From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 1 00:05:34 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 00:05:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW Message-ID: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> I like the comment about going through an intermediate step... Maybe I'll look at a paddle instead. So what's this about iambic? What are the types of paddles out there? On Nov 30, 2014 11:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Sun,11/30/2014 8:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: > >?? Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? > > It's been nearly 60 years since I went through that. Paddles and keyers > did not exist -- we had "bugs," but did start on straight keys. But bugs > are inherently different from the paddle/keyer combo. Perhaps one of the > CWOps guys who are working with CW Academy can offer an opinion. Mine is > that sending good CW is mostly a matter of training our brain and > fingers to mimic the good CW that we hear. Unless you're a real straight > key "pro," they're far too slow for most on air CW, so if you're going > to learn what you're going to use, I don't see the value in going > through an intermediate step. > > BTW -- if you want to get a great start on CW (or build your skills), by > all means take advantage of CW Academy. This is the brainchild of K6RB > and a few other CWOps members, and it's been quite successful. > http://www.cwops.org/? I'm a proud member of CWOps, but not very active. > It's a great group. Membership is by invitation. You don't need to be a > member to be in CW Academy or the many on-the-air events. Check out the > website. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 1 00:09:34 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 00:09:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <009c01d00d1e$cf5616d0$6e024470$@mt.net> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <084CB873-166B-4CB0-A122-1A736A18B354@tx.rr.com> <009c01d00d1e$cf5616d0$6e024470$@mt.net> Message-ID: <547BF80E.9050305@subich.com> > Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Absolutely not! One need only listen to the number of *BAD* fists with paddles - maladjusted keyers, letters run together, "short" word spaces, missing dits, etc. are all quite common. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-11-30 11:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: > If I had to use a straight key, I would give up CW entirely. I went right to paddles and a keyer. > I have about 20 various CW capable radios, every one of them has a built in keyer > Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? > > Leroy AB7CE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:11 PM > To: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest > > >> >> A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or >> a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. >> > > I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles and the different keyer modes, and don?t be in a hurry to move to something glitzy. > > Grant NQ5T > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lmarion at mt.net Mon Dec 1 00:29:56 2014 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <00cf01d00d27$d8fe1440$8afa3cc0$@mt.net> I have from the Schurr Profi to home made keys. One of the best I have is the Norcal paddles Kit key,. It?s a magnetic(versus springs ) type key. I did put silver contacts on it. It was picked up by Vibroplex and made as the Code Warrior, I think. I don?t think Elecraft sells the magnetic paddles by Bencher anymore. Another favorite that is in use right now is the N3ZN key, also magnetic tension. Now that my hand has become partially paralyzed, I am using computer key board Keying, and I like it a lot. Probably the wave of the future and the saving technology for CW. Also used for PSK31 and other modes. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Blahovici Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:06 PM To: Jim Brown Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW I like the comment about going through an intermediate step... Maybe I'll look at a paddle instead. So what's this about iambic? What are the types of paddles out there? From ho13dave at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 00:41:39 2014 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:41:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <547BF80E.9050305@subich.com> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <084CB873-166B-4CB0-A122-1A736A18B354@tx.rr.com> <009c01d00d1e$cf5616d0$6e024470$@mt.net> <547BF80E.9050305@subich.com> Message-ID: <547BFF93.9010602@gmail.com> There is nothing inherent in a paddle that causes bad CW any more than a straight key causes bad CW. There is tons of horrible CW sent with straight keys. Just listen a bit. They are not hard to find. If you want to learn good timing with either a paddle or straight key then practice sending and let a computer decode what you send. It will spot most all errors regardless of the method of sending. Sloppy timing has nothing to do with the instrument used. It is 100% with the op and their failure to practice with whatever they are using. Poor timing is plentiful from both straight keys and paddles. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 11/30/14 11:09 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? > > Absolutely not! One need only listen to the number of *BAD* fists > with paddles - maladjusted keyers, letters run together, "short" > word spaces, missing dits, etc. are all quite common. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2014-11-30 11:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: >> If I had to use a straight key, I would give up CW entirely. I went >> right to paddles and a keyer. >> I have about 20 various CW capable radios, every one of them has a >> built in keyer >> Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? >> >> Leroy AB7CE >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >> Of GRANT YOUNGMAN >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:11 PM >> To: Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest >> >> >>> >>> A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to paddles or >>> a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. >>> >> >> I have to agree. Straight key first, without question. VIbroplex, >> J-38, yada yada, just about anything that is a decent key. Many to >> choose from. Learn the code and most importantly GOOD timing. Get >> your speed up. Then worry about a bug or single/dual lever paddles >> and the different keyer modes, and don???t be in a hurry to move to >> something glitzy. >> >> Grant NQ5T >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 01:05:26 2014 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 01:05:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <547C0526.6010406@comcast.net> Tom, As a beginner, don't get hung up on iambic. It's really for the advanced CW operator. It requires a double paddle, or squeeze key set and when you squeeze the paddles, you send alternating dits and dahs. Whether you send a dit or a dah first, is a matter if which side you squeezed first. There all kinds of keys out there. As a beginner who most likely is not going to run high speed, almost any paddle set will work as long as the paddles move smoothly. The important thing is that it has a heavy enough base not to move around during excited sending. A Bencher is probably not a bad starting point. It uses a spring to make the paddle work and it doesn't feel all that bad. I use a good Vibroplex most of the time with an old Brown Brothers as my other main paddle set. I also have my first set which is an FYO set that Bencher copied. No matter what kind of paddle set you get, you are going to need to adjust it for you. Whether you get spring loaded or magnetic tension paddles, the watch word is smoothness and response. At low speed response is not usually an issue. The rest of it is cosmetic. If there is a good CW operator near you, go see him and ask to play with his key/paddle set and see what it feels like. And then ask him why he sets his paddles as he does. 73, Barry K3NDM On 12/1/2014 12:05 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > I like the comment about going through an intermediate step... Maybe I'll look at a paddle instead. > So what's this about iambic? What are the types of paddles out there? > > On Nov 30, 2014 11:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Sun,11/30/2014 8:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: >>> Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? >> It's been nearly 60 years since I went through that. Paddles and keyers >> did not exist -- we had "bugs," but did start on straight keys. But bugs >> are inherently different from the paddle/keyer combo. Perhaps one of the >> CWOps guys who are working with CW Academy can offer an opinion. Mine is >> that sending good CW is mostly a matter of training our brain and >> fingers to mimic the good CW that we hear. Unless you're a real straight >> key "pro," they're far too slow for most on air CW, so if you're going >> to learn what you're going to use, I don't see the value in going >> through an intermediate step. >> >> BTW -- if you want to get a great start on CW (or build your skills), by >> all means take advantage of CW Academy. This is the brainchild of K6RB >> and a few other CWOps members, and it's been quite successful. >> http://www.cwops.org/ I'm a proud member of CWOps, but not very active. >> It's a great group. Membership is by invitation. You don't need to be a >> member to be in CW Academy or the many on-the-air events. Check out the >> website. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 02:08:38 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:08:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> Message-ID: <4B107A6C-BFF0-48C7-AB9F-E256168DC6A9@gmail.com> I don't agree. How does a straight key help you achieve proper spacing? Some of the worst sending I've ever heard comes from straight keys. Just get a paddle and let the keyer do its job. Your job will be to pay attention to the letter and word spacing. Also, as others have said, don't get an expensive paddle until you have enough experience to know what you want. The old Bencher BY1 is cheap and good. Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to > paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: >> Ok >> So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? >> With the k3 of course. >> >>> On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills wrote: >>> >>> And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even >>> if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX >>> operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, >>> name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you >>> get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough >>> English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. >>> >>> 73 de Ray >>> K2ULR >>> KX3 #211 >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: >>>> >>>> If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: >>>> >>>> 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. >>>> Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing >>>> it. >>>> 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW >>>> like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. >>>> >>>> You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. >>>> No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. >>>> >>>> >>>> Leroy AB7CE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: >>>>> Hi >>>>> Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've >>>>> been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the >>>>> K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only >>>>> know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been >>>>> on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. >>>>> Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs >>>>> from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me >>>>> to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes >>>>> around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. >>>>> 73's Tom >>>>> va2fsq.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Mon Dec 1 02:18:02 2014 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:18:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547C0526.6010406@comcast.net> References: <0NFV00L9ELDYR0A0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <084CB873-166B-4CB0-A122-1A736A18B354@tx.rr.com> <009c01d00d1e$cf5616d0$6e024470$@mt.net> <547BF1A8.3020608@audiosystemsgroup.com> <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <547C0526.6010406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1417418282479-7595290.post@n2.nabble.com> I couldn't agree more. I'm glad I finally discovered the single-lever paddle after more than ten years of struggling with iambic. It is so much easier to use the single-lever and it is much more forgiving for small timing errors. I wrote about it on my blog some time ago: http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/06/the-advantage-of-single-lever-paddle.html After that I got the tiny Palm single-lever paddle. Barry K3NDM wrote > Tom, > As a beginner, don't get hung up on iambic. ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-and-CQ-CW-contest-tp7595261p7595290.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 02:56:33 2014 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:56:33 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <4B107A6C-BFF0-48C7-AB9F-E256168DC6A9@gmail.com> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <4B107A6C-BFF0-48C7-AB9F-E256168DC6A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Go with a paddle and electronic keyer, or use the inbuilt rig keyer, Iambic or not is up to you, also Mode A or B whichever feels comfortable. You can play with the straight if you wish key when you know how good CW sounds. Most important... LISTEN to what good CW sounds like, using programs such as "Koch Trainer", "Just Learn Morse Code" and "Morse Runner" for contest practice. Lots of good CW on air but also lots of VERY poor CW, spacing is important. Good luck... 73, Denis F5VJC On 1 December 2014 at 08:08, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I don't agree. How does a straight key help you achieve proper spacing? > Some of the worst sending I've ever heard comes from straight keys. Just > get a paddle and let the keyer do its job. Your job will be to pay > attention to the letter and word spacing. > Also, as others have said, don't get an expensive paddle until you have > enough experience to know what you want. The old Bencher BY1 is cheap and > good. > > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > > > On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > > > A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to > > paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > >> On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > >> Ok > >> So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best > key to start with? > >> With the k3 of course. > >> > >>> On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > >>> > >>> And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even > >>> if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX > >>> operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, > >>> name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you > >>> get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough > >>> English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. > >>> > >>> 73 de Ray > >>> K2ULR > >>> KX3 #211 > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: > >>>> > >>>> If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. > >>>> Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing > >>>> it. > >>>> 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW > >>>> like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. > >>>> > >>>> You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. > >>>> No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Leroy AB7CE > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: > >>>>> Hi > >>>>> Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've > >>>>> been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the > >>>>> K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only > >>>>> know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been > >>>>> on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. > >>>>> Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs > >>>>> from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me > >>>>> to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes > >>>>> around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. > >>>>> 73's Tom > >>>>> va2fsq.com > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From droese at necg.de Mon Dec 1 03:10:02 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:10:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <4B107A6C-BFF0-48C7-AB9F-E256168DC6A9@gmail.com> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <4B107A6C-BFF0-48C7-AB9F-E256168DC6A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547C225A.5000201@necg.de> I'll second that. Propoer spacing is completely independent from the key used, it's a matter of OP skills! I had at least 2 guys calling me last weekend in CQ WW using a hand-key that I simply had to send elsewhere as their CW was not understandable at all, completely weired spacing! A friend of mine is just learning CW and started right away with a paddle. He feels much more comfortable with it after trying both, hand-key and paddle. Sure just a matter of personal preference. @Tom: Try both, hand-key and paddle and then decide for *youself* which one you like most. Or simply use both. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 01.12.2014 08:08, schrieb Vic Rosenthal: > I don't agree. How does a straight key help you achieve proper spacing? Some of the worst sending I've ever heard comes from straight keys. Just get a paddle and let the keyer do its job. Your job will be to pay attention to the letter and word spacing. > Also, as others have said, don't get an expensive paddle until you have enough experience to know what you want. The old Bencher BY1 is cheap and good. > > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >> A straight key ... any quality straight key. Don't move to >> paddles or a bug until you learn proper timing/spacing. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 2014-11-30 10:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: >>> Ok >>> So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? >>> With the k3 of course. >>> >>>> On Nov 30, 2014 10:04 PM, Ray Sills wrote: >>>> >>>> And, don't forget that CW is almost an international language. Even >>>> if you don't speak any of the many foreign languages, most DX >>>> operators understand the characters that we use for a QSO... QTH, >>>> name, WX, RST. And when it's a DX station running... well, all you >>>> get is your call and report (5nn). Many DX operators know enough >>>> English to do the same in voice, but not all. CW fills in that gap. >>>> >>>> 73 de Ray >>>> K2ULR >>>> KX3 #211 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:08 PM, lmarion wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you want to work more DX than you ever thought possible: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Learn enough CW to do basic exchanges. >>>>> Your speed and proficiency will increase dramatically by just doing >>>>> it. >>>>> 2. Get on 30 meters. Other countries have not abandoned CW >>>>> like the USA has. You will work DX after DX station. >>>>> >>>>> You can even call CQ with QRP power and work stations worldwide. >>>>> No need to wait for contests with their special rules and pileups. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Leroy AB7CE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 18:32 -0500, Tom Blahovici wrote: >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've >>>>>> been on the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the >>>>>> K3's built in CW decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only >>>>>> know the letters CQ 5NN TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been >>>>>> on CW before so all DXCC's were 'new'. >>>>>> Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs >>>>>> from around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me >>>>>> to CW. Now I want to learn it so the next time the contest comes >>>>>> around I'll enjoy it that much more. Was a blast. >>>>>> 73's Tom >>>>>> va2fsq.com >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From droese at necg.de Mon Dec 1 03:11:57 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?B?T2xpdmVyIERyw7ZzZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:11:57 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <0NFV00GI2Q28S1B0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NFV00GI2Q28S1B0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <547C22CD.3080807@necg.de> Hi Tom, > Also one thing I noticed with the decode. 9 out of 10 times the station returned my call, the first letter was decoded incorrectly, and no, I did send a V. > 73's Tom certainly due to clipping the first letter on their side, i.e. not fast enough relays in PA stages, etc. It's a quite common problem ... :-( 73, Olli - DH8BQA From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Dec 1 03:17:55 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:17:55 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW Message-ID: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> I still have my original straight key that I bought in 1958 when I was practising for my Novice. I didn't have the luxury of a code machine to send my practise sessions (cassettes had not been invented) so either I listened on my little 3-tube receiver or I spent hours sending to myself. I think that resulted in a pretty good "fist". In the day I could send 18-20wpm easily with the straight key. I guess I favor learning with a straight key. Learning what proper sounding CW sounds like one should use tapes or practise programs. Do an hour a day for a month and you will absorb it. Many years later I bought a Bencher-2 but never got very good results as the K3 keyer only does Iambic. I guess I am too set in my ways wanting to control the dots and dashes to get hang of Iambic. I should say I was off CW for decades so having to get back into it. My straight keying is a little rusty and not as smooth as I used to do, but In time it'll come back. I wonder if there are any keyers that just work like a bug but using a paddle? I tried CW skimmer and the K3 CW text decoder but I'm not too impressed as it takes strong, very clean signal to work well. Brain works better. For CW-eme I set up some message scripts where I fill in the other stations call sign and let the computer send. Eme keeps one quite busy keeping the antenna pointed, tuning Doppler shift, and listening to extremely weak signals. Having the transmitting time to fulfill these other tasks without being tied to the key helps a lot. Of course I may still need to send a non-standard reply so the old straight key is right handy. Setting the spring tension and gap for fast CW is required using a straight key-most beginners have too wide a gap setting. Motion of the hand is in the wrist moving up/down with fingers lightly touching the key. Beginners usually try taping the key. I can see repetitive motion stress being a problem especially for us older hams. Why I like computer keying for repetitive calling. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From droese at necg.de Mon Dec 1 03:23:37 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:23:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - First 2 meter CW contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547C2589.1070303@necg.de> Congrats Jim! Also thanks for our 10 m QSO last weekend! ;-) Did you use your KX3 or something bigger? Wayne did a great job with the new firmware, SSB output is up to almost 3 watts now but only with COMP off. As soon as you turn COMP on output power drops down to 1 watt again until you "turn all lights on", i.e. push COMP to a full 30. Even then output is only 2.2 watts then. Suppose Wayne will take a look at it again this week. Problem is it seems he cannot reproduce it while we have 2 units here showing the same behaviour. Doesn't make things easier but Wayne would not be Wayne if ... ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 29.11.2014 22:59, schrieb Jim's Desktop: > Just finished a 15 mile CW QSO on 144 MHz using the KX3's internal 2 > meter transverter. Antenna on my end was a Ringo Ranger (vertically > polarized) only 12 feet off the ground and the antenna on his end was > also a Ringo Ranger but his was on a real short (6 foot) ground > mounted mast. There is quite a bit of hilly terrain between us and > signals were only 539 both ways but with the low noise on the band > copy was real easy. We tried SSB but I don't have the latest Field > Test firmware in my KX3 and the transverter is putting out maybe a > watt on SSB. It does the full 3.0 watts on CW. Also as previously > reported, CW using the internal keyer is kind of messed up. It misses > character elements and gets choppy at times. I didn't have time to > try external keying with my bug but that will come in another test > tomorrow. > > Jim - W0EB > Park City, KS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From droese at necg.de Mon Dec 1 03:29:31 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:29:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] K3: Help! No output on 80m CW In-Reply-To: <72d0d29066a58.5478f373@videotron.ca> References: <0NFS00A2Z449LS50@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> <5479307E.4090402@foothill.net> <7400945e62e94.5478ec5c@videotron.ca> <801F0346-741E-431B-8A8A-DD70A3752750@n6nul.org> <73f0b98262d81.547938c9@videotron.ca> <73308e5f664a9.54793905@videotron.ca> <7400f23b60ab3.54793942@videotron.ca> <72e0d17e67723.5479397e@videotron.ca> <737093bc64710.547939ba@videotron.ca> <72d0d29066a58.5478f373@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <547C26EB.4000609@necg.de> Hi Tom, sounds like a problem with either your antenna (or coax or connectors) or maybe RF in the shack? A friend of mine had a similar problem (only on 160 m) and it turned out the KAT500 picked up RF through one of the cables connected that drove the KAT500 internal frequency counter nuts. A few ferrits solved the problem. 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 29.11.2014 04:13, schrieb tomb18 at videotron.ca: > >> Ok more detail. If I set Tune power to 30w and then press Tune, then with the KAT500 in manual it will tune down to 1.2:1. HOWEVER, if I leave it there with the tune power on,the KAT 500 starts showing 1.2, three seconds later, an bunch of relays click, the power SWR scale lights up, the fault line comes on. Then all of a sudden, it is steady again. Shows 1.2:1.. Three seconds later it all repeats. Now if I do it with CW, same thing is happening although it's more difficult to see what's going on due to the intermittent signal.. So it's something with the KAT500 and the antenna. But, voice is perfectly fine! From droese at necg.de Mon Dec 1 03:31:34 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?B?T2xpdmVyIERyw7ZzZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:31:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question In-Reply-To: <0NFT00E805IFPH00@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NFT00E805IFPH00@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <547C2766.2040706@necg.de> Sounds like the frequency counter detects "new" frequencies and switches over to the settings stored for that new frequency (that's why you hear the relays clicking). Or it is going into self-protecting mode ... 73, Olli Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 29.11.2014 16:54, schrieb Tom Blahovici: > Hi > Yes erased the 80m and then did a bunch of tunes across the band, all OK. However,, if I then provide a carrier for more than 3 seconds on a tuned frequency the kat500 starts flipping relays and then goes back to steady only to keep repeating itself. > In manual mode. That is not supposed to happen in manual mode as far as I am aware. > > On Nov 29, 2014 10:11 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >> All full search tunes, whether started by manually pressing the TUNE button or an SWR-based autotune, store the tuning solution in memory. >> >> I'd suggest you erase the tuner settings for 20 meters on the affected antenna connector KAT500 Utility configuration tab) and "train" the tuner by pressing TUNE and provide a 20 watt tune signal on a few frequencies across the band. You don't want remnants of the erroneous settings in those memories, or you'll keep finding them. >> >> Then leave the ATU in mode MAN so that it selects from previously found tuning solutions as you QSY across the band. >> >> As for how you got there - I can speculate, but I don't know anything about your path from ATU to antennas. It probably matched a different impedance at some point in the past. I might get that result here by having an external antenna switch in the wrong position and use the KAT500 to match my 15 meter beam on 20 meters, and then change my antenna switch. >> >> You probably don't want the ATU in mode AUTO very often. After antenna configuration changes, erase the tuner memories on the affected bands, and tune at a few spots on the band. Then let the ATU choose from those settings by frequency, which it will do in mode MAN. >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> >> >>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 06:17, wrote: >>> >>> Our KAT500 (used with K3 and KPA500) seems to have forgotten its correct memories for the 20 m band or maybe developed new erroneous memories. It gives me 14 to 1 on autotune. If I set it on manual and do a tune it reads 1.2 to 1. So here is the question: if I do manual tunes every so many MHz across the band will those go into memory, or is the memory based only on autotunes? >>> >>> Also, any idea how this happened? >>> >>> THANKS! >>> Julie KT4JR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From droese at necg.de Mon Dec 1 03:34:15 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:34:15 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] VOX SET Command? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547C2807.6050503@necg.de> Hi Randy, doesn't the KX3 store VOX status per mode anyway? Never tried myself with DATA but know for sure it does for CW, i.e. CW has VOX on while SSB has not and keeps it like this when switching between modes. That would make a command obsolete. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 29.11.2014 02:16, schrieb Randy Diddel: > Good evening, night, day, etc. > > > I have been working hard on getting my KX3 programmed to switch between > voice and digital modes using a string of commands assigned to PF1 and > PF2. I have them working perfectly except for setting VOX to ON for data > modes. In the programmer's manual from Elecraft, it states that "A SET > version of the command is planned." Has this been implemented? Does > anyone know the syntax? > > For those interested here are the two strings: > > For Data: MD6;PA0;MG005;AG001;DT0;BW0400;PC12;PC015;ML000; > For Voice: MD2;MG005;BW0240;SWH34;PA1;ML000;AG040;PC110;PA0; > > These really help out as I can be working JT65 and see a new one on the > clusters, switch over, and jump in the side band pile up. VOX works best > with WSJT-X and my specific configuration-that is why it would be good to > have a bit to set it ON in the string listed above and a bit to switch it > off when I switch to voice mode. > > > 73 > > K5RHD > > /randy > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 1 03:44:39 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 00:44:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - First 2 meter CW contact In-Reply-To: <547C2589.1070303@necg.de> References: <547C2589.1070303@necg.de> Message-ID: <547C2A77.1000309@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/1/2014 12:23 AM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > Also thanks for our 10 m QSO last weekend! ;-) Did you use your KX3 or > something bigger? Thank you too. K3s driving 35 year old Ten Tec Titan amps (a pair of each for SO2R) to legal limit (1.5 kW). 3-el SteppIR up 120 ft on 20-10, wire dipoles up 140 ft on 80 and 40. Photos of SteppIR on qrz page. 73, Jim K9YC From wb5xx at suddenlink.net Mon Dec 1 05:45:03 2014 From: wb5xx at suddenlink.net (George) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:45:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale P3/SVGA Message-ID: P3 has been sold.Thanks to all who responded.George wb5xx From joel.b.black at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 06:36:14 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:36:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <4B5C39BA-B12E-4E75-9C15-C09AA26879BC@gmail.com> Ed et al., My opinions usually rub someone wrong, so take them as they are - one man?s opinions about what he has observed in his short time as an amateur operator. K1EL makes a kit that will let you set it up in ?bug? mode. I assume his Winkeyer does the same. I have been reluctant to jump in this conversation as I am a QRS op still. I got interested in CW about two years ago. I had learned it to upgrade to Tech Plus and then General 20 or so years ago and then promptly put the key away and I am still kicking myself. I can copy a lot of what is sent at 18 - 20 WPM, but I am comfortable at about 15 - 17 WPM. Not really fast enough for a long QSO. Once I get the call, I can copy standard exchanges pretty fast (i.e. 5NN, TU, 73). I do *not* like ?cut? numbers like ?T? for ?0.? That messes with my head and I try to figure out what the crap ?1TT" means and have missed part of the exchange. I understand *why* it?s done. That doesn?t mean I like it or that I?m going to change it. When I first got interested a couple of years ago, I think it was this group (Elecraft) that put me on CW Ops. I took a course during the summer of 2012. If I practiced an hour a day, every day, I?d have my speed up where I?d like to be, but I haven?t practiced. I do well enough to copy calls and 5NN from DX ops, but for longer contacts, my mind wanders and I stop decoding. I have tried typing stuff out and that helps some. CW Ops will want you to head copy and learn words. I like this approach, but I?m not there yet. I have a hard time remembering what is spoken to me in regular conversation. :) There are CW-oriented groups around too - SKCC (Straight Key Century Club skccgroup.com ) is one. Another is FISTS (fistsna.org although I?m not a member) and there?s also NAQCC (North American QRP CW Club naqcc.info). There are a lot of QRS ops in SKCC. You don?t have to be a member to work one of the members, you just won?t have a ?number? to exchange. SKCC, as the name implies, is a straight key club. They also allow the use of bugs and cootie (sideswiper) keys. Their focus is on manual sending of CW, but it would be rare that the regular ops in that club would shun you. I like sending with a bug - kind of a nostalgia thing to me. I?m not particularly great at it, but I?ve heard much worse. NAQCC is another specialized club in that they want you to be QRP. Unless you?re an experienced op, or unless you are patient, this club might not be for you. It is kind of a purist club with CW only (paddles are allowed), but they award more points for their sprints based on different criteria. They prefer that you use a wire antenna. However, they have a list of QRS nets on their website: http://naqcc.info/cw_nets.html . Just tune around and listen. Their nets are *not* necessarily QRP. They want folks to check in and practice. My opinion is that ?on-the-air? practice is good. You get to experience all of the conditions in real time. I prefer a single-lever paddle to Iambic. When I *first* learned CW 20 years ago, everyone I knew used a set of Bencher paddles. I didn?t know any different and the Internet was still a dial-up connection to AOL for me. I didn?t know enough even to ask questions. When I got back into CW a couple of years ago, I started reading a lot. I read some history of CW and the progression from straight key to bug (or cootie) up to Iambic paddles. Along the way, the single-lever paddle came up. I bought one and loved it. I *never* got the hang of Iambic operation and *much* prefer a single-lever paddle - to each his own. Because of the way the single-lever mechanism works, it?s been my experience that you?ll pay a little more for that configuration. I just thought of something else? CWOps will stress *accurate* keying not *fast* keying. If you?re a fast op who makes lots of mistakes and repeats, you could wind up being as slow as the QRS op who is accurate. There?s also a book out there - I think it?s called The Art and Skill of Radio-Telegraphy. I originally laughed when I heard about a book on learning CW. Well, it?s a good read and is available for free as a PDF from many many places. Here is a link: http://www.tasrt.ca/TASRTVersions/TASRT.pdf . 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Dec 1, 2014, at 2:17 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > I still have my original straight key that I bought in 1958 when I was practising for my Novice. I didn't have the luxury of a code machine to send my practise sessions (cassettes had not been invented) so either I listened on my little 3-tube receiver or I spent hours sending to myself. I think that resulted in a pretty good "fist". In the day I could send 18-20wpm easily with the straight key. I guess I favor learning with a straight key. Learning what proper sounding CW sounds like one should use tapes or practise programs. Do an hour a day for a month and you will absorb it. > > Many years later I bought a Bencher-2 but never got very good results as the K3 keyer only does Iambic. I guess I am too set in my ways wanting to control the dots and dashes to get hang of Iambic. I should say I was off CW for decades so having to get back into it. My straight keying is a little rusty and not as smooth as I used to do, but In time it'll come back. I wonder if there are any keyers that just work like a bug but using a paddle? > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon Dec 1 07:35:32 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 - Q4, Q5 resistance check In-Reply-To: <547B61B8.2070901@embarqmail.com> References: <547B61B8.2070901@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1111640541.2180826.1417437332757.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10960.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Hello Don, Thanks, I discovered something interesting and making me laugh. I switched the DMM from the 20k to 200k range and got the right resistance?>10k.? The KX1 now delivers 4 W at 20m and 3 W at 40m according to my LP100A.? My next step is the construction of the KXB3080 module. Thanks for your help. 73 Johnny?VR2XMC ? ???? Don Wilhelm ???? Johnny Siu ; "don at w3fpr.com" ; Elecraft ????? 2014?12?1? (??) 2:28 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KX1 - Q4, Q5 resistance check Johnny, Those changes would not make a significant difference in the readings except for the Q6 base to ground measurement. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/30/2014 10:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Don, > Thanks.? I was given an application note Rev B, April 2006.? The R11 and R30 were replaced by 4.7 ohm and 33 ohm respectively. > I followed this note and replaced these two resistors instead of the values mentioned in KX1 Owner's Manual May 2010. > Is this matter the resistance check? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC >? ? ? ? ???? Don Wilhelm >? ???? Johnny Siu ; Elecraft >? ????? 2014?11?30? (??) 10:24 PM >? ??? Re: [Elecraft] KX1 - Q4, Q5 resistance check >? ? > Johnny, > > That is too low.? Check the value of R24, R9, R27, R11 and R10. Check > carefully for any solder bridges. > You might also want to try new batteries in your DMM and try reversing > the leads on your DMM just in case its polarity is reversed from normal. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > On 11/30/2014 9:11 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> Hello KX1 builders, >> The construction of KX1 runs all ok up to page 54.? However, the resistance check for Q4 base and collector, Q5 base only give 5.6k resistance towards ground instead of >10k as mentioned in the manual. >> Please advise whether this is still ok.? I would like to make sure that before going to alignment & test - part III. >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMC >> > > >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 1 08:41:22 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:41:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <547BE515.1060805@foothill.net> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE515.1060805@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1417441282.16239.163.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I agree totally, skip the manual key, it's 2014, and you own a really hot radio, skip the 1890 technology, and get a paddle... Best is a Vibroplex... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 19:48 -0800, Fred Jensen wrote: > Tom ... get a paddle and plug it into your K3! Many will tell you you > need to start with a straight key, and only when you're competent can > you actually try out a paddle. You will find they are universally old, > as am I, but get a paddle, plug it in and send! > > I use the Bencher HexKey from Elecraft at home, my field radio uses a > little paddle from American Morse Equipment ... other than the checks > I've written, I have no financial interest, etc, etc. I have a couple > of standard Benchers too, one I use left handed on the Winkey. > > I've used several of the "high end" paddles [not mine] and they are very > smooth and easy. That's probably not your goal right now, give it time > and practice and maybe it will be. > > Welcome to the world of Morse!! > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > > > On 11/30/2014 7:27 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > > Ok > > So I'm sure this is going to get a lot of opinions... What's the best key to start with? > > With the k3 of course. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 1 08:44:32 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:44:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <9cala09uccm474j0wgo2joob.1417408618905@email.android.com> References: <9cala09uccm474j0wgo2joob.1417408618905@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1417441472.16239.165.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Found in this thread: >I can't use a straight key any more for more than 20 minutes without a >lot of pain. Yes, get a straight key, there is a great reason for one.... Start out with a Paddle... I wish I had... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 20:36 -0800, Eric Norris wrote: > GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 1 08:46:46 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> There are alternatives to Iambic keying. One way is to use a single lever paddle which makes it impossible to send those alternating dit/dah sequences that I cannot work with correctly due to some 'finger habits' that I learned when using a bug. Another way is to get a K1EL keyer (or Winkeyer) and try out the various modes he has built in. They do have a bug mode, but I have trouble with that one because there is no control between the string of dits and the timing of the manual dashes, when used with dual lever paddles. It would probably be OK with a single lever paddle, but I have not tried it that way. With dual lever paddles, I prefer Ultimatic mode. That mode sends a string of the last paddle closed, which means you can use dit or dah insertion as well. If you are just starting out, you may want to learn to send with dual lever paddles in Iambic (A or B your choice) and learn the squeeze sequences as well. That should help you when you get up to speeds above 30 wpm. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/1/2014 3:17 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > Many years later I bought a Bencher-2 but never got very good results > as the K3 keyer only does Iambic. I guess I am too set in my ways > wanting to control the dots and dashes to get hang of Iambic. I > should say I was off CW for decades so having to get back into it. My > straight keying is a little rusty and not as smooth as I used to do, > but In time it'll come back. I wonder if there are any keyers that > just work like a bug but using a paddle? > From dmb at lightstream.net Mon Dec 1 08:52:43 2014 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <0NFV00L9ELDYR0A0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NFV00L9ELDYR0A0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54088.71.74.118.201.1417441963.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Tom, Congratulations on your discovery of CW, and on your desire to learn it and use it. I've been using CW for about 48 years now for about 90% my operating. Tons of fun! But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with another station. When conditions are poor, or your signal is weak, it has much value as a delimiter or announcement that you are about to send your call. This used to be standard practice for years, but unfortunately appears to have become optional. I have no idea why; it's so short, and easy to send... 73, and have fun! DE WA8SRA (Dale) > Hi > Just thought I'd drop a note about the Elecraft CW decoder. I've been on > the air for a number of hours hunting new DXCC's with the K3's built in CW > decoder. This was my first time using CW, I only know the letters CQ 5NN > TU and that's it! ( OK E also) Never been on CW before so all DXCC's were > 'new'. > Armed with that and a spotting program I racked up 50 new dxccs from > around the world. This was a new experience and introduced me to CW. Now I > want to learn it so the next time the contest comes around I'll enjoy it > that much more. Was a blast. > 73's Tom > va2fsq.com > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmb at lightstream.net > From greenacres113 at charter.net Mon Dec 1 09:03:43 2014 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (r miles) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:03:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Learning CW Message-ID: <1adfa441.81f02.14a062a01a4.Webtop.49@charter.net> Just my opinion guys....... Most radios have an electronic keyer built in . My K3 does & I use it. So it's straight key [ UGH] or electronic key. If you want to send the letter A. It's DIT DAH. With a keyer it's tap one side then the other. The keyer sends DIT with the proper spacing & then DAH. With a straight key anyone sending especially if they're just learning will send five As & every one will have different spacing & DAHs of a different time length. Why not just start with electronic keying. You can even use the keyboard to send. Receiving or copying code is the real job. I've been on CW 55 yr.s. I can still 'head copy' 45 WPM but so what. A person making a contact with another CW stn. at 10 WPM is having just as much pleasure as a contact at 40 WPM. I speak a little Spanish. Very little. But I speak another language. CW. From the time I was 13 yr.s old I've felt I speak a language other than English. Sense of pride in that. If you want to use machines to work CW that's how you see it. Like JT65 or RTTY. Machines doing the work. Nothing wrong with that. If you want to actually send CW why waste yr.s on an old way of sending when the modern way is easier & easier on the ears of those copying your CW. In my opinion if you really want to learn to send get an electronic key & use the keyer built into your radio. You can practice off air. If you want to later try nostaligic straight keys at least you will know what letters should sound like on CW. You can match your straight key sending to what you know the CW should sound like. My opinion. K9IL From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 1 09:06:26 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> On 2014-12-01 8:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > If you are just starting out, you may want to learn to send with > dual lever paddles in Iambic (A or B your choice) and learn the > squeeze sequences as well. That should help you when you get up to > speeds above 30 wpm. *IF* one must start out with paddles/keyer, learn on Iambic A. Iambic B was a logic error in the AccuKeyer and simply covers up sloppy (slow) paddle operation. There are really three Iambic modes - based on where the trailing element decision is made: Iambic A which makes the decision at the end of the current element. If the other paddle is closed at the end of a dit, the keyer adds a dah. If the other paddle is closed at the end of a dah, the keyer adds a dit. Iambic B makes the decision at the *beginning* of the current element. If both paddles are closed at the beginning of a dit, the keyer sends dit-dah. If both paddles are closed at the beginning of a dah, the keyer sends dah-dit. CMOS Super Keyer (Logikeyer) makes the decision *one dit time into* the current character. If the current element is a dit and both paddles are closed at the end of the dit, the keyer adds a dah. If the current element is a dah and both paddles are closed 1/3 of the way through the dah, the keyer adds a dit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From Lothar at Erding-Mail.de Mon Dec 1 09:27:53 2014 From: Lothar at Erding-Mail.de (Lothar Sack) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:27:53 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-Utility feature request Message-ID: <547C7AE9.9080300@Erding-Mail.de> I used the K3-utility in parallel to my contest-program. Its "terminal" is really helpful to read the decoded rtty and cw while it already disappeared out of the display of the K3. My K3 often decodes rtty better than my contest-program. For possible post-contest comparing I want to store the whole decoded text of one contest. That is helpful, especially in rtty. Instead of CTRL-A and CTRL-C ... it would be nice to have a button in the utility-program to store all text at once. Additional Question: Is there a limit for the amount of decoded text in the utility, because my utility hang up after a couple of hours. Is there a chance to get this and are others interested too? 73 Lothar, DJ8EW From w0eb at cox.net Mon Dec 1 09:50:17 2014 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Monthly "Bug dot stabilizer" infomercial -- Message-ID: Attention CW "Bug" users. Just a short reminder if you're experiencing "scratchy" dot problems due to contact bounce on your bug, I've resurrected Ted McElroy's mechanical "Dot Stabilizer" which, when installed and properly adjusted, helps eliminate around 90 percent of this problem. Doesn't wear out and gives more positive control than a piece of foam inserted in the movable contact. It can be easily installed (and removed if you sell the key and want to keep the stabilizer for another one). It works by placing a very small amount of tension on the moving dot contact to prevent bounce as the contacts separate which is the primary cause of the problem. I make them for all the popular makes & models currently available including the ones with the flat pendulum arms. I even have the dimensions for the Metric sized pendulums, both round and flat. Contact me off list please w0eb at cox.net for pricing or further information. Jim - W0EB From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Dec 1 11:26:46 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:26:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547BF1A8.3020608@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <084CB873-166B-4CB0-A122-1A736A18B354@tx.rr.com> <009c01d00d1e$cf5616d0$6e024470$@mt.net> <547BF1A8.3020608@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <547C96C6.5000008@foothill.net> On 11/30/2014 8:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,11/30/2014 8:25 PM, Leroy Marion wrote: >> Does not a paddle and keyer give you perfect timing? Not quite. Refer to Page 40 of the October 1949 issue of QST for the definitive work on spacing in International Morse code. > > It's been nearly 60 years since I went through that. Paddles and keyers > did not exist -- we had "bugs," but did start on straight keys. I've been licensed for a little over 61 years [1953]. I learned on a straight key because that's what there was, I was 13, and couldn't afford a bug. I sat for my code tests [5 WPM, 13 WPM, and 20 WPM] at the FCC office in downtown Los Angeles with the FCC's J-38 screwed to the desk, again because that's what there was. I finally managed $5 for a war surplus J-36 bug built by Lionel of model train fame. It looked like it had gone ashore with the Marines at Iwo Jima, but it worked and the J-38 straight key was screwed to a piece of plywood and migrated to the floor as a PTT foot switch. In 1956, I and two teenage friends built "keyers." 9 or 10 dual triodes, mine weighed about half a brick, and we used our bugs as paddles. Self-completing dots and dashes, nothing else. Iambic hadn't been invented yet. Every Elecraft radio I know about has a modern, 21st century keyer built in. Actually, most every modern radio has had a keyer built in for a dozen years or more. Why would you not use it? > Unless you're a real straight > key "pro," they're far too slow for most on air CW, so if you're going > to learn what you're going to use, I don't see the value in going > through an intermediate step. Precisely! "You *must* start on a straight key" is a litany from old guys who want to make Morse hard for new folks, possibly because it was hard for them. The first time I ever fired a gun was in combat training from the same XM-177 automatic rifle I would carry thereafter. They did not start us out with muzzle loading muskets and black powder. :-) I haven't mastered Iambic, primarily because I've never tried to. Incidentally, I think Iambic-B originally arose as a mistake in an early keyer, I don't remember which one. There are other kinds of keyers, Ultimatic is one, each has its following, pick one or more and begin enjoying another of the many facets of ham radio! Just because I learned on a J-38 61+ years ago does not mean everyone has to do likewise today. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Mon Dec 1 11:29:19 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:29:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> A little late to the party here, but I'll throw in my 2 cents worth. I'm sort of "old school" in favoring becoming proficient with a straight key first before moving to a bug or a keyer. It makes sense: to use a sports analogy, one needs to master the fundamentals before trying to move to fancier stuff. (This was drilled into me by my now SK dad, who was a USCG radio op in WWII. If you can send smoothly enough with a straight key to make the op on the other end think you're using a keyer, you've accomplished something.) That being said, as far as straight keys are concerned, in my book the most "bang for the buck" is the Nye 320 series rectangular base with a Navy knob (the stacked as opposed to single disk arrangement.) The 310 oval base model and the J-38s etc. are nice keys but just not quite as smooth IMHO as the 320. There are better ones but they are a lot more expensive. Next, I'm going to differ here with what I've seen from several recommending the Benchers. I owned one and was never impressed - to me "best bang for the buck" in the paddle category are the Kents (SP-1 single lever, TP-1 twin.) Another possible group of price to performance "sleepers" are the keys and paddles from American Morse Equipment. The Begalis et al may be superior, but I've never had my hands on one to compare. (Note that I tend to be somewhat of a tightwad in going for what will get the job done properly without a bunch of "extras" in features or expense.) 73, Al On Sun November 30 2014 11:05:34 pm Tom Blahovici wrote: > I like the comment about going through an intermediate step... Maybe I'll > look at a paddle instead. So what's this about iambic? What are the types > of paddles out there? > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 1 11:44:38 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - First 2 meter CW contact In-Reply-To: <547C2589.1070303@necg.de> References: <547C2589.1070303@necg.de> Message-ID: <42BD0F26-A3B0-4C98-B788-7FB104706A3C@elecraft.com> Back from the holiday. I'll be looking at the compression issue again this week. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 1, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > > Congrats Jim! > > Also thanks for our 10 m QSO last weekend! ;-) Did you use your KX3 or something bigger? > > Wayne did a great job with the new firmware, SSB output is up to almost 3 watts now but only with COMP off. As soon as you turn COMP on output power drops down to 1 watt again until you "turn all lights on", i.e. push COMP to a full 30. Even then output is only 2.2 watts then. Suppose Wayne will take a look at it again this week. Problem is it seems he cannot reproduce it while we have 2 units here showing the same behaviour. Doesn't make things easier but Wayne would not be Wayne if ... ;-) > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA From docwatt at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 12:02:07 2014 From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:02:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 128, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, I'm in the middle of learning CW. For better or worse, I started with a straight key (Bencher). I've gotten smooth enough to be "computer readable". I'm currently trying to learn paddle sending. I find its very different and at least do far, my error rate is too great to get it on the air. One good source for CW learning materials is Chuck? Adams' site (K7QO.net). His recommendation is to start with a paddle. '73 Tom. KI6NRD K2. #7432 From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 12:02:55 2014 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - First 2 meter CW contact In-Reply-To: <42BD0F26-A3B0-4C98-B788-7FB104706A3C@elecraft.com> References: <547C2589.1070303@necg.de> <42BD0F26-A3B0-4C98-B788-7FB104706A3C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <547C9F3F.2020105@comcast.net> Wayne, With what Olli is doing and saying, what is going to happen to duty cycle and heat dissipation needs? Change of subject. The CQ WWCW contest was this weekend. When I got on Friday night, 40 was filled to overflowing. My kx3 was hearing better than, I infer, a lot of the DX stations. I could really hear through the QRM. What a demo! 73, Barry K3NDM On 12/1/2014 11:44 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Back from the holiday. I'll be looking at the compression issue again this week. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On Dec 1, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > >> Congrats Jim! >> >> Also thanks for our 10 m QSO last weekend! ;-) Did you use your KX3 or something bigger? >> >> Wayne did a great job with the new firmware, SSB output is up to almost 3 watts now but only with COMP off. As soon as you turn COMP on output power drops down to 1 watt again until you "turn all lights on", i.e. push COMP to a full 30. Even then output is only 2.2 watts then. Suppose Wayne will take a look at it again this week. Problem is it seems he cannot reproduce it while we have 2 units here showing the same behaviour. Doesn't make things easier but Wayne would not be Wayne if ... ;-) >> >> 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > From tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 1 12:36:34 2014 From: tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net (Terry) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:36:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> Well not being really old or really new to CW, I take a path of thought that has not been touched on, but trampled all around. I started on a J-38 and I like it and us to this day, but I really prefer my keyer and single lever paddle. I started with the J-38 because that is all I had and keyers were out of sight for me financially. I learned CW with the J-38 but getting to 20 WPM was hard that way. I finally built the accu-keyer from the handbook and got together the money for a Vibroplex paddle. It was single lever because the dual-lever stuff didn't exist at the time. Things happened and I tried the another keyer and dual-lever and never seemed to get the command of CW like I had with the first keyer and single-lever paddle. I tried another keyer or two loaned by others who left CW and had become phone only or near only ops. I found each keyer did things a little differently and each time I had some relearning to do. During this time I had a burglary and my single-lever was among the missing and the dual-lever was the in thing. I got a new keyer and a dual-leveler paddle. I tried and I tried squeeze paddles and I just had too many CW habits by then. I just started using the dual-lever paddles as if they were single-lever ones and the world got pretty good. I also used a variety of rigs with built in keyers and each one seemed to have different charismatics and different things that could be set. I'd have to spend time with each rig to get it to my settings. This was all a pain in my sitting down spot. So I decided to solve that problem once and for all. I decided on one keyer (Super CMOS III Memory Keyer kit version) and one paddle (Single-lever Kent). I just use that combo and set the rig I chose to use for a straight key and go to work. There is no fooling around with settings and I am always in familiar territory. The moral of the story is you tend to like what you first learn. With that in mind, I'd pick one set-up I think would be around for a really long time or one you could maintain and go with that one. Mine has become the Super CMOS keyer and the single-lever Kent. I use it on all of my rigs. For special events I still use the J-38 when I play SK-night and SKCC or FISTS games, all the rest get the Super CMOS Keyer and Kent single-lever combo. Regards & 73, Terry, KQ5U From n5lz at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 12:53:34 2014 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:53:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 'ERR 12' In-Reply-To: <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d00d8f$ba8c84c0$2fa58e40$@net> After about 10 minutes of running 10M CW during the contest yesterday my KPA3 shut down with the "ERR 12" message and it reverted to bypass mode just like the manual says it's supposed to. The KPA3 circuit breaker had not tripped. I opened the box and could see nothing amiss. I removed both leads/connectors on the breaker and tested it .. Not open . put the leads back on after working and repositioning a bit . put it all back together and fired up again.. And all worked fine . The relay was working and the fans were working well at all four speeds..I didn't do much in the contest, but got back on the air and did run for a total of about two hours . all on 10 meters. driving my amp with about 35-40 watts out as usual and CQing for CQWW. Late last evening I fired the rig up again, went to 160 meters and immediately had the same problem on the first keydown . the KPA3 shut down and went into bypass and ERR 12 came up. Again, the breaker was not open. It does not seem to be temperature related as both shutdowns occurred with little to zero prior transmitting . and the fans seem to be kicking on when they're supposed to. This morning I opened the box again but this time removed the KPA3 board to check it out. nothing obvious on inspection. Thinking that it may be a possible connector problem I carefully worked the board back into place and made certain that it was fully seated. Put all back together and, again, everything seemed to work as it should. I then spent about 20 minutes transmitting CW on all bands at 100 watts . there has been no 'ERR 12' up to this point .. The PA temp leveled out about 38-39 degrees C while transmitting. Supply voltage is a solid 13.8V .... and holds at about 12.0V on continuous keydown at 100W. So all seems to be back to working as it should. But something must be amiss and I'm just waiting for it all to happen again. Has anyone had a similar experience? any ideas? I'd appreciate feedback . Thanks in advance, Don, N5LZ From phystad at mac.com Mon Dec 1 13:06:54 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:06:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> My story... Learned CW when I was 9 years old, taught by ham uncle (also a ship radio operator). I used to listen to ham radio operators CW and got my speed up a little bit before I ever got my Novice license so passing that code test was easy-as-pie. As a novice, started with J-38 (I didn't even know that other kinds of keys existed). But, I soon bought a Vibroplex Original, brand new for the cost of about $36 (~1966) as my speed went beyond my capable skills with the J-38. At the finish of my Novice year, I was easily handling both RX/TX at 20+ wpm. Big huge gap of 38 years between my Novice CW activity and getting licensed again in 2004. I was all SSB until 2007 when the "bug" for CW hit me again. How much time to relearn CW? It took two weeks of listening to CW traffic to get my head in gear again after 40 years of not hearing any CW at all. I was up to about 15 wpm after two weeks of one or two hours a day of listening (never used a code practice program). I decided to try my first QSO. I called CQ and got a reply. In the middle of the QSO I got so flustered (using a J-38 again) that I had to abort. I sent my apologies to my contact via e-mail. I just did not practice enough with the J-38. So, practice-practice-practice on the J-38 for another week and I was ready. After a few weeks of nothing but CW contacts on the J-38 I realized that my operating time was limited to my hands sending at about 12 to 13 wpm on the J-38. I just wasn't capable of anything faster. I bought myself a used bencher paddle and started practicing. I liked it right off that bat and my skills got better and now I am back up to about 20 to 22 wpm. I have tried sending at 25 wpm with the paddle but I make more mistakes then I am happy with so I need to spend time on that or learn better techniques. Being self-taught on the paddle there are some skills I am sure have not been honed yet. Oh, I never did learn to do squeeze technique on the paddle and I still don't know what Iambic A or B mean (yes, I have looked that up but I keep forgetting). My main fault that limits my speed skills with the paddle is my limited operating time. I am 90 percent CW but I don't get that much operating time on a daily basis. I had planned to do a lot of activity in this weekend's CQ DX CW contest but missed out due to all kinds of other interruptions. However, thinking back of experiences: in today's world, I would recommend skipping any straight key and learn with a keyer and paddle right from the start. I think straight keys are antiques like tube-based rigs (no flame wars from hollow state players). 73, phil, K7PEH From alsopb at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 1 13:11:49 2014 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:11:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Test mode not kept while adjusting filter offsets Message-ID: <547CAF65.6090806@nc.rr.com> Beware! I was fine tuning filter offsets with the utility program. A noise generator was attached to the antenna terminals. The test mode was selected to prevent damage to the generator. I adjusted the offset and told the firmware program to apply it. It rebooted the K3. Test mode was not maintained. Fortunately I didn't hit the key or anything so no damage. 73 de Brian/K3KO From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Dec 1 13:11:49 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:11:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FWIW, I agree 100% with Dale (below) and with some of the other comments in this thread, based on 57 years of 99.9% CW. Specifically: Although I used a straight key for my novice year (in 1957) and a Vibroplex bug from then until about 10 years ago, I doubt that any of that learning helped my electronic fist when I started using electronic keyers like those in the K3 and the KX3. Although I have been tempted by a Begali, I am hard pressed to explain to myself why I want one (which, truthfully, I do.) Forget the decoder. Learn to copy Morse from its sound. If you are serious about DXing, an experienced brain will be a vastly better discriminator of the almost-identical sounds in a typical non-?up? pile-up than any practical decoder could be, and probably so in any heavy QRM especially where you are constantly using RIT. Without much trouble you?ll learn to follow three or four simultaneous calls - useful for positioning your own. Above all, try NOT to develop a distinctive fist if it makes what you?re sending less comprehensible. Just last week I worked a new (for me) DX station who was using an idiosyncratic way of sending ?R?, which was how he began every transmission after his own call. It went ?DIT [long space] DAAAAH [log space] DIT." It took me ten rounds to realize that his call [disguised here to avoid insulting a station from whom I need a QSL] was XX5YY rather than XX5YYE. SK, de KN1CBR (Ted) > >Message: 17 >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) >From: "dmb at lightstream.net" >To: "Tom Blahovici" >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest >Message-ID: > <54088.71.74.118.201.1417441963.squirrel at mail.expedient.net> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >Tom, > >Congratulations on your discovery of CW, and on your desire to learn it >and use it. I've been using CW for about 48 years now for about 90% my >operating. Tons of fun! > >But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >another station. When conditions are poor, or your signal is weak, it has >much value as a delimiter or announcement that you are about to send your >call. This used to be standard practice for years, but unfortunately >appears to have become optional. I have no idea why; it's so short, and >easy to send... > >73, and have fun! > >DE WA8SRA (Dale) > > > >> From jalleninvest at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 13:16:17 2014 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:16:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> Message-ID: With all the keyers out there, built in and otherwise, there should be no bad CW heard, but as anyone who listens can attest, there is, lots of it. One thing I suggest is copying W1AW code practice, and bulletins once your speed can handle the 18 wpm used for Bulletins. That is "perfect" code, weight, spacing etc., supposedly. Get used to what that sounds like, and imitate it! Code proficiency comes from a combination of talent, effort and want to. Some are so talented they pick it up easily with little effort. Some make an effort, but don't really want to do it, and that impedes progress. Want to overcomes a certain deficiency of talent. 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > My story... > > Learned CW when I was 9 years old, taught by ham uncle (also a ship radio > operator). I used to listen to ham radio operators CW and got my speed up > a little bit before I ever got my Novice license so passing that code test > was easy-as-pie. > > As a novice, started with J-38 (I didn't even know that other kinds of > keys existed). But, I soon bought a Vibroplex Original, brand new for the > cost of about $36 (~1966) as my speed went beyond my capable skills with > the J-38. At the finish of my Novice year, I was easily handling both > RX/TX at 20+ wpm. > > Big huge gap of 38 years between my Novice CW activity and getting > licensed again in 2004. I was all SSB until 2007 when the "bug" for CW hit > me again. How much time to relearn CW? > > It took two weeks of listening to CW traffic to get my head in gear again > after 40 years of not hearing any CW at all. I was up to about 15 wpm > after two weeks of one or two hours a day of listening (never used a code > practice program). I decided to try my first QSO. I called CQ and got a > reply. In the middle of the QSO I got so flustered (using a J-38 again) > that I had to abort. I sent my apologies to my contact via e-mail. I just > did not practice enough with the J-38. > > So, practice-practice-practice on the J-38 for another week and I was > ready. After a few weeks of nothing but CW contacts on the J-38 I realized > that my operating time was limited to my hands sending at about 12 to 13 > wpm on the J-38. I just wasn't capable of anything faster. > > I bought myself a used bencher paddle and started practicing. I liked it > right off that bat and my skills got better and now I am back up to about > 20 to 22 wpm. I have tried sending at 25 wpm with the paddle but I make > more mistakes then I am happy with so I need to spend time on that or learn > better techniques. Being self-taught on the paddle there are some skills I > am sure have not been honed yet. Oh, I never did learn to do squeeze > technique on the paddle and I still don't know what Iambic A or B mean > (yes, I have looked that up but I keep forgetting). > > My main fault that limits my speed skills with the paddle is my limited > operating time. I am 90 percent CW but I don't get that much operating > time on a daily basis. I had planned to do a lot of activity in this > weekend's CQ DX CW contest but missed out due to all kinds of other > interruptions. > > However, thinking back of experiences: in today's world, I would > recommend skipping any straight key and learn with a keyer and paddle right > from the start. I think straight keys are antiques like tube-based rigs > (no flame wars from hollow state players). > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jalleninvest at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 1 13:30:23 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:30:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <54088.71.74.118.201.1417441963.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <0NFV00L9ELDYR0A0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> <54088.71.74.118.201.1417441963.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <547CB3BF.4030803@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface > the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with > another station. NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it wrong. Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. 