information.

Jim - W0EB

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 10:15:02 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:15:02 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <72DBF08437B34B0088570E04D0F41176@pinnacle05df05>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
	<72DBF08437B34B0088570E04D0F41176@pinnacle05df05>
Message-ID: <54490D66.4040501@gmail.com>

Oh, I didn't think of a trap. Simpler than a filter. But I have already 
designed a 4-pole HP filter that will knock out all of the BC band, 
which in this location is probably a good idea. There are some very 
powerful AM BC stations in the Middle East. If my filter doesn't work 
I'll fall back to a trap.

On 23 Oct 2014 15:10, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> I'd go for a series tuned trap to ground.  That would seem to the least
> disruptive, if that's the right word, to your system.
>
> I remember working at Vectrol in Rockville MD fairly close to an AM
> transmit antenna site.  We designed & built big three phase SCR
> controllers and of necessity, had to isolate any oscilloscope's chassis
> ground.    You could always see the low level AM signal on the scope.  A
> similar trap worked, but it would have required dozens of them to cover
> all the scopes etc.. Luckily, when you're looking a 60Hz waveforms, we
> just ignored the BCI.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO"
> <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:58 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
>
>
>> I live about 3.3 miles from a 50 kW BC station on 1080 kHz. It is on
>> 24 hours a day, transmitting in Arabic, not that that matters.
>>
>> I have two antennas: an R8 vertical and a Pixel Loop receiving loop.
>>
>> With either antenna, I hear a wideband noise on my K3 that is
>> synchronized with the program material of the BC station on the 14, 10
>> and 7 MHz bands.
>>
>> I first determined that it was not affected at all by the attenuator
>> in the K3. So I assume that it is not caused by front-end overload in
>> the K3.
>>
>> I noticed that if I listen on the Pixel Loop via the K3's RX ANT input
>> the noise completely goes away when I unplug the R8 from the K3's ANT
>> 1 connector!
>>
>> I also noticed that the noise is reduced when I bypass my amplifier or
>> my SWR/wattmeter, which are connected between the ANT 1 connector and
>> the R8. Reduced, but not eliminated.
>>
>> I conclude that what is happening is that the BC RF is being picked up
>> by the R8, and the diodes in the wattmeter and the amplifier and the
>> K3 finals are creating IMD products which I am hearing. The K3 seems
>> to be the major contributor.
>>
>> I am thinking that maybe the IMD products are being re-radiated by the
>> R8 and picked up by the Pixel Loop.
>>
>> I tried one more experiment: I have a BC band filter which is used
>> with the MFJ antenna analyzer when there are nearby BC signals. Sure
>> enough, putting this in series with the K3 ANT 1 connector kills the
>> noise. Of course I can't transmit through it.
>>
>> Has anyone had a similar problem? I am thinking that the solution is a
>> highpass filter or trap at this spot. I don't operate on 160, so it
>> shouldn't be too hard to make.

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 23 10:31:39 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90DCE1C4-6896-4FDD-8D9B-D632ED7AF165@elecraft.com>

Hi Vic,

We designed a high-power, high-pass filter that should solve this problem. You can transmit through it. 

Your situation would be a good test of the filter, which we were considering offering as a product. Can we send you one of the prototypes?

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 23, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I live about 3.3 miles from a 50 kW BC station on 1080 kHz. It is on 24 hours a day, transmitting in Arabic, not that that matters?..




From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Oct 23 11:19:49 2014
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:19:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <54490D66.4040501@gmail.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
	<72DBF08437B34B0088570E04D0F41176@pinnacle05df05>
	<54490D66.4040501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201410231019.49742.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

There's an old adage about "if life hands you lemons, make lemonade." With 
that kind of field strength (a rough estimate from a chart I found indicates 
about 0.2v/m or so at your QTH) I'd think you could hook a wire to a tuned 
circuit on the BC station's frequency and then rectify the RF from it to 
charge a small battery and let them foot the bill for some of your energy 
needs. You might even be able to run a K1 etc. on it. (My comment is based on 
remembering plans for a simple "free power" radio in a mag some years ago.)

73, Al
 

> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO"
> > <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> > To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:58 AM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
> >
> >> I live about 3.3 miles from a 50 kW BC station on 1080 kHz. It is on
> >> 24 hours a day, transmitting in Arabic, not that that matters.

From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Oct 23 12:38:22 2014
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:38:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KXPA100 and ACC1
Message-ID: <EBBB7856-6A54-4448-AAE4-DCEC80B86427@me.com>

KX3 serial 6-thousand something is born. Very impressed. What a tight little machine. Maiden QSO last evening using the KXPA100 @ 110 watts. This is a very efficient combo: under 5 watts easily excites the KXPA100 to it?s max. Here?s my question: the KXPA100 cable takes up the ACC1 and ACC2 slots. I would really like to use one of the software spectrum displays (maybe iSDR for the iPad, or a Mac equivalent). However, they require ACC1 out. Can ACC1 be split somehow for two devices?

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles 



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:05:53 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:05:53 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KXPA100 and ACC1
In-Reply-To: <EBBB7856-6A54-4448-AAE4-DCEC80B86427@me.com>
References: <EBBB7856-6A54-4448-AAE4-DCEC80B86427@me.com>
Message-ID: <6FECFA31-804A-4801-9E82-9893EBE7719B@gmail.com>

The ACC1 port is split out on the KXPA100 itself -- plug your PC into the "PC" side ACC1 port on the KXPA100, and the KXPA100 will forward any KX3 commands to the KX3 (ie. it is basically a "daisy chain" connection topology)

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 24 Oct 2014, at 3:38 am, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> KX3 serial 6-thousand something is born. Very impressed. What a tight little machine. Maiden QSO last evening using the KXPA100 @ 110 watts. This is a very efficient combo: under 5 watts easily excites the KXPA100 to it?s max. Here?s my question: the KXPA100 cable takes up the ACC1 and ACC2 slots. I would really like to use one of the software spectrum displays (maybe iSDR for the iPad, or a Mac equivalent). However, they require ACC1 out. Can ACC1 be split somehow for two devices?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles 
> 
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sara at vu3rsb.org  Thu Oct 23 13:06:09 2014
From: sara at vu3rsb.org (Sara, VU3RSB - India)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:36:09 +0530
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for Elecraft K3 used radio
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 23 13:09:22 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:09:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54493642.4090309@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/23/2014 3:58 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> I have a BC band filter which is used with the MFJ antenna analyzer 
> when there are nearby BC signals. Sure enough, putting this in series 
> with the K3 ANT 1 connector kills the noise. Of course I can't 
> transmit through it. 

Hi Vic,

A few suggestions. First, try the BC Band filter on the K3 RX loop. If 
that works, work out a switching arrangement so that you can apply it to 
either antenna. Second, build or buy a BCB filter that can handle the K3 
output. Based on the frequency of the BCB transmitter, one of the lower 
cost filters should work. I've measured the vintage ICE BCB filter, and 
it's good for at least 40 dB on 1080.

Another thought is that this might be common mode on the coax, in which 
case a serious ferrite choke tuned to 1080 might help. I'd start with at 
least 20 turns of RG58 on a #31 2.4-in toroid, and I'd put it by the rig.

73, Jim K9YC

From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Oct 23 13:12:08 2014
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KXPA100 and ACC1
In-Reply-To: <6FECFA31-804A-4801-9E82-9893EBE7719B@gmail.com>
References: <EBBB7856-6A54-4448-AAE4-DCEC80B86427@me.com>
	<6FECFA31-804A-4801-9E82-9893EBE7719B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62FAFBF2-D082-492B-97E1-1E0DB2AEA03A@me.com>

Indeed it is! Thanks for answering a newby. 
Now, another question for all of you: is there any complication that typically develops when running the 100 watt KXPA100 into a higher power liner amplifier. In my case, an Ameritron ALS-600S. I am aware of the switching cable phono plug on the KXPA100 that has to connect to the Ameritron external on-off relay.


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Matt VK2RQ <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The ACC1 port is split out on the KXPA100 itself -- plug your PC into the "PC" side ACC1 port on the KXPA100, and the KXPA100 will forward any KX3 commands to the KX3 (ie. it is basically a "daisy chain" connection topology)
> 
> 73,
> Matt VK2RQ
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2014, at 3:38 am, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> KX3 serial 6-thousand something is born. Very impressed. What a tight little machine. Maiden QSO last evening using the KXPA100 @ 110 watts. This is a very efficient combo: under 5 watts easily excites the KXPA100 to it?s max. Here?s my question: the KXPA100 cable takes up the ACC1 and ACC2 slots. I would really like to use one of the software spectrum displays (maybe iSDR for the iPad, or a Mac equivalent). However, they require ACC1 out. Can ACC1 be split somehow for two devices?
>> 
>> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dhmulford at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:23:06 2014
From: dhmulford at gmail.com (David - KI4UVC)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:23:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <5442BE9E.5070604@embarqmail.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
	<1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5442BE9E.5070604@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1414084986084-7594094.post@n2.nabble.com>

Don,

Thank you for your very informative and helpful post - this clears up quite
a bit of how the ACC2 interfacing is taken care of.

I contacted Elecraft support and was given my original settings (I had
neglected to save) and restored the unit to "factory fresh" status - with
the exception of having the latest up-to-date-firmware.

What is interesting about out this is that I have "possibly" discovered a
bug not many will run into.

When I restored my unit to original factory settings - I am able to move/set
the ACC2 to different "states" in the firmware/menu with no issues
whatsoever - irregardless of what frequency VFO1 is set to.  So I can set
ACC2 menu options for all options and the unit functions normally -
irregardless of in-band or out-of-amateur band VFO1 settings.
Just like in the KX3 manual I can try setting the ACC2 menu options for OFF
(output, 0 V), ON (output, 3 V), LO=PTT (input; apply 0 V or ground to
activate PTT), HI=PTT (input; apply 3 to 5 V to activate PTT), LO=Inh
(input; 0 V inhibits transmit), HI=Inh (input; 3 to 5 V inhibits transmit),
TRN CTRL - and everything works just fine and dandy.

It's AFTER I run the KX3 Extended VFO Temperature Compensation Procedure
that things get interesting.
If VFOA is tuned to any of the Amateur bands (in band) I have full access to
the ACC2 menu options.
If I try any of the ACC2 options while the KX3 is tuned outside the amateur
bands (Specifically the XG50 49.380 frequency for instance) the moment that
I use VFOA to try and select any of the ACC2 menu options this sequence
happens:  I select Menu -> ACC2 (via VFOB )-> OFF to ON (VFOA - OK) -> ON to
LO=PTT (VFOA - unit hangs - no buttons or knobs operate and unit won't power
down unless power is removed) 

The might not affect many people that try changing ACC2 settings in the
amateur bands, but this outside of band behavior with the total lockup of my
unit is a bit of a pain.  Not that I'm going to be mucking with ACC2
settings that often!

- David





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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:27:21 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:27:21 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <201410231019.49742.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
	<72DBF08437B34B0088570E04D0F41176@pinnacle05df05>
	<54490D66.4040501@gmail.com>
	<201410231019.49742.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <54493A79.5020906@gmail.com>

Oh, absolutely. I noticed that I can see the towers of the 50 kW station 
from my roof!

On 23 Oct 2014 18:19, Al Gulseth wrote:
> There's an old adage about "if life hands you lemons, make lemonade." With
> that kind of field strength (a rough estimate from a chart I found indicates
> about 0.2v/m or so at your QTH) I'd think you could hook a wire to a tuned
> circuit on the BC station's frequency and then rectify the RF from it to
> charge a small battery and let them foot the bill for some of your energy
> needs. You might even be able to run a K1 etc. on it. (My comment is based on
> remembering plans for a simple "free power" radio in a mag some years ago.)
>
> 73, Al
>
>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO"
>>> <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:58 AM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
>>>
>>>> I live about 3.3 miles from a 50 kW BC station on 1080 kHz. It is on
>>>> 24 hours a day, transmitting in Arabic, not that that matters.

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 23 13:27:40 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:27:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <1414084986084-7594094.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
	<1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5442BE9E.5070604@embarqmail.com>
	<1414084986084-7594094.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3B3D84E1-FF0A-436F-AB1E-27FFBE92F302@elecraft.com>

Bug, now on the list.

tnx
Wayne
N6KR

On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, David - KI4UVC <dhmulford at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don,
> 
> Thank you for your very informative and helpful post - this clears up quite
> a bit of how the ACC2 interfacing is taken care of.
> 
> I contacted Elecraft support and was given my original settings (I had
> neglected to save) and restored the unit to "factory fresh" status - with
> the exception of having the latest up-to-date-firmware.
> 
> What is interesting about out this is that I have "possibly" discovered a
> bug not many will run into.
> 
> When I restored my unit to original factory settings - I am able to move/set
> the ACC2 to different "states" in the firmware/menu with no issues
> whatsoever - irregardless of what frequency VFO1 is set to.  So I can set
> ACC2 menu options for all options and the unit functions normally -
> irregardless of in-band or out-of-amateur band VFO1 settings.
> Just like in the KX3 manual I can try setting the ACC2 menu options for OFF
> (output, 0 V), ON (output, 3 V), LO=PTT (input; apply 0 V or ground to
> activate PTT), HI=PTT (input; apply 3 to 5 V to activate PTT), LO=Inh
> (input; 0 V inhibits transmit), HI=Inh (input; 3 to 5 V inhibits transmit),
> TRN CTRL - and everything works just fine and dandy.
> 
> It's AFTER I run the KX3 Extended VFO Temperature Compensation Procedure
> that things get interesting.
> If VFOA is tuned to any of the Amateur bands (in band) I have full access to
> the ACC2 menu options.
> If I try any of the ACC2 options while the KX3 is tuned outside the amateur
> bands (Specifically the XG50 49.380 frequency for instance) the moment that
> I use VFOA to try and select any of the ACC2 menu options this sequence
> happens:  I select Menu -> ACC2 (via VFOB )-> OFF to ON (VFOA - OK) -> ON to
> LO=PTT (VFOA - unit hangs - no buttons or knobs operate and unit won't power
> down unless power is removed) 
> 
> The might not affect many people that try changing ACC2 settings in the
> amateur bands, but this outside of band behavior with the total lockup of my
> unit is a bit of a pain.  Not that I'm going to be mucking with ACC2
> settings that often!
> 
> - David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dhmulford at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:35:59 2014
From: dhmulford at gmail.com (David - KI4UVC)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
In-Reply-To: <1414084986084-7594094.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1413638864469-7593972.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54427197.3060004@embarqmail.com>
	<1413644029959-7593980.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5442BE9E.5070604@embarqmail.com>
	<1414084986084-7594094.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1414085759354-7594097.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thinking about this - perhaps with ACC2 set to Lo=PTT the unit is attempting
to transmit and notices it is "out of band" and just hangs up the
firmware???  What's strange is that this behavior does not happen until I
try the Temp Compensation routine - which you would think would only affect
the PLL/Oscillator lookup tables.

- de KI4UVC



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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:36:59 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:36:59 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <54493642.4090309@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
	<54493642.4090309@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <54493CBB.5030908@gmail.com>

It isn't necessary to filter the loop. What is happening is that BC RF 
is coming into the ANT1 connector of the K3 from the vertical, where it 
is mixing up with every other signal around, probably in the t/r switch 
section. Then the IMD products (which are on numerous frequencies) are 
getting re-radiated by the vertical, and they are picked up by the loop.

You can see this by hooking the loop to RX IN and listening. The noise 
is only there when you plug the vertical into ANT1.

I made a 4-pole Butterworth filter that cuts off at 2.5 MHz using the 
filter design program that came with the ARRL handbook, husky enough to 
transmit through, and put it on the ANT1 connector. That did it -- no 
more noise on either antenna.

If Wayne would like me to test the Elecraft filter I will be happy to do 
so. It will be interesting to compare to my homemade one.

On 23 Oct 2014 20:09, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/23/2014 3:58 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>> I have a BC band filter which is used with the MFJ antenna analyzer
>> when there are nearby BC signals. Sure enough, putting this in series
>> with the K3 ANT 1 connector kills the noise. Of course I can't
>> transmit through it.
>
> Hi Vic,
>
> A few suggestions. First, try the BC Band filter on the K3 RX loop. If
> that works, work out a switching arrangement so that you can apply it to
> either antenna. Second, build or buy a BCB filter that can handle the K3
> output. Based on the frequency of the BCB transmitter, one of the lower
> cost filters should work. I've measured the vintage ICE BCB filter, and
> it's good for at least 40 dB on 1080.
>
> Another thought is that this might be common mode on the coax, in which
> case a serious ferrite choke tuned to 1080 might help. I'd start with at
> least 20 turns of RG58 on a #31 2.4-in toroid, and I'd put it by the rig.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From mail at brucemicek.com  Thu Oct 23 13:35:14 2014
From: mail at brucemicek.com (mail at brucemicek.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:35:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?K3_For_Sale?=
Message-ID: <mailman.121.1414085945.11565.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I love my KX3 but I?m beginning my search for a clean, K3 with CW options and P3. If you know of a reliable someone, please contact me at mail at brucemicek.com.


Thanks,


Bruce, W9AKX






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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 23 13:55:15 2014
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:55:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <1414086915.36271.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This doesn't apply in Vic's case here, but his situation reminds me of yet another benefit of using a link-coupled tuner with balanced line feeding a horizontal antenna in the center.

A balanced link-coupled tuner turns out to be a high-pass filter, so while you're tuning it up on a ham band, it's rejecting stuff in the AM broadcast band.

When tuned on 80 meters, I've measured the 1400 kHz rejection of my tuner at about 40 dB. Forty dB makes a 50 kW signal sound like a 5 W signal. I might be in bad shape if I didn't have this tuner.

Another good thing to remember when planning an antenna installation.

Al  W6LX

From breedenwb at cableone.net  Thu Oct 23 14:01:16 2014
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:01:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microphone Hum
Message-ID: <5449426C.5090609@cableone.net>


I noticed an AC hum in the monitor audio in my headphones while calling 
with one of the W1AW portables.  While wondering if the hum was really 
in my transmit audio, the W1AW Operator came back to me and reported the 
hum.  I use a Heil Proset K2/K3 via the front panel microphone connector 
through a Kenwood style (red band) Heil pigtail.  After completing the 
QSO I switched to Test mode and I could still hear the hum when I 
transmitted.  Thinking I had a poor connection, I disconnected and 
reconnected both ends of the pigtail, but the hum persisted.  While 
doing that I noticed there was no hum if I activated the push to talk 
with microphone unplugged from the pigtail.  That had me baffled for a 
few moments until I remembered that the Proset K2/K3 requires bias 
voltage from the K3.  At that point I used the "2" button in the "MIC 
SEL" menu to turn the bias off and on a few times and the hum was 
disappeared.  I haven't researched the details of the bias switching 
arrangement in the K3 but it appears that mine needed some exercise to 
clear a bad connection.  I thought I would pass this on to the rest of 
the group in case someone else encounters this issue.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


From k6ctw at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 14:36:16 2014
From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:36:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
Message-ID: <30549763.1414089376717.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Oct 23 15:46:58 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:46:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
Message-ID: <201410231946.s9NJkxHU092886@ingra.acsalaska.net>

Dave,

Going to snip your comments to keep this brief (I hope).  Subject 
line is not even close - but oh well!

Having been a technical writer for the aerospace industry 
(electronics), this is very close subject.  Its a challenge to use 
font and emphasis when one wants certain text to stand out and be noticed
Warning! Aux Ant

I hope the reflector will show the increased font size and color.
I would say that web designers and media artists and advertising 
specialist deal with this issue.

I've tried to keep this in mind when putting together technical 
presentations (power-point).  I have seen fancy wall paper used on 
the background and use of color combo's that ruined perfectly 
interesting papers.

I just had a eyesight test for new glasses and was told of early 
onset of macular degeneration (age 70) which was not welcome news, as 
I still like doing surface-mount construction.  So I am sympathetic 
to your vision issues.

I would think/suggest that computerized control panel software might 
be a solution if one can modify the display fonts (the designer adds 
change of font size in the set up menu).  With our advancing age of 
hams this might be more than a nicety?

I am always running into configuration errors with my complicated 
station - too many cables and switches that need setting correctly.

So far I have not had trouble reading the screen for either the K3 or 
KX3, but as complex as these radios are, one should suspect "pilot 
error" before suspecting failure of the radio or station hardware.

73, Ed - KL7UW


-------------
From: <w7aqk at cox.net>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
Message-ID: <2F54AB6B74354B8990CCAB14D9AAC5FE at TDYDell>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
         reply-type=original

Hi All,

If there is a downside to the K3's size, the problem described in this
thread demonstrates that.  The rig is small, and so is the display.  So,
some of the displayed info gets overlooked easily.  Still, there is a lot of
info shown on the display, but much of it is in "fine print"!  Which antenna
you are using is one of those small print items.  Or, maybe it's just that
the info as to the antenna in use gets lost amid all the other info being
displayed!!!  Since my eyesight is slowly but surely going south on me, I
tend to suffer from the small print issue--at least on occasion.  In any
event, I've committed the same "sin" as Fred did, and more than once.  Most
recently was when I was hearing about all sorts of activity on 6 meters, but
I was hearing none.  That went on for days until I realized I was listening
on "no antenna"!  Ask me how dumb I felt when I finally realized my error!



73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com

From epr at evross.com  Thu Oct 23 16:11:17 2014
From: epr at evross.com (Eric Ross)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:11:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Microphone Hum
In-Reply-To: <5449426C.5090609@cableone.net>
References: <5449426C.5090609@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <1414095077.261083.182603293.2C277A49@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I also had a hum caused when my SIgnalink device was connected to the
computer but NOT powered on.

Eric - WB7SDE

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:
> 
> I noticed an AC hum in the monitor audio in my headphones while calling 
> with one of the W1AW portables.  While wondering if the hum was really 
> in my transmit audio, the W1AW Operator came back to me and reported the 
> hum.  I use a Heil Proset K2/K3 via the front panel microphone connector 
> through a Kenwood style (red band) Heil pigtail.  After completing the 
> QSO I switched to Test mode and I could still hear the hum when I 
> transmitted.  Thinking I had a poor connection, I disconnected and 
> reconnected both ends of the pigtail, but the hum persisted.  While 
> doing that I noticed there was no hum if I activated the push to talk 
> with microphone unplugged from the pigtail.  That had me baffled for a 
> few moments until I remembered that the Proset K2/K3 requires bias 
> voltage from the K3.  At that point I used the "2" button in the "MIC 
> SEL" menu to turn the bias off and on a few times and the hum was 
> disappeared.  I haven't researched the details of the bias switching 
> arrangement in the K3 but it appears that mine needed some exercise to 
> clear a bad connection.  I thought I would pass this on to the rest of 
> the group in case someone else encounters this issue.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bill - NA5DX
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From zabarnick at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 16:33:02 2014
From: zabarnick at gmail.com (zabarnick .)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] zeroing K3 internal tuner
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Since I exclusively use balanced ladder line fed antennas, I have been
using an external Palstar balanced tuner rather than my K3 internal
KAT3 tuner. Recently, I've decided  to give the internal tuner another
try.

I find that on some bands, even though the KAT3 brings the SWR match
below 2:1, the transmitter output power is reduced from 100 watts to
the 60-70 watt range. I don't see this issue with the external tuner,
but I can almost always find a 1:1 match. Is this because my muti-band
non-resonant doublet is providing impedances that are too difficult
for the KAT3 to match? Or is something more sinister afoot?

Steve N9SZ

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:11 PM, zabarnick . <zabarnick at gmail.com> wrote:
> My K3 SWR meter no longer reads 1:1 into a 50 ohm dummy load or
> matched load. The lowest it will read is 1.2:1. Is there a calibration
> or zeroing I should redo?
>
> Steve N9SZ

From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Thu Oct 23 16:36:34 2014
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
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Pardon my ignorance here, but I thought a link coupled tuner would be more of 
a bandpass than a high-pass filter. CLC T-network tuners (MFJ etc.) are the 
ones usually associated with becoming high-pass networks if misadjusted.

73, Al

On Thu October 23 2014 12:55:15 pm Al Lorona wrote:
> This doesn't apply in Vic's case here, but his situation reminds me of yet
> another benefit of using a link-coupled tuner with balanced line feeding a
> horizontal antenna in the center.
>
> A balanced link-coupled tuner turns out to be a high-pass filter, so while
> you're tuning it up on a ham band, it's rejecting stuff in the AM broadcast
> band.
>
> When tuned on 80 meters, I've measured the 1400 kHz rejection of my tuner
> at about 40 dB. Forty dB makes a 50 kW signal sound like a 5 W signal. I
> might be in bad shape if I didn't have this tuner.
>
> Another good thing to remember when planning an antenna installation.
>
> Al  W6LX
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 23 16:36:49 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:36:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
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On 10/23/2014 10:36 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> It isn't necessary to filter the loop. What is happening is that BC RF 
> is coming into the ANT1 connector of the K3 from the vertical, where 
> it is mixing up with every other signal around, probably in the t/r 
> switch section. Then the IMD products (which are on numerous 
> frequencies) are getting re-radiated by the vertical, and they are 
> picked up by the loop. 

Maybe, and if you're right, my suggestion may not help. But you 
misunderstood my suggestion. There is an insert point between the T/R 
switch and the RX input. That's the RX loop I was talking about -- you 
insert the filter there.

73, Jim K9YC

From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct 23 16:52:09 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:52:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
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> Maybe, and if you're right, my suggestion may not help. But you
> misunderstood my suggestion. There is an insert point between the
> T/R switch and the RX input. That's the RX loop I was talking about
> -- you insert the filter there.

The insert point is *after* the PIN diode T/R switches for both the HPA 
(KPA3) and 10W LPA.  Given Vic's description, it is likely the noise is
being generated in one or more of the PIN diodes in the T/R switching
and placing the highpass filter in the insert point will not resolve
the noise.  Vic, you can bypass (disable) the KPA3 to see if the noise
generation is in the KPA3 T/R switch.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-23 4:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/23/2014 10:36 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>> It isn't necessary to filter the loop. What is happening is that BC RF
>> is coming into the ANT1 connector of the K3 from the vertical, where
>> it is mixing up with every other signal around, probably in the t/r
>> switch section. Then the IMD products (which are on numerous
>> frequencies) are getting re-radiated by the vertical, and they are
>> picked up by the loop.
>
> Maybe, and if you're right, my suggestion may not help. But you
> misunderstood my suggestion. There is an insert point between the T/R
> switch and the RX input. That's the RX loop I was talking about -- you
> insert the filter there.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Oct 23 17:14:24 2014
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 on 40 meters
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On 10/23/2014 12:46 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> Having been a technical writer for the aerospace industry (electronics),
> this is very close subject.  Its a challenge to use font and emphasis
> when one wants certain text to stand out and be noticed
> Warning! Aux Ant
>
> I hope the reflector will show the increased font size and color.

Didn't for me in T-Bird

> I just had a eyesight test for new glasses and was told of early onset
> of macular degeneration (age 70) which was not welcome news, as I still
> like doing surface-mount construction.  So I am sympathetic to your
> vision issues.

Sorry to hear that, Ed.

> So far I have not had trouble reading the screen for either the K3 or
> KX3, but as complex as these radios are, one should suspect "pilot
> error" before suspecting failure of the radio or station hardware.

I have no color vision [answering the question, "What colors can you 
see?" before it is asked, "I can see all of them.  I just can't name 
them."], so I'm a bit sensitive to documents and presentations that try 
to convey a lot of information in color with no other distinction.

If I had gotten to choose the K3 display, I'd have chosen black on white 
[more contrast] like my Kindle Fire, but I can see the black on orange 
OK.  After my embarrassment with Wayne on the phone, I ALWAYS assume 
pilot error until I've gone through every icon on the display. If 
someone has a concise chart of what is "remembered" where, I'd buy a 
copy and laminate it for the desk.

Incidentally, for any color-challenged folks out there with a P3, Alan 
put a monochrome waterfall option in not long after I got mine and 
whined on this list about not being able to see weak signals.  A couple 
of my friends who *can* name colors use it now.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 23 17:34:31 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:34:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
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On 10/23/2014 1:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Given Vic's description, it is likely the noise is
> being generated in one or more of the PIN diodes in the T/R switching
> and placing the highpass filter in the insert point will not resolve
> the noise. 

I agree.

73, Jim

From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Oct 23 19:14:02 2014
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:14:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] zeroing K3 internal tuner
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Steve, you didn't say how long your antenna is, but I feed an 88-foot long doublet with about 110 feet of 450 ohm ladder line. Sometimes I use the KAT3 tuner, sometimes my KAT500. Both of them have no problem getting close to 1:1 on 40-6 meters and about 1.6:1 on 80. In no instance does the K3 fold back power for me. I assume you have some sort of balun between the K3 and the ladder line... Mine is a Balun Designs 5KW 4:1 model. Any chance you are getting RF back into the K3 causing it to act goofy?

Jim / W6JHB


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:33 PM, zabarnick . <zabarnick at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Since I exclusively use balanced ladder line fed antennas, I have been
> using an external Palstar balanced tuner rather than my K3 internal
> KAT3 tuner. Recently, I've decided  to give the internal tuner another
> try.
> 
> I find that on some bands, even though the KAT3 brings the SWR match
> below 2:1, the transmitter output power is reduced from 100 watts to
> the 60-70 watt range. I don't see this issue with the external tuner,
> but I can almost always find a 1:1 match. Is this because my muti-band
> non-resonant doublet is providing impedances that are too difficult
> for the KAT3 to match? Or is something more sinister afoot?
> 
> Steve N9SZ
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:11 PM, zabarnick . <zabarnick at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My K3 SWR meter no longer reads 1:1 into a 50 ohm dummy load or
>> matched load. The lowest it will read is 1.2:1. Is there a calibration
>> or zeroing I should redo?
>> 
>> Steve N9SZ
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 23 19:40:15 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] zeroing K3 internal tuner
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Steve,

My suspicion is that the impedance at the shack end of your feedline is 
quite low on those bands where you are having trouble.  Try adding 1/8 
to 1/4 wavelength of feedline and give it another try. Many autotuners 
do not like low impedances.
Otherwise the K3 internal tuner can match an SWR of 10:1 or less.

73,
W3FPR

On 10/23/2014 4:33 PM, zabarnick . wrote:
> Since I exclusively use balanced ladder line fed antennas, I have been
> using an external Palstar balanced tuner rather than my K3 internal
> KAT3 tuner. Recently, I've decided  to give the internal tuner another
> try.
>
> I find that on some bands, even though the KAT3 brings the SWR match
> below 2:1, the transmitter output power is reduced from 100 watts to
> the 60-70 watt range. I don't see this issue with the external tuner,
> but I can almost always find a 1:1 match. Is this because my muti-band
> non-resonant doublet is providing impedances that are too difficult
> for the KAT3 to match? Or is something more sinister afoot?
>
>


From dhmulford at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 20:11:03 2014
From: dhmulford at gmail.com (David - KI4UVC)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 PTT 2.25/1.30 bug?
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Thanks for looking into this Wayne.  I hope my discovery helps.
Elecraft support is fantastic- and I'm continually impressed with your
active involvement in the Elecraft  community.  If only all companies were
run the same way, the world would be a much better place.

Cheers and 73's

-David



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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Oct 23 20:25:38 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
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Good question and answers here   I did the same as don suggested up till 
recently.   I have  a Heathkit TX1.  I had no receiver until recently 
when I got the RX1 to go with it.   bit of a crappy reciever but its 
still a fun to do the nostalgia thing.    The TX1 will crank out a whole 
lot more power on AM and CW than the K3 and it warms the shack in the 
winter. Its not all DX and contests  sometimes its fun to get out the 
old and tinker.   next up is 1930 era two tube  push pull UX-245 40m 
transmitter   now were talking chirp!.


David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/23/2014 09:13, stan levandowski wrote:
> Phil, AD5X, has an article on a T/R switch at: 
>  http://www.ad5x.com/images/Articles/QSKBArevA.pdf
>
>
> I've built it and it works FB.
>
>
> As far as why one would want to do this: It's just downright "fun" to 
> build a homebrew tube rig, for QRP or otherwise, and to restore a 
> vintage transmitter.  If we already have a good, modern transceiver in 
> the shack, then half the problem is solved.
>
>
> I've had much fun with my Xtal controlled 6C4-5763 rig, chirps and 
> all....
>
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Although I am not certain why you would want to do that, it can be 
>> done - Elecraft gear offers seamless transceive operation all by 
>> itself, so I do not understand the fascination with an external tube 
>> type transmitter.  OTOH, if you really want to do that --
>>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 23 20:44:53 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:44:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
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Re: Heath TX1 power --
The Heath TX1 used a pair of 6146 output tubes, those normally run 180 
watts *input* power.
Modern transceivers (K3 included) are rated fort power output.
If one assumes a 67% efficiency (realistic) at 180 watts input, the 
output power will be 120 watts - that is about what one can get from a 
K3, although I do not recommend running the power knob to more than 100 
watts to keep IMD under control.

Sooo - I don't think the TX1 will "crank out a whole more power"  It 
seems to me to be about the same.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/23/2014 8:25 PM, david Moes wrote:
> Good question and answers here   I did the same as don suggested up 
> till recently.   I have  a Heathkit TX1.  I had no receiver until 
> recently when I got the RX1 to go with it.   bit of a crappy reciever 
> but its still a fun to do the nostalgia thing.    The TX1 will crank 
> out a whole lot more power on AM and CW than the K3 and it warms the 
> shack in the winter. Its not all DX and contests sometimes its fun to 
> get out the old and tinker.   next up is 1930 era two tube  push pull 
> UX-245 40m transmitter   now were talking chirp!.
>


From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Oct 23 20:57:47 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:57:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
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the TX1 with High level plate modulation it will do way more on AM than 
the K3  I get about 110W carrier.  the TX1 didn't do SSB without 
additional hardware which I have but its not yet restored.   the real 
point is the vintage fun factor of restoring and getting on the air with 
110lbs of iron.

David Moes


VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/23/2014 20:44, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Re: Heath TX1 power --
> The Heath TX1 used a pair of 6146 output tubes, those normally run 180 
> watts *input* power.
> Modern transceivers (K3 included) are rated fort power output.
> If one assumes a 67% efficiency (realistic) at 180 watts input, the 
> output power will be 120 watts - that is about what one can get from a 
> K3, although I do not recommend running the power knob to more than 
> 100 watts to keep IMD under control.
>
> Sooo - I don't think the TX1 will "crank out a whole more power" It 
> seems to me to be about the same.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/23/2014 8:25 PM, david Moes wrote:
>> Good question and answers here   I did the same as don suggested up 
>> till recently.   I have  a Heathkit TX1.  I had no receiver until 
>> recently when I got the RX1 to go with it.   bit of a crappy reciever 
>> but its still a fun to do the nostalgia thing.    The TX1 will crank 
>> out a whole lot more power on AM and CW than the K3 and it warms the 
>> shack in the winter. Its not all DX and contests sometimes its fun to 
>> get out the old and tinker.   next up is 1930 era two tube  push pull 
>> UX-245 40m transmitter   now were talking chirp!.
>>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 23 21:10:28 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:10:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
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David,

Yes, I did not consider that a plate modulated AM transmitter will 
produce AM with a carrier power equal to the CW power.  That is 120 
watts 100% modulated on AM.  That is 120 watts of carrier and 60 watts 
in each sideband.  Effective communications power is 60 watts compared 
to 100 watts SSB power with the K3 and similar  100 watt class transceivers.

