[Elecraft] WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

[Phil Hystad]

> I too understand the real estate issue.  The plan was to sell the iMac and stick with the  Linux/win7 desktop. 

The lack of surface area is an ever increasing problem for me in my shack but I have found a partial solution.  Decided to sell all non-Elecraft rigs.  I just sold my Icom 756 Pro III earlier this week.  Two months ago, I sold my Icom PW-1 linear.  Other stuff that I have not yet decide to keep or sell is currently in storage and I gained more room on the shelf.

Ham radio seems to be one of those hobbies where people collect way too much stuff -- way more than they can use and sometimes way more than they can even look at or touch.  Result, overcrowded shacks.

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On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Anthony Marriott <paul.marriott at icloud.com> wrote:

> I haven't tried raspberry pie yet, so can't comment.  After trying many Linux distros I finally ended with Elementary OS
> 
> I too understand the real estate issue.  The plan was to sell the iMac and stick with the  Linux/win7 desktop.  Well, it didn't happen!  Now I use both and my ham shack is full of radios computers and half built stuff.  Typical HAM!
> 
> Paul
> AF5BV
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:49, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Which Linux?
>> 
>> I have Ubuntu on my laptop but when it comes to the question of which Linux it is usually a question of which desktop U/I is your favorite.  As for me, I don't like any of the Linux desktops and I primarily use Linux using a terminal window and vi as the editor.  Major development work I still do on my Mac and merely move it to the Linux system if that is where it is to be executed.  None of my stuff uses a graphic U/I on Linux.  It is all under the covers system oriented stuff and primarily for play, not real stuff, or now-and-then, doing work related to my former company and its software that runs on Linux.
>> 
>> Besides, I am liking RPi a lot more and I know what you mean by real estate.  Merely having the monitor on the desk top is a hassle so I don't do that.  Instead I network into the RPi and use SSH and this gets rid of the keyboard, the mouse, and the display since I am doing this from the iMac or my Macbook Pro.  The RPi is running all the time (or, most of the time) with a short little CAT5 cable into my WiFi router Ethernet port (so it is on the same subnet as wireless in the house).
>> 
>> I almost never use the desktop U/I with RPi but some day when I get around to it I am thinking of experimenting with client X-Window U/I running on my Mac and served from RPi (of course, the X-Window system reverses the common notion of client/server).
>> 
>> Performance on RPi -- well, I bet your HP Win8.1 is a speed demon in comparison to RPi but RPi is not bad if you are NOT running the X Window system and the desktop.
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My problem with the RPi is that it has so many pieces: Keyboard, RPi, Monitor (and converter to let me use SVGA monitor with it), etc.. So it's too spread out to use at my operating position *and* do ham radio.
>>> 
>>> My $280 HP Win 8.1 machine is small, usable but a bit slow (1 GHz CPU, 2 GB RAM) but has a 320 GB HDD. I'm thinking of installing a Linux version on that (making it dual boot). Suggestions of which to install will be appreciated. First I need to figure out how to make it dual-boot: It didn't come with a Bootcamp, though for all I know Win 8.1 has one in there somewhere!
>>> 
>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>> 
>>>> On 3/29/14, 7:47 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>>> Further on this question...
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on Raspberry Pi?  Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other projects.  I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>>>> 
>>>> My only use of computers in the ham shack is for running the Elecraft utilities which I do on my iMac desktop (currently writing on my Macbook Pro laptop).  A full Apple Mac house here.  I did have Windows running on an old laptop which I kept for running Eznec only but I have switched over from Eznec to NEC4 totally and I am working on doing the graphic work in Mathematica -- both of these are on my Mac computers.  I still have that old windows laptop but now it is an old Linux laptop that is collecting the same amount of dust as it did with windows loaded on it (I like Linux but there is nothing I can do on Linux I can't do on my Macs).
>>>> 
>>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <paul.marriott at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box.  Originally I went for Win7 since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac.  Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS as my Linux “distro” of choice because I can configure it more to look like OSX.  Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can configure fldigi without issue to operate digital.  I still have not given up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For an old machine, I’d most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other Ubuntu distro like Mint.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> AF5BV
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration, because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform.  And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>>>>> I have tried Linux.  It is just fine for those who have computers that are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other computers on a network.  Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work, but discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet, Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that situation with Linux.  Besides, most ham applications are Windows based, and several do not run well under Wine.  Getting COM port assignments when using Wine has been an exercise in frustration for me, most recently with USB adapters.  Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it was frustrating and not successful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all ills.  As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email and internet surfing.  For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop - it is quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are transitioning from Windows.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for those occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but those are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench computer and the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
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