73, Jim K9YC From w1gql at midcoast.com Mon Dec 1 13:39:05 2014 From: w1gql at midcoast.com (Dave W1GQL) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KX# WILL do single paddle Message-ID: <547CB5C9.14313.1B3F51@w1gql.midcoast.com> I had a 'hint' published in QST a while back. It showed a very simple way to use a dual paddle key as a single paddle. Just tape or glue a small spacer between both paddles that allows each side to make contact freely but does NOT allow both to make contact at the SAME time. Just plug in your paddle in your K3 or KX3 and you're all set. By the way, I have posted twice before and NEVER had a response either time. Dave W1GQL KX3 #3895 From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 1 13:40:10 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW Message-ID: <0NFX00HPJ2J00W50@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Hi everyone. I'm the OP here and I thank everyone who replied. I've had an order of magnitude more mail than I received on the list. I can't answer all of them due to a broken elbow but I thank everyone who replied. Lots to digest, hopefully will be on the air soon. 73's Tom On Dec 1, 2014 1:16 PM, Jim Allen wrote: > > With all the keyers out there, built in and otherwise, there should be no > bad CW heard, but as anyone who listens can attest, there is, lots of it. > > One thing I suggest is copying W1AW code practice, and bulletins once your > speed can handle the 18 wpm used for Bulletins.? That is "perfect" code, > weight, spacing etc., supposedly.? Get used to what that sounds like, and > imitate it! > > Code proficiency comes from a combination of talent, effort and want to. > Some are so talented they pick it up easily with little effort.? Some make > an effort, but don't really want to do it, and that impedes progress.? Want > to overcomes a certain deficiency of talent. > > 73 de W6OGC? Jim Allen > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > > My story... > > > > Learned CW when I was 9 years old, taught by ham uncle (also a ship radio > > operator).? I used to listen to ham radio operators CW and got my speed up > > a little bit before I ever got my Novice license so passing that code test > > was easy-as-pie. > > > > As a novice, started with J-38 (I didn't even know that other kinds of > > keys existed).? But, I soon bought a Vibroplex Original, brand new for the > > cost of about $36 (~1966) as my speed went beyond my capable skills with > > the J-38.? At the finish of my Novice year, I was easily handling both > > RX/TX at 20+ wpm. > > > > Big huge gap of 38 years between my Novice CW activity and getting > > licensed again in 2004.? I was all SSB until 2007 when the "bug" for CW hit > > me again.? How much time to relearn CW? > > > > It took two weeks of listening to CW traffic to get my head in gear again > > after 40 years of not hearing any CW at all.? I was up to about 15 wpm > > after two weeks of one or two hours a day of listening (never used a code > > practice program).? I decided to try my first QSO.? I called CQ and got a > > reply.? In the middle of the QSO I got so flustered (using a J-38 again) > > that I had to abort.? I sent my apologies to my contact via e-mail.? I just > > did not practice enough with the J-38. > > > > So, practice-practice-practice on the J-38 for another week and I was > > ready.? After a few weeks of nothing but CW contacts on the J-38 I realized > > that my operating time was limited to my hands sending at about 12 to 13 > > wpm on the J-38.? I just wasn't capable of anything faster. > > > > I bought myself a used bencher paddle and started practicing.? I liked it > > right off that bat and my skills got better and now I am back up to about > > 20 to 22 wpm.? I have tried sending at 25 wpm with the paddle but I make > > more mistakes then I am happy with so I need to spend time on that or learn > > better techniques.? Being self-taught on the paddle there are some skills I > > am sure have not been honed yet.? Oh, I never did learn to do squeeze > > technique on the paddle and I still don't know what Iambic A or B mean > > (yes, I have looked that up but I keep forgetting). > > > > My main fault that limits my speed skills with the paddle is my limited > > operating time.? I am 90 percent CW but I don't get that much operating > > time on a daily basis.? I had planned to do a lot of activity in this > > weekend's CQ DX CW contest but missed out due to all kinds of other > > interruptions. > > > > However, thinking back of experiences:? in today's world, I would > > recommend skipping any straight key and learn with a keyer and paddle right > > from the start.? I think straight keys are antiques like tube-based rigs > > (no flame wars from hollow state players). > > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jalleninvest at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 13:43:32 2014 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:43:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <1417418282479-7595290.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <0NFV00L9ELDYR0A0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> <0NFV00LZBW9H0I30@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> <547BE5DF.6040601@subich.com> <084CB873-166B-4CB0-A122-1A736A18B354@tx.rr.com> <009c01d00d1e$cf5616d0$6e024470$@mt.net> <547BF1A8.3020608@audiosystemsgroup.com> <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <547C0526.6010406@comcast.net> <1417418282479-7595290.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'm sold on single-lever paddles. I have a handbuilt one from G3YUH, and I have a Kent single-lever that is outstanding. Very smooth to operate and nicely finished. It's my favorite key now. I never could get interested in iambic keying which is more of an affectation than anything useful. The single-lever paddle was a very easy transition from years of using dual-lever paddles. I have two Benchers: chrome and black. The black one I used mobile every day for 5 years when I was active in County Hunting, and traveling every week to the Bay Area from So Cal. It sat on the passenger seat and I keyed it with my right hand (I'm left handed). I never thought to tether it and as a result it occasionally hit the firewall when I had to brake really hard. After 5 years, the only problem was the rivets on the plastic finger pieces loosened. The chrome one uses screws, but the black one has crappy rivets. It's a simple, tough design that is easy to set up and holds adjustment if you don't let it fly around untethered in a vehicle. Starting out, the Benchers would be a good choice. They're a good choice even with experience, but you can find them used fairly cheap and they will give good service for a new CW op until they learn their own preferences. Eric KE6US On 11/30/2014 11:18 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > I couldn't agree more. I'm glad I finally discovered the single-lever paddle > after more than ten years of struggling with iambic. It is so much easier to > use the single-lever and it is much more forgiving for small timing errors. > > I wrote about it on my blog some time ago: > http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/06/the-advantage-of-single-lever-paddle.html > After that I got the tiny Palm single-lever paddle. > > > Barry K3NDM wrote >> Tom, >> As a beginner, don't get hung up on iambic. > > > > > ----- > Sverre, LA3ZA > > K2 #2198, K3 #3391, > LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, > LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-and-CQ-CW-contest-tp7595261p7595290.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From kd7gc at q.com Mon Dec 1 13:54:48 2014 From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:54:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder . . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005d01d00d98$38681640$a93842c0$@com> Begali paddles are more like jewelry than something so plain-jane and ubiquitous as a code key. I send my CW via keyboard now, but I still want to have a number of Begali?s many models on my desk, even though I will probably hardly ever use them. They are simply fantastic! 73 Alan/KD7GC Alan R. Downing Phoenix, AZ From: Dauer, Edward [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7595320h5 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:13 AM To: kd7gc Subject: K3 CW decoder . . . FWIW, I agree 100% with Dale (below) and with some of the other comments in this thread, based on 57 years of 99.9% CW. Specifically: Although I used a straight key for my novice year (in 1957) and a Vibroplex bug from then until about 10 years ago, I doubt that any of that learning helped my electronic fist when I started using electronic keyers like those in the K3 and the KX3. Although I have been tempted by a Begali, I am hard pressed to explain to myself why I want one (which, truthfully, I do.) Forget the decoder. Learn to copy Morse from its sound. If you are serious about DXing, an experienced brain will be a vastly better discriminator of the almost-identical sounds in a typical non-?up? pile-up than any practical decoder could be, and probably so in any heavy QRM especially where you are constantly using RIT. Without much trouble you?ll learn to follow three or four simultaneous calls - useful for positioning your own. Above all, try NOT to develop a distinctive fist if it makes what you?re sending less comprehensible. Just last week I worked a new (for me) DX station who was using an idiosyncratic way of sending ?R?, which was how he began every transmission after his own call. It went ?DIT [long space] DAAAAH [log space] DIT." It took me ten rounds to realize that his call [disguised here to avoid insulting a station from whom I need a QSL] was XX5YY rather than XX5YYE. SK, de KN1CBR (Ted) > >Message: 17 >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) >From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >To: "Tom Blahovici" <[hidden email]> >Cc: [hidden email] >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest >Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >Tom, > >Congratulations on your discovery of CW, and on your desire to learn it >and use it. I've been using CW for about 48 years now for about 90% my >operating. Tons of fun! > >But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >another station. When conditions are poor, or your signal is weak, it has >much value as a delimiter or announcement that you are about to send your >call. This used to be standard practice for years, but unfortunately >appears to have become optional. I have no idea why; it's so short, and >easy to send... > >73, and have fun! > >DE WA8SRA (Dale) > > > >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-tp7595320.html To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-decoder-tp7595320p7595326.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n1al at sonic.net Mon Dec 1 14:01:05 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:01:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <547CBAF1.3090008@sonic.net> On 12/01/2014 09:36 AM, Terry wrote: > > ... I started on a J-38 I do think a straight key is good when you're starting out because it forces you to concentrate on correct timing. One trick to get your timing correct is to set up your code-practice software to send a known text at a slow speed. Using a code practice oscillator, send along with it. You'll get immediate feedback on your timing errors and will soon be sending perfect code. That will stand you in good stead when you then switch to a speed key, either a semi-automatic bug or a fully-automatic keyer. Alan N1AL From K2TK at att.net Mon Dec 1 14:14:27 2014 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:14:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> Message-ID: <547CBE13.50508@att.net> Well we all have our CW learning stories. So here is mine and can be taken as a tip-suggestion-opinion. At 13 in 1956 I signed up for a Novice class at the local radio club, Nutley Amateur Radio Society (Nutley, NJ). When it came time to learn the basics of sending the instructor, W2TJD (SK) made us try to send with the "wrong" hand since we were learning anyway. I'm a lefty so tried right handed. At that point it was equally poor with either hand. But I learned it and over time it was a great advantage as the better hand was free. I could send with one hand and log or do other things with the other. Back in the old days when logs were in the carbon stick and dead tree format it was always interesting to watch at FD etc OPS that only used one hand as they chased the pencil that rolled away when they put it down. Sending CW is not a high dexterity thing like writing or other fine work. Whether you start with a straight key or paddle this is appropriate. Sending CW is a finesse rather than a force mode of doing it. If your chasing the key or paddle around that is excessive force and adding more weight is not the solution. Same goes for it being tiresome or generating pain and discomfort. To much tension and force being used. Think about it, you need movement of only thousands of an inch not the key to move across the desk. Learn to relax and the movement is only slight with the fingers or wrist or combination of the two. Confession time... I hated CW. When my novice expired I got a 5 WPM tech and held it until the mid 60's. I lived in an apartment with an indoor antenna and wanted to get on 10 to participate in the clubs 10 meter net. I struggled through and got to 13 WPM to get a General ticket. I made the net and called CQ on phone until I was blue in the face and never made a contact. 1st CQ on CW was replied to instantly by an SP station. That set the hook and I'd guess I'm 75% CW since. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR & K2TKR From hans.elfelt at me.com Mon Dec 1 14:16:31 2014 From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 20:16:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 w/external PA's Message-ID: The term ?can easily handle from 200mW to 100 watts? suggests that even more than 100 watts is permissible. Does that indicate that even 200 watts from a Palomar TX5300A could be handled by the KAT100 ? OZ5RB, Hans From ronvandoremalen at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 14:31:42 2014 From: ronvandoremalen at hotmail.com (Ron van Doremalen) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CBE13.50508@att.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net><69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> <547CBE13.50508@att.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Only read about sending CW via straight key or paddles. To my opinion the work starts with a good reading ability. Some tips from personal experience: - don't start with low speed CW. It makes you think in dits and dahs instead of sound. - so stay away from the 10WPM wall - start at 12 WPM or even higher. - don't touch a key until you are able to solid copy 12-15WPM and are familiar with the sound. - stay away from plain text until you are able to copy random almost 100%. It prevents ahead reading of what is yet to come. Spacing between letters/words....unless needed stay away from this all it might enable you to start thinking. My CW learning cycle was starting with 8WPM which i managed quite quickly, but trying to get at higher speeds hit the 10WPM wall. With help of some great HAMS with weekly execercises (tapes) and at home drinking too stong coffee i managed to get over the 10WPM wall, passed the 12WPM CW exam for the A (now F) license. The great Hams fooled me as i was already trained at 15 WPM. Exam was easy. Didn't use CW after passing. Stupid but too late. Always had issues with 0-9 characters as i still didn't achieve to unprogram my dits/dahs decyphering. Tried many times to get back to the old skills but my brain wants to decypher still. Try the software of G4FON which lets you learn the characters per character and other real life situations if needed. Ron - PA3FAT -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:14 PM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW Well we all have our CW learning stories. So here is mine and can be taken as a tip-suggestion-opinion. At 13 in 1956 I signed up for a Novice class at the local radio club, Nutley Amateur Radio Society (Nutley, NJ). When it came time to learn the basics of sending the instructor, W2TJD (SK) made us try to send with the "wrong" hand since we were learning anyway. I'm a lefty so tried right handed. At that point it was equally poor with either hand. But I learned it and over time it was a great advantage as the better hand was free. I could send with one hand and log or do other things with the other. Back in the old days when logs were in the carbon stick and dead tree format it was always interesting to watch at FD etc OPS that only used one hand as they chased the pencil that rolled away when they put it down. Sending CW is not a high dexterity thing like writing or other fine work. Whether you start with a straight key or paddle this is appropriate. Sending CW is a finesse rather than a force mode of doing it. If your chasing the key or paddle around that is excessive force and adding more weight is not the solution. Same goes for it being tiresome or generating pain and discomfort. To much tension and force being used. Think about it, you need movement of only thousands of an inch not the key to move across the desk. Learn to relax and the movement is only slight with the fingers or wrist or combination of the two. Confession time... I hated CW. When my novice expired I got a 5 WPM tech and held it until the mid 60's. I lived in an apartment with an indoor antenna and wanted to get on 10 to participate in the clubs 10 meter net. I struggled through and got to 13 WPM to get a General ticket. I made the net and called CQ on phone until I was blue in the face and never made a contact. 1st CQ on CW was replied to instantly by an SP station. That set the hook and I'd guess I'm 75% CW since. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR & K2TKR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ronvandoremalen at hotmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 1 14:38:05 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 w/external PA's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547CC39D.8030306@embarqmail.com> Hans, The KAT100 probably can handle more than 100 watts. BUT it needs the K2 to tell it to tune, report the power and SWR, control the correct relays when changing bands or antennas, etc. In other words, it must connect to the control lines in the K2 AUX IO connector and communicate with the K2 MCU. It is not a stand-alone tuner. The KAT500 *can* be used as a standalone tuner. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/1/2014 2:16 PM, Hans Bonnesen wrote: > The term ?can easily handle from 200mW to 100 watts? suggests that even more than 100 watts is permissible. > Does that indicate that even 200 watts from a Palomar TX5300A could be handled by the KAT100 ? > OZ5RB, Hans > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:01:12 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:01:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices Message-ID: Jim is speaks the truth..... While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place in the "lid" line. 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD, especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ... or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > >> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >> another station. >> > > NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is > running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing > that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone > sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call > -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW > elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters > equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" > and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. > > Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied > correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded > to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it > wrong. > > Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:17:44 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:17:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: > On Dec 1, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Terry wrote: > > The moral of the story is you tend to like what you first learn. That has not been my experience, it probably depends more on what you have to start with. I started out with a Japanese J-38 clone and then later was given a WWII surplus Vibroplex (I still have both of them on the operating desk.) I?m not sure how good I ever was with the bug but I would not subject the airwaves today to my current horrible fist with it! In my case, my first ?electronic? keyer was a homebrew keyer out of the 1960?s Handbook, a pair of 12AU7 tubes IIRC and a paddle made out of a pair of back to back J-38 clones. Well I survived that for a long time and must have been fairly proficient since I operated high level NTS without being banned ;-) Eventually I bought an MFJ keyer and a real paddle (Bencher) and then the K3 with the Bencher. Either one is fine by me but the K3 is of course more convenient. Bottom line, I would never go back to that early Handbook keyer and the back to back J-38s! never! Speaking of bad fists brings back the memories of a certain W8D**. When you heard him on a traffic net, you either laughed or cried. Laughed if someone else had to copy his traffic, cried if you had to copy it! Cliff just sent dots and more dots, you had to figure out which ones should have been dashes because of the extra spacing! > from: phil, K7PEH > However, thinking back of experiences: in today's world, I would recommend skipping any straight key and learn with a keyer and paddle right from the start. I think straight keys are antiques like tube-based rigs (no flame wars from hollow state players). > > Would you really suggest someone starting out at 5 wpm use a paddle and keyer? 73, WA8JXM From southcarolinadolphin at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:29:50 2014 From: southcarolinadolphin at gmail.com (SouthCarolinaDolphin) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:29:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power problems K3 Message-ID: <4AA7DF9A-9D00-4818-A50F-925FB4696475@gmail.com> A friend is using my K3 while his is in the shop When he transmit's on the K-3 running a specific power out he notices that the power especially on RTTY will start at a lower output that what was dialed in and gradually raise its output to the maximum dialed in. This seems to be worse on 15 m. It only appears to happen once then will not repeat on same freq. So if a specific power like 100W is dialed in watching his W-2 watt meter the power may start at 60 watts then ramp up to 100 watts usually on RTTY. Any ideas. Thanks Hugh W4DRH THANK YOU for deleting my address, any other addresses, and personal information, from this e-mail, if you plan to forward it. THANK YOU also for using "Bcc" instead of "To" and "Cc" when initiating both individual and group e-mails. This helps prevent spammers, hackers and radicals from obtaining addresses, and thus the proliferation of spam. From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Dec 1 15:31:25 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:31:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CBE13.50508@att.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> <547CBE13.50508@att.net> Message-ID: <547CD01D.1080001@foothill.net> This is more common than one might think, but only for left-handers it seems. I'm left-handed and my Elmer, W6RMK, was too. He taught me to send with my right hand so I could write legibly in my log. In those days, you logged every transmission, whether or not it resulted in a QSO. A number of years ago, we had a little survey on this list. A total of 137 responded, about 22% south paws. A little more than 50% of those learned to send/paddle right. 0% of the north paws sent/paddled left. From this and answers to some of the other questions in the survey, it appears that most right-handers are *really* right-handed [some even said so]. Left-handers seem to be somewhat more flexible, maybe because we live in a right-handed world. I currently have a second paddle set up left on the WinKey-USB to the left of the laptop which I've started using left-handed in casual QSO's since it's more natural for me and I no longer have to write in my logbook. I still contest with the paddle on the right since I can type faster with my left hand. I'm not hearing all the poor CW others are talking about. In CQ WW CW, I made a note of two: one had the weight set very high and his dots resembled his dashes. Theotheroneforgottherearespacesbetweenwords. Quite a few of the Summits On The Air crowd are learning CW and, while they may make a few more mistakes, there is nothing wrong with their sending. The majority of those ops are using embedded keyers in their rigs. In the end, do what works best for you. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/1/2014 11:14 AM, Bob wrote: > At 13 in 1956 I signed up for a Novice class at the local radio club, > Nutley Amateur Radio Society (Nutley, NJ). When it came time to learn > the basics of sending the instructor, W2TJD (SK) made us try to send > with the "wrong" hand since we were learning anyway. I'm a lefty so > tried right handed. From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:48:34 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles Message-ID: If you find yourself confronted with a paddle that's counter to your "handed ness", simply turn it around 180 degrees and reach over the top to send. 73 - Ken - K0PP From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 15:55:20 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:55:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Learning CW In-Reply-To: <1adfa441.81f02.14a062a01a4.Webtop.49@charter.net> References: <1adfa441.81f02.14a062a01a4.Webtop.49@charter.net> Message-ID: <90390110-EC45-418C-A4F8-0E5553F88D5D@gmail.com> To each his own, whatever you enjoy. But for a different perspective, I certainly enjoy being able to have a longer QSO and ?chat? and do more than just the quickie 599/QTH/73 type of contact. Running 20 wpm lets me do that a lot more readily than running at 10 wpm. 35 wpm is even better because, in my experience, it becomes more like a normal person to person conversation than a very limited slow speed minimal contact. So while I don?t want to discourage anyone from running 10 wpm or whatever they want, I do want to let people know that moving up in speed does open totally new possibilities for CW contacts. 73, Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:03 AM, r miles wrote: > > I can still 'head copy' 45 WPM but so what. A person making a contact with another CW stn. at 10 WPM is having just as much pleasure as a contact at 40 WPM. From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 16:00:45 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> Message-ID: <19D8B47B-7961-4134-A937-8F9DA0E142ED@gmail.com> > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > *IF* one must start out with paddles/keyer, learn on Iambic A. Iambic > B was a logic error in the AccuKeyer and simply covers up sloppy (slow) > paddle operation. > > There are really three Iambic modes - based on where the trailing > element decision is made: Am I missing something? Have I been doing it wrong for years? Yes I have an Iambic paddle and of course the K3 offers Iambic choice BUT I NEVER USE IT. I don?t touch both paddles at the same time, my wrist rocks back and forth and I never squeeze the paddle. Seriously I am asking if I?m doing something wrong. Thanks, Ken WA8JXM From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 1 16:03:24 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:03:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547CD79C.8000207@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/1/2014 12:48 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > If you find yourself confronted with a paddle that's counter to your > "handed ness", simply turn it around 180 degrees and reach over the top to > send. The "handedness of a paddle is nothing more than wiring. Also, many (most?) keyers (including K3 and KX3) have a menu setting to reverse whatever you have. 73, Jim K9YC From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 16:11:06 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:11:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power problems K3 In-Reply-To: <4AA7DF9A-9D00-4818-A50F-925FB4696475@gmail.com> References: <4AA7DF9A-9D00-4818-A50F-925FB4696475@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1417468266869-7595340.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Hugh, If he's using AFSK from a PC there's a few things he'll want to verify. The K3 should be set to digital mode AFSK A? The audio output from his PC should be attached to the K3 line input. The output level of the PC and MIC setting of the K3 should be adjusted so that 4 bars of the K3 ALC meter are solidly lit with the 5th bar flickering. 73, Mike K2MK SouthCarolinaDolphin wrote > A friend is using my K3 while his is in the shop When he transmit's on the > K-3 running a specific power out he notices that the power especially on > RTTY will start at a lower output that what was dialed in and gradually > raise its output to the maximum dialed in. This seems to be worse on 15 m. > It only appears to happen once then will not repeat on same freq. So if a > specific power like 100W is dialed in watching his W-2 watt meter the > power may start at 60 watts then ramp up to 100 watts usually on RTTY. > Any ideas. Thanks > Hugh W4DRH -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-problems-K3-tp7595334p7595340.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w1rg at hotmail.com Mon Dec 1 16:07:21 2014 From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:07:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Getting_Started_With_CW?= Message-ID: You?re not alone. My first experience with paddles was long after having used a ?bug?.. Hence? ? wobble wrist? I have never gotten even remotely adept at ?squeeze keying?? Still screw stuff up with iambic etc. paddles/keyers. Nevertheless, I prefer paddles/keyer to a straight key at anything over about 15 wpm.. 73 Gil, W1RG From: Ken Sent: ?Monday?, ?December? ?1?, ?2014 ?4?:?02? ?PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > *IF* one must start out with paddles/keyer, learn on Iambic A. Iambic > B was a logic error in the AccuKeyer and simply covers up sloppy (slow) > paddle operation. > > There are really three Iambic modes - based on where the trailing > element decision is made: Am I missing something? Have I been doing it wrong for years? Yes I have an Iambic paddle and of course the K3 offers Iambic choice BUT I NEVER USE IT. I don?t touch both paddles at the same time, my wrist rocks back and forth and I never squeeze the paddle. Seriously I am asking if I?m doing something wrong. Thanks, Ken WA8JXM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 1 16:15:22 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150783024.2078830.1417468522677.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10066.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating. Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys. From: Ken G Kopp To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices Jim is speaks the truth..... While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place in the "lid" line. 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. In the contesting arena time is all-important!? Seconds saved count.? FD, especially, brings out every lid-ism.? It's actually easy to have one ... or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number".? Add another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > >> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >> another station. >> > > NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is > running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing > that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone > sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call > -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW > elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters > equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" > and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. > > Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied > correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded > to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it > wrong. > > Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 1 16:28:54 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <19D8B47B-7961-4134-A937-8F9DA0E142ED@gmail.com> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> <19D8B47B-7961-4134-A937-8F9DA0E142ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547CDD96.8070307@subich.com> > Am I missing something? No, with the mention of Iambic, I assumed squeeze technique. If one uses a single lever paddle or "slaps" dual lever paddles, Iambic A/B or Super CMOS are all the same . 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-01 4:00 PM, Ken wrote: > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> *IF* one must start out with paddles/keyer, learn on Iambic A. Iambic >> B was a logic error in the AccuKeyer and simply covers up sloppy (slow) >> paddle operation. >> >> There are really three Iambic modes - based on where the trailing >> element decision is made: > > > Am I missing something? Have I been doing it wrong for years? Yes I have an Iambic paddle and of course the K3 offers Iambic choice BUT I NEVER USE IT. I don?t touch both paddles at the same time, my wrist rocks back and forth and I never squeeze the paddle. > > Seriously I am asking if I?m doing something wrong. > > Thanks, > Ken WA8JXM > > From dmb at lightstream.net Mon Dec 1 16:29:07 2014 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:29:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <547CB3BF.4030803@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0NFV00L9ELDYR0A0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> <54088.71.74.118.201.1417441963.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <547CB3BF.4030803@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <62438.71.74.118.201.1417469347.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Sorry - I wasn't clear. Of course it makes no sense to send "DE" prior to calling anyone if the only thing you're sending is your own call. I was referring mostly to folks who are calling CQ, especially those with a bad fist, and under poor conditions. I've heard stations with an unusual callsign who call CQ, send their call maybe three times with NO spacing between iterations. If you miss the start of the call, it takes a lot of work to sort out the longstringofpossibilitiesfromthemess. By simply sending "CQ CQ CQ DE ..." the DE acts as a heads-up that "here is the start of my call", which gives one a fighting chance. Under good conditions, it's not a problem. I'm not a contester - ever - though I like chasing DX and actually enjoy trying to work out a strategy for pileups. And no, I never send "DE" under those conditions -- or even my callsign again -- unless I know the DX station has it wrong. 73, Dale WA8SRA > On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >> another station. > > NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) > is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start > typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so > when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- > he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, > sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are > time-wasters equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters > use "TU" or "R" and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. > > Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied > correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he > responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think > he got it wrong. > > Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. > > 73, Jim K9YC From Mike at ve3yf.com Mon Dec 1 16:30:29 2014 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:30:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Possible Problem ?? Message-ID: Hi: The title should get your attention. I don't want to get into cross posting so hopefully someone has the same setup as me: K3 - MK2R+ - MMTTY For some strange reason I am having an occasional problem where MMTTY will not unkey the K3 (Hangs). I have to go in and manually click the TX and then TX OFF in MMTTY. This is an occasional glitch and I have no idea where to even look for what is causing the problem. However before upgrading to a K3, the system worked flawlessly, but don't want to blame the K3, just hoping someone has had this issue before. Also it is not an SWR or RF in the shack problem, even does it into a Dummy Load, and does it on all bands I am using FSK, I haven't had the time to dive into DATA-A. Any suggestions would be welcome before I start to pull my hair out. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 1 16:37:56 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:37:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Possible Problem ?? In-Reply-To: <20141201213107.23D8DCE5917@mailman.qth.net> References: <20141201213107.23D8DCE5917@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <547CDFB4.4020305@subich.com> > For some strange reason I am having an occasional problem where > MMTTY will not unkey the K3 (Hangs). I have to go in and manually > click the TX and then TX OFF in MMTTY. Make sure that MMTTY (or any other software - including contest software that wraps around MMTTY) is not using CAT commands (TX; and RX;) and a port signal (RTS) at the same time. *Disable* the *software commands*. The K3 *and many other radios* appear to have a race condition when both hardware and software PTT commands are used at the same time which occasionally leaves the transmitter "stuck on". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-01 4:30 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote: > Hi: > > The title should get your attention. I don't want to get into cross > posting so hopefully someone has the same setup as me: > > K3 - MK2R+ - MMTTY > > For some strange reason I am having an occasional problem where MMTTY > will not unkey the K3 (Hangs). I have to go in and > manually click the TX and then TX OFF in MMTTY. This is an occasional > glitch and I have no idea where to even look for what > is causing the problem. However before upgrading to a K3, the system > worked flawlessly, but don't want to blame the K3, just > hoping someone has had this issue before. > > Also it is not an SWR or RF in the shack problem, even does it into a > Dummy Load, and does it on all bands > > I am using FSK, I haven't had the time to dive into DATA-A. > > Any suggestions would be welcome before I start to pull my hair out. > > > 73 De Mike > VE3YF > > http://www.ve3yf.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 1 16:43:05 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power problems K3 In-Reply-To: <4AA7DF9A-9D00-4818-A50F-925FB4696475@gmail.com> References: <4AA7DF9A-9D00-4818-A50F-925FB4696475@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547CE0E9.4020607@embarqmail.com> Hugh, Does he have enough audio drive to illuminate 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter? If he does not supply sufficient audio to the K3 it will "power hunt" with the results you stated. The power should be adjusted using the power knob and not by adjusting the audio drive. There is another instance where the K3 will start out at a lower power than the requested power, and that is after a bend change or a change in the setting of the power knob. The power will start out low, but quickly come up to the requested level. But then it will stay correct until another band or power level change. IMHO, that behavior is better than spiking the power as some other rigs have a tendency to do. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/1/2014 3:29 PM, SouthCarolinaDolphin wrote: > A friend is using my K3 while his is in the shop When he transmit's on the K-3 running a specific power out he notices that the power especially on RTTY will start at a lower output that what was dialed in and gradually raise its output to the maximum dialed in. This seems to be worse on 15 m. It only appears to happen once then will not repeat on same freq. So if a specific power like 100W is dialed in watching his W-2 watt meter the power may start at 60 watts then ramp up to 100 watts usually on RTTY. > Any ideas. Thanks > Hugh W4DRH > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 1 16:52:33 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:52:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power problems K3 In-Reply-To: <547CE0E9.4020607@embarqmail.com> References: <4AA7DF9A-9D00-4818-A50F-925FB4696475@gmail.com> <547CE0E9.4020607@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <625C9FA1-AB12-4E01-9F3E-0E67E6735930@elecraft.com> He should also re-do the automated 5- and 50-watt power calibration on all bands using K3 Utility and a dummy load. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Hugh, > > Does he have enough audio drive to illuminate 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter? > If he does not supply sufficient audio to the K3 it will "power hunt" with the results you stated. > The power should be adjusted using the power knob and not by adjusting the audio drive. > > There is another instance where the K3 will start out at a lower power than the requested power, and that is after a bend change or a change in the setting of the power knob. The power will start out low, but quickly come up to the requested level. But then it will stay correct until another band or power level change. IMHO, that behavior is better than spiking the power as some other rigs have a tendency to do. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/1/2014 3:29 PM, SouthCarolinaDolphin wrote: >> A friend is using my K3 while his is in the shop When he transmit's on the K-3 running a specific power out he notices that the power especially on RTTY will start at a lower output that what was dialed in and gradually raise its output to the maximum dialed in. This seems to be worse on 15 m. It only appears to happen once then will not repeat on same freq. So if a specific power like 100W is dialed in watching his W-2 watt meter the power may start at 60 watts then ramp up to 100 watts usually on RTTY. >> Any ideas. Thanks >> Hugh W4DRH >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ka9zap at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 17:14:23 2014 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:14:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Calibration of my K3 Message-ID: <547CE83F.2040007@gmail.com> */I had a issue with my K3 and KPA500 after a couple of years where I would get error messages over power input /swr and one other fault intermittently the KPA500 would power hunt slowly building to the final power of 500 w output then fall back to 200 w or so. I did the calibration over and over not seeing any improvement I was told to send in the K3 . I built it from a kit it preformed as advertized as did the Amp until one day this started to happen I want to say after an up date but I can't say which one. What I found that fixed my problem was to *not* use my old Heath Kit Cantanna dummy load and about 4 foot of coax as the dummy load to calibrate my K3 What fixed the issue I screwed on the back of my K3 a Lucas Weinchell 50 watt DC-8 GHz dummy load after using this set up to run the calibration in the K3 Utility problem solved. Its been a year or so and the K3 is driving the KPA500 just like it is supposed to do. Regards Art ka9zap /* He should also re-do the automated 5- and 50-watt power calibration on all bands using K3 Utility and a dummy load. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Hugh, > > Does he have enough audio drive to illuminate 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter? > If he does not supply sufficient audio to the K3 it will "power hunt" with the results you stated. > The power should be adjusted using the power knob and not by adjusting the audio drive. > > There is another instance where the K3 will start out at a lower power than the requested power, and that is after a bend change or a change in the setting of the power knob. The power will start out low, but quickly come up to the requested level. But then it will stay correct until another band or power level change. IMHO, that behavior is better than spiking the power as some other rigs have a tendency to do. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/1/2014 3:29 PM, SouthCarolinaDolphin wrote: >> A friend is using my K3 while his is in the shop When he transmit's on the K-3 running a specific power out he notices that the power especially on RTTY will start at a lower output that what was dialed in and gradually raise its output to the maximum dialed in. This seems to be worse on 15 m. It only appears to happen once then will not repeat on same freq. So if a specific power like 100W is dialed in watching his W-2 watt meter the power may start at 60 watts then ramp up to 100 watts usually on RTTY. >> Any ideas. Thanks >> Hugh W4DRH >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered ton6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered toka9zap at gmail.com From Mike at ve3yf.com Mon Dec 1 18:10:57 2014 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:10:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Possible Problem ?? Message-ID: Well I might have the problem licked. On the advice from Joe & Bill, blanked out the command lines in MMTTY. Only ran a few quick tests and no hanging etc problems. Now to go and work some RTTY on air to see if in fact the problem is gone. Tnx Agn Joe and Bill. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Dec 1 18:21:31 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Keys as jewelry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My Morse fist is better than my typing. I accidentally left out of the paragraph below, in my first post, the fact that I now use a dual paddle Bencher, though I never use the iambic function. Alan?s response, and others?, raise two questions: Putting aside the self-evident virtue of the maxim that ?whoever dies with the most toys, wins,? in what way is a Begali (or equivalent) superior to a much cheaper Bencher (or equivalent)? I need a plausible excuse for buying one. Second, I know the theory of iambic keying (e.g. the letter C is a squeeze rather than four movements); but never having tried to master it, I wonder - is the difference noticeable in practice - e.g. after 10 or 12 hours of CW contesting? Finally, on the question of sending ?de? before a callsign, there is a large difference between pileups and contests on the one hand (call sign only) and casual QSOs on the other. SK, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:54:48 -0700 (MST) >From: kd7gc >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder . . . >Message-ID: <005d01d00d98$38681640$a93842c0$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Begali paddles are more like jewelry than something so plain-jane and >ubiquitous as a code key. I send my CW via keyboard now, but I still >want to have a number of Begali?s many models on my desk, even though I >will probably hardly ever use them. They are simply fantastic! > > > > > >73 > >Alan/KD7GC > > > > > > > >Alan R. Downing > >Phoenix, AZ > > > >From: Dauer, Edward [via Elecraft] >[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7595320h5 at n2.nabble.com] >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:13 AM >To: kd7gc >Subject: K3 CW decoder . . . > > > >FWIW, I agree 100% with Dale (below) and with some of the other comments >in this thread, based on 57 years of 99.9% CW. Specifically: > >Although I used a straight key for my novice year (in 1957) and a >Vibroplex bug from then until about 10 years ago, I doubt that any of >that >learning helped my electronic fist when I started using electronic keyers >like those in the K3 and the KX3. Although I have been tempted by a >Begali, I am hard pressed to explain to myself why I want one (which, >truthfully, I do.) > >F From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 1 18:26:35 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:26:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operations with the K3 and K3/0 Mini Message-ID: <547CF92B.4000403@aol.com> After having an interesting conversation with someone familiar with remoting the K3, I took the plunge. Actually, I had concluded that the KX3 with all its accessories would satisfy my needs adequately and considering I have a few other good quality rigs, I heeded my wife's constant demand that I "downsize" my collection. I think she also meant telescopes, oscilloscopes, remotely controlled aircraft, motorcycles, and computers. I acquiesced. I now only have one classic motorcycle. However, she still thinks 15 well accessorized Windows computers, 2 decent Macs, 4 Android tablets, two iPads, and two good linux boxes is more than I need. I've gotten to the point of "maybe". If anyone can use a decent Windows desktop, get in touch off-list. I have about 10 I really should sell and I will do so for an extremely low price. Some for the cost of shipping alone. I would hate to throw out good quality computers and would rather see them go at bargain prices to a place where they will be useful for someone. Back on subject, I actually sold my K-Line because we're moving to a town home and I thought that 500 watts wasn't going to get used and the KX3 the better choice of the "K" transceivers for space considerations. Then, a few email exchanges later, I realized that remote operations was really the best solution. Then, coincidentally, a list member posted a practically new K3, equipped the same as the one I sold for about the same price. I bought it and ordered a K3/0 Mini. I've never done this before and wonder if any list members have been operating the K3 and K3/0 Mini as a remote station arrangement. I would be interested in the "Hints & Kinks" of getting this all working. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From mcduffie at ag0n.net Mon Dec 1 18:48:42 2014 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:48:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles Message-ID: <8gvp7atv0933bo566phnu7fdh2sgcnvb5h@4ax.com> > If you find yourself confronted with a paddle that's counter to your > "handed ness", simply turn it around 180 degrees and reach over the top to > send. Absolutely. I've done this for years if I find myself in the midst of doing something else with the sending hand. You may have to slow down slightly, but it is intuitive, despite how it sounds. Gary From pincon at erols.com Mon Dec 1 19:26:16 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:26:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles References: <8gvp7atv0933bo566phnu7fdh2sgcnvb5h@4ax.com> Message-ID: <9CB638CAFA034B7AA907A62544B1091B@pinnacle05df05> Curiously, you may find that you can send with the "wrong" hand by reversing the dot/dash, or as suggested, by backing up to the keyer and reaching behind yourself. In the "olden" days when we logged with a pencil, the CW hot-shots would do just that. They'd log with their right hand and send with their left. I was surprised to find that I could do it too. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "elecraft" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles > >> If you find yourself confronted with a paddle that's counter to your >> "handed ness", simply turn it around 180 degrees and reach over the top >> to >> send. > > Absolutely. I've done this for years if I find myself in the midst of > doing > something else with the sending hand. You may have to slow down slightly, > but > it is intuitive, despite how it sounds. > > Gary > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Mon Dec 1 19:33:18 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:33:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operations with the K3 and K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <547CF92B.4000403@aol.com> References: <547CF92B.4000403@aol.com> Message-ID: <547D08CE.3040304@sunflower.com> Doug, I too am planning a remote. I'll be looking for lower noise at a remote farm site - ten miles out - than at my city location which is near a shopping center with a city restriction of a max of 35 feet for the tower. Just finished up my K3/100 kit and love the radio. Using it with a 33 foot SteppIR vertical right now. I think you K3/mini is a good choice. You'll have to plan for power control and antenna control for the remote site too. Think NEMA enclosures there. And check out that you have at least DSL web inter-connectivity. 73, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. > Doug Person via Elecraft > Monday, December 01, 2014 5:26 PM > After having an interesting conversation with someone familiar with > remoting the K3, I took the plunge. Actually, I had concluded that > the KX3 with all its accessories would satisfy my needs adequately and > considering I have a few other good quality rigs, I heeded my wife's > constant demand that I "downsize" my collection. I think she also > meant telescopes, oscilloscopes, remotely controlled aircraft, > motorcycles, and computers. I acquiesced. I now only have one > classic motorcycle. However, she still thinks 15 well accessorized > Windows computers, 2 decent Macs, 4 Android tablets, two iPads, and > two good linux boxes is more than I need. I've gotten to the point of > "maybe". > > If anyone can use a decent Windows desktop, get in touch off-list. I > have about 10 I really should sell and I will do so for an extremely > low price. Some for the cost of shipping alone. I would hate to > throw out good quality computers and would rather see them go at > bargain prices to a place where they will be useful for someone. > > Back on subject, I actually sold my K-Line because we're moving to a > town home and I thought that 500 watts wasn't going to get used and > the KX3 the better choice of the "K" transceivers for space > considerations. Then, a few email exchanges later, I realized that > remote operations was really the best solution. Then, coincidentally, > a list member posted a practically new K3, equipped the same as the > one I sold for about the same price. I bought it and ordered a K3/0 > Mini. > > I've never done this before and wonder if any list members have been > operating the K3 and K3/0 Mini as a remote station arrangement. I > would be interested in the "Hints & Kinks" of getting this all working. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 19:33:53 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CEC3F.3050708@foothill.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> <547CEC3F.3050708@foothill.net> Message-ID: <7EA78B9D-D4EC-44EF-9138-6421128BD126@gmail.com> Ah ah! So THAT (Farnsworth) is the source of the horrible CW I hear (fast characters with excess spacing!) Sorry but I will disagree with that approach. It teaches plain bad CW. (Okay, when I went to school they didn?t have to teach the alphabet with silly bellies and stuff either. We learned to read the English language, not pictures and so we were able to progress beyond picture books and hieroglyphics. Dumbing down elementary teaching has been a disaster and I think dumbing down CW is in the same category.) I learned CW by myself without any crutches. Sorry but I never noticed a 10wpm barrier either, it took me 4 months as a novice and 328 on the air QSOs to pass my General ticket (13wpm in front of an FCC examiner.) I think it is totally hilarious that you mention a ?conspiracy by the FCC? to prevent people from getting a General class ticket back when most hams had General class tickets! Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > On 12/1/2014 12:17 PM, Ken wrote: > >> Would you really suggest someone starting out at 5 wpm use a paddle >> and keyer? > > Yes. It's called Farnsworth and there is both a good body of empirical evidence as well as explainable theory that it works better than other methods. Learning Morse has a direct parallel with how kids learn to read. Initially, they learn the components of the letters. For example, "D" is a post with a big tummy, "B" is a post with two small tummies. They very shortly learn to recognize letters as whole objects by their overall shape, not their components. > > Farnsworth uses a character speed of about 20 WPM, however the characters are spaced however as much as needed for a given, slower, net speed. 20 WPM is a too fast for counting dits and dahs, and one learns to recognize letters by their "sound shape." For me, "P" sounds like crossing a low round-topped hill, whereas "X" sounds like crossing a narrow ravine. "R" is more like going over a speed bump. > > When sending to the student, you want as precise Morse at a character speed of 20 WPM as you can get, so teacher uses a keyer and paddle. When student is sending, you want him to make the same "sound shapes" he's burning into his brain on receiving. If he needs 1 WPM spacing to recognize the sound shape and say or write it, that's fine, 20 WPM characters with about 10-12 second spaces is about 1 WPM. > > There is an almost universal "plateau" at about 10-11 WPM for most people learning Morse. In the later 50's, a conspiracy theory alleged the FCC set the General code speed at 13 WPM on purpose because of that. From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 19:37:49 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:37:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> <19D8B47B-7961-4134-A937-8F9DA0E142ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AC2745F-5206-41A5-B8EF-217658BDF235@gmail.com> Yes, I?ve looked up and understand the theory of Iambic keying but 1) it?s been weird to try and 2) I haven?t noticed any advantage for me. Now maybe there is an advantage at higher speeds? But when I?ve run above 30 wpm, I use a keyboard ;-) 73, Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:41 PM, G4GNX wrote: > > In short, yes you're doing it wrong. :-) > > That said, if it works for you, who cares? > > The correct way to use a twin paddle iambic keyer is to press on paddle first, fo9llowed by a squeeze action to hold both paddles on, but depending on what character you're trying to send. > > For example. CQ (for a right handed keyer) would use the following sequence: Press right paddle and immediately squeeze both paddles without letting go the right paddle. Hold that squeeze until the first -.-. is sent, then let go for the inter-character space. To send the 'Q' press the right paddle and wait until the start of the second dash, then squeeze both paddles and immediately let go of the left hand paddle whilst continuing to briefly hold the right hand paddle until you're sure the entire --.- sequence has been sent, then let go the right paddle.ready to send whatever you want to come next. > > I know this sounds long winded, but once you get used to it, it's very intuitive and very fast and accurate, as long as you practice it. Once you get proficient in that mode, you don't even think about it any more. From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 19:52:34 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:52:34 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <8AC2745F-5206-41A5-B8EF-217658BDF235@gmail.com> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> <19D8B47B-7961-4134-A937-8F9DA0E142ED@gmail.com> <8AC2745F-5206-41A5-B8EF-217658BDF235@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I use iambic keying (mode B, because I learned to use a paddle on an ICOM radio, which would only do mode B. Anyway, this was before I even knew there was such a thing as mode A and mode B). The following article questions the value of iambic keying, makes for an interesting read: http://www.morsex.com/pubs/iambicmyth.pdf For the speeds I typically plod along at, around the 20wpm mark, the iambic keying works quite well, and feels nice. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2 Dec 2014, at 11:37 am, Ken wrote: > > Yes, I?ve looked up and understand the theory of Iambic keying but 1) it?s been weird to try and 2) I haven?t noticed any advantage for me. Now maybe there is an advantage at higher speeds? But when I?ve run above 30 wpm, I use a keyboard ;-) > > 73, > Ken WA8JXM > > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 4:41 PM, G4GNX wrote: >> >> In short, yes you're doing it wrong. :-) >> >> That said, if it works for you, who cares? >> >> The correct way to use a twin paddle iambic keyer is to press on paddle first, fo9llowed by a squeeze action to hold both paddles on, but depending on what character you're trying to send. >> >> For example. CQ (for a right handed keyer) would use the following sequence: Press right paddle and immediately squeeze both paddles without letting go the right paddle. Hold that squeeze until the first -.-. is sent, then let go for the inter-character space. To send the 'Q' press the right paddle and wait until the start of the second dash, then squeeze both paddles and immediately let go of the left hand paddle whilst continuing to briefly hold the right hand paddle until you're sure the entire --.- sequence has been sent, then let go the right paddle.ready to send whatever you want to come next. >> >> I know this sounds long winded, but once you get used to it, it's very intuitive and very fast and accurate, as long as you practice it. Once you get proficient in that mode, you don't even think about it any more. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 19:58:04 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:58:04 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <547CD01D.1080001@foothill.net> References: <0NFW00I0I0TBB730@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <201412011029.19410.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <547CA722.8080109@sbcglobal.net> <69B7E0FA-1DFE-46B2-AA53-5725454A0EAB@mac.com> <547CBE13.50508@att.net> <547CD01D.1080001@foothill.net> Message-ID: <07ACE18D-56FB-4387-BA99-03B937504E75@gmail.com> I'm one of those left-handlers who learned to send on the paddle either right hand -- that way, no need to put down the pen :-) When I learned the straight key though, in order to get my ham ticket, I learned left-handed, and still can't use a straight key with my right :-( 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2 Dec 2014, at 7:31 am, Fred Jensen wrote: > > This is more common than one might think, but only for left-handers it seems. I'm left-handed and my Elmer, W6RMK, was too. He taught me to send with my right hand so I could write legibly in my log. In those days, you logged every transmission, whether or not it resulted in a QSO. > > A number of years ago, we had a little survey on this list. A total of 137 responded, about 22% south paws. A little more than 50% of those learned to send/paddle right. 0% of the north paws sent/paddled left. From this and answers to some of the other questions in the survey, it appears that most right-handers are *really* right-handed [some even said so]. Left-handers seem to be somewhat more flexible, maybe because we live in a right-handed world. > > I currently have a second paddle set up left on the WinKey-USB to the left of the laptop which I've started using left-handed in casual QSO's since it's more natural for me and I no longer have to write in my logbook. I still contest with the paddle on the right since I can type faster with my left hand. > > I'm not hearing all the poor CW others are talking about. In CQ WW CW, I made a note of two: one had the weight set very high and his dots resembled his dashes. Theotheroneforgottherearespacesbetweenwords. Quite a few of the Summits On The Air crowd are learning CW and, while they may make a few more mistakes, there is nothing wrong with their sending. The majority of those ops are using embedded keyers in their rigs. > > In the end, do what works best for you. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > > >> On 12/1/2014 11:14 AM, Bob wrote: >> >> At 13 in 1956 I signed up for a Novice class at the local radio club, >> Nutley Amateur Radio Society (Nutley, NJ). When it came time to learn >> the basics of sending the instructor, W2TJD (SK) made us try to send >> with the "wrong" hand since we were learning anyway. I'm a lefty so >> tried right handed. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 1 20:04:08 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <547CE183.8090300@nc.rr.com> References: <547CE183.8090300@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1701464265.2145460.1417482248723.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100158.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in? it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest? From: brian To: Harry Yingst Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices Harry, Which bandplan?? There are many.? EU bandplans are different from Asian band plans for example.? ? There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs.? Then they bemoan interference? If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to avoid all the little niches. Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY contests are a good example.? Do you really think it can be constrained to be within 14080 and 14090? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan > Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating. > Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys. > > > > >? ? ? ? From: Ken G Kopp >? To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >? Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM >? Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices >? ? > Jim is speaks the truth..... > > While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called > station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place > in the "lid" line. > > 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. > > In the contesting arena time is all-important!? Seconds saved count.? FD, > especially, brings out every lid-ism.? It's actually easy to have one ... > or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number".? Add > another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > >> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >> >>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >>> another station. >>> >> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is >> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing >> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone >> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call >> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW >> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters >> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" >> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. >> >> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied >> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded >> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it >> wrong. >> >> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4223/8663 - Release Date: 12/01/14 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 1 20:06:14 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 01:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Calibration of my K3 In-Reply-To: <547CE83F.2040007@gmail.com> References: <547CE83F.2040007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1970853168.2152316.1417482374550.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100141.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I also uses a dummy load screwed directly onto the back of the K3 When I calibrated it The cable may have been acting like a tuning section From: Art Nienhouse To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 5:14 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Calibration of my K3 */I had a issue with my K3 and KPA500 after a couple of years where I would get error messages over power input /swr and one other fault intermittently the KPA500 would power hunt slowly building to the final power of 500 w output then fall back to 200 w or so. I did the calibration over and over not seeing any improvement I was told to send in the K3 . I built it from a kit it preformed as advertized as did the Amp until one day this started to happen I want to say after an up date but I can't say which one. What I found that fixed my problem was to *not* use my old Heath Kit Cantanna dummy load and about 4 foot of coax as the dummy load to calibrate my K3 What fixed the issue I screwed on the back of my K3 a Lucas Weinchell 50 watt DC-8 GHz dummy load after using this set up to run the calibration in the K3 Utility problem solved. Its been a year or so and the K3 is driving the KPA500 just like it is supposed to do. Regards Art ka9zap /* He should also re-do the automated 5- and 50-watt power calibration on all bands using K3 Utility and a dummy load. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm? wrote: > Hugh, > > Does he have enough audio drive to illuminate 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter? > If he does not supply sufficient audio to the K3 it will "power hunt"? with the results you stated. > The power should be adjusted using the power knob and not by adjusting the audio drive. > > There is another instance where the K3 will start out at a lower power than the requested power, and that is after a bend change or a change in the setting of the power knob.? The power will start out low, but quickly come up to the requested level.? But then it will stay correct until another band or power level change.? IMHO, that behavior is better than spiking the power as some other rigs have a tendency to do. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/1/2014 3:29 PM, SouthCarolinaDolphin wrote: >> A friend is using my K3 while his is in the shop When he transmit's on the K-3 running a specific power out he notices that the power especially on? RTTY will start at a lower output that what was dialed in and gradually raise its output to the maximum dialed in. This seems to be worse on 15 m. It only appears to happen once then will not repeat on same freq. So if a specific power like 100W is dialed in watching his W-2 watt meter the power may start at 60 watts then ramp up to 100 watts usually on RTTY. >> Any ideas. Thanks >> Hugh W4DRH >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered ton6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered toka9zap at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From greenacres113 at charter.net Mon Dec 1 21:27:02 2014 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (r miles) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:27:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Left handed CW Message-ID: <61c5aa98.85436.14a08d285b8.Webtop.43@charter.net> I am left handed but I send with the electronic key set for a righthander. I learned this way for several reasons but the primary reason 50 yr.s ago was I could sit at 90% of other stn.s and operate. Primarly FD & contest operations. All lefties are semi-ambidextrous out of necessity. K9IL From paulbousquet at icloud.com Mon Dec 1 21:40:18 2014 From: paulbousquet at icloud.com (Paul Bousquet) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility - Terminal Macros File Message-ID: <8C2CB75C-5F03-4F78-8F5C-2704847107AB@icloud.com> Are the Macros within the KX3 Utility under the Terminal Tab stored in a folder on the computer so that I can copy to another computer? I?m on a Macintosh and I?m configuring a new machine, but can?t locate the files and do not see an export/import feature. Paul N1PEB From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 1 21:52:52 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (l s via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX 3 Intermittent problem power up problem Message-ID: <1044453818.3538620.1417488772131.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10645.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Has anyone with a KX3 experienced this problem? When turning the kx3 on with theband- and atu tune buttons the back ground leds come on but no screen display. Removing the power cable and letting it sit there disconnected for a few hours and then when power up is turned on ? everything starts working just fine. This occurs intermittently several times a day. Have performed the parameter initialization as per the instructions on page 46 of the manual and upgraded to the latest firmware version but no help.. the problem still exists. Any suggestions short of sending it back to Elecraft. S/N 6652. Tnx for reading it.Lou KI6UM From ormandj at corenode.com Mon Dec 1 22:07:45 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:07:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX 3 Intermittent problem power up problem In-Reply-To: <1044453818.3538620.1417488772131.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10645.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1044453818.3538620.1417488772131.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10645.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have not run into this. Are you running the most recent stable firmware? How are you supplying power to your unit? Do you have the battery module option installed? Thanks, David/K5DJO On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:52 PM, l s via Elecraft wrote: > Has anyone with a KX3 experienced this problem? When turning the kx3 on > with theband- and atu tune buttons the back ground leds come on but no > screen display. Removing the power cable and letting it sit there > disconnected for a few hours and then when power up is turned on > everything starts working just fine. This occurs intermittently several > times a day. > Have performed the parameter initialization as per the instructions on > page 46 of the manual and upgraded to the latest firmware version but no > help.. the problem still exists. Any suggestions short of sending it back > to Elecraft. S/N 6652. Tnx for reading it.Lou KI6UM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com From ormandj at corenode.com Mon Dec 1 22:10:13 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:10:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX 3 Intermittent problem power up problem In-Reply-To: References: <1044453818.3538620.1417488772131.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10645.