  A transmitter like the K3 which develops AM at a low level stage and 
amplifies it must drop the carrier power back to about 50% of the full 
power to prevent excessive heat dissipation while remaining linear.

Sorry, but I am not a fan of "Ancient Modulation".  Talk power with SSB 
is so much greater than AM.  Just my not so humble opinion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/23/2014 8:57 PM, david Moes wrote:
> the TX1 with High level plate modulation it will do way more on AM 
> than the K3  I get about 110W carrier.  the TX1 didn't do SSB without 
> additional hardware which I have but its not yet restored.   the real 
> point is the vintage fun factor of restoring and getting on the air 
> with 110lbs of iron.
>


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 23:05:27 2014
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:05:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - dBV question
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Hallo Ralf!

Yes.

The measurements are taken post-filter and post-AGC.

73,

Lyle KK7P
> Hi Lyle,
>
> So I actually measure a quantity that is proportional to the energy (signal + noise) that has been "collected" in the display update time, am I getting this right?
>
> Greetings
>
> Ralf, DL6OAP
>
>
>
> Am 20.10.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Lyle
>
>> The DSP uses audio samples at a 12 kHz rate and performs a true RMS calculation on the samples.  The result is computed over the display update time (1 second?) the buffer flushed and the process repeated..
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Lyle KK7P
>>
>>> ... but am not sure, if I can
>>> compare the values directly, since I do not know how the data is being
>>> generated and processed. Maybe someone on the list or at Elecraft can help
>>> me out.


From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Thu Oct 23 23:36:47 2014
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
Message-ID: <AABLEVUXEAZEJAVJ@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>

check the OT contest sponsored by the Antique Wireless Association
usually Hartleys or TPTG rigs what a fantastic contest
it is an honor to get a chirp report from a O O
80 and 40 meters 

I have a hartley which can chirp out of the passband of a modern rcv
depends on how much power I try to get out of it

HAR

Bob K3DJC

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:25:38 -0400 david Moes <dmoes at nexicom.net> writes:
> Good question and answers here   I did the same as don suggested up 
> till 
> recently.   I have  a Heathkit TX1.  I had no receiver until 
> recently 
> when I got the RX1 to go with it.   bit of a crappy reciever but its 
> 
> still a fun to do the nostalgia thing.    The TX1 will crank out a 
> whole 
> lot more power on AM and CW than the K3 and it warms the shack in 
> the 
> winter. Its not all DX and contests  sometimes its fun to get out 
> the 
> old and tinker.   next up is 1930 era two tube  push pull UX-245 40m 
> 
> transmitter   now were talking chirp!.
> 
> 
> David Moes
> President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
> dmoes at nexicom.net
> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
> 
> On 10/23/2014 09:13, stan levandowski wrote:
> > Phil, AD5X, has an article on a T/R switch at: 
> >  http://www.ad5x.com/images/Articles/QSKBArevA.pdf
> >
> >
> > I've built it and it works FB.
> >
> >
> > As far as why one would want to do this: It's just downright "fun" 
> to 
> > build a homebrew tube rig, for QRP or otherwise, and to restore a 
> 
> > vintage transmitter.  If we already have a good, modern 
> transceiver in 
> > the shack, then half the problem is solved.
> >
> >
> > I've had much fun with my Xtal controlled 6C4-5763 rig, chirps and 
> 
> > all....
> >
> >
> > 73, Stan WB2LQF
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >
> >> Eric,
> >>
> >> Although I am not certain why you would want to do that, it can 
> be 
> >> done - Elecraft gear offers seamless transceive operation all by 
> 
> >> itself, so I do not understand the fascination with an external 
> tube 
> >> type transmitter.  OTOH, if you really want to do that --
> >>
> >
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From n1al at sonic.net  Thu Oct 23 23:58:33 2014
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
In-Reply-To: <5449A40B.3070106@nexicom.net>
References: <235312008.32006.1414033166493.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<544881A8.9010703@embarqmail.com>	<6030f150.139147.1493d238ca1.Webtop.39@optonline.net>	<54499C82.3010406@nexicom.net>	<5449A105.4060706@embarqmail.com>
	<5449A40B.3070106@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <5449CE69.2010701@sonic.net>

 > the TX1

Ah yes, the "Scratchy Apache" was a fine radio.  I had the SB-10 SSB 
adapter to go with it.  It worked great with a VHF transmitting 
converter because the low-level output from the SB-10 was just about the 
right power level to drive the converter.

I used to frequently get unsolicited compliments on my audio quality.  
(No crystal filters in the transmit path.)

Alan N1AL



On 10/23/2014 05:57 PM, david Moes wrote:
> the TX1 with High level plate modulation it will do way more on AM 
> than the K3  I get about 110W carrier.  the TX1 didn't do SSB without 
> additional hardware which I have but its not yet restored.   the real 
> point is the vintage fun factor of restoring and getting on the air 
> with 110lbs of iron.
>
> David Moes
>
>
> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>
> On 10/23/2014 20:44, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Re: Heath TX1 power --
>> The Heath TX1 used a pair of 6146 output tubes, those normally run 
>> 180 watts *input* power.
>> Modern transceivers (K3 included) are rated fort power output.
>> If one assumes a 67% efficiency (realistic) at 180 watts input, the 
>> output power will be 120 watts - that is about what one can get from 
>> a K3, although I do not recommend running the power knob to more than 
>> 100 watts to keep IMD under control.
>>
>> Sooo - I don't think the TX1 will "crank out a whole more power" It 
>> seems to me to be about the same.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/23/2014 8:25 PM, david Moes wrote:
>>> Good question and answers here   I did the same as don suggested up 
>>> till recently.   I have  a Heathkit TX1.  I had no receiver until 
>>> recently when I got the RX1 to go with it.   bit of a crappy 
>>> reciever but its still a fun to do the nostalgia thing.    The TX1 
>>> will crank out a whole lot more power on AM and CW than the K3 and 
>>> it warms the shack in the winter. Its not all DX and contests 
>>> sometimes its fun to get out the old and tinker.   next up is 1930 
>>> era two tube  push pull UX-245 40m transmitter   now were talking 
>>> chirp!.
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 03:10:39 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:10:39 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <54497467.7050206@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>	<54493642.4090309@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<54493CBB.5030908@gmail.com>	<544966E1.6030305@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<54496A79.1050706@subich.com>
	<54497467.7050206@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5449FB6F.10303@gmail.com>

Yes, the solution to the problem was a highpass filter between the 
vertical antenna and the K3 ANT1 connector.

On 24 Oct 2014 00:34, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/23/2014 1:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> Given Vic's description, it is likely the noise is
>> being generated in one or more of the PIN diodes in the T/R switching
>> and placing the highpass filter in the insert point will not resolve
>> the noise.
>
> I agree.
>
> 73, Jim

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From dave at davesergeant.com  Fri Oct 24 06:46:04 2014
From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:46:04 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 PA Bias
Message-ID: <544A2DEC.2307.1207978@dave.davesergeant.com>

I am aligning my new XV50, latest build using the RA30H0608M module and 
having issues with setting the quiescent bias of the pa as per the 
manual. I see others have had this same problem but I can find no 
answers.

The manaul calls for R39 to be adjusted for 20mV on the DMM across 
TP3/4 (across the 20mohm current sense resistor R17). With R39 at its 
maximum I get 16mV corresponding to a total current of 800mA as against 
the required 1A. This is confirmed by the digital current meter on the 
12V psu powering it and my K2, which increases from 0.5A to 1.3A when I 
enable transmit on the XV50.

Before anybody asks, I DO have link W1 fitted, and in fact I have the 
correct bias voltage on pin 2 of the output module. However there is 
where I suspect the problem as the maximum voltage achievable there is 
4.7V.

I found a datasheet of the RA30H0608M, albeit a preliminary one which 
has a few sheets 'in preparation'. It does not give any figures for 
standing bias versus the bias volts but suggests it must be somewhere 
between 4.5 and 5V (there is no power output below 4.5V). The voltage 
at the R29/R39 junction is limited by the current flowing through R28 
and the module bias current (typically 1mA). So I am wondering whether 
some rf modules need a bit more than 4.7V to get the correct bias 
current of around 1A. Maybe reducing the value of R39 (56 ohms) is the 
answer. Or is mine near enough for good linearity?

Any help welcome.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://davesergeant.com


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 07:46:16 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:46:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 PA Bias
In-Reply-To: <544A2DEC.2307.1207978@dave.davesergeant.com>
References: <544A2DEC.2307.1207978@dave.davesergeant.com>
Message-ID: <544A3C08.9000805@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

The PA bias control usually has much greater range than is needed, and 
the PA bias input should draw very little current.
Check the resistance of R39.  Is there a chance that you swapped R39 and 
R10 during the assembly?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 6:46 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
> I am aligning my new XV50, latest build using the RA30H0608M module and
> having issues with setting the quiescent bias of the pa as per the
> manual. I see others have had this same problem but I can find no
> answers.
>
> The manaul calls for R39 to be adjusted for 20mV on the DMM across
> TP3/4 (across the 20mohm current sense resistor R17). With R39 at its
> maximum I get 16mV corresponding to a total current of 800mA as against
> the required 1A. This is confirmed by the digital current meter on the
> 12V psu powering it and my K2, which increases from 0.5A to 1.3A when I
> enable transmit on the XV50.
>
> Before anybody asks, I DO have link W1 fitted, and in fact I have the
> correct bias voltage on pin 2 of the output module. However there is
> where I suspect the problem as the maximum voltage achievable there is
> 4.7V.
>
> I found a datasheet of the RA30H0608M, albeit a preliminary one which
> has a few sheets 'in preparation'. It does not give any figures for
> standing bias versus the bias volts but suggests it must be somewhere
> between 4.5 and 5V (there is no power output below 4.5V). The voltage
> at the R29/R39 junction is limited by the current flowing through R28
> and the module bias current (typically 1mA). So I am wondering whether
> some rf modules need a bit more than 4.7V to get the correct bias
> current of around 1A. Maybe reducing the value of R39 (56 ohms) is the
> answer. Or is mine near enough for good linearity?
>
>


From dave at davesergeant.com  Fri Oct 24 08:49:33 2014
From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:49:33 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 PA Bias
In-Reply-To: <544A3C08.9000805@embarqmail.com>
References: <544A2DEC.2307.1207978@dave.davesergeant.com>,
	<544A3C08.9000805@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <544A4ADD.16275.191878E@dave.davesergeant.com>

R39 is correct (10k pot) as is R10 (100k) and all the measurements 
confirm this. The adjustment range, measured at pin 2 of the amplifier 
module, is 2.5-4.7V, also what is expected from the circuit. The 
maximum voltage is limited to 4.7V because of the 5mA flowing through 
R28 which swamps the 1mA bias current.

What I would like to know is what the bias voltage should be on a 
correctly set up XV50. The datasheet seems to indicate it must be at 
least greater than 4.5V. It seems my amp needs more than 4.7V to get 
the correct bias, and judging from previous posts on this subject I 
don't think I am alone.

73 Dave G3YMC

On 24 Oct 2014 at 7:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> The PA bias control usually has much greater range than is needed, and
> the PA bias input should draw very little current. Check the resistance
> of R39.  Is there a chance that you swapped R39 and R10 during the
> assembly?
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/24/2014 6:46 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
> > I am aligning my new XV50, latest build using the RA30H0608M module
> > and having issues with setting the quiescent bias of the pa as per the
> > manual. I see others have had this same problem but I can find no
> > answers.
> >
> > The manaul calls for R39 to be adjusted for 20mV on the DMM across
> > TP3/4 (across the 20mohm current sense resistor R17). With R39 at its
> > maximum I get 16mV corresponding to a total current of 800mA as
> > against the required 1A. This is confirmed by the digital current
> > meter on the 12V psu powering it and my K2, which increases from 0.5A
> > to 1.3A when I enable transmit on the XV50.
> >
> > Before anybody asks, I DO have link W1 fitted, and in fact I have the
> > correct bias voltage on pin 2 of the output module. However there is
> > where I suspect the problem as the maximum voltage achievable there is
> > 4.7V.
> >
> > I found a datasheet of the RA30H0608M, albeit a preliminary one which
> > has a few sheets 'in preparation'. It does not give any figures for
> > standing bias versus the bias volts but suggests it must be somewhere
> > between 4.5 and 5V (there is no power output below 4.5V). The voltage
> > at the R29/R39 junction is limited by the current flowing through R28
> > and the module bias current (typically 1mA). So I am wondering whether
> > some rf modules need a bit more than 4.7V to get the correct bias
> > current of around 1A. Maybe reducing the value of R39 (56 ohms) is the
> > answer. Or is mine near enough for good linearity?
> >
> >
> 


http://davesergeant.com


From pincon at erols.com  Fri Oct 24 09:00:58 2014
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?
References: <235312008.32006.1414033166493.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<544881A8.9010703@embarqmail.com>	<6030f150.139147.1493d238ca1.Webtop.39@optonline.net>	<54499C82.3010406@nexicom.net>	<5449A105.4060706@embarqmail.com><5449A40B.3070106@nexicom.net>
	<5449CE69.2010701@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1F97B24D6065438D9A7506B45EEF5A43@pinnacle05df05>

Yes.......properly adjusted phasing type SSB generators have always been 
known for their excellent audio ala HT-37,  100V and now, even though it's 
performed in software, the KX3.

Maybe that "chirp" could be a new feature for Wayne to incorporate so we can 
pretend  *  we're operating a 30's hollow state xmtr.

73, Charlie k3ICH



*  I DO hope you don't think this was serious, but you never know how some 
comments are taken......


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan" <n1al at sonic.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using tube transmitter with K3/KX3/K2 as receiver?


> > the TX1
>
> Ah yes, the "Scratchy Apache" was a fine radio.  I had the SB-10 SSB 
> adapter to go with it.  It worked great with a VHF transmitting converter 
> because the low-level output from the SB-10 was just about the right power 
> level to drive the converter.
>
> I used to frequently get unsolicited compliments on my audio quality.  (No 
> crystal filters in the transmit path.)
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
>
> On 10/23/2014 05:57 PM, david Moes wrote:
>> the TX1 with High level plate modulation it will do way more on AM than 
>> the K3  I get about 110W carrier.  the TX1 didn't do SSB without 
>> additional hardware which I have but its not yet restored.   the real 
>> point is the vintage fun factor of restoring and getting on the air with 
>> 110lbs of iron.
>>
>> David Moes
>>
>>
>> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>>
>> On 10/23/2014 20:44, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Re: Heath TX1 power --
>>> The Heath TX1 used a pair of 6146 output tubes, those normally run 180 
>>> watts *input* power.
>>> Modern transceivers (K3 included) are rated fort power output.
>>> If one assumes a 67% efficiency (realistic) at 180 watts input, the 
>>> output power will be 120 watts - that is about what one can get from a 
>>> K3, although I do not recommend running the power knob to more than 100 
>>> watts to keep IMD under control.
>>>
>>> Sooo - I don't think the TX1 will "crank out a whole more power" It 
>>> seems to me to be about the same.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2014 8:25 PM, david Moes wrote:
>>>> Good question and answers here   I did the same as don suggested up 
>>>> till recently.   I have  a Heathkit TX1.  I had no receiver until 
>>>> recently when I got the RX1 to go with it.   bit of a crappy reciever 
>>>> but its still a fun to do the nostalgia thing.    The TX1 will crank 
>>>> out a whole lot more power on AM and CW than the K3 and it warms the 
>>>> shack in the winter. Its not all DX and contests sometimes its fun to 
>>>> get out the old and tinker.   next up is 1930 era two tube  push pull 
>>>> UX-245 40m transmitter   now were talking chirp!.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>>> Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net
>>>
>>
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>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 09:54:29 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:54:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 PA Bias
In-Reply-To: <544A4ADD.16275.191878E@dave.davesergeant.com>
References: <544A2DEC.2307.1207978@dave.davesergeant.com>,
	<544A3C08.9000805@embarqmail.com>
	<544A4ADD.16275.191878E@dave.davesergeant.com>
Message-ID: <544A5A15.7080301@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

R39 for the XV50 should be a 1k pot.  Typo or incorrect component?
The bias voltage is not the important factor, important is the ability 
to produce the proper idling current - that is why the instructions tell 
you to measure the voltage between TP3 and TP4 when setting the bias.
The voltage at the bias pin will typically be in the 4.7 volt range, but 
there is no problem if it is higher or lower.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 8:49 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
> R39 is correct (10k pot) as is R10 (100k) and all the measurements
> confirm this. The adjustment range, measured at pin 2 of the amplifier
> module, is 2.5-4.7V, also what is expected from the circuit. The
> maximum voltage is limited to 4.7V because of the 5mA flowing through
> R28 which swamps the 1mA bias current.
>
> What I would like to know is what the bias voltage should be on a
> correctly set up XV50. The datasheet seems to indicate it must be at
> least greater than 4.5V. It seems my amp needs more than 4.7V to get
> the correct bias, and judging from previous posts on this subject I
> don't think I am alone.
>
>


From doug at ellmore.net  Fri Oct 24 09:57:30 2014
From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:57:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
Message-ID: <CANAn7wziuzft=69yenvAELQ6h2qRn4X76+x+Q52gQEZ_e-7iDg@mail.gmail.com>

Last night I installed a new release of Win4K3 Suite (http://va2fsq.com/).
I installed two separate setups. One interfacing a K3 (interfaced to a i7
16GB RAM Laptop running Win8.1 Pro) and the other a KX3 (interface to a AMD
64 with 4GB desktop running Win8.1).  Both radios had the most recent
Elecraft updates.  An example desktop image is at my web site:

http://ellmore.net/na1dx/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/desktop-na1dx-10-23-2014-example.jpg

To support additional virtual com port management, I used the recommended
release of com0com:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/com0com/2.2.2.0/

On the desktop I have HRD Log and HRD Rotor, Win4K3 Suite, and NAP3 4.x
running.

For sometime I have been using with my K3 and KX3 with a number of software
products for dxing and contesting:

   - Ham Radio Deluxe 6.x - dxing and log management
   - LPBridge - for virtual com ports
   - NAP3 v4.x - for Panadapter, with Spots displayed and conversational
cw/psk/rtty
   - N1MM for contesting
   - CW Skimmer - for finding and work DX and Contest stations
   - FLDIGI - contest grade digital mode with N1mm
   - WinTelnetX (to handle multi dx clusters)


Win4KSuite replaces HRD's radio controller and server HamRadioDeluxe
application, so you can just run HRD's HRDLogbook application, which
interfaced really well with Win4K3Suite.

QSY from spots from HRD Log or the ClubLog spots from within Win4K3 Suite
were quick.  I was able to test the Win4K3 scope and NAP3 v4.x at the same
time.  I use an LP Pan interface in my K3 configuration.  I use Steinberg
UR22 USB 192kz external sound cards with ASIO drivers for both my K3 and
KX3 home QTH configurations.  When operating remote at the beach, etc., I
usually just use the built in sound card of my laptop with my KX3.  I
really like the radio interface controls with the windows of Win4K3 Suite.
You can have a big radio window or a smaller radio window with multiple
tabs to access all the controls.  The controls are intuitive and well laid
out.

Tom Blahovici is the creator.  I have to give him a "high five" for the
product at this point.  I like the SDR features accessible via the
software, but I also like radios with knobs!  Tom's software and Elecraft
give us good integration both.

My next step is do start testing Win4K3 Suite this weekend with N1MM+.
Over the next few weeks, I will get into testing with CW Skimmer, FLdigi
and WinTelnet X.

73 de NA1DX
Doug Ellmore
doug at ellmore.net

From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 10:14:14 2014
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
In-Reply-To: <CANAn7wziuzft=69yenvAELQ6h2qRn4X76+x+Q52gQEZ_e-7iDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANAn7wziuzft=69yenvAELQ6h2qRn4X76+x+Q52gQEZ_e-7iDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANpysvm=c0pjanDaiCM=0_TBuRONr=DrDUJ43wNOWto6KX1Qrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Doug
I agree with you. I use Win4k3 as my rig control and HRD log and DM780. It
is stable and works great. It is nice to have my complete K-Line monitored
and controlled by Win4K3.
Tom has done a super job on this software. The Terminal part of it is also
easy to use and a nice feature.

73 Gerald KC6CNN
On Oct 24, 2014 8:58 AM, "Doug Ellmore" <doug at ellmore.net> wrote:

> Last night I installed a new release of Win4K3 Suite (http://va2fsq.com/).
> I installed two separate setups. One interfacing a K3 (interfaced to a i7
> 16GB RAM Laptop running Win8.1 Pro) and the other a KX3 (interface to a AMD
> 64 with 4GB desktop running Win8.1).  Both radios had the most recent
> Elecraft updates.  An example desktop image is at my web site:
>
>
> http://ellmore.net/na1dx/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/desktop-na1dx-10-23-2014-example.jpg
>
> To support additional virtual com port management, I used the recommended
> release of com0com:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/com0com/2.2.2.0/
>
> On the desktop I have HRD Log and HRD Rotor, Win4K3 Suite, and NAP3 4.x
> running.
>
> For sometime I have been using with my K3 and KX3 with a number of software
> products for dxing and contesting:
>
>    - Ham Radio Deluxe 6.x - dxing and log management
>    - LPBridge - for virtual com ports
>    - NAP3 v4.x - for Panadapter, with Spots displayed and conversational
> cw/psk/rtty
>    - N1MM for contesting
>    - CW Skimmer - for finding and work DX and Contest stations
>    - FLDIGI - contest grade digital mode with N1mm
>    - WinTelnetX (to handle multi dx clusters)
>
>
> Win4KSuite replaces HRD's radio controller and server HamRadioDeluxe
> application, so you can just run HRD's HRDLogbook application, which
> interfaced really well with Win4K3Suite.
>
> QSY from spots from HRD Log or the ClubLog spots from within Win4K3 Suite
> were quick.  I was able to test the Win4K3 scope and NAP3 v4.x at the same
> time.  I use an LP Pan interface in my K3 configuration.  I use Steinberg
> UR22 USB 192kz external sound cards with ASIO drivers for both my K3 and
> KX3 home QTH configurations.  When operating remote at the beach, etc., I
> usually just use the built in sound card of my laptop with my KX3.  I
> really like the radio interface controls with the windows of Win4K3 Suite.
> You can have a big radio window or a smaller radio window with multiple
> tabs to access all the controls.  The controls are intuitive and well laid
> out.
>
> Tom Blahovici is the creator.  I have to give him a "high five" for the
> product at this point.  I like the SDR features accessible via the
> software, but I also like radios with knobs!  Tom's software and Elecraft
> give us good integration both.
>
> My next step is do start testing Win4K3 Suite this weekend with N1MM+.
> Over the next few weeks, I will get into testing with CW Skimmer, FLdigi
> and WinTelnet X.
>
> 73 de NA1DX
> Doug Ellmore
> doug at ellmore.net
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From dm4im at t-online.de  Fri Oct 24 10:18:02 2014
From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:18:02 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Delete DVR memories?
Message-ID: <544A5F9A.2020408@t-online.de>

Elecrafters,
I'm preparing my K3 for the contest tmw and want to clear all voice 
memories to get rid of artefacts of old recordings.
Maybe it's covered in the manual - i'm sure it has been discussed here a 
few times - but i can't find the correct solution.

Set Mic to zero and record until the memory is full with no audio?
Not sure....


-- 

Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM

From gordisht at me.com  Fri Oct 24 10:38:49 2014
From: gordisht at me.com (Timothy Gordish)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:38:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] MARS bands?
Message-ID: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>

I am contemplating purchase of a new KX-3 but I must know that it can be used on MARS bands.  I sent an e-mail inquiry to elecraft but no response yet.  I also googled of course, but no definite answer there.  Couldn?t find anything in the archives here either.

At this point it appears that either it isn?t possible, or it is top secret information.

73,

Tim
AD7AN
NNN0QWR

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 10:47:30 2014
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 01:47:30 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] MARS bands?
In-Reply-To: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>
References: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>
Message-ID: <2D27185C-4AD9-430A-9634-C1EC2B62EE8A@gmail.com>

I understand it is possible. Contact support at elecraft dot com for details.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:38 am, Timothy Gordish <gordisht at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I am contemplating purchase of a new KX-3 but I must know that it can be used on MARS bands.  I sent an e-mail inquiry to elecraft but no response yet.  I also googled of course, but no definite answer there.  Couldn?t find anything in the archives here either.
> 
> At this point it appears that either it isn?t possible, or it is top secret information.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Tim
> AD7AN
> NNN0QWR
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 24 10:59:40 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:59:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Goes to TX on Turn ON
Message-ID: <1414162780.76133.YahooMailNeo@web163001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Have a problem that just cropped up last night. When I turn on my K3, the red TX light immediately goes on. After connecting and disconnecting all external connections to K3, I determined the culprit was the RS-232 cable to the P3. If I disconnect the cable problem goes away, red TX light goes out. I tried swapping  RS-232 cables but same problem exists. Any ideas where to look on this ?? The P3 and K3 have been co-existing fine til last night.

Tnx & 73 Paul
kc2nyu

From mattz at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 24 11:00:59 2014
From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:00:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MARS bands?
In-Reply-To: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>
References: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>
Message-ID: <i1qk4a51ue6t9hmur7ag5ob32757m24jjv@4ax.com>

Hi Tim,

I'm a Navy-Marine Corps MARS member and I use my KX3 and KXPA100 for
our nets and other operations, out of the ham bands. 

Our support staff can help you with this.  You'll need to forward a
copy of your MARS credentials.  Please contact support when the office
is open, after 9 AM Pacific Time.

There is no top secret agenda here, at least that I am aware of.

73!
matt
W6NIA / NNN0UET / NNN0GAF THREE

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:38:49 -0600, you wrote:

>I am contemplating purchase of a new KX-3 but I must know that it can be used on MARS bands.  I sent an e-mail inquiry to elecraft but no response yet.  I also googled of course, but no definite answer there.  Couldn?t find anything in the archives here either.
>
>At this point it appears that either it isn?t possible, or it is top secret information.
>
>73,
>
>Tim
>AD7AN
>NNN0QWR
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 11:38:04 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:38:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Goes to TX on Turn ON
In-Reply-To: <1414162780.76133.YahooMailNeo@web163001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1414162780.76133.YahooMailNeo@web163001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <544A725C.3080407@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

Have you disconnected the RS-232 cable to the PC from the P3?  If not, 
try that and then connect the RS-232 cable between the P3 and K3.  If 
the problem is resolved with only that cable in place, blame your 
computer, but if the problem happens with no computer connection to the 
P3, contact P3support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 10:59 AM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> Have a problem that just cropped up last night. When I turn on my K3, the red TX light immediately goes on. After connecting and disconnecting all external connections to K3, I determined the culprit was the RS-232 cable to the P3. If I disconnect the cable problem goes away, red TX light goes out. I tried swapping  RS-232 cables but same problem exists. Any ideas where to look on this ?? The P3 and K3 have been co-existing fine til last night.
>
>


From n1al at sonic.net  Fri Oct 24 11:40:30 2014
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:40:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Goes to TX on Turn ON
In-Reply-To: <1414162780.76133.YahooMailNeo@web163001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1414162780.76133.YahooMailNeo@web163001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <544A72EE.7030407@sonic.net>

Paul,

If the K3's "PTT-KEY" menu selection is set to something other than 
"OFF-OFF" then the K3 uses the RS-232's RTS or DTR pins as a keying input.

The P3 has no internal connection to those pins.  It just passes them 
straight through between the "PC" and the "XCVR" connectors.

Do you have an RS-232 cable connected between the P3 and a PC?  If so, 
then no doubt the PC is asserting RTS or DTR.  Either that, or the cable 
is bad.

Three possible solutions:

- Figure out why the PC is asserting RTS or DTR and change it.
- Change the K3 "PTT-KEY" menu entry to "OFF-OFF".
- Remove the RS-232 cable between the P3 and the PC.

Alan N1AL


On 10/24/2014 07:59 AM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> Have a problem that just cropped up last night. When I turn on my K3, the red TX light immediately goes on. After connecting and disconnecting all external connections to K3, I determined the culprit was the RS-232 cable to the P3. If I disconnect the cable problem goes away, red TX light goes out. I tried swapping  RS-232 cables but same problem exists. Any ideas where to look on this ?? The P3 and K3 have been co-existing fine til last night.
>
> Tnx & 73 Paul
> kc2nyu
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From gordisht at me.com  Fri Oct 24 11:42:06 2014
From: gordisht at me.com (Timothy Gordish)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:42:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] MARS bands
Message-ID: <AD1E1FB8-FB71-4B2C-BD79-2E671AA058C5@me.com>

Thanks for the replies.  My question is answered.  I really needed to know because I will be selling a couple of much loved rigs to raise the cash for the KX-3.

73 de Tim


From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 11:48:49 2014
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:48:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MARS bands?
In-Reply-To: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>
References: <7BA288C5-CCCA-4088-A9DA-62569CF86E46@me.com>
Message-ID: <2FCD9BD94D3C49668BF2508DE73A3169@ejhPC>

Tim,
The KX3 works fine for MARS, I use it for AF MARS, no change to it is 
required or no change to firmware or hardware is needed.
Only problem is it will not transmit from 25 MHz to 28 MHz, there are some 
digital and voice nets in that freq range that I can not use with the KX3.
I do not use the KXPA100 so not sure about it.  73
Emory  WM3M

-----Original Message----- 
From: Timothy Gordish
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:38 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] MARS bands?

I am contemplating purchase of a new KX-3 but I must know that it can be 
used on MARS bands.  I sent an e-mail inquiry to elecraft but no response 
yet.  I also googled of course, but no definite answer there.  Couldn?t find 
anything in the archives here either.

At this point it appears that either it isn?t possible, or it is top secret 
information.

73,

Tim
AD7AN
NNN0QWR
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From phil-z at comcast.net  Fri Oct 24 11:49:56 2014
From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:49:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hum using K3 with Behringer Xenyx 808 Mixer
Message-ID: <CD66C5FF-B5D3-4F68-B69B-219A80BF81EE@comcast.net>

I have been using a Behringer Xenyx 808 Mixer with my K3 in order to share headphone and powered speakers with other devices. When I connect the K3 audio output to any of the balanced inputs or CD input jacks on the mixer I get a very significant hum. I can overcome it with higher audio settings but it is particularly annoying with headphones and I really want to fix it. I have run a jumper from one of the chassis screws on the mixer to the K3 ground terminal, switched cables and inputs, changed AC sources on the mixer power supply and the K3 power supply and it still won?t go away. It doesn?t seem to be noticeable from other sources when I disconnect the K3. The mixer power cord is a 2 wire but can?t change that. Anyone using a mixer that can help me fix this problem? I would rather not have to disassemble the mixer if I can avoid it. Is there another device I could use for sharing audio that might work better?

Thanks,

Phil N3ZP

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 24 12:29:17 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (edward kacura via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:29:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS :  K2 QRP with KAT/KAP 100 enclosed in EC 2
Message-ID: <1414168157.28584.YahooMailNeo@web310205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm downsizing since retirement earlier this year, will be on the road with the travel trailer. These item need a new home instead of sitting packed away. I have my KX3, PX3 along with the KXPA 100, it all fits nicely in the trailer.

The K2, s/n 6576, was built in late 2011 by Dale Putnam WC7S, with the complete Rework Eliminator kit.
Installed in it are K160RX, SSB option, internal antenna tuner, KDSP2 filter with clock, KIO2 RS-232 interface, KBT2 battery kit, no battery.There's an unbuilt noise blanker. There's a weighted VFO knob installed, and an extra top cabinet panel with speaker installed.

All the manuals included, along with a MH-2 hand mic and headset adapter. There's two unopened Rework Eliminator kits, KXPD1 clamp for the KX1 paddles to mount to the K2 bail, a cable for connecting the NUE-PSK modem (modem not included).

In a separate enclosure is the KPA/KAT 100 amp/tuner with cables to hook to the K2. Both radio and amp are in great condition. Asking $1500.00 for the package, new this would cost almost $2400.00..

I will double box and insure, and pay the shipping, only lower 48 thou, no overseas. Paypal, or money order works for me. You will get two boxes with the K2.

As with all used electronic equipment, there's no return or refund. You will get working radios when they leave me.

Contact me off-line at ekacura at yahoo.com mailto:ekacura at yahoo.com, or call my cell and leave a msg. 520-490-5395. ( I don't always hear the cell with my hearing aids)

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Oct 24 13:14:47 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:14:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hum using K3 with Behringer Xenyx 808 Mixer
In-Reply-To: <CD66C5FF-B5D3-4F68-B69B-219A80BF81EE@comcast.net>
References: <CD66C5FF-B5D3-4F68-B69B-219A80BF81EE@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <544A8907.5000308@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/24/2014 8:49 AM, Phillip Zminda wrote:
> Is there another device I could use for sharing audio that might work better?

Yes. Look at the Rane product line. First rate American company based 
near Seattle, they don't steal their designs from other companies. The 
SM26 is 6x2. The SM82S is 8x3. Rane was the first company to eliminate 
Pin One Problems from their entire product line, beginning in 1995. Pin 
One Problems are the major cause of hum, buzz, and RFI.

http://www.rane.com/sm26s.html

http://www.rane.com/sm82s.html

Also, your hum problem may be related to how you are wiring your 
interconnecting cables, how you are getting power for your station, and 
whether you are bonding your station. Study 
http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf for detailed advice on power and 
bonding.

For advice on wiring cables, study AN003 from

http://www.jensen-transformers.com/apps_wp.html

To feed a balanced input from an unbalanced output, do the bonding I've 
shown, and use the "Minimal" Adapter Cable shown as Fig 2.1 in AN003. To 
feed an unbalanced input from a tranformerless balanced output, use a 
3-circuit plug (TRS or XLR) on the balanced output, but connect the tip 
and the shell to the unbalanced input, with no connection to the ring.

73, Jim K9YC



From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 24 13:24:38 2014
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:24:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
In-Reply-To: <201410231536.34537.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>
References: <5448DF40.3050203@gmail.com>
	<1414086915.36271.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<201410231536.34537.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> 
Message-ID: <1414171478.88019.YahooMailNeo@web181604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



You're right, it will roll off on the high end, too, but the rolloff rate is usually much less steep especially if series-tuned. An analysis of my tuner shows that it would be only about 20 dB down at 30 MHz (when tuned on 40 meters) when parallel-tuned, and only about 10 dB down when series-tuned.

(A really versatile tuner allows you to switch the output capacitors between series and parallel. This allows it to match a very wide range of impedances, and I think you'd have to homebrew a tuner to be able to do this, unless one of the commercially made tuners can switch.) 

Al  W6LX





________________________________
 From: Al Gulseth <wb5jnc at centurytel.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting K3 QRM problem
  

Pardon my ignorance here, but I thought a link coupled tuner would be more of 
a bandpass than a high-pass filter. CLC T-network tuners (MFJ etc.) are the 
ones usually associated with becoming high-pass networks if misadjusted.