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry just saw you were running the most recent firmware. Since that's a non-issue (again, apologies for not reading thoroughly enough) question still remains re: power supply/battery unit. My question is - if you can run off a different power source do you see the same behavior? On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:07 PM, David Orman wrote: > I have not run into this. Are you running the most recent stable firmware? > How are you supplying power to your unit? Do you have the battery module > option installed? > > Thanks, > David/K5DJO > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:52 PM, l s via Elecraft > wrote: > >> Has anyone with a KX3 experienced this problem? When turning the kx3 on >> with theband- and atu tune buttons the back ground leds come on but no >> screen display. Removing the power cable and letting it sit there >> disconnected for a few hours and then when power up is turned on >> everything starts working just fine. This occurs intermittently several >> times a day. >> Have performed the parameter initialization as per the instructions on >> page 46 of the manual and upgraded to the latest firmware version but no >> help.. the problem still exists. Any suggestions short of sending it back >> to Elecraft. S/N 6652. Tnx for reading it.Lou KI6UM >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > > > From k8mn at frontiernet.net Mon Dec 1 23:28:23 2014 From: k8mn at frontiernet.net (Dave Heil) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 04:28:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Left handed CW In-Reply-To: <61c5aa98.85436.14a08d285b8.Webtop.43@charter.net> References: <61c5aa98.85436.14a08d285b8.Webtop.43@charter.net> Message-ID: <547D3FE7.3050406@frontiernet.net> Same situation here, Phil. All a right-hander would have to do to use my station is to move the paddle across the table and begin sending. It baffles some right-handers when they see me send dahs with my thumb. As to your statement about lefties being somewhat ambidextrous, I've played the guitar for about fifty-two years, right-handed. Dave K8MN On 12/2/2014 02 27, r miles wrote: > > I am left handed but I send with the electronic key set for a > righthander. I learned this way for several reasons but the primary > reason 50 yr.s ago was I could sit at 90% of other stn.s and operate. > Primarly FD & contest operations. All lefties are semi-ambidextrous out > of necessity. > > K9IL From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 1 23:41:02 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 04:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <7EA78B9D-D4EC-44EF-9138-6421128BD126@gmail.com> References: <7EA78B9D-D4EC-44EF-9138-6421128BD126@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7781557.2204930.1417495262555.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Farnsworth uses a character speed of 15 WPM. ?Koch (German for Cook) pronounced Cook, not kotch uses 25 WPM. ?ARRL Code Practice uses Farnsworth for Code Practice for speeds below 15 WPM. ?I find the Koch method difficult to copy, but Farnsworth not so bad and I use it for Bug sending. ?when I need to slow down a bit. ?The Koch method may be a good method for the Military or Commercial trainees to get up to 25 WPM fast, but I don't see a place for it in ham radio and the Military and Commercial do not use CW any more.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Ken To: k6dgw at foothill.net Cc: elecraft Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW Ah ah!? So THAT (Farnsworth) is the source of the horrible CW I hear (fast characters with excess spacing!)? Sorry but I will disagree with that approach.? It teaches plain bad CW.? ? (Okay, when I went to school they didn?t have to teach the alphabet with silly bellies and stuff either.? We learned to read the English language, not pictures and so we were able to progress beyond picture books and hieroglyphics.? Dumbing down elementary teaching has been a disaster and I think dumbing down CW is in the same category.)? I learned CW by myself without any crutches.? Sorry but I never noticed a 10wpm barrier either, it took me 4 months as a novice and 328 on the air QSOs to pass my General ticket (13wpm in front of an FCC examiner.)? I think it is totally hilarious that you mention a ?conspiracy by the FCC? to prevent people from getting a General class ticket back when most hams had General class tickets! Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > On 12/1/2014 12:17 PM, Ken wrote: > >> Would? you really suggest someone starting out at 5 wpm use a paddle >> and keyer? > > Yes.? It's called Farnsworth and there is both a good body of empirical evidence as well as explainable theory that it works better than other methods.? Learning Morse has a direct parallel with how kids learn to read.? Initially, they learn the components of the letters.? For example, "D" is a post with a big tummy, "B" is a post with two small tummies.? They very shortly learn to recognize letters as whole objects by their overall shape, not their components. > > Farnsworth uses a character speed of about 20 WPM, however the characters are spaced however as much as needed for a given, slower, net speed.? 20 WPM is a too fast for counting dits and dahs, and one learns to recognize letters by their "sound shape."? For me, "P" sounds like crossing a low round-topped hill, whereas "X" sounds like crossing a narrow ravine.? "R" is more like going over a speed bump. > > When sending to the student, you want as precise Morse at a character speed of 20 WPM as you can get, so teacher uses a keyer and paddle. When student is sending, you want him to make the same "sound shapes" he's burning into his brain on receiving.? If he needs 1 WPM spacing to recognize the sound shape and say or write it, that's fine, 20 WPM characters with about 10-12 second spaces is about 1 WPM. > > There is an almost universal "plateau" at about 10-11 WPM for most people learning Morse.? In the later 50's, a conspiracy theory alleged the FCC set the General code speed at 13 WPM on purpose because of that. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 00:09:51 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:09:51 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX 3 Intermittent problem power up problem In-Reply-To: <1044453818.3538620.1417488772131.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10645.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1044453818.3538620.1417488772131.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10645.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6D91B34F-5812-470F-96F7-06885FA0A3B1@gmail.com> Are you using the power cable supplied by Elecraft? If you inadvertently try to use a 2.5mm inner diameter plug on the KX3's 2.1mm pin diameter socket, it will seem to fit but the connection may be poor and may result in strange behaviour. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2 Dec 2014, at 1:52 pm, l s via Elecraft wrote: > > Has anyone with a KX3 experienced this problem? When turning the kx3 on with theband- and atu tune buttons the back ground leds come on but no screen display. Removing the power cable and letting it sit there disconnected for a few hours and then when power up is turned on everything starts working just fine. This occurs intermittently several times a day. > Have performed the parameter initialization as per the instructions on page 46 of the manual and upgraded to the latest firmware version but no help.. the problem still exists. Any suggestions short of sending it back to Elecraft. S/N 6652. Tnx for reading it.Lou KI6UM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 2 00:28:01 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <62438.71.74.118.201.1417469347.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <62438.71.74.118.201.1417469347.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <15585606.2187732.1417498081872.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10097.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I encountered an operator named DEAN who sent it as de an and I kept copying it as from An.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: "dmb at lightstream.net" To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest Sorry - I wasn't clear. Of course it makes no sense to send "DE" prior to calling anyone if the only thing you're sending is your own call. I was referring mostly to folks who are calling CQ, especially those with a bad fist, and under poor conditions. I've heard stations with an unusual callsign who call CQ, send their call maybe three times with NO spacing between iterations. If you miss the start of the call, it takes a lot of work to sort out the longstringofpossibilitiesfromthemess. By simply sending "CQ CQ CQ DE ..." the DE acts as a heads-up that "here is the start of my call", which gives one a fighting chance. Under good conditions, it's not a problem. I'm not a contester - ever - though I like chasing DX and actually enjoy trying to work out a strategy for pileups. And no, I never send "DE" under those conditions -- or even my callsign again -- unless I know the DX station has it wrong. 73, Dale WA8SRA > On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >> another station. > > NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) > is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start > typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so > when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- > he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, > sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are > time-wasters equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters > use "TU" or "R" and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. > > Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied > correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he > responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think > he got it wrong. > > Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From w7aqk at cox.net Tue Dec 2 01:17:32 2014 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk at cox.net) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles Message-ID: Hi All, I'm a lefty too, and I just acquiesced to the right handed setup on paddles (and bugs) from the outset. As has been pointed out, it really makes it easier if you go to another ham's station--usually a right handed person. I really don't think it makes much difference which way you do it on a paddle. One way is no more efficient than the other. Possibly it might be slightly less efficient on a bug, but I do that using a right handed setup as well, and it never seemed to be a big problem. Besides, finding left handed bugs wasn't easy. As Don points out, most newer rigs, and most newer keyers, have an option to switch sides, so it has become less complicated if you need to switch. If you run into a situation where either the rig or keyer doesn't have that option, you can just turn the paddle around--awkward, but it works! One of these days I'm going to try and learn to send right handed--I've been saying that for years! The incentive, though, is to free up my left hand for writing. Being a "bean counter" by profession, I found that process to be very helpful when operating a calculator. I could "tick and tie" (accounting jargon) with the best of them! Anyway, it might be beneficial on Field Day, etc. Hi. Dave W7AQK From hhoyt at mebtel.net Tue Dec 2 01:57:31 2014 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 01:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Keys as jewelry Message-ID: <547D62DB.7080507@mebtel.net> KN1CBR asked: >>in what way is a Begali (or equivalent) >>superior to a much cheaper Bencher (or equivalent)? Your subject line belies the true intent of your question, and I agree with you fit and finish are part of the equation. We all choose where to spend our optional money, and balance form and function when we do. After learning on a Vibroplex for a few years, my first set of keyer paddles was made from a piece of PCB material and a few brass screws. It worked but was not aesthetically pleasing. A TenTec magnetic key I purchased somewhat later worked and looked better and offered adjustability, but it's plastic levers gave a mushy feel. A few years later I purchased (at the time, for what was a king's ransom) a Bencher BY-2 and have used it for over 20 years. A few years ago I tried a Frattini Iambic, and I was blown away by it on many levels: Function: the materials used and precision of the bearings in the Frattini give it an extremely precise and repeatable feel, to my hand much better than the BY-2, indeed the Frattini Iambic is the best paddle I have used. It's balance of leverage vs. magnetically sprung mass is ideal to my way of sending and offers a higher degree of adjustability than even the Bencher. Form: the Frattini is machined and finished like a piece of jewelery and is very aesthetically pleasing. It's form belies a higher degree of custom machining and hand finishing than the Bencher, which you would expect for 4x as much. So the bottom line becomes: If it delivers higher performance and the form is more appealing, is it 4x better? Even if it is, do you have the expendable resources to purchase it? After 44 years of CW and almost as many years of working earning money, I find purchasing the Frattini Iambic a particularly good value. I expect I can use it until I am too feeble to, and then I or my estate can sell it for what I paid or more. Before you conclude I am a rich fart who can just throw money around I would ask you to think about this: value is a funny concept, most everyone reading this list has spent 40x as much as the best Frattini or Begali on a car...and lost more than the value of either in the first 5 minutes driving it off the lot. I guess you put your money where it is important to you. I buy and drive used Chevrolets and send code with Frattini Iambic, and love every minute of it! Cheers & 73, Howie - WA4PSC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 2 02:01:16 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:01:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX 3 Intermittent problem power up problem Message-ID: Re:?"When turning the kx3 on with theband- and atu tune buttons the back ground leds come on but no screen display. Removing the power cable..." Open the case and be sure the multi-pin connector on the cable that connects the two halves is firmly engaged. ?I had a similar problem that I traced to the connector not being fully plugged in. Hope this helps. Mark KE6BB? From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 04:55:30 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:55:30 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <15585606.2187732.1417498081872.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10097.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <62438.71.74.118.201.1417469347.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <15585606.2187732.1417498081872.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10097.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F871109-E23A-4ECE-937B-0F24FABA5909@gmail.com> I recently had a QSO with a guy who kept sending his call with a 4S9 prefix. I didn't get it right until he told me his QTH, in Switzerland (complete call and QTH left out to protect the guilty). Oh well, time to get out my bug and call NN GT. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:28 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote: > > I encountered an operator named DEAN who sent it as de an and I kept copying it as from An. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart > From: "dmb at lightstream.net" > To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest > > Sorry - I wasn't clear. Of course it makes no sense to send "DE" prior to > calling anyone if the only thing you're sending is your own call. > > I was referring mostly to folks who are calling CQ, especially those with > a bad fist, and under poor conditions. I've heard stations with an unusual > callsign who call CQ, send their call maybe three times with NO spacing > between iterations. If you miss the start of the call, it takes a lot of > work to sort out the longstringofpossibilitiesfromthemess. By simply > sending "CQ CQ CQ DE ..." the DE acts as a heads-up that "here is the > start of my call", which gives one a fighting chance. > > Under good conditions, it's not a problem. > > I'm not a contester - ever - though I like chasing DX and actually enjoy > trying to work out a strategy for pileups. And no, I never send "DE" under > those conditions -- or even my callsign again -- unless I know the DX > station has it wrong. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > > > >>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >>> another station. >> >> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) >> is running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start >> typing that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so >> when someone sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- >> he knows his call -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, >> sending the old CW elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are >> time-wasters equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters >> use "TU" or "R" and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. >> >> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied >> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he >> responded to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think >> he got it wrong. >> >> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From k3rll at cfl.rr.com Tue Dec 2 06:49:31 2014 From: k3rll at cfl.rr.com (Don) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Keys/Paddles as jewelry Message-ID: Ed, a.) Iambic keying comes quickly with practice. Proficiency may take longer. I don't know. I'm still waiting for real CW skill to come my way, but I love it. b.) Begali Justification: 1.) They look fantastic on your operating desk. 2.) They seem to hold adjustment perfectly and seemingly indefinitely. 3.) While the cost is significant, it is still a small percentage of what many of us have tied up in all our ham gear. 4.) They spell better than lesser code instruments. Okay, so maybe #3 might not be totally valid but the confidence that comes from operating such a precision instrument may enhance our sending proficiency. No? c.) FWIW, I agree with sending "de" in casual QSOs. It seems appropriate, particularly from QRP stations in noisy band conditions. It assures the other station that he really is listening to the correct signal, I think. ... Don K3RLL Message: 9 **************************************** Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:21:31 +0000 From: "Dauer, Edward" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Keys as jewelry My Morse fist is better than my typing. I accidentally left out of the paragraph below, in my first post, the fact that I now use a dual paddle Bencher, though I never use the iambic function. Alan?s response, and others?, raise two questions: Putting aside the self-evident virtue of the maxim that ?whoever dies with the most toys, wins,? in what way is a Begali (or equivalent) superior to a much cheaper Bencher (or equivalent)? I need a plausible excuse for buying one. Second, I know the theory of iambic keying (e.g. the letter C is a squeeze rather than four movements); but never having tried to master it, I wonder - is the difference noticeable in practice - e.g. after 10 or 12 hours of CW contesting? Finally, on the question of sending ?de? before a callsign, there is a large difference between pileups and contests on the one hand (call sign only) and casual QSOs on the other. SK, KN1CBR From greenacres113 at charter.net Tue Dec 2 07:46:33 2014 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (r miles) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:46:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Last of the leftiness... Message-ID: <17f52633.85c27.14a0b09b749.Webtop.47@charter.net> I know you 'righties' are just kidding. I'm not offended. But see it from our side. The only class in school I ever failed was in the Chicago PS system. I failed penmanship. Yes, it was a course in the 1950s public schools. I failed because I couldn't write with the proper 'slant'. The teacher refused to accept the fact I was lefthanded & it was impossible for me to write that way. Poor way to treat a 9 yr. old. Still a painfull memory. One reason [ down the list a bit] I chose the K3 was it is an easier radio to operate being a leftie. I tuned several other brands & the K3 was best. So I guess I got it right ! Hi! Hi! K9IL From w5jr.lists at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 08:14:58 2014 From: w5jr.lists at gmail.com (Mike / W5JR) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> As a rightie, I taught myself to send left handed for the very same reason - contesting. Send with the left, write with the right. I saw an Op at my first FD doing this and I told myself I needed to do the same. At first it was with the key turned around but later I added a small switch to the Heath HD-10 single lever keyer. This was the late 60's. I still send mostly with the left hand, especially in contests, because the keyboards are set up for righties. Therefore, I tune/operate my K3 with the left hand as well. Been that way since the beginning for me. I actually have two paddles set up, one on each side so I can send from whichever hand is free. Probably explains why I never could play the piano with my left hand - needed a "reversed" keyboard. tnx Mike W5JR > On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:17 AM, wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm a lefty too, and I just acquiesced to the right handed setup on paddles (and bugs) from the outset. As has been pointed out, it really makes it easier if you go to another ham's station--usually a right handed person. I really don't think it makes much difference which way you do it on a paddle. One way is no more efficient than the other. Possibly it might be slightly less efficient on a bug, but I do that using a right handed setup as well, and it never seemed to be a big problem. Besides, finding left handed bugs wasn't easy. As Don points out, most newer rigs, and most newer keyers, have an option to switch sides, so it has become less complicated if you need to switch. If you run into a situation where either the rig or keyer doesn't have that option, you can just turn the paddle around--awkward, but it works! > > One of these days I'm going to try and learn to send right handed--I've been saying that for years! The incentive, though, is to free up my left hand for writing. Being a "bean counter" by profession, I found that process to be very helpful when operating a calculator. I could "tick and tie" (accounting jargon) with the best of them! Anyway, it might be beneficial on Field Day, etc. Hi. > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5jr.lists at gmail.com From steverob at shoreham.net Tue Dec 2 08:56:44 2014 From: steverob at shoreham.net (Stephen Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW decoder and CQ CW contest In-Reply-To: <8F871109-E23A-4ECE-937B-0F24FABA5909@gmail.com> References: <62438.71.74.118.201.1417469347.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <15585606.2187732.1417498081872.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10097.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8F871109-E23A-4ECE-937B-0F24FABA5909@gmail.com> Message-ID: HiHi...that's a good one. No mention in this thread about using a single lever paddle as a sideswiper. It may sound strange, but it's now my favorite form of sending CW. Like using a straight key on steroids. On the other hand, using a straight key still gives me warm fuzzies. Best 72/73 Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roberts-W1SFR Sudbury, VT http://www.kx3helper.com Stuff for portable ops and Keys too. Fists, CW OPS, QRP ARCI, SKCC, NEQRP, NAQCC, FP, ARRL, Green Mountain Wireless Society (802)779-7489 (cell) On Dec 2, 2014, at 4:55 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I recently had a QSO with a guy who kept sending his call with a 4S9 prefix. I didn't get it right until he told me his QTH, in Switzerland (complete call and QTH left out to protect the guilty). > Oh well, time to get out my bug and call NN GT. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > From jthorpe at liberty.edu Tue Dec 2 09:02:02 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <1701464265.2145460.1417482248723.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100158.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <547CE183.8090300@nc.rr.com>, <1701464265.2145460.1417482248723.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100158.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in > it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest > > > From: brian > To: Harry Yingst > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices > > Harry, > > Which bandplan? There are many. EU bandplans are different from Asian > band plans for example. There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who > plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs. Then > they bemoan interference? > > If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to > avoid all the little niches. > > Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY > contests are a good example. Do you really think it can be constrained > to be within 14080 and 14090? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > >> On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan >> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating. >> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys. >> >> >> >> >> From: Ken G Kopp >> To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices >> >> Jim is speaks the truth..... >> >> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called >> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place >> in the "lid" line. >> >> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. >> >> In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD, >> especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ... >> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add >> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >>> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >>>> >>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >>>> another station. >>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is >>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing >>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone >>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call >>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW >>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters >>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" >>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. >>> >>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied >>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded >>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it >>> wrong. >>> >>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4223/8663 - Release Date: 12/01/14 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From jthorpe at liberty.edu Tue Dec 2 10:35:39 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:35:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> References: , <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19FCB9A6-279C-40F4-801A-4F66A4F1962A@liberty.edu> This discussion has brought to mind a question - maybe two. I'm relearning CW, and have the iambic made for the KX3. (When I first learned CW for my Novice 30 years ago, it was with a straight key. I ended up not touching Ham when I went into the Navy, and just recently got back into it.) So, as a rightie, should I start off sending with my left? If I do, should I reverse it? Would that make it easier to swap to my right? Or, just start sending with my right? (Well, four questions.) For copying, I do it the old-fashioned way - pen and paper, and shorthand scribble-characters. I don't want to be tied to having to use a keyboard or other device. Yeah it's slower, so what. Jeff - kg7hdz From PKA at telepost.gl Tue Dec 2 10:48:03 2014 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:48:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CQWW CW with K3 and KPA500 Message-ID: <295D236FD7BC5C44AB750A354BBC9D5B0D753B3D@wmbxnuk1.sianiut.tele.gl> Great combo. Operated 80m for 30 hours with a high duty cycle. KPA temp stabilized at 50C with low level fan going ON and OFF. Smooth and very satisfying! /oz4un From steverob at shoreham.net Tue Dec 2 11:06:59 2014 From: steverob at shoreham.net (Stephen Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for specs for finger pieces for Begali Pearl Message-ID: <12CCAC8E-EB6D-4D17-9511-152E3E7C73E1@shoreham.net> I want to make some wood fingerpieces for a buddy of mine for his Pearl. I'm looking for some measurements...especially screw size and hole spacing. Best 72/73 Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roberts-W1SFR Sudbury, VT http://www.kx3helper.com Stuff for Portable ops and Keys too Fists, CW OPS, QRP ARCI, SKCC, NEQRP, NAQCC, FP, ARRL, Green Mountain Wireless Society (802)779-7489 (cell) From joel.b.black at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 11:11:02 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:11:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Sound Cards Message-ID: <36D3B5BB-1732-4543-9963-6D3D94FF3554@gmail.com> No comments are necessary unless I just really screwed something up. This is just some evidence of how a really good sound card can help with weak signal work. There has been a lot of sound card discussion lately. I?m not wanting to add to that, but Jim (K9YC) has recommended several cards and even given a receive level recommendation of whatever sound card you?re using. I thought I?d give an example. This morning, I was toodling around on 10 m trying a little JT9. Now, at this moment, my hex beam cannot be rotated. I have it pointed west to work SOTA. Here is a snippet of what I heard (and one I worked). Pay attention to the receive levels (pay no attention to the +26 [WA4MIT]. The guy literally lives about three blocks away). The first column is time (U), receive level at my station, I don?t remember what the third column is, frequency shift, and message. The ?@? denotes JT9. 1534 -23 0.1 677 @ CQ G6UQI IO82 1534 -10 0.3 598 @ W9MDB F5JQF 73 1534 -20 0.8 781 @ ON7BL RRR 73 1534 -22 -2.6 981 @ AB3OF R TU 73 1535 -16 0.1 785 @ KQ8M ON7BL 73 1535 -23 0.2 1181 @ CQ N3GTY FM05 1535 -15 0.1 1296 @ G4CFS KB0PPQ R-12 1536 -19 0.1 678 @ CQ G6UQI IO82 1536 -23 -2.8 982 @ CQ 9H1FF JM75 1537 26 0.2 981 @ 9H1FF WA4MIT EM63 1538 -21 0.1 677 @ CQ G6UQI IO82 1538 -23 -2.8 980 @ WA4MIT 9H1FF -05 1539 Transmitting 28.078 MHz JT9: G6UQI W4JBB EM63 1540 -16 0.1 676 @ W4JBB G6UQI -24 1541 Transmitting 28.078 MHz JT9: G6UQI W4JBB R-21 1542 -20 0.1 676 @ W4JBB G6UQI -24 1542 -22 0.8 780 @ N7FN KQ8M -13 1542 -23 -3.0 982 @ CQ 9H1FF JM75 1543 Transmitting 28.078 MHz JT9: G6UQI W4JBB R-21 1544 -16 0.1 675 @ W4JBB RRR 73 1545 Transmitting 28.078 MHz JT9: G6UQI W4JBB 73 These are levels I *regularly* see with my K3 and my sound card which is a Creative Labs E-MU 0204 (discontinued). The one I worked from England is long path for me since I?m pointing west and live in Alabama. When I last tested my SignaLink, the NF was 20 - 30 dB higher than the NF of the 0204. The 0204 only cost about $20 more than the SLUSB not counting cables which are easily made and you?d have to make for the SLUSB anyway. I have yet to try this with my KX3. Although I?ve done the temp compensation for it, I don?t have an after-market heat sink and am apprehensive to try a high duty cycle mode like JTx or Olivia. So, take Jim?s advice. Get a nice sound card for about $100 or so (or less in the case of the Numark) if you really want to hear (and work) some weak signal stuff. 73, Joel - W4JBB From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Tue Dec 2 11:17:36 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:17:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started With CW In-Reply-To: <8AC2745F-5206-41A5-B8EF-217658BDF235@gmail.com> References: <201412010817.sB18Htaq079364@ingra.acsalaska.net> <547C7146.4040807@embarqmail.com> <547C75E2.5090702@subich.com> <19D8B47B-7961-4134-A937-8F9DA0E142ED@gmail.com> <8AC2745F-5206-41A5-B8EF-217658BDF235@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547DE620.9010703@sunflower.com> Ken, great. When you are copying, are you using the K3 decoder or copying in your head at 30 wpm. Uncle Phil, W0xi... > Ken > Monday, December 01, 2014 6:37 PM > Yes, I?ve looked up and understand the theory of Iambic keying but 1) > it?s been weird to try and 2) I haven?t noticed any advantage for me. > Now maybe there is an advantage at higher speeds? But when I?ve run > above 30 wpm, I use a keyboard ;-) > > 73, > Ken WA8JXM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > Ken > Monday, December 01, 2014 3:00 PM > > > Am I missing something? Have I been doing it wrong for years? Yes I > have an Iambic paddle and of course the K3 offers Iambic choice BUT I > NEVER USE IT. I don?t touch both paddles at the same time, my wrist > rocks back and forth and I never squeeze the paddle. > > Seriously I am asking if I?m doing something wrong. > > Thanks, > Ken WA8JXM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > Joe Subich, W4TV > Monday, December 01, 2014 8:06 AM > > > *IF* one must start out with paddles/keyer, learn on Iambic A. Iambic > B was a logic error in the AccuKeyer and simply covers up sloppy (slow) > paddle operation. > > There are really three Iambic modes - based on where the trailing > element decision is made: > > Iambic A which makes the decision at the end of the current element. > If the other paddle is closed at the end of a dit, the keyer adds a > dah. If the other paddle is closed at the end of a dah, the keyer > adds a dit. > > Iambic B makes the decision at the *beginning* of the current element. > If both paddles are closed at the beginning of a dit, the keyer sends > dit-dah. If both paddles are closed at the beginning of a dah, the > keyer sends dah-dit. > > CMOS Super Keyer (Logikeyer) makes the decision *one dit time into* > the current character. If the current element is a dit and both > paddles are closed at the end of the dit, the keyer adds a dah. If > the current element is a dah and both paddles are closed 1/3 of the > way through the dah, the keyer adds a dit. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > > Don Wilhelm > Monday, December 01, 2014 7:46 AM > There are alternatives to Iambic keying. > One way is to use a single lever paddle which makes it impossible to > send those alternating dit/dah sequences that I cannot work with > correctly due to some 'finger habits' that I learned when using a bug. > > Another way is to get a K1EL keyer (or Winkeyer) and try out the > various modes he has built in. > They do have a bug mode, but I have trouble with that one because > there is no control between the string of dits and the timing of the > manual dashes, when used with dual lever paddles. It would probably > be OK with a single lever paddle, but I have not tried it that way. > > With dual lever paddles, I prefer Ultimatic mode. That mode sends a > string of the last paddle closed, which means you can use dit or dah > insertion as well. > > If you are just starting out, you may want to learn to send with dual > lever paddles in Iambic (A or B your choice) and learn the squeeze > sequences as well. That should help you when you get up to speeds > above 30 wpm. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > > Edward R Cole > Monday, December 01, 2014 2:17 AM > I still have my original straight key that I bought in 1958 when I was > practising for my Novice. I didn't have the luxury of a code machine > to send my practise sessions (cassettes had not been invented) so > either I listened on my little 3-tube receiver or I spent hours > sending to myself. I think that resulted in a pretty good "fist". In > the day I could send 18-20wpm easily with the straight key. I guess I > favor learning with a straight key. Learning what proper sounding CW > sounds like one should use tapes or practise programs. Do an hour a > day for a month and you will absorb it. > > Many years later I bought a Bencher-2 but never got very good results > as the K3 keyer only does Iambic. I guess I am too set in my ways > wanting to control the dots and dashes to get hang of Iambic. I > should say I was off CW for decades so having to get back into it. My > straight keying is a little rusty and not as smooth as I used to do, > but In time it'll come back. I wonder if there are any keyers that > just work like a bug but using a paddle? > > I tried CW skimmer and the K3 CW text decoder but I'm not too > impressed as it takes strong, very clean signal to work well. Brain > works better. > > For CW-eme I set up some message scripts where I fill in the other > stations call sign and let the computer send. Eme keeps one quite > busy keeping the antenna pointed, tuning Doppler shift, and listening > to extremely weak signals. Having the transmitting time to fulfill > these other tasks without being tied to the key helps a lot. > > Of course I may still need to send a non-standard reply so the old > straight key is right handy. Setting the spring tension and gap for > fast CW is required using a straight key-most beginners have too wide > a gap setting. Motion of the hand is in the wrist moving up/down with > fingers lightly touching the key. Beginners usually try taping the > key. I can see repetitive motion stress being a problem especially > for us older hams. Why I like computer keying for repetitive calling. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From kd7gc at q.com Tue Dec 2 11:20:15 2014 From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:20:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for specs for finger pieces for Begali Pearl In-Reply-To: <12CCAC8E-EB6D-4D17-9511-152E3E7C73E1@shoreham.net> References: <12CCAC8E-EB6D-4D17-9511-152E3E7C73E1@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <010101d00e4b$cf418ca0$6dc4a5e0$@com> Just have him send an email to the factory asking for the info. Otherwise, he could get the measurements from his stock finger pieces. 73 Alan R. Downing Phoenix, AZ From: Millerhill [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7595383h58 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:08 AM To: kd7gc Subject: Looking for specs for finger pieces for Begali Pearl I want to make some wood fingerpieces for a buddy of mine for his Pearl. I'm looking for some measurements...especially screw size and hole spacing. Best 72/73 Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roberts-W1SFR Sudbury, VT http://www.kx3helper.com Stuff for Portable ops and Keys too Fists, CW OPS, QRP ARCI, SKCC, NEQRP, NAQCC, FP, ARRL, Green Mountain Wireless Society (802)779-7489 (cell) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Looking-for-specs-for-finger-pieces-for -Begali-Pearl-tp7595383.html To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Looking-for-specs-for-finger-pieces-for-Begali-Pearl-tp7595383p7595386.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Dec 2 12:48:56 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:48:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: <19FCB9A6-279C-40F4-801A-4F66A4F1962A@liberty.edu> References: , <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> <19FCB9A6-279C-40F4-801A-4F66A4F1962A@liberty.edu> Message-ID: <547DFB88.5080401@foothill.net> Well Jeff, Nearly all of this left-right thread has involved us "more mature" hams discussing early paddle experiences, often as teens or early 20-somethings. Learning and adapting ability, particularly physically, does tend to decline some as we accumulate birthdays. Things have also changed dramatically. We are no longer required to write in log books as we operate. Transceivers, with a Big Knob, have replaced transmitters and receivers with a multitude of knobs. My K3 and WinKey have CW memories, just tap the button. As a result, many of my reasons for learning to send right-handed have disappeared. It looks like you're in the "more mature" class with the rest of us. I'd recommend doing what feels natural for you and what makes operating enjoyable. I doubt, today in 2014, you'll gain much advantage forcing yourself to send left if you're right-handed. It doesn't matter how your paddle is set up unless you find yourself operating at other stations or in teams [e.g. FD] which will be predominantly right-ish. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/2/2014 7:35 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > So, as a rightie, should I start off > sending with my left? If I do, should I reverse it? Would that make > it easier to swap to my right? Or, just start sending with my right? > (Well, four questions.) For copying, I do it the old-fashioned way - > pen and paper, and shorthand scribble-characters. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 2 13:20:17 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:20:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: <547DFB88.5080401@foothill.net> References: , <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> <19FCB9A6-279C-40F4-801A-4F66A4F1962A@liberty.edu> <547DFB88.5080401@foothill.net> Message-ID: <547E02E1.1090301@socal.rr.com> Nicely phrased, Fred. The next time someone accuses me of a senile act I'll tell them "No, that's just my greater maturity coming through" :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/2/14 9:48 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Well Jeff, > > Nearly all of this left-right thread has > involved us "more mature" hams discussing early > paddle experiences, often as teens or early > 20-somethings. Learning and adapting ability, > particularly physically, does tend to decline > some as we accumulate birthdays. > > Things have also changed dramatically. We are > no longer required to write in log books as we > operate. Transceivers, with a Big Knob, have > replaced transmitters and receivers with a > multitude of knobs. My K3 and WinKey have CW > memories, just tap the button. As a result, many > of my reasons for learning to send right-handed > have disappeared. > > It looks like you're in the "more mature" class > with the rest of us. I'd recommend doing what > feels natural for you and what makes operating > enjoyable. I doubt, today in 2014, you'll gain > much advantage forcing yourself to send left if > you're right-handed. It doesn't matter how your > paddle is set up unless you find yourself > operating at other stations or in teams [e.g. > FD] which will be predominantly right-ish. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party > 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/2/2014 7:35 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > >> So, as a rightie, should I start off >> sending with my left? If I do, should I reverse >> it? Would that make >> it easier to swap to my right? Or, just start >> sending with my right? >> (Well, four questions.) For copying, I do it >> the old-fashioned way - >> pen and paper, and shorthand scribble-characters. From pfizenmayer at q.com Tue Dec 2 13:39:47 2014 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: <547E02E1.1090301@socal.rr.com> References: , <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> <19FCB9A6-279C-40F4-801A-4F66A4F1962A@liberty.edu><547DFB88.5080401@foothill.net> <547E02E1.1090301@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: There is one thing no one has mentioned - I work a guy fairly often who can send with either hand - he tells me he taught himself to do that so if he had a stroke that affected one side he was still in business. Hank K7HP From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 13:52:37 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:52:37 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for specs for finger pieces for Begali Pearl In-Reply-To: <12CCAC8E-EB6D-4D17-9511-152E3E7C73E1@shoreham.net> References: <12CCAC8E-EB6D-4D17-9511-152E3E7C73E1@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <547E0A75.8080204@gmail.com> On my Pearl, the spacing is 9mm. The screws are also metric, 3 x 0.5 x 5 flat head. By the way, since there has been lots of talk about paddles, I have never used one I like better (and I always try out paddles every chance I get). On 2 Dec 2014 18:06, Stephen Roberts wrote: > I want to make some wood fingerpieces for a buddy of mine for his > Pearl. I'm looking for some measurements...especially screw size and > hole spacing. > > > > > Best 72/73 Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Roberts-W1SFR > Sudbury, VT http://www.kx3helper.com Stuff for Portable ops and Keys > too Fists, CW OPS, QRP ARCI, SKCC, NEQRP, NAQCC, FP, ARRL, Green > Mountain Wireless Society (802)779-7489 (cell) -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 2 14:11:06 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<< Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as high , so he could get more PUNCH?????! ((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in > it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest > > >? ? ? From: brian > To: Harry Yingst > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices > > Harry, > > Which bandplan?? There are many.? EU bandplans are different from Asian > band plans for example.? ? There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who > plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs.? Then > they bemoan interference? > > If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to > avoid all the little niches. > > Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY > contests are a good example.? Do you really think it can be constrained > to be within 14080 and 14090? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > >> On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan >> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating. >> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys. >> >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? From: Ken G Kopp >>? To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>? Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM >>? Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices >>? ? >> Jim is speaks the truth..... >> >> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called >> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place >> in the "lid" line. >> >> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. >> >> In the contesting arena time is all-important!? Seconds saved count.? FD, >> especially, brings out every lid-ism.? It's actually easy to have one ... >> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number".? Add >> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >>> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >>>> >>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >>>> another station. >>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is >>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing >>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone >>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call >>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW >>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters >>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" >>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. >>> >>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied >>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded >>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it >>> wrong. >>> >>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > >> >> >>? ? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4223/8663 - Release Date: 12/01/14 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From k9osccw at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 14:35:33 2014 From: k9osccw at gmail.com (Bob Brock) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 13:35:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] R Message-ID: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> My immutable Law Of Fuses: if you need one, buy five. If it's because you were tinkering, buy ten. From kf7gc at arrl.net Tue Dec 2 14:41:12 2014 From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE KX-1 Message-ID: <752312629.2434498.1417549272640.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Nice working QRP KX-1 with 40 and 20 meters installed. 0.1-4watts output. Comeswith the battery holder, the KXPD1 plug in keyer paddle kit, the KXAT1automatic antenna tuner, and all the manuals.?Serial number 2247. Lots of QRPfun. $375.00 shipped CONUSA. Call Tomy 928-710-9231 Paypal OK. ?73! Tomy KF7GC From w2bvh at comcast.net Tue Dec 2 14:47:43 2014 From: w2bvh at comcast.net (w2bvh) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 14:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] R In-Reply-To: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> References: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547E175F.2080608@comcast.net> Good rule for lots of things besides fuses. (Though I suppose it doesn't apply to BMW's). 73, Lenny W2BVH ps - no one seems to carry factory tested fuses ;-) ... (polyfuses excepted) On 12/2/2014 2:35 PM, Bob Brock wrote: > > My immutable Law Of Fuses: if you need one, buy five. If it's because you were tinkering, buy ten. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2bvh at comcast.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 2 15:50:06 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1712149471.4009606.1417553406232.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am shocked to see people that believe you can legislate social?behavior. Heck there are laws ?against murder, but people still do it George, W6GF On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:18 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: >>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<< Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as high , so he could get more PUNCH?????! ((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS ? ? ? From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices ? The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in > it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest > > >? ? ? From: brian > To: Harry Yingst > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices > > Harry, > > Which bandplan?? There are many.? EU bandplans are different from Asian > band plans for example.? ? There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who > plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs.? Then > they bemoan interference? > > If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to > avoid all the little niches. > > Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY > contests are a good example.? Do you really think it can be constrained > to be within 14080 and 14090? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > >> On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan >> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating. >> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys. >> >> >> >> >>? ? ? ? From: Ken G Kopp >>? To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>? Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM >>? Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices >>? ? >> Jim is speaks the truth..... >> >> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called >> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place >> in the "lid" line. >> >> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. >> >> In the contesting arena time is all-important!? Seconds saved count.? FD, >> especially, brings out every lid-ism.? It's actually easy to have one ... >> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number".? Add >> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >>> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >>>> >>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >>>> another station. >>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is >>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing >>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone >>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call >>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW >>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters >>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" >>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. >>> >>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied >>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded >>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it >>> wrong. >>> >>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > >> >> >>? ? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4223/8663 - Release Date: 12/01/14 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 2 16:22:09 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:22:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Sound Cards In-Reply-To: <36D3B5BB-1732-4543-9963-6D3D94FF3554@gmail.com> References: <36D3B5BB-1732-4543-9963-6D3D94FF3554@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547E2D81.40205@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,12/2/2014 8:11 AM, Joel Black wrote: > So, take Jim?s advice. Get a nice sound card for about $100 or so (or less in the case of the Numark) if you really want to hear (and work) some weak signal stuff. Thanks for the excellent examples of what a good sound card can do. And don't rule out a used or closeout Tascam from EBay, amazon, etc. 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 2 16:23:44 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:23:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Message-ID: <55D61B9D-D8DE-4E15-8155-17EE99F022CC@yahoo.com> For those who have a smart phone & are trying to learn CW, I can recommend, "Ham Morse". I have it on my iPhone & you can listen to it when your driving or wherever you are and have some time to study. It's available at the App Store for iPhones & likely somewhere similar for other phones. My two cents. ?It?s easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled? --Mark Twain-- ...so true...so very very very true. From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 2 17:34:24 2014 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 14:34:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] R In-Reply-To: <547E175F.2080608@comcast.net> References: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> <547E175F.2080608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <547E3E70.8030006@sbcglobal.net> Be sure to test the fuse for a dead short before installing it. :-) 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 12/2/2014 11:47 AM, w2bvh wrote: > Good rule for lots of things besides fuses. (Though I suppose it > doesn't apply to BMW's). > > 73, Lenny W2BVH > > ps - no one seems to carry factory tested fuses ;-) ... (polyfuses > excepted) > From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 2 17:41:28 2014 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 14:41:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <1712149471.4009606.1417553406232.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1712149471.4009606.1417553406232.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547E4018.40200@sbcglobal.net> Especially when general guidelines, like best practices and bandplans, don't have the force of law. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 12/2/2014 12:50 PM, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > I am shocked to see people that believe you can legislate social behavior. Heck there are laws against murder, but people still do it > George, W6GF > > On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:18 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > > > >>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<< > Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as high , so he could get more PUNCH?????! > > ((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 2 18:06:16 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:06:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW In-Reply-To: <55D61B9D-D8DE-4E15-8155-17EE99F022CC@yahoo.com> References: <55D61B9D-D8DE-4E15-8155-17EE99F022CC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547E45E8.3040608@socal.rr.com> And to make it really interesting maybe an audio book sent in Morse code, Tom:-) Phil W7OX On 12/2/14 1:23 PM, Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft wrote: > For those who have a smart phone & are trying to learn CW, I can recommend, "Ham Morse". I have it on my iPhone & you can listen to it when your driving or wherever you are and have some time to study. It's available at the App Store for iPhones & likely somewhere similar for other phones. My two cents. > > > ?It?s easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled? > --Mark Twain-- > > ...so true...so very very very true. From riese-k3djc at juno.com Tue Dec 2 18:10:16 2014 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices Message-ID: hand in hand with ESSB,, not shure why a 5 khz signal sounds better that someone running a 3 Khz ssb ,,,, they may as well just run AM HAR Bob K3DJC On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) "Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft" writes: > >>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) > running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 > miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<< > Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as > high , so he could get more PUNCH?????! > > ((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS From jackbrindle at me.com Tue Dec 2 19:27:25 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 16:27:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: References: <547CE183.8090300@nc.rr.com> <1701464265.2145460.1417482248723.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100158.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09E69C18-3462-4397-85AB-CEDDEE5B94C6@me.com> But can he hear you? It is quite common for stations on the same frequency not to be able to hear each other. It could be due to power differential, propagation conditions, or other similar situations. If you are running very low power, but with a received (such as the K3) that matches very well with a high power transmitter, you may be able to hear someone who simply cannot hear your low-power signal. To then blame them for the situation you face doesn?t make sense. Come join us in contesting and you will encounter this on a regular basis, where shifts in propagation over time will turn a completely clear frequency shared by two stations into a complete mess where the stations QRM each other. Eventually one (or both) will have to QSY to get their rate going again. This is just one of the situations that makes things both fun and challenging. 73! Jack B, W6FB > On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:02 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > > The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." > Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. > > Jeff - kg7hdz > > > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in >> it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest >> >> >> From: brian >> To: Harry Yingst >> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices >> >> Harry, >> >> Which bandplan? There are many. EU bandplans are different from Asian >> band plans for example. There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who >> plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs. Then >> they bemoan interference? >> >> If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to >> avoid all the little niches. >> >> Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY >> contests are a good example. Do you really think it can be constrained >> to be within 14080 and 14090? >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >>> On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >>> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan >>> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating. >>> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Ken G Kopp >>> To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM >>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices >>> >>> Jim is speaks the truth..... >>> >>> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called >>> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place >>> in the "lid" line. >>> >>> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too. >>> >>> In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD, >>> especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ... >>> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add >>> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Ken Kopp - K0PP >>>> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface >>>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with >>>>> another station. >>>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is >>>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing >>>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone >>>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call >>>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW >>>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters >>>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R" >>>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign. >>>> >>>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied >>>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded >>>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it >>>> wrong. >>>> >>>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN. >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4223/8663 - Release Date: 12/01/14 >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue Dec 2 19:35:08 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:35:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Message-ID: There is an Android app that will read text files out in code...? 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From: Phil Wheeler
Date:12/02/2014 6:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW
And to make it really interesting maybe an audio book sent in Morse code, Tom:-) Phil W7OX On 12/2/14 1:23 PM, Tom Fitzgerald via Elecraft wrote: > For those who have a smart phone & are trying to learn CW, I can recommend, "Ham Morse". I have it on my iPhone & you can listen to it when your driving or wherever you are and have some time to study. It's available at the App Store for iPhones & likely somewhere similar for other phones. My two cents. > > > ?It?s easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled? > --Mark Twain-- > > ...so true...so very very very true. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Dec 2 19:53:51 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:53:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <0B75C705-55CC-4C01-BA5B-51CDAAF68AD3@gmail.com> References: <0B75C705-55CC-4C01-BA5B-51CDAAF68AD3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490@elecraft.com> Interesting thread. The dust appears to be settling, so I thought I'd weigh in. Whether I'm biased or not is left as a study question for the reader ;) We designed the KX3 specifically for new hams. Here are some considerations: - The KX3's size and weight allows it to be used anywhere, and powered from a small battery or power supply, even its internal battery pack. This means you don't have to evict anyone from precious desk or table real-estate as you dabble in your new hobby. At least not right away. You can move around, maybe use a corner of the garage, or an RV, or a picnic table. This is why we call it "ultraportable." - The KX3 has about half as many controls as the K3 and other full-featured desktop radios. We kept only the essentials. And you don't need to use all of the rig's features. You can start with the basics -- VFO, AF GAIN, MODE, BAND up and down. The default settings of the radio pretty much just work. Set the power level you want and start tuning around. - The owner's manual is written with new hams in mind, with supplemental information about antennas, operating modes, and the nature of the different HF bands. We don't go into a huge amount of detail, but it's enough to get you started, and you already have a few thousand friends on the Elecraft and KX3 reflectors if you want to dive into deeper waters. The manual is organized so that basic operation is covered right up front. As time permits, you can try each more advanced feature. - At 12 W (8 to 10 on the highest few bands), the KX3's power output is only 9 dB below 100 W. Thanks to the beauty of logarithmic phenomena, that's only 1.5 to 2.5 S-units depending on whose S-meter standard you're basing it on. (We use roughly a 5-dB-per-S-unit standard at Elecraft.) Yes, it can be harder to work stations using SSB mode when you're two S-units down, but if you avoid pileups and stick with calling stations that are well above the noise level, you'll have no trouble making SSB contacts. - The KX3's wide-range ATU can greatly simplify the process of erecting antennas for all bands. Here's the simplest case: One piece of wire about 25 feet long, tossed into a tree, and a similar wire laid on the ground, can be connected directly to the radio with a BNC-to-binding post adapter (no coax). The ATU can tune this on 40-6 meters. If the wires are 50 feet long, you can also cover 60 and 80 meters. That's 80-6 meters with two wires, no coax, and a support provided free by nature (or your neighbors). Obviously you can improve on this to better your odds, say by using an off-center-fed wire of 50 to 100 feet long supported in the middle by a 20 to 40 foot pole or tree and fed with twinlead or ladder line. A balun (e.g. Elecraft BL2) would then be used at the rig to convert this sortof-balanced antenna to the radio, through a short length of coax (1 to 2 feet). - Hams who are transitioning from VHF/UHF to HF might want to add the 2-meter module (3 watts, all modes, including repeater controls, DTMF, memories, etc.). When you get tired of exploring the vast wilds of the HF bands, you can return to the familiarity of 2-m FM, etc., and chat with the locals. 73, Wayne N6KR From jwiley at gci.net Tue Dec 2 21:02:19 2014 From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:02:19 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] R In-Reply-To: <547E3E70.8030006@sbcglobal.net> References: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> <547E175F.2080608@comcast.net> <547E3E70.8030006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <547E6F2B.6020108@gci.net> Oh dear! After reading this, I immediately checked all my spare fuses, and every one was shorted. I guess a trip to the local electronics store is in order. Back in the old days, I used to have a flashbulb tester. Maybe I can make a modified version of that device to test fuses. ;-) - Jim, KL7CC On 12/2/2014 1:34 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > Be sure to test the fuse for a dead short before installing it. :-) > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > > On 12/2/2014 11:47 AM, w2bvh wrote: >> Good rule for lots of things besides fuses. (Though I suppose it >> doesn't apply to BMW's). >> >> 73, Lenny W2BVH >> >> ps - no one seems to carry factory tested fuses ;-) ... (polyfuses >> excepted) >> > From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Tue Dec 2 21:46:58 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:46:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] R In-Reply-To: <547E6F2B.6020108@gci.net> References: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> <547E3E70.8030006@sbcglobal.net> <547E6F2B.6020108@gci.net> Message-ID: <201412022046.58580.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> A "device" to test fuses? W7CSD already beat you to it with his "Little Gem Fuse Tester" on page 94 of the April 1967 issue of 73 magazine. If you want to see his innovative design, it is available for your viewing pleasure at archive.org. (You can't miss it, look for Al Freddy Newham WN1ECCH on the cover....) 73, Al On Tue December 2 2014 8:02:19 pm Jim Wiley wrote: > Oh dear! After reading this, I immediately checked all my spare fuses, > and every one was shorted. I guess a trip to the local electronics > store is in order. > > Back in the old days, I used to have a flashbulb tester. Maybe I can > make a modified version of that device to test fuses. ;-) > > - Jim, KL7CC > > On 12/2/2014 1:34 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > > Be sure to test the fuse for a dead short before installing it. :-) > > > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > > > > On 12/2/2014 11:47 AM, w2bvh wrote: > >> Good rule for lots of things besides fuses. (Though I suppose it > >> doesn't apply to BMW's). > >> > >> 73, Lenny W2BVH > >> > >> ps - no one seems to carry factory tested fuses ;-) ... (polyfuses > >> excepted) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From dezrat at outlook.com Tue Dec 2 22:44:42 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:44:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] R In-Reply-To: <547E6F2B.6020108@gci.net> References: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> <547E175F.2080608@comcast.net> <547E3E70.8030006@sbcglobal.net> <547E6F2B.6020108@gci.net> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On 12/2/2014 6:02 PM, Jim Wiley wrote: > Oh dear! After reading this, I immediately checked all my spare > fuses, and every one was shorted. I guess a trip to the local > electronics store is in order. > > Back in the old days, I used to have a flashbulb tester. Maybe I can > make a modified version of that device to test fuses. ;-) > > - Jim, KL7CC REPLY: No need for a trip to the store. You can clear a shorted fuse by connecting a battery across it. Works every time. You're welcome. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT From ormandj at corenode.com Wed Dec 3 01:23:36 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 00:23:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490@elecraft.com> References: <0B75C705-55CC-4C01-BA5B-51CDAAF68AD3@gmail.com> <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I am a new ham, licensed this year (general). Wayne obviously has the design perspective re: KX3 but I wanted to talk about my experience. I'm in IT, and an engineer, so I research anything I am looking at purchasing quite heavily prior to purchase. I won't talk about why my research lead me to purchase a KX3 (and then a KXPA100, and PX3) - but I will talk about what I've found from using it, and using other people's radios. 1) Intuitive controls, menus, and logic. I can't state this one strongly enough. After having used friend's Yaesu, Icom, and even Kenwood radios, the Elecraft just makes sense. It took me minutes to get up and running with the KX3 and talking with folks SSB, as well as using digital modes. There were a few things I had to look up in the manual (when I encountered a station running split, for example) but 90% of what I've encountered I've been able to figure out without needing to reference the manual. I can't say the same for the other brand radios I've used. There's nothing wrong with those other radios, but the Elecraft just makes sense. I've had friends ask to use my KX3 as they were interested in it, and the same held true. They were able to perform most operations with little guidance, because it just makes sense. 2) Receive ability I've A/B compared my KX3 with a lot of other radios on the same antennas, and I've yet to find one that outperforms the KX3 - and I've run it against plenty of non-portable setups. I'm sure some exist, but I haven't encountered them, and I know of nothing portable that will touch the KX3 in receive capability. I live in a location with an HOA so my antenna situation is heavily compromised. Having the ability to pull signals out from noise is the difference between being on the air and not being on the air. I live next door to an air force base. I still routinely talk to people all over the US, Canada, South America, and beyond with a wire antenna that's 5' off the ground (fence-line loop fed with 450ohm window line). Sure, plenty of QRM to go around, especially when the AFB kicks off whatever radar/etc that pollutes 20m/40m/80m/etc - but I can still receive. I've had 857s over here who were unable to copy conversations, then swapped to the KX3 and while not ideal, I could get a a 100% copy. 3) Portability I camp a LOT. I can't speak highly enough about the portability of the KX3. I have 4 4200mAh LiFE batteries that I rotate through, but I've rarely had to use more than two on week long trips. I use an EFHW antenna I made tossed into trees or hung from a crappie fishing pole. Even at maximum power output on SSB, I get a huge amount of runtime out of the KX3. Only once have I had to move to the second battery on a week long camping trip, and I was very active on digital modes for that trip. I haven't done a recent measurement, but I was ~ 100-150mA draw before I got my PX3 in receive. That's 28 hours on one of those batteries (they actually are 4200-4500 mAh of capacity when tested, so could probably do an hour or two more). 4) Quality These radios are solid. I've added a Side KX to my KX3/PX3 just because they get chucked into camping backpacks quite often, but these radios are made to last. Everything fits well, everything has a very solid feel. Parts like the LCD cover (I think it's termed a screen bezel by Elecraft) are replaceable; these units were engineered to survive use and even if you manage to goof up, you can get another one and you're set. Little touches like this don't seem important until you need them. 5) Customer support I can not speak highly enough about this. I've called Elecraft for a few things since I've purchased their radio, and they have been amazingly helpful. My most recent call was asking about using the PX3 signal generator as a source for doing the temperature compensation procedure with the KX3 (don't do it!) I've always received extremely helpful advice, and had quite wonderful conversations. I've learned a lot just from those interactions, as the people at Elecraft truly do care about the hobby, and want to help out when they can. I spoke with Elecraft before I was an owner, and the information I received was not only very helpful and thorough, but it went far beyond just their product line. It's obvious this is a company that cares about amateur radio, and wants potential hobbyists to join in. I probably wouldn't be on the air at this point if it hadn't been for the helpful people at Elecraft talking to me about the ins/outs, and sharing their experiences. I hope that helps in your decision making. There are far more bullet points that I could add, but I don't want to overwhelm someone seeking to join the club. In my honest opinion, you'd be hard pressed to find a better route to go as a new ham. I'm a buy once, cry once kind of person - and the KX3 is a great way to go. If I'd purchased something else, I'd have upgraded by now based on my experience with other radios I've been around. I have 0 desire to move away from my KX3, and I've already had a few friends convert to one. David/K5DJO On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Interesting thread. The dust appears to be settling, so I thought I'd > weigh in. Whether I'm biased or not is left as a study question for the > reader ;) > > We designed the KX3 specifically for new hams. Here are some > considerations: > > - The KX3's size and weight allows it to be used anywhere, and powered > from a small battery or power supply, even its internal battery pack. This > means you don't have to evict anyone from precious desk or table > real-estate as you dabble in your new hobby. At least not right away. You > can move around, maybe use a corner of the garage, or an RV, or a picnic > table. This is why we call it "ultraportable." > > - The KX3 has about half as many controls as the K3 and other > full-featured desktop radios. We kept only the essentials. And you don't > need to use all of the rig's features. You can start with the basics -- > VFO, AF GAIN, MODE, BAND up and down. The default settings of the radio > pretty much just work. Set the power level you want and start tuning around. > > - The owner's manual is written with new hams in mind, with supplemental > information about antennas, operating modes, and the nature of the > different HF bands. We don't go into a huge amount of detail, but it's > enough to get you started, and you already have a few thousand friends on > the Elecraft and KX3 reflectors if you want to dive into deeper waters. The > manual is organized so that basic operation is covered right up front. As > time permits, you can try each more advanced feature. > > - At 12 W (8 to 10 on the highest few bands), the KX3's power output is > only 9 dB below 100 W. Thanks to the beauty of logarithmic phenomena, > that's only 1.5 to 2.5 S-units depending on whose S-meter standard you're > basing it on. (We use roughly a 5-dB-per-S-unit standard at Elecraft.) Yes, > it can be harder to work stations using SSB mode when you're two S-units > down, but if you avoid pileups and stick with calling stations that are > well above the noise level, you'll have no trouble making SSB contacts. > > - The KX3's wide-range ATU can greatly simplify the process of erecting > antennas for all bands. Here's the simplest case: One piece of wire about > 25 feet long, tossed into a tree, and a similar wire laid on the ground, > can be connected directly to the radio with a BNC-to-binding post adapter > (no coax). The ATU can tune this on 40-6 meters. If the wires are 50 feet > long, you can also cover 60 and 80 meters. That's 80-6 meters with two > wires, no coax, and a support provided free by nature (or your neighbors). > Obviously you can improve on this to better your odds, say by using an > off-center-fed wire of 50 to 100 feet long supported in the middle by a 20 > to 40 foot pole or tree and fed with twinlead or ladder line. A balun (e.g. > Elecraft BL2) would then be used at the rig to convert this sortof-balanced > antenna to the radio, through a short length of coax (1 to 2 feet). > > - Hams who are transitioning from VHF/UHF to HF might want to add the > 2-meter module (3 watts, all modes, including repeater controls, DTMF, > memories, etc.). When you get tired of exploring the vast wilds of the HF > bands, you can return to the familiarity of 2-m FM, etc., and chat with the > locals. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From plambert at qa.com.au Wed Dec 3 01:45:29 2014 From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:45:29 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: <0B75C705-55CC-4C01-BA5B-51CDAAF68AD3@gmail.com> <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <011b01d00ec4$bcb323e0$36196ba0$@qa.com.au> Elecraft customer support is second to none. The KX3 is definitely a keeper - you just don't see these things selling second hand. That's a pretty good indicator of customer satisfaction. In my opinion the KX3 is a brilliant bit of kit and something you'll never regret purchasing (and will keep forever). Peter VK4JD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Orman Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2014 4:24 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? I am a new ham, licensed this year (general). Wayne obviously has the design perspective re: KX3 but I wanted to talk about my experience. I'm in IT, and an engineer, so I research anything I am looking at purchasing quite heavily prior to purchase. I won't talk about why my research lead me to purchase a KX3 (and then a KXPA100, and PX3) - but I will talk about what I've found from using it, and using other people's radios. 1) Intuitive controls, menus, and logic. I can't state this one strongly enough. After having used friend's Yaesu, Icom, and even Kenwood radios, the Elecraft just makes sense. It took me minutes to get up and running with the KX3 and talking with folks SSB, as well as using digital modes. There were a few things I had to look up in the manual (when I encountered a station running split, for example) but 90% of what I've encountered I've been able to figure out without needing to reference the manual. I can't say the same for the other brand radios I've used. There's nothing wrong with those other radios, but the Elecraft just makes sense. I've had friends ask to use my KX3 as they were interested in it, and the same held true. They were able to perform most operations with little guidance, because it just makes sense. 2) Receive ability I've A/B compared my KX3 with a lot of other radios on the same antennas, and I've yet to find one that outperforms the KX3 - and I've run it against plenty of non-portable setups. I'm sure some exist, but I haven't encountered them, and I know of nothing portable that will touch the KX3 in receive capability. I live in a location with an HOA so my antenna situation is heavily compromised. Having the ability to pull signals out from noise is the difference between being on the air and not being on the air. I live next door to an air force base. I still routinely talk to people all over the US, Canada, South America, and beyond with a wire antenna that's 5' off the ground (fence-line loop fed with 450ohm window line). Sure, plenty of QRM to go around, especially when the AFB kicks off whatever radar/etc that pollutes 20m/40m/80m/etc - but I can still receive. I've had 857s over here who were unable to copy conversations, then swapped to the KX3 and while not ideal, I could get a a 100% copy. 3) Portability I camp a LOT. I can't speak highly enough about the portability of the KX3. I have 4 4200mAh LiFE batteries that I rotate through, but I've rarely had to use more than two on week long trips. I use an EFHW antenna I made tossed into trees or hung from a crappie fishing pole. Even at maximum power output on SSB, I get a huge amount of runtime out of the KX3. Only once have I had to move to the second battery on a week long camping trip, and I was very active on digital modes for that trip. I haven't done a recent measurement, but I was ~ 100-150mA draw before I got my PX3 in receive. That's 28 hours on one of those batteries (they actually are 4200-4500 mAh of capacity when tested, so could probably do an hour or two more). 4) Quality These radios are solid. I've added a Side KX to my KX3/PX3 just because they get chucked into camping backpacks quite often, but these radios are made to last. Everything fits well, everything has a very solid feel. Parts like the LCD cover (I think it's termed a screen bezel by Elecraft) are replaceable; these units were engineered to survive use and even if you manage to goof up, you can get another one and you're set. Little touches like this don't seem important until you need them. 5) Customer support I can not speak highly enough about this. I've called Elecraft for a few things since I've purchased their radio, and they have been amazingly helpful. My most recent call was asking about using the PX3 signal generator as a source for doing the temperature compensation procedure with the KX3 (don't do it!) I've always received extremely helpful advice, and had quite wonderful conversations. I've learned a lot just from those interactions, as the people at Elecraft truly do care about the hobby, and want to help out when they can. I spoke with Elecraft before I was an owner, and the information I received was not only very helpful and thorough, but it went far beyond just their product line. It's obvious this is a company that cares about amateur radio, and wants potential hobbyists to join in. I probably wouldn't be on the air at this point if it hadn't been for the helpful people at Elecraft talking to me about the ins/outs, and sharing their experiences. I hope that helps in your decision making. There are far more bullet points that I could add, but I don't want to overwhelm someone seeking to join the club. In my honest opinion, you'd be hard pressed to find a better route to go as a new ham. I'm a buy once, cry once kind of person - and the KX3 is a great way to go. If I'd purchased something else, I'd have upgraded by now based on my experience with other radios I've been around. I have 0 desire to move away from my KX3, and I've already had a few friends convert to one. David/K5DJO On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Interesting thread. The dust appears to be settling, so I thought I'd > weigh in. Whether I'm biased or not is left as a study question for > the reader ;) > > We designed the KX3 specifically for new hams. Here are some > considerations: > > - The KX3's size and weight allows it to be used anywhere, and powered > from a small battery or power supply, even its internal battery pack. > This means you don't have to evict anyone from precious desk or table > real-estate as you dabble in your new hobby. At least not right away. > You can move around, maybe use a corner of the garage, or an RV, or a > picnic table. This is why we call it "ultraportable." > > - The KX3 has about half as many controls as the K3 and other > full-featured desktop radios. We kept only the essentials. And you > don't need to use all of the rig's features. You can start with the > basics -- VFO, AF GAIN, MODE, BAND up and down. The default settings > of the radio pretty much just work. Set the power level you want and start tuning around. > > - The owner's manual is written with new hams in mind, with > supplemental information about antennas, operating modes, and the > nature of the different HF bands. We don't go into a huge amount of > detail, but it's enough to get you started, and you already have a few > thousand friends on the Elecraft and KX3 reflectors if you want to > dive into deeper waters. The manual is organized so that basic > operation is covered right up front. As time permits, you can try each more advanced feature. > > - At 12 W (8 to 10 on the highest few bands), the KX3's power output > is only 9 dB below 100 W. Thanks to the beauty of logarithmic > phenomena, that's only 1.5 to 2.5 S-units depending on whose S-meter > standard you're basing it on. (We use roughly a 5-dB-per-S-unit > standard at Elecraft.) Yes, it can be harder to work stations using > SSB mode when you're two S-units down, but if you avoid pileups and > stick with calling stations that are well above the noise level, you'll have no trouble making SSB contacts. > > - The KX3's wide-range ATU can greatly simplify the process of > erecting antennas for all bands. Here's the simplest case: One piece > of wire about > 25 feet long, tossed into a tree, and a similar wire laid on the > ground, can be connected directly to the radio with a BNC-to-binding > post adapter (no coax). The ATU can tune this on 40-6 meters. If the > wires are 50 feet long, you can also cover 60 and 80 meters. That's > 80-6 meters with two wires, no coax, and a support provided free by nature (or your neighbors). > Obviously you can improve on this to better your odds, say by using an > off-center-fed wire of 50 to 100 feet long supported in the middle by > a 20 to 40 foot pole or tree and fed with twinlead or ladder line. A balun (e.g. > Elecraft BL2) would then be used at the rig to convert this > sortof-balanced antenna to the radio, through a short length of coax (1 to 2 feet). > > - Hams who are transitioning from VHF/UHF to HF might want to add the > 2-meter module (3 watts, all modes, including repeater controls, DTMF, > memories, etc.). When you get tired of exploring the vast wilds of the > HF bands, you can return to the familiarity of 2-m FM, etc., and chat > with the locals. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ormandj at corenode.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to plambert at qa.com.au From jwiley at gci.net Wed Dec 3 09:12:53 2014 From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 05:12:53 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K2, KPA100, etc for sale Message-ID: <547F1A65.2030808@gci.net> For sale: from Jim, KL7CC email: KL7CC at arrl.net Offered here to list members for to 1 week. If not sold here, then it goes to eBay, at a higher asking price. Offers are welcome. I may decide to accept a different price, or a partial trade. Send me an email with your offer to find out. Professionally assembled and calibrated Elecraft K2 station for sale. CW, data or SSB, 160 through 10 meters. Assembled and tested by professional electronics engineer and quality assurance specialist. 100% operational, meets or exceeds all current specs. From a non-smoking environment, with many accessories and extras. Will sell the K2 by itself, or the combined K2 + amp/tuner, or just the amplifier-tuner. Save US $100.00 with the combo price. The K2 radio can be coupled to the 100-watt amp + automatic antenna coupler for a completely integrated home or RV mounted station. The 100-watt amplifier + automatic antenna tuner is in a separate enclosure for maximum operational flexibility. For emergency or easy to carry portable use, simply disconnect the cables between the two boxes, leaving a low powered (approximately 15 to 20-watt) station that is complete with its own internal auto-coupler and gel-cell battery. In this configuration, you get a complete station that fits inside a zip-up lockable canvas carry bag (Samsonite) that is about the size of "fat" 3-ring binder Run-time on internal battery is of course dependent on charge and transmit power level, but typically it will be good for an entire weekend of casual CW or SSB contacts. The battery can be charged from external 12-volts DC, or by using the supplied AC powered charger / power supply. All items are in very good cosmetic condition, no dents, chipped paint, or scratches (a few very light wear markings) and are from a non-smoking environment. Internal and external photographs are available on request. Price _includes_ prepaid insured shipping via USPS Priority mail or FedEx 2nd day air (my option) to all 50 US states and territories. Shipping to other countries will be calculated as needed, and is in addition to prices quoted. Applicable customs fees and other import charges, if any, are the responsibility of the purchaser. Contact me off list for additional information and answers to your questions. send email to: KL7CC at arrl.net _______________________ Basic radio: Elecraft K2 S/N 3935 (see also: separate 100-watt amplifier / antenna coupler, below) This K2 includes all software and hardware updates and mods to meet current production specs Options included with base K2 radio (all fully assembled and tested unless noted): KSB2 SSB adapter KIO2 RS-232 interface KAT2 Automatic antenna coupler (20 watt internal) KNB2 Noise blanker KDSP2 Advanced DSP filter and real-time clock KBT2 Internal battery (with new battery) K160RX 160-meter and 2nd RX antenna module FDIMP Finger dimple for tuning knob Original Rev. E assembly manual with updates. (manual is completely free of pen/pencil marks) New, unused K2VCO shield kit (not needed and never installed, since 100-watt PA is in an external cabinet) New, unused ETS-2 tilt stand Note: the 60-meter option is not included. This module is available directly from Elecraft if that band is of interest to you Included non-Elecraft options: Nifty operators guide. Covers every aspect of operating the K2. Has condensed operating instructions for all modes and options Samsonite lockable padded canvas Zip-up carry case (holds K2, mic, paddle, user manual, headset (not supplied), a small roll of antenna wire (also not supplied) and still has room for a few widgets of your choice) 4-amp light weight 120 VAC powered automatic battery charger / DC power supply Set of Deluxe Rework eliminators (new, unused and never assembled) Loudspeaker sound redirector (changes sound from K2 cabinet speaker from top to forward firing). Attaches with Velcro, easily installed or removed all necessary cables (everything except the antenna and feedline, that's your choice) New price, for all items listed above, approx US $1800.00 Asking: US $1100.00 (add US $25.00 if using PayPal) Optional items, at extra charge (sold only with above radio) Palm mini-paddle, with cable, gray (matches K2 color): US $65.00 (new price: US $120.00) Kenwood MC-43 hand microphone US $25.00 (new price: US $45.00) Heil Pro-set (headset / microphone combo) US $75.00 (new price: US $110.00) ____________________________________ Also available: Combined KPA100 (100 watt amplifier) and KAT100-2 100-watt automatic antenna coupler in separate EC-2 case, including all interconnecting cables and power cords. Covers 160 - 10 meters, fully automatic bandswitching when connected to base K2 radio As before, professionally assembled and tested by electronics engineer / quality assurance specialist. 100% operational, meets al specifications. Excellent appearance (same as radio, as described above), from a non-smoking environment. Photos available on request Amplifier / Antenna coupler / RF and DC cables: New price approximately US $730.00 (including the RF, DC power, and control cables that were not supplied as part of the original kit) Asking US $400.00 if sold with radio (US $500.00 if sold separately) Add US $15.00 if using PayPal Optional at extra cost: 120-volt super-small DC power supply that provides up to 18 amperes at 13.8 volts DC. This compact power supply can run both the radio and the 100-watt amplifier combination Asking US $75.00 for this unit, sold only with the amplifier. Price _includes_ prepaid shipping via USPS Priority mail or FedEx 2nd day air (my option) to all 50 US states and territories. Shipping to other countries will be in accord with the statement for the base radio, above. Jim, KL7CC Anchorage, AK From jthorpe at liberty.edu Wed Dec 3 09:21:46 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <09E69C18-3462-4397-85AB-CEDDEE5B94C6@me.com> References: <547CE183.8090300@nc.rr.com> <1701464265.2145460.1417482248723.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100158.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> , <09E69C18-3462-4397-85AB-CEDDEE5B94C6@me.com> Message-ID: <793499F5-5FF1-43AE-AF38-7BF1509EEDA5@liberty.edu> Guys, please do not put words in my mouth, and please pay attention to my statements and their context. From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 3 09:44:05 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:44:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490@elecraft.com> References: <0B75C705-55CC-4C01-BA5B-51CDAAF68AD3@gmail.com> <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <63184126-0A58-42AF-9C84-0EF714B2A9EB@verizon.net> Well... there we have it. After Wayne and David's cogent arguments, I'll change my position, and say that the KX3 would be a good choice for a new General. Case closed. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 From payne1j at comcast.net Wed Dec 3 10:20:55 2014 From: payne1j at comcast.net (John Payne) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:20:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] R In-Reply-To: References: <65F32284-78AB-46C8-8E4E-14E0DE84969F@gmail.com> <547E175F.2080608@comcast.net> <547E3E70.8030006@sbcglobal.net> <547E6F2B.6020108@gci.net> Message-ID: <547F2A57.60604@comcast.net> No, no, no!! The modern, HI-Tech way to do it is to build up a circuit to charge at least a 10 F supercap and discharge it through the fuse, thereby clearing the short. The supercap is guaranteed to un-short almost any fuse you are likely to find, and could also be handy for jump starting your car if using 12v to charge it. Just be sure your charging circuit can stand the guff, those things take a heck of a jolt without charge current limiting!!! Tongue firmly in cheek, W4CWZ > > No need for a trip to the store. You can clear a shorted fuse by > connecting a battery across it. Works every time. > > You're welcome. :-) > > 73, Bill W6WRT > From wes at triconet.org Wed Dec 3 15:37:02 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:37:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547F746E.3050903@triconet.org> Are you suggesting that contest/DX ops should adjust their power for each contact? I'm about 50 miles from you, I hope you're not accusing me of being a jerk for running 500 W to a 40' high dipole to work DX; for example, 9K2 on 40-meters at my morning grey line or IT9 an hour before sunset a couple of weeks ago. I suppose on a dead-quiet band with no QRM I could do it with much lower power, but those were not the conditions I had to work with. Wes N7WS Jeffrey wrote: The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Dec 3 15:58:52 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for new general? Message-ID: I submit that Wayne (see his message below) may have understated the case. The KX3 is all that he says, but there?s more - it is as interesting for old hams as it is for new ones, and for Extras as well as for Generals. For this old ham, anyway. I bought my KX3 after, not before, spending a few years with the K3, the KPA500 and the KAT500; and after having had more other-brand transceivers than anyone really needs, from the 2000s all the way back to Viking and Heath. From an operational point of view the capabilities of the KX3 outpace almost everything (other than the K3) I?ve operated with; and it has capabilities I haven?t even begun to explore. As Wayne points out, it?s more versatile in many applications than the K3 is. Yup, it?s a great rig for a newbie; but it?ll stay a great rig long after that. Ted, KN1CBR >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:53:51 -0800 >From: Wayne Burdick >To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com >Cc: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? >Message-ID: <334F431C-21DF-478B-B0C8-EEAF6D614490 at elecraft.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Interesting thread. The dust appears to be settling, so I thought I'd >weigh in. Whether I'm biased or not is left as a study question for the >reader ;) > >We designed the KX3 specifically for new hams. Here are some >considerations: > >- The KX3's size and weight allows it to be used anywhere, and powered >from a small battery or power supply, even its internal battery pack. >This means you don't have to evict anyone from precious desk or table >real-estate as you dabble in your new hobby. At least not right away. You >can move around, maybe use a corner of the garage, or an RV, or a picnic >table. This is why we call it "ultraportable." > >- The KX3 has about half as many controls as the K3 and other >full-featured desktop radios. We kept only the essentials. And you don't >need to use all of the rig's features. You can start with the basics -- >VFO, AF GAIN, MODE, BAND up and down. The default settings of the radio >pretty much just work. Set the power level you want and start tuning >around. > >- The owner's manual is written with new hams in mind, with supplemental >information about antennas, operating modes, and the nature of the >different HF bands. We don't go into a huge amount of detail, but it's >enough to get you started, and you already have a few thousand friends on >the Elecraft and KX3 reflectors if you want to dive into deeper waters. >The manual is organized so that basic operation is covered right up >front. As time permits, you can try each more advanced feature. > >- At 12 W (8 to 10 on the highest few bands), the KX3's power output is >only 9 dB below 100 W. Thanks to the beauty of logarithmic phenomena, >that's only 1.5 to 2.5 S-units depending on whose S-meter standard you're >basing it on. (We use roughly a 5-dB-per-S-unit standard at Elecraft.) >Yes, it can be harder to work stations using SSB mode when you're two >S-units down, but if you avoid pileups and stick with calling stations >that are well above the noise level, you'll have no trouble making SSB >contacts. > >- The KX3's wide-range ATU can greatly simplify the process of erecting >antennas for all bands. Here's the simplest case: One piece of wire about >25 feet long, tossed into a tree, and a similar wire laid on the ground, >can be connected directly to the radio with a BNC-to-binding post adapter >(no coax). The ATU can tune this on 40-6 meters. If the wires are 50 feet >long, you can also cover 60 and 80 meters. That's 80-6 meters with two >wires, no coax, and a support provided free by nature (or your >neighbors). Obviously you can improve on this to better your odds, say by >using an off-center-fed wire of 50 to 100 feet long supported in the >middle by a 20 to 40 foot pole or tree and fed with twinlead or ladder >line. A balun (e.g. Elecraft BL2) would then be used at the rig to >convert this sortof-balanced antenna to the radio, through a short length >of coax (1 to 2 feet). > >- Hams who are transitioning from VHF/UHF to HF might want to add the >2-meter module (3 watts, all modes, including repeater controls, DTMF, >memories, etc.). When you get tired of exploring the vast wilds of the HF >bands, you can return to the familiarity of 2-m FM, etc., and chat with >the locals. > >73, >Wayne >N6KR From jalleninvest at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 16:02:05 2014 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:02:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: <547F746E.3050903@triconet.org> References: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <547F746E.3050903@triconet.org> Message-ID: I think he is talking about the jerks who run max smoke to talk to each other when only a few hundred miles apart. I've heard this behavior on 40M fairly often: Goober asks Billy Joe Bob if he can copy him. BJB says "sure, solid copy! You are only 35 over 9, down from your usual 40 over." G says, "I thought so. Something must be wrong with my antenna, The SWR here this morning is 1.35; usually it is 1.15 and I was worried about blowing up my lineaaar or something. I still copy you fine, though, 40 over like usual." These two have talked nearly every morning for 20 years, could copy each other just fine on 50 watts or less but run full bore, and proud of it! or similar. 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Are you suggesting that contest/DX ops should adjust their power for each > contact? > > I'm about 50 miles from you, I hope you're not accusing me of being a jerk > for running 500 W to a 40' high dipole to work DX; for example, 9K2 on > 40-meters at my morning grey line or IT9 an hour before sunset a couple of > weeks ago. I suppose on a dead-quiet band with no QRM I could do it with > much lower power, but those were not the conditions I had to work with. > > Wes N7WS > > Jeffrey wrote: > > The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only > the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much > less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." > Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually > talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is > really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred > watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in > southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jalleninvest at gmail.com > From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 16:02:31 2014 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! --Ed-- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Dec 3 16:47:21 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:47:21 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? Message-ID: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or General License). It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work quite well when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you have 2m at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or digital modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of operating. First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a Mirage 125w 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The whole lot can go mobile. The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the capabilities to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware improvements and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality and performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already had a K3, the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a week from tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jthorpe at liberty.edu Wed Dec 3 17:32:08 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:32:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices In-Reply-To: References: <1996160768.3956819.1417547466032.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10631.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <547F746E.3050903@triconet.org>, Message-ID: Thank-you Jim, you are correct. Wes, no I am not talking about you. As I wrote off-list earlier to another person: My complaint, specifically stated earlier, was about the the operators who are all within 200 miles of each other (and me and those I am talking to). Actually, we're nearly all within 100 miles. I have no problem with people "blasting" to make a DX, or get through in a contest - that's the nature of the beast. I'm just talking about basic politeness for a casual ragchew. If people did that, there'd be leas bandwidth crowding, and a smaller possibility of encroaching government regulations on us in the future. I certainly don't want to be forced to go 'narrow-band' like happened to commercial. Jeff - kg7hdz From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 3 17:37:00 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475396776.1098540.1417646220826.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ed, First off, lets get some more specific info on how far out of the noise, stationary or moving, time of day etc. Whether you are in a rural area, down town, in other words, the electronic environment you live in. ? I would love to see the screen shot, and an audio file will fill in more gaps.? Sorry you have the problem, but it is the modern times we live in.? Mel, K6KBE From: Ed G To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion Hello, ? ? I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard on my K3 and KX3).? I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! --Ed-- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From gerryleary99 at icloud.com Wed Dec 3 17:48:24 2014 From: gerryleary99 at icloud.com (Gerry leary) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:48:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: <475396776.1098540.1417646220826.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <475396776.1098540.1417646220826.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E838DF7-57AE-4231-A528-556F1525A632@icloud.com> I say, put batteries in the KX three hook up a small piece of wire and walk around with it. Watch the estimator and find the noise peak and what it comes out of. Sent from my iPhone this time > On Dec 3, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > > Ed, > > First off, lets get some more specific info on how far out of the noise, stationary or moving, time of day etc. Whether you are in a rural area, down town, in other words, the electronic environment you live in. I would love to see the screen shot, and an audio file will fill in more gaps. Sorry you have the problem, but it is the modern times we live in. > > Mel, K6KBE > > From: Ed G > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:02 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion > > > Hello, > I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference > to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard > on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small > audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I > need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! > --Ed-- > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerryleary99 at icloud.com From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 17:55:37 2014 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion Message-ID: Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings of all sorts of RFI sources. I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m. If I can find it again I'll send it on. It may have been an ARRL page. 73 Eric WD6DBM Ed G wrote: > >Hello, > I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference >to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard >on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small >audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I >need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >--Ed-- > > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com From gerryleary99 at icloud.com Wed Dec 3 18:03:37 2014 From: gerryleary99 at icloud.com (Gerry leary) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:03:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] another feature requestHello Elecraft, In-Reply-To: <5F0DD555-4E1A-4D8C-B7D8-56568AEE9DD2@elecraft.com> References: <5824D1E5-8CD1-4111-8AD0-479D0FCC148C@icloud.com> <5F0DD555-4E1A-4D8C-B7D8-56568AEE9DD2@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <641FA78F-8172-468C-B07C-AD8A3C7F6FF7@icloud.com> Hello Wayne, it is been a long time since you wrote this message and I apologize for not responding. I just found it today. Anyway I appreciate what you have done with the KX one, and I didn't realize it. Although I was talking about the KX three I'm glad to know that the KX one project is working so well. There are a couple of things that I would like to see in the KX three menusee W readout system if they can happen in the near future. What is to be able to switch the antenna tuner in and out of the circuit. This I would like to see because it would be much easier for me to resonate an antenna without the tuner in the circuit andand then I would like to be able to put the junior back in the circuit to finish the matching process. The other thing that I would like to be able to access is the battery charger function. This way I could charge the batteries without having to add the him pod to the circuit. Thank you very much I don't know how the plans for increasing the menu accessibility will go along with other projects and this is why I had written to ask. Thank youif this message is choppy, I apologize. I am using Siri and it does not always gets my words or expressions correctly. Sent from my iPhone this time > On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Gerry, > > The KX1 provides Morse-code interface tones for all controls and the menu. > > The KX3 provides a Morse interface for all controls, but not the menu (yet). We'll be gradually adding menu functions, though the KX3's menu system is far more extensive and complex than the KX1's, so there's a limit to how much of it we can support. Meanwhile, we just released new KX3 firmware that corrects Morse tones on 2 meters. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > >> On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:02 AM, Gerry leary wrote: >> >> >> I know there are a lot of changes happening right now, but I am wondering if it is in the plans for the near future to finish the CW readout project. I am finding that US blind folks are unable to use some of the new features because we have no access to them. Thanks. gerry WB6IVF > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerryleary99 at me.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 3 18:27:02 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 23:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1043807208.1100598.1417649222424.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10737.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Good input.? I would like that link also. Mel, K6KBE From: Eric Norris To: Ed G Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings of all sorts of RFI sources.? I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m.? If I can find it again I'll send it on.? It may have been an ARRL page. 73 Eric WD6DBM Ed G wrote: > >Hello, >? ? I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference >to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard >on my K3 and KX3).? I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small >audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I >need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >--Ed-- > > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From ormandj at corenode.com Wed Dec 3 18:42:41 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:42:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're thinking of this: http://www.arrl.org/sounds-of-rfi Very useful site, I agree with you! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings of > all sorts of RFI sources. I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest > repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m. If I can find it again I'll send it > on. It may have been an ARRL page. > > 73 > > Eric WD6DBM > > Ed G wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF > interference > >to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard > >on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small > >audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I > >need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! > >--Ed-- > > > > > > > >--- > >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > >http://www.avast.com > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 18:43:26 2014 From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: <1043807208.1100598.1417649222424.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10737.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1043807208.1100598.1417649222424.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10737.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547FA01E.2010005@gmail.com> The ARRL has identified and unidentified noise files at www.arrl.org/sounds-of-rfi. The old VE3HLS website doesn't seem to be around anymore. 73 On 12/3/2014 6:27 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Good input. I would like that link also. > Mel, K6KBE > > From: Eric Norris > To: Ed G > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion > > Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings of all sorts of RFI sources. I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m. If I can find it again I'll send it on. It may have been an ARRL page. > > 73 > > Eric WD6DBM > > Ed G wrote: > >> Hello, >> I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference >> to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard >> on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small >> audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I >> need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >> --Ed-- >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w4fmd.steve at gmail.com From pincon at erols.com Wed Dec 3 19:29:32 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:29:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion References: <1043807208.1100598.1417649222424.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10737.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <547FA01E.2010005@gmail.com> Message-ID: There's also a website where you can hear what all the new and old digital signals sound like. Sorry, I forgot what it was, but it should be easy enough to find. I'm still wondering what those "weebles" signal are on 10 & 12 meters. Now that I have a waterfall display, they're easy to spot. They typically start high in frequency and end abruptly, some moving very fast and some slowly. Probably just a Barsoomian invasion fleet. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glickstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion > The ARRL has identified and unidentified noise files at > www.arrl.org/sounds-of-rfi. The old VE3HLS website doesn't seem to be > around anymore. > > 73 > > On 12/3/2014 6:27 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: >> Good input. I would like that link also. >> Mel, K6KBE >> >> From: Eric Norris >> To: Ed G >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion >> Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings >> of all sorts of RFI sources. I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest >> repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m. If I can find it again I'll send it >> on. It may have been an ARRL page. >> >> 73 >> >> Eric WD6DBM >> >> Ed G wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF >>> interference >>> to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is >>> heard >>> on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a >>> small >>> audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck >>> I >>> need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >>> --Ed-- >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >>> protection is active. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w4fmd.steve at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Dec 3 19:33:32 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:33:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <1043807208.1100598.1417649222424.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10737.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <547FA01E.2010005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <83A1753B-AAD3-41C6-BA9D-23484DA4DF8A@wunderwood.org> That page is on the same site as the fldigi docs, ?The Sights and Sounds of Digital Signals?. That sounds like a paper I might have written during an all-nighter in college... http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.21/Modes/index.htm wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > There's also a website where you can hear what all the new and old digital signals sound like. Sorry, I forgot what it was, but it should be easy enough to find. > > I'm still wondering what those "weebles" signal are on 10 & 12 meters. Now that I have a waterfall display, they're easy to spot. > > They typically start high in frequency and end abruptly, some moving very fast and some slowly. > > Probably just a Barsoomian invasion fleet. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glickstein" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion > > >> The ARRL has identified and unidentified noise files at www.arrl.org/sounds-of-rfi. The old VE3HLS website doesn't seem to be around anymore. >> >> 73 >> >> On 12/3/2014 6:27 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: >>> Good input. I would like that link also. >>> Mel, K6KBE >>> >>> From: Eric Norris >>> To: Ed G >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion >>> Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings of all sorts of RFI sources. I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m. If I can find it again I'll send it on. It may have been an ARRL page. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Eric WD6DBM >>> >>> Ed G wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference >>>> to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard >>>> on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small >>>> audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I >>>> need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >>>> --Ed-- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>>> http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w4fmd.steve at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Dec 3 19:38:46 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:38:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: <83A1753B-AAD3-41C6-BA9D-23484DA4DF8A@wunderwood.org> References: <1043807208.1100598.1417649222424.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10737.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <547FA01E.2010005@gmail.com> <83A1753B-AAD3-41C6-BA9D-23484DA4DF8A@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: For the ?weebles?, check the excellent work done by the Region 1 IARU Monitoring System. In the newsletter, they publish waterfall pictures of the unidentified or digital QRM. Main page: http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php/iarums-news October newsletter: http://www.iarums-r1.org/iarums/news2014/news1410.pdf wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > That page is on the same site as the fldigi docs, ?The Sights and Sounds of Digital Signals?. That sounds like a paper I might have written during an all-nighter in college... > > http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.21/Modes/index.htm > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Dec 3, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > >> There's also a website where you can hear what all the new and old digital signals sound like. Sorry, I forgot what it was, but it should be easy enough to find. >> >> I'm still wondering what those "weebles" signal are on 10 & 12 meters. Now that I have a waterfall display, they're easy to spot. >> >> They typically start high in frequency and end abruptly, some moving very fast and some slowly. >> >> Probably just a Barsoomian invasion fleet. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glickstein" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion >> >> >>> The ARRL has identified and unidentified noise files at www.arrl.org/sounds-of-rfi. The old VE3HLS website doesn't seem to be around anymore. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> On 12/3/2014 6:27 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Good input. I would like that link also. >>>> Mel, K6KBE >>>> >>>> From: Eric Norris >>>> To: Ed G >>>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:55 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion >>>> Somebody on this list once sent a link to a page that has recordings of all sorts of RFI sources. I used it to track down an ultrasonic "pest repeller" that drives me nuts on 6m. If I can find it again I'll send it on. It may have been an ARRL page. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Eric WD6DBM >>>> >>>> Ed G wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference >>>>> to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard >>>>> on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small >>>>> audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I >>>>> need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >>>>> --Ed-- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>>>> http://www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w4fmd.steve at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Dec 3 19:36:14 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:36:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 firmware: more effective speech compression, and improved 2-m/4-m CW & SSB In-Reply-To: <0C5903D8-1882-4838-A81D-A73119EE674B@elecraft.com> References: <0C5903D8-1882-4838-A81D-A73119EE674B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I'm looking for volunteers to field-test the latest KX3 firmware (rev. 2.30). It has more effective speech processing, and also improves both CW timing and SSB power output of the 2-meter/4-meter option module. See full release notes below. If you have time to test this firmware tonight or tomorrow, please email me directly and I'll send you a copy. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * MCU 2.30 / DSP 1.32, 12-3-2014 * SPEECH COMPRESSION IMPROVED: Corrected internal DSP stage gain, resulting in higher output levels with compression turned on. * 2-M/4-M SSB POWER OUTPUT IMPROVED: Max power output improved with and without speech compression turned on. Note: The KX3 will automatically reduce 2-m/4-m power output if safe levels of SWR, current, or temperature are exceeded. (You?ll see HI SWR, HI CUR, or HI TEMP flashed on the VFO B display.) This is more likely to happen when heavy speech compression is used, or when using a whip connected directly to the radio. We recommend reducing power to 2 - 2.5 W as required in this case to avoid the automatic power rollbacks or RFI problems. * 2-M/4-M CW TIMING IMPROVED: Dot length is now more consistent. * 4-M/6-M DIRECT FREQ ENTRY FIXED: Direct frequency entry to 6 or 4 meters now works correctly with a KX3-4M module installed. From docwatt at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 20:17:08 2014 From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:17:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW Message-ID: I have Morse Ring Tones on My Android phone. It will broadcast the name of the person calling if in your directory or the number calling in morse. Also SMS to Morse will announce the text message, broadcast the whole message in Morse or the "from" in Morse. '73 Tom KI6NRD From dpbunte at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 20:36:15 2014 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:36:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW Message-ID: Tom - Would you share the source of the app that provides the Morse on your phone? Thanks, Dave - K9FN From rjinspace at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 21:36:46 2014 From: rjinspace at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:36:46 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 10m band / 28 MHz (low-side injection / VFO added to Premix) Message-ID: I am going to make a quick 10m module for the upcoming contest. In https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/msg17837.html there are two frequency schemes for a 10m band for K1. They require crystals for appr. 33MHz or 26MHz. I have a "junk box parts" home brew K1 receiver with IF 5MHz (on an original K1 RF PCB that I got hold of). I only have 20MHz crystals at hand for the 10m filter module, and must have it working in a week's time. By using low-side injection and VFO added to premix, I get 28Mhz RF - 5MHz IF = 23 MHz LO (low-side injection). By using the added product of VFO ca. 3MHZ and XO 20 MHz, I get the needed 23 MHZ low-side injection for the receiver mixer. Apart from having to make a 23 MHz BPF for the premix (that might be marginally less stable in frequency than one will achieve by using 26MHz and VFO subtraction), is there any other significant issues with this method (in addition - of course - to LP and BP rf filters for 28 MHz). Thanks. Roy RF Tinkerer From jawod at fuse.net Wed Dec 3 22:08:51 2014 From: jawod at fuse.net (John Wiener) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K2 problem ?ATU Message-ID: <97513388-0640-47DF-9C4D-22F5DBDD1839@fuse.net> Hi This just started tonight.The ATU is acting squirreled I think it is the KAT100 no change in setup?K2/100 to KAT100 to G5RV FLdigi and Mac OS (not yet upgraded to Yosemite) Signalink USB no changes in connections so?I use the ATU on 80M it goes to 1:1 after several relay clicks as usual Then I xmit?.Hi Current?red 5:1 SWR and variable I turn off xmit on fldigi?now rcvr is low output?I hit the TUNE button and it re tunes the atu back to 1:1 and normal rcvr volume I?ll check on my antenna tomorrow when it is light but Does this sound like the ATU is going bad? serial number is 5312 Thanks John AB8O From TimEdmonson at spfs.net Wed Dec 3 22:38:26 2014 From: TimEdmonson at spfs.net (Tim Edmonson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 03:38:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie Message-ID: <7BCABAA3-B181-4034-8C59-12BF811AC9FD@spfs.net> Thanks for letting me join. After almost 30 years of being a ham I finally made the jump and bought a loaded up K2... So far all I can say is Great!!! 73 Ka4wws Tim Edmonson From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 3 22:55:51 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:55:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> Mine is called MorseRing in the Google Play store on my Samsung Android. Free. It will send the name if the caller is in my phone book, otherwise it sends the number. SMS2CW will do nearly the same for text messages except it doesn't interface with my phone book, just always sends the number. Also free Beware ... if you tend to get a lot of calls/texts, and happen to be in the grocery checkout line or the line at the Post Office, you'll get some strong stares. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/3/2014 5:36 PM, David Bunte wrote: > Tom - > > Would you share the source of the app that provides the Morse on your phone? From byron at n6nul.org Thu Dec 4 00:15:31 2014 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron N6NUL) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 21:15:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New K2 problem ?ATU In-Reply-To: <97513388-0640-47DF-9C4D-22F5DBDD1839@fuse.net> References: <97513388-0640-47DF-9C4D-22F5DBDD1839@fuse.net> Message-ID: <1B44AC4B-0283-464C-95C6-AE9712356A28@n6nul.org> I would suspect water in the feed line or a bad connector first. You'll know more when you can inspect the antenna. You could try overriding the tuning power (in the manual) and see if it can even tune at full power instead of the normal 20 watts. I suspect it would have an issue that the lower power doesn't reveal. 73, Byron N6NUL K2 7077 K1 2799 > On Dec 3, 2014, at 19:08, John Wiener wrote: > > Hi > This just started tonight.The ATU is acting squirreled > I think it is the KAT100 > no change in setup?K2/100 to KAT100 to G5RV > FLdigi and Mac OS (not yet upgraded to Yosemite) > Signalink USB > > no changes in connections > > so?I use the ATU on 80M it goes to 1:1 after several relay clicks as usual > Then I xmit?.Hi Current?red 5:1 SWR and variable > I turn off xmit on fldigi?now rcvr is low output?I hit the TUNE button and it re tunes the atu back to 1:1 and normal rcvr volume > > I?ll check on my antenna tomorrow when it is light but > > Does this sound like the ATU is going bad? > > serial number is 5312 From wa5rtg at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 04:58:34 2014 From: wa5rtg at gmail.com (Stan Stockton) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 03:58:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub RX Audio/SO2V/N!MM Message-ID: <1333CA09-A5F5-4390-A6B2-5038466E4896@gmail.com> I just tried N1MM in SO2V mode using a K3 with Sub Receiver. Everything works fine. Now introduce RemoteRig. Connected to the remote K3 a thousand miles away, when I press Control + Right Arrow Button to listen and move focus to VFO B/Sub Receiver there is no audio from the sub receiver unless you move the sub receiver audio gain knob. All you have to do is slightly move it and it comes alive. Wondering whether anyone has had this situation or knows what to try in order to fix it? Thanks...Stan, K5GO From jack.f6ajw at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 05:15:50 2014 From: jack.f6ajw at gmail.com (Jack F6AJW) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:15:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion In-Reply-To: <4E838DF7-57AE-4231-A528-556F1525A632@icloud.com> References: <475396776.1098540.1417646220826.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E838DF7-57AE-4231-A528-556F1525A632@icloud.com> Message-ID: <54803456.8010002@gmail.com> I am afraid that this way you will get a lot of birdies originated from KX3 itself. This is especially the case on 2m using an attached SMA whip. Any other experience or info on the way tu cure this!? 73's. Jacques F6AJW Le 03/12/2014 23:48, Gerry leary a ?crit : > I say, put batteries in the KX three hook up a small piece of wire and walk around with it. Watch the estimator and find the noise peak and what it comes out of. > > Sent from my iPhone this time > >> On Dec 3, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: >> >> Ed, >> >> First off, lets get some more specific info on how far out of the noise, stationary or moving, time of day etc. Whether you are in a rural area, down town, in other words, the electronic environment you live in. I would love to see the screen shot, and an audio file will fill in more gaps. Sorry you have the problem, but it is the modern times we live in. >> >> Mel, K6KBE >> >> From: Ed G >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:02 PM >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Request for EMI/RF Interference Opinion >> >> >> Hello, >> I'm looking for someone with some background in EMI or RF interference >> to look at some very odd noise I am experiencing on 15 meters (it is heard >> on my K3 and KX3). I can send a spectrum analyzer screen shot and a small >> audio file to help. After trying all the usual things and having no luck I >> need to get some opinions from someone with more experience; thanks! >> --Ed-- >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gerryleary99 at icloud.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jack.f6ajw at gmail.com From jthorpe at liberty.edu Thu Dec 4 08:06:18 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:06:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Left-handed paddles In-Reply-To: References: , <4170676B-58E4-4AE2-837E-15BE677A4FED@gmail.com> <19FCB9A6-279C-40F4-801A-4F66A4F1962A@liberty.edu><547DFB88.5080401@foothill.net> <547E02E1.1090301@socal.rr.com>, Message-ID: Thanks for answers guys. Looks like it's nothing to worry about. Jeff - kg7hdz From aldermant at windstream.net Thu Dec 4 08:22:35 2014 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:22:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK Message-ID: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> Hi Vic, With interest, I read your emails about the K3 QSK and the noise it produced and I have a question for you. I've had my K3 for about three years and I purchased it with a full complement of CW filters for both receivers, including the 8-pole 250 hz filter. I normally run my radios in full QSK, but of course, depending on sending speed, running the K3 in full QSK means you lose too many other good features. I never really noticed the noise generated while in full QSK until recently, and it is quite bad! About a year ago I changed my 8-pole 250 hz filter to the 5 pole 250 hz filter and actually I think that is when I started noticing how bad the pumping and generated noise from my K3 sounded. Of course I run AGC-Fast, with no preamp (unless on 10m and then only seldom have the preamp turned on). My question to you is do you have the 250 hz filter installed in the main Rx and if so, is it the 8-pole or the 5-pole? I think right after Christmas I am going to re-install my 8-pole filter just to see if that has any bearing on the awful QSK noise. Also, have you had any response from Elecraft on this issue? Thanks for any comment Vic and 73, Tom - W4BQF From ik8ozz at fastwebnet.it Thu Dec 4 08:32:51 2014 From: ik8ozz at fastwebnet.it (ik8ozz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:32:51 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW Message-ID: <953206B2202E47E4826A40F39F145B53@AntonellaHP> Hi,from Luigi,ik8ozz. Take a look to : Morse Code Reader foe Android. 73 Message: 22 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:55:51 -0800 From: Fred Jensen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Android App for CW Message-ID: <547FDB47.4070709 at foothill.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mine is called MorseRing in the Google Play store on my Samsung Android. Free. It will send the name if the caller is in my phone book, otherwise it sends the number. SMS2CW will do nearly the same for text messages except it doesn't interface with my phone book, just always sends the number. Also free Beware ... if you tend to get a lot of calls/texts, and happen to be in the grocery checkout line or the line at the Post Office, you'll get some strong stares. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/3/2014 5:36 PM, David Bunte wrote: > Tom - > > Would you share the source of the app that provides the Morse on your phone? --- Questa e-mail ? stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. http://www.avast.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 09:05:15 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:05:15 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: Tommy, I have 8 pole filters for 400, 1000 and 2800 Hz. I am almost always using the 400 on CW. I use QRQ mode whenever possible. I found various sources of clicks including bias switching in my amplifier, and a switched power source for my Pixel Loop. I removed everything to isolate the problem. All tests were done in TX TEST mode, no RF generated. The most bothersome K3 generated noise is a click when returning to receive state. You hear it in full or semi- QSK mode when returning to receive. The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's no click. The worst case is a big pileup. There is also a noise that is hard to describe, sort of a fuzziness around the sidetone. That also depends on the amount of signal and noise in the background. Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but makes the output lower than desirable. I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard anything recently. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Dec 4, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: > > Hi Vic, > > With interest, I read your emails about the K3 QSK and the noise it produced and I have a question for you. I?ve had my K3 for about three years and I purchased it with a full complement of CW filters for both receivers, including the 8-pole 250 hz filter. I normally run my radios in full QSK, but of course, depending on sending speed, running the K3 in full QSK means you lose too many other good features. > > > I never really noticed the noise generated while in full QSK until recently, and it is quite bad! About a year ago I changed my 8-pole 250 hz filter to the 5 pole 250 hz filter and actually I think that is when I started noticing how bad the pumping and generated noise from my K3 sounded. Of course I run AGC-Fast, with no preamp (unless on 10m and then only seldom have the preamp turned on). > > > My question to you is do you have the 250 hz filter installed in the main Rx and if so, is it the 8-pole or the 5-pole? I think right after Christmas I am going to re-install my 8-pole filter just to see if that has any bearing on the awful QSK noise. > > Also, have you had any response from Elecraft on this issue? > > > Thanks for any comment Vic and 73, > > Tom ? W4BQF > From jawod at fuse.net Thu Dec 4 09:37:05 2014 From: jawod at fuse.net (John Wiener) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:37:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] addendum to K2 problem Message-ID: Hi again Well this morning I checked all the coax connections all snug soldered connections to g5rv window line intact Re checked the K2/100 and KAT100 Here?s the results no lights on SWR below 20M again variable output and SWR SO?it turns out I have a faulty cable from the shack to the outside box. I switched to a diff line and all is well for now Thanks for all the support over the years Sorry for the false alarm. 73 John AB8O From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 4 10:00:17 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:00:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <54807701.8070508@subich.com> > The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals > in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's > no click. The worst case is a big pileup. It would appear that the K3 is momentarily running at full gain when returning from transmit, the "click" being full gain until the AGC can react to signal levels 'in the channel'. That supposition can only be confirmed by Lyle or Wayne but you might be able to moderate the click by turning off AGC and riding the RF gain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-04 9:05 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Tommy, > > I have 8 pole filters for 400, 1000 and 2800 Hz. I am almost always using the 400 on CW. I use QRQ mode whenever possible. I found various sources of clicks including bias switching in my amplifier, and a switched power source for my Pixel Loop. I removed everything to isolate the problem. All tests were done in TX TEST mode, no RF generated. > > The most bothersome K3 generated noise is a click when returning to receive state. You hear it in full or semi- QSK mode when returning to receive. The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's no click. The worst case is a big pileup. There is also a noise that is hard to describe, sort of a fuzziness around the sidetone. That also depends on the amount of signal and noise in the background. > > Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but makes the output lower than desirable. > > I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard anything recently. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On Dec 4, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: >> >> Hi Vic, >> >> With interest, I read your emails about the K3 QSK and the noise it produced and I have a question for you. I?ve had my K3 for about three years and I purchased it with a full complement of CW filters for both receivers, including the 8-pole 250 hz filter. I normally run my radios in full QSK, but of course, depending on sending speed, running the K3 in full QSK means you lose too many other good features. >> >> >> I never really noticed the noise generated while in full QSK until recently, and it is quite bad! About a year ago I changed my 8-pole 250 hz filter to the 5 pole 250 hz filter and actually I think that is when I started noticing how bad the pumping and generated noise from my K3 sounded. Of course I run AGC-Fast, with no preamp (unless on 10m and then only seldom have the preamp turned on). >> >> >> My question to you is do you have the 250 hz filter installed in the main Rx and if so, is it the 8-pole or the 5-pole? I think right after Christmas I am going to re-install my 8-pole filter just to see if that has any bearing on the awful QSK noise. >> >> Also, have you had any response from Elecraft on this issue? >> >> >> Thanks for any comment Vic and 73, >> >> Tom ? W4BQF >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kk5ib01 at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 10:38:52 2014 From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:38:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <54807701.8070508@subich.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> Message-ID: <1417707532028-7595444.post@n2.nabble.com> Experiencing the same thing with K3 #7167. Didn't know I had a problem as I usually run my speaker out through an MFJ-784B digital filter because older radios needed help, and the external filter cleans the artifacts nicely. My K2 sounds better than my K3. I sold an Yaesu FT-2000 partly because they never fixed their QSK artifacts. Is there any settings that help minimize this problem? Darryl, KK5IB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-QSK-tp7595439p7595444.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Dec 4 10:42:01 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 07:42:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <75708327-E667-4C2F-B69A-62436697B8B4@elecraft.com> Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but makes the output lower than desirable. > > I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard anything recently. We have some new ideas :) I'm sure this can be significantly improved in firmware. Wayne N6KR From k2mk at comcast.net Thu Dec 4 10:50:16 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 08:50:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <75708327-E667-4C2F-B69A-62436697B8B4@elecraft.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <75708327-E667-4C2F-B69A-62436697B8B4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1417708216646-7595446.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne, That would be great. I'm new to QSK and the various noises are distracting. This past weekend in the CQ WW what I sometimes heard on 10 and 15 meters was my own signal delayed. I assume that was a globe circling echo. I don't suppose there would be a firmware solution for that situation. 73, Mike K2MK wayne burdick wrote > Vic Rosenthal < > k2vco.vic@ > > wrote: > >> Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but >> makes the output lower than desirable. >> >> I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to >> ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard >> anything recently. > > > We have some new ideas :) I'm sure this can be significantly improved in > firmware. > > Wayne > N6KR -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-QSK-tp7595439p7595446.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Thu Dec 4 11:07:41 2014 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:07:41 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW In-Reply-To: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> References: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> Message-ID: <548086CD.70900@xs4all.nl> >> Free. It will send the name if the caller is in my phone book, >> otherwise it sends the number. Yes, but on my Samsung GT-I9100 'phone it's very distorted, except the first character, I cannot control the volume and set this as default ringtone... And it's not free it cost me 69 eurocents to get it. Still I like the feature and hope there will be solutions for this problem. I uploaded a log file to the developer. 73, Peter Op 2014-12-04 04:55 schreef Fred Jensen: > Mine is called MorseRing in the Google Play store on my Samsung Android. > Free. It will send the name if the caller is in my phone book, From jalleninvest at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 11:15:20 2014 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:15:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <1417708216646-7595446.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <75708327-E667-4C2F-B69A-62436697B8B4@elecraft.com> <1417708216646-7595446.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Did you QSL yourself? If you do that from 100 or more different countries you can qualify for the WAY (Worked All Yourself) certificate. Certain factions are laying the groundwork for that award in anticipation of the inexorable rise in remote operations looming. It is inspired by a certain prominent W6 working a prominent W2 from each other's home station from their iPhones while sitting across from each other and a pitcher of beer, at Dayton. This plays havoc with our traditional rules, etc. so a new approach is necessary. Work Yourself from 100 different locations! It will be the new DXCC except you don't have to battle pile ups, no "green stamps" and no risk of Not In Log! I understand some HQ types, a group of malcontents and old fuddy-duddies, are wearing buttons opposing the move: "NoWAY!" You heard it here first! 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > > This past weekend in the CQ WW what I sometimes heard on 10 and 15 meters > was my own signal delayed. I assume that was a globe circling echo. > > From n5lz at comcast.net Thu Dec 4 11:27:06 2014 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. In my opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I doubt that I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable operation .. That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far the best portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and I use them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the time. But let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget limits, and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a loaded KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 plus tax and shipping, and that's without a power supply. We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any station, and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always outperform a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some will disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment and success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. He'll be able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not happen when he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know the saying .. "life is too short ...") There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . some for as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from there. Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a beginner simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 TS-520S (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once in awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 watt signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a beginner buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a good station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, K3 or another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the line, but by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really wants, and the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or General License). It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work quite well when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you have 2m at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or digital modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of operating. First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a Mirage 125w 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The whole lot can go mobile. The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the capabilities to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware improvements and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality and performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already had a K3, the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a week from tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From zumbruns at comcast.net Thu Dec 4 11:52:51 2014 From: zumbruns at comcast.net (zumbruns at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 UPDATE In-Reply-To: <1523296027.342876.1417711638641.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <508413201.350280.1417711971032.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Good morning group.? Well time for my request again to Elecraft.? Could we please see some firmware update to the P3. Now that the KX3 project is up and running perhaps we could finish the P3 project.? I personally would like to see the noise blanker applied to the SVGA?and some scrolling capability to the CW and Digital format.? It would also be nice to finish the sensor so we could monitor our station output.? Any chance we could see some updates to the P3 before Christmas?? Merry Christmas to all and 73!? K3 SN176. From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Thu Dec 4 11:57:35 2014 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net (DGB) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:57:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <75708327-E667-4C2F-B69A-62436697B8B4@elecraft.