73, Al


On Thu October 23 2014 12:55:15 pm Al Lorona wrote:
> This doesn't apply in Vic's case here, but his situation reminds me of yet
> another benefit of using a link-coupled tuner with balanced line feeding a
>
 horizontal antenna in the center.
>
> A balanced link-coupled tuner turns out to be a high-pass filter, so while
> you're tuning it up on a ham band, it's rejecting stuff in the AM broadcast
> band.
>
> When tuned on 80 meters, I've measured the 1400 kHz rejection of my tuner
> at about 40 dB. Forty dB makes a 50 kW signal sound like a 5 W signal. I
> might be in bad shape if I didn't have this tuner.
>
> Another good thing to remember when planning an antenna installation.
>
> Al  W6LX
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From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Fri Oct 24 14:16:14 2014
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:16:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
In-Reply-To: <CANpysvm=c0pjanDaiCM=0_TBuRONr=DrDUJ43wNOWto6KX1Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANAn7wziuzft=69yenvAELQ6h2qRn4X76+x+Q52gQEZ_e-7iDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANpysvm=c0pjanDaiCM=0_TBuRONr=DrDUJ43wNOWto6KX1Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017001cfefb6$99516b50$cbf441f0$@W4CCS.COM>

I have NEVER got it to work correctly using MicroHam Router software.. I
need to runt the router software to use my Keyer 2R+ and Station master.
It runs for about two minutes and then crashes.. I would LOVE to get it
going but have been unable to..
W4CCS

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gerald
Manthey
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:14 AM
To: Doug Ellmore
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback

Hello Doug
I agree with you. I use Win4k3 as my rig control and HRD log and DM780. It
is stable and works great. It is nice to have my complete K-Line monitored
and controlled by Win4K3.
Tom has done a super job on this software. The Terminal part of it is also
easy to use and a nice feature.

73 Gerald KC6CNN
On Oct 24, 2014 8:58 AM, "Doug Ellmore" <doug at ellmore.net> wrote:

> Last night I installed a new release of Win4K3 Suite (http://va2fsq.com/).
> I installed two separate setups. One interfacing a K3 (interfaced to a 
> i7 16GB RAM Laptop running Win8.1 Pro) and the other a KX3 (interface 
> to a AMD
> 64 with 4GB desktop running Win8.1).  Both radios had the most recent 
> Elecraft updates.  An example desktop image is at my web site:
>
>
> http://ellmore.net/na1dx/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/desktop-na1dx-10-2
> 3-2014-example.jpg
>
> To support additional virtual com port management, I used the 
> recommended release of com0com:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/com0com/2.2.2.0/
>
> On the desktop I have HRD Log and HRD Rotor, Win4K3 Suite, and NAP3 
> 4.x running.
>
> For sometime I have been using with my K3 and KX3 with a number of 
> software products for dxing and contesting:
>
>    - Ham Radio Deluxe 6.x - dxing and log management
>    - LPBridge - for virtual com ports
>    - NAP3 v4.x - for Panadapter, with Spots displayed and 
> conversational cw/psk/rtty
>    - N1MM for contesting
>    - CW Skimmer - for finding and work DX and Contest stations
>    - FLDIGI - contest grade digital mode with N1mm
>    - WinTelnetX (to handle multi dx clusters)
>
>
> Win4KSuite replaces HRD's radio controller and server HamRadioDeluxe 
> application, so you can just run HRD's HRDLogbook application, which 
> interfaced really well with Win4K3Suite.
>
> QSY from spots from HRD Log or the ClubLog spots from within Win4K3 
> Suite were quick.  I was able to test the Win4K3 scope and NAP3 v4.x 
> at the same time.  I use an LP Pan interface in my K3 configuration.  
> I use Steinberg
> UR22 USB 192kz external sound cards with ASIO drivers for both my K3 
> and
> KX3 home QTH configurations.  When operating remote at the beach, 
> etc., I usually just use the built in sound card of my laptop with my 
> KX3.  I really like the radio interface controls with the windows of
Win4K3 Suite.
> You can have a big radio window or a smaller radio window with 
> multiple tabs to access all the controls.  The controls are intuitive 
> and well laid out.
>
> Tom Blahovici is the creator.  I have to give him a "high five" for 
> the product at this point.  I like the SDR features accessible via the 
> software, but I also like radios with knobs!  Tom's software and 
> Elecraft give us good integration both.
>
> My next step is do start testing Win4K3 Suite this weekend with N1MM+.
> Over the next few weeks, I will get into testing with CW Skimmer, 
> FLdigi and WinTelnet X.
>
> 73 de NA1DX
> Doug Ellmore
> doug at ellmore.net
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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 14:18:43 2014
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:18:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
In-Reply-To: <017001cfefb6$99516b50$cbf441f0$@W4CCS.COM>
References: <CANAn7wziuzft=69yenvAELQ6h2qRn4X76+x+Q52gQEZ_e-7iDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANpysvm=c0pjanDaiCM=0_TBuRONr=DrDUJ43wNOWto6KX1Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<017001cfefb6$99516b50$cbf441f0$@W4CCS.COM>
Message-ID: <CANpysvkx+zu5h+Yxizb8+_qtGqkOEzF0wmFju-4ge_RmJT8BGA@mail.gmail.com>

Contact Tom
He is fast returning emails and he can help you get it going.
73 Gerald
On Oct 24, 2014 1:16 PM, "W4CCS" <W4CCS at w4ccs.com> wrote:

> I have NEVER got it to work correctly using MicroHam Router software.. I
> need to runt the router software to use my Keyer 2R+ and Station master.
> It runs for about two minutes and then crashes.. I would LOVE to get it
> going but have been unable to..
> W4CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Gerald
> Manthey
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:14 AM
> To: Doug Ellmore
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
>
> Hello Doug
> I agree with you. I use Win4k3 as my rig control and HRD log and DM780. It
> is stable and works great. It is nice to have my complete K-Line monitored
> and controlled by Win4K3.
> Tom has done a super job on this software. The Terminal part of it is also
> easy to use and a nice feature.
>
> 73 Gerald KC6CNN
> On Oct 24, 2014 8:58 AM, "Doug Ellmore" <doug at ellmore.net> wrote:
>
> > Last night I installed a new release of Win4K3 Suite (http://va2fsq.com/
> ).
> > I installed two separate setups. One interfacing a K3 (interfaced to a
> > i7 16GB RAM Laptop running Win8.1 Pro) and the other a KX3 (interface
> > to a AMD
> > 64 with 4GB desktop running Win8.1).  Both radios had the most recent
> > Elecraft updates.  An example desktop image is at my web site:
> >
> >
> > http://ellmore.net/na1dx/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/desktop-na1dx-10-2
> > 3-2014-example.jpg
> >
> > To support additional virtual com port management, I used the
> > recommended release of com0com:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/com0com/2.2.2.0/
> >
> > On the desktop I have HRD Log and HRD Rotor, Win4K3 Suite, and NAP3
> > 4.x running.
> >
> > For sometime I have been using with my K3 and KX3 with a number of
> > software products for dxing and contesting:
> >
> >    - Ham Radio Deluxe 6.x - dxing and log management
> >    - LPBridge - for virtual com ports
> >    - NAP3 v4.x - for Panadapter, with Spots displayed and
> > conversational cw/psk/rtty
> >    - N1MM for contesting
> >    - CW Skimmer - for finding and work DX and Contest stations
> >    - FLDIGI - contest grade digital mode with N1mm
> >    - WinTelnetX (to handle multi dx clusters)
> >
> >
> > Win4KSuite replaces HRD's radio controller and server HamRadioDeluxe
> > application, so you can just run HRD's HRDLogbook application, which
> > interfaced really well with Win4K3Suite.
> >
> > QSY from spots from HRD Log or the ClubLog spots from within Win4K3
> > Suite were quick.  I was able to test the Win4K3 scope and NAP3 v4.x
> > at the same time.  I use an LP Pan interface in my K3 configuration.
> > I use Steinberg
> > UR22 USB 192kz external sound cards with ASIO drivers for both my K3
> > and
> > KX3 home QTH configurations.  When operating remote at the beach,
> > etc., I usually just use the built in sound card of my laptop with my
> > KX3.  I really like the radio interface controls with the windows of
> Win4K3 Suite.
> > You can have a big radio window or a smaller radio window with
> > multiple tabs to access all the controls.  The controls are intuitive
> > and well laid out.
> >
> > Tom Blahovici is the creator.  I have to give him a "high five" for
> > the product at this point.  I like the SDR features accessible via the
> > software, but I also like radios with knobs!  Tom's software and
> > Elecraft give us good integration both.
> >
> > My next step is do start testing Win4K3 Suite this weekend with N1MM+.
> > Over the next few weeks, I will get into testing with CW Skimmer,
> > FLdigi and WinTelnet X.
> >
> > 73 de NA1DX
> > Doug Ellmore
> > doug at ellmore.net
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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> > kc6cnn at gmail.com
> >
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Oct 24 14:31:35 2014
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:31:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
Message-ID: <0NDY009VSOSOZO70@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi I use the microham all the time as my primary connectivity to my station as do a number of other people. Please contact me off list. 
73's Tom

On Oct 24, 2014 2:16 PM, W4CCS <W4CCS at W4CCS.COM> wrote:
>
> I have NEVER got it to work correctly using MicroHam Router software.. I 
> need to runt the router software to use my Keyer 2R+ and Station master. 
> It runs for about two minutes and then crashes.. I would LOVE to get it 
> going but have been unable to.. 
> W4CCS 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gerald 
> Manthey 
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:14 AM 
> To: Doug Ellmore 
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback 
>
> Hello Doug 
> I agree with you. I use Win4k3 as my rig control and HRD log and DM780. It 
> is stable and works great. It is nice to have my complete K-Line monitored 
> and controlled by Win4K3. 
> Tom has done a super job on this software. The Terminal part of it is also 
> easy to use and a nice feature. 
>
> 73 Gerald KC6CNN 
> On Oct 24, 2014 8:58 AM, "Doug Ellmore" <doug at ellmore.net> wrote: 
>
> > Last night I installed a new release of Win4K3 Suite (http://va2fsq.com/). 
> > I installed two separate setups. One interfacing a K3 (interfaced to a 
> > i7 16GB RAM Laptop running Win8.1 Pro) and the other a KX3 (interface 
> > to a AMD 
> > 64 with 4GB desktop running Win8.1).? Both radios had the most recent 
> > Elecraft updates.? An example desktop image is at my web site: 
> > 
> > 
> > http://ellmore.net/na1dx/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/desktop-na1dx-10-2 
> > 3-2014-example.jpg 
> > 
> > To support additional virtual com port management, I used the 
> > recommended release of com0com: 
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/com0com/2.2.2.0/ 
> > 
> > On the desktop I have HRD Log and HRD Rotor, Win4K3 Suite, and NAP3 
> > 4.x running. 
> > 
> > For sometime I have been using with my K3 and KX3 with a number of 
> > software products for dxing and contesting: 
> > 
> >??? - Ham Radio Deluxe 6.x - dxing and log management 
> >??? - LPBridge - for virtual com ports 
> >??? - NAP3 v4.x - for Panadapter, with Spots displayed and 
> > conversational cw/psk/rtty 
> >??? - N1MM for contesting 
> >??? - CW Skimmer - for finding and work DX and Contest stations 
> >??? - FLDIGI - contest grade digital mode with N1mm 
> >??? - WinTelnetX (to handle multi dx clusters) 
> > 
> > 
> > Win4KSuite replaces HRD's radio controller and server HamRadioDeluxe 
> > application, so you can just run HRD's HRDLogbook application, which 
> > interfaced really well with Win4K3Suite. 
> > 
> > QSY from spots from HRD Log or the ClubLog spots from within Win4K3 
> > Suite were quick.? I was able to test the Win4K3 scope and NAP3 v4.x 
> > at the same time.? I use an LP Pan interface in my K3 configuration.? 
> > I use Steinberg 
> > UR22 USB 192kz external sound cards with ASIO drivers for both my K3 
> > and 
> > KX3 home QTH configurations.? When operating remote at the beach, 
> > etc., I usually just use the built in sound card of my laptop with my 
> > KX3.? I really like the radio interface controls with the windows of 
> Win4K3 Suite. 
> > You can have a big radio window or a smaller radio window with 
> > multiple tabs to access all the controls.? The controls are intuitive 
> > and well laid out. 
> > 
> > Tom Blahovici is the creator.? I have to give him a "high five" for 
> > the product at this point.? I like the SDR features accessible via the 
> > software, but I also like radios with knobs!? Tom's software and 
> > Elecraft give us good integration both. 
> > 
> > My next step is do start testing Win4K3 Suite this weekend with N1MM+. 
> > Over the next few weeks, I will get into testing with CW Skimmer, 
> > FLdigi and WinTelnet X. 
> > 
> > 73 de NA1DX 
> > Doug Ellmore 
> > doug at ellmore.net 
> > ______________________________________________________________ 
> > Elecraft mailing list 
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft 
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm 
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> > 
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> > kc6cnn at gmail.com 
> > 
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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 14:50:34 2014
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
In-Reply-To: <0NDY009VSOSOZO70@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <0NDY009VSOSOZO70@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CANpysvkmRVXkG7vg6+2zjxO3SbEOgfR3b_rdKgbFnXObBn3tjw@mail.gmail.com>

And there you go! Proof he answers fast. Hihi. With his customer service
and great product I am surprised his software is not on the Elecraft
software page like some others are.
On Oct 24, 2014 1:31 PM, "Tom Blahovici" <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hi I use the microham all the time as my primary connectivity to my
> station as do a number of other people. Please contact me off list.
> 73's Tom
>
> On Oct 24, 2014 2:16 PM, W4CCS <W4CCS at W4CCS.COM> wrote:
> >
> > I have NEVER got it to work correctly using MicroHam Router software.. I
> > need to runt the router software to use my Keyer 2R+ and Station master.
> > It runs for about two minutes and then crashes.. I would LOVE to get it
> > going but have been unable to..
> > W4CCS
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Gerald
> > Manthey
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:14 AM
> > To: Doug Ellmore
> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite Feedback
> >
> > Hello Doug
> > I agree with you. I use Win4k3 as my rig control and HRD log and DM780.
> It
> > is stable and works great. It is nice to have my complete K-Line
> monitored
> > and controlled by Win4K3.
> > Tom has done a super job on this software. The Terminal part of it is
> also
> > easy to use and a nice feature.
> >
> > 73 Gerald KC6CNN
> > On Oct 24, 2014 8:58 AM, "Doug Ellmore" <doug at ellmore.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Last night I installed a new release of Win4K3 Suite (
> http://va2fsq.com/).
> > > I installed two separate setups. One interfacing a K3 (interfaced to a
> > > i7 16GB RAM Laptop running Win8.1 Pro) and the other a KX3 (interface
> > > to a AMD
> > > 64 with 4GB desktop running Win8.1).  Both radios had the most recent
> > > Elecraft updates.  An example desktop image is at my web site:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://ellmore.net/na1dx/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/desktop-na1dx-10-2
> > > 3-2014-example.jpg
> > >
> > > To support additional virtual com port management, I used the
> > > recommended release of com0com:
> > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/com0com/2.2.2.0/
> > >
> > > On the desktop I have HRD Log and HRD Rotor, Win4K3 Suite, and NAP3
> > > 4.x running.
> > >
> > > For sometime I have been using with my K3 and KX3 with a number of
> > > software products for dxing and contesting:
> > >
> > >    - Ham Radio Deluxe 6.x - dxing and log management
> > >    - LPBridge - for virtual com ports
> > >    - NAP3 v4.x - for Panadapter, with Spots displayed and
> > > conversational cw/psk/rtty
> > >    - N1MM for contesting
> > >    - CW Skimmer - for finding and work DX and Contest stations
> > >    - FLDIGI - contest grade digital mode with N1mm
> > >    - WinTelnetX (to handle multi dx clusters)
> > >
> > >
> > > Win4KSuite replaces HRD's radio controller and server HamRadioDeluxe
> > > application, so you can just run HRD's HRDLogbook application, which
> > > interfaced really well with Win4K3Suite.
> > >
> > > QSY from spots from HRD Log or the ClubLog spots from within Win4K3
> > > Suite were quick.  I was able to test the Win4K3 scope and NAP3 v4.x
> > > at the same time.  I use an LP Pan interface in my K3 configuration.
> > > I use Steinberg
> > > UR22 USB 192kz external sound cards with ASIO drivers for both my K3
> > > and
> > > KX3 home QTH configurations.  When operating remote at the beach,
> > > etc., I usually just use the built in sound card of my laptop with my
> > > KX3.  I really like the radio interface controls with the windows of
> > Win4K3 Suite.
> > > You can have a big radio window or a smaller radio window with
> > > multiple tabs to access all the controls.  The controls are intuitive
> > > and well laid out.
> > >
> > > Tom Blahovici is the creator.  I have to give him a "high five" for
> > > the product at this point.  I like the SDR features accessible via the
> > > software, but I also like radios with knobs!  Tom's software and
> > > Elecraft give us good integration both.
> > >
> > > My next step is do start testing Win4K3 Suite this weekend with N1MM+.
> > > Over the next few weeks, I will get into testing with CW Skimmer,
> > > FLdigi and WinTelnet X.
> > >
> > > 73 de NA1DX
> > > Doug Ellmore
> > > doug at ellmore.net
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Elecraft mailing list
> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > >
> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email
> > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
> > > kc6cnn at gmail.com
> > >
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From phil-z at comcast.net  Fri Oct 24 15:13:45 2014
From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:13:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hum using K3 with Behringer Xenyx 808 Mixer
Message-ID: <422859EB-84C2-479E-A3AB-77B12943B8FB@comcast.net>

Jim,

Thanks for all the info. I hoped that you might respond. I have read a lot of your articles. That?s a lot of homework. I suspected that it may possibly be a combination of connection issues. I may look into the transformer as a possibility or may just look for something simple with 2 unbalanced  inputs that will let me share the audio out my K3 with my FLEX-1500.

Thanks,

Phil N3ZP


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 24 16:09:36 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:09:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3 Goes to TX on Turn ON
Message-ID: <1414181376.94682.YahooMailNeo@web163005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I changed K3 PTT-Key to "OFF-OFF", that seems to have solved TX on turn on problem. But now - not sure if related- K3 will not talk to PC serial port. I have two 2 port serial cards installed my Win 7 64 bit PC. I tried cable from K3 in all four and can't get it to connect. Also cannot get KPA 500 or P3 to talk to serial ports. I tried another serial cable- same problem. KAT 500 using USB connection does interface with PC OK. 

73 Paul
kc2nyu 

Do you have an RS-232 cable connected between the P3 and a PC? If so, then no doubt the PC is asserting RTS or DTR. Either that, or the cable is bad.
Three possible solutions:
- Figure out why the PC is asserting RTS or DTR and change it.
- Change the K3 "PTT-KEY" menu entry to "OFF-OFF".
- Remove the RS-232 cable between the P3 and the PC.
Alan N1AL

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 16:28:39 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:28:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Goes to TX on Turn ON
In-Reply-To: <1414181376.94682.YahooMailNeo@web163005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1414181376.94682.YahooMailNeo@web163005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <544AB677.5030003@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

The K3 does not use RTS or DTR for communicating with the PC, only RXD 
and TXD and Signal Ground are used.  So the setting of PTT - Key should 
have no effect on PC to K3 communications.  I suspect a serial port 
problem or a serial cable problem.

Since you have real serial ports on your computer, try using a known 
good serial cable and take the P3 out of the loop (disconnect the P3 and 
connect RS-232 direct to the PC - no "Y" connectors or other 
complicating factors).  Then try to connect with K3 Utility.

If that does not work, suspect the PC (because you have trouble 
connecting to the KPA500 too).
Since the USB connection to the KAT500 does work, try using a USB to 
Serial adapter - preferably one with an FTDI chipset.  If that works, 
you might try reloading the drivers for your add-on serial cards.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 4:09 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote:
> I changed K3 PTT-Key to "OFF-OFF", that seems to have solved TX on turn on problem. But now - not sure if related- K3 will not talk to PC serial port. I have two 2 port serial cards installed my Win 7 64 bit PC. I tried cable from K3 in all four and can't get it to connect. Also cannot get KPA 500 or P3 to talk to serial ports. I tried another serial cable- same problem. KAT 500 using USB connection does interface with PC OK.
>
>


From hillslaird at internode.on.net  Fri Oct 24 21:27:54 2014
From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kevin Schache)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:57:54 +1030
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build #7552 Progress
Message-ID: <544AFC9A.5060000@internode.on.net>

I have now completed up to the start of Assembly, Part III, P67, with 
all tests and alignments done.
AND BEST OF ALL, it works!!  I have actually heard several strong SSB 
signals on 40M...... YAAYY!!

Although I am limited with test equipment, I've managed to pass all tests.
But I will hopefully be calling on some higher precision equipment for 
the final alignment in due course.

I think one of the biggest lessons I've learned is not to over 
compensate for my old soldering skills by minimizing solder too much.
Having got the right brand and gauge of solder, and an appropriate 
temperature compensated iron, this heavy handed old vacuum tube builder  
became just a little too frugal. Many joints needed an extra touch up 
during testing, but hey, I'm learning!

The only thing i have noticed is that the audio gain does not seem to 
act as I would expect while listening to an SSB signal -  the volume 
seems to increase marginally from minimum and then stay constant over 
much of the range before increasing slightly at the end  . Maybe this is 
another case of an extra touch of solder somewhere, or maybe it's a 
normal function of how the AGC level works?

Now, it's on to Assembly Part III, P67!!

73,
Kev     VK5KS


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 22:10:26 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:10:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build #7552 Progress
In-Reply-To: <544AFC9A.5060000@internode.on.net>
References: <544AFC9A.5060000@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <544B0692.4020104@embarqmail.com>

Kevin,

The K2 alignment and calibration is designed to use the built-in tools 
and they will allow you to align it to perfection.

There is one area that is missing from the manual information, and that 
is the dial calibration and filter alignment.  For that, take a look at 
my webpage article dealing with Dial Calibration at www.w3fpr.com.
Ideally you should use Spectrogram for aligning the filters so you can 
see the passband width and placement in the audio spectrum that is 
produced by your filter width and BFO adjustments.  You can download a 
copy of Spectrogram from my website - look for the link near the bottom 
of the opening page.  This is a local copy that has been scanned for 
'bad stuff' numerous times.  Norton does not like it, but all other 
scanners report it to be a good copy.

There are other good audio spectrum analyzers out there, but I happen to 
like Spectrogram the best for this purpose.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 9:27 PM, Kevin Schache wrote:
> I have now completed up to the start of Assembly, Part III, P67, with 
> all tests and alignments done.
> AND BEST OF ALL, it works!!  I have actually heard several strong SSB 
> signals on 40M...... YAAYY!!
>
> Although I am limited with test equipment, I've managed to pass all 
> tests.
> But I will hopefully be calling on some higher precision equipment for 
> the final alignment in due course.
>
> I think one of the biggest lessons I've learned is not to over 
> compensate for my old soldering skills by minimizing solder too much.
> Having got the right brand and gauge of solder, and an appropriate 
> temperature compensated iron, this heavy handed old vacuum tube 
> builder  became just a little too frugal. Many joints needed an extra 
> touch up during testing, but hey, I'm learning!
>
> The only thing i have noticed is that the audio gain does not seem to 
> act as I would expect while listening to an SSB signal -  the volume 
> seems to increase marginally from minimum and then stay constant over 
> much of the range before increasing slightly at the end  . Maybe this 
> is another case of an extra touch of solder somewhere, or maybe it's a 
> normal function of how the AGC level works?
>
> Now, it's on to Assembly Part III, P67!!
>
> 73,
> Kev     VK5KS
>
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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 22:11:14 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 03:11:14 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Message-ID: <4647A0440A194CD4BBFB3EC34D0F505F@Paramount>

I just got round to trying to interface my K3 to a PC.

I starred off with 2 different Prolific USB/RS232 cables, but although they both showed up as correctly installed drivers.
I tried running the K3 Utility but although it did seem to communicate once when I tried ?Check communication?, but refuses to exchange data and gives ?Not read EEPROM? errors.
That said, the same cables will not communicate with my Power Chute UPS, so I?m assuming that there is a levels problem with the Prolific cables? Can anyone confirm this.

I have now ordered a genuine FTDI cable, as that?s the recommendation by Elecraft.

I presume that there?s nothing to setup in the K3 and K3/Utility communication is automatic. 

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From n5ia at zia-connection.com  Fri Oct 24 22:28:11 2014
From: n5ia at zia-connection.com (Milt -- N5IA)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:28:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Classic, MH MK2R+ and K3
In-Reply-To: <74bb6.676095f6.417b0fa4@aol.com>
References: <74bb6.676095f6.417b0fa4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4339BCEC1ABF4572A33DB4813686B75B@MiltVostro2010>

This is late, but perhaps someone can provide me with a clue.

I loaded a new log for the CQWWSSB and started doing check outs on my 
station.  Everything is FB with the exception of the voice playback.

All settings are the same, and have not changed since last using this combo 
of N1MM Classic and the MicroHam MK 2R++.  I am using the same .wav files I 
used last year for this event.

When the F keys are selected, the transmit works OK and runs for the length 
of time of the audio files, whichever one is selected.

However, there is no audio.  The microphone audio is OK through the MK 2R+.

Anyone have any idea of why the audio would not be present from the .wav 
files even though the files are being selected and the TX keys for the 
length of each file?

Any ideas of what to look for would be appreciated.

Thanks, Milt, N5IA, operator of N7GP 



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From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Fri Oct 24 22:33:28 2014
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:33:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I turn OFF my K3 remotely
Message-ID: <544B0BF8.28008.49D2CA@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>

Can someone tell me how to turn OFF my K3 radio remotely through HRD. 
All I could find in the archives was this simple statement. 

>From HRD If one wants to get fancy, you can even shut down
the K3 using the Power off command through the serial communications
port, and then shut down the computer too. 

Well no other explanation was given. So that might be fine for some 
computer expert but doesn't tell me anything other than yes it is possible. 
Can someone point me to a step by step instructions on how to turn off the 
K3 radio by remote?

Thanks
John k9uwa
John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF 
Antique Radio Restorations
k9uwa at arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 22:43:51 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:43:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <4647A0440A194CD4BBFB3EC34D0F505F@Paramount>
References: <4647A0440A194CD4BBFB3EC34D0F505F@Paramount>
Message-ID: <544B0E67.1020505@embarqmail.com>

Alan,

Yes, the FTDI chipset adapters are the recommended variety.

To further confuse the issue with both Prolific and FTDI serial 
adapters, there are counterfeit adapters on the market.  Those worked 
with few problems under Windows XP with the provided drivers, but both 
companies included code in the new drivers to detect those counterfeits 
and render them inoperative.  The new drivers are downloaded as updates 
in Windows 7 and above.

I do think that the number of counterfeit chipsets in the marketplace 
may be diminishing because of the manufacturers steps to protect their 
intellectual property, but it is a headache if you happen to have one.  
I did have one here that was a special cable for a handheld.  I finally 
solved the problem by ordering an equivalent cable that connects to a 
real serial port or a working USB to serial adapter.

It may be that you have one (or two) of those counterfeit chipsets - not 
saying for certain, but do be aware of that possibility.

There is really nothing to setup in the K3 or K3Utility, but it is best 
that you set the baud rate for both at 38400 - K3 menu CONFIG:RS232.  K3 
Utility will scan for different baud rates if necessary.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 10:11 PM, G4GNX wrote:
> I just got round to trying to interface my K3 to a PC.
>
> I starred off with 2 different Prolific USB/RS232 cables, but although they both showed up as correctly installed drivers.
> I tried running the K3 Utility but although it did seem to communicate once when I tried ?Check communication?, but refuses to exchange data and gives ?Not read EEPROM? errors.
> That said, the same cables will not communicate with my Power Chute UPS, so I?m assuming that there is a levels problem with the Prolific cables? Can anyone confirm this.
>
> I have now ordered a genuine FTDI cable, as that?s the recommendation by Elecraft.
>
> I presume that there?s nothing to setup in the K3 and K3/Utility communication is automatic.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 24 22:56:02 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I turn OFF my K3 remotely
In-Reply-To: <544B0BF8.28008.49D2CA@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
References: <544B0BF8.28008.49D2CA@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
Message-ID: <544B1142.5000908@embarqmail.com>

John,

I don't know if or how that HRD does it, but remote power off is 
available if the software issues a PS0; command to the K3.  Note that a 
powered off K3 is not listening to commands, there is no way to turn the 
K3 on via RS-232 command.  To turn the K3 back on remotely, an external 
device must pull the ACC connector pin 8 to ground.  That may require 
additional hardware at the remote site.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/24/2014 10:33 PM, John K9UWA wrote:
> Can someone tell me how to turn OFF my K3 radio remotely through HRD.
> All I could find in the archives was this simple statement.
>
> >From HRD If one wants to get fancy, you can even shut down
> the K3 using the Power off command through the serial communications
> port, and then shut down the computer too.
>
> Well no other explanation was given. So that might be fine for some
> computer expert but doesn't tell me anything other than yes it is possible.
> Can someone point me to a step by step instructions on how to turn off the
> K3 radio by remote?
>


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 04:42:09 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 09:42:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544B0E67.1020505@embarqmail.com>
References: <4647A0440A194CD4BBFB3EC34D0F505F@Paramount>
	<544B0E67.1020505@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>

Hi Don.

I was aware of the issue with Prolific counterfeits. I probably have at 
least two of those, including one I bought as genuine for programming a TYT 
handheld (Baofeng cable). :-(
AFAIK Prolific do not render the counterfeit device hardware inoperative. 
The counterfeits won't work with the current Prolific driver, but they will 
work with a much earlier driver that does not detect counterfeits. It's also 
essential to disable Windows Update for the driver. Another thing that 
Micro$oft have deliberately made obscure!

FTDI have only very recently taken it one step further by actually disabling 
part of the internal ID in the counterfeit chip, but it would appear that 
they've shot themselves in the foot, because some genuine chips also got 
disabled and they've had to retract that driver. Also a pointless exercise 
because their system has already been reverse engineered, including their 
driver and is being manufactured more cheaply by the Chinese.

I sympathise with both companies over protection of their intellectual 
property, but they've gone about it the wrong way. Certainly in the UK at 
least, I believe that FTDI's latest action is illegal. FTDI have no right to 
penalise the end user by "breaking" the device that they paid for, although 
it is possible to reverse the action, but most people won't know how. For 
either company to hit the end user is just downright lazy and cowardly. The 
general public will not know if they have a counterfeit or not and will lose 
faith in these companies. The only "correct" way to stop the trade is 
counterfeits is by due process of Law, by having copyright and patent laws 
upheld, instead of being lazy and "fixing" a driver.

It looks like Elecraft are confirming what a lot of knowledgeable people 
have been saying and that is that even genuine Prolific devices are inferior 
to FTDI. Presuming that Elecraft have been selling genuine devices (I'm sure 
they have) they've not changed to FTDI because of a counterfeit/driver war, 
but because the Prolific devices have given them grief.

The device that I've ordered is direct from FTDI in Scotland, so it's 99% 
certain it will be genuine and hopefully will work OK with the K3. It would 
be ironic if it also turned out to be a counterfeit!
I would have been happy to purchase direct from Elecraft, but it would take 
over a week and I'd have to pay extra taxes to our government. :-(

I'm just intrigued to know why the genuine Prolific devices are so 
troublesome?

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:43 AM
To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

Alan,

Yes, the FTDI chipset adapters are the recommended variety.

To further confuse the issue with both Prolific and FTDI serial
adapters, there are counterfeit adapters on the market.  Those worked
with few problems under Windows XP with the provided drivers, but both
companies included code in the new drivers to detect those counterfeits
and render them inoperative.  The new drivers are downloaded as updates
in Windows 7 and above.

I do think that the number of counterfeit chipsets in the marketplace
may be diminishing because of the manufacturers steps to protect their
intellectual property, but it is a headache if you happen to have one.
I did have one here that was a special cable for a handheld.  I finally
solved the problem by ordering an equivalent cable that connects to a
real serial port or a working USB to serial adapter.

It may be that you have one (or two) of those counterfeit chipsets - not
saying for certain, but do be aware of that possibility.

There is really nothing to setup in the K3 or K3Utility, but it is best
that you set the baud rate for both at 38400 - K3 menu CONFIG:RS232.  K3
Utility will scan for different baud rates if necessary.

73,
Don W3FP 


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 25 06:00:21 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (eric norris via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 10:00:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] Faulting?
Message-ID: <482316972.375351.1414231221395.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I am using a KAT500 to control my station's antenna switching. ?Tonight when I used a tube transceiver and amplifier, I would get a FAULT about every 5-10 minutes. ?Power was 650w. ?Here are the KAT500's parameters: f=7032, VSWR 1.13, BYPASS VSWR 1.8, TUNE STATE 0 9 20 1.13, fm 1.67. ?Any idea what is going on?
Thanks and 73,
Eric WD6DBM

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 09:17:12 2014
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 09:17:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
Message-ID: <544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>

Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One 
for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for 
the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, 
the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the 
same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from 
git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and 
drivers - just a single source that works for sure.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

From PKA at telepost.gl  Sat Oct 25 10:02:36 2014
From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 14:02:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I turn OFF my K3 remotely
In-Reply-To: <544B1142.5000908@embarqmail.com>
References: <544B0BF8.28008.49D2CA@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>,
	<544B1142.5000908@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <7BACE14F-B5F9-4C84-8CCE-EBA4F1B83959@telepost.gl>

John
You can send the PS0 command from HRD:
Macros>Display>CAT Comands ( PS0).
You will hear that the K3 audio stops and you can then switch OFF the K3 by briefly shorting ACC pin 8 to ground.
I use GSM SMS to do that (and subsequently to switch OFF the PSU). An IP power switch may be simpler, but I like to be able to switch everything OFF also if my router goes dead.

One slight problem is that you need to be sure that pin8 has been grounded and the K3 has been switched OFF before you switch OFF the PSU. I do that by very carefully listening to the audio (Skype or IP-Sound). But in some cases there may be some delay in delivery of SMS and it may be difficult to ensure that pin 8 has really been shorted ( and you may want to request the relay status by yet another SMS!) But there is a very weak change in the audio noise level when pin8 is pulled to ground and when you hear that you know you can safely switch OFF the PSU.

If someone from Elecraft reads this, I suggest to include in a future firmware upgrade something which makes the K3 audio make a beep when pin 8 is pulled down and K3 switches OFF.

73 
Paul/OZ4UN

> Den 25/10/2014 kl. 04.56 skrev "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>:
> 
> John,
> 
> I don't know if or how that HRD does it, but remote power off is available if the software issues a PS0; command to the K3.  Note that a powered off K3 is not listening to commands, there is no way to turn the K3 on via RS-232 command.  To turn the K3 back on remotely, an external device must pull the ACC connector pin 8 to ground.  That may require additional hardware at the remote site.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 10/24/2014 10:33 PM, John K9UWA wrote:
>> Can someone tell me how to turn OFF my K3 radio remotely through HRD.
>> All I could find in the archives was this simple statement.
>> 
>> >From HRD If one wants to get fancy, you can even shut down
>> the K3 using the Power off command through the serial communications
>> port, and then shut down the computer too.
>> 
>> Well no other explanation was given. So that might be fine for some
>> computer expert but doesn't tell me anything other than yes it is possible.
>> Can someone point me to a step by step instructions on how to turn off the
>> K3 radio by remote?
> 
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From graham at g4fnl.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 11:17:36 2014
From: graham at g4fnl.co.uk (G4FNL)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:17:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sub receiver gradual noise level increase
Message-ID: <006601cff066$cf81e280$6e85a780$@g4fnl.co.uk>

Guys
I have a K3 that has developed what I think is a fault on the sub-receiver. It is S/N 883. MCU Firmware is at 4.86

If I switch on the K3 and enable the sub receiver, I hear equally as well as the main receiver but after a few seconds, an increasingly loud noise level builds up and the signal level drops down (in this situation, the noise remains present even when the aerial is disconnected). The main receiver operates without any such issues.

I  have saved a small video file showing the effect and how switching the sub receiver off and then immediately back on restores the receiver, until the noise returns and the signal drops out once again.  See 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43142183/2.wmv

I have checked internal TMP connections and also the multi-pin connectors on the sub receiver board, but having put things back together the situation remains unchanged.

Has anyone had a similar fault and if so, what was the solution? 

73 Graham G4FNL


From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Sat Oct 25 11:27:29 2014
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:27:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I turn OFF my K3 remotely
In-Reply-To: <7BACE14F-B5F9-4C84-8CCE-EBA4F1B83959@telepost.gl>
References: <544B0BF8.28008.49D2CA@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>,
	<544B1142.5000908@embarqmail.com>,
	<7BACE14F-B5F9-4C84-8CCE-EBA4F1B83959@telepost.gl>
Message-ID: <544BC161.15782.CAE2F2@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>

Thanks to Paul and Don problem is solved.

>From HRD hit MACROS>Display>CAT and add the definition and the 
command PS0     in HRD it automatically adds the ; semicolon to the macro.

I already have on the computer an N8LP USB to analog relay board that 
switches some antennas and has one button to TURN ON the radio by 
grounded briefly pin8 of the ACC socket.

Thanks guys
John k9uwa
John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF 
Antique Radio Restorations
k9uwa at arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
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From stewart at twinwood.me  Sat Oct 25 11:43:34 2014
From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:43:34 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sub receiver gradual noise level increase
In-Reply-To: <006601cff066$cf81e280$6e85a780$@g4fnl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20141025164334.955527@Shack>

Hi Graham,
I had a problem early on with my K3 S/N 307.

The Sub RX mixer was intermittently noisy. I verified this by swapping the mixer 
with the one in the Main RX.

Elecraft replaced it FOC.

Hope this helps.

73
Stewart G3RXQ

P.S. Lot's of bad signals in SSB CQWW. Obviously they are not using K3's !

On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:17:36 +0100, G4FNL wrote:
> Guys
> I have a K3 that has developed what I think is a fault on the sub-receiver. It 
is S/N 883. MCU Firmware is at 4.86
>
> If I switch on the K3 and enable the sub receiver, I hear equally as well as 
the main receiver but after a few seconds, an increasingly loud noise level 
builds up and the signal level drops down (in this situation, the noise remains 
present even when the aerial is disconnected). The main receiver operates 
without any such issues.
>
> I  have saved a small video file showing the effect and how switching the sub 
receiver off and then immediately back on restores the receiver, until the noise 
returns and the signal drops out once again.  See
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43142183/2.wmv
>
> I have checked internal TMP connections and also the multi-pin connectors on 
the sub receiver board, but having put things back together the situation 
remains unchanged.
>
> Has anyone had a similar fault and if so, what was the solution?
>
> 73 Graham G4FNL
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Oct 25 11:48:56 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:48:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>

I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I
don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or
laptop.

These are RS232 over IP devices.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM, W2BLC <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for
> the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the
> board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place
> for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to
> work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more
> screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a
> single source that works for sure.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
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From ronl at csustan.edu  Sat Oct 25 11:58:30 2014
From: ronl at csustan.edu (n6ee)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
 for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1414252710512-7594166.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have same ticking sound in K3/0 Mini EXACTLY as described by Brian - Mic in
or out makes no difference. Only thing that stops it is removing TTL cable.
Puzzling and annoying.

73,
Ron N6EE




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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 12:14:04 2014
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:14:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Pigknob
Message-ID: <544BCC4C.9030205@nycap.rr.com>

I have been using the Pigknob for several months now and have found it 
to be a super add-on for the K3 (and some other rigs also).

I control the VFO in steps of 1 kc or 100 cycles (user programmable 
range and push selectable at the control) and have eight (8) other 
buttons that I program as I wish. In my case: band up, band down, mode, 
auto-notch toggle, audio level preset (to work with my armchair copy 
station audio system), and audio level mute (AG000). I still have two 
more buttons that I am not using - I am leaning toward wide and narrow 
filter selection or NB toggle. Programming is simple - via a terminal 
program (I use Putty).

I do not normally log, rarely work DX, and never participate in 
contests. I am a simple rag chewer. This control on a wire allows me to 
easily use my K3 without having to reach across the desk to reach it (I 
have mobility issues). I can place the little box on my chair arm or on 
the desk close to me.

I have no business interest in the subject - merely find that it is one 
of those rare devices that actually works as advertised and is a great 
assist for me personally. Perhaps others could benefit from my experience.

Prior to the Pigknob, I used an older free version of HRD. I still do 
from time to time - but not often. I never upgraded, as all I need is 
rig control.

Info at: http://pignology.net/pigknob/

Bill W2BLC K-Line :)


From jrb3628 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 13:06:30 2014
From: jrb3628 at gmail.com (Jim Bobo)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
Message-ID: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>

Just got my antenna up after 3 years of the air and tried the K3. It 
just shuts down when keyed. Was back to the factory several months ago 
and not been turned on since. Have a manual somewhere but can't put my 
hands on it. Any help would be appreciated.

73, Jim, W5ODD

From nf4l at nf4l.com  Sat Oct 25 13:15:17 2014
From: nf4l at nf4l.com (Mike Reublin)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 13:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>
References: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5997E0C6-DB30-4B2E-BE96-D5C173951A27@nf4l.com>

Jim -
You can download the manual. http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm

73, Mike NF4L

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Jim Bobo <jrb3628 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Just got my antenna up after 3 years of the air and tried the K3. It just shuts down when keyed. Was back to the factory several months ago and not been turned on since. Have a manual somewhere but can't put my hands on it. Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> 73, Jim, W5ODD
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 14:01:11 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 21:01:11 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>
References: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544BE567.3010003@gmail.com>

Could the power supply be shutting down for some reason? Measure the PS 
voltage when this happens.

Also, try transmitting into a dummy load to eliminate possible 
RF-in-the-shack issues.

On 25 Oct 2014 20:06, Jim Bobo wrote:
> Just got my antenna up after 3 years of the air and tried the K3. It
> just shuts down when keyed. Was back to the factory several months ago
> and not been turned on since. Have a manual somewhere but can't put my
> hands on it. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> 73, Jim, W5ODD


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Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 14:02:39 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:02:39 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>

Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want to 
use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the 
interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator 
controller.

I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: W2BLC
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One
for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for
the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me,
the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the
same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from
git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and
drivers - just a single source that works for sure.

Bill W2BLC K-Line 


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 14:17:13 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C94ED40A25149D4896E9146B3354BF2@Paramount>

That might work for me in conjunction with real RS232 ports. Then I could 
perhaps control from my Nexus tablet and Android phone.

I guess there's always the Pigknob stuff, but the hardware does seem rather 
expensive.

FWIW I'm about to dump the Prolific (maybe counterfeit) hardware altogether 
except for the Baofeng cable which works fine with my laptop.
The reason being that whilst I was experimenting yesterday, installing one 
of the Prolific drivers crashed the PC into a BSOD and even though I was 
using a different piece of hardware to attempt to control my UPS, it still 
crashed u7nexpectedly when I was using it for something unrelated.
I've now uninstalled the Prolific driver completely and I'm performing a 
ReImage repair to ensure stability. The PC has been stable for two years 
since I built it, so I take drastic action when something like this happens. 
:-)

I also discovered that when I was attempting to get the device to talk to 
the K3, although I was getting conflicting reports, some communication must 
have taken place because when I switched the K3 on today, I saw two error 
messages which were caused by c0onfig changes that I did not make (2 modules 
classed as installed but not actually present) and the K3 now has my 
callsign on the startup message. The ONLY way that could have got there is 
via the RS232 port.

I just have to be patient and wait for the FTDI cable to arrive, which I can 
use on at least a temporary basis to ensure that the config is 100% and save 
it as a file.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Walker
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:48 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I
don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or
laptop.

These are RS232 over IP devices.

Mike va3mw 


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 14:21:42 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:21:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
Message-ID: <544BEA36.1030402@socal.rr.com>

I'm with you, Alan. I keep a 10" laptop at my operating position so I 
can see the rig over it

There is a desktop Win 7 machine nearby but I don't yet interface it 
with my rigs.

Phil W7OX

On 10/25/2014 11:02, G4GNX wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I 
> want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I 
> get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my 
> rotator controller.
>
> I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: W2BLC
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>
> Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One
> for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for
> the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me,
> the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the
> same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from
> git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and
> drivers - just a single source that works for sure.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Oct 25 14:29:20 2014
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
Message-ID: <544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

They make "real" serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion 
slot-standard is called.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/25/2014 11:02 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I 
> want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I 
> get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my 
> rotator controller.
>
> I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: W2BLC
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>
> Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One
> for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for
> the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me,
> the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the
> same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from
> git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and
> drivers - just a single source that works for sure.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 25 15:04:53 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:04:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>
References: <544BD896.3060207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544BF455.7040604@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

Check the power supply to see if it is shutting off - if it not that, 
try the K3 into a dummy load.  If the problem goes away with the dummy 
load, the most likely reason is RF in the shack.

I did not think I had a problem with RF in the shack until I recently 
tried working on 10 meters.  At power levels above 75 watts, the K3 
would turn off all by itself - but no problem into a dummy load, so I 
have to get some ferrite on that antenna.

If RF is causing it, take heed of the wealth of information for 
attacking it in K9YC's paper on dealing with RFI at 
http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/25/2014 1:06 PM, Jim Bobo wrote:
> Just got my antenna up after 3 years of the air and tried the K3. It 
> just shuts down when keyed. Was back to the factory several months ago 
> and not been turned on since.


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Oct 25 15:34:21 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:34:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange "Ticking" sound with K3/0 Mini to RemoteRig
	for remotely controlling K3.
In-Reply-To: <1414252710512-7594166.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qbSinG4nGFygj-+pHWOfqc9ex-of7Vs8N4fOyAUvPtRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1414252710512-7594166.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1414265661.54978.YahooMailNeo@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



I do not have K3/0 remote rig , however I have the ticking sound.
While using homebrew 630 meter transverter and the band noise is low.
I always thought it was the K3 clock. I could be wrong because I was once before.

73 Ken K5DNL / WG2XXM




On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:02 AM, n6ee <ronl at csustan.edu> wrote:
 


I have same ticking sound in K3/0 Mini EXACTLY as described by Brian - Mic in
or out makes no difference. Only thing that stops it is removing TTL cable.
Puzzling and annoying.

73,
Ron N6EE




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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Oct 25 15:34:25 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
	<544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5mqkNOTVFG1jsMNVFanjySasOmT9E0V4a+9vMJNyVWYQ@mail.gmail.com>

That's the advantage of switching to the Moxa's.  All you need is a device
that connects to your Lan like any laptop.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> They make "real" serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion
> slot-standard is called.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
>
> On 10/25/2014 11:02 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want
>> to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the
>> interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator
>> controller.
>>
>> I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: W2BLC
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>>
>> Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One
>> for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for
>> the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me,
>> the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the
>> same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from
>> git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and
>> drivers - just a single source that works for sure.
>>
>> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 25 15:45:08 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:45:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] Faulting?
In-Reply-To: <482316972.375351.1414231221395.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <482316972.375351.1414231221395.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <544BFDC4.1000500@embarqmail.com>

Eric,

What is the chance that the transceiver and amplifier are 'spiking' at 
keydown time.  That can cause a fault in the KAT500.  Try turning the 
power down and see if it continues.

Do you have the K3 and KPA500 as well?  If so, does the KAT500 fault 
when they are used?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/25/2014 6:00 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> I am using a KAT500 to control my station's antenna switching.  Tonight when I used a tube transceiver and amplifier, I would get a FAULT about every 5-10 minutes.  Power was 650w.  Here are the KAT500's parameters: f=7032, VSWR 1.13, BYPASS VSWR 1.8, TUNE STATE 0 9 20 1.13, fm 1.67.  Any idea what is going on?
> Thanks and 73,
> Eric WD6DBM
>


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 16:02:21 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] Faulting?
In-Reply-To: <544BFDC4.1000500@embarqmail.com>
References: <482316972.375351.1414231221395.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<544BFDC4.1000500@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1s9EtZ_d+1tPgFrDwgZ8GGny+GEd88zBEX=HHPNLqmXA@mail.gmail.com>

The old tube rigs and their frame relay T/R are famous for glitching the
leading edge of the first dit or syllable. The problem with arcs is that
the arc is not just composed of the single frequency that is creating. The
broad signal resulting from the arc will be very highly invested with
off-band components There are many faults in the olde stuffe that usually
need cleaning up to run smoothly with modern stuff, with the modern
expectations.

I never had a KAT500 to go with my Yaesu FT101ZD. I also had to use a foot
switch for T/R.

73, Guy

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> What is the chance that the transceiver and amplifier are 'spiking' at
> keydown time.  That can cause a fault in the KAT500.  Try turning the power
> down and see if it continues.
>
> Do you have the K3 and KPA500 as well?  If so, does the KAT500 fault when
> they are used?
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 10/25/2014 6:00 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> I am using a KAT500 to control my station's antenna switching.  Tonight
>> when I used a tube transceiver and amplifier, I would get a FAULT about
>> every 5-10 minutes.  Power was 650w.  Here are the KAT500's parameters:
>> f=7032, VSWR 1.13, BYPASS VSWR 1.8, TUNE STATE 0 9 20 1.13, fm 1.67.  Any
>> idea what is going on?
>> Thanks and 73,
>> Eric WD6DBM
>>
>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 25 16:08:08 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 13:08:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
	<544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <544C0328.2070903@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/25/2014 11:29 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> They make "real" serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion 
> slot-standard is called.

Yes, and I've been using Quatech 2-port cards for at least ten years 
with T2x, T4x, and T6x-series Thinkpads. The problem is that newer 
laptops don't have slots for these cards, hence the need for USB to 
RS232 converters.

73, Jim K9YC

From k1nd at comcast.net  Sat Oct 25 16:27:54 2014
From: k1nd at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:27:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Impressions
Message-ID: <544C07CA.3060000@comcast.net>

*Received the PX3 on the 9th ~ assembly was straight forward with a little
assistance from tech-support**. OOPS, I placed the bezel on the wrong-side
of the front panel = end-plate doesn't  fit well that way. :-)

*/Impressions: Assembly was easy, makes for an octopus hookup with
all the interface cables ~ and it works satisfactory. Hope a /SVGA / FFT 
<http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#p3>
Adapter Card <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#p3> /**{not 
available yet} for the PX3 will improve my "acceptance"
~ awaiting for it patiently ~
/
//Cheers, Jan K1ND ~ now 60 years in the hobby ~
/
PS: Desire the larger monitor option; have been using a 21" one with my
Genesis G59 MKIII sdr-transceiver kit ~ for more than two years now.

/

From davidahrendts at me.com  Sat Oct 25 16:48:35 2014
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 13:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 & KXPA100 into Ameritron ALS-600S
Message-ID: <02CD1528-6E07-44FC-A72F-FD69902A1450@me.com>

I want to run my just-born KX3 and it?s 100-watt companion KCPA100 into a high power linear, my Ameritron ALS-600S. But we have some issues. For instance: the combo easily produces 600 watts CW. But, on SSB it far too easily trips the Ameritron load fault, or the KXPA100 high SWR shut down. This rather acts like RF feedback. Maybe I just need to follow better RF hygiene here (higher quality coax cables, making sure RF does not loop back on a power cable, etc.). Any collective wisdom appreciated.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 17:06:19 2014
From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
Message-ID: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday,
I suspect that quite a few of us here knew him at least via RF and the
reflector. 

http://onefootingrave.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/25-october-sad-message.html




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Brendan EI6IZ 


From ray at band.se  Sat Oct 25 17:24:36 2014
From: ray at band.se (Raymund Band)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 23:24:36 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
In-Reply-To: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <018601cff09a$143485d0$3c9d9170$@band.se>

Me too, I have followed Julian right through the blog and the  KComm etc.
era and, of course, the ill-health of the past three years. 
God rest his soul.

Raymund / SM5XLP

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?mne: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO

I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday, I
suspect that quite a few of us here knew him at least via RF and the
reflector. 

http://onefootingrave.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/25-october-sad-message.html




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From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 18:00:44 2014
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 23:00:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
In-Reply-To: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <E6F0C3C2-B4AA-4C37-9D5F-BB100569340D@Alphadene.co.uk>

Yes, I'm very sad, we used to chat on the UK K3 net.
Rest In Peace Julian.
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)


On 25 Oct 2014, at 22:06, Brendan Minish <ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday,
> I suspect that quite a few of us here knew him at least via RF and the
> reflector. 
> 
> http://onefootingrave.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/25-october-sad-message.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73
> Brendan EI6IZ 
> 
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From w8nn at charter.net  Sat Oct 25 18:14:18 2014
From: w8nn at charter.net (Bill Lewis)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration setting to force mode to be Identical A
	to B
Message-ID: <001601cff0a1$05504020$0ff0c060$@net>

Is there a simple K3 configuration setting to FORCE the mode associated with
VFO B to track the mode associated with VFO A?

I have found the setting to keep the Bands identical... but after studying
the manual, I cannot find how to keep the modes identical without pushing a
number of buttons each time.

Thanks much...W8NN






From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 18:39:51 2014
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 23:39:51 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
In-Reply-To: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <008c01cff0a4$9c074a60$d415df20$@co.uk>

>
>I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday,
>I suspect that quite a few of us here knew him at least via RF and the
>reflector.
>

And also through his blog, which he bravely started when first diagnosed
with a brain tumor. It will tell you much about the man, and why we
salute his passing.

http://onefootingrave.blogspot.co.uk



73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
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>Brendan Minish
>Sent: 25 October 2014 22:06
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
>
>
>
>--
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>Brendan EI6IZ
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 25 18:51:47 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:51:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration setting to force mode to be
 Identical A to B
In-Reply-To: <001601cff0a1$05504020$0ff0c060$@net>
References: <001601cff0a1$05504020$0ff0c060$@net>
Message-ID: <544C2983.9040902@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Yes there is an easy way.  Simply double tap the A>B button.
The first tap transfers the frequency, but the 2nd tap (within 2 
seconds) transfers mode and several other parameters.  You will see A>B 
ALL flash briefly in the VFO B display area.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/25/2014 6:14 PM, Bill Lewis wrote:
> Is there a simple K3 configuration setting to FORCE the mode associated with
> VFO B to track the mode associated with VFO A?
>
> I have found the setting to keep the Bands identical... but after studying
> the manual, I cannot find how to keep the modes identical without pushing a
> number of buttons each time.
>
> Thanks much...W8NN
>


From jlangridge at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 25 19:27:50 2014
From: jlangridge at sbcglobal.net (KB5NJD)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO IND in the KX3?
Message-ID: <1414279670700-7594189.post@n2.nabble.com>

Good Afternoon,

I recently received my KX3 and its amazing.

I am very active on the 630m band as a Part 5 experimental station and use
an outboard transmit downconverter with an 80m IF to generate a signal. 
While I have RX upconverters that port to various bands, the native RX seems
ok so at least at first I plan on using the internal general coverage RX.

I just ran into a problem, however.  I need to be able to TX on one band and
RX on another, literally VFO A is RX at 475 KHz and VFO B is TX at 3675 Khz. 
Every time I manually enter a freq, when I presee enter, it changes both
VFO's to the same band.  I have been told that in the K3, there is a menu
setting (VFO IND) to allow independent VFO's but I dont see that option with
the KX3.

How do I do this?  The manual does not indicate any instructions for
crossband operation but I do it with my Yaesu's and they seem very happy
with this type of operation so I suspect there is a way to make this happen.

Thanks so much!

John Langridge KB5NJD / WG2XIQ



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Oct 25 19:49:45 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:49:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO IND in the KX3?
In-Reply-To: <1414279670700-7594189.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414279670700-7594189.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8F3CBEB3-D0A3-4323-A0CB-03F8BFA1B0EA@elecraft.com>

John,

The KX3 has "dual watch" (up to +/- 15 kHz VFO A and B separation within the current band). But it does not allow the VFOs to be on different bands. (The K3 allows VFO INDependent in conjunction with the sub receiver, which also has its own front end filters, allowing simultaneous receive on two different bands).

To do what I think you require on the KX3, you could set up 160 m and 80 m for the desired frequencies, then hit BAND+ or BAND- to go from TX to RX. It's still just a single switch press.

Regarding 475 kHz receive: My guess is you'll want to use the up-converter. The KX3's sensitivity and image rejection is optimized for the ham bands, and I'm not sure it will meet your needs at this frequency.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 25, 2014, at 4:27 PM, KB5NJD <jlangridge at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Good Afternoon,
> 
> I recently received my KX3 and its amazing.
> 
> I am very active on the 630m band as a Part 5 experimental station and use
> an outboard transmit downconverter with an 80m IF to generate a signal. 
> While I have RX upconverters that port to various bands, the native RX seems
> ok so at least at first I plan on using the internal general coverage RX.
> 
> I just ran into a problem, however.  I need to be able to TX on one band and
> RX on another, literally VFO A is RX at 475 KHz and VFO B is TX at 3675 Khz. 
> Every time I manually enter a freq, when I presee enter, it changes both
> VFO's to the same band.  I have been told that in the K3, there is a menu
> setting (VFO IND) to allow independent VFO's but I dont see that option with
> the KX3.
> 
> How do I do this?  The manual does not indicate any instructions for
> crossband operation but I do it with my Yaesu's and they seem very happy
> with this type of operation so I suspect there is a way to make this happen.
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> John Langridge KB5NJD / WG2XIQ
> 
> 
> 
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From jlangridge at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 25 20:01:52 2014
From: jlangridge at sbcglobal.net (KB5NJD)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO IND in the KX3?
In-Reply-To: <8F3CBEB3-D0A3-4323-A0CB-03F8BFA1B0EA@elecraft.com>
References: <1414279670700-7594189.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8F3CBEB3-D0A3-4323-A0CB-03F8BFA1B0EA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1414281712566-7594191.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks Wayne.  I have an RX converter I can put in line that ports to 80m
also. I will just have to create the relay logic for RX/TX but I have all
the info and materials I need to do that.

Interestingly enough, the RX seems "ok" down there but I have outboard
filters in place.  Sensitivity is down a bit but its not a show stopper, or
it has not been so far.  More real time evaluation is in order.

thanks again for the clarification.  I am very happy with the KX3 and can
apply my workaround to make this fill my need.

73!

John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ



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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 25 20:36:06 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:36:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>
	<544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <544C41F6.5080004@socal.rr.com>

My impression is that PCMCIA aka PC Card, I think, 
went away some years ago. None of my three laptops 
has that feature.

Phil W7OX

On 10/25/14 11:29 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> They make "real" serial ports on PCMCIA and 
> whatever the new expansion slot-standard is called.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 10/25/2014 11:02 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC 
>> but unfortunately I want to use a small 
>> notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I 
>> get the interface working, I can use it to 
>> connect to the K3 and my rotator controller.
>>
>> I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks 
>> for the suggestion.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: W2BLC
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>>
>> Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial 
>> ports - I have two. One
>> for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I 
>> recall, I paid about $20 for
>> the board - a long time ago. It has been in 
>> several computers. To me,
>> the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - 
>> that way everyone gets the
>> same thing to work with and Elecraft will 
>> assure it works properly from
>> git go. No more screwing around with 
>> real/counterfeit/bogus products and
>> drivers - just a single source that works for 
>> sure.
>>
>> Bill W2BLC K-Line


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 21:06:09 2014
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:06:09 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>

Using an old Prolific here still. No known issues to date.
Interedtingly, using teo FTDI cabled i get interference so placed them in
the junk cable box. One came from Elecraft and the other from ebay.
I can easily accept a counterfeit from ebay but the Elecraft supplied cable
was annoying to say the least.
Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy
to my way of thinking....but what would i know?

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 26/10/2014 1:49 AM, "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I
> don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or
> laptop.
>
> These are RS232 over IP devices.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM, W2BLC <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One
> for
> > the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the
> > board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the
> place
> > for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing
> to
> > work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more
> > screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a
> > single source that works for sure.
> >
> > Bill W2BLC K-Line
> >
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From lmarion at mt.net  Sat Oct 25 22:03:49 2014
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 20:03:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: homebrew KX3 electret microphone
Message-ID: <7EA769AEC424427E970B56354FF9397B@LeroyPC>



From: lmarion 
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:52 PM
To: 
Subject: homebrew KX3 electret microphone

I am  trying to make a KX3 microphone, no up/down. Just PTT with MIC bias.  
1)  do I need 4 ring jack, or will a 3 ring work?
2)  which jack ring is used for the MIC bias?

            Thanks, Leroy  AB7CE

From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 22:52:22 2014
From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: homebrew KX3 electret microphone
In-Reply-To: <7EA769AEC424427E970B56354FF9397B@LeroyPC>
References: <7EA769AEC424427E970B56354FF9397B@LeroyPC>
Message-ID: <1414291942587-7594195.post@n2.nabble.com>

You don't need a TRRS plug.  You can use a TRS plug.  Mic hot lead to the
Tip.  PTT to the Ring.   Ground on the Sleeve.

Then, in the Menu, set MIC BTN = PTT.  This turns the Mic Button feature
off.

Mic bias is applied to the mic lead on the tip - no separate connection.  
See the schematic on the Elecraft website.
<http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX3>  

Cheers,

David/KG6IRW



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From phils at riousa.com  Sun Oct 26 00:09:19 2014
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 21:09:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <032A218E-2BC5-4EEF-835B-61D0C0EF9FE5@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  We?ll probably have to battle the DX contesters.  If it gets too challenging, we can cut it short.  See you there.

73,
Phil, NS7P


From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au  Sun Oct 26 00:26:18 2014
From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:26:18 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB - Urgent
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8i-hWdPsiPEHpLT=ErnwztMGCQ+5GLL8CeSfNUoWxEK5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+03d8i-hWdPsiPEHpLT=ErnwztMGCQ+5GLL8CeSfNUoWxEK5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+03d8hWPp_RZkSCf-zdR=zhe1xWVURctw6ODAg+jh76TOz4Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon (it's Sunday afternoon and 35 degrees C here)

Please see my email below - panic over !!

I trawled through the websites of various local computer and electronics
suppliers and found that Jaycar - a big Australian electronic parts
retailer with lots of branches - apparently had a USB to Serial convertor
that works with Windows 8 and 8.1.

So I just went and bought one and lo and behold it was absolutely plug and
play. The K3 and Windows 8.1 are playing happily together again.

Interestingly the convertor appears to have a Prolific chip as the Jaycar
website has a link (from the details of this particular item) to Prolific
where details of all the various Prolific chips are shown together with
their compatability with the various versions of Windows.

I am also forwarding this to the reflector in case any of my VK friends are
having similar problems.

73

Barry  VK2BJ

On 25 October 2014 18:28, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Good afternoon
>
> My Prolific KUSB has been working satisfactorily for years with various
> computers up to and including Windows 7.
>
> However, I have just bought a small Windows 8 laptop to take on holiday
> for use with my K3 and the KUSB won't work with it.
>
> I think that your new KUSB's with the FTDI chips do work with Windows 8.
> If this is the case, how quickly can you ship one to me by the fastest air
> mail possible as I am going on holiday in just over two weeks.
>
> I await your urgent reply.
>
> 73
>
> Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
>

From k9mx at verizon.net  Sun Oct 26 01:07:30 2014
From: k9mx at verizon.net (David Boyd)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:07:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a PK232 with the K3
Message-ID: <1414300050.28262.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Has anyone used a PK232SC with a K3? If so, how did you connect to it? Thanks.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From dave at davesergeant.com  Sun Oct 26 01:35:26 2014
From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 05:35:26 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
In-Reply-To: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <544C881E.6007.B7399@dave.davesergeant.com>

Indeed, sad news. Julian has faced a brave struggle for  a long time 
and kept his face up throughout it. As it happened I was only looking 
at his blog yesterday while hunting for XV50 information and wondered 
how he was. May he rest in peace.

73 Dave G3YMC

On 25 Oct 2014 at 22:06, Brendan Minish wrote:

> I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday


http://davesergeant.com


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 01:58:25 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:58:25 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 & KXPA100 into Ameritron ALS-600S
In-Reply-To: <02CD1528-6E07-44FC-A72F-FD69902A1450@me.com>
References: <02CD1528-6E07-44FC-A72F-FD69902A1450@me.com>
Message-ID: <544C8D81.2090402@gmail.com>

I can tell you that I had similar problems when I tried to do this with 
the K2 back before the K2's 100-watt KPA100 was available. I tried using 
an external 100-watt solid-state amplifier (good quality, made by Henry 
Radio) to drive a one-kW linear. Sometimes it worked, but sometimes 
there was feedback which caused horrible clicks/spurs, etc.

There is a lot of gain external to the KX3 here. I think you have the 
answer in "RF hygiene," which should include separate leads to the power 
supply for the KX3, KXPA100 and ALS-600S (or separate power supplies). 
Good coax and liberal use of ferrites might help too.

On 25 Oct 2014 23:48, David Ahrendts wrote:
> I want to run my just-born KX3 and it?s 100-watt companion KCPA100
> into a high power linear, my Ameritron ALS-600S. But we have some
> issues. For instance: the combo easily produces 600 watts CW. But, on
> SSB it far too easily trips the Ameritron load fault, or the KXPA100
> high SWR shut down. This rather acts like RF feedback. Maybe I just
> need to follow better RF hygiene here (higher quality coax cables,
> making sure RF does not loop back on a power cable, etc.). Any
> collective wisdom appreciated.
>
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 02:32:27 2014
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:32:27 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>

Good grief......

No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.

Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com> wrote:

>
> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than
>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>
>
> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you
> received it from someone else?  ... or should you be allowed to
> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole
> it?
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> Using an old Prolific here still. No known issues to date.
>> Interedtingly, using teo FTDI cabled i get interference so placed them in
>> the junk cable box. One came from Elecraft and the other from ebay.
>> I can easily accept a counterfeit from ebay but the Elecraft supplied
>> cable
>> was annoying to say the least.
>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy
>> to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>
>> Gary
>> Vk1ZZ
>> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
>> On 26/10/2014 1:49 AM, "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I
>>> don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> These are RS232 over IP devices.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM, W2BLC <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the
>>>> board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the
>>>>
>>> place
>>>
>>>> for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No
>>>> more
>>>> screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just
>>>> a
>>>> single source that works for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>>>>
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From hillslaird at internode.on.net  Sun Oct 26 02:56:53 2014
From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kevin Schache)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:26:53 +1030
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build #7552 Progress
Message-ID: <544C9B35.5020600@internode.on.net>

The four trimmers provided for C32, C34, C44, and C46 are supposed to be 
5-30pF ceramics but the ones supplied appear to be quite different.

They have a brown plastic type body and don't appear to be ceramic. I 
can find no markings on the trimmers to indicate their capacitance. The 
inside adjustment screw head is + shaped rather than a single slot for 
use with a small flat blade screwdriver. All this makes it difficult to 
set these trimmers to the mid-point as specified in the manual page 68 
Figure 6-23.
So I decide to find their midpoint by measuring them before inserting 
them, but came up with 20 -70pF which is a lot different from the 
expected 5-30pF.
I don't think my capacitance meter would be that far out.

The other two 50pF trimmers, C21 and C23 are certainly ceramic.
I've checked various assembly photos and they all appear to clearly show 
ceramic trimmers.

Can anyone tell me if these are a correct replacement?
Should I proceed to find the measured midpoint of these on the basis 
that they are a correct replacement?

Thanks,
Kev      VK5KS








From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Oct 26 03:32:10 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 00:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Impressions
In-Reply-To: <544C07CA.3060000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-4A1B62868A124E4190E308876591C2A2@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 10/25/14 at 1:27 PM, k1nd at comcast.net (Jan) wrote:

>*Received the PX3 on the 9th ~ assembly was straight forward with a little
>assistance from tech-support**. OOPS, I placed the bezel on the wrong-side
>of the front panel = end-plate doesn't  fit well that way. :-)

I did that too. After I had corrected the error and finished 
assembly, I then down loaded the manual errata sheet which had 
warnings not to install the bezel on the inside. :-)

Note that the errata sheet is dated October 17, 2014 which is 
about the time my PX3 shipped.

The PX3 is up and running now, but the serial number, 555, makes 
me think I have a timer chip HIHI.

I join Jim Brown in wanting fixed track mode. It is a lot harder 
to tune to a signal on the waterfall on the PX3 than it is on 
the P3 in fixed track, since you can't see where you are in the 
waterfall as you tune. If the waterfall panned as you tune, it 
might be easier. Marker A is the best way I have found, but it 
adds an extra step of complexity in tuning.

On the P3, I have it set up so when I switch to a WARC band (or 
160 meters), I have the whole band displayed on the waterfall. 
It is nice to have "band at a glance" information about signals 
a few seconds after switching.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Oct 26 05:19:27 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 02:19:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544CBC9F.8090004@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/25/2014 11:32 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> Good grief......
>
> No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.
>
> Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?

Hi Gary,

You're allowed to have an opinion, but so are the rest of us. I agree 
with Joe -- vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. Behringer 
established a reputation for doing that a decade or so ago, and the pro 
audio community condemned them (as did at least one court). Those who 
buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors should not be surprised when it 
turns out to be stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial interface 
cables of known good quality. The real stuff usually does cost more than 
junk.

I serve on an international Standards Committee (the Audio Engineering 
Society) with representatives of several very good manufacturers who 
have told me of their problems with counterfeits, and most of it is 
junk. For example, connectors that don't mate because their dimensions 
are wrong, and mics that look like the real thing but don't sound like 
the real thing.

73, Jim K9YC

From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 05:22:22 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:22:22 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>

Joe.

Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-)

Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate and 
disable their driver.

FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your government 
analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you don't just 
steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and you take the 
case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. In the 
case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the currency and say 
nothing.

If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to 
approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting 
stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to stop 
the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because there's 
too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and money before 
principles! :-(


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gary Gregory
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

Good grief......

No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.

Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com> wrote:

>
> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>
>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than
>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>
>
> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you
> received it from someone else?  ... or should you be allowed to
> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole
> it?
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Oct 26 05:25:18 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 02:25:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Impressions
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-4A1B62868A124E4190E308876591C2A2@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-4A1B62868A124E4190E308876591C2A2@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <544CBDFE.7010909@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/26/2014 12:32 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> *Received the PX3 on the 9th ~ assembly was straight forward with a 
>> little
>> assistance from tech-support**. OOPS, I placed the bezel on the 
>> wrong-side
>> of the front panel = end-plate doesn't  fit well that way. :-)
>
> I did that too. After I had corrected the error and finished assembly, 
> I then down loaded the manual errata sheet which had warnings not to 
> install the bezel on the inside. 

I made the same mistake.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Oct 26 05:33:50 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 02:33:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
Message-ID: <544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.

Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures 
to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am 
the bad guy?

In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in 
most religions, it's also immoral.

73, Jim K9YC

From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 05:49:30 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:49:30 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com><C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>

If the guys at Elecraft don?t pick this up, I will submit it directly, but I 
also wanted to get opinions.

I have only recently acquired a K3 and due to home circumstances, I?ve not 
had time to exploit its full potential. In fact I?ve only transmitted into a 
dummy load!

In the meantime, I am still using my Icom IC7100, until I can get the shack 
moved indoors and hook everything up to my satisfaction. The jury?s out on 
whether I will eventually sell off the IC7100, because it does have many 
features that the K3 does not, but in some areas it does not perform nearly 
as well as the K3s.