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <75708327-E667-4C2F-B69A-62436697B8B4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5480927F.7040403@Bayland.net> That is great to hear Wayne! Keep up the good work and thanks for such a great product/support! de ns9i On 12/4/2014 9:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Vic Rosenthal wrote: > >> Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but makes the output lower than desirable. >> >> I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard anything recently. > > We have some new ideas :) I'm sure this can be significantly improved in firmware. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 12:00:25 2014 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:00:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW In-Reply-To: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> References: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> Message-ID: You also will want to edit some contact names to something shorter. There are options to use Morse only on selected contacts which is a lot more convenient for me. I don't worry about stares in the checkout. I just say, "Sorry, I'm on call," and move to the head of the line. Eric KE2US On 12/3/2014 7:55 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Mine is called MorseRing in the Google Play store on my Samsung > Android. Free. It will send the name if the caller is in my phone > book, otherwise it sends the number. > > SMS2CW will do nearly the same for text messages except it doesn't > interface with my phone book, just always sends the number. Also free > > Beware ... if you tend to get a lot of calls/texts, and happen to be > in the grocery checkout line or the line at the Post Office, you'll > get some strong stares. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/3/2014 5:36 PM, David Bunte wrote: >> Tom - >> >> Would you share the source of the app that provides the Morse on your >> phone? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From hsherriff at reagan.com Thu Dec 4 12:36:10 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 UPDATE Message-ID: I second that emotion (sic). 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Good morning group. Well time for my request again to Elecraft. Could we please see some firmware update to the P3. Now that the KX3 project is up and running perhaps we could finish the P3 project. I personally would like to see the noise blanker applied to the SVGA and some scrolling capability to the CW and Digital format. It would also be nice to finish the sensor so we could monitor our station output. Any chance we could see some updates to the P3 before Christmas? Merry Christmas to all and 73! K3 SN176. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From recordupe at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 12:41:42 2014 From: recordupe at verizon.net (Dave Barr) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:41:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> I have heard that the configuration of AFSK TX - FIL ON/FIL OFF affects afsk transmitted by feeding computer sound card generated afsk audio tones. The entry in the manual seems to indicate the filter is only active on afsk generated by the K3 internal afsk capability. Which is correct? (I think I already know.) Dave, K2YG From aldermant at windstream.net Thu Dec 4 13:09:44 2014 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <54807701.8070508@subich.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> Message-ID: <003201d00fed$7b88c0d0$729a4270$@windstream.net> Joe, I think you are exactly correct! It does happen with 'key up' or between words and it seems to last for only a few seconds at the most. But it is very objectionable to listen to for many hours during contest. Thanks for your observation and input! 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:00 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK > The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals > in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's > no click. The worst case is a big pileup. It would appear that the K3 is momentarily running at full gain when returning from transmit, the "click" being full gain until the AGC can react to signal levels 'in the channel'. That supposition can only be confirmed by Lyle or Wayne but you might be able to moderate the click by turning off AGC and riding the RF gain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-04 9:05 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Tommy, > > I have 8 pole filters for 400, 1000 and 2800 Hz. I am almost always using the 400 on CW. I use QRQ mode whenever possible. I found various sources of clicks including bias switching in my amplifier, and a switched power source for my Pixel Loop. I removed everything to isolate the problem. All tests were done in TX TEST mode, no RF generated. > > The most bothersome K3 generated noise is a click when returning to receive state. You hear it in full or semi- QSK mode when returning to receive. The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's no click. The worst case is a big pileup. There is also a noise that is hard to describe, sort of a fuzziness around the sidetone. That also depends on the amount of signal and noise in the background. > > Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but makes the output lower than desirable. > > I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard anything recently. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On Dec 4, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: >> >> Hi Vic, >> >> With interest, I read your emails about the K3 QSK and the noise it produced and I have a question for you. I?ve had my K3 for about three years and I purchased it with a full complement of CW filters for both receivers, including the 8-pole 250 hz filter. I normally run my radios in full QSK, but of course, depending on sending speed, running the K3 in full QSK means you lose too many other good features. >> >> >> I never really noticed the noise generated while in full QSK until recently, and it is quite bad! About a year ago I changed my 8-pole 250 hz filter to the 5 pole 250 hz filter and actually I think that is when I started noticing how bad the pumping and generated noise from my K3 sounded. Of course I run AGC-Fast, with no preamp (unless on 10m and then only seldom have the preamp turned on). >> >> >> My question to you is do you have the 250 hz filter installed in the main Rx and if so, is it the 8-pole or the 5-pole? I think right after Christmas I am going to re-install my 8-pole filter just to see if that has any bearing on the awful QSK noise. >> >> Also, have you had any response from Elecraft on this issue? >> >> >> Thanks for any comment Vic and 73, >> >> Tom ? W4BQF >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 13:16:45 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:16:45 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <54807701.8070508@subich.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> Message-ID: <5480A50D.3040408@gmail.com> No, AGC on/off has no effect. On 4 Dec 2014 17:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals >> in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's >> no click. The worst case is a big pileup. > > It would appear that the K3 is momentarily running at full gain when > returning from transmit, the "click" being full gain until the AGC can > react to signal levels 'in the channel'. That supposition can only be > confirmed by Lyle or Wayne but you might be able to moderate the click > by turning off AGC and riding the RF gain. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2014-12-04 9:05 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> Tommy, >> >> I have 8 pole filters for 400, 1000 and 2800 Hz. I am almost always >> using the 400 on CW. I use QRQ mode whenever possible. I found various >> sources of clicks including bias switching in my amplifier, and a >> switched power source for my Pixel Loop. I removed everything to >> isolate the problem. All tests were done in TX TEST mode, no RF >> generated. >> >> The most bothersome K3 generated noise is a click when returning to >> receive state. You hear it in full or semi- QSK mode when returning to >> receive. The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or >> signals in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, >> there's no click. The worst case is a big pileup. There is also a >> noise that is hard to describe, sort of a fuzziness around the >> sidetone. That also depends on the amount of signal and noise in the >> background. >> >> Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, >> but makes the output lower than desirable. >> >> I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to >> ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard >> anything recently. >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> >>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Chester Alderman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Vic, >>> >>> With interest, I read your emails about the K3 QSK and the noise it >>> produced and I have a question for you. I?ve had my K3 for about >>> three years and I purchased it with a full complement of CW filters >>> for both receivers, including the 8-pole 250 hz filter. I normally >>> run my radios in full QSK, but of course, depending on sending speed, >>> running the K3 in full QSK means you lose too many other good features. >>> >>> >>> I never really noticed the noise generated while in full QSK until >>> recently, and it is quite bad! About a year ago I changed my 8-pole >>> 250 hz filter to the 5 pole 250 hz filter and actually I think that >>> is when I started noticing how bad the pumping and generated noise >>> from my K3 sounded. Of course I run AGC-Fast, with no preamp (unless >>> on 10m and then only seldom have the preamp turned on). >>> >>> >>> My question to you is do you have the 250 hz filter installed in the >>> main Rx and if so, is it the 8-pole or the 5-pole? I think right >>> after Christmas I am going to re-install my 8-pole filter just to see >>> if that has any bearing on the awful QSK noise. >>> >>> Also, have you had any response from Elecraft on this issue? >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any comment Vic and 73, >>> >>> Tom ? W4BQF -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Dec 4 13:18:03 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:18:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> Message-ID: I must admit, my experience was quite different. I started as a tech doing mostly 2M repeater contacts. When I upgraded my license, I had an Icom 706M2G which I used with full size dipoles. I discovered PSK31 at field day and started using the Icom at QRP levels making many contacts on 20, 40, and 80M. My log does show a very few excursions to 30-50 watts when QRP didn't get through. I also built a Small Wonders Labs PSK-20 kit and made many QRP PSK 20M contacts with it. In a moment of weakness, my YL let me buy a K3/10 and my first SSB contact in my log was the Elecraft net. After using the K3/10 with compromise antennas during the California QSO party, the YL said, "Yes, you need more power." So I got the 100w amp, which is how it stands today. I still use QRP levels for digital (except RTTY which is a high power mode). I would say, what a new to HF ham needs is: Clean audio to help hear and be heard with digital modes and SSB Flexible bandwidth control to limit noise and QRM A good UI to avoid always needing to go to the manual Good antennas. Wire dipoles up high are fine. If you can't have a good antenna, 100w is an OK substitute, but, "If you can't hear um, you can't work um." IMHO, clean audio is worth several S units in getting your signal through and understanding the other end. The Icom is rather poor in this area, while the K3 and KX3 are excellent. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/4/14 at 8:27 AM, n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) wrote: >There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . some for >as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from there. >Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a beginner >simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 TS-520S >(with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once in >awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 watt >signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | QRP: So you can talk about | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | the ones that got away. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 4 13:20:39 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:20:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> References: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> > The entry in the manual seems to indicate the filter is only > active on afsk generated by the K3 internal afsk capability. The K3 does not generate AFSK internally. AFSK is only transmitted in response to external audio. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-04 12:41 PM, Dave Barr wrote: > > I have heard that the configuration of AFSK TX - FIL ON/FIL OFF affects > afsk transmitted by feeding computer sound card generated afsk audio > tones. The entry in the manual seems to indicate the filter is only > active on afsk generated by the K3 internal afsk capability. Which is > correct? (I think I already know.) > > Dave, K2YG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 14:02:04 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:02:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <54807701.8070508@subich.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> Message-ID: One of the pieces of advice for operating the K3, is to use the minimum amount of gain in the RF/IF string. This is done by setting ATT/PRE/RF gain so that there is only a moderate amount of band noise with no signal, then setting audio for a comfortable level on signals with AGC engagement. This keeps from having the radio "roar" in your ears all the time, particularly with fast AGC. If ATT/PRE/RF gain are always running wide open, the QSK noise is predominately from starting RX state with this unnecessary gain level. For example listening on my 160 transmit antenna I always run with ATT in line, and RF gain backed off just a little. Also, with the deliberate short transition times for CW QRQ, one must understand that one is modulating the "channel" content with a square wave. >From the physics, some degree of click MUST be generated if the "channel" has loud content because the RF/IF string is operating wide open with signal content and modulated with a on-off transition deliberately set by the operator. If a delay is introduced to whack off the click, you have just defeated the desired extremely short transition of CW QRQ. Which one do you want, modulation of channel content with extremely short transition which allows you to hear anything between fast bauds, or a "rounded off" transition that doesn't hear stuff at the transition edge, but doesn't have any "sharp" sounds. Me, I do NOT want the "rounded off" transitions, because I want to hear as much as possible in the interbaud time, and don't care if it makes the stuff sound "harsh". I find the harshness greatly minimized by not running ATT/PRE/RF gain wide open all the time, and using fast AGC with CONFIG: AGC - F = 200. One firmware thing that could help to some degree (if it isn't already done this way) is to start the AGC in the new interbaud space with a value held over from the prior interbaud space. I definitely don't have the CW QRQ problems that others seem to be describing. 73, Guy. On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or signals >> in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, there's >> no click. The worst case is a big pileup. >> > > It would appear that the K3 is momentarily running at full gain when > returning from transmit, the "click" being full gain until the AGC can > react to signal levels 'in the channel'. That supposition can only be > confirmed by Lyle or Wayne but you might be able to moderate the click > by turning off AGC and riding the RF gain. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2014-12-04 9:05 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > >> Tommy, >> >> I have 8 pole filters for 400, 1000 and 2800 Hz. I am almost always using >> the 400 on CW. I use QRQ mode whenever possible. I found various sources of >> clicks including bias switching in my amplifier, and a switched power >> source for my Pixel Loop. I removed everything to isolate the problem. All >> tests were done in TX TEST mode, no RF generated. >> >> The most bothersome K3 generated noise is a click when returning to >> receive state. You hear it in full or semi- QSK mode when returning to >> receive. The amplitude of this click depends on the amount of noise or >> signals in the 'channel'. When listening to rx noise with no antenna, >> there's no click. The worst case is a big pileup. There is also a noise >> that is hard to describe, sort of a fuzziness around the sidetone. That >> also depends on the amount of signal and noise in the background. >> >> Turning down either the audio or RF gain helps with both artifacts, but >> makes the output lower than desirable. >> >> I talked to Wayne and Lyle a long time ago about possible ways to >> ameliorate these noises and they had some ideas, but I haven't heard >> anything recently. >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> >> On Dec 4, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Chester Alderman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Vic, >>> >>> With interest, I read your emails about the K3 QSK and the noise it >>> produced and I have a question for you. I?ve had my K3 for about three >>> years and I purchased it with a full complement of CW filters for both >>> receivers, including the 8-pole 250 hz filter. I normally run my radios in >>> full QSK, but of course, depending on sending speed, running the K3 in full >>> QSK means you lose too many other good features. >>> >>> >>> I never really noticed the noise generated while in full QSK until >>> recently, and it is quite bad! About a year ago I changed my 8-pole 250 hz >>> filter to the 5 pole 250 hz filter and actually I think that is when I >>> started noticing how bad the pumping and generated noise from my K3 >>> sounded. Of course I run AGC-Fast, with no preamp (unless on 10m and then >>> only seldom have the preamp turned on). >>> >>> >>> My question to you is do you have the 250 hz filter installed in the >>> main Rx and if so, is it the 8-pole or the 5-pole? I think right after >>> Christmas I am going to re-install my 8-pole filter just to see if that has >>> any bearing on the awful QSK noise. >>> >>> Also, have you had any response from Elecraft on this issue? >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any comment Vic and 73, >>> >>> Tom ? W4BQF >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 14:12:35 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:12:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] addendum to K2 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having heard stories like this hundreds of times over the years, why do we start by thinking the radio is broken? :>)) Wish I had a buck for every post here complaining about radio gear that wound up completely external to K2, K3, KATxxx, etc. In some cases it was a really hard sell to get the guy to go outside to find where the problem really was. Is that because the radio is in front of us and has lights on, and therefore is what our eyes fasten upon? Or are we really that pre-disaffected with our radios? 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Wiener wrote: > Hi again > > Well this morning I checked all the coax connections all snug soldered > connections to g5rv window line intact > Re checked the K2/100 and KAT100 > Here?s the results > > no lights on SWR below 20M again variable output and SWR > > SO?it turns out I have a faulty cable from the shack to the outside box. > I switched to a diff line and all is well for now > > Thanks for all the support over the years > Sorry for the false alarm. > > 73 > > John > AB8O > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From TimEdmonson at spfs.net Thu Dec 4 14:18:35 2014 From: TimEdmonson at spfs.net (Tim Edmonson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:18:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/k3 question Message-ID: I have a K2 with the external twin at/100 and pa/100. My external 100 watt amp and tuner is controlled by the serial cable coming off the radio. I want to someday get a K3 and was wondering if the k3 would be able to control the external amp/tuner combo I currently have with my K2?? Thanks Ka4wws Tim From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 14:33:08 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:33:08 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/k3 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately the K2 KPA100/KAT100 will only work with the K2. For the K3 you'll need to get the KPA3/KAT3 modules, or possibly get an external amp such as KXPA100/KXAT100 that can be used with both K2and K3 (albeit not as fully integrated as the dedicated amplifier/ATU options for each radio). 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 5 Dec 2014, at 6:18 am, Tim Edmonson wrote: > > I have a K2 with the external twin at/100 and pa/100. > > My external 100 watt amp and tuner is controlled by the serial cable coming off the radio. > > I want to someday get a K3 and was wondering if the k3 would be able to control the external amp/tuner combo I currently have with my K2?? > > Thanks > Ka4wws > > Tim > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 14:34:08 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:34:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/k3 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope. The six non-serial-port leads in that cable are K2 internal leads very specific to the K2. 73, Guy On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Tim Edmonson wrote: > I have a K2 with the external twin at/100 and pa/100. > > My external 100 watt amp and tuner is controlled by the serial cable > coming off the radio. > > I want to someday get a K3 and was wondering if the k3 would be able to > control the external amp/tuner combo I currently have with my K2?? > > Thanks > Ka4wws > > Tim > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 4 14:40:16 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:40:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW In-Reply-To: <548086CD.70900@xs4all.nl> References: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> <548086CD.70900@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5480B8A0.1000903@foothill.net> Hmmm, both work fine on my Samsung Galaxy 5, volume works fine, they're my default ring tones. Both were free, but I've had them for quite awhile now. I wish SMS2CW looked in the phone book. I know phone numbers for wife, kids, and grandkids, but for others, the CW just lets me know that someone is calling me from some area code. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/4/2014 8:07 AM, Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) wrote: > Yes, but on my Samsung GT-I9100 'phone it's very distorted, except the > first character, I cannot control the volume and set this as default > ringtone... > > And it's not free it cost me 69 eurocents to get it. From wa5rtg at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 15:00:30 2014 From: wa5rtg at gmail.com (K5GO) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:00:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Audio Dead on Sub Receiver when first connected Message-ID: <1417723230156-7595465.post@n2.nabble.com> I am using RemoteRig with K3 Twins. I want to use N1MM and SO2V. Everything works as advertised except when you choose to change the focus from VFO 1 to the sub receiver or VFOB the audio from the sub receiver is dead until you slightly move the AF gain knob for the sub receiver. It works properly if set up as a stand alone local rig but with the remote connected, you have no audio until you fiddle with the AF Gain knob. I posted something on the reflector and got several off line responses saying that this was a problem and the others had not been able to get around it. It was suggested by one with the problem that I post it here. Others have reported having the same thing happen when they first connect to the remote on the main receiver. I have not had that problem. Even if I did it, and was only using the one VFO it would not be such an inconvenience. Using SO2V there would be hundreds of instances of going back and forth between VFOs in a contest and it is a big inconvenience to have to move the AF Gain knob every time. Thanks...Stan, K5GO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RemoteRig-Audio-Dead-on-Sub-Receiver-when-first-connected-tp7595465.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 4 15:13:42 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:13:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> Message-ID: <5480C076.606@foothill.net> Nor do I. ATT=ON/PRE=OFF on 160, 80, and 40 unless 40 is unusually quiet. Then I might set ATT=OFF [not common], ATT=OFF/PRE=OFF on 20, ATT=OFF/PRE=ON on 10, and sometimes PRE=ON on 15 [also not common]. I'm about 90% CW, I run QSK no QRQ most of the time, QRQ in contests. Paddle is on the K3, computer keys via WinKey USB. I haven't touched the AGC settings since the firmware that added all of them came out and I never back off the RF GAIN. AGC=F on CW and AFSK, AGC=S on SSB. I'm moderately deaf from noise trauma many years ago, so AF GAIN is at about 12 to 1 o'clock. I use headphones almost exclusively unless I'm just monitoring 14061 for a SOTA activation, my K3 sounds better than any radio I've ever had including the TS-850 which is noted for great audio. I wonder how many of the various receive artifacts that are discussed on the list would be resolvable with very careful adjustment of AGC and other parameters? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/4/2014 11:02 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > I definitely don't have the CW QRQ problems that others seem to be > describing. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Dec 4 15:16:25 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:16:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Android_App_for_CW?= In-Reply-To: <5480B8A0.1000903@foothill.net> References: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> <548086CD.70900@xs4all.nl>,<5480B8A0.1000903@foothill.net> Message-ID: <151382.65845.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I tried several of these apps, but none of them really did what I wanted. I finally recorded a separate ringtone for each person I wanted by using the Samsung Voice Recorder on my Galaxy S5. I used the sidetone from my KX3 and a CW Touch Keyer to eliminate ?paddle clatter?. I suppose you could hook the KX3 audio directly into the S5 mic input, but I did it the easy way and just set the phone next to the radio, hit record, and started sending. Using this technique, I can keep the ringtone short (i.e. AMY, KELLY, etc.). I find that it is much less confusing when standing in the supermarket checkout line. It isn't automatic, though, and you must assign each recorded ringtone file to the caller name in your contacts list. Mark, KE6BB From fraz1 at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 4 15:56:25 2014 From: fraz1 at bellsouth.net (John Frazier) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:56:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1...two questions....encoder and firmware version? Message-ID: <5480CA79.1090907@bellsouth.net> Hi folks..... Just obtained a KX1. Covers the four bands, with built-in ATU and paddles. I've already had fun with it. I can't seem to bring upn the the firmware version by pressing a switch while powering up? What am I doing wrong? Also, the encoder seems a tad "loose". It works perfectly fine. Is there an upgrade or is that pretty standard? Thanks for any input..... John W4II From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 4 16:28:51 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:28:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1...two questions....encoder and firmware version? In-Reply-To: <5480CA79.1090907@bellsouth.net> References: <5480CA79.1090907@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <5480D213.80205@embarqmail.com> John, If your KX1 has 4 bands, you have firmware 1.02 - it is required to support 80 meters. That is also the latest firmware revision. There was a change in the encoder used in the KX1 a while back. The new one has a tighter 'feel' to it. You might want to consider changing it. The encoder is not difficult to change if you cut off the pins on the old one (cut close to the encoder body) and remove the remaining bits one at a time. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2014 3:56 PM, John Frazier wrote: > Hi folks..... > > Just obtained a KX1. Covers the four bands, with built-in ATU and > paddles. I've already had fun with it. > I can't seem to bring upn the the firmware version by pressing a > switch while powering up? What am I doing wrong? > > Also, the encoder seems a tad "loose". It works perfectly fine. Is > there an upgrade or is that pretty standard? > From wb7sde at evross.com Thu Dec 4 17:08:07 2014 From: wb7sde at evross.com (Eric Ross) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:08:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Android App for CW In-Reply-To: <1417726590.3428160.198967865.21CF0F6C@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <547FDB47.4070709@foothill.net> <548086CD.70900@xs4all.nl>,<5480B8A0.1000903@foothill.net> <151382.65845.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1417726590.3428160.198967865.21CF0F6C@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1417730887.3443056.198997249.2A1AB52A@webmail.messagingengine.com> I generated some nice sounding cw mp3's for my ringtone using this site: http://www.morseresource.com/morse/makemorse.php Eric, WB7SDE On Thu, Dec 4, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Eric Ross wrote: > I generated some nice sounding cw mp3's for my ringtone using this site: > > http://www.morseresource.com/morse/makemorse.php > > Eric, > > WB7SDE > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Mark via Elecraft wrote: > > I tried several of these apps, but none of them really did what I wanted. > > I finally recorded a separate ringtone for each person I wanted by using > > the Samsung Voice Recorder on my Galaxy S5. I used the sidetone from my > > KX3 and a CW Touch Keyer to eliminate ?paddle clatter?. I suppose you > > could hook the KX3 audio directly into the S5 mic input, but I did it the > > easy way and just set the phone next to the radio, hit record, and > > started sending. > > > > > > Using this technique, I can keep the ringtone short (i.e. AMY, KELLY, > > etc.). I find that it is much less confusing when standing in the > > supermarket checkout line. It isn't automatic, though, and you must > > assign each recorded ringtone file to the caller name in your contacts > > list. > > > > > > Mark, > > > > KE6BB > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wb7sde at evross.com > > > -- > Eric Ross -- Eric Ross From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 4 17:12:32 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:12:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] addendum to K2 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5480DC50.50203@foothill.net> On 12/4/2014 11:12 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Is that because the radio is in front of us and has lights on, and > therefore is what our eyes fasten upon? Or are we really that > pre-disaffected with our radios? Probably neither. It seems to be basic human nature to assume the worst. Kid is overdue from a school event, "OMG, Kevin's been kidnapped!" 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From jalleninvest at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 17:22:00 2014 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:22:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] addendum to K2 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I estimate that something over 90% of all the problems I have had with rigs over the years not performing up to spec came from from bad coax and connector installation. That's the first thing I suspect now. Goofy tune up, weird SWR readings, lo-no output, poor signal reception, hair loss and gout, all from bad connectors and bad coax! It's not always that, of course, but it has been the first place to start looking, and testing every part of the feed line from S0-239 to driven element! 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Having heard stories like this hundreds of times over the years, why do we > start by thinking the radio is broken? :>)) Wish I had a buck for every > post here complaining about radio gear that wound up completely external to > K2, K3, KATxxx, etc. In some cases it was a really hard sell to get the guy > to go outside to find where the problem really was. > > Is that because the radio is in front of us and has lights on, and > therefore is what our eyes fasten upon? Or are we really that > pre-disaffected with our radios? > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Wiener wrote: > > > Hi again > > > > Well this morning I checked all the coax connections all snug soldered > > connections to g5rv window line intact > > Re checked the K2/100 and KAT100 > > Here?s the results > > > > no lights on SWR below 20M again variable output and SWR > > > > SO?it turns out I have a faulty cable from the shack to the outside box. > > I switched to a diff line and all is well for now > > > > Thanks for all the support over the years > > Sorry for the false alarm. > > > > 73 > > > > John > > AB8O > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jalleninvest at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 17:24:51 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:24:51 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 UPDATE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I gave up on it :-( Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 05/12/2014 3:36 AM, "hsherriff" wrote: > I second that emotion (sic). > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > >
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> Good morning group. Well time for my request again to Elecraft. Could we > please see some firmware update to the P3. Now that the KX3 project is up > and running perhaps we could finish the P3 project. I personally would > like to see the noise blanker applied to the SVGA and some scrolling > capability to the CW and Digital format. It would also be nice to finish > the sensor so we could monitor our station output. Any chance we could see > some updates to the P3 before Christmas? Merry Christmas to all and 73! > K3 SN176. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Thu Dec 4 19:17:56 2014 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:17:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> References: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> Message-ID: <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> On 04/12/14 18:20, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > The K3 does not generate AFSK internally. AFSK is only transmitted > in response to external audio. But that is exactly how SDR architecture transmitters do generate FSK. The only difference from what is popularly called AFSK is that the tone starts as digital sine waves. The ones may be a bit higher pitch than one normally expects from AFSK, but they are still audio tones. (As the K3 uses an I/Q structure, you could, theoretically, generate the two tones as positive and negative tones at the same frequency, but the problems with handling the DC crossover means that it is unlikely that anyone would do that.) In case it is not clear, I consider both the K3 and KX3 to be SDR designs. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 From ki4txp at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 19:36:09 2014 From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't TX Message-ID: Hi Folks, I brought my K3 to Florida for the winter. I turned it on and it won't TX RX is fine except for the QRN nothing I can do about that. Any ideas for the TX problem? -- 73 KI4TXP JAY From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 4 20:08:14 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <5481057E.1030503@subich.com> While the K3 is an SDR, it generates FSK Mark and Space tones directly at IF. There is no digitizing of audio tones from the input and numerically mixing them to IF and filtering (or numerically cancelling) the unwanted products. The fact that the tones are created in response to a DC control input - not an audio input - is what makes FSK_D FSK not AFSK. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-04 7:17 PM, David Woolley wrote: > On 04/12/14 18:20, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> The K3 does not generate AFSK internally. AFSK is only transmitted >> in response to external audio. > > But that is exactly how SDR architecture transmitters do generate FSK. > The only difference from what is popularly called AFSK is that the tone > starts as digital sine waves. > > The ones may be a bit higher pitch than one normally expects from AFSK, > but they are still audio tones. > > (As the K3 uses an I/Q structure, you could, theoretically, generate the > two tones as positive and negative tones at the same frequency, but the > problems with handling the DC crossover means that it is unlikely that > anyone would do that.) > > In case it is not clear, I consider both the K3 and KX3 to be SDR designs. > From k2ttt at optonline.net Thu Dec 4 20:09:15 2014 From: k2ttt at optonline.net (Jay K2TTT) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d01028$16976060$43c62120$@net> Is it in "test" mode? 73 K2TTT (Jay)C6ATT -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JAY Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 7:36 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't TX Hi Folks, I brought my K3 to Florida for the winter. I turned it on and it won't TX RX is fine except for the QRN nothing I can do about that. Any ideas for the TX problem? -- 73 KI4TXP JAY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2ttt at optonline.net From w3sb at ptd.net Thu Dec 4 20:24:21 2014 From: w3sb at ptd.net (w3sb) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:24:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <863435852.13022239.1417741510153.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> Message-ID: <941863374.13028469.1417742661412.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> Hello, I'm trying to get on PSK31 with a new Windows 7 64-bit computer. I've read the owner's and Cady manuals, checked and re-checked the settings and still no joy. The setup is the K3, ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card, microKEYER interface and FLdigi. Basically I have no power output and no ALC indication. Receive is OK. Here are the K3 settings: MODE=DATA A MIC SEL=LINE IN VOX=ON VOX GN=50 LINE=40 PWR=20 In FLdidi: PortAudio checked CAPTURE=LINE(Xonar U7) PLAYBACK=SPEAKERS(Xonar U7) In FLdigi if I start a message, PTT turns on OK but turning the MIC(LINE) knob has no effect and there is no power out (Bird watt meter). When a message is started, if I look in the CONTROL PANEL > SOUND, I see modulation via the Playback (Speakers) bar graph at the 60% level. I have the setup working on RTTY with MMTTY just fine but PSK is giving me fits. Suggestions are certainly welcome! 73, Monty W3SB From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 20:28:14 2014 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:28:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <54810A2E.7020802@gmail.com> In the case of the K3, the FSK mode uses DSP-generated IF frequencies in the 15 kHz range for the Tx, and simultaneously creates audio tones at the selected pitch-pair. In AFSK mode, the radio requires that you supply audio to a Mic connector or the Line In connector. The AFSK Tx filter may optionally be employed, but its use is not required and with later versions of DSP code is probably of marginal utility. In the case of the KX3, the tones are generated at baseband. 73, Lyle KK7P (who emphatically agrees these products are SDRs > On 04/12/14 18:20, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> The K3 does not generate AFSK internally. AFSK is only transmitted >> in response to external audio. > > But that is exactly how SDR architecture transmitters do generate FSK. > The only difference from what is popularly called AFSK is that the > tone starts as digital sine waves. > > The ones may be a bit higher pitch than one normally expects from > AFSK, but they are still audio tones. > > (As the K3 uses an I/Q structure, you could, theoretically, generate > the two tones as positive and negative tones at the same frequency, > but the problems with handling the DC crossover means that it is > unlikely that anyone would do that.) > > In case it is not clear, I consider both the K3 and KX3 to be SDR > designs. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 4 20:35:10 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:35:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54810BCE.10600@foothill.net> Not sure what you mean by "won't TX" but a couple of things you might check: -- is it in TX Test mode -- is the proper antenna selected. K3's won't make RF into an open circuit. You can ask me how I know that, a humbling experience with Wayne on the phone -- If you're on CW, is VOX on? -- If you're on SSB, is PTT properly connected for your mic? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/4/2014 4:36 PM, JAY wrote: > Hi Folks, > I brought my K3 to Florida for the winter. I turned it on and it won't TX > RX is fine except for the QRN nothing I can do about that. > Any ideas for the TX problem? > From k1xx at k1xx.com Thu Dec 4 20:43:56 2014 From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:43:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't TX In-Reply-To: <54810BCE.10600@foothill.net> References: <54810BCE.10600@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54810DDC.1040404@k1xx.com> And check the TX INH if you've been messing around in the Config Menu. 73 charlie, k1xx On 12/4/2014 8:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Not sure what you mean by "won't TX" but a couple of things you might > check: > > -- is it in TX Test mode > > -- is the proper antenna selected. K3's won't make RF into an open > circuit. You can ask me how I know that, a humbling experience with > Wayne on the phone > > -- If you're on CW, is VOX on? > > -- If you're on SSB, is PTT properly connected for your mic? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/4/2014 4:36 PM, JAY wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> I brought my K3 to Florida for the winter. I turned it on and it >> won't TX >> RX is fine except for the QRN nothing I can do about that. >> Any ideas for the TX problem? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1xx at k1xx.com > From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 4 21:00:50 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <941863374.13028469.1417742661412.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> References: <941863374.13028469.1417742661412.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> Message-ID: <548111D2.1020801@subich.com> Have you followed the "Setting Audio Levels" section of the microKEYER Users manual *exactly*? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-04 8:24 PM, w3sb wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to get on PSK31 with a new Windows 7 64-bit computer. I've read the owner's and Cady manuals, checked and re-checked the settings and still no joy. The setup is the K3, ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card, microKEYER interface and FLdigi. Basically I have no power output and no ALC indication. Receive is OK. Here are the K3 settings: > > MODE=DATA A > MIC SEL=LINE IN > VOX=ON > VOX GN=50 > LINE=40 > PWR=20 > > In FLdidi: > PortAudio checked > CAPTURE=LINE(Xonar U7) > PLAYBACK=SPEAKERS(Xonar U7) > > In FLdigi if I start a message, PTT turns on OK but turning the MIC(LINE) knob has no effect and there is no power out (Bird watt meter). When a message is started, if I look in the CONTROL PANEL > SOUND, I see modulation via the Playback (Speakers) bar graph at the 60% level. > > I have the setup working on RTTY with MMTTY just fine but PSK is giving me fits. Suggestions are certainly welcome! > > 73, Monty W3SB > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kb9iva at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 21:29:19 2014 From: kb9iva at sbcglobal.net (Robert Reiman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:29:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest Message-ID: <1417746559.43677.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Please keep me signed in to the Elecraft Digest. 72/73's Robert Reiman Kb9iva From jock.irvine at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 21:42:01 2014 From: jock.irvine at gmail.com (Jock Irvine) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:42:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time Message-ID: I just finished assembling my new KX3 yesterday and I'm not sure if the real-time clock is working correctly. I set the time, but when I turn off the rig and turn it back on it's set to a completely different time. Am I missing something? Jock, N1JI From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Dec 4 22:16:37 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:16:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1417749397109-7595485.post@n2.nabble.com> Did you install battery charger/batteries and enable it? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Clock-Not-Keeping-Time-tp7595484p7595485.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 4 22:19:03 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] addendum to K2 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54812427.9010004@embarqmail.com> That is why I first ask how the transceiver behaves when connected to a dummy load. Even that is not conclusive because there is always the possibility of a faulty coax between the transceiver and the dummy load, but it does usually rule out a fault in the transceiver and force attention to the antenna system. Bad connections in the antenna system can cause all kinds of 'strange happenings'. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2014 5:22 PM, Jim Allen wrote: > I estimate that something over 90% of all the problems I have had with rigs > over the years not performing up to spec came from from bad coax and > connector installation. That's the first thing I suspect now. Goofy tune > up, weird SWR readings, lo-no output, poor signal reception, hair loss and > gout, all from bad connectors and bad coax! > > It's not always that, of course, but it has been the first place to start > looking, and testing every part of the feed line from S0-239 to driven > element! > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 4 22:37:29 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:37:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <941863374.13028469.1417742661412.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> References: <941863374.13028469.1417742661412.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> Message-ID: <54812879.9090502@embarqmail.com> Monty, You apparently do not have enough audio going into the K3. You mention an external soundcard as well as a microKEYER interface (the microKEYER does include an external soundcard). So do you have the correct soundcard specified in your software application(s) and is that soundcard connected to the K3 line-in and line-out jacks? The K3 does have internal isolation transformers on the line-in and line-out jacks, so you can use the ASUS soundcard alone with no problems and not depend on the isolation provided in the microKEYER. If instead you wish to use the microKEYER soundcard, you must tell your software application to use that soundcard and setup the microKEYER for line level output (rather than microphone level) as instructed in the microHam documentation. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2014 8:24 PM, w3sb wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to get on PSK31 with a new Windows 7 64-bit computer. I've read the owner's and Cady manuals, checked and re-checked the settings and still no joy. The setup is the K3, ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card, microKEYER interface and FLdigi. Basically I have no power output and no ALC indication. Receive is OK. Here are the K3 settings: > > MODE=DATA A > MIC SEL=LINE IN > VOX=ON > VOX GN=50 > LINE=40 > PWR=20 > > In FLdidi: > PortAudio checked > CAPTURE=LINE(Xonar U7) > PLAYBACK=SPEAKERS(Xonar U7) > > In FLdigi if I start a message, PTT turns on OK but turning the MIC(LINE) knob has no effect and there is no power out (Bird watt meter). When a message is started, if I look in the CONTROL PANEL > SOUND, I see modulation via the Playback (Speakers) bar graph at the 60% level. > > I have the setup working on RTTY with MMTTY just fine but PSK is giving me fits. Suggestions are certainly welcome! > > 73, Monty W3SB > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 4 22:55:48 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <54812CC4.5030504@embarqmail.com> David and all, I would beg to differ, AFSK starts as external audio tones into an SSB transmitter. How those tones are modulated into an RF signal is not dependent on whether the transceiver is DSP or analog, the output should be the same. It may be digitized in the middle of the transceiver, but the input and the RF output should be the same. The input is pure analog and not digital sine waves. FSK is a slightly different 'animal' and in its simplistic form is the shift of a VFO frequency to create the mark and space tones. That too can be handled internally by various DSP algorithms, but the end result should be the same - an RF output that shifts in frequency between the mark and space frequencies. Both are demodulated by the receiving station as tones to be decoded. Theoretically, there is no difference on the receiving end by an RTTY signal generated by AFSK or FSK means. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2014 7:17 PM, David Woolley wrote: > On 04/12/14 18:20, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> The K3 does not generate AFSK internally. AFSK is only transmitted >> in response to external audio. > > But that is exactly how SDR architecture transmitters do generate FSK. > The only difference from what is popularly called AFSK is that the > tone starts as digital sine waves. > > The ones may be a bit higher pitch than one normally expects from > AFSK, but they are still audio tones. > > (As the K3 uses an I/Q structure, you could, theoretically, generate > the two tones as positive and negative tones at the same frequency, > but the problems with handling the DC crossover means that it is > unlikely that anyone would do that.) > > In case it is not clear, I consider both the K3 and KX3 to be SDR > designs. > From jock.irvine at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 22:58:20 2014 From: jock.irvine at gmail.com (Jock Irvine) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:58:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time In-Reply-To: <1417749397109-7595485.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1417749397109-7595485.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87A517DE-0C0E-41D5-8CE3-D8B7E908366B@gmail.com> Yes, and I've tried disabling/Enabling it a few times. Whenever I turn the radio on, the clock starts at 00:68:00 then the seconds count up to 00:69:00. After another minute it's at 01:00:00 and it goes on from there. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > Did you install battery charger/batteries and enable it? > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Clock-Not-Keeping-Time-tp7595484p7595485.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jock.irvine at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 4 23:03:01 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:03:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time In-Reply-To: <87A517DE-0C0E-41D5-8CE3-D8B7E908366B@gmail.com> References: <1417749397109-7595485.post@n2.nabble.com> <87A517DE-0C0E-41D5-8CE3-D8B7E908366B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54812E75.9030402@embarqmail.com> Do you have batteries installed in your KX3? If not, there is no power to keep the time clock running when you power the KX3 off. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2014 10:58 PM, Jock Irvine wrote: > Yes, and I've tried disabling/Enabling it a few times. Whenever I turn the radio on, the clock starts at 00:68:00 then the seconds count up to 00:69:00. After another minute it's at 01:00:00 and it goes on from there. > > From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 23:53:46 2014 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:53:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you install the battery charger option? ? You need this to keep time -------- Original message -------- From: "Jock Irvine [via Elecraft]" Date:12/04/2014 18:42 (GMT-08:00) To: KD6QZX Subject: KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time I just finished assembling my new KX3 yesterday and I'm not sure if the real-time clock is working correctly. I set the time, but when I turn off the rig and turn it back on it's set to a completely different time. Am I missing something? Jock, N1JI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Clock-Not-Keeping-Time-tp7595484.html To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here. NAML ----- K3 #348 KX3 #2499 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Clock-Not-Keeping-Time-tp7595484p7595491.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Fri Dec 5 05:23:30 2014 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:23:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> Message-ID: <548187A2.8030508@g3tct.co.uk> I'm very interested in this topic, having raised this question a long time back. What I said in June 2011 was:- /I'm using qsk on cw and I find that if the rf gain is turned up to hear some background noise, there's a transient or click when the rig switches to rx (but not when it switches from rx to tx). To hear this really badly, try opening the cw b/w up to 2kHz and sending a stream of dots. The effect is there even at 400Hz, and it's rather off-putting. / It related to the barefoot K3 in normal break in, not QRQ. I am referring to use on 6m where the background noise is relatively low, but signals can be very weak. I do not have this problem with my other rig - an Icom 575. It would be great to make the K3 as good, because I found it so bad that I have stopped using QSK altogether. Graham From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 05:32:37 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:32:37 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Windoze 8.1 and utilities Message-ID: Ok. Dumb question. Instsalled utilities and when i open each one it reinstalls it and adds another icon to the desktop. Any 8.1 folks know what i did wrong? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 05:42:12 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:42:12 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Windoze 8.1 and utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have no clue what I did, but, fixed now. Stupid Windoze...or operator...:-) Gary On 5 December 2014 at 20:32, Gary Gregory wrote: > Ok. Dumb question. > > Instsalled utilities and when i open each one it reinstalls it and adds > another icon to the desktop. > Any 8.1 folks know what i did wrong? > > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz Motorhome Portable* *"Grumpy's House"* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* From jock.irvine at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 06:14:42 2014 From: jock.irvine at gmail.com (Jock Irvine) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 06:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37E096A0-F346-4EC4-87AF-4AB1EE807D22@gmail.com> Yes. I've got eight new ni-mh batteries installed (2400 ma-hours each) and the battery charger option was able to charge them successfully. Thanks & 73 Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:53 PM, KD6QZX wrote: > > Did you install the battery charger option? You need this to keep time > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Jock Irvine [via Elecraft]" > Date:12/04/2014 18:42 (GMT-08:00) > To: KD6QZX > Subject: KX3 Clock Not Keeping Time > > I just finished assembling my new KX3 yesterday and I'm not sure if the > real-time clock is working correctly. I set the time, but when I turn off > the rig and turn it back on it's set to a completely different time. Am I > missing something? > > Jock, N1JI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Clock-Not-Keeping-Time-tp7595484.html > To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here. > NAML > > > > ----- > K3 #348 KX3 #2499 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Clock-Not-Keeping-Time-tp7595484p7595491.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jock.irvine at gmail.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Dec 5 08:12:02 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:12:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <548111D2.1020801@subich.com> References: <548111D2.1020801@subich.com> Message-ID: <5481AF22.4040800@nycap.rr.com> I spent a bunch of time and effort setting up my K3 for PSK and RTTY - with only mediocre success - followed by setting up the same K3 with my Signalink USB - also with questionable results. I followed many threads here - reading some really good information and a few insults. I did not become part of the threads due to the latter. The biggest problem I had was going from digital back to SSB. I always had to keep a list of the menu changes needed. Generally, I operate 95% SSB and the rest on digital or CW. Hence, it was not worth my time to switch back and forth. It was too complicated. Instead, I now run the Signalink USB with my TS-480. Set the Signalink up for the 480 and got the wire to plug it into the 480. Then I made a couple of quick settings on the Signalink and all is good. Now when I want to do digital - I turn the 480 on, turn the Signalink on, set mode to USB and select the frequency - no other changes to anything. Power output is controlled by drive from the Signalink (I just know someone is going to ask). When I want to change back to voice - I pick up the mic and talk - no changes to anything. Now I can leave the K3 alone and not disturb all my menu settings that optimize my SSB operation. Probably not the answer anyone is looking for - but, it sure works for me. From alsopb at nc.rr.com Fri Dec 5 08:23:53 2014 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (briana) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:23:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <548187A2.8030508@g3tct.co.uk> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> <548187A2.8030508@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <5481B1E9.7090901@nc.rr.com> Interesting indeed. First impressing when getting the K3 was: "Where is this flawless QSK people are raving about". More use detected this flawlessnes frequently. I always use QSK (not QRQ version) on the K3. At some times it is absolutely wonderful, at others there are all kinds of thumps and clicks. This is particularly puzzling since I always almost always use the same filter settings (250 Hz filter set to kIick in at 350 Hz, 350 Hz bandwidth selected), same AGC, same audio settings and same earphones. One can clearly see a "thump" on the panadapter when there is a problem. I generally keep the monitor level low. Some observations: 1) clicks and pops more evident with low monitor settings (contrary to others observations). 2) narrower CW filters seem worse. 3) no clear dependence on dead vs crowded band. Perplexing indeed. It's kind of like sloper antennas which great for some but terribly for others. It seems like a detailed parametric study is needed to determine which receiver and band condition parameters are important and which are not. Also what measure does one used to determine performance? Right now all we have are subjective reports. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 12/5/2014 5:23 AM, Graham g3tct wrote: > I'm very interested in this topic, having raised this question a long > time back. What I said in June 2011 was:- > /I'm using qsk on cw and I find that if the rf gain is turned up to > hear some background noise, there's a transient or click when the rig > switches to rx (but not when it switches from rx to tx). To hear this > really badly, try opening the cw b/w up to 2kHz and sending a stream > of dots. The effect is there even at 400Hz, and it's rather > off-putting. / > > It related to the barefoot K3 in normal break in, not QRQ. I am > referring to use on 6m where the background noise is relatively low, > but signals can be very weak. I do not have this problem with my > other rig - an Icom 575. It would be great to make the K3 as good, > because I found it so bad that I have stopped using QSK altogether. > > Graham > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4235/8177 - Release Date: 12/04/14 > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 5 08:42:44 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:42:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <5481AF22.4040800@nycap.rr.com> References: <548111D2.1020801@subich.com> <5481AF22.4040800@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5481B654.3000903@embarqmail.com> Once things are set up in the menu - - There should be no need to change menu settings when changing from SSB to data modes, just change the mode and all should be set. Set the mode to SSB for voice operation and change to DATA A to use soundcard audio for PSK or AFSK A for RTTY. That is true unless you are feeding the soundcard into the front or rear mic jack instead of using the Line-in and Line-out jacks on the rear of the K3. By using the line in/out jacks, there is no cable plugging nor menu changes requires, just change the mode on the K3 and the menu settings should follow. If you are trying to use SSB mode when operating data, then you will have to make menu changes, but the K3 has provisions for a separate DATA mode which makes operation seamless. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2014 8:12 AM, W2BLC wrote: > The biggest problem I had was going from digital back to SSB. I always > had to keep a list of the menu changes needed. Generally, I operate > 95% SSB and the rest on digital or CW. Hence, it was not worth my time > to switch back and forth. It was too complicated. > From andy.nehan at btinternet.com Fri Dec 5 08:45:38 2014 From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product Message-ID: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> As is its a real useful item I would NOT be without BUT it could be better and the external sensor and the corresponding ability to monitor ones signals would be a great asset. I follow the N8LP site and I note beta copies of the LP500 are soon to be shipped - must say it looks very tasty (probably far more capability than most people need and more than the P3 could deliver). It would however be nice to know if the P3 was going to be enhanced sometime in the not too distant future before folks get bored waiting and just buy the LP500 (not going to be cheap!!). Andy G4HUE K3 sn6990 P3 sn 2493 KAT500 sn 1245 KPA500 sn 2102 From no9e at arrl.net Fri Dec 5 10:06:01 2014 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:06:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <1417791961654-7595500.post@n2.nabble.com> Most of LP500 information is for personal interest, with little help for DXing or contesting. Also extra cables needed, e.g., for trapezoid display. P3 does one thing well. Extras would cost hardware and software. I would say LP100 and P3 serve different markets. Also nowadays, often software costs more than hardware, and Elecraft pays for software development with hardware sales. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-unfinished-product-tp7595499p7595500.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 5 10:47:16 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:47:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <5481D384.9070402@socal.rr.com> P3 is a fine product as it is -- hardly "unfinished" as you more than suggest. If you need more than it offers, you have found other option. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/5/14 5:45 AM, ANDY NEHAN wrote: > As is its a real useful item I would NOT be without BUT it could be better and the external sensor and the corresponding ability to monitor ones signals would be a great asset. > I follow the N8LP site and I note beta copies of the LP500 are soon to be shipped - must say it looks very tasty (probably far more capability than most people need and more than the P3 could deliver). > It would however be nice to know if the P3 was going to be enhanced sometime in the not too distant future before folks get bored waiting and just buy the LP500 (not going to be cheap!!). > Andy G4HUE > K3 sn6990 > P3 sn 2493 > KAT500 sn 1245 > KPA500 sn 2102 From TimEdmonson at spfs.net Fri Dec 5 10:58:24 2014 From: TimEdmonson at spfs.net (Tim Edmonson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:58:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio question K-2 Message-ID: <5A15E207-D319-46EF-BB80-DD8265DA2A6E@spfs.net> I have a k2 and the original elecraft mic. I want to use it on 75 meters and rag chew a little during the winter months. Where should the mic setting and compression setting be to produce audio that is pleasant to listen too... I'm not interested at all in sounding like a broadcaster or trying to tailor my audio to every individuals liking. But- I do get told often that it sounds a little "pinched" up. I do run my k2/100 into an amp. Any help is appreciated Tim Edmonson Captain D's Area partner-Ky 270-978-1014 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 5 12:01:46 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:01:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuning Message-ID: <6ea50.4af16cf8.41b33efa@aol.com> I run a full K-Line - K3, P3, KPA500 and KAT500, and I have a bit of an issue with the procedure for tuning the KAT500 with the KAT500 in Operate. Here is the situation: With the KPA500 in Standby, I tune the KAT500 by first pushing the Tune button on the K3 to apply 20w of drive, and then follow by pushing the Tune button on the KAT500. Once the KAT500 has tuned, I then inactivate the drive from the K3 and switch the KPA500 into Operate. No problem at all with this. Occasionally when operating with the KPA500, I need to retune the KAT500. So, I must switch the KPA into Standby, and the retune the KAT. Here is what I would like: With the KPA in Operate, hit the K3's Tune button and have the KPA "automatically" go into Stadby so the KAT can be tuned. And, then, following the tune cycle, have the KPA automatically revert back to Operate once the K3's tuning has been inactivated. Is there a procedure for this, or could a macro be built to do this? Or could this be incorporated into a firmware upgrade? I'd be interested in knowing if automating the Operate/Standby function of the KPA500 has been discussed previously Tnx & 73, Geo... George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 cell From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 5 12:02:54 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:02:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio question K-2 In-Reply-To: <5A15E207-D319-46EF-BB80-DD8265DA2A6E@spfs.net> References: <5A15E207-D319-46EF-BB80-DD8265DA2A6E@spfs.net> Message-ID: <5481E53E.7060403@embarqmail.com> Tim, With the Elecraft mic, an SSBA setting of 1 is normally sufficient although 2 can be used on bands where the RF gain is lower (10/12 meters). I would recommend setting the SSBC menu parameter to 3-1 for general use. If that is too much compression for ragchew groups, use 2-1. The KSB2 has excess bass response. You can change KSB2 C34 from 2.2uF to 0.47uF and C23 from 0.1uF to something in the range of .0033 to .005uF to reduce the bass response. If you have the 2.1kHz OP1 filter width, the audio may appear a bit 'pinched' on the high frequency end, but if the width is the more recent 2.4kHz, it should sound more natural. If you don't know which width you have, look at the KSB2 board to see if there are capacitors in the CB and CN positions - if you have capacitors there, the width is the older 2.1kHz. If you have an older K2 (below SN2560) it is likely that you should replace the KSB2 filter crystals unless that has already been upgraded. Careful alignment of the OP1 filter passband is also necessary for proper SSB audio response. Use Specrtogram and set markers at 300 and 2600 Hz - center the passband between those two markers. (if you have the 2.1kHz filter width, use 300 and 2300 Hz markers instead). 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2014 10:58 AM, Tim Edmonson wrote: > I have a k2 and the original elecraft mic. I want to use it on 75 meters and rag chew a little during the winter months. > > Where should the mic setting and compression setting be to produce audio that is pleasant to listen too... > > I'm not interested at all in sounding like a broadcaster or trying to tailor my audio to every individuals liking. > > But- I do get told often that it sounds a little "pinched" up. > > I do run my k2/100 into an amp. > > From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Fri Dec 5 12:14:19 2014 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:14:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK TX Filter In-Reply-To: <54810A2E.7020802@gmail.com> References: <54809CD6.3090108@verizon.net> <5480A5F7.5010108@subich.com> <5480F9B4.4080406@david-woolley.me.uk> <54810A2E.7020802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5481E7EB.10103@david-woolley.me.uk> Bottom quote below: > In the case of the K3, the FSK mode uses DSP-generated IF frequencies in > the 15 kHz range for the Tx, and simultaneously creates audio tones at 15kHz is audio frequency. > In AFSK mode, the radio requires that you supply audio to a Mic > connector or the Line In connector. The AFSK Tx filter may optionally That audio is really an IF of about 1kHz. The same probably applies to the KX3. The actual difference here isn't between audio and non-audio, it is between pure real and complex. The algorithm that generates the IF level FSK signal within the DSP has access to both I and Q channels, so the image can be phased out when upconverting. Although the PC may well use almost the same algorithm, it only has access to the I channel, which means that the DSP has to do what it does with audio, either generate the Q channel, using a Hilbert transform or equivalent, or filter out the image. (Interestingly, whilst there is a big demand for I and Q outputs, there doesn't seem to be a corresponding one for I and Q inputs, although that is what one wants for efficient processing of data modes.) -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 05/12/14 01:28, Lyle Johnson wrote: > In the case of the K3, the FSK mode uses DSP-generated IF frequencies in > the 15 kHz range for the Tx, and simultaneously creates audio tones at > the selected pitch-pair. > > In AFSK mode, the radio requires that you supply audio to a Mic > connector or the Line In connector. The AFSK Tx filter may optionally > be employed, but its use is not required and with later versions of DSP > code is probably of marginal utility. > > In the case of the KX3, the tones are generated at baseband. > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P (who emphatically agrees these products are SDRs > >> On 04/12/14 18:20, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> The K3 does not generate AFSK internally. AFSK is only transmitted >>> in response to external audio. >> >> But that is exactly how SDR architecture transmitters do generate FSK. >> The only difference from what is popularly called AFSK is that the >> tone starts as digital sine waves. >> >> The ones may be a bit higher pitch than one normally expects from >> AFSK, but they are still audio tones. >> >> (As the K3 uses an I/Q structure, you could, theoretically, generate >> the two tones as positive and negative tones at the same frequency, >> but the problems with handling the DC crossover means that it is >> unlikely that anyone would do that.) >> >> In case it is not clear, I consider both the K3 and KX3 to be SDR >> designs. >> > > From dmoes at nexicom.net Fri Dec 5 12:50:07 2014 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:50:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> Some time ago, Wayne asked about what new features such as SSTV could be integrated into the P3 the SSTV part seemed to be low on most users here on the reflector But since Wayne had asked the original question and got some excellent suggestions such as the sensor etc I am going to assume his question was intended for information gathering for work in progress this will take time I am hoping I am correct on this assumption and that the much anticipated development of added and improved features is now in progress. I love my P3 before I got it it was on the "it would be nice but not essential" list but for S&P in a contest or hunting DX it has been a wonderfull tool and therefore has now been upgraded to an essential piece of my station. Any improvement would be icing on a superb cake, and I love icing! David Moes VE3SD On 12/5/2014 08:45, ANDY NEHAN wrote: > As is its a real useful item I would NOT be without BUT it could be better and the external sensor and the corresponding ability to monitor ones signals would be a great asset. > I follow the N8LP site and I note beta copies of the LP500 are soon to be shipped - must say it looks very tasty (probably far more capability than most people need and more than the P3 could deliver). > It would however be nice to know if the P3 was going to be enhanced sometime in the not too distant future before folks get bored waiting and just buy the LP500 (not going to be cheap!!). > Andy G4HUE > K3 sn6990 > P3 sn 2493 > KAT500 sn 1245 > KPA500 sn 2102 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > From K2TK at ptd.net Fri Dec 5 13:06:59 2014 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481D384.9070402@socal.rr.com> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481D384.9070402@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5481F443.3050003@ptd.net> Hi Phil, To many, including myself, it is unfinished. There were lots of hints and teases about a TX monitoring addition that has not materialized. That was a consideration in the original purchase. My Heath SB610 is long past retirement age. I'll try to be in 1st shipment group when and if it does become a product. I can agree, it with the SVGA module is a fine product. as is. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 12/5/2014 10:47 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > P3 is a fine product as it is -- hardly "unfinished" as you more than suggest. > If you need more than it offers, you have found other option. > > 73, Phil W7OX > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Dec 5 13:15:04 2014 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:15:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Okay, I haven't been licensed as long as some of you, but I'm still eligible for QCWA membership with a fair margin. What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? Who adds capabilities after the radio is sold, without selling them as an "upgrade kit?" My ICOM, Yaesu and Kenwood radios have all had a set of features the day I bought them, and that was it. 73 -- WB6UUT On 12/5/2014 9:50 AM, david Moes wrote: > Some time ago, Wayne asked about what new features such as SSTV could > be integrated into the P3 the SSTV part seemed to be low on most > users here on the reflector But since Wayne had asked the original > question and got some excellent suggestions such as the sensor etc I > am going to assume his question was intended for information gathering > for work in progress this will take time I am hoping I am correct on > this assumption and that the much anticipated development of added and > improved features is now in progress. I love my P3 before I got > it it was on the "it would be nice but not essential" list but for S&P > in a contest or hunting DX it has been a wonderfull tool and therefore > has now been upgraded to an essential piece of my station. Any > improvement would be icing on a superb cake, and I love icing! > > David Moes > VE3SD From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Dec 5 13:41:01 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:41:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Some previously discussed P3 enhancements are well under way. All firmware upgrades will continue to be free. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:15 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: > Okay, I haven't been licensed as long as some of you, but I'm still eligible for QCWA membership with a fair margin. > > What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? Who adds capabilities after the radio is sold, without selling them as an "upgrade kit?" > > My ICOM, Yaesu and Kenwood radios have all had a set of features the day I bought them, and that was it. > > 73 -- WB6UUT From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Dec 5 13:41:26 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> YAESU 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 5 14:07:17 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:07:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Windoze 8.1 and utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <749448966.72329.1417806437753.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100148.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sounds like you are running the install program and not the utility From: Gary Gregory To: Elecraft List Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 5:32 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Windoze 8.1 and utilities Ok. Dumb question. Instsalled utilities and when i open each one it reinstalls it and adds another icon to the desktop. Any 8.1 folks know what i did wrong? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Dec 5 14:10:00 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:10:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and QSK In-Reply-To: <5481B1E9.7090901@nc.rr.com> References: <001f01d00fc5$5e9e48f0$1bdadad0$@windstream.net> <54807701.8070508@subich.com> <548187A2.8030508@g3tct.co.uk> <5481B1E9.7090901@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Working on it. W On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:23 AM, briana wrote: > I always use QSK (not QRQ version) on the K3. At some times it is absolutely wonderful, at others there are all kinds of thumps and clicks. From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Dec 5 14:22:16 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:22:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Voice Monitor (MON) In-Reply-To: <546C9E73.3050107@gmail.com> References: <48EC1408-5026-4573-B533-EFC58254C81F@me.com> <546C9E73.3050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AA65674-EB62-44B6-9CDA-9C9B0A1A8CBF@wunderwood.org> On Nov 19, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > Note that the KX3 has a great tool for adjusting Tx EQ and CMP. Record your voice using the DVR, then play it back using MON. Adjust Tx EQ and CMP and play back the sample and you will be able to hear what your signal will sound like to the other station. Doing this "live" with a microphone is not nearly as effective due to bone conduction of your voice to your ears. > > Lyle KK7P This is a great trick! I spent about 10 minutes with it this morning and found the sweet spot for my voice. I could try alternatives in the two record buffers and easily A/B them, then pick the winner, and try a new combination. I chose the TX EQ suggested by K9YC with compression set at 10. Compression above 10 gave increasing levels of ?fry? distortion. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Dec 5 14:25:03 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> References: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5482068F.7030109@nycap.rr.com> I must be simple - as the P3 satisfies my needs and operates as advertised. Operating as advertised is important - many rigs cannot really do that (watch the wording in the advertising as a gotcha). Of course a few enhancements - such as a turkey roasting timer, remote lawn mower control, and drink mixer would be great! Bill W2BLC K-Line From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 5 14:28:38 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> References: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <217502513.3518158.1417807718920.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100181.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> FlexRadio & TenTec also provide free updates.In today's market it's not uncommon to provide free updates to a product you sell. That being said I also would like to see the sensor board etc made available for the P3.I'm a little disappointed that the P3 development seems to have been stagnant for a while now. From: Richard Solomon To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product YAESU 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 5 15:47:15 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:47:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuning In-Reply-To: <6ea50.4af16cf8.41b33efa@aol.com> References: <6ea50.4af16cf8.41b33efa@aol.com> Message-ID: <548219D3.5010007@foothill.net> Ummmm ... maybe I misunderstand you, or you know something I don't know, but why do you switch the KPA500 to standby before initiating a tune cycle on the KAT500? I set the K3 tune power such that I get 25 W from the KPA500, and tune with the KPA in Operate all the time. My KAT500 seems to like about 25 W, 20 W is kind of right on the edge. I "trained" my KAT500 when everything was dry, and I run in MAN, so it just recalls the settings when I QSY. This works for the tribander and a GAP Titan vertical. My low band sloping V has a matching section made from window line which is affected when it is wet, so I need to retune. I just tap TUNE on the KAT, hold TUNE on the K3, let it tune, and then tap TUNE again on the K3. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/5/2014 9:01 AM, George via Elecraft wrote: > Occasionally when operating with the KPA500, I need to retune the KAT500. > So, I must switch the KPA into Standby, and the retune the KAT. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 5 16:14:04 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:14:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates based on customer input? I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests. Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond what is reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: > YAESU > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > wrote: >> What company, besides Elecraft, provides >> firmware updates for free? From aldermant at windstream.net Fri Dec 5 16:55:03 2014 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:55:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates based on customer input? I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests. Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond what is reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-) [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three years and still have very poor full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump on the reflector and mention 'we are working on it'! Tom - W4BQF 73, Phil W7OX On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: > YAESU > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > wrote: >> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 5 17:28:10 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481F443.3050003@ptd.net> References: <5481F443.3050003@ptd.net> Message-ID: <453992480.1358929.1417818490950.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10753.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> While some of the suggestions have merit, I beg to differ with the thought the product is unfinished.? During the development stage of any product there is a point where the product satisfies the original design requirements and is released to production.? This is not a end of the road of development, just a point in time where the original design requirements have been met. With many manufacturers, there is NO further development of that model.? Yes, the newer manufacturers offerings offer SW upgrades, but not major shifts is design.? Refinements to be sure as are offered by Elecraft. The major issue here is, NONE of the off shore manufacturers will offer the direct design interface with the customer, Elecraft does........? I like to think of the comments that address a wish list are a very good platform for Elecraft to see what the customers would like to see in their products. ? This should not be a platform to condemn them for open ended option issues.? Come on Guys.? It is a business to make money.? Let's not sore the brew.? IMHO Mel, K6KBE From: Bob To: Phil Wheeler ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product Hi Phil, ? ? ? ? ? ? To many, including myself, it is unfinished.? There were lots of hints and teases about a TX monitoring addition that has not materialized.? That was a consideration in the original purchase. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? My Heath SB610 is long past retirement age.? I'll try to be in 1st shipment group when and if it does become a product.? I can agree, it with the SVGA module is a fine product. as is. 73, Bob K2TK? ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 12/5/2014 10:47 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > P3 is a fine product as it is -- hardly "unfinished" as you more than suggest. > If you need more than it offers, you have found other option. > > 73, Phil W7OX > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Fri Dec 5 17:42:59 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:42:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product Message-ID: Well said Mel Harlan NC3C Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone null From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Dec 5 18:17:51 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> Same answer ... YAESU 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/5/2014 2:55 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil > Wheeler > Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product > > > > A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates > based on customer input? > > > > I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if > > any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests. > > > > Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though > I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond what is > reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-) > > > > [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three years and still have very poor > full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump on the reflector and mention > 'we are working on it'! > > Tom - W4BQF > > > > > > 73, Phil W7OX > > > > On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: > >> YAESU >> 73, Dick, W1KSZ >> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT >> wrote: >>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From lists at subich.com Fri Dec 5 18:26:15 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:26:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54823F17.9080504@subich.com> > Same answer ... YAESU Really? Since when? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-05 6:17 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > Same answer ... YAESU > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 12/5/2014 2:55 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Phil >> Wheeler >> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product >> >> >> A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates >> based on customer input? >> >> >> I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if >> >> any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests. >> >> >> Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though >> I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond >> what is >> reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-) >> >> >> [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three years and still have very >> poor >> full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump on the reflector and >> mention >> 'we are working on it'! >> >> Tom - W4BQF >> >> >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> >> On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: >> >>> YAESU >>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ >>> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT >>> wrote: >>>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> >> Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> aldermant at windstream.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From sdsmithbiz at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 18:32:44 2014 From: sdsmithbiz at gmail.com (WD4SDC) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:32:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning and channel hopping question... Message-ID: <1417822364732-7595522.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi All, I've been gathering information on the scanning feature of the KX3 (not an owner......yet - VERY tempting). I have the basics - VFO scan, channel hopping, live scan, muted scan, the rules for channel hopping. I found this: "Scanning while muted (normal scanning mode) allows the K3 to ignore stable carriers, unmuting only when "interesting" signals are found." ...from the K3 manual - which appears to be a close DSP cousin to the KX3, and I've also found some scattered bits about the KX3 that refers to stopping when a "modulated signal" is found. So, what exactly triggers a stop scan? It seems to be a bit more sophisticated then just an S meter threshold - maybe using the AFV measurement?. Is the scan signal detection done after signal processing like noise blanking, noise reduction, notch, etc? That would make it REALLY good at scanning HF ! After scan stops on a signal, does it pause until the signal stops, or does it continue after some fixed time? What is the scan (hopping) rate. I see that in VFO scan you can make it effectively slow or fast by changing the increment step - , but in channel hop, the "increment" is one hop - just not clear on the hops per second. And finally....how does the scanning stop/resume sequence work? When a signal is detected, the scanning pauses for some interval, then resumes when the signal stops? Or after a time interval if the signal is still there it continues scanning until it hits the active channel again? I know these are very narrow questions about a radio that has a LOT of capabilities, and maybe I'm the only guy that wants to know this....but at least if I ask it here, then the one other person that may be looking will find it here;) I've used (channel) scanning on HF quite a bit. Very useful now that VFOs are rock solid and tune in milliseconds. Thanks to all on the site for LOTS of other very useful questions/answers/ideas. Steve WD4SDC -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Scanning-and-channel-hopping-question-tp7595522.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Dec 5 19:50:14 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:50:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning and channel hopping question... In-Reply-To: <1417822364732-7595522.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1417822364732-7595522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > "Scanning while muted (normal scanning mode) > allows the K3 to ignore stable carriers, unmuting > only when "interesting" signals are found." If the signal appears to be an unmodulated carrier, i.e. with little amplitude variation over a period of about 1 second, then it is skipped. Noise can fool the algorithm sometimes, of course. There's actually a variable in the source code called "scanWorthy" that accrues intel about the signal :) > ...from the K3 manual - which appears to be a close DSP cousin to the KX3, > and I've also found some scattered bits about the KX3 that refers to > stopping when a "modulated signal" is found. So, what exactly triggers a > stop scan? It stops on any signal with a certain S+N/N ratio, then evaluates it as described above. > Is the scan signal detection > done after signal processing like noise blanking, noise reduction, notch, > etc? That would make it REALLY good at scanning HF ! Yes and yes. It's really useful for discovering signals on a "dead" band (they seldom are truly dead, you will discover). > After scan stops on a signal, does it pause until the signal stops, or does > it continue after some fixed time? The latter. If the signal is "interesting" it will unmute the receiver and pause a lot longer. > I see that in VFO scan you can make it > effectively slow or fast by changing the increment step - , but in channel > hop, the "increment" is one hop - just not clear on the hops per second. I believe it's two hops per second if you use "live scan" (continuous, and unmuted) and 5 hops per second with regular scanning/hopping (muted). > And finally....how does the scanning stop/resume sequence work? > When a signal is detected, the scanning pauses for some interval, then > resumes when the signal stops? Or after a time interval if the signal is > still there it continues scanning until it hits the active channel again? All of the above. It's not using AI or anything -- just simple rules -- and it will produce consistent results most of the time. > I've used (channel) scanning on HF quite a bit. Very useful > now that VFOs are rock solid and tune in milliseconds. As the guy who wrote the firmware, I'm happy to find that someone else finds it useful, *and* is curious about how it works. Thanks. The K2 has the same scanning feature, by the way. Wayne N6KR From w0cz at i29.net Fri Dec 5 20:35:39 2014 From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth A Christiansen) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:35:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have one feature I would like to see on the P3. I would like the demodulated digital text to appear on the bottom of the P3 as it does on the PX3. I use that feature often on my PX3. It should be able to be done similar to the PX3 as the text is already sent from the K3 to the P3. Thank for all the other great features. I would hate to try to be a HF ham without the P3 and or PX3 in my station. 73 Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > > YAESU > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > >> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wocz at i29.net From w0sz at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 20:40:22 2014 From: w0sz at comcast.net (W0SZ) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:40:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate Message-ID: Well interesting discussion. I live in the city and have considerable noise on the bands and a noise blanker update to the SVGA would be very helpful. Being able to scroll up and down the monitor like MMTTY with a time stamp would make the P3 much more useful for digital modes. Being able to monitor output signal would be awesome. There were a lot of promises made for the P3 in the past and I'm hopeful that Elecraft will be able to complete the project. It's always a good idea to improve a product and Elecraft has been good about that in the past. If Elecraft could improve the functionality of the P3 I would for one be willing to pay for the update. 73 From mcduffie at ag0n.net Fri Dec 5 21:13:51 2014 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:13:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuning In-Reply-To: <6ea50.4af16cf8.41b33efa@aol.com> References: <6ea50.4af16cf8.41b33efa@aol.com> Message-ID: <64p48alai6godr5dj7ma3i2grnmrnjem8i@4ax.com> On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:01:46 -0500, George via Elecraft wrote: > Is there a procedure for this, or could a macro be built to do this? Or > could this be incorporated into a firmware upgrade? IIRC: I don't have a K3, but do have the KAT and KPA. Mine drops the amp when tuning and brings it back when done. I don't know the ins and outs of using the combination with the Elecraft XCVR. I use a TS-590S with the amp keying running through the tuner as instructed. Gary From plambert at qa.com.au Fri Dec 5 22:29:23 2014 From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:29:23 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Quirk in KX3 memory recall Message-ID: <009501d01104$d53954b0$7fabfe10$@qa.com.au> I recently fitted the 2m module and have just programmed the KX3 with the local 2m repeater frequencies. The module works brilliantly and a good 4W out. Audio quality is very good both RX and TX. Nice addition that finishes off everything I'd want in the KX3. Noticed one really minor thing for the todo list. If you press RCL and then rotate VFO knob to select a memory, then "press any key to exit", the TX/RX frequencies and tones etc are loaded normally. However if you press RCL the previously selected memory is displayed, if you then press any key the TX/RX frequencies are not loaded. You have to rotate the VFO A knob to select a memory that is different than the one you selected previously. Very minor in that in normal use you'd probably never notice this. I'm fiddling and just went to recall the same memory that I'd recalled previously. Cheers, Peter VK4JD From k4to.dave at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 22:49:54 2014 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND DIGITAL INTERFACE QUESTION Message-ID: I have had my KX3 for just over a year now, and love it. I am wanting to try some of the digital modes using a computer and a third party software package. I already use a logging program which controls the KX3. I also have a Softrock SDR receiver and use HDSDR to look at the spectrum. I tell you all of this to establish that I am not a total newcomer to the concept of computer/radio operation. But when it comes to digital modes, I?m looking for some advice. Since I already use the internal sound card, I believe I will need an external interface with its own sound card. The third party software would then select the external interface to look at for its display. At this point I have two questions: 1) Since the computer can open several windows at at time, can I look at the SDR in one window and run the KX3 on digital modes in another? I should mention that the SDR is fed by another radio. 2) which interface with its own sound card would you recommend? Thanks. I?m looking forward to being involved with this group. 73, Dave, K4TO From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 5 22:55:04 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 20:55:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> Message-ID: I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate success is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several loaners around that aren't worth very much on the used market but serve very well as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have gone to young men with an interest that eventually led to getting licensed. (Both now Extras). On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be able to erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... 73, Doug -- K0DXV On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler wrote: > There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. In my > opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class > operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I doubt > that > I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable operation > .. > That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far the > best > portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and I use > them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the time. > But > let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget limits, > and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a > loaded > KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 plus > tax > and shipping, and that's without a power supply. > > We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any > station, > and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always > outperform > a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some will > disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment and > success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. > He'll be > able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not happen when > he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know the > saying > .. "life is too short ...") > > There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . some > for > as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from there. > Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a beginner > simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 TS-520S > (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once in > awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 watt > signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a > beginner > buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a good > station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, K3 or > another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the line, > but > by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really wants, > and > the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. > > Don, N5LZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Edward > R Cole > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? > > Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or General > License). > > It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work quite > well > when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you have > 2m > at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or > digital > modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of operating. > > First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band > considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a Mirage > 125w > 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The whole lot > can go mobile. > > The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the > capabilities > to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware > improvements > and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality and > performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already had a > K3, > the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. > > Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a week from > tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to n5lz at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From n0sa at att.net Fri Dec 5 23:08:39 2014 From: n0sa at att.net (N0SA) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:08:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1417838919342-7595530.post@n2.nabble.com> I too would love to see the decoded text on the screen like the PX3 does. I really like this feature on the PX3. That is my only wish. Maybe for Christmas Hi Hi!! Larry n0sa -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-unfinished-product-tp7595499p7595530.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 5 23:53:36 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:53:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> There is a big difference between "That could possibly be done" and "Yes, we will include it at some later time" and "We have committed resources to bring it into production in a timely manner". AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. The fact that added functions have been mentioned on this reflector, but have not made it into the product advertizements and specifications does not mean that the P3 is "incomplete". Anyone who purchased a P3 based on anything in excess of the functions advertized at the time of purchase should not be disappointed when additional functions are talked about but are not yet reality. A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as making the K3 internal keyer "incomplete" - only that other things need attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request for Ultimatic keying. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2014 8:40 PM, W0SZ wrote: > Well interesting discussion. I live in the city and have considerable noise on the bands and a noise blanker update to the SVGA would be very helpful. Being able to scroll up and down the monitor like MMTTY with a time stamp would make the P3 much more useful for digital modes. Being able to monitor output signal would be awesome. There were a lot of promises made for the P3 in the past and I'm hopeful that Elecraft will be able to complete the project. It's always a good idea to improve a product and Elecraft has been good about that in the past. If Elecraft could improve the functionality of the P3 I would for one be willing to pay for the update. 73 > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 00:02:37 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 21:02:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54828DED.70705@socal.rr.com> Never in my experience, and i've had a fair number of their transceivers over the years. Phil W7OX On 12/5/14 3:17 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > Same answer ... YAESU > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 12/5/2014 2:55 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On >> Behalf Of Phil >> Wheeler >> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product >> >> >> A better question might be what other company >> provides firmware updates >> based on customer input? >> >> >> I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if >> >> any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any >> user/customer requests. >> >> >> Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our >> requests and wishes -- though >> I'm sure some of our important requests (a >> drink mixer?) go beyond what is >> reasonable to achieve within the constraints of >> the hardware :-) >> >> >> [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three >> years and still have very poor >> full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump >> on the reflector and mention >> 'we are working on it'! >> >> Tom - W4BQF >> >> >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> >> On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: >> >>> YAESU >>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ >>> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT >>> wrote: >>>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides >>>> firmware updates for free? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ From ky7k at cox.net Sat Dec 6 00:18:40 2014 From: ky7k at cox.net (ky7k) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BA36295-89AF-4FF0-BD12-8DAAA5ED0354@cox.net> I?ll throw in my request for Ultimatic mode too! Lest the Elecraft folks run out of things to do? :) > On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > There is a big difference between "That could possibly be done" and "Yes, we will include it at some later time" and "We have committed resources to bring it into production in a timely manner". > > AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. > > The fact that added functions have been mentioned on this reflector, but have not made it into the product advertizements and specifications does not mean that the P3 is "incomplete". > > Anyone who purchased a P3 based on anything in excess of the functions advertized at the time of purchase should not be disappointed when additional functions are talked about but are not yet reality. > > A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as making the K3 internal keyer "incomplete" - only that other things need attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request for Ultimatic keying. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio! From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 6 00:47:30 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:47:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> Message-ID: <54829872.9040305@embarqmail.com> Yes, simple is better, but if that new ham is interested in having a top-notch station, he will be well advised to consider Elecraft gear. If for no other reason than the Elecraft gear is upgradable -- one does not have to buy the "whole ball of wax" at the initial purchase time, it can be upgrades as operating needs arise. My typical response to new hams is that they do not yet know what they will want for whatever type of operation they might eventually become interested in, so yes, they should get some operating experience under their belts before deciding on which rig they would want for their station. That can be simply a borrowed transceiver to get that new ham on the air. However, if the new ham does not have locals who will loan him transceivers to "get on the air", the KX3 offers a great receiver, and a limited number of options, which I believe will serve the novice operator well for a very long time. The only question is "do you want higher than 15 watts power"? If yes, then the KXPA100 is available and if you do not have resonant antennas, the KXAT100 is a good wide range auto tuner. The K3 is also a good choice for beginning hams. Many get hung up on what filters to purchase with the K3, but my recommendation to the new ham is to purchase no optional filters - the DSP provides gppd filtering except in crowded band conditions such a contests and extreme DXing. As operating experience is gained, that new ham who has now been seasoned may want additional filters, and they are easily added to the K3. Likewise the SubRX may be useful in some operating scenarios, but the new ham would not know the advantages provided by the SubRX until he "gets his feet wet". The price of a basic K3 or a basic KX3 is within the realm of other high end transceivers on the market (and in fact may be priced less than many other comparable transceivers). Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend a basic K3 or KX3 to any new ham. He will have a great receiver, and the options offered by Elecraft can allow that new ham to customize his station by adding options as his needs and operating experiences dictate. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2014 10:55 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't > consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate > success is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several > loaners around that aren't worth very much on the used market but > serve very well as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have > gone to young men with an interest that eventually led to getting > licensed. (Both now Extras). > > On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an > opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be able > to erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. > > Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler wrote: > >> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. In my >> opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class >> operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I >> doubt that >> I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable >> operation .. >> That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far the >> best >> portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and I >> use >> them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the >> time. But >> let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget >> limits, >> and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a >> loaded >> KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 >> plus tax >> and shipping, and that's without a power supply. >> >> We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any >> station, >> and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always >> outperform >> a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some will >> disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment and >> success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. >> He'll be >> able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not happen >> when >> he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know the >> saying >> .. "life is too short ...") >> >> There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . >> some for >> as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from there. >> Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a beginner >> simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 TS-520S >> (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once in >> awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 watt >> signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a >> beginner >> buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a good >> station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, K3 or >> another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the >> line, but >> by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really >> wants, and >> the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. >> >> Don, N5LZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Edward >> R Cole >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? >> >> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or General >> License). >> >> It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work quite >> well >> when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you >> have 2m >> at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or >> digital >> modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of operating. >> >> First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band >> considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a >> Mirage 125w >> 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The whole >> lot >> can go mobile. >> >> The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the >> capabilities >> to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware >> improvements >> and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality and >> performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already had >> a K3, >> the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. >> >> Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a week >> from >> tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> http://www.kl7uw.com >> "Kits made by KL7UW" >> Dubus Mag business: >> dubususa at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to n5lz at comcast.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 00:50:39 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:50:39 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND DIGITAL INTERFACE QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59321D11-9004-482D-913B-6BF15B6D2AAC@gmail.com> 1) yes you can run SDR in one windows and a digimode program like FLdigi for your KX3 in another. 2) pretty much any USB soundcard/dongle will work for basic digimodes. However, if you want to get something that can also be used for SDR (eg. Using the KX3 I/Q "SDR" output), then you'll need a stereo soundcard with a reasonable sample rate. Something like this will work well: http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Labs-Blaster-Surround-System/dp/B0017QQQAE 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 6 Dec 2014, at 2:49 pm, Dave Sublette wrote: > > I have had my KX3 for just over a year now, and love it. I am wanting to > try some of the digital modes using a computer and a third party software > package. I already use a logging program which controls the KX3. I also > have a Softrock SDR receiver and use HDSDR to look at the spectrum. I tell > you all of this to establish that I am not a total newcomer to the concept > of computer/radio operation. > > But when it comes to digital modes, I?m looking for some advice. Since I > already use the internal sound card, I believe I will need an external > interface with its own sound card. The third party software would then > select the external interface to look at for its display. > > At this point I have two questions: > > 1) Since the computer can open several windows at at time, can I look at > the SDR in one window and run the KX3 on digital modes in another? I > should mention that the SDR is fed by another radio. > > 2) which interface with its own sound card would you recommend? > > Thanks. I?m looking forward to being involved with this group. > > 73, > > Dave, K4TO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 02:29:13 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:29:13 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <54829872.9040305@embarqmail.com> References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> <54829872.9040305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don You should add that the K3 has been around for quite awhile now so it has proven not just its performance but adoption by many knowledgeable hams around the world and has also proven very reliable operating in less than ideal conditions....ask me how i know this....:-) No better advertisement than customer satisfaction i suppose....grin Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 06/12/2014 3:48 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > Yes, simple is better, but if that new ham is interested in having a > top-notch station, he will be well advised to consider Elecraft gear. If > for no other reason than the Elecraft gear is upgradable -- one does not > have to buy the "whole ball of wax" at the initial purchase time, it can be > upgrades as operating needs arise. > > My typical response to new hams is that they do not yet know what they > will want for whatever type of operation they might eventually become > interested in, so yes, they should get some operating experience under > their belts before deciding on which rig they would want for their > station. That can be simply a borrowed transceiver to get that new ham on > the air. > > However, if the new ham does not have locals who will loan him > transceivers to "get on the air", the KX3 offers a great receiver, and a > limited number of options, which I believe will serve the novice operator > well for a very long time. The only question is "do you want higher than > 15 watts power"? If yes, then the KXPA100 is available and if you do not > have resonant antennas, the KXAT100 is a good wide range auto tuner. > > The K3 is also a good choice for beginning hams. Many get hung up on what > filters to purchase with the K3, but my recommendation to the new ham is to > purchase no optional filters - the DSP provides gppd filtering except in > crowded band conditions such a contests and extreme DXing. As operating > experience is gained, that new ham who has now been seasoned may want > additional filters, and they are easily added to the K3. Likewise the > SubRX may be useful in some operating scenarios, but the new ham would not > know the advantages provided by the SubRX until he "gets his feet wet". > The price of a basic K3 or a basic KX3 is within the realm of other high > end transceivers on the market (and in fact may be priced less than many > other comparable transceivers). > > Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend a basic K3 or KX3 to any > new ham. He will have a great receiver, and the options offered by > Elecraft can allow that new ham to customize his station by adding options > as his needs and operating experiences dictate. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/5/2014 10:55 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > >> I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't >> consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate success >> is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several loaners >> around that aren't worth very much on the used market but serve very well >> as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have gone to young men with >> an interest that eventually led to getting licensed. (Both now Extras). >> >> On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an >> opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be able to >> erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. >> >> Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... >> >> 73, Doug -- K0DXV >> >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler wrote: >> >> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. In my >>> opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class >>> operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I doubt >>> that >>> I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable operation >>> .. >>> That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far the >>> best >>> portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and I use >>> them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the time. >>> But >>> let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget limits, >>> and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a >>> loaded >>> KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 plus >>> tax >>> and shipping, and that's without a power supply. >>> >>> We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any >>> station, >>> and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always >>> outperform >>> a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some will >>> disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment and >>> success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. >>> He'll be >>> able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not happen when >>> he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know the >>> saying >>> .. "life is too short ...") >>> >>> There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . some >>> for >>> as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from there. >>> Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a beginner >>> simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 TS-520S >>> (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once in >>> awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 watt >>> signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a >>> beginner >>> buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a good >>> station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, K3 or >>> another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the line, >>> but >>> by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really wants, >>> and >>> the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. >>> >>> Don, N5LZ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Edward >>> R Cole >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM >>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? >>> >>> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or General >>> License). >>> >>> It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work quite >>> well >>> when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you have >>> 2m >>> at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or >>> digital >>> modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of operating. >>> >>> First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band >>> considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a Mirage >>> 125w >>> 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The whole lot >>> can go mobile. >>> >>> The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the >>> capabilities >>> to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware >>> improvements >>> and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality and >>> performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already had a >>> K3, >>> the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. >>> >>> Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a week from >>> tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) >>> >>> 73, Ed - KL7UW >>> http://www.kl7uw.com >>> "Kits made by KL7UW" >>> Dubus Mag business: >>> dubususa at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message >>> delivered to n5lz at comcast.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >>> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From n5lz at comcast.net Sat Dec 6 02:33:13 2014 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:33:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> <54829872.9040305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d01126$e4bd3920$ae37ab60$@comcast.net> Don, I totally agree that a KX3 or K3 would be an excellent choice for any new licensee who can afford to spend $2000 to $4000 on his/her "first ever" radio. I absolutely love mine. But there are many "newbees" who simply cannot afford that luxury, and they need to know that there are suitable used transceivers available that are capable of providing all of the on-air enjoyment they need .. at about ONE TENTH of the new rig cost... which will likely allow them to invest more into their antenna system, which we all know is much more important than any transceiver. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:29 AM To: don at w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? Don You should add that the K3 has been around for quite awhile now so it has proven not just its performance but adoption by many knowledgeable hams around the world and has also proven very reliable operating in less than ideal conditions....ask me how i know this....:-) No better advertisement than customer satisfaction i suppose....grin Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 06/12/2014 3:48 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > Yes, simple is better, but if that new ham is interested in having a > top-notch station, he will be well advised to consider Elecraft gear. > If for no other reason than the Elecraft gear is upgradable -- one > does not have to buy the "whole ball of wax" at the initial purchase > time, it can be upgrades as operating needs arise. > > My typical response to new hams is that they do not yet know what they > will want for whatever type of operation they might eventually become > interested in, so yes, they should get some operating experience under > their belts before deciding on which rig they would want for their > station. That can be simply a borrowed transceiver to get that new > ham on the air. > > However, if the new ham does not have locals who will loan him > transceivers to "get on the air", the KX3 offers a great receiver, and > a limited number of options, which I believe will serve the novice > operator well for a very long time. The only question is "do you want > higher than > 15 watts power"? If yes, then the KXPA100 is available and if you do > not have resonant antennas, the KXAT100 is a good wide range auto tuner. > > The K3 is also a good choice for beginning hams. Many get hung up on > what filters to purchase with the K3, but my recommendation to the new > ham is to purchase no optional filters - the DSP provides gppd > filtering except in crowded band conditions such a contests and > extreme DXing. As operating experience is gained, that new ham who > has now been seasoned may want additional filters, and they are easily > added to the K3. Likewise the SubRX may be useful in some operating > scenarios, but the new ham would not know the advantages provided by the SubRX until he "gets his feet wet". > The price of a basic K3 or a basic KX3 is within the realm of other > high end transceivers on the market (and in fact may be priced less > than many other comparable transceivers). > > Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend a basic K3 or KX3 to > any new ham. He will have a great receiver, and the options offered > by Elecraft can allow that new ham to customize his station by adding > options as his needs and operating experiences dictate. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/5/2014 10:55 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > >> I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't >> consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate >> success is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several >> loaners around that aren't worth very much on the used market but >> serve very well as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have >> gone to young men with an interest that eventually led to getting licensed. (Both now Extras). >> >> On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an >> opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be >> able to erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. >> >> Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... >> >> 73, Doug -- K0DXV >> >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler wrote: >> >> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. In >> my >>> opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class >>> operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I doubt >>> that >>> I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable >>> operation .. >>> That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far >>> the best portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my >>> shack, and I use them when I'm operating there, which is the vast >>> majority of the time. >>> But >>> let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget >>> limits, and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the >>> cost of a loaded >>> KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 >>> plus tax and shipping, and that's without a power supply. >>> >>> We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any >>> station, and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will >>> always outperform a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones >>> wire antenna. Some will disagree, but I believe that a beginner will >>> obtain more enjoyment and success with a 100 watt transmitter versus >>> a 10 watt transmitter .. >>> He'll be >>> able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not happen >>> when he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you >>> know the saying .. "life is too short ...") >>> >>> There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . >>> some for as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up >>> from there. >>> Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a >>> beginner simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a >>> $200 TS-520S (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up >>> every once in awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can >>> distinguish its 130 watt signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. >>> I would suggest that a beginner buy something like that and use the >>> rest of his budget to build a good station and antenna system. He >>> will likely opt to buy a new KX3, K3 or another excellent top of the >>> line transceiver somewhere down the line, but by that time he'll >>> have a much better idea about what he really wants, and the >>> direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. >>> >>> Don, N5LZ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >>> Of Edward R Cole >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM >>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? >>> >>> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or >>> General License). >>> >>> It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work >>> quite well when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M >>> module and you have 2m at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But >>> both 6m and 2m SSB or digital modes can also be used which offers >>> increased diversity of operating. >>> >>> First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band >>> considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a >>> Mirage 125w 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can >>> drive. The whole lot can go mobile. >>> >>> The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the >>> capabilities to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. >>> Firmware improvements and additions preclude it becoming outdated >>> technology. Quality and performance it is hard to beat for the >>> bucks! Had I now already had a K3, the KX3 would probably be my >>> first purchase. >>> >>> Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a week >>> from tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) >>> >>> 73, Ed - KL7UW >>> http://www.kl7uw.com >>> "Kits made by KL7UW" >>> Dubus Mag business: >>> dubususa at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> n5lz at comcast.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> k0dxv at aol.com >>> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From k4to.dave at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 07:28:59 2014 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 07:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND DIGITAL INTERFACE QUESTION In-Reply-To: <59321D11-9004-482D-913B-6BF15B6D2AAC@gmail.com> References: <59321D11-9004-482D-913B-6BF15B6D2AAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Bill and Matt for their prompt and helpful replies. I should have mentioned that I think I need an external box type of sound card/interface, and preferably one that can use the I and Q outputs from the KX3. The reason is that I am already plugged into the audio jack on my computer with the output from the SDR. My computer is a MAC Mini, which has no means of accepting additional internal cards like the PC. BTW -- I'm really enjoying my MAC. It runs OS X 10 - Yosemite and also Windows7/64 bit. I have the Parallels10 program that runs both O/S's at the same time. I am able to run ham apps on Windows that I cannot fine for the MAC. 73 all, Dave, K4TO On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 12:50 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > 1) yes you can run SDR in one windows and a digimode program like FLdigi > for your KX3 in another. > > 2) pretty much any USB soundcard/dongle will work for basic digimodes. > However, if you want to get something that can also be used for SDR (eg. > Using the KX3 I/Q "SDR" output), then you'll need a stereo soundcard with a > reasonable sample rate. Something like this will work well: > http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Labs-Blaster-Surround-System/dp/B0017QQQAE > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > > > On 6 Dec 2014, at 2:49 pm, Dave Sublette wrote: > > > > I have had my KX3 for just over a year now, and love it. I am wanting to > > try some of the digital modes using a computer and a third party software > > package. I already use a logging program which controls the KX3. I also > > have a Softrock SDR receiver and use HDSDR to look at the spectrum. I > tell > > you all of this to establish that I am not a total newcomer to the > concept > > of computer/radio operation. > > > > But when it comes to digital modes, I?m looking for some advice. Since > I > > already use the internal sound card, I believe I will need an external > > interface with its own sound card. The third party software would then > > select the external interface to look at for its display. > > > > At this point I have two questions: > > > > 1) Since the computer can open several windows at at time, can I look at > > the SDR in one window and run the KX3 on digital modes in another? I > > should mention that the SDR is fed by another radio. > > > > 2) which interface with its own sound card would you recommend? > > > > Thanks. I?m looking forward to being involved with this group. > > > > 73, > > > > Dave, K4TO > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > From wb7sde at evross.com Sat Dec 6 07:57:55 2014 From: wb7sde at evross.com (Eric Ross) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 04:57:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <000301d00fdf$25887d50$709977f0$@net> <54829872.9040305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <02B84E1C-C1ED-42E9-A4C1-B4DD33C00895@evross.com> I think it's almost better to get a much cheaper older rig first. In my latest run as a ham I started with an old Kenwood TS140 for about $350. It worked fine for what it could do. It couldn't break apart pileups but it allowed me to make many QSOs. However, when I got my K3--wow! I don't think I could really appreciate the K3 unless I had first used a basic rig first. I still get a thrill when I narrow the bandpass down to 50hz. I still have the TS140 which is perfect for using in high risk environments and/or lending to the next new ham. Eric WB7SDE On December 5, 2014 11:29:13 PM PST, Gary Gregory wrote: >Don > >You should add that the K3 has been around for quite awhile now so it >has >proven not just its performance but adoption by many knowledgeable hams >around the world and has also proven very reliable operating in less >than >ideal conditions....ask me how i know this....:-) > >No better advertisement than customer satisfaction i suppose....grin >Gary >Vk1ZZ >K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >On 06/12/2014 3:48 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > >> Yes, simple is better, but if that new ham is interested in having a >> top-notch station, he will be well advised to consider Elecraft gear. > If >> for no other reason than the Elecraft gear is upgradable -- one does >not >> have to buy the "whole ball of wax" at the initial purchase time, it >can be >> upgrades as operating needs arise. >> >> My typical response to new hams is that they do not yet know what >they >> will want for whatever type of operation they might eventually become >> interested in, so yes, they should get some operating experience >under >> their belts before deciding on which rig they would want for their >> station. That can be simply a borrowed transceiver to get that new >ham on >> the air. >> >> However, if the new ham does not have locals who will loan him >> transceivers to "get on the air", the KX3 offers a great receiver, >and a >> limited number of options, which I believe will serve the novice >operator >> well for a very long time. The only question is "do you want higher >than >> 15 watts power"? If yes, then the KXPA100 is available and if you do >not >> have resonant antennas, the KXAT100 is a good wide range auto tuner. >> >> The K3 is also a good choice for beginning hams. Many get hung up on >what >> filters to purchase with the K3, but my recommendation to the new ham >is to >> purchase no optional filters - the DSP provides gppd filtering except >in >> crowded band conditions such a contests and extreme DXing. As >operating >> experience is gained, that new ham who has now been seasoned may want >> additional filters, and they are easily added to the K3. Likewise >the >> SubRX may be useful in some operating scenarios, but the new ham >would not >> know the advantages provided by the SubRX until he "gets his feet >wet". >> The price of a basic K3 or a basic KX3 is within the realm of other >high >> end transceivers on the market (and in fact may be priced less than >many >> other comparable transceivers). >> >> Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend a basic K3 or KX3 to >any >> new ham. He will have a great receiver, and the options offered by >> Elecraft can allow that new ham to customize his station by adding >options >> as his needs and operating experiences dictate. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 12/5/2014 10:55 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> >>> I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't >>> consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate >success >>> is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several >loaners >>> around that aren't worth very much on the used market but serve very >well >>> as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have gone to young >men with >>> an interest that eventually led to getting licensed. (Both now >Extras). >>> >>> On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an >>> opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be >able to >>> erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. >>> >>> Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... >>> >>> 73, Doug -- K0DXV >>> >>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler >wrote: >>> >>> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. >In my >>>> opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class >>>> operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I >doubt >>>> that >>>> I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable >operation >>>> .. >>>> That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far >the >>>> best >>>> portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and >I use >>>> them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the >time. >>>> But >>>> let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget >limits, >>>> and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a >>>> loaded >>>> KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 >plus >>>> tax >>>> and shipping, and that's without a power supply. >>>> >>>> We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any >>>> station, >>>> and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always >>>> outperform >>>> a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some >will >>>> disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment >and >>>> success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. >>>> He'll be >>>> able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not >happen when >>>> he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know >the >>>> saying >>>> .. "life is too short ...") >>>> >>>> There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . >some >>>> for >>>> as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from >there. >>>> Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a >beginner >>>> simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 >TS-520S >>>> (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once >in >>>> awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 >watt >>>> signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a >>>> beginner >>>> buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a >good >>>> station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, >K3 or >>>> another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the >line, >>>> but >>>> by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really >wants, >>>> and >>>> the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. >>>> >>>> Don, N5LZ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >Of >>>> Edward >>>> R Cole >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM >>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? >>>> >>>> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or >General >>>> License). >>>> >>>> It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work >quite >>>> well >>>> when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you >have >>>> 2m >>>> at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or >>>> digital >>>> modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of >operating. >>>> >>>> First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band >>>> considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a >Mirage >>>> 125w >>>> 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The >whole lot >>>> can go mobile. >>>> >>>> The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the >>>> capabilities >>>> to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware >>>> improvements >>>> and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality >and >>>> performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already >had a >>>> K3, >>>> the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. >>>> >>>> Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a >week from >>>> tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) >>>> >>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW >>>> http://www.kl7uw.com >>>> "Kits made by KL7UW" >>>> Dubus Mag business: >>>> dubususa at gmail.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message >>>> delivered to n5lz at comcast.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to wb7sde at evross.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Dec 6 09:03:40 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54830CBC.2050101@nycap.rr.com> Well said! Bill W2BLC K-Line From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Sat Dec 6 10:08:27 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:08:27 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <02B84E1C-C1ED-42E9-A4C1-B4DD33C00895@evross.com> References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <02B84E1C-C1ED-42E9-A4C1-B4DD33C00895@evross.com> Message-ID: <201412060908.27194.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> I agree that a less expensive rig may be a better way to go for a beginning ham. That being said, I'm surprised the option of a K2 hasn't been mentioned. It's a nice clean easy to use layout with an excellent RX in a compact package which can be obtained (especially used) without breaking the budget. 