Apart from the 2M, 70cm, D-STAR native capability, the IC7100 does have one 
feature that I often find useful ? ?beeps? when I tune past the Amateur Band 
edges. It?s a small nicety which helps in my constant quest to be lazy. 
Smile
It saves me having to stop and think ?where are the band edges? on bands 
that I don?t use very much without looking them up.

So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper.

I appreciate that although it?s a small ask, it may be a major programming 
headache, but hopefully worth consideration and would help to further set 
the K3 above the rest.

I also notice that if I tune way out if band, the background noise 
diminishes noticeably and I presume that the sensitivity has markedly 
decreased? The problem with using that as a band-edge marker is that you 
have to tune a long way out of band before anything noticeable happens.

73,

Alan. G4GNX 


From montys at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 26 06:09:46 2014
From: montys at mindspring.com (MontyS)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 06:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
In-Reply-To: <544C881E.6007.B7399@dave.davesergeant.com>
References: <1414271179.9883.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<544C881E.6007.B7399@dave.davesergeant.com>
Message-ID: <703142ACE3C84047B4CF1F60472D5BFD@OfficePCNUC>

I had come to know Julian through his apps for the K3.  A true gentle 
person. I will also miss him and am saddened by his death.
Monty Shultes, K2DLJ 


From stewart at twinwood.me  Sun Oct 26 06:14:23 2014
From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:14:23 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
In-Reply-To: <018601cff09a$143485d0$3c9d9170$@band.se>
Message-ID: <20141026101423.750722@Shack>

Very sad news, a real loss to Amateur Radio.

Operating in CQWW I am thinking of him as I use one of the many programs 
(VOAProp) that he so generously donated to the hobby.

RIP Julian,

Stewart G3RXQ

On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 23:24:36 +0200, Raymund Band wrote:
> Me too, I have followed Julian right through the blog and the  KComm etc.
> era and, of course, the ill-health of the past three years.
> God rest his soul.
>
> Raymund / SM5XLP
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr?n: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] F?r Brendan Minish
> Skickat: den 25 oktober 2014 23:06
> Till: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> ?mne: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
>
> I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday, I
> suspect that quite a few of us here knew him at least via RF and the
> reflector.
>
> http://onefootingrave.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/25-october-sad-message.html
>
>
> --
> 73
> Brendan EI6IZ
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Oct 26 06:31:55 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 06:31:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5fLmLODJKNwc9qm28vRiq=t4JmCa1p-MYE=oN3HMePAQ@mail.gmail.com>

In China  they brag about how they have stolen intellectual property.

Mike va3mw

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>
>> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.
>>
>
> Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures to
> make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am the bad
> guy?
>
> In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in
> most religions, it's also immoral.
>
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 06:43:08 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:43:08 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com><C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <72CF968D96534B17A7133EC018124D3D@Paramount>

No Jim, it's not such a clear cut situation.

Of course manufacturers should be able to protect their interests, but 
taking acceptable measures depends on the degree of the measures and as 
usual the (often innocent) end-user is bearing the brunt of the 'measures' 
instead of the perpetrators of the crime.
The entire scenario is confusing in the extreme. The 'genuine' manufacturers 
sell their chips with a view to 3rd parties using them in interfaces which 
they then sell. The end-user mostly will have no idea which chip they have 
purchase in good faith. Even the technically competent of us will not stop 
to question what's inside the box. You buy according to published details 
and would find it very difficult to detect the "lies" on face value.

To simply disable a facility because you 'think' it's counterfeit and then 
not inform the user, is futile. The deed has already been done, the money's 
changed hands and all you've done is to cost yourself money in retaliation 
development with no hope of recovering your losses. You have also gotten 
yourself a reputation as a manufacturer of bad designs, because the public 
in general can't differentiate between the real thing and the counterfeit. 
That's why we have laws to be administered by people who (hopefully) know 
what they're doing and who have the resources to prove the case and make it 
stick against the source.

Microsoft with all their faults seem to have mostly got it right. To use 
Windows legally you have to validate and everyone knows this. If you don't 
abide by the rules or attempt to validate a "hooky" copy, the facility 
(Windows) will be withdrawn and you will receive a message telling you why 
and how to go about rectifying the situation. Microsoft do not attempt to 
disable any part of your PC's hardware, which is what FTDI have done and in 
my view is plain wrong!

Folks can sit on their pedestals and claim that "you should know better than 
to buy a 'cheap' product" , but often there's not a vast difference in 
prices and human nature being what it is, people like a bargain or a 
perceived saving. The criminals exploit this trait and IMO it's up to the 
vendors to go after the criminals directly, not a few end-users who will 
give up on the device and nobody wins.

If I lived in the USA or was about to visit imminently, I'd happily buy what 
I need direct from Elecraft as a responsible/reputable supplier, but as I'm 
in the UK I've ordered a USB/RS232 interface cable direct from FTDI in 
Scotland. The purchase price is significantly lower than that from Elecraft, 
due to shipping costs and taxes, plus I do not wish to wait over a week to 
receive it or pay courier prices for fast delivery.

Hopefully you can see my point? The device I've ordered is cheaper, but that 
does not make me suspicious that it's counterfeit. If the device arrived and 
was counterfeit, I'd be extremely surprised and very angry and would kick 
ass!

73,

Alan. G4GNX


-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Brown
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:33 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.

Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures
to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am
the bad guy?

In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in
most religions, it's also immoral.

73, Jim K9YC 


From neilz at techie.com  Sun Oct 26 07:41:58 2014
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:41:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Message-ID: <544CDE06.60400@techie.com>

Just a heads up ...

FTDI has released another update of their driver, removing the offending 
code that disables counterfeit chips, the older driver that does the 
disabling has been removed from the Windows update.

However, if you have a previously bricked RS232/USB converter, there is 
no easy way to fix that issue other than going into the chips NVRAM and 
resetting the hardware code.

Neil
KB3TVU

From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 08:00:27 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:00:27 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544CD74B.6020205@nc.rr.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com><C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<72CF968D96534B17A7133EC018124D3D@Paramount>
	<544CD74B.6020205@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5DC1B21DE0194FE49F7953BB55D97513@Paramount>

The FTDI drivers mostly work with the legitimate FTDI chips, but not always, 
because FTDI screwed up.

The latest FTDI drivers won't work with the counterfeit chips, but the 
remedy is simple - use an older driver and disable Windows Update (which I 
don't like anyway).

The difference between buying a key for the wrong lock is that the key does 
not attempt to destroy the inside of the lock (unless you hit it with a 
hammer <grin>).

The latest FTDI driver attempts to disable the internals of the chip itself 
and sometimes manages to hit genuine chips. They caught a cold on that one 
and have apparently been forced to withdraw it. That hit their reputation 
far more than the counterfeits which they did not manufacture.

I purchased a programming cable for a TYT hand-held from a 'reputable' 
supplier and that turned out to be a fake. What should happen is that the 
cable should be returned, a refund issued and the driver manufacturer 
informed but that would involve one company wasting time on another's 
business and in these days where time is money, it doesn't happen. In the 
meantime I just wanna program my rig, so I find the easiest way out - 
install an earlier driver. Yes, it's wrong but I don't have time to do 
others' bidding, and the only way I know if there's a 'bum' chip in the 
cable is by buying it first and using it.

We can all be "holier than thou" when it comes to what other people should 
do, but when it's ourselves, we all tend to do what it takes to get the 
result we want, even committing minor crime. Show me one person who has 
never bent the rules for their own small gain and I'll show you a liar!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brian
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:13 AM
To: G4GNX
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

Let me see.  The FTDI drivers work only on their legitimate chips.  They
don't work on the counterfeit chips. OK so far?

If you try and use FTDI drivers for counterfeit chips failure will
result.  That's OK too.

I don't know what kind of drivers are sent with counterfeit chip or
whether they even work.  If you try and upgrade the drivers to legit
FTDI ones, they will fail.  What would you expect?

This really is no different than buying a key for a lock.  It works on
that lock and doesn't work on other locks.

The real issue: how does one know that have a genuine FTDI chip in the
USB/RS232 converter purchased.  This takes some homework and finding a
reliable source.

One has to realize that manufacturers have to try an protect their
products from counterfeit knock offs.  Their bottom line and reputation
is at stake.

73 de Brian/K3KO 


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 08:04:42 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:04:42 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544CDE06.60400@techie.com>
References: <544CDE06.60400@techie.com>
Message-ID: <890FA569322D401D891B0884E7417B85@Paramount>

Yes Neil, the damage is not irreparable if you know how to do it, but 90% of 
the public will perceive their device as clinically dead!

My point is that FTDI realized their error and removed it. Whilst not 
resolving their situation, they at least have saved some 'face'.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Neil Zampella
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:41 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface

Just a heads up ...

FTDI has released another update of their driver, removing the offending
code that disables counterfeit chips, the older driver that does the
disabling has been removed from the Windows update.

However, if you have a previously bricked RS232/USB converter, there is
no easy way to fix that issue other than going into the chips NVRAM and
resetting the hardware code.

Neil
KB3TVU 


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 26 08:49:57 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 08:49:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build #7552 Progress
In-Reply-To: <544C9B35.5020600@internode.on.net>
References: <544C9B35.5020600@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <544CEDF5.4080507@embarqmail.com>

Kev,

Those are the trimmer caps that are currently used.  Yes, they are not 
ceramic, but they have good temperature compensation characteristics 
(better than the original ceramics).

Observe the flat side orientation when installing those capacitors so 
they can be properly adjusted when using a metallic adjustment tool.  If 
you cannot discern the flat side on the silkscreen, look at the parts 
placement diagram in the back of the manual.

It is not essential that they be set to midpoint, you will be able to 
easily determine the proper tuning point when you come to the alignment 
procedure.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/26/2014 2:56 AM, Kevin Schache wrote:
> The four trimmers provided for C32, C34, C44, and C46 are supposed to 
> be 5-30pF ceramics but the ones supplied appear to be quite different.
>
> They have a brown plastic type body and don't appear to be ceramic. I 
> can find no markings on the trimmers to indicate their capacitance. 
> The inside adjustment screw head is + shaped rather than a single slot 
> for use with a small flat blade screwdriver. All this makes it 
> difficult to set these trimmers to the mid-point as specified in the 
> manual page 68 Figure 6-23.
> So I decide to find their midpoint by measuring them before inserting 
> them, but came up with 20 -70pF which is a lot different from the 
> expected 5-30pF.
> I don't think my capacitance meter would be that far out.
>
> The other two 50pF trimmers, C21 and C23 are certainly ceramic.
> I've checked various assembly photos and they all appear to clearly 
> show ceramic trimmers.
>
> Can anyone tell me if these are a correct replacement?
> Should I proceed to find the measured midpoint of these on the basis 
> that they are a correct replacement?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From brian at brianlinn.com  Sun Oct 26 09:41:08 2014
From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian Linn)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 08:41:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com><C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>
Message-ID: <002001cff122$80edbd80$82c93880$@com>

Alan:

Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a band. 

Brian KD0HII


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G4GNX
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 04:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement

If the guys at Elecraft don?t pick this up, I will submit it directly, but I also wanted to get opinions.

I have only recently acquired a K3 and due to home circumstances, I?ve not had time to exploit its full potential. In fact I?ve only transmitted into a dummy load!

In the meantime, I am still using my Icom IC7100, until I can get the shack moved indoors and hook everything up to my satisfaction. The jury?s out on whether I will eventually sell off the IC7100, because it does have many features that the K3 does not, but in some areas it does not perform nearly as well as the K3s.

Apart from the 2M, 70cm, D-STAR native capability, the IC7100 does have one feature that I often find useful ? ?beeps? when I tune past the Amateur Band edges. It?s a small nicety which helps in my constant quest to be lazy. 
Smile
It saves me having to stop and think ?where are the band edges? on bands that I don?t use very much without looking them up.

So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper.

I appreciate that although it?s a small ask, it may be a major programming headache, but hopefully worth consideration and would help to further set the K3 above the rest.

I also notice that if I tune way out if band, the background noise diminishes noticeably and I presume that the sensitivity has markedly decreased? The problem with using that as a band-edge marker is that you have to tune a long way out of band before anything noticeable happens.

73,

Alan. G4GNX 

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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Oct 26 09:44:49 2014
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:44:49 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K2/10
Message-ID: <1414331089.21413.YahooMailNeo@web193505.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

Hello Elecrafters,

A local ham, who does not know much English, needs to sell his K2 s/n 42xx to raise fund due to family issues.  This K2 was built by me and consists of:

K2 basic HF transceiver kit
KSB2 SSB module
KNB2 noise blanker
KAT2 antenna tuning unit
KDSP2 dsp unit
KBT2 - battery bracket (without battery)
K160RX - 160m + 2nd RX ant

Total current price = USD1520 + shipping

I am selling the K2 on behalf of the local ham.  The price is USD1000 including shipping by air parcel post to major countries and cites.  Payment can be done by paypal and wire transfers.  We can share the fees 50/50.

The rig has been little used and in non-smoking envirnoment.  Photos are available upon request.  If interested or ask questions, please contact me off-the-list.

73

Johnny VR2XMC

From w4jbb at charter.net  Sun Oct 26 10:16:51 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
Message-ID: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>

Several years back, there was a freely available piece of software that 
would do several things with the K3. One of those things was that it 
would run through and give you an SWR bandwidth in a text file.

If memory serves, the icon had a yellow background with "K3" on it.

Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you know the name of the 
software and from where I might get a copy?

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 10:27:24 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:27:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB - Urgent
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8hWPp_RZkSCf-zdR=zhe1xWVURctw6ODAg+jh76TOz4Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+03d8i-hWdPsiPEHpLT=ErnwztMGCQ+5GLL8CeSfNUoWxEK5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+03d8hWPp_RZkSCf-zdR=zhe1xWVURctw6ODAg+jh76TOz4Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544D04CC.5000805@socal.rr.com>

Hi, Lisa --

I've been using the various Elecraft rigs and 
accessories (K3, KX3, P3, KPA500, KAT500) with a 
Windows 8.1 computer starting in March of this 
year. I believe I'm using only Elecraft-provided 
FTDI USB-RS232 converters (there may be one in the 
mix from Amazon, also FTDI) and I've had no 
problems running Windows 8.1 and interfacing with 
my Elecraft hardware at any time.

73, Phil W7OX

On 10/25/14 9:26 PM, Barry Simpson wrote:
> Good afternoon (it's Sunday afternoon and 35 degrees C here)
>
> Please see my email below - panic over !!
>
> I trawled through the websites of various local computer and electronics
> suppliers and found that Jaycar - a big Australian electronic parts
> retailer with lots of branches - apparently had a USB to Serial convertor
> that works with Windows 8 and 8.1.
>
> So I just went and bought one and lo and behold it was absolutely plug and
> play. The K3 and Windows 8.1 are playing happily together again.
>
> Interestingly the convertor appears to have a Prolific chip as the Jaycar
> website has a link (from the details of this particular item) to Prolific
> where details of all the various Prolific chips are shown together with
> their compatability with the various versions of Windows.
>
> I am also forwarding this to the reflector in case any of my VK friends are
> having similar problems.
>
> 73
>
> Barry  VK2BJ
>
> On 25 October 2014 18:28, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon
>>
>> My Prolific KUSB has been working satisfactorily for years with various
>> computers up to and including Windows 7.
>>
>> However, I have just bought a small Windows 8 laptop to take on holiday
>> for use with my K3 and the KUSB won't work with it.
>>
>> I think that your new KUSB's with the FTDI chips do work with Windows 8.
>> If this is the case, how quickly can you ship one to me by the fastest air
>> mail possible as I am going on holiday in just over two weeks.
>>
>> I await your urgent reply.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Barry Simpson  VK2BJ


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 10:30:57 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:30:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
In-Reply-To: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
References: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
Message-ID: <544D05A1.3000305@socal.rr.com>

Joel,

Have you tried the programs listed here 
http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm ?

Phil W7OX

On 10/26/14 7:16 AM, Joel Black wrote:
> Several years back, there was a freely available 
> piece of software that would do several things 
> with the K3. One of those things was that it 
> would run through and give you an SWR bandwidth 
> in a text file.
>
> If memory serves, the icon had a yellow 
> background with "K3" on it.
>
> Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you 
> know the name of the software and from where I 
> might get a copy?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB


From jim at n7us.net  Sun Oct 26 10:36:09 2014
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
In-Reply-To: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
References: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
Message-ID: <04a301cff12a$2fb33d70$8f19b850$@net>

You're probably thinking of K3_EZ.  I believe the developer is now a SK.  I
think the last version had a bug, but I have the last three versions in my
Google Drive:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-V-5Vmska0HS2RicDA3TTBRRlU&usp=shar
ing 

73, Jim N7US



-----Original Message-----


Several years back, there was a freely available piece of software that
would do several things with the K3. One of those things was that it would
run through and give you an SWR bandwidth in a text file.

If memory serves, the icon had a yellow background with "K3" on it.

Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you know the name of the
software and from where I might get a copy?

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB



From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 10:40:16 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544CBC9F.8090004@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<544CBC9F.8090004@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <544D07D0.6060400@socal.rr.com>

Jim,

I agree and disagree.

> vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. 
> Behringer established a reputation for doing 
> that a decade or so ago, and the pro audio 
> community condemned them (as did at least one 
> court). 
Yes they should be condemned and punished.
> Those who buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors 
> should not be surprised when it turns out to be 
> stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial 
> interface cables of known good quality. The real 
> stuff usually does cost more than junk. 
Punishing unknowing customers -- and most will not 
know they bought items with these problems, since 
vendors of good repute occasionally make mistakes 
and most of us cannot track the source of each 
chip in a product -- is just plain wrong-headed of 
FTDI. May they suffer the consequences to their 
reputation.

73, Phil W7OX

From jim at n7us.net  Sun Oct 26 10:43:05 2014
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:43:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
In-Reply-To: <04a301cff12a$2fb33d70$8f19b850$@net>
References: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
	<04a301cff12a$2fb33d70$8f19b850$@net>
Message-ID: <04c201cff12b$29069a20$7b13ce60$@net>

Here's a shorter link: http://tinyurl.com/mr4pe4q 

73, Jim N7US



-----Original Message-----


You're probably thinking of K3_EZ.  I believe the developer is now a SK.  I
think the last version had a bug, but I have the last three versions in my
Google Drive:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-V-5Vmska0HS2RicDA3TTBRRlU&usp=shar
ing 

73, Jim N7US



-----Original Message-----


Several years back, there was a freely available piece of software that
would do several things with the K3. One of those things was that it would
run through and give you an SWR bandwidth in a text file.

If memory serves, the icon had a yellow background with "K3" on it.

Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you know the name of the
software and from where I might get a copy?

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB


From mark at stennett.com  Sun Oct 26 10:57:08 2014
From: mark at stennett.com (Mark Stennett)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
In-Reply-To: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
References: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BE049782-537C-48F0-9879-2C9DBEA3D2CC@stennett.com>

K3-EZ. Try this link.

http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/



> On Oct 26, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Joel Black <w4jbb at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Several years back, there was a freely available piece of software that would do several things with the K3. One of those things was that it would run through and give you an SWR bandwidth in a text file.
> 
> If memory serves, the icon had a yellow background with "K3" on it.
> 
> Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you know the name of the software and from where I might get a copy?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 26 11:38:06 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:38:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <002001cff122$80edbd80$82c93880$@com>
References: <002001cff122$80edbd80$82c93880$@com>
Message-ID: <2087334448.481346.1414337886719.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

What version of the firmware are you running?


      From: Brian Linn <brian at brianlinn.com>
 To: 'G4GNX' <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
   
Alan:

Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a band. 

Brian KD0HII


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G4GNX
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 04:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement

If the guys at Elecraft don?t pick this up, I will submit it directly, but I also wanted to get opinions.

I have only recently acquired a K3 and due to home circumstances, I?ve not had time to exploit its full potential. In fact I?ve only transmitted into a dummy load!

In the meantime, I am still using my Icom IC7100, until I can get the shack moved indoors and hook everything up to my satisfaction. The jury?s out on whether I will eventually sell off the IC7100, because it does have many features that the K3 does not, but in some areas it does not perform nearly as well as the K3s.

Apart from the 2M, 70cm, D-STAR native capability, the IC7100 does have one feature that I often find useful ? ?beeps? when I tune past the Amateur Band edges. It?s a small nicety which helps in my constant quest to be lazy. 
Smile
It saves me having to stop and think ?where are the band edges? on bands that I don?t use very much without looking them up.

So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper.

I appreciate that although it?s a small ask, it may be a major programming headache, but hopefully worth consideration and would help to further set the K3 above the rest.

I also notice that if I tune way out if band, the background noise diminishes noticeably and I presume that the sensitivity has markedly decreased? The problem with using that as a band-edge marker is that you have to tune a long way out of band before anything noticeable happens.

73,

Alan. G4GNX 

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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Oct 26 11:43:31 2014
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:43:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface - the analogy
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17468.1414318475.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D0726F75.71A1%edauer@law.du.edu>

Just for the record, buying stolen goods is not a crime.  *Knowingly*
buying stolen goods, however, often is.  In any case even an innocent
purchaser of stolen goods acquires no valid title to them.  If he loses
out to the rightful owner, it?s he who has to go chase the thief.  That is
one of the traditional dimensions of the principle of Caveat Emptor (buyer
beware.)  How it fits into the present discussion I will let others decide.

End of OT law school lecture.

Ted, KN1CBR


Edward A. Dauer
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver






On 10/26/14, 4:14 AM, "elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net"
<elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>Message: 29
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 02:33:50 -0700
>From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>Message-ID: <544CBFFE.50304 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>>FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.
>
>Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures
>to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am
>the bad guy?
>
>In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in
>most religions, it's also immoral.
>
>73, Jim K9YC
>
>


From beford at myfairpoint.net  Sun Oct 26 11:57:26 2014
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:57:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
Message-ID: <5DD9E5BAB7AD4739B8F3106D5275C8E6@HPE250f>

> Alan:
> Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a 
> band. 
> Brian KD0HII

It only does this when you try to transmit beyond the band edge. I believe
what Alan (an others) have asked for, is a beep when tuning the VFO beyond a
band edge, while receiving.

This has been discussed many times in the past. Some people want it for
their particular country's band plan, other for their particular license
class. I hope we don't get into another drawn-out debate over this (again).

Bruce N1RX





From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 26 12:05:20 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:05:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <5DD9E5BAB7AD4739B8F3106D5275C8E6@HPE250f>
References: <5DD9E5BAB7AD4739B8F3106D5275C8E6@HPE250f>
Message-ID: <338666853.487034.1414339520911.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

It would be a nice Enhancement but as I see it it should just be for the Band Edges.

Incentive to Upgrade ;)




      From: Bruce Beford <beford at myfairpoint.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
   
> Alan:
> Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a 
> band. 
> Brian KD0HII

It only does this when you try to transmit beyond the band edge. I believe
what Alan (an others) have asked for, is a beep when tuning the VFO beyond a
band edge, while receiving.

This has been discussed many times in the past. Some people want it for
their particular country's band plan, other for their particular license
class. I hope we don't get into another drawn-out debate over this (again).

Bruce N1RX




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From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Sun Oct 26 12:11:18 2014
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544C41F6.5080004@socal.rr.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<FF228F83DDCA4B52BDE4444205516321@Paramount>	<544BEC00.80602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<544C41F6.5080004@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <544D1D26.3030103@mediacombb.net>

You are correct.
It's been around longer than USB on laptops and you could get PCMCIA 
cards for just about everything.
Ethernet, 56K modems, serial port, "Air Cards" (cell phones for your 
laptop), etc....
With that said I don't use laptops. They're slow compared to a desktop, 
they're comparatively expensive compared to desktops, they're fragile 
and almost impossible for average computer user to repair.

I use desktops and I build my own. The ultimate "no solder kit".
Each one of mine has three RS-232 ports. One is a dongle from the RS-232 
header on the motherboard. The mobo manufacturers haven't abandoned 
RS-232...they just don't supply the 9 pin port anymore. Each one of mine 
has an PCI-1X expansion card with two ports. Four port cards are available.

I don't have to dork around with adapters and try to keep track of who 
has counterfeit chips and who doesn't and which version of the drivers 
work with which version of the chips. One very good reason for Elecraft 
to not just walk away but RUN away from including USB ports on their 
products.

I do have one USB adapter.... for programming my Chinese handhelds with 
CHIRP. I paid more for an FTDI chip set.

On 10/25/2014 7:36 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> My impression is that PCMCIA aka PC Card, I think, went away some 
> years ago. None of my three laptops has that feature.
>
> Phil W7OX

-- R. Kevin Stover
AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441

From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 14:44:11 2014
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:44:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>
Message-ID: <CCrGJgF7DUTUFwT+@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

In a recent message, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> writes
So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper.

This has been discussed many times, Alan; look back though the archives
and you will find them.  The problem is that we don't all share the same
band edges. 160m, 80m, 60, 40m, 2m, among others in the UK are different
from those in the USA. If we had the USA band edges we would certainly
have the risk of operating outside our bands.

Surely, with the clear display of the K3 and a copy of our licence
document by our side, most of us have sufficient nous to keep within our
bands. Eventually, you will learn what the band edges are.

73 de David G4DMP

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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 26 14:51:00 2014
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <544D4294.4020001@coho.net>

Good Afternoon,
    It is difficult to remember just how dry it was only a few weeks 
ago.  Rain has ceased at times but almost exclusively at night.  
However, the forest is glowing green with all the moss coming back to 
life.  The odd vine maple adds a little red to the mix.

    The sun has been quite active this week with current SFU at 219.  
Oddly the flares are not throwing CMEs at earth.  One hour communication 
black outs have been common this week followed by great propagation with 
low noise.

Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 15:10:45 2014
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <CCrGJgF7DUTUFwT+@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>
	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>
	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>
	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>
	<CCrGJgF7DUTUFwT+@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1CB=G7H+jZWbVGBvxe7D7F6dJPAPr42gV+kCGZ+fOY5w@mail.gmail.com>

All been discussed before.

A far better place to put band-edge beepers would be in a logging program,
where various files with the myriad allocation schemes could be input by
the user to match that particular user's country, license class and mode,
etc. The outside allocation warning could include flashing lights,
disrespectful remarks, and a tattle-tail email sent to your mother.

This would be much easier to keep up than anything kept in firmware, with
memory restraints from ten years ago. Need to leave the K3's memory for
things that *must* be in the K3.

73, Guy K2AV


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:44 PM, David G4DMP <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

> In a recent message, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> writes
> So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper.
>
> This has been discussed many times, Alan; look back though the archives
> and you will find them.  The problem is that we don't all share the same
> band edges. 160m, 80m, 60, 40m, 2m, among others in the UK are different
> from those in the USA. If we had the USA band edges we would certainly
> have the risk of operating outside our bands.
>
> Surely, with the clear display of the K3 and a copy of our licence
> document by our side, most of us have sufficient nous to keep within our
> bands. Eventually, you will learn what the band edges are.
>
> 73 de David G4DMP
>
> --
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From w0sz at comcast.net  Sun Oct 26 15:31:51 2014
From: w0sz at comcast.net (zumbruns)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:31:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] WANTED: NOISE BLANKER P3SVGA
In-Reply-To: <627893246.3090849.1414351803970.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1985595711.3091596.1414351911939.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Hi all.? I sure would like to see the promised noise blanker for the P3SVGA option implemented. I don't know how many of you are in noisy urban environments but I am and the P3SVGA upgrade is long overdue.? 73, Steve W0SZ 

From w4jbb at charter.net  Sun Oct 26 17:00:01 2014
From: w4jbb at charter.net (Joel Black)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:00:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
In-Reply-To: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
References: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net>
Message-ID: <544D60D1.7000102@charter.net>

Thanks for the help. I believe it was K3_EZ that was the software. I 
have downloaded it from one of the provided links.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 10/26/14, 9:16 AM, Joel Black wrote:
> Several years back, there was a freely available piece of software 
> that would do several things with the K3. One of those things was that 
> it would run through and give you an SWR bandwidth in a text file.
>
> If memory serves, the icon had a yellow background with "K3" on it.
>
> Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you know the name of the 
> software and from where I might get a copy?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB
>
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From jim at n7us.net  Sun Oct 26 17:03:28 2014
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:03:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Software
In-Reply-To: <544D60D1.7000102@charter.net>
References: <544D0253.5080507@charter.net> <544D60D1.7000102@charter.net>
Message-ID: <053e01cff160$4b0ea880$e12bf980$@net>

I couldn't get the TX/RX equalizer tab to work in the most recent version,
but it does in the earlier ones.

73, Jim N7US



-----Original Message-----

Thanks for the help. I believe it was K3_EZ that was the software. I have
downloaded it from one of the provided links.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 10/26/14, 9:16 AM, Joel Black wrote:
> Several years back, there was a freely available piece of software 
> that would do several things with the K3. One of those things was that 
> it would run through and give you an SWR bandwidth in a text file.
>
> If memory serves, the icon had a yellow background with "K3" on it.
>
> Does that ring a bell with anyone? If so, do you know the name of the 
> software and from where I might get a copy?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB



From gordisht at me.com  Sun Oct 26 17:14:29 2014
From: gordisht at me.com (Timothy Gordish)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
Message-ID: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>

I have several microphones on hand and wondering if any will work with my soon to be order KX3.

My preference is a Heil Pro-Set Plus which has two crystal elements and a phase reverse switch.  By far the most comfortable headset I have ever use.  Can I use these with an appropriate adapter?

Then I have a Yaesu HT speaker mic with the correct 4 conductor connector used with a VX-5.

Then I have a headset with the same connector which I used with a HP netbook.  Cheep but sufficient.

Will any of these work, or should I just order the Elecraft hand mike?

73 de Tim
AD7AN

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Oct 26 18:09:57 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:09:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544D07D0.6060400@socal.rr.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<544CBC9F.8090004@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<544D07D0.6060400@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <766AC131-BA87-4D7E-9128-DCC562CB3A20@wunderwood.org>

There is a difference between obeying the law and enforcing the law. We all have an obligation to obey the law. We might not have a right enforce it.

Think about someone driving 55 mph in the fast lane because they want to enforce the law. This is not a perfect analogy because there are are also laws about letting faster traffic pass, but it is a useful thought experiment.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I agree and disagree.
> 
>> vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. Behringer established a reputation for doing that a decade or so ago, and the pro audio community condemned them (as did at least one court). 
> Yes they should be condemned and punished.
>> Those who buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors should not be surprised when it turns out to be stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial interface cables of known good quality. The real stuff usually does cost more than junk. 
> Punishing unknowing customers -- and most will not know they bought items with these problems, since vendors of good repute occasionally make mistakes and most of us cannot track the source of each chip in a product -- is just plain wrong-headed of FTDI. May they suffer the consequences to their reputation.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Oct 26 18:45:40 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Kyle N4NSS via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Want KX3
Message-ID: <1414363540.65173.YahooMailNeo@web125203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



My friend Ray N4EAT wants a KX3.  727-345-0711 or  n4eat at yahoo.com 
73-----------------------
Kyle N4NSS
Enjoy the Magic of HF Radio
It's just not a hobby, it's an adventure.

From gordisht at me.com  Sun Oct 26 19:38:13 2014
From: gordisht at me.com (Timothy Gordish)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:38:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <D52AD3C0-F0E0-420A-815E-4856FEE69E98@verizon.net>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>
	<D52AD3C0-F0E0-420A-815E-4856FEE69E98@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <72B4CF63-EDF5-4C95-BD4D-1F06D30E40F9@me.com>

Hmmm?.

For my operating needs I think I will just get the mike from Elecraft.  I would interested in knowing if anyone else uses the Heil headset with any luck.

I am looking forward to using my Bencher Hexkey to send PSK.  That sounds like a real hoot.

> On Oct 26, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> HI Tim:
> 
> I'm sure you could get at least one of those mics to work, with appropriate connector.  I didn't realize that Heil had a crystal element in one of their units... I thought they were dynamic.  In any event, you likely can treat it as dynamic (no DC bias needed).  The Yaesu mic may not have the proper pin-out, but it would work if re-wired.  And the netbook headset might work, too, but you would have to use the XMIT button on the front panel or VOX... (or wire up a PTT gizmo).
> 
> And, if all else fails, work a little CW, RTTY, or PSK31 with the KX3 while you wait for a Elecraft mic to arrive.  :)
> 
> FWIW, I ordered the mic with my KX3... and added other items (paddle, filter, ATU) afterward.  BTW... dollar for dollar, the ATU is a great option to have... it's a superb tuner.  If I had to pick just one option to have, the ATU would be it.
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 


From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 19:51:53 2014
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:51:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <72B4CF63-EDF5-4C95-BD4D-1F06D30E40F9@me.com>
References: <72B4CF63-EDF5-4C95-BD4D-1F06D30E40F9@me.com>
Message-ID: <544D8919.8040306@nycap.rr.com>

Take a look at the last paragraph of the following: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg155203.html

I am still happy with the mod I made and use the mic daily - always 
getting great reports.

Bill W2BLC K-Line :)

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 19:58:08 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <72B4CF63-EDF5-4C95-BD4D-1F06D30E40F9@me.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>	<D52AD3C0-F0E0-420A-815E-4856FEE69E98@verizon.net>
	<72B4CF63-EDF5-4C95-BD4D-1F06D30E40F9@me.com>
Message-ID: <544D8A90.8050803@socal.rr.com>

I think that's a wise choice, Tim.  If you look 
back into older reflector messages some have used 
the mic-earphone combos successfully (e.g., the 
Yamaha CM500) successfully. But getting the PTT 
set up takes some fiddling and with the Elecraft 
KX3 mic you're ready to go out of the box.

Phil W7OX

On 10/26/14 4:38 PM, Timothy Gordish wrote:
> Hmmm?.
>
> For my operating needs I think I will just get the mike from Elecraft.  I would interested in knowing if anyone else uses the Heil headset with any luck.
>
> I am looking forward to using my Bencher Hexkey to send PSK.  That sounds like a real hoot.
>
>> On Oct 26, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> HI Tim:
>>
>> I'm sure you could get at least one of those mics to work, with appropriate connector.  I didn't realize that Heil had a crystal element in one of their units... I thought they were dynamic.  In any event, you likely can treat it as dynamic (no DC bias needed).  The Yaesu mic may not have the proper pin-out, but it would work if re-wired.  And the netbook headset might work, too, but you would have to use the XMIT button on the front panel or VOX... (or wire up a PTT gizmo).
>>
>> And, if all else fails, work a little CW, RTTY, or PSK31 with the KX3 while you wait for a Elecraft mic to arrive.  :)
>>
>> FWIW, I ordered the mic with my KX3... and added other items (paddle, filter, ATU) afterward.  BTW... dollar for dollar, the ATU is a great option to have... it's a superb tuner.  If I had to pick just one option to have, the ATU would be it.
>>
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 26 21:08:14 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:08:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>
Message-ID: <544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>

Tim,

You can use many headsets and microphones with the KX3 - *IF* you are 
willing to build an adapter.
I have my homebrew adapter for the CM500 headset that works just fine, 
but if you are not able/willing to build your own adapter, order the 
Elecraft MH3 microphone - it works just fine.

Computer type microphones and headsets can be made to work, but because 
the tip and ring are connected together, there is some special 
considerations to be had when choosing the bias - they work OK with bias 
turned off, but then will be using the source for digital voltage in the 
K3 to bias the microphone which can cause noise in the signal.  While it 
will work, a proper adapter will provide better quality results.  That 
is why I built the adapter for my CM500.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/26/2014 5:14 PM, Timothy Gordish wrote:
> I have several microphones on hand and wondering if any will work with my soon to be order KX3.
>
> My preference is a Heil Pro-Set Plus which has two crystal elements and a phase reverse switch.  By far the most comfortable headset I have ever use.  Can I use these with an appropriate adapter?
>
> Then I have a Yaesu HT speaker mic with the correct 4 conductor connector used with a VX-5.
>
> Then I have a headset with the same connector which I used with a HP netbook.  Cheep but sufficient.
>
> Will any of these work, or should I just order the Elecraft hand mike?
>
>


From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Oct 26 22:18:40 2014
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:18:40 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K2/10 - price reduction
In-Reply-To: <1414331089.21413.YahooMailNeo@web193505.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <1414331089.21413.YahooMailNeo@web193505.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1414376320.94578.YahooMailNeo@web193506.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

Hello Group,

My colleague agreed to further reduce the price to USD900 inclusive of shipping by air parcel post to major cities.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 

________________________________
 ???? Johnny Siu <vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk>
???? Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
??(CC)? "elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com> 
????? 2014?10?26? (??) 9:44 PM
??? FS: K2/10
  


Hello Elecrafters,

A local ham, who does not know much English, needs to sell his K2 s/n 42xx to raise fund due to family issues.  This K2 was built by me and consists of:

K2 basic HF transceiver kit
KSB2 SSB module
KNB2 noise blanker
KAT2 antenna tuning unit
KDSP2 dsp unit
KBT2 - battery bracket (without battery)
K160RX - 160m + 2nd RX ant

Total current price = USD1520 + shipping

I am selling the K2 on behalf of the local ham.  The price is USD1000 including shipping by air parcel post to major countries and cites.  Payment can be done by paypal and wire transfers.  We can share the fees 50/50.

The rig has been little used and in non-smoking envirnoment.  Photos are available upon request.  If interested or ask questions, please contact me off-the-list.

73

Johnny VR2XMC

From elecraft at g4fre.com  Mon Oct 27 04:47:30 2014
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:47:30 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO IND in the KX3?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17468.1414318475.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.17468.1414318475.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <003201cff1c2$a5304ff0$ef90efd0$@com>

I found similar at GW0FRE. The kx3 HAD to have an external BPF but was still
outperformed on the band by my IC706mkIIG which didn't need one. I now use
the KX3 with a 30m IF Xverter which works fine

Dave

WW2R

Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: KB5NJD <jlangridge at sbcglobal.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VFO IND in the KX3?
Message-ID: <1414281712566-7594191.post at n2.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thanks Wayne.  I have an RX converter I can put in line that ports to 80m
also. I will just have to create the relay logic for RX/TX but I have all
the info and materials I need to do that.

Interestingly enough, the RX seems "ok" down there but I have outboard
filters in place.  Sensitivity is down a bit but its not a show stopper, or
it has not been so far.  More real time evaluation is in order.

thanks again for the clarification.  I am very happy with the KX3 and can
apply my workaround to make this fill my need.

73!

John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ





From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 06:59:32 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:59:32 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] GREAT service
Message-ID: <72F9DEFA81FF4554BB1298C50A064DA8@Paramount>

Just a public note to thank the guys at Elecraft for their legendary service.

I recently requested a new 2nd VFO knob to replace the one that had cracked on my newly acquired K3.

The part arrived today and has been duly fitted.

Even allowing for USPS/UKPS delays in shipping, it arrived very quickly and has reinforced my belief in a good product supplied by a great company.

Thanks guys. 

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Oct 27 08:49:30 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:49:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] GREAT service
In-Reply-To: <72F9DEFA81FF4554BB1298C50A064DA8@Paramount>
References: <72F9DEFA81FF4554BB1298C50A064DA8@Paramount>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts57F3UtUfB7LuVJuCm=yyjxo0VtXw+HigRp79DARkgtBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, that is them.

The just sent me a replacement RS232 board for my KPA500 installed on my
remote base.  This was done 'on spec' as I had a few small issues.

The KPA500 ran flat out for CQWW without a glitch.

Money well spent!

mike va3mw

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:59 AM, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:

> Just a public note to thank the guys at Elecraft for their legendary
> service.
>
> I recently requested a new 2nd VFO knob to replace the one that had
> cracked on my newly acquired K3.
>
> The part arrived today and has been duly fitted.
>
> Even allowing for USPS/UKPS delays in shipping, it arrived very quickly
> and has reinforced my belief in a good product supplied by a great company.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
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From ormandj at corenode.com  Mon Oct 27 12:37:10 2014
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone have a beginners guide to utilizing roofing
	filters on the KX3?
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45rHiwqFE6nXzw6FvkF845f5VTY-8LjNz8-7xH+XfCbVfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been using primarily digital modes on my KX3, but have started moving
into SSB as well. I've got the roofing filters installed in my KX3, and
have used them a little when the contesting has gotten out of hand and
picking out a signal has been difficult. Aside from that, I'm curious how
people are using roofing filters/if anybody has written up something on
when/how to use these kinds of filters. I'm learning by experimentation
(this is why I'm an amateur radio enthusiast) but would love to have some
starting points to run with.

Now that I have the PX3, I've been experimenting with adjusting pbt i/ii to
a narrow bandwidth for psk31, but haven't had a lot of opportunity to see
how much difference/if any when it comes to that kind of operation. I'm
primarily operating digital (Olivia/Contestia when I can; mainly psk31 due
to popularity) but have started to branch into SSB. It seems like I may
never use these filters on SSB, but I thought I might ask when it would be
useful/how to utilize these in case I'm missing something.

CW is on the list, and from what I can tell, the filters might be well
suited for that, I just need to learn to hear/speak code much better before
I can take advantage of that.

Thanks,
David

From ormandj at corenode.com  Mon Oct 27 12:41:12 2014
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:41:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 on KX3/PX3 + ref/scale on PX3
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45owxTphy+H4B=v4zMj-ec1uqRVyFPooHyfO4mAnLKakng@mail.gmail.com>

When using the PX3 panadapter, should I be attempting to select the center
of a psk31 communication on the waterfall, or picking the low end or high
end depending on band? My text decode has been variable so far, and I've
not been able to figure out why. Sometimes, I'm tuned at the center of the
transmission, and I get a lot of 'E' characters, sometimes I get full
decode. Sometimes I tune at the bottom of the transmission on 20m, and get
a clean decode, sometimes nothing. I haven't figured out what I'm doing
right/wrong that drives clean decoding.

I'm also unsure how to adjust ref/scale appropriately. If anybody has any
tips/rules of thumb, they would be very much appreciated. You'll have to
excuse my ignorance, I'm a new operator and have spent most of my time
building/working on new antennas. I'm just now getting around to optimizing
the transceiver side of things.

Thank you,
David

From ormandj at corenode.com  Mon Oct 27 12:46:44 2014
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes other than PSK31
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45rEvmNsn+CMO2jOE7Ht2XLjJMGQ7T=W7RBG9WJyVHDt9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any plans to implement Olivia/Contestia into the KX3? I'm finding
these digital modes are wonderful when using sub-optimal antennas or in a
noisy location to conduct rag-chews, and I've love to be able to utilize
these when out camping to talk with friends since I'm running QRP, without
a computer. It would be amazing to have this capability built-in (one of
the reasons I'm learning code is to ditch the laptop). Being able to
converse even below the noise floor is mind-boggling to me, and I'd love to
see this implementing in my radio (KX3) or the PX3.

Thanks,
David

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 27 13:25:48 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] VFO IND in the KX3?
In-Reply-To: <003201cff1c2$a5304ff0$ef90efd0$@com>
References: <mailman.17468.1414318475.11568.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<003201cff1c2$a5304ff0$ef90efd0$@com>
Message-ID: <D98B5C50-DF71-4F80-8136-9CCB39D1C06E@elecraft.com>

Hi Dave,

To resurrect a technical description about LF-band receive I posted earlier this year:

* * *

The KX3 does not have filtering specifically for the lower portion of the AM radio band. It is intended primarily as a ham-band transceiver, and covers nearly the entire SWL range. But to completely eliminate low AM-band 3rd-overtone LO images such as the one you're hearing would require at least two and possibly three more filters (more on that below). Complicating this is the high-pass filter in the T/R switch, which is intended to protect the PIN diodes from very strong signals below 1 MHz or so. This attenuates low-AM-band signals. (To quote the KX3 product brochure on our web site: "...also covers 0.31 - 1.5 MHz with reduced sensitivity?.)

The KXAT3 ATU provides some additional filtering for the lower AM range when correctly configured. But at 500 kHz, the LO still isn't filtered enough to eliminate strong signals.

* * *

The IC706mkIIG probably uses a keying relay rather than PIN diodes in the main T/R path.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:47 AM, Dave <elecraft at g4fre.com> wrote:

> I found similar at GW0FRE. The kx3 HAD to have an external BPF but was still
> outperformed on the band by my IC706mkIIG which didn't need one. I now use
> the KX3 with a 30m IF Xverter which works fine
> 
> Dave
> 
> WW2R




From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 14:09:07 2014
From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 18:09:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1CB=G7H+jZWbVGBvxe7D7F6dJPAPr42gV+kCGZ+fOY5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount>	<544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com>	<CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com>	<CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com>	<544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>	<544CBFFE.50304@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<D23AD807A6394BC085D5136E2FB3A3F4@Paramount>	<CCrGJgF7DUTUFwT+@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
	<CANckpc1CB=G7H+jZWbVGBvxe7D7F6dJPAPr42gV+kCGZ+fOY5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544E8A43.4050405@g3tct.co.uk>

On 19:59, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> [snip]
> The outside allocation warning could include flashing lights,
> disrespectful remarks, and a tattle-tail email sent to your mother.
>
>    
This has to have the award for funniest remark this month!  So far....

73
Graham

From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct 27 15:01:53 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:01:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM Classic, MH MK2R+ and K3
In-Reply-To: <4339BCEC1ABF4572A33DB4813686B75B@MiltVostro2010>
References: <74bb6.676095f6.417b0fa4@aol.com>
	<4339BCEC1ABF4572A33DB4813686B75B@MiltVostro2010>
Message-ID: <544E96A1.5070101@subich.com>


Check the audio switching tab in Router and make sure the correct
sound card (Audio Codec) is selected.  Then make sure you have selected
Speaker (USB Audio CODEC) as the output device in N1MM Logger.

Example configurations for both N1MM Logger (classic) and N1MM Logger+
are available in the MK2R+ section of www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-24 10:28 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote:
> This is late, but perhaps someone can provide me with a clue.
>
> I loaded a new log for the CQWWSSB and started doing check outs on my
> station.  Everything is FB with the exception of the voice playback.
>
> All settings are the same, and have not changed since last using this
> combo of N1MM Classic and the MicroHam MK 2R++.  I am using the same
> .wav files I used last year for this event.
>
> When the F keys are selected, the transmit works OK and runs for the
> length of time of the audio files, whichever one is selected.
>
> However, there is no audio.  The microphone audio is OK through the MK 2R+.
>
> Anyone have any idea of why the audio would not be present from the .wav
> files even though the files are being selected and the TX keys for the
> length of each file?
>
> Any ideas of what to look for would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Milt, N5IA, operator of N7GP
>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct 27 15:02:22 2014
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:02:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
Message-ID: <544E96BE.802@subich.com>



FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified
the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with
FTDI's drivers.  The did not "steal" or "destroy" the device - only
mark it as a fraud.  The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or
obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI
device.

> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.

To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a
small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go)
producer.  Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the
stolen designs to those using the stolen designs.

> To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling
> stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You
> confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts,
> keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times.

You're wrong again.  If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with
counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors
for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency.
You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate
currency.  The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the
Treasury where it will be destroyed.  You will be lucky if you do not
hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> Joe.
>
> Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-)
>
> Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate
> and disable their driver.
>
> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your
> government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you
> don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and
> you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at
> all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the
> currency and say nothing.
>
> If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to
> approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting
> stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to
> stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because
> there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and
> money before principles! :-(
>
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>
> Good grief......
>
> No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.
>
> Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?
>
> Gary
> Vk1ZZ
> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
> On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than
>>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>>
>>
>> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you
>> received it from someone else?  ... or should you be allowed to
>> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole
>> it?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 27 15:07:15 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In-Reply-To: <544E96BE.802@subich.com>
References: <3D9F055A0C55429F93A136D2915A17C4@Paramount><544BA2D8.8030408@nycap.rr.com><CA+33ts53d+o4T-aA2jB4J=ihjGyL7kn6aAydCPUzarTZzB7d4A@mail.gmail.com><CA+MFBaH72-k2MnFQ9uukZcsG+KMnqzHk1wQ69w7CyweCjU_sGw@mail.gmail.com><544C5741.6080508@subich.com>	<CA+MFBaFFzuR-xr5RvwWQKqfKnEuBhXrEn4jGrppgXC9rZHbigg@mail.gmail.com>	<C89BE7EECAB54B938A1C5C2DDF84CEDB@Paramount>
	<544E96BE.802@subich.com>
Message-ID: <544E97E3.9020702@elecraft.com>

Folks - Here is not the place to argue about topics like this.

End of thread.

73,

Eric
List moderator, when required..
elecraft.com

On 10/27/2014 12:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>
> FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified
> the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with
> FTDI's drivers.  The did not "steal" or "destroy" the device - only
> mark it as a fraud.  The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or
> obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI
> device.
>
>> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped.
>
> To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a
> small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go)
> producer.  Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the
> stolen designs to those using the stolen designs.
>
>> To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling
>> stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You
>> confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts,
>> keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times.
>
> You're wrong again.  If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with
> counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors
> for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency.
> You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate
> currency.  The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the
> Treasury where it will be destroyed.  You will be lucky if you do not
> hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Joe.
>>
>> Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-)
>>
>> Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate
>> and disable their driver.
>>
>> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your
>> government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you
>> don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and
>> you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at
>> all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the
>> currency and say nothing.
>>
>> If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to
>> approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting
>> stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to
>> stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because
>> there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and
>> money before principles! :-(
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM
>> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
>> Cc: Elecraft List
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
>>
>> Good grief......
>>
>> No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess.
>>
>> Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know?
>>
>> Gary
>> Vk1ZZ
>> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
>> On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than
>>>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you
>>> received it from someone else?  ... or should you be allowed to
>>> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole
>>> it?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
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From dezrat at outlook.com  Mon Oct 27 15:13:16 2014
From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:13:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ACOM 2000A and Elecraft K3
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>

I think I have figured out the connection issues when using a K3 with
an ACOM 2000A.  I wrote up the following mini-tutorial to try to
clarify what is, to me, a confusing situation. 

Please read it and let me know if I have made any errors and whether
you find it helpful.

If you find it helpful, feel free to copy and distribute any way you
wish. 

Thank you,

73, Bill W6WRT

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


When operating an ACOM 2000A with an Elecraft K3, there are two
possible modes of frequency control. Each mode requires a different
cable. 

When a PC is NOT connected: 

Use a cable like that shown in figure 7.6 of the ACOM 2000A manual.
You should set the K3 AUTOINF menu option to "1". In this mode the
2000A will poll the K3 for band data and will change bands
accordingly. The K3 will also send band data when you manually change
bands on the K3. 

When a PC IS connected:  

Use the cable shown in figure 7.2 in the 2000A manual. You should set
the K3 AUTOINF menu option to "nor".  Note that this cable does NOT
have the TXD wire going to the ACOM 2000A, but it does have the TXD
wire running between the legs of the Y connector. This cable can be
either a single cable terminating in two DB-9 connectors or it can be
a single cable with a "Y" adaptor connected at the DB-9 end. In either
case, it must be the electrical equivalent of figure 7.2.  In this
mode, the ACOM 2000A gets band data information ONLY from the logging
program, not from the K3. If you close the logging program, the ACOM
2000A will NOT follow band changes from the K3. You can still do band
changes by sending a "dit" as explained in the ACOM 2000A manual. 

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Oct 27 16:05:02 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>
	<544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>

Let me add my 2 cents.

I heard so much crap audio this weekend, that all I can recommend is that
you use a Mic element purpose designed for the job of SSB QRP
communications.  I have recordings of good and bad examples that I will
assemble into something useful at some point.

I heard guys with big wide signals that I could not understand who were
running lots of power.  I also worked many QRP guys with amazing audio that
was correctly shaped for SSB.  Don't kid yourself, that $2 computer mic,
while it sounds ok locally doesn't cut it when you need your signal to be
understood.   This is not about FM full range audio.  This is about being
heard and understood.

Bob Heil spent lots of time designing the right mic element for SSB
communications.  He did this with input from Bell Labs.   Leo Laporte did a
great interview with Bob where he describes why he did it.

Since you asked, my choice every time is the HC5 with the right cables.
Keep a close eye on your ALC settings too.  Your KX3 will work just fine
and you will be heard.

73, Mike va3mw


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Tim,
>
> You can use many headsets and microphones with the KX3 - *IF* you are
> willing to build an adapter.
> I have my homebrew adapter for the CM500 headset that works just fine, but
> if you are not able/willing to build your own adapter, order the Elecraft
> MH3 microphone - it works just fine.
>
> Computer type microphones and headsets can be made to work, but because
> the tip and ring are connected together, there is some special
> considerations to be had when choosing the bias - they work OK with bias
> turned off, but then will be using the source for digital voltage in the K3
> to bias the microphone which can cause noise in the signal.  While it will
> work, a proper adapter will provide better quality results.  That is why I
> built the adapter for my CM500.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/26/2014 5:14 PM, Timothy Gordish wrote:
>
>> I have several microphones on hand and wondering if any will work with my
>> soon to be order KX3.
>>
>> My preference is a Heil Pro-Set Plus which has two crystal elements and a
>> phase reverse switch.  By far the most comfortable headset I have ever
>> use.  Can I use these with an appropriate adapter?
>>
>> Then I have a Yaesu HT speaker mic with the correct 4 conductor connector
>> used with a VX-5.
>>
>> Then I have a headset with the same connector which I used with a HP
>> netbook.  Cheep but sufficient.
>>
>> Will any of these work, or should I just order the Elecraft hand mike?
>>
>>
>>
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From k2ttt at optonline.net  Mon Oct 27 16:07:18 2014
From: k2ttt at optonline.net (Jay K2TTT)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:07:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and UFLYMIC
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001e01cff221$9c5df6c0$d519e440$@net>

Does anyone have experience with the "uflymic" and the K3
in regard to the EQ settings or any general comments on 'that device.

73

Jay (K2TTT(C6ATT) 






From val at vip.bg  Mon Oct 27 16:10:10 2014
From: val at vip.bg (Val)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:10:10 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] ACOM 2000A and Elecraft K3
References: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3879492556984EA2A930673AC40B8C5E@OFFICE>

Bill,

According to your description, AUTOINF=NOR is the right setting in 
both cases. Either the ACOM 2000A, or  PC will poll the K3, hence no 
need AUTOINF to be changed.

73, Val LZ1VB


>I think I have figured out the connection issues when using a K3 with
> an ACOM 2000A.  I wrote up the following mini-tutorial to try to
> clarify what is, to me, a confusing situation.
>
> Please read it and let me know if I have made any errors and whether
> you find it helpful.
>
> If you find it helpful, feel free to copy and distribute any way you
> wish.
>
> Thank you,
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> When operating an ACOM 2000A with an Elecraft K3, there are two
> possible modes of frequency control. Each mode requires a different
> cable.
>
> When a PC is NOT connected:
>
> Use a cable like that shown in figure 7.6 of the ACOM 2000A manual.
> You should set the K3 AUTOINF menu option to "1". In this mode the
> 2000A will poll the K3 for band data and will change bands
> accordingly. The K3 will also send band data when you manually 
> change
> bands on the K3.
>
> When a PC IS connected:
>
> Use the cable shown in figure 7.2 in the 2000A manual. You should 
> set
> the K3 AUTOINF menu option to "nor".  Note that this cable does NOT
> have the TXD wire going to the ACOM 2000A, but it does have the TXD
> wire running between the legs of the Y connector. This cable can be
> either a single cable terminating in two DB-9 connectors or it can 
> be
> a single cable with a "Y" adaptor connected at the DB-9 end. In 
> either
> case, it must be the electrical equivalent of figure 7.2.  In this
> mode, the ACOM 2000A gets band data information ONLY from the 
> logging
> program, not from the K3. If you close the logging program, the ACOM
> 2000A will NOT follow band changes from the K3. You can still do 
> band
> changes by sending a "dit" as explained in the ACOM 2000A manual.
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> 


From dezrat at outlook.com  Mon Oct 27 16:44:17 2014
From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:44:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ACOM 2000A and Elecraft K3
In-Reply-To: <3879492556984EA2A930673AC40B8C5E@OFFICE>
References: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>
	<3879492556984EA2A930673AC40B8C5E@OFFICE>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP16856CC3CCFA7BB37169486C09E0@phx.gbl>

------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:10:10 +0200, you wrote:

>Bill,
>
>According to your description, AUTOINF=NOR is the right setting in 
>both cases. Either the ACOM 2000A, or  PC will poll the K3, hence no 
>need AUTOINF to be changed.
>
>73, Val LZ1VB

REPLY:

Thank you, Val. I had tried it both ways and I thought the correct
setting was =1 but apparently I was mistaken. I will make the change. 

73, Bill W6WRT

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Oct 27 17:01:44 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Herman Pierce via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale, partial assembly
Message-ID: <1414443704.56363.YahooMailNeo@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 Pleas submit to list

I have a K2 for sale, serial # 7483.  New last Christmas, have built partially, to Part #2 of the RF board assembly manual.  All tests have came out positive.  Soldering is neatly and carefully done.  Included are a set of pre-wound torroids from Mychael and a heavier brass(black coated) tuning knob.  Have lost interest, reason for selling
Asking $700  
USA shipping only

H. Michael Pierce
KD8DVV

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Oct 27 18:59:11 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 18:59:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <544ec36b.48296b0a.4aaa.ffff90f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>
	<544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544ec36b.48296b0a.4aaa.ffff90f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4gvyb_g3c-QozF_TAU8292i2-0g5FMKyp5M3ehWQOTYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bill

Is this the one you are talking about?

file:///C:/Users/Mike/Downloads/FG-26163-000.pdf

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Bill NY9H <ny9h at arrl.net> wrote:

> and what do you think Bob Heil pays for the element in his imported
> stuff????
>   less than $ 2 ,,,
>
> Nothing the matter with buying Bob's stuff.
> I think you see that his elements are very similar to knowles capsules,
> which are actually manufactured in Il.
>
> do not forget that all elecraft sets can eq OUT the bottom end , and boost
> the
> upper mids like Bob  does with his stuff. Shure Bros products long preceded
> the hi end boost....  see  the 1978 literature,,,444
>
> Many years Shure rep ,  before that was  Sennheiser  & AKG representative.
>
> bill
>
>
>
> At 04:05 PM 10/27/2014, you wrote:
>
>> Let me add my 2 cents.
>>
>> I heard so much crap audio this weekend, that all I can recommend is that
>> you use a Mic element purpose designed for the job of SSB QRP
>> communications.  I have recordings of good and bad examples that I will
>> assemble into something useful at some point.
>>
>> I heard guys with big wide signals that I could not understand who were
>> running lots of power.  I also worked many QRP guys with amazing audio
>> that
>> was correctly shaped for SSB.  Don't kid yourself, that $2 computer mic,
>> while it sounds ok locally doesn't cut it when you need your signal to be
>> understood.   This is not about FM full range audio.  This is about being
>> heard and understood.
>>
>> Bob Heil spent lots of time designing the right mic element for SSB
>> communications.  He did this with input from Bell Labs.   Leo Laporte did
>> a
>> great interview with Bob where he describes why he did it.
>>
>> Since you asked, my choice every time is the HC5 with the right cables.
>> Keep a close eye on your ALC settings too.  Your KX3 will work just fine
>> and you will be heard.
>>
>> 73, Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Tim,
>> >
>> > You can use many headsets and microphones with the KX3 - *IF* you are
>> > willing to build an adapter.
>> > I have my homebrew adapter for the CM500 headset that works just fine,
>> but
>> > if you are not able/willing to build your own adapter, order the
>> Elecraft
>> > MH3 microphone - it works just fine.
>> >
>> > Computer type microphones and headsets can be made to work, but because
>> > the tip and ring are connected together, there is some special
>> > considerations to be had when choosing the bias - they work OK with bias
>> > turned off, but then will be using the source for digital voltage in
>> the K3
>> > to bias the microphone which can cause noise in the signal.  While it
>> will
>> > work, a proper adapter will provide better quality results.  That is
>> why I
>> > built the adapter for my CM500.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Don W3FPR
>> >
>> > On 10/26/2014 5:14 PM, Timothy Gordish wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have several microphones on hand and wondering if any will work with
>> my
>> >> soon to be order KX3.
>> >>
>> >> My preference is a Heil Pro-Set Plus which has two crystal elements
>> and a
>> >> phase reverse switch.  By far the most comfortable headset I have ever
>> >> use.  Can I use these with an appropriate adapter?
>> >>
>> >> Then I have a Yaesu HT speaker mic with the correct 4 conductor
>> connector
>> >> used with a VX-5.
>> >>
>> >> Then I have a headset with the same connector which I used with a HP
>> >> netbook.  Cheep but sufficient.
>> >>
>> >> Will any of these work, or should I just order the Elecraft hand mike?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > ______________________________________________________________
>> > Elecraft mailing list
>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> >
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>> > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net
>> >
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 27 20:11:56 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:11:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>	<544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544EDF4C.10304@embarqmail.com>

Yes, there are a lot of bad SSB signals on the air - excessive 
compression and excessive mic gain leading to splatter and 
unintelligible signals.

With the K3 and KX3 TX EQ, there is no need to be particular about the 
microphone.  The K3 and KX3 have the means to make most any microphone 
sound good on the air.

For communications quality, set the first two bands of the TX EQ to 
minimum to reduce the bass response.  reduce the 3rd band by 6 to 8 dB.  
If your microphone does not have the  high end boost, set the upper two 
bands to +1 to +3 dB and you will have good sounding communications audio.

Yes, I do have a microphone with the Heil HC5 element, and I have an 
Elecraft MH2, and I have an Astatic D104 with an FET in the base to 
change it to a low impedance.  I typically use the D104 with no rise in 
the high end (because it is present in the mic element), but I do cut 
the low end as I have indicated.  Those lows add nothing to the 
communications effectiveness and only burn up power.

On the K3, you can use TX TEST and record the monitor to see how you 
will sound on the air.

When I do use my CM-500, I boost the two high bands to +3 dB, but the 
other mics already have the high end boost built in.

Unfortunately, the Heil elements are no longer available as separate 
products and Heil has settled on the low output HC6 as his element of 
choice for his microphones (too much bass for my tastes). Besides, Heil 
products are grossly overpriced IMHO, and I do not favor ESSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2014 4:05 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Let me add my 2 cents.
>
> I heard so much crap audio this weekend, that all I can recommend is that
> you use a Mic element purpose designed for the job of SSB QRP
> communications.  I have recordings of good and bad examples that I will
> assemble into something useful at some point.
>
> I heard guys with big wide signals that I could not understand who were
> running lots of power.  I also worked many QRP guys with amazing audio that
> was correctly shaped for SSB.  Don't kid yourself, that $2 computer mic,
> while it sounds ok locally doesn't cut it when you need your signal to be
> understood.   This is not about FM full range audio.  This is about being
> heard and understood.
>
> Bob Heil spent lots of time designing the right mic element for SSB
> communications.  He did this with input from Bell Labs.   Leo Laporte did a
> great interview with Bob where he describes why he did it.
>
> Since you asked, my choice every time is the HC5 with the right cables.
> Keep a close eye on your ALC settings too.  Your KX3 will work just fine
> and you will be heard.
>
> 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 27 20:22:44 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ACOM 2000A and Elecraft K3
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU436-SMTP17E210B7679E05F40DF267C09E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <544EE1D4.8040002@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Setting AUTOINF to "1" the K3 will report any changes over the RS-232 
bus - this is not polling - it is information send by the K3 without any 
polling requests.
I don't know the ACOM 2000A capabilities, but if it does poll the K3 for 
information, the proper setting for the K3 is AUTOINF = nor.

Yes, when a logging program is involved, the logger will poll the K3 for 
information, and the ACOM may 'listen in' and respond to band changes, 
etc.  In that case, the K3 should be set to AUTOINF = NOR.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2014 3:13 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> I think I have figured out the connection issues when using a K3 with
> an ACOM 2000A.  I wrote up the following mini-tutorial to try to
> clarify what is, to me, a confusing situation.
>
> Please read it and let me know if I have made any errors and whether
> you find it helpful.
>
> If you find it helpful, feel free to copy and distribute any way you
> wish.
>
> Thank you,
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> When operating an ACOM 2000A with an Elecraft K3, there are two
> possible modes of frequency control. Each mode requires a different
> cable.
>
> When a PC is NOT connected:
>
> Use a cable like that shown in figure 7.6 of the ACOM 2000A manual.
> You should set the K3 AUTOINF menu option to "1". In this mode the
> 2000A will poll the K3 for band data and will change bands
> accordingly. The K3 will also send band data when you manually change
> bands on the K3.
>
> When a PC IS connected:
>
> Use the cable shown in figure 7.2 in the 2000A manual. You should set
> the K3 AUTOINF menu option to "nor".  Note that this cable does NOT
> have the TXD wire going to the ACOM 2000A, but it does have the TXD
> wire running between the legs of the Y connector. This cable can be
> either a single cable terminating in two DB-9 connectors or it can be
> a single cable with a "Y" adaptor connected at the DB-9 end. In either
> case, it must be the electrical equivalent of figure 7.2.  In this
> mode, the ACOM 2000A gets band data information ONLY from the logging
> program, not from the K3. If you close the logging program, the ACOM
> 2000A will NOT follow band changes from the K3. You can still do band
> changes by sending a "dit" as explained in the ACOM 2000A manual.
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From hms4 at Lehigh.EDU  Mon Oct 27 21:33:23 2014
From: hms4 at Lehigh.EDU (Howard Sherer)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K30 mini ticking sound
In-Reply-To: <544E97E3.9020702@elecraft.com>
References: <544E97E3.9020702@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <544EF263.3020203@lehigh.edu>

I have up dated my K3 to the latest Beta FW to cure the ticking sounds 
when using it with the K30 mini under remote control. The ticking still 
occurs, and I assume that I also have to up date the FW in the K30 mini 
as well?

How do you connect the K30 mini to the K3 util to allow for FW up dates. 
My K3 util dose not see my K3 0 mini using the supplied USB cable.

Howard AE3T


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 27 23:59:28 2014
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>	<544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544F14A0.8070104@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/27/2014 1:05 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I heard so much crap audio this weekend,

Didn't we all.

> that all I can recommend is that you use a Mic element purpose designed for the job of SSB QRP communications.

WRONG. The crap audio was almost universally due to cranking everything 
WAY past 11. K3 and KX3 will work fine with almost any decent mic that 
isn't "broke." :)  The only thing "purpose-designed" about mics sold for 
ham radio is the sales pitch and hype that goes with them to get you to 
spend three times what they are worth. :)

Also, the most important thing for any SSB station with a weak signal is 
to use about 10 dB of compression on peaks, use TXEQ to turn the three 
bottom octaves all the way down (-16 dB), turn the fourth octave down 
3-6 dB).Some mics benefit from a 3 dB boost on the highest band (3.2 
kHz). This advice is good for ALL competitive operation. And always be 
careful not to over drive the radio. Use just enough to get full 
modulation, and no more.

To set that 10 dB of compression, set the front panel display to show 
COMP in a bar graph when you're transmitting.

If you're operating from a fixed location (not backpacking, not mobile), 
it's hard to beat a Yamaha CM500. For mobile, you'll want something far 
less visible, and for backpacking, you'll want something a LOT smaller 
and lighter.

73, Jim K9YC

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Oct 28 00:49:53 2014
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:49:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <544F14A0.8070104@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>	<544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544F14A0.8070104@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <48171259-27BC-40A5-9E24-70C3439C0C8E@wunderwood.org>

I agree, though the CM500 isn?t that bad for backpacking, and I go lightweight.

A KX3 with batteries is very close to one kilogram. A wire antenna adds another 100-150g. The CM500 is 300g. Some earbuds (haven?t weighed them) and an Elecraft MH3 (138g) are lighter, but the difference isn?t a back-breaker. Maybe 1300g vs 1400g, about a 3.5 oz. difference.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 27, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 10/27/2014 1:05 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> I heard so much crap audio this weekend,
> 
> Didn't we all.
> 
>> that all I can recommend is that you use a Mic element purpose designed for the job of SSB QRP communications.
> 
> WRONG. The crap audio was almost universally due to cranking everything WAY past 11. K3 and KX3 will work fine with almost any decent mic that isn't "broke." :)  The only thing "purpose-designed" about mics sold for ham radio is the sales pitch and hype that goes with them to get you to spend three times what they are worth. :)
> 
> Also, the most important thing for any SSB station with a weak signal is to use about 10 dB of compression on peaks, use TXEQ to turn the three bottom octaves all the way down (-16 dB), turn the fourth octave down 3-6 dB).Some mics benefit from a 3 dB boost on the highest band (3.2 kHz). This advice is good for ALL competitive operation. And always be careful not to over drive the radio. Use just enough to get full modulation, and no more.
> 
> To set that 10 dB of compression, set the front panel display to show COMP in a bar graph when you're transmitting.
> 
> If you're operating from a fixed location (not backpacking, not mobile), it's hard to beat a Yamaha CM500. For mobile, you'll want something far less visible, and for backpacking, you'll want something a LOT smaller and lighter.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 02:03:54 2014
From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:03:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <544F14A0.8070104@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <507FABDA-C1E9-48D1-A9AA-ADA772BEC3D1@me.com>
	<544D9AFE.3050005@embarqmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4Tcv0K5g3N7_J-yYRRv=fPQy+G1snLQK+cLb9p0qojCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<544F14A0.8070104@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CABuWoS_=_+_A8gKMACDCpDbYAgBEvabYRNaQ4x2wvLZVi2fPPA@mail.gmail.com>

These SSB contests are indeed a joke!

Many signals are just terrible and as Jim K9YC says they are due to dumb
Ops maladjusting radio/amplifier settings NOT bad or unsuitable non
competitive  microphones.

The mentality appears to be Maximum power, legal or not and Maximum
bandwidth, splatter or not, the quality of the final signal, well... you
hear it and see it.

Why this message fails to get across I really don't know, but listening to
and watching the SSB contest melee is just, embarrassing.

However when you do hear a good Op with a well adjusted TX the signal is
outstanding, and I have to say most of the really good SSB signals do come
from the USA not Europe.

There should be something in contest rules to discourage or even outlaw the
sort of Loud and Dirty operation we hear on SSB, and not only in contests!

73, F5VJC



On 28 October 2014 04:59, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 10/27/2014 1:05 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> I heard so much crap audio this weekend,
>>
>
> Didn't we all.
>
>  that all I can recommend is that you use a Mic element purpose designed
>> for the job of SSB QRP communications.
>>
>
> WRONG. The crap audio was almost universally due to cranking everything
> WAY past 11. K3 and KX3 will work fine with almost any decent mic that
> isn't "broke." :)  The only thing "purpose-designed" about mics sold for
> ham radio is the sales pitch and hype that goes with them to get you to
> spend three times what they are worth. :)
>
> Also, the most important thing for any SSB station with a weak signal is
> to use about 10 dB of compression on peaks, use TXEQ to turn the three
> bottom octaves all the way down (-16 dB), turn the fourth octave down 3-6
> dB).Some mics benefit from a 3 dB boost on the highest band (3.2 kHz). This
> advice is good for ALL competitive operation. And always be careful not to
> over drive the radio. Use just enough to get full modulation, and no more.
>
> To set that 10 dB of compression, set the front panel display to show COMP
> in a bar graph when you're transmitting.
>
> If you're operating from a fixed location (not backpacking, not mobile),
> it's hard to beat a Yamaha CM500. For mobile, you'll want something far
> less visible, and for backpacking, you'll want something a LOT smaller and
> lighter.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Oct 28 03:23:13 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:23:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
Message-ID: <201410280723.s9S7NERo078521@ingra.acsalaska.net>

On my K3 I use a 15 year old Heil HM05 which was used with my FT-847 
before buying the K3.  The Red Kenwood mic cable was purchased as it 
has pin-compatible connector for the K3.

I bought the MH3 for my KX3.

I get great audio quality reports with both mics on both SSB and FM.
K3 settings MIC=20, CMP=20  (Heil desk mic)
KX3 settings MIC=25, CMP=11;  for FM MIC=65 (MH3)

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From dave at davesergeant.com  Tue Oct 28 05:51:25 2014
From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:51:25 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 PA Bias
In-Reply-To: <544A4ADD.16275.191878E@dave.davesergeant.com>
References: <544A2DEC.2307.1207978@dave.davesergeant.com>,
	<544A3C08.9000805@embarqmail.com>,
	<544A4ADD.16275.191878E@dave.davesergeant.com>
Message-ID: <544F671D.17337.B4F6FE@dave.davesergeant.com>

An update on my XV50.

Having failed to get the pa bias greater than around 500mA I decided to 
press ahead with the rest of the alignment. It is now basically working 
but only at the 5-10W level. If I increase the drive to 20W it 
effectively limits at that level, no more than 20W can be obtained and 
it is VERY flat topped on SSB. I assume this is because the pa is 
non-linear because of the incorrect bias. But it appears reasonably 
linear with the input attenuation R22 turned down to the lower power.

I also did the mod to my KAT2, changing the 47 ohm to 470 ohm - the 
power control on the K2 now works correctly.

I intend to leave it set at the 5-10W level and get some reports from 
locals - that is the sort of power I intend to use anyway.

I see there have been various similar postings on the reflector over 
the past few years with no real answers forthcoming. Looking at the 
datasheet of the RA30H0608M it is only specified down to 60MHz and the 
performance at 50MHz is totally unspecified. I suspect I, and others 
who have had these sort of issues, have devices at the edge of the spec 
and the only cure is to try a replacement, which really is pot luck.

73 Dave G3YMC

On 24 Oct 2014 at 13:49, Dave Sergeant wrote:

> R39 is correct (10k pot) as is R10 (100k) and all the measurements
> confirm this. The adjustment range, measured at pin 2 of the amplifier
> module, is 2.5-4.7V, also what is expected from the circuit. The maximum
> voltage is limited to 4.7V because of the 5mA flowing through R28 which
> swamps the 1mA bias current.
> 
> What I would like to know is what the bias voltage should be on a 
> correctly set up XV50. The datasheet seems to indicate it must be at
> least greater than 4.5V. It seems my amp needs more than 4.7V to get the
> correct bias, and judging from previous posts on this subject I don't
> think I am alone.
> 
> 73 Dave G3YMC
> 
> On 24 Oct 2014 at 7:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> 
> > Dave,
> > 
> > The PA bias control usually has much greater range than is needed, and
> > the PA bias input should draw very little current. Check the
> > resistance of R39.  Is there a chance that you swapped R39 and R10
> > during the assembly?
> > 
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> > 
> > On 10/24/2014 6:46 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
> > > I am aligning my new XV50, latest build using the RA30H0608M module
> > > and having issues with setting the quiescent bias of the pa as per
> > > the manual. I see others have had this same problem but I can find
> > > no answers.
> > >
> > > The manaul calls for R39 to be adjusted for 20mV on the DMM across
> > > TP3/4 (across the 20mohm current sense resistor R17). With R39 at
> > > its maximum I get 16mV corresponding to a total current of 800mA as
> > > against the required 1A. This is confirmed by the digital current
> > > meter on the 12V psu powering it and my K2, which increases from
> > > 0.5A to 1.3A when I enable transmit on the XV50.
> > >
> > > Before anybody asks, I DO have link W1 fitted, and in fact I have
> > > the correct bias voltage on pin 2 of the output module. However
> > > there is where I suspect the problem as the maximum voltage
> > > achievable there is 4.7V.
> > >
> > > I found a datasheet of the RA30H0608M, albeit a preliminary one
> > > which has a few sheets 'in preparation'. It does not give any
> > > figures for standing bias versus the bias volts but suggests it must
> > > be somewhere between 4.5 and 5V (there is no power output below
> > > 4.5V). The voltage at the R29/R39 junction is limited by the current
> > > flowing through R28 and the module bias current (typically 1mA). So
> > > I am wondering whether some rf modules need a bit more than 4.7V to
> > > get the correct bias current of around 1A. Maybe reducing the value
> > > of R39 (56 ohms) is the answer. Or is mine near enough for good
> > > linearity?

http://davesergeant.com


From jyb1 at mchsi.com  Tue Oct 28 05:52:44 2014
From: jyb1 at mchsi.com (Joseph Betros)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:52:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <201410280723.s9S7NERo078521@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <201410280723.s9S7NERo078521@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>

What is wrong with the Elecraft mic that comes from Elecraft?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:23 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.

On my K3 I use a 15 year old Heil HM05 which was used with my FT-847 before
buying the K3.  The Red Kenwood mic cable was purchased as it has
pin-compatible connector for the K3.

I bought the MH3 for my KX3.

I get great audio quality reports with both mics on both SSB and FM.
K3 settings MIC=20, CMP=20  (Heil desk mic)
KX3 settings MIC=25, CMP=11;  for FM MIC=65 (MH3)

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct 28 06:05:14 2014
From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:05:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>
References: <201410280723.s9S7NERo078521@ingra.acsalaska.net>
	<001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>
Message-ID: <544F6A5A.9030004@ntlworld.com>

Nothing except perhaps might be expensive to buy if you already had a 
mike you were using with another rig or had a spare, or you do not want 
a hand mike.
It is a rare amateur that likes to spend money when they do not need to.

One of Elecraft's 'thing's', features etc has been the ability to use 
other mike and keys with their rigs. With my KX3 I use a cheap light 
logitech headset (<$10 from ebay et al), many DX guys use those Yamaha 
gaming headsets I have seen some ops use those aviation/tank commander 
looking headsets that must cost more than the rig... but it seems you 
can use almost anything within reason.

72

Dom
M1KTA

On 28/10/14 09:52, Joseph Betros wrote:
> What is wrong with the Elecraft mic that comes from Elecraft?


From dbperrin at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 07:34:27 2014
From: dbperrin at gmail.com (David Perrin)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:34:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2
Message-ID: <75428645-201F-4496-9C24-C0200B9B536A@gmail.com>

Hi-
 Interested in your K2. Can you tell me what optional boards you have with the basic kit? Interesting, also can you tell me how Elecraft is involved?
 Thanks, 
Dave, K1OPQ in NH


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 28 08:14:20 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (pkhjr via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 05:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Shipping status
Message-ID: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>

According to the Elecraft shipping status if I order now it will ship in late
Oct.......?  Thinking of ordering one but need a more exacting information
due to travels.

Tex
ka5y



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 28 08:40:18 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 05:40:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Shipping status
In-Reply-To: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1414500018.61605.YahooMailNeo@web162702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Shouldn't you be asking  Elecraft that question? 


((((73)))) Milverton. .



On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:15 AM, pkhjr via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
 


According to the Elecraft shipping status if I order now it will ship in late
Oct.......?  Thinking of ordering one but need a more exacting information
due to travels.

Tex
ka5y



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Oct 28 09:21:40 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (pkhjr via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Shipping status
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Hoping they would update the shipping status.....they make it clear they
don't want people calling......



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From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:46:52 2014
From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:46:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone have a beginners guide to utilizing roofing
 filters on the KX3?
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45rHiwqFE6nXzw6FvkF845f5VTY-8LjNz8-7xH+XfCbVfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45rHiwqFE6nXzw6FvkF845f5VTY-8LjNz8-7xH+XfCbVfw@mail.gmail.com>
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>From the recent posts, I'd suggest you take a look at  the book on the KX3 by
Fred Cady/KE7X <http://www.ke7x.com/The-KX3>  .

Most of the questions you've got are answered there.

Cheers,

David/KG6IRW



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From dpsalas at tx.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 10:01:58 2014
From: dpsalas at tx.rr.com (Phil & Debbie Salas)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Gamma HPS-1a for sale
Message-ID: <87DE070F65714426A62F93E65074853B@PhilPC>

I'm selling my Gamma HPS-1a.  It looks great and works great.  I have replaced the Molex DC connector with Powerpoles as shown in the "Equipment Modifications" section of my website at www.ad5x.com.  Price is $169 shipped/insured US - Paypal, check or MO.  If interested, please contact me off list at ad5x at arrl dot net.

Phil - AD5X

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 11:07:51 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:07:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <544F6A5A.9030004@ntlworld.com>
References: <201410280723.s9S7NERo078521@ingra.acsalaska.net>	<001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>
	<544F6A5A.9030004@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <544FB147.1010608@socal.rr.com>


On 10/28/14 3:05 AM, Dominic Baines wrote:
>
> It is a rare amateur that likes to spend money 
> when they do not need to.
Yes, I did that earlier this year and it's bugged 
me ever since ;-)

Phil W7OX

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 11:12:16 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:12:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
In-Reply-To: <001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>
References: <201410280723.s9S7NERo078521@ingra.acsalaska.net>
	<001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>
Message-ID: <544FB250.5070508@socal.rr.com>

Some prefer headphone-mic combos; I think that's 
what he's using with his K3. I use a Kenwood hand 
mic with my K3.

With my KX3 I use the Elecraft MH3 so far -- and 
an MH2 with my K2.

Both the KX3 and K3 are so configurable that they 
can be used with most any mic. The challenge is in 
the cabling, especially with the KX3.

Phil W7OX

On 10/28/14 2:52 AM, Joseph Betros wrote:
> What is wrong with the Elecraft mic that comes from Elecraft?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
> R Cole
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:23 AM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
>
> On my K3 I use a 15 year old Heil HM05 which was used with my FT-847 before
> buying the K3.  The Red Kenwood mic cable was purchased as it has
> pin-compatible connector for the K3.
>
> I bought the MH3 for my KX3.
>
> I get great audio quality reports with both mics on both SSB and FM.
> K3 settings MIC=20, CMP=20  (Heil desk mic)
> KX3 settings MIC=25, CMP=11;  for FM MIC=65 (MH3)
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>       "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>       dubususa at gmail.com


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 11:14:16 2014
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:14:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Shipping status
In-Reply-To: <1414502500110-7594275.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>	<1414500018.61605.YahooMailNeo@web162702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1414502500110-7594275.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <544FB2C8.5000208@socal.rr.com>

Late October is this week, assuming it's current data.

Phil W7OX

On 10/28/14 6:21 AM, pkhjr via Elecraft wrote:
> Hoping they would update the shipping status.....they make it clear they
> don't want people calling......


From dpsalas at tx.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 11:15:10 2014
From: dpsalas at tx.rr.com (Phil & Debbie)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:15:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Gamma HPS-1a for sale
In-Reply-To: <87DE070F65714426A62F93E65074853B@PhilPC>
Message-ID: <61048423EB8B45AEA215B9167204CD1E@PhilHP>

The Gamma HPS-1a has been sold.

Phil ? AD5X

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Oct 28 11:28:16 2014
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:28:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Now which mic can I use. - sample audio
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6dzJK+v=Dz7TJr7XV2hkrjb0NvDQb3Tzh+e2oUL1Cfcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6dzJK+v=Dz7TJr7XV2hkrjb0NvDQb3Tzh+e2oUL1Cfcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7mJ7GzJthMSF6wqy522Jp3T5EqfK66ajSB80-Qa3vUMA@mail.gmail.com>

Let's try this again as I trim it down to the 30kb limit.


This is the link I should have provided for the mic elements



The link to their web site is
http://www.knowles.com/eng/Products/Microphones/Subminiature-performance/FG-BFG-series


Regardless of how you get there, you have to boost the high end from 2-3Khz
ish.  Not great for rag chewing, but much better for DX even with week
signals.


I apologize to EE7R should he be part of this group, but I hope he is able
to hear how difficult he was to copy even with a 10 over S9 signal.

http://www.portcredit.net/gmap/EE7R_wide_audio.wav allows you to hear
this.  My audio is being recorded by a local mic in the shack (not the
radio mic), so that is why there is some reverb on it and that is not by
design.



Mike va3mw



>
> On 28/10/14 09:52, Joseph Betros wrote:
>
>> What is wrong with the Elecraft mic that comes from Elecraft?
>>
>
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Tue Oct 28 13:36:47 2014
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Now which mic can I use. - sample audio
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7mJ7GzJthMSF6wqy522Jp3T5EqfK66ajSB80-Qa3vUMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts7mJ7GzJthMSF6wqy522Jp3T5EqfK66ajSB80-Qa3vUMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <544FD42F.3020906@nycap.rr.com>

Very interesting website - with a lot of information regarding usage of 
these quite diminutive mic elements.

By the way, I sure to enjoy the K3's TX EQ - for those enhanced lows and 
mids for rag chew armchair copy signals. No place for squeaky DX hunting 
signals in that venue.

My Point: That is what makes the K3 such a great rig. It can be set up 
perfectly for any application and desire - from DX to rag chew.

Bill W2BLC K-Line :)

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 28 14:03:19 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:03:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 and KX3-2M Shipping status
In-Reply-To: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <544FDA67.4050207@elecraft.com>

We have just updated our Shipping status for the PX3 and KX3-2M.

Both are now In Stock and typically Ship from the factory in 1-3 business days.

NOTE: We have emailed all PX3 and KX3-2M back orders asking them to confirm 
their orders for shipping. We are still waiting for a small number of customers 
to reply.

If you have not received an email please contact our office or email 
buffi at elecraft.com.

73,
Eric
elecraft.com

On 10/28/2014 5:14 AM, pkhjr via Elecraft wrote:
> According to the Elecraft shipping status if I order now it will ship in late
> Oct.......?  Thinking of ordering one but need a more exacting information
> due to travels.
>
> Tex
> ka5y

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 28 14:16:42 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:16:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Shipping status
In-Reply-To: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414498460951-7594273.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <544FDD8A.9080603@elecraft.com>

Its now updated, as per my last posting.

Also, its certainly OK to call us now. The request on the status page was from 
back when we were working through the PX3 and KX3-2M  backlog as fast as 
possible and trying to keep phone traffic under control :-)

73,

Eric
elecraft.com

On 10/28/2014 5:14 AM, pkhjr via Elecraft wrote:
> According to the Elecraft shipping status if I order now it will ship in late
> Oct.......?  Thinking of ordering one but need a more exacting information
> due to travels.
>

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Tue Oct 28 17:45:09 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:45:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] no audio on one channel
In-Reply-To: <20141026101423.750722@Shack>
References: <20141026101423.750722@Shack>
Message-ID: <54500E65.3020504@nexicom.net>

Ok so I wasnt paying attention when someone decided to plug a speaker 
into my K3 during JOTA.   Now I have no audio in one channel when using 
external  speakers and headphones  when the speakers are still on.   if 
I turn off the speakers so its headphones only its fine.
Have I fried  the output of one channel with perhaps a speaker with a 
mono plug? and if so is it something I can fix or do I have to send it 
in.   (I'm good with a soldering iron)

David Moes
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/26/2014 06:14, Stewart wrote:
> Very sad news, a real loss to Amateur Radio.
>
> Operating in CQWW I am thinking of him as I use one of the many programs
> (VOAProp) that he so generously donated to the hobby.
>
> RIP Julian,
>
> Stewart G3RXQ
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 23:24:36 +0200, Raymund Band wrote:
>> Me too, I have followed Julian right through the blog and the  KComm etc.
>> era and, of course, the ill-health of the past three years.
>> God rest his soul.
>>
>> Raymund / SM5XLP
>>
>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>> Fr?n: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] F?r Brendan Minish
>> Skickat: den 25 oktober 2014 23:06
>> Till: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> ?mne: [Elecraft] Sad news, G4ILO
>>
>> I was greatly saddened to hear that Julian G4ILO passed away yesterday, I
>> suspect that quite a few of us here knew him at least via RF and the
>> reflector.
>>
>> http://onefootingrave.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/25-october-sad-message.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> 73
>> Brendan EI6IZ
>>
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Tue Oct 28 18:24:50 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:24:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] no audio on one channel
In-Reply-To: <54500E65.3020504@nexicom.net>
References: <20141026101423.750722@Shack> <54500E65.3020504@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <545017B2.4080106@nexicom.net>

Thanks Lyle that was it.

I feel a whole lot better now.   Thats why I like this list sooooo 
much   To bad I put up with it for the CQWWSSB  I do prefer the AFX with 
that weird sort of aural effect  seems to help me discern voices in a 
busy band

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/28/2014 17:45, david Moes wrote:
> Ok so I wasnt paying attention when someone decided to plug a speaker 
> into my K3 during JOTA.   Now I have no audio in one channel when 
> using external  speakers and headphones  when the speakers are still 
> on.   if I turn off the speakers so its headphones only its fine.
> Have I fried  the output of one channel with perhaps a speaker with a 
> mono plug? and if so is it something I can fix or do I have to send it 
> in.   (I'm good with a soldering iron)
>
> David Moes
> VE3DVY,  VE3SD
>


From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Tue Oct 28 21:54:38 2014
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:54:38 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale : K2/10 - further  price reduction
In-Reply-To: <1414376320.94578.YahooMailNeo@web193506.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <1414331089.21413.YahooMailNeo@web193505.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<1414376320.94578.YahooMailNeo@web193506.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1414547678.86283.YahooMailNeo@web193502.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

Price further reduced to USD800 inclusive of shipping.  

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 

________________________________
 ???? Johnny Siu <vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk>
???? Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
??(CC)? "elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com> 
????? 2014?10?27? (??) 10:18 AM
??? FS: K2/10 - price reduction
  


Hello Group,

My colleague agreed to further reduce the price to USD900 inclusive of shipping by air parcel post to major cities.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 

________________________________
 ???? Johnny Siu <vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk>
???? Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
??(CC)? "elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com" <elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com> 
????? 2014?10?26? (??) 9:44 PM
??? FS: K2/10
  




Hello Elecrafters,

A local ham, who does not know much English, needs to sell his K2 s/n 42xx to raise fund due to family issues.  This K2 was built by me and calibrated by spectrogram.  It consists of:

K2 basic HF transceiver 
KSB2 SSB module
KNB2 noise blanker
KAT2 antenna tuning unit
KDSP2 dsp unit
KBT2 - battery bracket (without battery)
K160RX - 160m + 2nd RX ant

Total current price = USD1520 + shipping

I am selling the K2 on behalf of the local ham.  The price is USD1000 including shipping by air parcel post to major countries and cites.  Payment can be done by paypal and wire transfers.  We can share the fees 50/50.

The rig has been little used and in non-smoking envirnoment.  Photos are available upon request.  If interested or ask questions, please contact me off-the-list.

73

Johnny VR2XMC

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:41:14 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:41:14 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB problem
Message-ID: <5450E06A.6000802@gmail.com>

I have a W2 wattmeter which came with a KXUSB adapter. The KXUSB worked 
with an old XP computer, but I can't get it to work with my Windows 7 
machine.

This computer has two real serial ports and it already has two 
USB/serial adapters in use (both FTDI). When I go to the Device Manager 
it lists COM1, COM2, COM4 and COM6.

When I plug in the KXUSB it flashes, but no additional COM ports show up 
in the Device Manager.

The W2 software sees the same four ports, but of course doesn't find the W2.

Rebooting doesn't help. Does anyone have a suggestion of how to fix this?
-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From bob at hogbytes.com  Wed Oct 29 10:26:10 2014
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB problem
In-Reply-To: <5450E06A.6000802@gmail.com>
References: <5450E06A.6000802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1414592770346-7594290.post@n2.nabble.com>

Make sure you are using the latest driver .  See link below
http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm#kx3util



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From vk6vz at arach.net.au  Wed Oct 29 10:55:19 2014
From: vk6vz at arach.net.au (Steve Ireland)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:55:19 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Basic Elecraft K1 for 40m + 20m
Message-ID: <778CC025D09744E7BD4ED33A8BE0228F@StevesHPpcPC>

G?day

I am looking for a basic Elecraft K1 (no extras) two-bander covering 40m and 20m. Please email me direct if you have one that you are interested in selling.

Thank you!

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:41:54 2014
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:41:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB problem -- solved
In-Reply-To: <1414592770346-7594290.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <5450E06A.6000802@gmail.com>
	<1414592770346-7594290.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <545118D2.7000807@gmail.com>

I updated the driver, but it still didn't work. Then I tried pushing the 
plug ALL THE WAY into the socket on the W2! Of course that was it.

Always look for the most simple solution first! I should know this by now.

On 29 Oct 2014 16:26, Bob N3MNT wrote:
> Make sure you are using the latest driver .  See link below
> http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm#kx3util

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From djones at telepak.net  Wed Oct 29 13:05:15 2014
From: djones at telepak.net ( Douglas Jones  N5GT)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:05:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB keyboard
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2975.1414601221.11567.mailman@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2975.1414601221.11567.mailman@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <web-1947508@telepak.net>


I am using a "Gear Head mini USB keyboard" with the PX3.
It is just slightly longer than the K3 (11.5 x 5.5).  It 
connects
to the PX3 with a cable no RF or Bluetooth.
I got mine at Office Depot for $12.99.

From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Oct 29 16:29:50 2014
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 Suite
Message-ID: <007501cff3b7$172529f0$456f7dd0$@W4CCS.COM>

All:

A few days ago, I posted that I could never get the Win4K3 suite to work on
my system.. Well, that was true at the time.. However, since then Tom has
spent countless hours looking at my system, finding errors within the
MicroHam Router program and his own program. I'm very glad to report the
program now works flawless here.. 

Tom stands tall with his customer service we have all come to expect .  Kind
of like Elecraft service..!!

De Scott - W4CCS



From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 16:39:08 2014
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] USB keyboard
In-Reply-To: <web-1947508@telepak.net>
References: <mailman.2975.1414601221.11567.mailman@mailman.qth.net>
	<web-1947508@telepak.net>
Message-ID: <0B7F9E22DF214232BEC072FC2585D6C5@ejhPC>

Does the USB keyboard port on the PX3 work?
If so I missed it.  thanks 73
Emory WM3M

-----Original Message----- 
From:  Douglas Jones N5GT 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:05 PM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] USB keyboard 


I am using a "Gear Head mini USB keyboard" with the PX3.
It is just slightly longer than the K3 (11.5 x 5.5).  It 
connects
to the PX3 with a cable no RF or Bluetooth.
I got mine at Office Depot for $12.99.
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 16:53:39 2014
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] One noise source down, 999 to go.....
Message-ID: <CACHwrmNQkiDUhbe2Q0Z3c3i1vUc5o_YFnFnG--CypNS_bQeWEw@mail.gmail.com>

>From USA Today:

"LG Electronics has confirmed that it will end production of plasma TVs by
the end of November, following a similar announcement
<http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/2/5864371/samsung-ending-production-of-plasma-tvs>
by
rival Samsung earlier this summer....."

Tony KT0NY

From djones at telepak.net  Wed Oct 29 17:14:55 2014
From: djones at telepak.net ( Douglas Jones  N5GT)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:14:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Keyboard --PX3
In-Reply-To: <545129E8.4010200@comcast.net>
References: <545129E8.4010200@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <web-1957254@telepak.net>


My eyes and fingers don't work with my brain sometime.
The previous post should have said P3 not PX3 (was looking
over the PX3 info just prior to the post).

The USB type must use a very common driver because it just 
worked.
For a small keyboard the keys work as well as most of my 
other keyboards.
I use the Logitech K360 wireless on all my computers.

From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 19:14:52 2014
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 23:14:52 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] One noise source down, 999 to go.....
In-Reply-To: <CACHwrmNQkiDUhbe2Q0Z3c3i1vUc5o_YFnFnG--CypNS_bQeWEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACHwrmNQkiDUhbe2Q0Z3c3i1vUc5o_YFnFnG--CypNS_bQeWEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EF84D0BE46F4C7DA39DE5DF5A8F5099@Paramount>

Shame we can't enforce a law confining all existing units to the dumpster. 
The noise won't disappear overnight.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Estep
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:53 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] One noise source down, 999 to go.....

>From USA Today:

"LG Electronics has confirmed that it will end production of plasma TVs by
the end of November, following a similar announcement
<http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/2/5864371/samsung-ending-production-of-plasma-tvs>
by
rival Samsung earlier this summer....."

Tony KT0NY


From wks9478 at charter.net  Wed Oct 29 20:13:30 2014
From: wks9478 at charter.net (wks9478 at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 20:13:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale - partial completion
Message-ID: <55975aa.100532.1495e666b7d.Webtop.49@charter.net>

I may be interested in your K2. Please email me off list at wks9478 at 
charter.net

Thanks,

Bill K5EMI



From jim at jtmiller.com  Thu Oct 30 09:40:24 2014
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ExtRef input impedance?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9wiUw5E_BpKSCey_NugpS+28OiMu6pRgW+bKTQUde_K3w@mail.gmail.com>

I can't find any specs or schematics for my ExtRef board that show the
input impedance.

Is it 50ohms (nominally)?

73

jim ab3cv

From vk6vz at arach.net.au  Thu Oct 30 10:16:12 2014
From: vk6vz at arach.net.au (Steve Ireland)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:16:12 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft K1
Message-ID: <4D59E4AA7EAC46C69939704BAB0EF259@StevesHPpcPC>

G?day

After my earlier ad for a basic Elecraft K1 (no extras) two-bander covering 40m and 20m, it was suggested to me off-list that I was cutting down my options and it would be better simply asking if there was anyone who had had a Elecraft K1 of any kind for sale. I think the writer had a point.

Please email me direct if you have a K1 that you are interested in selling.

Thank you!

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ (Glen Forrest, Western Australia)

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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 30 12:12:25 2014
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:12:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Soldering SMD
Message-ID: <COL129-W684DDC167216804204F3FB919D0@phx.gbl>

I'm not intending to start a long thread here so please reply via private emailif you have the time.  Here's my question for the experts:
Although lead free solder is not recommended for radios, particularlywhere there are multi-strand wires subject to movement or large solderjoints, ... is there any blind side to using it to tack down small SMDcomponents on to G10 board that will not move ?
The issue I am reading about, and I do not know if its really an issue,is that solder with AG content is less caustic on SMD components andwill leave a more reliable joint.
Inquiring minds,
Doug W5JV




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From rich.ac7ma at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 14:02:18 2014
From: rich.ac7ma at gmail.com (Rich, AC7MA)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ExtRef input impedance?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9wiUw5E_BpKSCey_NugpS+28OiMu6pRgW+bKTQUde_K3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wiUw5E_BpKSCey_NugpS+28OiMu6pRgW+bKTQUde_K3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54527D2A.4020200@gmail.com>

Jim,

That is correct, it should be about 50 ohms.

73,
Rich  AC7MA


On 10/30/2014 06:40 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I can't find any specs or schematics for my ExtRef board that show the
> input impedance.
>
> Is it 50ohms (nominally)?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Thu Oct 30 14:07:04 2014
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ExtRef input impedance?
In-Reply-To: <54527D2A.4020200@gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wiUw5E_BpKSCey_NugpS+28OiMu6pRgW+bKTQUde_K3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<54527D2A.4020200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9xCyaEiQfWqENi65QYyZ4NcFO=oCa1sD0YQ_OFD-M32Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

jim ab3cv

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Rich, AC7MA <rich.ac7ma at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> That is correct, it should be about 50 ohms.
>
> 73,
> Rich  AC7MA
>
>
> On 10/30/2014 06:40 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>
>> I can't find any specs or schematics for my ExtRef board that show the
>> input impedance.
>>
>> Is it 50ohms (nominally)?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> jim ab3cv
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Oct 30 16:17:50 2014
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:17:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
Message-ID: <201410302017.s9UKHoib004403@denali.acsalaska.net>

Joseph,

As far as I know nothing wrong with the hand mic for the K3.  I 
didn't need it as my K3 was destined for home use and not going 
mobile or portable.  I had my Heil mic from when I got it for my 
FT-847 in 1998.  All I needed was the proper mic cord to interface 
the K3 and that was the one labeled for Kenwood by Heil.

This is an old model and the label and has worn off.  It may have 
been HM-10.  It is a mic that can be held in the hand or set in a 
separate desk cradle-stand.  I think this model is discontinued.

I use a separate headset made by Sony which has nice soft cushions 
that surround the ear (and enclose my hearing aids), so I have not 
gone to using a headset-mic combo.  Most of my contesting is CW or 
digital so this is sufficient.

For my KX3 I chose the Elecraft MH3 since I DO intend to use it 
mobile and portable.  I get great on-air reports with both radios and 
mics.  Some may note the high mic gain setting for FM with the KX3 
and that results from on-air reports of low audio level on 2m 
FM.  Firmware may have subsequently "fixed" this.

Side comment to the bad SSB usage with splatter, etc.  It's what you 
get if you provide a mic gain control.  I call it the "CB 
syndromn".  Biggest error of CB mfr's was including a mic gain 
control on those radios.

73, Ed - KL7UW
Note: I receive the digest version only twice per day - thus the 
delay in my replies.

--------------------------------
From: "Joseph Betros" <jyb1 at mchsi.com>
To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.
Message-ID: <001201cff294$eccec850$c66c58f0$@com>
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What is wrong with the Elecraft mic that comes from Elecraft?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:23 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now which mic can I use.

On my K3 I use a 15 year old Heil HM05 which was used with my FT-847 before
buying the K3.  The Red Kenwood mic cable was purchased as it has
pin-compatible connector for the K3.

I bought the MH3 for my KX3.

I get great audio quality reports with both mics on both SSB and FM.
K3 settings MIC=20, CMP=20  (Heil desk mic)
KX3 settings MIC=25, CMP=11;  for FM MIC=65 (MH3)



73, Ed - KL7UW
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From tomg3olb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 16:45:56 2014
From: tomg3olb at gmail.com (Tom Boucher)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:45:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Plasma TVs discontinued
Message-ID: <CABEsYyKP17_JPHojV-H=8G_CQbTGB1=qrawdODyHA7hfT6-i7A@mail.gmail.com>

I've had a Pioneer plasma for the past 12 years without any trace of noise.
Admittedly all my receiving antennas are sited over 300 feet from the house.

73,
Tom G3OLB

From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Oct 30 23:26:36 2014
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 03:26:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile
Message-ID: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>

After a half-century of CW only I am about, at last, to try SSB.  The rig is a KX3 operating from my car, into a Hustler mast with 15 and 20 meter resonators.  For the moment the power supply is the car's cigar lighter; and the headset is Elecraft's standard-issue Heil, which I own but have never used.  So, I am looking for suggestions and advice.

One specific question:  I do not have a 'scope or any other equipment with which to look at the transmitted waveform.  I expect to do some practical experimentation; but are there good starting points for the mic and audio settings, and whatever else, in order to get the most effective and cleanest signal?

Another:  Is SSB mobile on HF with 5 or 10 watts going to be practical, or will it just be frustrating? The plan - now that my life affords the time for it - is to put some rare counties in CO, NM, AZ and WY on the air.

Suggestions, ideas, comments, imperatives, opinions - all are most welcome.

Tnx,

Ted, KN1CBR

From pierce2532 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 30 23:46:51 2014
From: pierce2532 at sbcglobal.net (Mike)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:46:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/10w for sale: Reduced
Message-ID: <1414727211.86912.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 Have reduced my K2/10w kit to $625 shipped.

Mike Pierce
KD8DVV



H. Michael Pierce

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Oct 31 00:05:56 2014
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-F37423DDD580422ABE28CB4D94343344@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

You should be able to get out OK on those antennas and bands. I 
managed a few QSOs with 10W, a K3, and a screwdriver antenna. Do 
carefully check for engine noise getting into the radio, both 
via RF and via the power supply.

Follow the instructions on page 15 of the manual to set up your 
microphone. I set my KX3 according to the manual with about 3 
bars of compression for DX/contest work. Also follow Jim Brown, 
K9YC/s advice:

   Also, the most important thing for any SSB station with a weak
   signal is to use about 10 dB of compression on peaks, use TXEQ
   to turn the three bottom octaves all the way down (-16 dB),
   turn the fourth octave down 3-6 dB).Some mics benefit from a 3
   dB boost on the highest band (3.2 kHz). This advice is good for
   ALL competitive operation. And always be careful not to over
   drive the radio. Use just enough to get full modulation, and no
   more.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/31/14 at 8:26 PM, edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) wrote:

>After a half-century of CW only I am about, at last, to try 
>SSB.  The rig is a KX3 operating from my car, into a Hustler 
>mast with 15 and 20 meter resonators.  For the moment the power 
>supply is the car's cigar lighter; and the headset is 
>Elecraft's standard-issue Heil, which I own but have never 
>used.  So, I am looking for suggestions and advice.
>
>One specific question:  I do not have a 'scope or any other 
>equipment with which to look at the transmitted waveform.  I 
>expect to do some practical experimentation; but are there good 
>starting points for the mic and audio settings, and whatever 
>else, in order to get the most effective and cleanest signal?
>
>Another:  Is SSB mobile on HF with 5 or 10 watts going to be 
>practical, or will it just be frustrating? The plan - now that 
>my life affords the time for it - is to put some rare counties 
>in CO, NM, AZ and WY on the air.
>
>Suggestions, ideas, comments, imperatives, opinions - all are most welcome.
>
>Tnx,
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
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From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 00:30:00 2014
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:30:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <C08B6A3B-9EF0-4E6E-9A94-D80F1A357768@gmail.com>

Like any great station, most of the budget should go into the antenna.  The Hustler will load and it might even radiate, but the resonators have low Q and are not very efficient.  I just gave mine away last week, I now use a Tarheel (screwdriver) on my truck.

If your budget insists on that choice, at least make double sure that is it as high as you can safely afford with everything bonded well to (and ON) the vehicle for the best efficiency.  If you get a screwdriver antenna, same rules but get the coil as high as you can and use a capacity hat instead of a tall whip.

Next you'll want to pay attention to how you power the radio.  Cigar lighters are notorious for noise because they are not well grounded and often have other devices (noise makers) on the same circuit.  Find a better power source, preferably connection directly to the battery (automotive self-resetting circuit breakers at the battery, fuses near the radio; BOTH leads to the battery AND both fused).  The battery will act as a HUGE capacitor, keeping a lot of noise out of the rig.

Once that is taken care of, you can set up your transmitter audio as you've been instructed and there are plenty of 'scopes out there to get accurate reports.  I might also cut the lows in the TX EQ which helps add more 'punch' but don't overdo that or it sounds like crap (pinched noise while breathing helium).

Don't forget that since it is a wider signal, SSB won't have near the energy you're used to (you'll need more power than you do on CW).

So it can be done.  The question (for you): is the time and frustration worth the fewer contacts you'll make (compared to a 100 watt mobile).  For me, life is too short for QRP but some folks thrive on it.  I'd seriously consider adding the KXPA with tuner into the mix.  Then you can consider one of the other larger amps...  ;o)

73 es GL,
Rick, WA6NHC

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)


> On Oct 30, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
> 
> After a half-century of CW only I am about, at last, to try SSB.  The rig is a KX3 operating from my car, into a Hustler mast with 15 and 20 meter resonators.  For the moment the power supply is the car's cigar lighter; and the headset is Elecraft's standard-issue Heil, which I own but have never used.  So, I am looking for suggestions and advice.
> 
> One specific question:  I do not have a 'scope or any other equipment with which to look at the transmitted waveform.  I expect to do some practical experimentation; but are there good starting points for the mic and audio settings, and whatever else, in order to get the most effective and cleanest signal?
> 
> Another:  Is SSB mobile on HF with 5 or 10 watts going to be practical, or will it just be frustrating? The plan - now that my life affords the time for it - is to put some rare counties in CO, NM, AZ and WY on the air.
> 
> Suggestions, ideas, comments, imperatives, opinions - all are most welcome.
> 
> Tnx,
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 01:17:32 2014
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:17:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] diagram needed
Message-ID: <1414732652309-7594312.post@n2.nabble.com>

I unhooked my complete Elecraft K-Line and moved it. Now I can not find any
diagram to help me set it back up. Must be getting old I cant remember how I
took it apart. 

Does anyone have a diagram of what hooks up to what connector on the k3
kpa500 kat500 and p3?
Thanks
My email address is kc6cnn at gmail.com

Thank you
Gerald 




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From k6st at arrl.net  Fri Oct 31 02:02:03 2014
From: k6st at arrl.net (K6ST Barry Bettman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw settings
Message-ID: <CAD=H_mFV=_aBhQEbpqL7h06wOFTPg5vL3e4jw0mb3FDZYyExEw@mail.gmail.com>

Question about k3 cw settings. When I narrow the bandwidth down and
narrower filters kick in, I find the audio to be squeezed and difficult to
hear cw signals, where as wider bandwidth makes it easier to hear but too
many signals in the band pass, especially duringn contests like the
upcoming sweepstakes. Are there specific settings that you might suggest
for better clarity on the k3 either on the k3 itself or via the utility?
Thanks, Barry k6st



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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct 31 02:03:44 2014
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:03:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <2n765at2j752sh8juu2hiiuc1qv8fbbkrp@4ax.com>

Hi Ted,

I'm using the KX3 in a mobile - CW and SSB.  For CW, I think QRP is
working FB.  For SSB, I would recommend the KXPA100.  I've worked SSB
using 5-10W, but it's difficult and can be frustrating, at least with
the small car I have.

My XYL and I drove all over the upper mid-western US last month, using
the KX3 in a Honda Civic.  The antenna on the car is a Hustler 22"
base mast, and I switched resonators around as needed (mostly 20m).
Worked about 150 stations on SSB and about 30 on CW (stationary
mobile).  Had a lot of fun working W1AW centennial stations, etc. Even
broke a few pileups, one to the UK while in Flagstaff, AZ. using 40W.
Timing is everything.  :)

Grounding is very important in a mobile.  In a mobile setting you're
at a disadvantage anyway, but solid chassis grounding makes this a lot
less worse.

I don't know if you're in an RV or a Volkswagen.  In this case, size
can matter....  And the installation details may vary according to the
type of vehicle.

See this page for more information about using the KX3 in a mobile:
http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX3
(fifth line item down, including K0BG's web site).  I wrote the first
guide listed, but K0BG has more experience in general mobile ops and
installations.

I had a real blast working stations while mobile.  It is still a Great
Memory(tm) for me.

For SSB, I use ALC metering to indicate optimal mic audio drive, as
described in the KX3 manual. You're pretty safe adding a few clicks of
compression  - say 10 to 15 if using the MH3 mic.  Setting TX EQ up
helps boost useful talk power as well, and there are many articles on
how to do that with the MH3 or any other mic or headset / mic.

Note that I am an Elecraft employee, but I will tell you that the
manual I wrote was written before that time.

73!

matt
W6NIA

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 03:26:36 +0000, you wrote:

>After a half-century of CW only I am about, at last, to try SSB.  The rig is a KX3 operating from my car, into a Hustler mast with 15 and 20 meter resonators.  For the moment the power supply is the car's cigar lighter; and the headset is Elecraft's standard-issue Heil, which I own but have never used.  So, I am looking for suggestions and advice.
>
>One specific question:  I do not have a 'scope or any other equipment with which to look at the transmitted waveform.  I expect to do some practical experimentation; but are there good starting points for the mic and audio settings, and whatever else, in order to get the most effective and cleanest signal?
>
>Another:  Is SSB mobile on HF with 5 or 10 watts going to be practical, or will it just be frustrating? The plan - now that my life affords the time for it - is to put some rare counties in CO, NM, AZ and WY on the air.
>
>Suggestions, ideas, comments, imperatives, opinions - all are most welcome.
>
>Tnx,
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 31 02:59:58 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:59:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <1414738798.7836.YahooMailNeo@web162706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ted, the best reference material on going SSB Mobile can be found below.

K?BG.COM
  
             
K?BG.COM
A Web Site For Mobile Amateur Radio Operators  
View on www.k0bg.com Preview by Yahoo  
  
((((73 )))) Milverton / W9MMS




On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:26 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
 


After a half-century of CW only I am about, at last, to try SSB.  The rig is a KX3 operating from my car, into a Hustler mast with 15 and 20 meter resonators.  For the moment the power supply is the car's cigar lighter; and the headset is Elecraft's standard-issue Heil, which I own but have never used.  So, I am looking for suggestions and advice.

One specific question:  I do not have a 'scope or any other equipment with which to look at the transmitted waveform.  I expect to do some practical experimentation; but are there good starting points for the mic and audio settings, and whatever else, in order to get the most effective and cleanest signal?

Another:  Is SSB mobile on HF with 5 or 10 watts going to be practical, or will it just be frustrating? The plan - now that my life affords the time for it - is to put some rare counties in CO, NM, AZ and WY on the air.

Suggestions, ideas, comments, imperatives, opinions - all are most welcome.

Tnx,

Ted, KN1CBR
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Fri Oct 31 07:51:22 2014
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw settings
In-Reply-To: <CAD=H_mFV=_aBhQEbpqL7h06wOFTPg5vL3e4jw0mb3FDZYyExEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD=H_mFV=_aBhQEbpqL7h06wOFTPg5vL3e4jw0mb3FDZYyExEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <545377BA.6020206@nexicom.net>

Its all very personal  and yes narrow bandwidth will have a some what 
hollow or squezed sound,  this is just the nature of using a narrow 
bandwidth.   I find that the K3 sounds better at very narrow settings 
than some of the other rigs I have had.  saying that  try playing with 
the Pitch of your CW signal  this will move the passband of the reciever 
up and down while keeping the desired signal within the bandpass.    you 
might just find that sweetspot where the CW tone is good to your ear. I 
have mine around 640hz   this works for me  and by narrowing the 
bandwidths sounds good to me and will eliminate not just nearby signals 
but seems to reduce the noise as it cuts out the noise that is not on 
the desired signals frequency  especially with very weak signals.    If 
you are not used to using narrow filters it may just take some time to 
get used to it.  once you do however you will find the oposite and that 
narrower  sounds better than wide even in quiet band conditions.     I 
don't generally go below bandwidth of 240 - 400  in busy conditions like 
a contest and 1kc in not so busy.  when  I am calling a station in  a 
big pileup and trying separate him from all the others calling I will go 
right down to  as low as 100 hz even 50hz   the K3  will go that narrow 
without too much ringing  something I have not been able to do with 
other radios.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 10/31/2014 02:02, K6ST Barry Bettman wrote:
> Question about k3 cw settings. When I narrow the bandwidth down and
> narrower filters kick in, I find the audio to be squeezed and difficult to
> hear cw signals, where as wider bandwidth makes it easier to hear but too
> many signals in the band pass, especially duringn contests like the
> upcoming sweepstakes. Are there specific settings that you might suggest
> for better clarity on the k3 either on the k3 itself or via the utility?
> Thanks, Barry k6st
>
>
>


From pincon at erols.com  Fri Oct 31 08:14:35 2014
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile
References: <D0785D8A.7356%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<C08B6A3B-9EF0-4E6E-9A94-D80F1A357768@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <168399FE661D4C7A86513DF2A3C23CCA@pinnacle05df05>

My personal opinion is that you're setting yourself up for a very 
frustrating experience.  Yes, you will eventually make some contacts, but 
unless you'll be spending a lot of time in the vehicle, your contacts per 
trip will probably be rather low.

Technically, I agree with Rick that you need the outboard amp.  However, for 
what you'll pay for the amp, you can buy a radio that was designed for 
mobile.  I have two Kenwood TS-480S/AT's in mobile service and I find it is 
the best mobile rig I've ever used in over 40 years of mobiling.    With 
tunable antennas such as the Tarheel that Rick recommended, I'd go for the 
HX version with 200 watts output.  It WILL make a difference, especially 
when you're operating on 20 M and below where even the best 8 foot antenna 
is a severe compromise.

Even though I've had a radio in the car for many years, I am not a "serious" 
mobile op.  I use an old solid SS bugcatcher mast and several Hustler 
resonators.  From experience, I operate 95% of the time on several bands (20 
& 40 M) , so I never felt the need for an expensive "all-band" antenna and 
a couple resonators are adequate for me.   One trick I've found to increase 
their efficiency is to use the next higher band coil and add length to the 
top whip.  A 4 foot whip will work fine on 20 M  using a 15 M coil.  I also 
removed enough turns from a 40 M coil to also use a 4 foot whip for 
resonance.

Mobile operation can be fun, but QRP mobile, at least to me would not be. 
Now, if you're mainly interested in listening, then it's a different story.

73, Charlie k3ICH







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Bates, WA6NHC" <happymoosephoto at gmail.com>
To: "<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 on SSB Mobile


> Like any great station, most of the budget should go into the antenna. 
> The Hustler will load and it might even radiate, but the resonators have 
> low Q and are not very efficient.  I just gave mine away last week, I now 
> use a Tarheel (screwdriver) on my truck.
>
> If your budget insists on that choice, at least make double sure that is 
> it as high as you can safely afford with everything bonded well to (and 
> ON) the vehicle for the best efficiency.  If you get a screwdriver 
> antenna, same rules but get the coil as high as you can and use a capacity 
> hat instead of a tall whip.
>
> Next you'll want to pay attention to how you power the radio.  Cigar 
> lighters are notorious for noise because they are not well grounded and 
> often have other devices (noise makers) on the same circuit.  Find a 
> better power source, preferably connection directly to the battery 
> (automotive self-resetting circuit breakers at the battery, fuses near the 
> radio; BOTH leads to the battery AND both fused).  The battery will act as 
> a HUGE capacitor, keeping a lot of noise out of the rig.
>
> Once that is taken care of, you can set up your transmitter audio as 
> you've been instructed and there are plenty of 'scopes out there to get 
> accurate reports.  I might also cut the lows in the TX EQ which helps add 
> more 'punch' but don't overdo that or it sounds like crap (pinched noise 
> while breathing helium).
>
> Don't forget that since it is a wider signal, SSB won't have near the 
> energy you're used to (you'll need more power than you do on CW).
>
> So it can be done.  The question (for you): is the time and frustration 
> worth the fewer contacts you'll make (compared to a 100 watt mobile).  For 
> me, life is too short for QRP but some folks thrive on it.  I'd seriously 
> consider adding the KXPA with tuner into the mix.  Then you can consider 
> one of the other larger amps...  ;o)
>
> 73 es GL,
> Rick, WA6NHC
>
> 


From lwolfgang at arrl.org  Fri Oct 31 11:07:18 2014
From: lwolfgang at arrl.org (Wolfgang, Larry,  WR1B)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:07:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Questions
Message-ID: <19CBBFB7C4961440A10AD16D959F01C1174647D4@EXCHANGE.ARRLHQ.ORG>

I guess I am getting ready to put a KX3 order together. Suggestions about roofing filter choices and other configuration suggestions welcome.
I have noticed that there is some information about a 2 m / 4 m transverter. I've trying to figure out what the 4 m band would be. I'm not aware that we have an allocation there (70 something MHz?) The information still seems a bit sketchy about that. Any ideas? Thanks.

73,

Larry Wolfgang, WR1B


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct 31 11:18:20 2014
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Questions
In-Reply-To: <19CBBFB7C4961440A10AD16D959F01C1174647D4@EXCHANGE.ARRLHQ.ORG>
References: <19CBBFB7C4961440A10AD16D959F01C1174647D4@EXCHANGE.ARRLHQ.ORG>
Message-ID: <st975ap0vctd6git5p4il60g35nq1r8u76@4ax.com>

Hi Larry,

4m is used in many countries outside of the US, but there is no
allocation for Amateur use here [and no real hope of this happening
soon].  I'd suggest you buy the 2m transverter for use in the US.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:07:18 +0000, you wrote:

>I guess I am getting ready to put a KX3 order together. Suggestions about roofing filter choices and other configuration suggestions welcome.
>I have noticed that there is some information about a 2 m / 4 m transverter. I've trying to figure out what the 4 m band would be. I'm not aware that we have an allocation there (70 something MHz?) The information still seems a bit sketchy about that. Any ideas? Thanks.
>
>73,
>
>Larry Wolfgang, WR1B
>
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Fri Oct 31 11:51:28 2014
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:51:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Questions
In-Reply-To: <19CBBFB7C4961440A10AD16D959F01C1174647D4@EXCHANGE.ARRLHQ.ORG>
References: <19CBBFB7C4961440A10AD16D959F01C1174647D4@EXCHANGE.ARRLHQ.ORG>
Message-ID: <24D40D53-6DCB-4EFE-A697-746768B38601@me.com>

Larry, I assembled a KX3 and it?s companion KXPA100 amp 3 weeks ago, and it is an outstanding combo. I?m replacing a Kenwood TS-480HX (an outstanding device also) which I ran with an Ameritron ALS-600S 600-watt linear. With some balancing and shielding I will be able to run the KX3 + KXPA100 into the 600 watt linear. So, I have my super compact QRP radio that I can put in my back pack and sit on a lawn chair with a Buddy Pole on top of a mountain, or the high power base station on my desk at home with the mini-beam. Cake and eat it too. The KXP3 pan adapter for the KX3 arrives today ? my weekend project.
I?ll suggest the roofing filter especially for CW. Did not get an antenna tuner for either the KX3 or KXPA100, but might reconsider that later, since I have an auto-tuner for the big linear. Had no interest in using the KX3 on 2M and actually for the cost, you could probably find a very nice 2M rig.
Assembly suggestion: they provide you with a lot of little teeny tiny screws. Get a cupcake pan or ice cube tray and separate all the parts and label them. Very difficult to tell a 5/32 screw from a 1/4. Tweezers help. And the customer support is extraordinary.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles  

> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Wolfgang, Larry, WR1B <lwolfgang at arrl.org> wrote:
> 
> I guess I am getting ready to put a KX3 order together. Suggestions about roofing filter choices and other configuration suggestions welcome.
> I have noticed that there is some information about a 2 m / 4 m transverter. I've trying to figure out what the 4 m band would be. I'm not aware that we have an allocation there (70 something MHz?) The information still seems a bit sketchy about that. Any ideas? Thanks.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Larry Wolfgang, WR1B
> 
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From no9e at arrl.net  Fri Oct 31 12:13:26 2014
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:13:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Power knob became ALC off/on
Message-ID: <1414772006262-7594321.post@n2.nabble.com>

I made some menu changes while calling  FT4TA, and PWR knob became ALC off/on
switch. How to get the original PWR function back?
Ignacy, NO9E 



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From phystad at mac.com  Fri Oct 31 12:19:11 2014
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:19:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Questions
In-Reply-To: <24D40D53-6DCB-4EFE-A697-746768B38601@me.com>
References: <19CBBFB7C4961440A10AD16D959F01C1174647D4@EXCHANGE.ARRLHQ.ORG>
	<24D40D53-6DCB-4EFE-A697-746768B38601@me.com>
Message-ID: <88220998-33AC-4E51-AC47-F8AA554A6A4D@mac.com>

Added comment on one part of post below...

> Had no interest in using the KX3 on 2M and actually for the cost, you could probably find a very nice 2M rig.

I agree with the comment quoted above if the 2M mode is FM and repeater action or whatever only.  But, if you are
wanting to do weak signal work with CW, SSB, etc. then the 2M option is a very good cost item and worth the
small increment of $.

I bought the 2M option primarily for weak signal ops but haven't finished making my 2-meter antenna yet, in fact,
still collecting the materials for its construction (a 7 element Yagi is the plan right now, maybe I will add elements).

73, phil, K7PEH



> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:51 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Larry, I assembled a KX3 and it?s companion KXPA100 amp 3 weeks ago, and it is an outstanding combo. I?m replacing a Kenwood TS-480HX (an outstanding device also) which I ran with an Ameritron ALS-600S 600-watt linear. With some balancing and shielding I will be able to run the KX3 + KXPA100 into the 600 watt linear. So, I have my super compact QRP radio that I can put in my back pack and sit on a lawn chair with a Buddy Pole on top of a mountain, or the high power base station on my desk at home with the mini-beam. Cake and eat it too. The KXP3 pan adapter for the KX3 arrives today ? my weekend project.
> I?ll suggest the roofing filter especially for CW. Did not get an antenna tuner for either the KX3 or KXPA100, but might reconsider that later, since I have an auto-tuner for the big linear. Had no interest in using the KX3 on 2M and actually for the cost, you could probably find a very nice 2M rig.
> Assembly suggestion: they provide you with a lot of little teeny tiny screws. Get a cupcake pan or ice cube tray and separate all the parts and label them. Very difficult to tell a 5/32 screw from a 1/4. Tweezers help. And the customer support is extraordinary.
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles  
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Wolfgang, Larry, WR1B <lwolfgang at arrl.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I am getting ready to put a KX3 order together. Suggestions about roofing filter choices and other configuration suggestions welcome.
>> I have noticed that there is some information about a 2 m / 4 m transverter. I've trying to figure out what the 4 m band would be. I'm not aware that we have an allocation there (70 something MHz?) The information still seems a bit sketchy about that. Any ideas? Thanks.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Larry Wolfgang, WR1B
>> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 31 12:24:52 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power knob became ALC off/on
In-Reply-To: <1414772006262-7594321.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414772006262-7594321.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <488371FE-6670-4C27-94E4-1957542202B2@elecraft.com>

You must have turned off TX ALC (CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry). When you do that, the power knob adjusts open-loop drive in very small increments. It flashes "ALC OFF" as a reminder.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:

> I made some menu changes while calling  FT4TA, and PWR knob became ALC off/on
> switch. How to get the original PWR function back?
> Ignacy, NO9E 
> 
> 
> 
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From no9e at arrl.net  Fri Oct 31 12:34:36 2014
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Power knob became ALC off/on
In-Reply-To: <488371FE-6670-4C27-94E4-1957542202B2@elecraft.com>
References: <1414772006262-7594321.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<488371FE-6670-4C27-94E4-1957542202B2@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1414773276683-7594324.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks.
Seems much to learn.
The problem went away after turning the radio off and on.
Ignacy



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From bwruble at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:46:18 2014
From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:46:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY 4 Second Delay
Message-ID: <CA+8EV6qe+wHa+vFQJ1-h_CTz8peA2pGtFRL+aQTeiVgDNL1y1g@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure this has been asked and answered, so sorry...

Is there any way to truncate the 4 second delay when operating the K3 in
 RTTY in FSK-D mode.  The carrier stays on 4 seconds after the last
character has been sent.  Is there a setting to reduce that?  Is there a
keystroke or character to send that will signify "end of transmission" and
cause TX >>> RX?

I believe there is a CW character that will do it, but I don't always have
a paddle with me when operating the K3 remotely using the K3/0 mini.

Thanks.  73 de Brian W3BW

*Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 31 12:48:18 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:48:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power knob became ALC off/on
In-Reply-To: <1414773276683-7594324.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1414772006262-7594321.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<488371FE-6670-4C27-94E4-1957542202B2@elecraft.com>
	<1414773276683-7594324.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AD62F482-B758-48F3-9866-C899333FDA92@elecraft.com>

That's because the CONFIG:TX ALC OFF setting is temporary, not saved on power-down.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:

> Thanks.
> Seems much to learn.
> The problem went away after turning the radio off and on.
> Ignacy
> 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 31 12:50:00 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:50:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY 4 Second Delay
In-Reply-To: <CA+8EV6qe+wHa+vFQJ1-h_CTz8peA2pGtFRL+aQTeiVgDNL1y1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qe+wHa+vFQJ1-h_CTz8peA2pGtFRL+aQTeiVgDNL1y1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <611B8E5E-6A3A-41B6-8559-B8704A625A1A@elecraft.com>

Send "..--" ("IM" pro sign, with the I and M concatenated). You can think of it as "IMmediately terminate transmission".

If you have trouble sending this character, trying thinking of it as sending the number 2, but leaving off the last dash.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "Brian F. Wruble" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am sure this has been asked and answered, so sorry...
> 
> Is there any way to truncate the 4 second delay when operating the K3 in
> RTTY in FSK-D mode.  The carrier stays on 4 seconds after the last
> character has been sent.  Is there a setting to reduce that?  Is there a
> keystroke or character to send that will signify "end of transmission" and
> cause TX >>> RX?
> 
> I believe there is a CW character that will do it, but I don't always have
> a paddle with me when operating the K3 remotely using the K3/0 mini.
> 
> Thanks.  73 de Brian W3BW
> 
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 31 12:59:46 2014
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY 4 Second Delay
In-Reply-To: <611B8E5E-6A3A-41B6-8559-B8704A625A1A@elecraft.com>
References: <CA+8EV6qe+wHa+vFQJ1-h_CTz8peA2pGtFRL+aQTeiVgDNL1y1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<611B8E5E-6A3A-41B6-8559-B8704A625A1A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <419F99D4-98F1-4DCA-8CDD-2E965E89A0B6@elecraft.com>

The IM prosign can also be inserted at the end of CW/DATA messages using the message editor in K3 and KX3 Utility. I believe it's the "|" (pipe) character. This character is not sent on the air when it appears in a message memory, and in DATA mode it is not sent at all, even when inserted "live" by the keyer paddle.

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Send "..--" ("IM" prosign, with the I and M concatenated). You can think of it as "IMmediately terminate transmission".
> 
> If you have trouble sending this character, trying thinking of it as sending the number 2, but leaving off the last dash.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "Brian F. Wruble" <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am sure this has been asked and answered, so sorry...
>> 
>> Is there any way to truncate the 4 second delay when operating the K3 in
>> RTTY in FSK-D mode.  The carrier stays on 4 seconds after the last
>> character has been sent.  Is there a setting to reduce that?  Is there a
>> keystroke or character to send that will signify "end of transmission" and
>> cause TX >>> RX?
>> 
>> I believe there is a CW character that will do it, but I don't always have
>> a paddle with me when operating the K3 remotely using the K3/0 mini.
>> 
>> Thanks.  73 de Brian W3BW
>> 
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 31 13:32:21 2014
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:32:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT4TA all K3 Tromelin Isl DXpedition on the air
Message-ID: <5453C7A5.6000502@elecraft.com>

*FT4TA*, the *Tromelin* <https://twitter.com/Tromelin> all K3 DXpedition, is now 
on the air!

See: http://www.tromelin2014.com/en/ <http://t.co/Ldit9eyDhg>

73,
Eric
elecraft.com


From k9fd at flex.com  Fri Oct 31 14:03:09 2014
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:03:09 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] FT4TA all K3 Tromelin Isl DXpedition on the air
In-Reply-To: <5453C7A5.6000502@elecraft.com>
References: <5453C7A5.6000502@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5453CEDD.4000201@flex.com>

K3 to K3 and hes in the log for me on 12 meters,   makes #328 using
only a 130 ft wire fed with open line 40 ft high.
Of course an Alpha 99 helps at 1.5KW output also
Good luck guys
73 Merv K9FD/KH6     WH2XCR 600Meters

> *FT4TA*, the *Tromelin* <https://twitter.com/Tromelin> all K3 
> DXpedition, is now on the air!
>
> See: http://www.tromelin2014.com/en/ <http://t.co/Ldit9eyDhg>
>
> 73,
> Eric
> elecraft.com
>
> ______________________________________________________________


From wes at triconet.org  Fri Oct 31 14:56:46 2014
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:56:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT4TA all K3 Tromelin Isl DXpedition on the air
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References: <5453C7A5.6000502@elecraft.com> <5453CEDD.4000201@flex.com>
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Being in KH6 probably doesn't hurt either. 

Wes. N7WS

On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Merv Schweigert <k9fd at flex.com> wrote:

> K3 to K3 and hes in the log for me on 12 meters,   makes #328 using
> only a 130 ft wire fed with open line 40 ft high.
> Of course an Alpha 99 helps at 1.5KW output also
> Good luck guys
> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6     WH2XCR 600Meters
> 
>> *FT4TA*, the *Tromelin* <https://twitter.com/Tromelin> all K3 DXpedition, is now on the air!
>> 
>> See: http://www.tromelin2014.com/en/ <http://t.co/Ldit9eyDhg>
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> elecraft.com
>> 
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From ptaa at ieee.org  Fri Oct 31 16:28:05 2014
From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 21:28:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and external receiver
Message-ID: <CAPE-h6_GG6DN7+BSpTZj3CBr=jELEW+vxkUODn2+WBFX9Yq=JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

My K3 has KPA3 and KAT3 installed, nut not the KRX3

The K3 has a nice way of switching antennas when using both main and sub-rx.

I want to use an external rx (R&S EK 896). Is there a nice way to do this?
My main concern is of course to protect the external rx when transmitting
with the K3.

73es,

Per-Tore
LA7NO

From ptaa at ieee.org  Fri Oct 31 16:48:35 2014
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:48:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and external receiver
Message-ID: <1414788515104-7594333.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello,

My K3 has KPA3 and KAT3 installed, but not the KRX3

The K3 has a nice way of switching antennas when using both main and sub-rx.

I want to use an external rx (R&S EK 896). Is there a nice way to do this?
My main concern is of course to protect the external rx when transmitting
with the K3.

73es,

Per-Tore
LA7NO 



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Oct 31 17:22:17 2014
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Steve, K4FJ via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:22:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for P3 SVGA Factory built
Message-ID: <8D1C367E173064E-1508-3420F@webmail-vm128.sysops.aol.com>


I am looking for a P3 SVGA factory built Panadaptor.  Please advise condition and price.  Reply direct to k4fj at aol.com

73, Steve, K4FJ


From beford at myfairpoint.net  Fri Oct 31 18:55:47 2014
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:55:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for P3 SVGA Factory built
Message-ID: <1815B5B60F504FEAB6B303737015FA9D@HPE250f>

Steve,

You might want to clarify. Are you looking for a factory built P3, with the
optional SVGA adapter?

Bruce N1RX


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 31 19:16:47 2014
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:16:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and external receiver
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References: <1414788515104-7594333.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5454185F.30207@embarqmail.com>

Per-Tore,

I have not tried it, but from a look at the K3 Block Diagram, it would 
appear that you could connect the external receiver to the RX ANT OUT 
jack (requires the KXV3 option) and tell the K3 to use the RX ANT (that 
is a per band setting).

The K3 Low Pass Filters would be in the path between the antenna and 
that output, but it is behind the TR switch which should protect the 
external receiver during transmit.  Muting the external receiver is not 
part of that connection - you are on your own to devise the means for 
muting that receiver during transmit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/31/2014 4:48 PM, LA7NO wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My K3 has KPA3 and KAT3 installed, but not the KRX3
>
> The K3 has a nice way of switching antennas when using both main and sub-rx.
>
> I want to use an external rx (R&S EK 896). Is there a nice way to do this?
> My main concern is of course to protect the external rx when transmitting
> with the K3.
>
> 73es,
>
> Per-Tore
> LA7NO
>
>
>
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From ptaa at ieee.org  Fri Oct 31 19:27:22 2014
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and external receiver
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Thanks for the info.
Unfortunately, I do not have the KXV3 option.

P-T


On 1 November 2014 00:18, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft] <
ml-node+s365791n7594336h71 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:

> Per-Tore,
>
> I have not tried it, but from a look at the K3 Block Diagram, it would
> appear that you could connect the external receiver to the RX ANT OUT
> jack (requires the KXV3 option) and tell the K3 to use the RX ANT (that
> is a per band setting).
>
> The K3 Low Pass Filters would be in the path between the antenna and
> that output, but it is behind the TR switch which should protect the
> external receiver during transmit.  Muting the external receiver is not
> part of that connection - you are on your own to devise the means for
> muting that receiver during transmit.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/31/2014 4:48 PM, LA7NO wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > My K3 has KPA3 and KAT3 installed, but not the KRX3
> >
> > The K3 has a nice way of switching antennas when using both main and
> sub-rx.
> >
> > I want to use an external rx (R&S EK 896). Is there a nice way to do
> this?
> > My main concern is of course to protect the external rx when
> transmitting
> > with the K3.
> >
> > 73es,
> >
> > Per-Tore
> > LA7NO
> >
> >
> >
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From ormandj at corenode.com  Fri Oct 31 19:31:06 2014
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Questions
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Responses in-line. I did a direct reply accidentally, I didn't know this
list didn't set a reply-to.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

> Added comment on one part of post below...
>
> > Had no interest in using the KX3 on 2M and actually for the cost, you
> could probably find a very nice 2M rig.
>
> I agree with the comment quoted above if the 2M mode is FM and repeater
> action or whatever only.  But, if you are
> wanting to do weak signal work with CW, SSB, etc. then the 2M option is a
> very good cost item and worth the
> small increment of $.
>
> I bought the 2M option primarily for weak signal ops but haven't finished
> making my 2-meter antenna yet, in fact,
> still collecting the materials for its construction (a 7 element Yagi is
> the plan right now, maybe I will add elements).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:51 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Larry, I assembled a KX3 and it?s companion KXPA100 amp 3 weeks ago, and
> it is an outstanding combo. I?m replacing a Kenwood TS-480HX (an
> outstanding device also) which I ran with an Ameritron ALS-600S 600-watt
> linear. With some balancing and shielding I will be able to run the KX3 +
> KXPA100 into the 600 watt linear. So, I have my super compact QRP radio
> that I can put in my back pack and sit on a lawn chair with a Buddy Pole on
> top of a mountain, or the high power base station on my desk at home with
> the mini-beam. Cake and eat it too. The KXP3 pan adapter for the KX3
> arrives today ? my weekend project.
>

I have the same combo, KX3 + KXPA100 for home, and I love it. I also own
the PX3, built the kit about a week ago - well worth the money. I can spot
conversations and jump to them far faster than I'd have every imagined. I
also used the built in signal generator in the PX3 with capacitive coupling
(to lower input power) to a wire on a BNC to binding post connector I have
to tune my filters (pretty sure I touched them when doing some work in my
KX3). Not sure how stable the generator is, but so far, no ill-effects.


> > I?ll suggest the roofing filter especially for CW. Did not get an
> antenna tuner for either the KX3 or KXPA100, but might reconsider that
> later, since I have an auto-tuner for the big linear. Had no interest in
> using the KX3 on 2M and actually for the cost, you could probably find a
> very nice 2M rig.
>

I love the ATU in my KX3/KXPA100. If you have relatively short feedlines so
impedance mismatch won't rob you of much power, they make some really easy
homebuilt antennas very usable. I have a EFHW antenna for 10/20/40m I built
that I string up on a 40' Spiderbeam for portable use, and I easy 'get out
there'. I also enjoy the ATU for my home operation, I have a low (5' above
ground and very good at NVIS but not so great for DX) 187' loop around my
backyard fence, soldered to a 450ohm window line I run into a 4:1 balun.
I've yet to encounter a band or frequency I can't get 1.5 SWR or better on,
and I've had MANY conversations all over the US and even into Canada, even
with SSB. It's nowhere near optimal, but it's better to be on the radio
than off it. I can hit most of the US, Canada, Mexico, and such on a
regular basis with 20W on 20m. It's nice not needing an external ATU. If I
had to make long feedline runes, I'd probably build an ATU near the antenna
to minimize losses.


> > Assembly suggestion: they provide you with a lot of little teeny tiny
> screws. Get a cupcake pan or ice cube tray and separate all the parts and
> label them. Very difficult to tell a 5/32 screw from a 1/4. Tweezers help.
> And the customer support is extraordinary.
>

100% agree with this advice. The only difficult part about building
Elecraft kits I have run into is keeping the various screws in order so I
was using the right screw for the right job. The manuals are excellent and
detail what you should use, but having something to split them all up when
you receive them (helps with inventory too!) makes assembly a cakewalk. I
may have spent 30 minutes putting my PX3 together, most of that spent doing
an inventory pre-build,  finding my tiny-screwdriver box of phillips head
attachments and clearing an area on the workbench to do so.

Regarding the 2M option, with that option and a small yagi I borrowed from
a friend he uses for satellite operations, I found 2 power line poles that
were generating a lot of noise. You could do the same with a Baofeng, but I
like having a radio that can fill in for a small hand-held if the
need/desire arises. There's one hell of a difference in usability between
my cheap Baofeng and my KX3, and I'm happy to have the functionality
available in a device that makes sense to me/that I know well.

Hope that helps,
David


> >
> > David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles
> >
> >> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Wolfgang, Larry, WR1B <lwolfgang at arrl.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I guess I am getting ready to put a KX3 order together. Suggestions
> about roofing filter choices and other configuration suggestions welcome.
> >> I have noticed that there is some information about a 2 m / 4 m
> transverter. I've trying to figure out what the 4 m band would be. I'm not
> aware that we have an allocation there (70 something MHz?) The information
> still seems a bit sketchy about that. Any ideas? Thanks.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Larry Wolfgang, WR1B
> >>
>




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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Fri Oct 31 20:22:33 2014
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] rather good service fer sure
Message-ID: <AABLFJLABAN5WC42@smtpout01.vgs.untd.com>



I had a bit of a problem installing the 144 board in the KX3 I built
actually the nut on the FET dropped off ,, I installed and removed the
unit
several times making sure the routing of the cables
I checked with Elecraft on the OK to use a drop of epoxy on the nut
and they suggested I send the KX3 back and allow them to do a full
install 
and set up

wild

that was an offer I couldnt refuse
the install of the trransverter was 
going well with no problems and I sure can
recommend the upgrade,,, it fits nice and the small coax connectors
popped
right into place
does anyone think any other manufacturer of ham gear would act in this
manor

anyone interested in a DEM 144 verter and a kenwood 850

Oh  it will be interesting to see how well the thing works as I am 200 Ft
from some very dirty 150 Mhz pagers,,, does effect the FM portion of 2
meters
but pretty clean at 144.2

Bob K3DJC


From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 20:39:36 2014
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line hook up
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Yes i know. Everyone told me. I had mine in moving box somewhere. My
computer for Internet was also boxed somewhere. All I had was my phone and
was looking for help. I know they are in the manuals. To the ones that sent
just the diagrams thank you all is up and running now. To the others I hope
you get help when you ask for it and not just people telling you its in the
manuals.
Tnx
Gerald.