73, Al On Sat December 6 2014 6:57:55 am Eric Ross wrote: > I think it's almost better to get a much cheaper older rig first. In my > latest run as a ham I started with an old Kenwood TS140 for about $350. > It worked fine for what it could do. It couldn't break apart pileups but > it allowed me to make many QSOs. However, when I got my K3--wow! I don't > think I could really appreciate the K3 unless I had first used a basic rig > first. I still get a thrill when I narrow the bandpass down to 50hz. > > I still have the TS140 which is perfect for using in high risk environments > and/or lending to the next new ham. > > Eric > WB7SDE > > On December 5, 2014 11:29:13 PM PST, Gary Gregory wrote: > >Don > > > >You should add that the K3 has been around for quite awhile now so it > >has > >proven not just its performance but adoption by many knowledgeable hams > >around the world and has also proven very reliable operating in less > >than > >ideal conditions....ask me how i know this....:-) > > > >No better advertisement than customer satisfaction i suppose....grin > >Gary > >Vk1ZZ > >K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > > > >On 06/12/2014 3:48 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > >> Yes, simple is better, but if that new ham is interested in having a > >> top-notch station, he will be well advised to consider Elecraft gear. > > > > If > > > >> for no other reason than the Elecraft gear is upgradable -- one does > > > >not > > > >> have to buy the "whole ball of wax" at the initial purchase time, it > > > >can be > > > >> upgrades as operating needs arise. > >> > >> My typical response to new hams is that they do not yet know what > > > >they > > > >> will want for whatever type of operation they might eventually become > >> interested in, so yes, they should get some operating experience > > > >under > > > >> their belts before deciding on which rig they would want for their > >> station. That can be simply a borrowed transceiver to get that new > > > >ham on > > > >> the air. > >> > >> However, if the new ham does not have locals who will loan him > >> transceivers to "get on the air", the KX3 offers a great receiver, > > > >and a > > > >> limited number of options, which I believe will serve the novice > > > >operator > > > >> well for a very long time. The only question is "do you want higher > > > >than > > > >> 15 watts power"? If yes, then the KXPA100 is available and if you do > > > >not > > > >> have resonant antennas, the KXAT100 is a good wide range auto tuner. > >> > >> The K3 is also a good choice for beginning hams. Many get hung up on > > > >what > > > >> filters to purchase with the K3, but my recommendation to the new ham > > > >is to > > > >> purchase no optional filters - the DSP provides gppd filtering except > > > >in > > > >> crowded band conditions such a contests and extreme DXing. As > > > >operating > > > >> experience is gained, that new ham who has now been seasoned may want > >> additional filters, and they are easily added to the K3. Likewise > > > >the > > > >> SubRX may be useful in some operating scenarios, but the new ham > > > >would not > > > >> know the advantages provided by the SubRX until he "gets his feet > > > >wet". > > > >> The price of a basic K3 or a basic KX3 is within the realm of other > > > >high > > > >> end transceivers on the market (and in fact may be priced less than > > > >many > > > >> other comparable transceivers). > >> > >> Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend a basic K3 or KX3 to > > > >any > > > >> new ham. He will have a great receiver, and the options offered by > >> Elecraft can allow that new ham to customize his station by adding > > > >options > > > >> as his needs and operating experiences dictate. > >> > >> 73, > >> Don W3FPR > >> > >> On 12/5/2014 10:55 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > >>> I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't > >>> consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate > > > >success > > > >>> is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several > > > >loaners > > > >>> around that aren't worth very much on the used market but serve very > > > >well > > > >>> as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have gone to young > > > >men with > > > >>> an interest that eventually led to getting licensed. (Both now > > > >Extras). > > > >>> On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an > >>> opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be > > > >able to > > > >>> erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. > >>> > >>> Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... > >>> > >>> 73, Doug -- K0DXV > >>> > >>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler > > > >wrote: > >>> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. > > > >In my > > > >>>> opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class > >>>> operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I > > > >doubt > > > >>>> that > >>>> I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable > > > >operation > > > >>>> .. > >>>> That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far > > > >the > > > >>>> best > >>>> portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and > > > >I use > > > >>>> them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the > > > >time. > > > >>>> But > >>>> let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget > > > >limits, > > > >>>> and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a > >>>> loaded > >>>> KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 > > > >plus > > > >>>> tax > >>>> and shipping, and that's without a power supply. > >>>> > >>>> We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any > >>>> station, > >>>> and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always > >>>> outperform > >>>> a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some > > > >will > > > >>>> disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment > > > >and > > > >>>> success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. > >>>> He'll be > >>>> able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not > > > >happen when > > > >>>> he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know > > > >the > > > >>>> saying > >>>> .. "life is too short ...") > >>>> > >>>> There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . > > > >some > > > >>>> for > >>>> as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from > > > >there. > > > >>>> Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a > > > >beginner > > > >>>> simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 > > > >TS-520S > > > >>>> (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once > > > >in > > > >>>> awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 > > > >watt > > > >>>> signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a > >>>> beginner > >>>> buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a > > > >good > > > >>>> station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, > > > >K3 or > > > >>>> another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the > > > >line, > > > >>>> but > >>>> by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really > > > >wants, > > > >>>> and > >>>> the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. > >>>> > >>>> Don, N5LZ > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > > > >Of > > > >>>> Edward > >>>> R Cole > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM > >>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? > >>>> > >>>> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or > > > >General > > > >>>> License). > >>>> > >>>> It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work > > > >quite > > > >>>> well > >>>> when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you > > > >have > > > >>>> 2m > >>>> at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or > >>>> digital > >>>> modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of > > > >operating. > > > >>>> First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band > >>>> considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a > > > >Mirage > > > >>>> 125w > >>>> 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The > > > >whole lot > > > >>>> can go mobile. > >>>> > >>>> The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the > >>>> capabilities > >>>> to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware > >>>> improvements > >>>> and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality > > > >and > > > >>>> performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already > > > >had a > > > >>>> K3, > >>>> the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. > >>>> > >>>> Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a > > > >week from > > > >>>> tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) > >>>> > >>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW > >>>> http://www.kl7uw.com > >>>> "Kits made by KL7UW" > >>>> Dubus Mag business: > >>>> dubususa at gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> Message > >>>> delivered to n5lz at comcast.net > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to wb7sde at evross.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Dec 6 10:20:47 2014 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:20:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <54828DED.70705@socal.rr.com> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> <54828DED.70705@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54831ECF.6060105@mediacombb.net> I am continuously amazed by the amount of "stuff" people want to add to Elecraft products, in this case the P3, that are done BETTER and CHEAPER by other things. Want to monitor your output waveform...buy a used oscilloscope and spend $10 for the parts to build a sampler. Better yet buy one of the inexpensive dual channel 100MHz Rigol O-scopes for less than $400 and you've got an output monitor AND an O-scope. How about we just add an solid state drive and Intel i3 processor with appropriate motherboard with really good on board sound chip (oxymoron?) running Windows 10 to the P3 and you could replace your shack computer...kinda...sorta.... Of course the cost of all this convenience will triple or quadruple the price of the P3... Of course Elecraft would have to add a couple dozen personnel for the inevitable "help desk"...but it will have a real good "gee whiz" factor. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From gerry at w1ve.com Sat Dec 6 10:22:39 2014 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:22:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for used KAT3 Antenna tuner... Message-ID: Posting this for a friend of a friend in Poland, Might be an impossible find, but he is looking for a used KAT3 internal tuner if someone has one they wish to dispose of. You can contact Tony, N2UN, directly at tjjapha at earthlink.net 73, Gerry W1VE From nf4l at comcast.net Sat Dec 6 10:25:08 2014 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <201412060908.27194.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <201412032147.sB3LlLqk051712@denali.acsalaska.net> <02B84E1C-C1ED-42E9-A4C1-B4DD33C00895@evross.com> <201412060908.27194.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <876F598C-03E6-4163-8BE8-5730638AEB0E@comcast.net> I tend to try to save a few bux by buying used older gear. My XYL always tells me that's false economy because at some point I'll want newer/better and won't get much out of the dented scratched boat-anchors. She's SO wise. 73, Mike NF4L > On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Al Gulseth wrote: > > I agree that a less expensive rig may be a better way to go for a beginning > ham. That being said, I'm surprised the option of a K2 hasn't been mentioned. > It's a nice clean easy to use layout with an excellent RX in a compact > package which can be obtained (especially used) without breaking the budget. > > 73, Al > > On Sat December 6 2014 6:57:55 am Eric Ross wrote: >> I think it's almost better to get a much cheaper older rig first. In my >> latest run as a ham I started with an old Kenwood TS140 for about $350. >> It worked fine for what it could do. It couldn't break apart pileups but >> it allowed me to make many QSOs. However, when I got my K3--wow! I don't >> think I could really appreciate the K3 unless I had first used a basic rig >> first. I still get a thrill when I narrow the bandpass down to 50hz. >> >> I still have the TS140 which is perfect for using in high risk environments >> and/or lending to the next new ham. >> >> Eric >> WB7SDE >> >> On December 5, 2014 11:29:13 PM PST, Gary Gregory > wrote: >>> Don >>> >>> You should add that the K3 has been around for quite awhile now so it >>> has >>> proven not just its performance but adoption by many knowledgeable hams >>> around the world and has also proven very reliable operating in less >>> than >>> ideal conditions....ask me how i know this....:-) >>> >>> No better advertisement than customer satisfaction i suppose....grin >>> Gary >>> Vk1ZZ >>> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >>> >>> On 06/12/2014 3:48 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: >>>> Yes, simple is better, but if that new ham is interested in having a >>>> top-notch station, he will be well advised to consider Elecraft gear. >>> >>> If >>> >>>> for no other reason than the Elecraft gear is upgradable -- one does >>> >>> not >>> >>>> have to buy the "whole ball of wax" at the initial purchase time, it >>> >>> can be >>> >>>> upgrades as operating needs arise. >>>> >>>> My typical response to new hams is that they do not yet know what >>> >>> they >>> >>>> will want for whatever type of operation they might eventually become >>>> interested in, so yes, they should get some operating experience >>> >>> under >>> >>>> their belts before deciding on which rig they would want for their >>>> station. That can be simply a borrowed transceiver to get that new >>> >>> ham on >>> >>>> the air. >>>> >>>> However, if the new ham does not have locals who will loan him >>>> transceivers to "get on the air", the KX3 offers a great receiver, >>> >>> and a >>> >>>> limited number of options, which I believe will serve the novice >>> >>> operator >>> >>>> well for a very long time. The only question is "do you want higher >>> >>> than >>> >>>> 15 watts power"? If yes, then the KXPA100 is available and if you do >>> >>> not >>> >>>> have resonant antennas, the KXAT100 is a good wide range auto tuner. >>>> >>>> The K3 is also a good choice for beginning hams. Many get hung up on >>> >>> what >>> >>>> filters to purchase with the K3, but my recommendation to the new ham >>> >>> is to >>> >>>> purchase no optional filters - the DSP provides gppd filtering except >>> >>> in >>> >>>> crowded band conditions such a contests and extreme DXing. As >>> >>> operating >>> >>>> experience is gained, that new ham who has now been seasoned may want >>>> additional filters, and they are easily added to the K3. Likewise >>> >>> the >>> >>>> SubRX may be useful in some operating scenarios, but the new ham >>> >>> would not >>> >>>> know the advantages provided by the SubRX until he "gets his feet >>> >>> wet". >>> >>>> The price of a basic K3 or a basic KX3 is within the realm of other >>> >>> high >>> >>>> end transceivers on the market (and in fact may be priced less than >>> >>> many >>> >>>> other comparable transceivers). >>>> >>>> Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend a basic K3 or KX3 to >>> >>> any >>> >>>> new ham. He will have a great receiver, and the options offered by >>>> Elecraft can allow that new ham to customize his station by adding >>> >>> options >>> >>>> as his needs and operating experiences dictate. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 12/5/2014 10:55 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> I really have to agree. Simple is better to start with. I don't >>>>> consider the KX3 to be simple by any means. Having some immediate >>> >>> success >>> >>>>> is the best way to keep a new ham interested. I keep several >>> >>> loaners >>> >>>>> around that aren't worth very much on the used market but serve very >>> >>> well >>> >>>>> as starter rigs. At least twice those loaners have gone to young >>> >>> men with >>> >>>>> an interest that eventually led to getting licensed. (Both now >>> >>> Extras). >>> >>>>> On the other hand, if a new ham has an accessible Elmer and has an >>>>> opportunity for a short course in KX3 operating AND happens to be >>> >>> able to >>> >>>>> erect a decent antenna, it might indeed be a fine choice. >>>>> >>>>> Like a lot of things in life - it all depends... >>>>> >>>>> 73, Doug -- K0DXV >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:27:06 -0700, Don Butler >>> >>> wrote: >>>>> There seems to be unanimous agreement here, but I beg to differ. >>> >>> In my >>> >>>>>> opinion, the KX3 is not ideal for a typical beginning general class >>>>>> operator. I own a KX3 myself, and I think it's wonderful, and I >>> >>> doubt >>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> I will ever part with it. It shines when it comes to portable >>> >>> operation >>> >>>>>> .. >>>>>> That's why I bought it, that's what I use it for, and it's by far >>> >>> the >>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> portable rig I've ever owned. I also have two K3s in my shack, and >>> >>> I use >>> >>>>>> them when I'm operating there, which is the vast majority of the >>> >>> time. >>> >>>>>> But >>>>>> let's face it, most beginning hams are forced to deal with budget >>> >>> limits, >>> >>>>>> and a new KX3 is expensive. The last time I checked, the cost of a >>>>>> loaded >>>>>> KX3 with an outboard KXPA100 setup for HF only is well over $2300 >>> >>> plus >>> >>>>>> tax >>>>>> and shipping, and that's without a power supply. >>>>>> >>>>>> We know that the antenna system is the most important part of any >>>>>> station, >>>>>> and that an average transceiver with a great antenna will always >>>>>> outperform >>>>>> a state of the art transceiver with a bare bones wire antenna. Some >>> >>> will >>> >>>>>> disagree, but I believe that a beginner will obtain more enjoyment >>> >>> and >>> >>>>>> success with a 100 watt transmitter versus a 10 watt transmitter .. >>>>>> He'll be >>>>>> able to work most of the stations he can hear, which will not >>> >>> happen when >>> >>>>>> he's QRP. QRP operation can be very, very frustrating (you know >>> >>> the >>> >>>>>> saying >>>>>> .. "life is too short ...") >>>>>> >>>>>> There are many transceivers readily available on the used market . >>> >>> some >>> >>>>>> for >>>>>> as little as $200 to $300. and, of course, they go on up from >>> >>> there. >>> >>>>>> Forget about all of those high tech bench testing numbers.. a >>> >>> beginner >>> >>>>>> simply needs a transceiver that works! I happen to have a $200 >>> >>> TS-520S >>> >>>>>> (with internal power supply) in my shack that I fire up every once >>> >>> in >>> >>>>>> awhile. I really doubt that most listeners can distinguish its 130 >>> >>> watt >>> >>>>>> signal from that of my 100 watt KX3/KPA100. I would suggest that a >>>>>> beginner >>>>>> buy something like that and use the rest of his budget to build a >>> >>> good >>> >>>>>> station and antenna system. He will likely opt to buy a new KX3, >>> >>> K3 or >>> >>>>>> another excellent top of the line transceiver somewhere down the >>> >>> line, >>> >>>>>> but >>>>>> by that time he'll have a much better idea about what he really >>> >>> wants, >>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> the direction he wants to go in this wonderful hobby of ours. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don, N5LZ >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >>> >>> Of >>> >>>>>> Edward >>>>>> R Cole >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:47 PM >>>>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, I would say its a good choice for any new ham (Tech or >>> >>> General >>> >>>>>> License). >>>>>> >>>>>> It has both 10m and 6m for the Tech at 8w output which can work >>> >>> quite >>> >>>>>> well >>>>>> when bands are open, and locally if not. Add the 2M module and you >>> >>> have >>> >>>>>> 2m >>>>>> at 3w which will work nearby repeaters. But both 6m and 2m SSB or >>>>>> digital >>>>>> modes can also be used which offers increased diversity of >>> >>> operating. >>> >>>>>> First step to increase usability is get a good antenna for any band >>>>>> considered, then maybe an amplifier. I have a HB 140w HF amp, a >>> >>> Mirage >>> >>>>>> 125w >>>>>> 6m amp, and RFConcepts 35w 2m amp which the KX3 can drive. The >>> >>> whole lot >>> >>>>>> can go mobile. >>>>>> >>>>>> The good part is when you advance in ham radio the KX3 has the >>>>>> capabilities >>>>>> to advance with you, so its not just a starter rig. Firmware >>>>>> improvements >>>>>> and additions preclude it becoming outdated technology. Quality >>> >>> and >>> >>>>>> performance it is hard to beat for the bucks! Had I now already >>> >>> had a >>> >>>>>> K3, >>>>>> the KX3 would probably be my first purchase. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course I am not a new ham (56-years since I got my Novice: a >>> >>> week from >>> >>>>>> tomorrow). So its a good new radio for an old timer - too! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW >>>>>> http://www.kl7uw.com >>>>>> "Kits made by KL7UW" >>>>>> Dubus Mag business: >>>>>> dubususa at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message >>>>>> delivered to n5lz at comcast.net >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wb7sde at evross.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From dave at davesergeant.com Sat Dec 6 10:57:47 2014 From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:57:47 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAF2 faulty Message-ID: <5483277B.20051.2158502@dave.davesergeant.com> My KAF2 has been working fine in my K2 for some years, not that I actually use it that much. Today I came into the shack to find no audio coming out of the K2 and when I tried to change the AFIL settings it said 'not installed'. I cannot change the RTC menu settings either. I have moved S1 on the KAF2 to bypass it and all is working fine so it seems there is a fault on the KAF2. The manual suggests this is a fault with the microcontroller, which of course it may well be, but are there any other known causes? I did think of the backup battery but not sure if this would cause issues outside the RTC, it measures just over 3V so a bit down. 73 Dave G3YMC http://davesergeant.com From elecraft at g4fre.com Sat Dec 6 11:26:41 2014 From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:26:41 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 message length variation Message-ID: <000001d01171$6be43940$43acabc0$@com> Ever since it arrived, my 5k serial number K3 has had eight voice memories which start counting down from 9 seconds when recording Ever since it arrived, my wifes earlier 3k serial number K3 has had eight voice memories which start counting down from 14 seconds when recording Today I had a play with one of the locals K3 and it also started counting down from 14Seconds According to Freds book the memories should be 14 seconds long I looked in the 2012 k3dvr manual , the only mention of the 8 message length is "1. Messages may be at least 10 seconds long." Whatever that means when translated! There is no mention in the K3 manual of a config setting for KDVR3 message length (like my old kenwood had). The only setting is KVR3 present/absent How does one get the full 14S length on the 9S K3? (No, EEINIT does not do it; been there , done that) Dave G4FRE From beford at myfairpoint.net Sat Dec 6 11:31:24 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:31:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 message length variation Message-ID: <6415A942F34045679481ACBB7C7D4473@HPE250f> Early KDVR3 boards had a larger memory, hence longer message lengths, IIRC. I forget when they switched to the newer, smaller memories. Bruce, N1RX From droese at necg.de Sat Dec 6 12:05:09 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:05:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 message length variation In-Reply-To: <000001d01171$6be43940$43acabc0$@com> References: <000001d01171$6be43940$43acabc0$@com> Message-ID: <54833745.2070405@necg.de> Hi Dave, > I looked in the 2012 k3dvr manual , the only mention of the 8 message > length is "1. Messages may be at least 10 seconds long." Whatever > that means when translated! Exactly what is written there. ;-) 10 seconds guaranteed. If you see more, i.e. on older K3's, be happy, but no guarantee. > There is no mention in the K3 manual of a config setting for KDVR3 > message length (like my old kenwood had). That's because there is none. Message length is fixed at max. 10 seconds (or 15 on older units). If you use less, i.e. 6 seconds then only those 6 seconds are played. > How does one get the full 14S length on the 9S K3? (No, EEINIT does > not do it; been there , done that) Only by getting your hands onto an old KDVR3 module that still had the memory chips providing 15 seconds per memory. 73, Olli - DH8BQA -- Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de From rtkloe at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 12:12:18 2014 From: rtkloe at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:12:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning and channel hopping question... In-Reply-To: References: <1417822364732-7595522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have been a devoted reader of the Reflector and can say in one word my thoughts on Wayne's explanation: IMPRESSIVE. Makes me want to buy another K rig. The openness of explanation and willingness to hear the thoughts of others like us (some profound and some not so) on the Reflector is legendary. Hope that this company stays around forever so my grandson can have the chance to buy an Elecraft. Bob, NT6Y On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > "Scanning while muted (normal scanning mode) > > allows the K3 to ignore stable carriers, unmuting > > only when "interesting" signals are found." > > If the signal appears to be an unmodulated carrier, i.e. with little > amplitude variation over a period of about 1 second, then it is skipped. > Noise can fool the algorithm sometimes, of course. > > There's actually a variable in the source code called "scanWorthy" that > accrues intel about the signal :) > > > > ...from the K3 manual - which appears to be a close DSP cousin to the > KX3, > > and I've also found some scattered bits about the KX3 that refers to > > stopping when a "modulated signal" is found. So, what exactly triggers a > > stop scan? > > It stops on any signal with a certain S+N/N ratio, then evaluates it as > described above. > > > > Is the scan signal detection > > done after signal processing like noise blanking, noise reduction, notch, > > etc? That would make it REALLY good at scanning HF ! > > Yes and yes. It's really useful for discovering signals on a "dead" band > (they seldom are truly dead, you will discover). > > > > After scan stops on a signal, does it pause until the signal stops, or > does > > it continue after some fixed time? > > The latter. If the signal is "interesting" it will unmute the receiver and > pause a lot longer. > > > > I see that in VFO scan you can make it > > effectively slow or fast by changing the increment step - , but in > channel > > hop, the "increment" is one hop - just not clear on the hops per second. > > I believe it's two hops per second if you use "live scan" (continuous, and > unmuted) and 5 hops per second with regular scanning/hopping (muted). > > > > And finally....how does the scanning stop/resume sequence work? > > When a signal is detected, the scanning pauses for some interval, then > > resumes when the signal stops? Or after a time interval if the signal is > > still there it continues scanning until it hits the active channel again? > > All of the above. It's not using AI or anything -- just simple rules -- > and it will produce consistent results most of the time. > > > > I've used (channel) scanning on HF quite a bit. Very useful > > now that VFOs are rock solid and tune in milliseconds. > > As the guy who wrote the firmware, I'm happy to find that someone else > finds it useful, *and* is curious about how it works. Thanks. > > The K2 has the same scanning feature, by the way. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtkloe at gmail.com > From listmail at dl1ekc.de Sat Dec 6 12:39:34 2014 From: listmail at dl1ekc.de (Marcus Busch [DL1EKC]) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:39:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Issue with mounting KX3 RF board Rev D Message-ID: <54833F56.26741.2AED9C26@listmail.dl1ekc.de> Hi everybody, I'm just putting together my KX3 kit. While mounting the RF board Rev D to the bottom cover I zipped off one of the M-F standoffs using rather little force. As I usually have a good feeling which force may be used on these standoffs I started investigating things a bit. After removing the RF board I callipered the remaining gap after fully screwing in the M-F standoff into the round standoff at the bottom cover. The gap is 1.9 mm / 0.075 in. The RF board PCB has a thickness of 1.7 mm / 0.066 in. The lock washer was in place when measuring the gap (see photo). The pan head screw at the bottom cover has a length of 4.8 mm / 0.0177 in which matches the numbers in the instruction manual. Obviously it is not possible to securely mount the PCB to the bottom cover with the above dimensions. In my understanding those screw points are being used as grounding points so there should be a reliable electrical connection as well. Did anybody here also experience this issue? How did You solve this? I could use two split lock washers between PCB an M-F standoff, but this would change the distance between RF board and KXAT3 board and front panel. Or do I just have bad luck with tolerances? Any idea or hints are highly appreciated. VY 73 Marcus, DL1EKC PS: In case attachments are not allowed, go to http://www.dl1ekc.de/FTP%20Download/P1080449_640.jpg From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 6 12:52:52 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill OMara via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:52:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote K3 w K3 mini and remotehams CW sidetone Message-ID: <004b01d0117d$756ac4a0$60404de0$@AOL.COM> I'm looking for some help in my K3 Remote tie to a K3 Mini set-up using remotehams. I have successful set-up both the remote K3 and the control side K3 mini on receive and computer keyboard CW transmit. I have also plugged the CW paddle into the rear of the K3 mini and it does indeed transmit CW. But with NO CW sidetone. Does anyone have any ideas how I get CW sidetone to work with this set-up? Any help would be great. 73 Bill W4RM Please use W4RM at AOL.COM as my primary account From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Dec 6 13:46:21 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0998B94F-6475-4BF7-AB9D-6347375658BB@elecraft.com> Don Wilhelm wrote: > AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. And yet, reserving as we do the right to practice random acts of wizardry, new things *will* materialize, a feature here, a mod there?. W From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 13:57:49 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 10:57:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Issue with mounting KX3 RF board Rev D In-Reply-To: <54833F56.26741.2AED9C26@listmail.dl1ekc.de> References: <54833F56.26741.2AED9C26@listmail.dl1ekc.de> Message-ID: <548351AD.5020007@socal.rr.com> Marcus, I had the same experience with a stripped standoff. It was late on a Friday afternoon as luck would have it. I called Elecraft and had a replacement standoff the following Wed. I'm in the Los Angeles area, reasonably close to Elecraft, and with quite a few hardware stores nearby. I had no luck finding a replacement locally. In your case the wait for a replacement standoff is likely to be longer than mine -- and that five days was pretty frustrating, with the KX3 spread out in my operating position. I suggested at the time that a spare standoff or two be included in the kit -- because it is not a piece of hardware anyone is likely to find in a local hardware store, and it is pretty easy to strip, as you and have demonstrated. I guess my recommendation fell on deaf ears :-) Unfortunately the only way I could comment on your measurements and following discussion would be to disassemble my KX3 and do some measurements -- and that would risk stripping another standoff with no spare on hand. Perhaps someone from Elecraft can comment. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 9:39 AM, Marcus Busch [DL1EKC] wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm just putting together my KX3 kit. While mounting the RF board Rev D to the > bottom cover I zipped off one of the M-F standoffs using rather little force. > As I usually have a good feeling which force may be used on these standoffs I > started investigating things a bit. > > After removing the RF board I callipered the remaining gap after fully > screwing in the M-F standoff into the round standoff at the bottom cover. The > gap is 1.9 mm / 0.075 in. The RF board PCB has a thickness of 1.7 mm / 0.066 > in. The lock washer was in place when measuring the gap (see photo). The pan > head screw at the bottom cover has a length of 4.8 mm / 0.0177 in which > matches the numbers in the instruction manual. > > Obviously it is not possible to securely mount the PCB to the bottom cover > with the above dimensions. In my understanding those screw points are being > used as grounding points so there should be a reliable electrical connection > as well. > > Did anybody here also experience this issue? How did You solve this? > > I could use two split lock washers between PCB an M-F standoff, but this would > change the distance between RF board and KXAT3 board and front panel. > > Or do I just have bad luck with tolerances? > > Any idea or hints are highly appreciated. > > VY 73 > > Marcus, DL1EKC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 13:58:42 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 10:58:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <0998B94F-6475-4BF7-AB9D-6347375658BB@elecraft.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <0998B94F-6475-4BF7-AB9D-6347375658BB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <548351E2.2080803@socal.rr.com> Yes, as if out of a hat :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 10:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. > And yet, reserving as we do the right to practice random acts of wizardry, new things *will* materialize, a feature here, a mod there?. > > W From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 6 14:18:38 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:18:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? Message-ID: Don,? $2000 to $4000??? A basic KX3 doesn't come close to $2000, and the upgrades can be added as money becomes available! ?I sure wish the KX3 was around when I got my novice ticket! Mark KE6BB? From n5lz at comcast.net Sat Dec 6 14:45:39 2014 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> Sure Mark ?. I?m of the opinion that QRP is NOT the best idea for a beginner because it can often be very frustrating without an optimal antenna (which most newbees do NOT have)?.. so my estimate does not necessarily apply to those who are willing to struggle with QRP. I don?t really know about the digital modes and QRP as I?m a traditional CW and SSB guy also ?.so I?m really talking about KX3 + the 100 watt external amp, key, mic and other options ?..or a K3/100 with most options. My KX3 + KXPA100 and other options if purchased today would cost me over $2300 ?. And I?m afraid to check what the two K3s would be ? the one with subreceiver, internal tuner and several filters would be well over $4K ?. And the other which is more barebones as a second SO2R radio would be close to $3K ?. And I need an external 20+ amp power supply in addition to that?. So, yes ?. I?d say $2K to $4K. Don, N5LZ From: Mark, KE6BB [mailto:rv6amark at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:19 PM To: Don Butler; 'Gary Gregory'; don at w3fpr.com Cc: 'Elecraft List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? Don, $2000 to $4000??? A basic KX3 doesn't come close to $2000, and the upgrades can be added as money becomes available! I sure wish the KX3 was around when I got my novice ticket! Mark KE6BB From sdsmithbiz at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 14:53:42 2014 From: sdsmithbiz at gmail.com (WD4SDC) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:53:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning and channel hopping question... In-Reply-To: References: <1417822364732-7595522.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1417895622074-7595558.post@n2.nabble.com> >There's actually a variable in the source code called "scanWorthy" that accrues intel about the signal :) Info at the speed of NOW - and from the guy who wrote the code, no less. And I agree w/ NT6Y - it is impressive. >As the guy who wrote the firmware, I'm happy to find that someone else finds it useful, *and* is curious about how it >works. Thanks. I think my curiosity has exceeded threshold and I'll have to become a customer. I'm looking forward to being a happy user of your scanWorthy variable;) I think you guys have put the "art" back in state-of-the-art. Steve. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at .qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Scanning-and-channel-hopping-question-tp7595522p7595558.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 6 14:59:52 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <54831ECF.6060105@mediacombb.net> References: <54831ECF.6060105@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <2055267947.441848.1417895992523.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10687.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>>> I am continuously amazed by the amount of "stuff" people want to add to Elecraft products, <<<< AMEN! Unlike everyone else, I don't need much.Just be sure to add the " Kitchen Sink " (Tongue n Cheek ) ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. From: Kevin Stover To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product I am continuously amazed by the amount of "stuff" people want to add to Elecraft products, in this case the P3, that are done BETTER and CHEAPER by other things. Want to monitor your output waveform...buy a used oscilloscope and spend $10 for the parts to build a sampler. Better yet buy one of the inexpensive? dual channel 100MHz Rigol O-scopes for less than $400 and you've got an output monitor AND an O-scope. How about we just add an solid state drive and Intel i3 processor with appropriate motherboard with really good on board sound chip (oxymoron?) running Windows 10 to the P3 and you could replace your shack computer...kinda...sorta.... Of course the cost of all this convenience will triple or quadruple the price of the P3... Of course Elecraft would have to add a couple dozen personnel for the inevitable "help desk"...but it will have a real good "gee whiz" factor. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From dave at davesergeant.com Sat Dec 6 15:49:49 2014 From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:49:49 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> OK, I am not a beginner, but having worked 253 DXCC with 5W and very modest antennas on my K2 I would not agree with that statement....And I never find myself 'struggling', I just work the stuff. 73 Dave G3YMC On 6 Dec 2014 at 12:45, Don Butler wrote: > TMm of the opinion that QRP is NOT the best idea for a beginner because > it can often be very frustrating without an optimal antenna http://davesergeant.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 6 15:55:41 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:55:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> References: <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54836D4D.1060006@embarqmail.com> Just for clarity, the original post asked only about the KX3 - which is $899.95 kit price. That is only 20% to 45% of your stated $2K to $4K. While the pros and cons of a new general class licensee using a transceiver that produces 15 watts can be debated, my take is that -- 1) Many new hams *do* budget enough for the KX3/KXPA100/KXAT100 combo, or even a full blown K3. 2) A good receiver is more important than the amount of power, especially with compromise antennas. If the antenna must be a compromise, why create double jeopardy by using an inferior receiver. If conditions are right, even a 1 watt signal can be quite effective. 3) The KX3 (and the K3) do not have to be purchased with all the options at once - the receiver capabilities are there in the basic models, but the "bells and whistles" can be added as the operator gains experience and begins to understand what additional options would be of value. If you can't hear them, you can't work them, no matter what the power might be, so a good receiver is a real asset to a ham just starting out on the HF bands - to my mind more of an asset than higher power. Certainly the new op running lower power will want to stay away from contests and DX pileups to avoid frustration, but after gaining some operating experience, he can even join in those activities even with QRP levels. To respond to another earlier post in this thread, yes a used K2 would be a good choice if it has been upgraded and properly aligned and calibrated. The K2 has a fine receiver too. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/6/2014 2:45 PM, Don Butler wrote: > Sure Mark ?. I?m of the opinion that QRP is NOT the best idea for a beginner because it can often be very frustrating without an optimal antenna (which most newbees do NOT have)?.. so my estimate does not necessarily apply to those who are willing to struggle with QRP. I don?t really know about the digital modes and QRP as I?m a traditional CW and SSB guy also ?.so I?m really talking about KX3 + the 100 watt external amp, key, mic and other options ?..or a K3/100 with most options. My KX3 + KXPA100 and other options if purchased today would cost me over $2300 ?. From n5lz at comcast.net Sat Dec 6 15:56:46 2014 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:56:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> Message-ID: <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> Hi Elecrafters... This is becoming redundant so will be my final post on this thread (I apologize for the consumed bandwidth). Suffice to say that each of us will develop an opinion of our own on this subject and it will likely differ from that of many others, and that should be just fine. My shack happens to be equipped with several pieces of Elecraft gear, and I am very, very pleased with every single item. Regarding prices . yes, they are rather expensive, but I'm happy and I think the prices I paid were fair. My whole point to these posts has been that, even though we're talking about excellent equipment here, many beginning hams simply do not have the means to be able to buy these high end transceivers when they're trying to put their first station together. 73, Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sergeant Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 1:50 PM To: 'Elecraft List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? OK, I am not a beginner, but having worked 253 DXCC with 5W and very modest antennas on my K2 I would not agree with that statement....And I never find myself 'struggling', I just work the stuff. 73 Dave G3YMC On 6 Dec 2014 at 12:45, Don Butler wrote: > TMm of the opinion that QRP is NOT the best idea for a beginner > because it can often be very frustrating without an optimal antenna http://davesergeant.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 6 16:50:04 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:50:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Something new hams wrestle with is ... how much do I want to spend given that I don't know where this will take me or if I'll even stick with it? So the entry point price makes a difference. So does resell-ability in case I want out. The question of QRP operation is pertinent but not the whole discussion. Antennas are very important but any antenna a new ham puts up will likely be the same regardless of what unit they are operating from and as such the focus goes back to the equipment usability. A problem with the question ... Is the KX3 (/or any other model/) a good choice for a new General (/ham/)? ... is that it is _/*toooooo*/_ broad. It is kinda like asking if someone is pretty/handsome. It all depends on the observer. For either question, there is no one answer! Relative to _usability _for a new ham (as opposed to flat out comparing equipment spec) mode of operation makes a huge difference to the question: If you are operating from home base (not mobile or portable) then the options increase and are different than the next modes. Now there are more options relative to used, new and power. If you are operating from vehicle mobile then the options change as well. If the ham wants portable (not mobile) then the options are severely reduced. For example, what if the final three are the 817ND, 857D and the KX3. Now the applicability to a new ham questions include: - Which of the three is a better new ham choice without any options? - If I add a $150 amp (not Elecraft) to the 817ND or the KX3 now how does it compare to the 857D (given that final power out is not identical) as it applies to usability by a new ham - If I add a antenna tuner to the 817ND, 857D & KX3 and the $150 power amp, how do they compare relative to usability to a new ham. - If I take out the 817 & 857 then what units should be considered in addition to the KX3? And how does operation compare relative to a new ham. - What if the new ham only is interested in CW? Or Digital? Now is the KX3 a good choice? If you follow my drift, the permutations and combinations of the question explode. And note that I'm not trying to explode the discussion/question:-) Here are some variations on the original KX3 question: For fixed base, mobile, portable, Other?: - Where/why is the KX3 a good choice for a new ham? - Where/why is the KX3 a bad choice for a new ham? - What things/actions/options/etc can make a new ham successful with a KX3? Nick N1KMP From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 16:58:05 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:58:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54837BED.70006@socal.rr.com> I agree, NIck. In past years I made a point of giving older rigs away to a new ham so they can start in the hobby without committing funds. That's where early Kenwoods (TS-520S, TS-440SAT) went and where my TS-570DG will go as soon as I find a local ham with interest. New hams seldom know what areas of this hobby will grab them, nor if they'll stay in the hobby long term. Assuming they are of limited means, spending $1K or more may not be a wise starting point if they have other viable options. Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 1:50 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > Something new hams wrestle with is ... how much > do I want to spend given that I don't know where > this will take me or if I'll even stick with > it? So the entry point price makes a > difference. So does resell-ability in case I > want out. > > The question of QRP operation is pertinent but > not the whole discussion. ..... > > Nick > N1KMP From raysills3 at verizon.net Sat Dec 6 17:07:32 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <54837BED.70006@socal.rr.com> References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> <54837BED.70006@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: While I think an Elecraft rig is not a bad choice for a committed ham, or even an unsure newbie (because they retain value in the second hand market), this is a situation where a local club might help. Sometimes, hams will leave their radio estate to the club, for the purpose of providing a "loaner" rig for new hams or for someone whose rig went poof. It might be worth checking. And, some clubs have a fully functioning station which is available for members to use. My local club has dues of $20 a year... that's pretty cheap to get to use a raft of nice ham gear, including the nicely built antenna systems. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Dec 6, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I agree, NIck. In past years I made a point of giving older rigs > away to a new ham so they can start in the hobby without committing > funds. That's where early Kenwoods (TS-520S, TS-440SAT) went and > where my TS-570DG will go as soon as I find a local ham with interest. > > New hams seldom know what areas of this hobby will grab them, nor if > they'll stay in the hobby long term. Assuming they are of limited > means, spending $1K or more may not be a wise starting point if they > have other viable options. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/6/14 1:50 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: >> Something new hams wrestle with is ... how much do I want to spend >> given that I don't know where this will take me or if I'll even >> stick with it? So the entry point price makes a difference. So >> does resell-ability in case I want out. >> >> The question of QRP operation is pertinent but not the whole >> discussion. ..... >> >> Nick >> N1KMP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From myronschaffer at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 17:19:22 2014 From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> <54837BED.70006@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <585A9E1C-D0F3-4005-BBFE-2348A155A550@gmail.com> And that is a great way to go. However, the eye candy of a the newer rigs is a big appeal to the uniformed and will likely be biased from then on and that's all they want. Until the day (maybe it never comes) they realize that their rig just doesn't seem to perform like someone else's, (ignoring the antenna system for the moment). Or they read on a list somewhere that their rig doesn't perform like the Humperdink 8000, then they will wish they had waited. Either way a good way to go, for sure. Visit someone's shack and even multiple stations to see what they like. Betcha it will be the eye candy rigs. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Dec 6, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > > And, some clubs have a fully functioning station which is available for members to use From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 6 17:39:44 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:39:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> Message-ID: <548385B0.8000105@audiosystemsgroup.com> Respectfully, 253 QRP DXCC is FAR easier from anywhere around the northern Atlantic and Western EU than from many other parts of the world. W6, for example. :) On Sat,12/6/2014 12:49 PM, Dave Sergeant wrote: > but having worked 253 DXCC with 5W and very modest antennas on my K2 I would not agree with that statement....And I never find myself 'struggling', I just work the stuff. > > 73 Dave G3YMC From rehill at ix.netcom.com Sat Dec 6 17:40:01 2014 From: rehill at ix.netcom.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:40:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com><000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <548385C1.3090402@ix.netcom.com> I bought my K3 and KX3 in stages because I could not afford all at once. I owned an IC-718, IC-706mkII and an IC-746 (all previously used) as first radios. I decided to buy the K3 because of my first experience with it. I got a late night shift during a contest and suddenly had to figure it out with no introduction, and was up and running shortly. No worries. I did have guest op experience with Yaesu, Kenwood, TenTec and Icom radios. I found the K3 easy to set up and adjust. If you can afford one, it will save you much pain and frustration. On the other hand, starting with a less expensive radio will teach life lessons regarding the value of a well designed radio system. For a new ham that has some interest in contesting and dxing with CW, the feature that would sell me is APF: http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20for%20weak%20signal%20CW%20work%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf APF makes learning CW much more comfortable than I expected. I am unaware of a similar feature on other radios, but may just be ignorant. It is critical for my hearing weak signals, but also critical for hearing good signals in bad conditions. There are many great features, but for someone learning CW, APF is wonderful. Richard Hill KG6JOT, AE6JW, NU6T (Tech to Extra in 2002) On 12/6/2014 1:50 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > Something new hams wrestle with is ... how much do I want to spend > given that I don't know where this will take me or if I'll even stick > with it? So the entry point price makes a difference. So does > resell-ability in case I want out. > > The question of QRP operation is pertinent but not the whole discussion. > > Antennas are very important but any antenna a new ham puts up will > likely be the same regardless of what unit they are operating from and > as such the focus goes back to the equipment usability. > > A problem with the question ... Is the KX3 (/or any other model/) a > good choice for a new General (/ham/)? ... is that it is _/*toooooo*/_ > broad. It is kinda like asking if someone is pretty/handsome. It all > depends on the observer. For either question, there is no one answer! > > Relative to _usability _for a new ham (as opposed to flat out > comparing equipment spec) mode of operation makes a huge difference to > the question: > > If you are operating from home base (not mobile or portable) then the > options increase and are different than the next modes. Now there are > more options relative to used, new and power. > > If you are operating from vehicle mobile then the options change as well. > > If the ham wants portable (not mobile) then the options are severely > reduced. For example, what if the final three are the 817ND, 857D and > the KX3. Now the applicability to a new ham questions include: > - Which of the three is a better new ham choice without any options? > - If I add a $150 amp (not Elecraft) to the 817ND or the KX3 now how > does it compare to the 857D (given that final power out is not > identical) as it applies to usability by a new ham > - If I add a antenna tuner to the 817ND, 857D & KX3 and the $150 power > amp, how do they compare relative to usability to a new ham. > - If I take out the 817 & 857 then what units should be considered in > addition to the KX3? And how does operation compare relative to a new > ham. > > - What if the new ham only is interested in CW? Or Digital? Now is > the KX3 a good choice? > > If you follow my drift, the permutations and combinations of the > question explode. And note that I'm not trying to explode the > discussion/question:-) > > Here are some variations on the original KX3 question: > For fixed base, mobile, portable, Other?: > - Where/why is the KX3 a good choice for a new ham? > - Where/why is the KX3 a bad choice for a new ham? > - What things/actions/options/etc can make a new ham successful with a > KX3? > > Nick > N1KMP > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rehill at ix.netcom.com > From rtavan at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 18:26:11 2014 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub RX Audio/SO2V/N!MM In-Reply-To: <1333CA09-A5F5-4390-A6B2-5038466E4896@gmail.com> References: <1333CA09-A5F5-4390-A6B2-5038466E4896@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, sigh. Certain operations cause K3 Remote to revert to the physical setting of the remote K3 gain controls. Elecraft are aware of the problem but I haven't heard anything about a fix . A workaround is to leave the AF Gain control at a "normal" listening level when you depart the remote station. Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan iPhone > On Dec 4, 2014, at 4:58 AM, Stan Stockton wrote: > > I just tried N1MM in SO2V mode using a K3 with Sub Receiver. Everything works fine. > > Now introduce RemoteRig. Connected to the remote K3 a thousand miles away, when I press Control + Right Arrow Button to listen and move focus to VFO B/Sub Receiver there is no audio from the sub receiver unless you move the sub receiver audio gain knob. All you have to do is slightly move it and it comes alive. > > Wondering whether anyone has had this situation or knows what to try in order to fix it? > > Thanks...Stan, K5GO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Dec 6 18:33:20 2014 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:33:20 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> Don W3FPR wrote: > >A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include >Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being >considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as >making the K3 internal keyer "incomplete" - only that other things need >attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request >for Ultimatic keying. > Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays to features that have been waiting "on the list" for 7 years now. Given that the K3 aims to be the world's best CW transceiver, "incomplete" seems a very appropriate word for an internal keyer that offers fewer alternative timing options than a $6 WinKey. For anyone who isn't already attuned to Curtis A or Curtis B modes, the K3's internal keyer is of little use. The obvious remedy is to plug in a separate keyer - and of course many people do, although that reduces the much-vaunted portability of the K3 (and the KX3, even more so). But the internal keyer remains mandatory for paddle-sent RTTY or PSK. Normal datamode keyboard speeds are 40-50wpm, so most paddle users will try to send as close as possible to their personal top speed. This is where the internal keyer needs to offer the maximum possible support for alternative timing modes... and that support isn't there. User support has to start inside the transceiver itself, with the facilities that it provides for everyday use. From both points of view - the facilities that one expects in a premium transceiver, and fact that the internal keyer is sometimes mandatory - the internal keyer really does need attention. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 6 18:42:36 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:42:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product In-Reply-To: <2055267947.441848.1417895992523.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10687.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <16088898.33187.1417787138475.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <5481F04F.30409@nexicom.net> <5481F628.9020307@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5481FC56.3040307@earthlink.net> <5482201C.6010006@socal.rr.com> <000c01d010d6$2008fc90$601af5b0$@windstream.net> <54823D1F.3020508@earthlink.net> <54828DED.70705@socal.rr.com> <54831ECF.6060105@mediacombb.net> <2055267947.441848.1417895992523.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10687.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1417909356874-7595571.post@n2.nabble.com> If the P3 is so great as is, I have an almost new one for sale on QRZ. Without the NB for the SVGA board it not anywhere near good as other methods of using a panadapter. So I went another direction. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-unfinished-product-tp7595499p7595571.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 6 18:45:41 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:45:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 message length variation In-Reply-To: <54833745.2070405@necg.de> References: <000001d01171$6be43940$43acabc0$@com> <54833745.2070405@necg.de> Message-ID: <1417909541149-7595572.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a K3 that is less than 6 months old (SN 82XX) that has 14 seconds in each of the 8 banks. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KDVR3-message-length-variation-tp7595546p7595572.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mail at brucemicek.com Sat Dec 6 20:06:23 2014 From: mail at brucemicek.com (W9AKX) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:06:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 In-Reply-To: <1370960448171-7575063.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1370960448171-7575063.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1417914383501-7595573.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm very interested I the K3/P3. I'm a neighbor in Williston on Levy St. Please call me at 352.528.0992. Bruce W9AKX. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-Elecraft-k3-P3-AND-Icom-IC-7600-tp7575063p7595573.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:20:35 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:20:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? Message-ID: Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) Frank KG9H From pincon at erols.com Sat Dec 6 20:24:57 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:24:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 References: <1370960448171-7575063.post@n2.nabble.com> <1417914383501-7595573.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9A0501DC5C2D464B9AC23D427A8E7E6B@pinnacle05df05> Noise on 160 Meters It may have been there for a while, but last night and tonight, I just noticed a strange sweeping/buzzing noise on 160M, centered around 1915 kHz. It's definitely coming from outside my immediate location because it I just got off 1913 where it was reported to be S-9 in Wisconsin, Michigan & Tennessee. Looking at the panadapter & waterfall display on the Flex, it's about 30 kHz wide with a rep rate of about 3 CPS. It was S-9 late last night and early this morning, but barely audible at 0930 so I suspect it is propagation limited. The best way to listen is in AM mode, tuned to 1915 kHz in the evening. Anybody hear this at your location? 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "W9AKX" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 > I'm very interested I the K3/P3. I'm a neighbor in Williston on Levy St. > Please call me at 352.528.0992. Bruce W9AKX. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-Elecraft-k3-P3-AND-Icom-IC-7600-tp7575063p7595573.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 20:27:09 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? 73, Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. > Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. > I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. > (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) > Frank KG9H From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:36:12 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. I was kind of looking for a jumper block. Frank' On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER > Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. > > When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >> Frank KG9H > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From thom2 at att.net Sat Dec 6 20:34:20 2014 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:34:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: Is the KX3 a good choice for a new General? In-Reply-To: References: , <000901d0118d$36d56500$a4802f00$@comcast.net> <54836BED.18930.320E37B@dave.davesergeant.com> <000001d01197$262d47e0$7287d7a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5483AE9C.5010305@att.net> Just my two cents before Eric shuts this thread down: I haven't been following this thread too closely so I'll assume you're talking about a base station. I'd say to put your money in the best and highest antenna you can find and erect, this is by far the most important component of a base station. Whatever funds you have left in your budget, put towards a rig with a good receiver (K3 or K2 are excellent). Tom, wb2qdg K2 #1103 On 12/6/2014 4:50 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > Something new hams wrestle with is ... how much do I want to spend > given that I don't know where this will take me or if I'll even stick > with it? So the entry point price makes a difference. So does > resell-ability in case I want out. > > The question of QRP operation is pertinent but not the whole discussion. > > Antennas are very important but any antenna a new ham puts up will > likely be the same regardless of what unit they are operating from and > as such the focus goes back to the equipment usability. > > A problem with the question ... Is the KX3 (/or any other model/) a > good choice for a new General (/ham/)? ... is that it is _/*toooooo*/_ > broad. It is kinda like asking if someone is pretty/handsome. It all > depends on the observer. For either question, there is no one answer! > > Relative to _usability _for a new ham (as opposed to flat out > comparing equipment spec) mode of operation makes a huge difference to > the question: > > If you are operating from home base (not mobile or portable) then the > options increase and are different than the next modes. Now there are > more options relative to used, new and power. > > If you are operating from vehicle mobile then the options change as well. > > If the ham wants portable (not mobile) then the options are severely > reduced. For example, what if the final three are the 817ND, 857D and > the KX3. Now the applicability to a new ham questions include: > - Which of the three is a better new ham choice without any options? > - If I add a $150 amp (not Elecraft) to the 817ND or the KX3 now how > does it compare to the 857D (given that final power out is not > identical) as it applies to usability by a new ham > - If I add a antenna tuner to the 817ND, 857D & KX3 and the $150 power > amp, how do they compare relative to usability to a new ham. > - If I take out the 817 & 857 then what units should be considered in > addition to the KX3? And how does operation compare relative to a new > ham. > > - What if the new ham only is interested in CW? Or Digital? Now is > the KX3 a good choice? > > If you follow my drift, the permutations and combinations of the > question explode. And note that I'm not trying to explode the > discussion/question:-) > > Here are some variations on the original KX3 question: > For fixed base, mobile, portable, Other?: > - Where/why is the KX3 a good choice for a new ham? > - Where/why is the KX3 a bad choice for a new ham? > - What things/actions/options/etc can make a new ham successful with a > KX3? > > Nick > N1KMP > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > From dick at elecraft.com Sat Dec 6 20:37:05 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:37:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <002a01d011be$4f0d8950$ed289bf0$@elecraft.com> Might it be one of these? http://www.unpcbs.com/adaptor/ Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Krozel Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 5:36 PM To: Phil Wheeler Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? All I "see" are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. I was kind of looking for a jumper block. Frank' On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need > is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. > > When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) Frank KG9H > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kg9hfrank at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:39:01 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:39:01 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): http://www.unpcbs.com/ 73, Matt VK2RQ. > On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: > > All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. > I was kind of looking for a jumper block. > Frank' > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >> >> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>> Frank KG9H >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:47:39 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:47:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. Frank On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): > http://www.unpcbs.com/ > > > 73, Matt VK2RQ. > >> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >> >> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >> Frank' >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>> >>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>> >>> 73, Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>> Frank KG9H >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 20:49:26 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:49:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a > part of this process as well. > Frank > > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ > > wrote: > >> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the >> KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 >> microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style >> jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you >> use a different type of microphone, you need to >> take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? >> guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you >> to easily change the jumper setup for a range >> of standard mics, suggest you look it up below >> (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >> >> >> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >> >>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. >>> I am thinking there is a header missing or >>> similar. >>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>> Frank' >>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you >>>> mean) the info you need is in this document >>>> "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near >>>> the end is the info for configuring it for >>>> various mics. >>>> >>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I >>>> got it used" do you mean on SSB or >>>> completely? Does it have the KSB2 option >>>> installed? >>>> >>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>> >>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to >>>>> Elecraft and one of the items I will be >>>>> needing are a few of the connectors like P3, >>>>> P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was >>>>> inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been >>>>> staring at the pictures and cannot find the >>>>> manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but >>>>> cannot find any picture of that in case I >>>>> need some additional connectors. >>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>> Frank KG9H From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 20:52:56 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:52:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, you have to insert a headphone into the hole about 1/2 way lol Frank On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. >> Frank >> >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >> >>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>> >>> >>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>> >>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>> >>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>> Frank' >>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>> >>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>>>> >>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>>>> >>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>> >>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>>> Frank KG9H > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 20:55:27 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:55:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5483B38F.6080700@socal.rr.com> Got it. BTW this item http://www.unpcbs.com/adaptor/ mentioned by Dick in an earlier post is a 3rd part K2 mod which is very nice to have. It lets you change the mic configuration without a major disassembly of the K2. Only one side panel needs removing once this mod is in place. Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 5:52 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In > order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, > you have to insert a headphone into the hole > about 1/2 way lol > Frank > > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler > > > wrote: > >> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the >> mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do >> you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be >>> a part of this process as well. >>> Frank >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the >>>> KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 >>>> microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style >>>> jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if >>>> you use a different type of microphone, you >>>> need to take care for the jumping yourself. >>>> The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB >>>> that allows you to easily change the jumper >>>> setup for a range of standard mics, suggest >>>> you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic >>>> Adaptor?): >>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>> >>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are >>>>> unpopulated. I am thinking there is a >>>>> header missing or similar. >>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>> Frank' >>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler >>>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig >>>>>> you mean) the info you need is in this >>>>>> document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near >>>>>> the end is the info for configuring it for >>>>>> various mics. >>>>>> >>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I >>>>>> got it used" do you mean on SSB or >>>>>> completely? Does it have the KSB2 option >>>>>> installed? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order >>>>>>> to Elecraft and one of the items I will be >>>>>>> needing are a few of the connectors like >>>>>>> P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was >>>>>>> inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? >>>>>>> Been staring at the pictures and cannot >>>>>>> find the manual where it shows where the >>>>>>> jumper block is. >>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but >>>>>>> cannot find any picture of that in case I >>>>>>> need some additional connectors. >>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect >>>>>>> condition!!) >>>>>>> Frank KG9H >> > From thom2 at att.net Sat Dec 6 20:57:23 2014 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 20:57:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5483B403.50709@att.net> I believe a lot of folks have had a problem with that jack. It sounds (no pun ) like you may need a replacement Tom, wb2qdg K2 1103 On 12/6/2014 8:52 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, you have to insert a headphone into the hole about 1/2 way lol > Frank > > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. >>> Frank >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >>> >>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>> >>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>> Frank' >>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>>>>> >>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>>>> Frank KG9H > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 21:01:36 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:01:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <5483B403.50709@att.net> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> <5483B403.50709@att.net> Message-ID: <7E83DAF8-A02D-4EC0-9F8C-C0C737ABFBBA@gmail.com> I did hear this was problematic but.. I have had 4 K2?s never had that problem. Maybe some folks use a 1/4? to 1/8? adapter and the darn thing hangs out too far. Oh well, my parts list quest moves forward. Things to do over the holiday to keep out of the way of the wife.. Frank On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: > I believe a lot of folks have had a problem with that jack. It sounds (no pun ) like you may need a replacement > Tom, wb2qdg > > K2 1103 > > > On 12/6/2014 8:52 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, you have to insert a headphone into the hole about 1/2 way lol >> Frank >> >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >>> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >>> >>> Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >>>> >>>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >>>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>>> Frank' >>>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>>>>> Frank KG9H >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to thom2 at att.net >> > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 21:01:34 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:01:34 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53355B4A-EA14-4501-B17C-67299E9BFEB1@gmail.com> When you place your order, mention in the comments section that you want a headphone jack or two (email parts at elecraft dot com to get the part number/pricing). When I bought my K2 I ordered an extra headphone jack as a spare because I heard they can wear out after some time. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:52 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: > > Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, you have to insert a headphone into the hole about 1/2 way lol > Frank > >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >>> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. >>> Frank >>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >>>> >>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>> >>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>> Frank' >>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>>>>> >>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>>>> Frank KG9H >> > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 21:02:16 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:02:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <5483B403.50709@att.net> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> <5483B403.50709@att.net> Message-ID: <5483B528.1090801@socal.rr.com> I'm surprised to hear that, Tom. Mine's been in service since July 1999 (the headphone jack, not the KSB2!) and no problems. Of course, with a K3 and KX3 the K2 doesn't get much use these days. Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 5:57 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: > I believe a lot of folks have had a problem with > that jack. It sounds (no pun ) like you may > need a replacement > Tom, wb2qdg > > K2 1103 > > > On 12/6/2014 8:52 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In >> order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, >> you have to insert a headphone into the hole >> about 1/2 way lol >> Frank >> >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler >> wrote: >> >>> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the >>> mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do >>> you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >>> >>> Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will >>>> be a part of this process as well. >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with >>>>> the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a >>>>> MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of >>>>> PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. >>>>> Otherwise, if you use a different type of >>>>> microphone, you need to take care for the >>>>> jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a >>>>> nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily >>>>> change the jumper setup for a range of >>>>> standard mics, suggest you look it up below >>>>> (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are >>>>>> unpopulated. I am thinking there is a >>>>>> header missing or similar. >>>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>>> Frank' >>>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig >>>>>>> you mean) the info you need is in this >>>>>>> document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near >>>>>>> the end is the info for configuring it for >>>>>>> various mics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I >>>>>>> got it used" do you mean on SSB or >>>>>>> completely? Does it have the KSB2 option >>>>>>> installed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order >>>>>>>> to Elecraft and one of the items I will >>>>>>>> be needing are a few of the connectors >>>>>>>> like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. >>>>>>>> Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? >>>>>>>> Been staring at the pictures and cannot >>>>>>>> find the manual where it shows where the >>>>>>>> jumper block is. >>>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but >>>>>>>> cannot find any picture of that in case I >>>>>>>> need some additional connectors. >>>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect >>>>>>>> condition!!) >>>>>>>> Frank KG9H From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 21:02:28 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:02:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 speaker jack Message-ID: I suggest you order several to have on hand. Their failure rate is high. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 21:05:19 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:05:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <53355B4A-EA14-4501-B17C-67299E9BFEB1@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> <53355B4A-EA14-4501-B17C-67299E9BFEB1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep, I believe it is p/n 620028 Frank On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:01 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > When you place your order, mention in the comments section that you want a headphone jack or two (email parts at elecraft dot com to get the part number/pricing). When I bought my K2 I ordered an extra headphone jack as a spare because I heard they can wear out after some time. > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > > On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:52 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: > >> Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, you have to insert a headphone into the hole about 1/2 way lol >> Frank >> >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >>> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >>> >>> Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >>>> >>>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >>>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>>> Frank' >>>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>>>>> Frank KG9H >>> >> From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 21:03:39 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:03:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: <7E83DAF8-A02D-4EC0-9F8C-C0C737ABFBBA@gmail.com> References: <5483ACED.1060007@socal.rr.com> <990F12DE-DA07-44D6-97EB-76088B43E882@gmail.com> <7E679ADD-A2E0-4B3D-AFE6-87457AD92EAA@gmail.com> <5483B226.8060203@socal.rr.com> <0898E783-3824-41E4-A411-67B0A7255874@gmail.com> <5483B403.50709@att.net> <7E83DAF8-A02D-4EC0-9F8C-C0C737ABFBBA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5483B57B.80209@socal.rr.com> Re "keep out of the way of the wife": Always a wise course to follow, Frank! Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 6:01 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > I did hear this was problematic but.. I have had 4 K2?s never had that problem. Maybe some folks use a 1/4? to 1/8? adapter and the darn thing hangs out too far. > Oh well, my parts list quest moves forward. > Things to do over the holiday to keep out of the way of the wife.. > Frank > > On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: > >> I believe a lot of folks have had a problem with that jack. It sounds (no pun ) like you may need a replacement >> Tom, wb2qdg >> >> K2 1103 >> >> >> On 12/6/2014 8:52 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>> Oh, it was broken and sold that way to me.. In order to hear ?something? out of the speaker, you have to insert a headphone into the hole about 1/2 way lol >>> Frank >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> >>>> The headphone jack should be unrelated to the mic config header and the KSB2 board. Why do you think you need a new headphone jack, Frank? >>>> >>>> Phil W7OX >>>> >>>> On 12/6/14 5:47 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>> So guess replacing my ?headphone jack? will be a part of this process as well. >>>>> Frank >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The ?missing? PCB header is supplied with the KSB2 SSB option module. If you order a MH2 microphone, you?ll get a packet of PC-style jumpers to bridge the header. Otherwise, if you use a different type of microphone, you need to take care for the jumping yourself. The ?UNPCB? guy sells a nice jumpering PCB that allows you to easily change the jumper setup for a range of standard mics, suggest you look it up below (look for ?Internal Mic Adaptor?): >>>>>> http://www.unpcbs.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 12:36 pm, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I ?see? are pc holes that are unpopulated. I am thinking there is a header missing or similar. >>>>>>> I was kind of looking for a jumper block. >>>>>>> Frank' >>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank, for the K2 (I think that's the rig you mean) the info you need is in this document "ELECRAFT KSB2 S SB ADAPTER >>>>>>>> Assembly and Operating Instructions". Near the end is the info for configuring it for various mics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When you said "Mine was inoperative when I got it used" do you mean on SSB or completely? Does it have the KSB2 option installed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Phil W7OX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/6/14 5:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. >>>>>>>>> Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. >>>>>>>>> I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. >>>>>>>>> (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) >>>>>>>>> Frank KG9H From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 21:09:53 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:09:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? Message-ID: OK, pondering this after listening on the K2 to SSB tonight?. Has anyone tried to align the SSB module to get something more then 2.2kHz? I was thinking of 2.4, 2.0, 1.7 as my filters when I get the SSB module. Frank KG9H From va3mw at portcredit.net Sat Dec 6 21:45:15 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:45:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 In-Reply-To: <9A0501DC5C2D464B9AC23D427A8E7E6B@pinnacle05df05> References: <1370960448171-7575063.post@n2.nabble.com> <1417914383501-7595573.post@n2.nabble.com> <9A0501DC5C2D464B9AC23D427A8E7E6B@pinnacle05df05> Message-ID: <1FD31A42-E537-4A0B-9001-50AD06032798@portcredit.net> Just about every forum is reporting this. It seems it is Codar used for measuring waves. http://www.codar.com/index.htm Mike va3mw > On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:24 PM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" wrote: > > Noise on 160 Meters > > It may have been there for a while, but last night and tonight, I just noticed a strange sweeping/buzzing noise on 160M, centered around 1915 kHz. It's definitely coming from outside my immediate location because it I just got off 1913 where it was reported to be S-9 in Wisconsin, Michigan & Tennessee. Looking at the panadapter & waterfall display on the Flex, it's about 30 kHz wide with a rep rate of about 3 CPS. It was S-9 late last night and early this morning, but barely audible at 0930 so I suspect it is propagation limited. > > The best way to listen is in AM mode, tuned to 1915 kHz in the evening. > > Anybody hear this at your location? > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "W9AKX" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 > > >> I'm very interested I the K3/P3. I'm a neighbor in Williston on Levy St. >> Please call me at 352.528.0992. Bruce W9AKX. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-Elecraft-k3-P3-AND-Icom-IC-7600-tp7575063p7595573.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 22:01:48 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Wave study RADARS Message-ID: "Google" CODAR and /or Seasonde for more information. Spent several months as camp ground host in an Oregon State Park with one of these operating in the plumbing space of a public toilet about a hundred feet from our RV ... and my antenna. (;-( There are a number of Seasonde rigs housed in OSP's along the coast. The signals are about 50 kHZ wide. 73 Ken - K0PP From va3mw at portcredit.net Sat Dec 6 22:03:46 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 22:03:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Wave study RADARS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apparently this isn't CODAR as it sounds different and it above 4Mhz (according to some others). Mike va3mw On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > "Google" CODAR and /or Seasonde for more information. > > Spent several months as camp ground host in an Oregon State Park with one > of these operating in the plumbing space of a public toilet about a hundred > feet from our RV ... and my antenna. (;-( > > There are a number of Seasonde rigs > housed in OSP's along the coast. > > The signals are about 50 kHZ wide. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 6 22:08:47 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:08:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5483C4BF.2020303@socal.rr.com> I think there's a tech note on that, Frank. My recollection is that there was a mod to broaden SSB a bit. Look here and see what you find http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/ksb2_ssb_adapter_notes_and_alert.htm The need for some of these may be S/N dependent -- and depend also on what the previous owner did (e.g., my K2 is #380 but it has most of the mods developed since, a few added this year). 73, Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 6:09 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > OK, pondering this after listening on the K2 to SSB tonight?. Has anyone tried to align the SSB module to get something more then 2.2kHz? > I was thinking of 2.4, 2.0, 1.7 as my filters when I get the SSB module. > Frank KG9H From phils at riousa.com Sat Dec 6 22:20:46 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:20:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. Stop by. 73, Phil, NS7P (net control from Oregon) From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 6 23:37:10 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:37:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Jumpers for the K2 mic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5483D976.2070908@embarqmail.com> Frank, The K2 microphone configuration header is on the back of the Front Panel Board. See the KSB2 manual for details on the wiring for that header. If the prior owner did not tell you what the microphone configuration header is wired for, you will have to do a physical examination of the header wiring compared to the wiring information presented in th KSB2 manual. To get to view the microphone configuration header, you must remove the Front Panel from the K2. That means first removing the top cover (or KPA100), and then removing the KAF2 or KDSP2 options (if present) from the Control Board. There will be either a standoff or a 4-40 screw securing the Control Board to the standoffs behind the front panel. Once those connections between the Control board and the Front Panel board are removed, the Front Panel can be freed by removing the 4 screws holding the FPB to the K2 side panels and pulling the FPB forward. Trace the wiring on the Microphone Configuration Header to determine if your particular microphone is wired correctly (see the KSB2 manual). That should allow you to set your K2 to the microphone which you are trying to use with the K2, 73, Don W3FPR On 12/6/2014 8:20 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > Guys, I am about ready to place an order to Elecraft and one of the items I will be needing are a few of the connectors like P3, P6, and the headphone jack. Mine was inoperative when I got it used.. > Where is the jumper block for the mic? Been staring at the pictures and cannot find the manual where it shows where the jumper block is. > I guess it is on the control panel but cannot find any picture of that in case I need some additional connectors. > (I got it used and it is in perfect condition!!) > Frank KG9H > > From la9nea at online.no Sun Dec 7 04:00:09 2014 From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:00:09 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 or KX3 with transverters for 23,13 and 9 cm EME Message-ID: <1327503845.1539941.1417942809141.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice32.nsc.no> Hello Elecraft users ! For many years I have been active on EME ,and after an break last two years I have plan to be qrv again and now I plan something new in my shack,and looking to KX3 and K3 ,so I need some info from you using K3 and KX3 with transverters, is the freq. stability good for using JT65 mode on 23 and 13 cm ?Think on CW they perform very well :-) For some time I have used an SDR IQ with Spectravue for Sun-noise maesurements ib dB ,is it possible to do the same with the K3 and KX3 with the Pan-Adapter, eventually PC ( with spectravue program o.l )? 73' LA9NEA Viggo Magnus From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Sun Dec 7 04:22:15 2014 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:22:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> Message-ID: I agree wholeheartedly with you there, Ian. It does seem that when a new product comes out, existing products take a back seat and cease to be updated. Let's hope that no new products are released before the K3, KX3, etc have been attended to. The KX3 has some features that the K3 ought to have. To cite another example, DTMF keying in FM mode is available on the KX3, but when I use my K3 to access international repeaters on 2m I need to use a cumbersome external key pad held close to the microphone. We are told that this is "on the list" but I wonder what else is on the list awaiting attention. [soap box mode - off ;-)] 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Ian White writes > >Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays >to features that have been waiting "on the list" for 7 years now. > >Given that the K3 aims to be the world's best CW transceiver, >"incomplete" seems a very appropriate word .... >User support has to start inside the transceiver itself, with the >facilities that it provides for everyday use. From both points of view - >the facilities that one expects in a premium transceiver .... >does need attention. -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Sun Dec 7 06:10:15 2014 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:10:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54843597.8090506@david-woolley.me.uk> Re first bottom quoted paragraph, Windows doesn't come with a fully paid version of MS Word. It has Wordpad as its built in word processor. There are differences in that Elecraft don't sell an standalone keyer, but in my experience, multi-function products happen when marketing departments cannot come up with any real innovations. Re the second quoted paragraph, this is basically not true, as for example demonstrated by . Any well timed twin paddle mode can be converted fairly easily. In the case of ultimatic, it would seem that an SSI approach is quite possible, but, if you have access to the source code, and a spare pin, only a few extra lines will be needed on any microprocessor based keyer. The bug mode is a different matter, because the dashes are, essentially, straight keyed. However, if the K3 had bug mode added, I'd also expect it to have straight key added, as the same problems would have to be solved there. There seems to be an Arduino based open source keyer at that could, presumably, be adapted. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 06/12/14 23:33, Ian White wrote: > > Given that the K3 aims to be the world's best CW transceiver, > "incomplete" seems a very appropriate word for an internal keyer that > offers fewer alternative timing options than a $6 WinKey. For anyone who > isn't already attuned to Curtis A or Curtis B modes, the K3's internal > keyer is of little use. The obvious remedy is to plug in a separate > keyer - and of course many people do, although that reduces the > much-vaunted portability of the K3 (and the KX3, even more so). > > But the internal keyer remains mandatory for paddle-sent RTTY or PSK. > Normal datamode keyboard speeds are 40-50wpm, so most paddle users will > try to send as close as possible to their personal top speed. This is > where the internal keyer needs to offer the maximum possible support for > alternative timing modes... and that support isn't there. > From iain at m0pcb.co.uk Sun Dec 7 07:19:53 2014 From: iain at m0pcb.co.uk (Iain Kelly) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: V RFDET odd behaviour Message-ID: Good afternoon, I've been working on K2 s/n 5484 and have some off behaviour that has me stumped. The background is that during a KPA100 build the PC control cable was wired up backwards and then connected to the K2. Some smoke escaped from the control board area. The MCU has been replaced as we had been able to prove there was damage there. I've now got to the stage where I have 15W out again, trouble is it's all the time when I turn the power adjust pot up while in transmit. The pot is working ok and the K2 display shows 0.1 to 15W when adjusting that control in receive mode. In transmit the power output shows up to 0.4W on the K2 but 15W on an external meter. Turning the ower control to 0 reduces the transmit output. I've measured the voltage on the cathode of D9 and that varies nicely with output power. At the moment it is around 0.5V then jumps to 3.15V when power out hits 15W. This happens in a jump, from what I can tell it's because the MCU VRFDET line is still too low. When I measure VRFDET after R66 I only get 0.8V max. Way too low. I have removed and tested R66, R69, C77, D9 and all are correct. The path of VRFDET is fine, the 820 Ohm resistor on the control board is fine. R69 measures 99.9k out of circuit, but only 89k when in circuit. Taking the output of D9 directly to VRFDET input on the MCU shows that VRFDET tops out at about 2.3V in that case, again for 15W out, though I get a bit more variability of output. I have compared it with a recently acquired (and known good) K2. The only difference I can see is that in circuit R69 shows 102k. My plan of attack has been to get the base K2 back into a working state, then work on any issues we find in the KPA100 module, of which there are certainly some. Wonder if anyone can shed any light on what I am missing here? 73, Iain M0PCB From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 7 08:03:38 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 08:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> Frank, Do you have the KSB2 option installed in that K2? If so, the SSB FL1 filter should be set to "OP1" instead of "2.2". If you do have the KSB2 option, look at the board. First check the markings on the crystals If they are 4913-S you have the new crystals on that board. Then see if there are capacitors in the CB and CN locations. If not, the width is the newer 2.4kHz, but if you do not have capacitors there, you can order the K2SSBCAPKT and change the width to 2.4kHz (or even 2.6kHz if your BFO range is sufficient). You must have the 4913-S crystals installed to take advantage of that increased filter width. New KSB2 options come with capacitors for the 2.4kHz width. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/6/2014 9:09 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > OK, pondering this after listening on the K2 to SSB tonight?. Has anyone tried to align the SSB module to get something more then 2.2kHz? > I was thinking of 2.4, 2.0, 1.7 as my filters when I get the SSB module. > Frank KG9H > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 7 08:22:07 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 08:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: V RFDET odd behaviour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5484547F.3060807@embarqmail.com> Iain, Does that happen with the KPA100 completely removed from the base K2 (no ribbon cable plugged in)? If so, then you have a problem with the path for the VRFDET signal that originates from D9 on the RF board. When the KPA100 is connected, the wattmeter in the KPA100 is used as the source for VRFDET and must be working properly to achieve proper power control. If you are working with the base K2 alone, try removing the KSB2 option - it also uses the VRFDET line. You will have to put the leads of a .001uF capacitor between pins 7 and 12 of J11 to transmit and if you want to receive, jumper between pins 1 and 3 of both J9 and J10. If you have proper power control with the KSB2 removed, it is likely that KSB2 U1 is damaged and possibly Q1 as well. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/7/2014 7:19 AM, Iain Kelly wrote: > Good afternoon, > > I've been working on K2 s/n 5484 and have some off behaviour that has me > stumped. > > The background is that during a KPA100 build the PC control cable was wired > up backwards and then connected to the K2. Some smoke escaped from the > control board area. The MCU has been replaced as we had been able to prove > there was damage there. > > I've now got to the stage where I have 15W out again, trouble is it's all > the time when I turn the power adjust pot up while in transmit. > > The pot is working ok and the K2 display shows 0.1 to 15W when adjusting > that control in receive mode. In transmit the power output shows up to 0.4W > on the K2 but 15W on an external meter. Turning the ower control to 0 > reduces the transmit output. > > I've measured the voltage on the cathode of D9 and that varies nicely with > output power. At the moment it is around 0.5V then jumps to 3.15V when > power out hits 15W. This happens in a jump, from what I can tell it's > because the MCU VRFDET line is still too low. When I measure VRFDET after > R66 I only get 0.8V max. Way too low. > > I have removed and tested R66, R69, C77, D9 and all are correct. The path > of VRFDET is fine, the 820 Ohm resistor on the control board is fine. > > R69 measures 99.9k out of circuit, but only 89k when in circuit. Taking the > output of D9 directly to VRFDET input on the MCU shows that VRFDET tops out > at about 2.3V in that case, again for 15W out, though I get a bit more > variability of output. > > I have compared it with a recently acquired (and known good) K2. The only > difference I can see is that in circuit R69 shows 102k. > > My plan of attack has been to get the base K2 back into a working state, > then work on any issues we find in the KPA100 module, of which there are > certainly some. > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Dec 7 09:04:48 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 09:04:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54845E80.20707@nycap.rr.com> I have a three year old Toyota RAV - it is a reasonably good car. However, I went to the dealership the other day and looked at the newest models. They have many updates that I would like on my car. Using the logic shown regarding K3/P3 etc. updates - perhaps I should demand that Toyota update my three year old car to the level of the newest model. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w2up at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 09:06:07 2014 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 07:06:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54843597.8090506@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54843597.8090506@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <1417961167585-7595606.post@n2.nabble.com> With limited time and budget for K3 updates, priority should go to features that would be useful to the majority of owners. With no disrespect to those who use Ultimatic mode, programming the K3 would for should be WAY down on the list, if at all on the list. How many folks use Ultimatic mode - 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000? If that's your niche, continue to use your external keyer. Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Ubdate-tp7595525p7595606.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Sun Dec 7 09:11:40 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 06:11:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54845E80.20707@nycap.rr.com> References: <54845E80.20707@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Bad example Bill... If your car had a software update, chances are it would be available... I can wait on a P3 update... I would rather see K3 updates... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-12-07 at 09:04 -0500, W2BLC wrote: > I have a three year old Toyota RAV - it is a reasonably good car. > However, I went to the dealership the other day and looked at the newest > models. They have many updates that I would like on my car. Using the > logic shown regarding K3/P3 etc. updates - perhaps I should demand that > Toyota update my three year old car to the level of the newest model. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 09:26:33 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 08:26:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? In-Reply-To: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> References: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <70DC30E6-8A07-4DC5-870E-17C5672C6BD1@gmail.com> Hi Don, Good to hear of this. No it was built as a CW-only radio. I am making a list to send to Madelyn Monday. I kept the 100W PA that you saw a year ago. This radio will then have that PA on it in a few weeks (if I have time over the holidays hi hi) Frank KG9H On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > Do you have the KSB2 option installed in that K2? > If so, the SSB FL1 filter should be set to "OP1" instead of "2.2". > > If you do have the KSB2 option, look at the board. First check the markings on the crystals > If they are 4913-S you have the new crystals on that board. > Then see if there are capacitors in the CB and CN locations. If not, the width is the newer 2.4kHz, but if you do not have capacitors there, you can order the K2SSBCAPKT and change the width to 2.4kHz (or even 2.6kHz if your BFO range is sufficient). You must have the 4913-S crystals installed to take advantage of that increased filter width. > New KSB2 options come with capacitors for the 2.4kHz width. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/6/2014 9:09 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> OK, pondering this after listening on the K2 to SSB tonight?. Has anyone tried to align the SSB module to get something more then 2.2kHz? >> I was thinking of 2.4, 2.0, 1.7 as my filters when I get the SSB module. >> Frank KG9H >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> > From kd5byb at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 09:47:16 2014 From: kd5byb at gmail.com (Ben Hall) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 08:47:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Non-ham band upconverter use In-Reply-To: <70DC30E6-8A07-4DC5-870E-17C5672C6BD1@gmail.com> References: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> <70DC30E6-8A07-4DC5-870E-17C5672C6BD1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54846874.9000300@gmail.com> Good morning all, I'm toying with the idea of building an oven-stabilized LF upconverter for my KX3. Ideally, I'd want to move LF up to the 7 MHz band to keep the math easy and to put signals into a ham band where the KX3 more than likely performs its best. However, not many 7 MHz ovenized oscillators out there. So, more than likely, I'll have to move signals elsewhere. With the KX3 designed as a ham transceiver, I'd assume performance outside the ham bands isn't as good as in the ham bands. 1) Is this true? 2) Is there a preference for a non-ham band frequency range? IE: Is there any advantage to 10 MHz versus 5 MHz versus some other range? thanks much and 73, ben, kd5byb From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Dec 7 10:09:31 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:09:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54846DAB.1020608@nycap.rr.com> Sorry to disappoint David, but the majority of the updates actually involve firmware/software updates - involving the "convenience" factors of the vehicle. Hence, it is good example and stands. Bill W2BLC K-Line From nf4l at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 10:11:46 2014 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54845E80.20707@nycap.rr.com> References: <54845E80.20707@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1A3736D3-3144-4B1E-B1D5-F66277ACB0D5@comcast.net> If that is Toyota's business model, the yes, of course. It is Elecraft's model, so it's not unreasonable to expect it. It was a big part of my buying decision. 73, Mike NF4L > On Dec 7, 2014, at 9:04 AM, W2BLC wrote: > > I have a three year old Toyota RAV - it is a reasonably good car. However, I went to the dealership the other day and looked at the newest models. They have many updates that I would like on my car. Using the logic shown regarding K3/P3 etc. updates - perhaps I should demand that Toyota update my three year old car to the level of the newest model. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 7 10:16:07 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:16:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? In-Reply-To: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> References: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54846F37.6030304@socal.rr.com> Don, When reading this message last evening I looked at the Elecraft web site order page and could not find this K2SSBCAPKT (it was there when I looked in the Spring because I did a long print out of everything K2 related). Is it still available but no longer listed? 73, Phil W7OX On 12/7/14 5:03 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > Do you have the KSB2 option installed in that K2? > If so, the SSB FL1 filter should be set to "OP1" > instead of "2.2". > > If you do have the KSB2 option, look at the > board. First check the markings on the crystals > If they are 4913-S you have the new crystals on > that board. > Then see if there are capacitors in the CB and > CN locations. If not, the width is the newer > 2.4kHz, but if you do not have capacitors there, > you can order the K2SSBCAPKT and change the > width to 2.4kHz (or even 2.6kHz if your BFO > range is sufficient). You must have the 4913-S > crystals installed to take advantage of that > increased filter width. > New KSB2 options come with capacitors for the > 2.4kHz width. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/6/2014 9:09 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> OK, pondering this after listening on the K2 to >> SSB tonight?. Has anyone tried to align the SSB >> module to get something more then 2.2kHz? >> I was thinking of 2.4, 2.0, 1.7 as my filters >> when I get the SSB module. >> Frank KG9H From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 7 10:19:33 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:19:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <1417961167585-7595606.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54843597.8090506@david-woolley.me.uk> <1417961167585-7595606.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54847005.3040702@socal.rr.com> Good point, Barry. My external keyers generally have way more capability in other ways too (e.g., memories). And with the K3 using an external keyer makes good sense -- less so with a portable KX3. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/7/14 6:06 AM, Barry wrote: > With limited time and budget for K3 updates, priority should go to features > that would be useful to the majority of owners. > > With no disrespect to those who use Ultimatic mode, programming the K3 would > for should be WAY down on the list, if at all on the list. How many folks > use Ultimatic mode - 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000? If that's your niche, continue > to use your external keyer. > > Barry W2UP > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 7 10:21:24 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:21:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <54845E80.20707@nycap.rr.com> <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54847074.8010907@socal.rr.com> Perhaps -- but you may have to wait awhile for replacement of a Takata airbag :-) Phil W7OX On 12/7/14 6:11 AM, David Cole wrote: > Bad example Bill... If your car had a software update, chances are it > would be available... > > I can wait on a P3 update... I would rather see K3 updates... From dave at nk7z.net Sun Dec 7 10:23:20 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:23:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54846DAB.1020608@nycap.rr.com> References: <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54846DAB.1020608@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1417965800.7076.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I disagree, but I am not insane about it... :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Dec 7 10:33:49 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:33:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Spotting Systems Message-ID: I have resisted using spotting systems until now, preferring to hunt on my own. Somehow, being primordial seemed more authentic. But as the totals rise and the easy ones are in the bag, the listening time per new entity has gone up sharply. It seems , on a casual Internet search, that there are numerous systems out there. Does anyone have experience with more than one and so able to offer advice? If it matters, I operate exclusively CW and would need spotting notices by (ideally) e-mail or (workable) Web check-in - no texting and no VHF links. Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Dec 7 10:40:10 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:40:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer Message-ID: My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. Ted, KN1CBR >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:33:20 -0000 >From: "Ian White" >To: , >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate >Message-ID: <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Don W3FPR wrote: > >> >>A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include >>Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being >>considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as >>making the K3 internal keyer "incomplete" - only that other things need >>attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request >>for Ultimatic keying. >> From lists at subich.com Sun Dec 7 10:45:04 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:45:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54843597.8090506@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54843597.8090506@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <54847600.8050301@subich.com> > Any well timed twin paddle mode can be converted fairly easily. In > the case of ultimatic, it would seem that an SSI approach is quite > possible, but, if you have access to the source code, and a spare > pin, only a few extra lines will be needed on any microprocessor > based keyer. If one is considering added modes for the K3 keyer, one often overlooked mode that should be considered *in addition to* Ultimatic is CMOS Super Keyer/Logikeyer. One can think of Logikeyer as "Iambic C" ... In Iambic A the decision to add the opposite element is made at the *end* of the previous element. In Iambic B the decision to add the opposite element is made at the *beginning* of the previous element. In Iambic C (Logikeyer) the decision to add the opposite element is made at the end of the first *dit period* - the decision to add a dah is the same as Iambic A while the decision to add a dit occurs 1/3 of the way through the dah (a slightly relaxed Iambic B). > The bug mode is a different matter, because the dashes are, > essentially, straight keyed. However, if the K3 had bug mode added, > I'd also expect it to have straight key added, as the same problems > would have to be solved there. Since the K3 has separate paddle and straight key inputs, one might be able to use *two cables* with paddles to create a bug mode - connect the dit contact to the dit input (tip) of the paddle jack and connect the dah contact to the straight key input ... or just use a bug . Anyone want to try it (with a single lever paddle)? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-07 6:10 AM, David Woolley wrote: > Re first bottom quoted paragraph, Windows doesn't come with a fully paid > version of MS Word. It has Wordpad as its built in word processor. > There are differences in that Elecraft don't sell an standalone keyer, > but in my experience, multi-function products happen when marketing > departments cannot come up with any real innovations. > > Re the second quoted paragraph, this is basically not true, as for > example demonstrated by > . Any well timed > twin paddle mode can be converted fairly easily. In the case of > ultimatic, it would seem that an SSI approach is quite possible, but, if > you have access to the source code, and a spare pin, only a few extra > lines will be needed on any microprocessor based keyer. > > The bug mode is a different matter, because the dashes are, essentially, > straight keyed. However, if the K3 had bug mode added, I'd also expect > it to have straight key added, as the same problems would have to be > solved there. > > There seems to be an Arduino based open source keyer at > that > could, presumably, be adapted. > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 7 10:50:37 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Non-ham band upconverter use In-Reply-To: <54846874.9000300@gmail.com> References: <54846874.9000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1853848220.3852170.1417967437773.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100162.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There are a few of these available comercially. A very inexpensive one is made by Jackson Harbor PressThe one by Jackson Harbor uses 10 Mhz (http://wb9kzy.com/lfconv.htm) I plan on building another that uses an external 10 Mhz freq sourceso I can use the same DPS Disciplined Oscillator that I use for my K3. From: Ben Hall To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Non-ham band upconverter use Good morning all, I'm toying with the idea of building an oven-stabilized LF upconverter for my KX3.? Ideally, I'd want to move LF up to the 7 MHz band to keep the math easy and to put signals into a ham band where the KX3 more than likely performs its best. However, not many 7 MHz ovenized oscillators out there.? So, more than likely, I'll have to move signals elsewhere. With the KX3 designed as a ham transceiver, I'd assume performance outside the ham bands isn't as good as in the ham bands. 1)? Is this true? 2)? Is there a preference for a non-ham band frequency range?? IE:? Is there any advantage to 10 MHz versus 5 MHz versus some other range? thanks much and 73, ben, kd5byb ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sun Dec 7 10:54:05 2014 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 07:54:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Spotting Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use a combination of DXWatch and Reverse Beacon Network (RBN) which uses the DXWatch display engine. Both offer powerful filtering on mode, band, area and even a specific call. I don't know if they have email alerting or not. Good luck & DX. Brian, K0DTJ From dave at nk7z.net Sun Dec 7 10:55:26 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:55:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1417967726.7076.58.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I would like to second that! If I had to pick a single mod I wanted, that would be it for today... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-12-07 at 15:40 +0000, Dauer, Edward wrote: > My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:33:20 -0000 > >From: "Ian White" > >To: , > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate > >Message-ID: <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Don W3FPR wrote: > > > >> > >>A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include > >>Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being > >>considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as > >>making the K3 internal keyer "incomplete" - only that other things need > >>attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request > >>for Ultimatic keying. > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 7 11:24:23 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:24:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? In-Reply-To: <54846F37.6030304@socal.rr.com> References: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> <54846F37.6030304@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54847F37.2010208@embarqmail.com> OK, my error, the capacitor kit is SSBCAPKT If you need the updated crystals order E850093 for the set of 7 matched crystals. If you need the updated crystals for both the base K2 and the KSB2 order the matched set of 14 which is K2KSB2XTLS. The base K2 and KSB2 crystals do not have to be matched to each other, but the matched set of 14 is less cost than 2 times the set of 7. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/7/2014 10:16 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Don, > > When reading this message last evening I looked at the Elecraft web > site order page and could not find this K2SSBCAPKT (it was there when > I looked in the Spring because I did a long print out of everything K2 > related). > > Is it still available but no longer listed? > > 73, Phil W7OX > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 7 11:29:44 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:29:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Non-ham band upconverter use In-Reply-To: <54846874.9000300@gmail.com> References: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> <70DC30E6-8A07-4DC5-870E-17C5672C6BD1@gmail.com> <54846874.9000300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54848078.6060901@embarqmail.com> The math is even easier if you use a 10 MHz oscillator (just ignore the leading "1" in the frequency display). Several 10 MHz "frequency standards" exist if you want the stability of a GPS disciplined oscillator or a rubidium standard. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/7/2014 9:47 AM, Ben Hall wrote: > Good morning all, > > I'm toying with the idea of building an oven-stabilized LF upconverter > for my KX3. Ideally, I'd want to move LF up to the 7 MHz band to keep > the math easy and to put signals into a ham band where the KX3 more > than likely performs its best. > > However, not many 7 MHz ovenized oscillators out there. So, more than > likely, I'll have to move signals elsewhere. > > With the KX3 designed as a ham transceiver, I'd assume performance > outside the ham bands isn't as good as in the ham bands. > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 7 12:12:00 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 12:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB at something more then 2.2kHz? In-Reply-To: <70DC30E6-8A07-4DC5-870E-17C5672C6BD1@gmail.com> References: <5484502A.2030809@embarqmail.com> <70DC30E6-8A07-4DC5-870E-17C5672C6BD1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54848A60.6000902@embarqmail.com> Frank, You will get the new crystals with the KSB2 option, and the capacitors for the 2.4 kHz bandwidth. So all you have to order is the KSB2 option. I strongly recommend that you use Spectrogram for aligning the filters. For the OP1 filter (with the 2.4kHz width) set markers at 300 Hz and 2600 Hz and center the passband between those markers. For the FL2, FL3 and FL4 filters, you will be using the 5 pole filter on the K2 RF board. Use Spectrogram to set the actual width of the passband because the actual width is often much greater than that displayed by the K2. Set the lower frequency slope of the passband in the 300 to 500 Hz range to preserve intelligibility of the received signal as the filter width is reduced. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/7/2014 9:26 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: > Hi Don, > Good to hear of this. > No it was built as a CW-only radio. > I am making a list to send to Madelyn Monday. > I kept the 100W PA that you saw a year ago. > This radio will then have that PA on it in a few weeks (if I have time over the holidays hi hi) > Frank > KG9H > > From fritzejohn at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 12:45:23 2014 From: fritzejohn at gmail.com (John Fritze) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:45:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? Message-ID: I have a really dumb question: For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? -- John Fritze Jr K2QY k2qy at arrl.net ACACES president 2014 Albany County RACES Radio Officer ARES ENY DEC Northern District Hudson Div. Asst. Director Twitter: @k2qy 401 261 4996 (cell) From jalleninvest at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 12:48:32 2014 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:48:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe an even dumber question: Why do you need a bug mode? The radio doesn't know you are using a bug, or a straight key, does it? 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, John Fritze wrote: > I have a really dumb question: > > For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire > a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the > paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? > > -- > John Fritze Jr > K2QY > k2qy at arrl.net > ACACES president 2014 > Albany County RACES Radio Officer > ARES ENY DEC Northern District > Hudson Div. Asst. Director > Twitter: @k2qy > 401 261 4996 (cell) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jalleninvest at gmail.com > From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 13:06:44 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:06:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 In-Reply-To: <1FD31A42-E537-4A0B-9001-50AD06032798@portcredit.net> References: <1370960448171-7575063.post@n2.nabble.com> <1417914383501-7595573.post@n2.nabble.com> <9A0501DC5C2D464B9AC23D427A8E7E6B@pinnacle05df05> <1FD31A42-E537-4A0B-9001-50AD06032798@portcredit.net> Message-ID: <00CCB155-D533-4E79-B98E-E205EEEEF3D4@gmail.com> All this talk on the KX3 is getting me to think to post somewhere that I will trade my TS-480SAT for another KX3 hi hi. Frank KG9H On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Mike va3mw wrote: > Just about every forum is reporting this. It seems it is Codar used for measuring waves. > > http://www.codar.com/index.htm > > Mike va3mw > >> On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:24 PM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" wrote: >> >> Noise on 160 Meters >> >> It may have been there for a while, but last night and tonight, I just noticed a strange sweeping/buzzing noise on 160M, centered around 1915 kHz. It's definitely coming from outside my immediate location because it I just got off 1913 where it was reported to be S-9 in Wisconsin, Michigan & Tennessee. Looking at the panadapter & waterfall display on the Flex, it's about 30 kHz wide with a rep rate of about 3 CPS. It was S-9 late last night and early this morning, but barely audible at 0930 so I suspect it is propagation limited. >> >> The best way to listen is in AM mode, tuned to 1915 kHz in the evening. >> >> Anybody hear this at your location? >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "W9AKX" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 8:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft k3 & P3 AND Icom IC-7600 >> >> >>> I'm very interested I the K3/P3. I'm a neighbor in Williston on Levy St. >>> Please call me at 352.528.0992. Bruce W9AKX. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/For-Sale-Elecraft-k3-P3-AND-Icom-IC-7600-tp7575063p7595573.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Dec 7 13:08:22 2014 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:08:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <54849796.4010907@coho.net> Good Day, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 7 14:24:41 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:24:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Spotting Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5484A979.4060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/7/2014 7:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Does anyone have experience with more > than one and so able to offer advice? I use a combination of three programs. First, I use VE7CC's cluster software to set the cluster to send me what I want to see. I use DXKeeper for logging, and it's companion, Spot Collector to filter spots and display only those band-countries (or states, grids) that I need. All of these programs are free, mature (bug-free), and well supported. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 7 14:28:04 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:28:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5484AA44.5010601@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/7/2014 7:40 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. That feature came with my first memory keyers back in the 70s, which was a very big deal before the days of computer logging. 40 years later, why should Elecraft burn processor cycles doing something that every contest logging program does? 73, Jim K9YC From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Dec 7 14:39:16 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:39:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] DX Spotting Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1417981156348-7595631.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Ted, I believe they are all free. Try them all. My personal favorite is VE7CC. It's filtered data can be fed to contest logging software. And of course it can send alerts by text or e-mail. With version 3 (still free) you can have multiple profiles for different kinds of contests or operating styles. It is so good that you will want to add a 2nd monitor to your PC for it's sole use. 73, Mike K2MK Dauer, Edward wrote > I have resisted using spotting systems until now, preferring to hunt on my > own. Somehow, being primordial seemed more authentic. But as the totals > rise and the easy ones are in the bag, the listening time per new entity > has gone up sharply. It seems , on a casual Internet search, that there > are numerous systems out there. Does anyone have experience with more > than one and so able to offer advice? If it matters, I operate > exclusively CW and would need spotting notices by (ideally) e-mail or > (workable) Web check-in - no texting and no VHF links. Thanks in advance > . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/DX-Spotting-Systems-tp7595616p7595631.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From raysills3 at verizon.net Sun Dec 7 14:43:03 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:43:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer In-Reply-To: <5484AA44.5010601@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5484AA44.5010601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <9027409B-9B00-4535-A50A-787499E1FCEA@verizon.net> Or, consider the compact outboard device, the Ham Central Terminal, which will do that.. (generate serial numbers) as well as log QSOs. It's a lot smaller (and uses less power) than the smallest portable computer (or netbook). I have one, and find it very handy as an accessory for the KX3. Even if I get a PX3, I expect to keep the HCT, since it logs and has an extended display, which can hold up to 480 characters. And you can scroll back to view prior characters, while new data is added. Standard disclaimer: No connection, etc... just a happy customer. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,12/7/2014 7:40 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. > > That feature came with my first memory keyers back in the 70s, which > was a very big deal before the days of computer logging. 40 years > later, why should Elecraft burn processor cycles doing something > that every contest logging program does? > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From sjl219 at optonline.net Sun Dec 7 15:20:40 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:20:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer In-Reply-To: <9027409B-9B00-4535-A50A-787499E1FCEA@verizon.net> References: <5484AA44.5010601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <9027409B-9B00-4535-A50A-787499E1FCEA@verizon.net> Message-ID: <742208.16c6d0.14a2669432d.Webtop.53@optonline.net> Or consider the CW Machine which does more than any other product currently on the market, including contest serial numbers, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, mill function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and updates to eQSL and LoTW, and much more. ?Soon to be released - an enhancement that will permit fully automatic logging through parsing keywords. I use it with my KX3/KXPA100 and my station's Windows laptop. I couldn't live without it ;-) {Non-Standard Disclaimer: ?I own one, which I paid for, and I'm a friend of the inventor but not otherwise connected and I benefit in no way} 73, Stan WB2LQF? On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 02:43 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > Or, consider the compact outboard device, the Ham Central Terminal, > which will do that.. (generate serial numbers) as well as log QSOs. > It's a lot smaller (and uses less power) than the smallest portable > computer (or netbook). I have one, and find it very handy as an > accessory for the KX3. Even if I get a PX3, I expect to keep the HCT, > since it logs and has an extended display, which can hold up to 480 > characters. And you can scroll back to view prior characters, while > new data is added. > > Standard disclaimer: No connection, etc... just a happy customer. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Sun,12/7/2014 7:40 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. >> >> That feature came with my first memory keyers back in the 70s, which >> was a very big deal before the days of computer logging. 40 years >> later, why should Elecraft burn processor cycles doing something that >> every contest logging program does? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > From wes at triconet.org Sun Dec 7 16:14:11 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Spotting Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5484C323.9020206@triconet.org> Like you I resisted using spots for a long time. I wish I had all of the time back that I spent tuning the bands (pre bandscope too). It's still easier to work them before they are spotted and on occasion that still happens. One problem is, however, that many DX stations simply assume that they will be spotted and forgo identifying properly or announcing where they are listening. So even if you discover one of these without seeing spots, you can be clueless for a while as the DX station rips off "W7XYZ 5NN" for minutes on end. So I've resigned myself to looking at spots at times. That said, I'm not continually connected to any cluster but use web-based spots via dxscape.com. I use Firefox and set tabs on the toolbar for bands of interest. I just recently tried the new.dxsummit.fi and it's kind of neat in that it can be filtered and by clicking on a call, you are presented with QRZ.com and/or Clublog info, propagation info and a greyline map. I've tried tabbed browsing to set band filters, but it doesn't work as expected. You'll probably get s bunch of suggestions to connect to a cluster that will tune your radio, turn the beam, decode the station call, work him, update LoTW and make coffee while you browse the Internet. I still do all of that stuff myself. Wes N7WS On 12/7/2014 8:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I have resisted using spotting systems until now, preferring to hunt on my > own. Somehow, being primordial seemed more authentic. But as the totals > rise and the easy ones are in the bag, the listening time per new entity > has gone up sharply. It seems , on a casual Internet search, that there > are numerous systems out there. Does anyone have experience with more > than one and so able to offer advice? If it matters, I operate > exclusively CW and would need spotting notices by (ideally) e-mail or > (workable) Web check-in - no texting and no VHF links. Thanks in advance > . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 7 17:24:57 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Stahl via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:24:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? Message-ID: <96aa4.3f9db49d.41b62db9@aol.com> At the same time, I'd like to have a selection of "nothing" on at least the ring input of the key jack. (Actually my request is for the KX3, but I assume they work the same way.) With "Nothing" selected on the ring and "KEY" selected on the tip, the key input would be compatible with mono 1/8" plugs. 73 - Jim K8MR In a message dated 12/7/2014 5:19:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fritzejohn at gmail.com writes: I have a really dumb question: For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? -- John Fritze Jr K2QY From w0eb at cox.net Sun Dec 7 17:37:55 2014 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:37:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 external key jack (Was Bug mode on K3?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DBB8C60-F9FE-497D-BD39-4C0C9A2C3D73@cox.net> The K3 has a separate 1/4" mono jack for external keys but I agree, when the KX3's external (Key1) jack is set to HAND it would be nice to be able to use keys with a mono plug. I built an adapter cable with an eighth inch stereo right angle plug on one end and a 1/4" inline mono jack on the other end so I could plug in the same bug that I usually have plugged into the K3's external key jack. As it is now if you don't use a stereo plug, the rig keys as soon as you plug in the 1/8" mono plug. Jim - W0EB Sent from my iPad > On Dec 7, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > > At the same time, I'd like to have a selection of "nothing" on at least the > ring input of the key jack. (Actually my request is for the KX3, but I > assume they work the same way.) > > With "Nothing" selected on the ring and "KEY" selected on the tip, the key > input would be compatible with mono 1/8" plugs. > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2014 5:19:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fritzejohn at gmail.com writes: > > I have a really dumb question: > > For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire > a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the > paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? > > -- > John Fritze Jr > K2QY > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From Orville at rubyglass.com Sun Dec 7 18:01:05 2014 From: Orville at rubyglass.com (Orville) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:01:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System Message-ID: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other product currently available on the market, including contest serial number generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, rtty function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and updates to eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. 2 pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) 73, K5VWW From mnewton at grenfell.mun.ca Sun Dec 7 19:09:32 2014 From: mnewton at grenfell.mun.ca (Newton, Michael) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 00:09:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Spotting systems Message-ID: <7BF7DF20-1646-4A65-9D5C-57C5023663E3@grenfell.mun.ca> I use DXHeat www.dxheat.com It has a good filtering system so you can only see CW spots or whatever you choose. Also,when the KX3 is connected to the computer, I run N1MM logger with the telnet window open. This takes me straight to the frequency and sets the split if necessary. As a bonus I can also use the built in function keys that send basic CW messages. Mike VO1OK Corner Brook NL www.twitter.com/qrpham Sent from my iPad This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2011.php. From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Dec 7 19:44:01 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:44:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: I strongly recommend that you upgrade to Moleskine notebooks and Blackwing pencils. Contest logging deserves the best. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Orville wrote: > Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other product > currently available on the market, including contest serial number > generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, rtty > function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and updates to > eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. 2 > pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. > > (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which > currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) > > > > 73, > > K5VWW > From byron at n6nul.org Sun Dec 7 20:02:56 2014 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:02:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: Moleskine? Fooey. FieldNotesBrand.com all the way! :D 73, Byron N6NUL On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I strongly recommend that you upgrade to Moleskine notebooks and Blackwing pencils. Contest logging deserves the best. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Orville wrote: > >> Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other product >> currently available on the market, including contest serial number >> generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, rtty >> function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and updates to >> eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. 2 >> pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. >> >> (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which >> currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> K5VWW >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to byron at n6nul.org -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From pincon at erols.com Sun Dec 7 20:32:28 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 20:32:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: How about sealskins....from a REAL Silkie. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Servies" To: "Walter Underwood" Cc: "Elecraft" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System > Moleskine? Fooey. FieldNotesBrand.com all the way! > > :D > > 73, Byron N6NUL > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Walter Underwood > wrote: >> I strongly recommend that you upgrade to Moleskine notebooks and >> Blackwing pencils. Contest logging deserves the best. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >> >> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Orville wrote: >> >>> Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other >>> product >>> currently available on the market, including contest serial number >>> generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, >>> rtty >>> function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and >>> updates to >>> eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. 2 >>> pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. >>> >>> (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which >>> currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> K5VWW >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to byron at n6nul.org > > > > -- > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 7 21:03:33 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 18:03:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: <548506F5.9090200@socal.rr.com> Maybe you need a Livescribe pen so the logs can be handwritten and then digitized :-) http://www.livescribe.com/en-us/smartpen/ls3/ 73, Phil W7OX On 12/7/14 4:44 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I strongly recommend that you upgrade to Moleskine notebooks and Blackwing pencils. Contest logging deserves the best. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Orville wrote: > >> Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other product >> currently available on the market, including contest serial number >> generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, rtty >> function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and updates to >> eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. 2 >> pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. >> >> (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which >> currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> K5VWW From sjl219 at optonline.net Sun Dec 7 21:43:21 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:43:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: In January 2014 I took a look at my station - all that equipment, all those keys, all those cables -- lots of physical "stuff" between me and the ham radio I used to enjoy and almost as much software. All I really needed was my KX3, a wire antenna, pencil and paper and a bug or Cootie. So I put my CW Machine in a freezer bag and stuck it up on a shelf. ?I bought an ARRL paper log book and a fancy-schmantzy .5 mm lead pencil. ? I divorced myself from LoTW and eQSL and noted "QSL via Mail Only" on QRZ. Then I downloaded my HRD log and scratched HRD from my computer. ?Finally I moved the computer out of the shack. ?I was "Looking for an Echo" of my youth in the 60s; a simpler time. ?I was going to hand log all my contacts, exchange "real" QSL cards, only use my bug and 'swiper and turn my back on all the technology and interfaces that I held responsible for my discontent. Well, that lasted nine months. ?It was the biggest mistake I've ever made in ham radio. Thankfully, the CW Machine's non-volatile memory still contained my old log records and ARRL's LoTW Help Desk helped me get back into the fold. ?The computer is back in the shack and I'm now reconnected with the technology aids that really do add so much value and facility. The only "good" that came from this experience was the ultimate realization that it's not 1960 and I can't go home anymore. ?I'm stuck in the 21st Century whether I like it or not. 73, Stan WB2LQF On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 06:01 PM, Orville wrote: > Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other > product > currently available on the market, including contest serial number > generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, > rtty > function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and > updates to > eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. > 2 > pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. > > (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which > currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) > > > 73, > > K5VWW > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 7 22:07:59 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Stahl via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues Message-ID: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe 3:1. I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random wires. I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but the heat sink air flow is not blocked. Any thoughts? 73 - Jim K8MR From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Sun Dec 7 22:10:31 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 19:10:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54846DAB.1020608@nycap.rr.com> References: <1417961500.7076.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54846DAB.1020608@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <3CC0DDC0-6102-4EA1-9BC0-D05DC645902C@gmail.com> Recently a friend took a Ford Escape in for a safety recall, trannie firmware update (to resolve an issue that will eventually destroy the trannie) and a Sync update (original 5 year old version that doesn't meet the stated ability). The recall was free. The firmware updates were 5 minutes of computer time and $125 EACH. The problem with the trannie has TWO TSB's and is clearly Ford's fault. I'm sure if they could have charged for the safety recall (their fault) it would have been. Ford could learn about customer service from Elecraft and it reinforces why I'm happy I don't own a Ford. My GM updates have been free (except the Nav GPS, an expensive convenience). Elecraft has added new features as well as fine tuned earlier features resulting in an entire system that is simple to manage and easy to remote and plays well with other brands (SteppIR and more). Not many companies manage that. And all updates have been free, except when it requires additional hardware (like P3 SVGA). No one else does that. Ford results: safety improved; longevity improved; usefulness improved. $250 later, 2.5 hours at their shop rate, done in a half hour (but the vehicle must be there at dawn, maybe done by dinner). Good for Ford, not the consumer. Anyone at Elecraft want to take over Ford service? ;-) 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:09 AM, W2BLC wrote: > > Sorry to disappoint David, but the majority of the updates actually involve firmware/software updates - involving the "convenience" factors of the vehicle. Hence, it is good example and stands. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From n1al at sonic.net Sun Dec 7 22:27:09 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54851A8D.1010503@sonic.net> You can certainly do that, but when I've tried it in the past I found that the feel is totally different from a mechanical "bug" (semi-automatic key). To the point that I basically couldn't send with it. Alan N1AL On 12/07/2014 09:45 AM, John Fritze wrote: > I have a really dumb question: > > For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire > a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the > paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? > From n1al at sonic.net Sun Dec 7 22:28:13 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:28:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 external key jack (Was Bug mode on K3?) In-Reply-To: <6DBB8C60-F9FE-497D-BD39-4C0C9A2C3D73@cox.net> References: <6DBB8C60-F9FE-497D-BD39-4C0C9A2C3D73@cox.net> Message-ID: <54851ACD.6080108@sonic.net> Can't you just insert the plug to the first click so that the tip on the plug contacts the ring on the jack? Alan N1AL On 12/07/2014 02:37 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > The K3 has a separate 1/4" mono jack for external keys but I agree, when the KX3's external (Key1) jack is set to HAND it would be nice to be able to use keys with a mono plug. I built an adapter cable with an eighth inch stereo right angle plug on one end and a 1/4" inline mono jack on the other end so I could plug in the same bug that I usually have plugged into the K3's external key jack. > > As it is now if you don't use a stereo plug, the rig keys as soon as you plug in the 1/8" mono plug. > > Jim - W0EB > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 7, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: >> >> At the same time, I'd like to have a selection of "nothing" on at least the >> ring input of the key jack. (Actually my request is for the KX3, but I >> assume they work the same way.) >> >> With "Nothing" selected on the ring and "KEY" selected on the tip, the key >> input would be compatible with mono 1/8" plugs. >> >> 73 - Jim K8MR >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 12/7/2014 5:19:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> fritzejohn at gmail.com writes: >> >> I have a really dumb question: >> >> For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire >> a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the >> paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? >> >> -- >> John Fritze Jr >> K2QY >> From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 00:14:43 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:14:43 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> Message-ID: <99469C8B-9D7F-4990-A66E-BDD84A2C08F8@gmail.com> I had a similar issue earlier in the year, and there was a firmware fix for it, so I suggest you upgrade your KXPA100 to the latest firmware. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 8 Dec 2014, at 2:07 pm, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > > I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 > (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe 3:1. I > see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 VSWR > display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks of the > relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal the SWR is pretty > much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on the KX3. I've not > seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but rather several characters > into a CQ or exchange.. > > In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once > every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random wires. > I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from W1AW/8 in > WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW duty cycle > while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but the heat sink air > flow is not blocked. > > Any thoughts? > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From jackbrindle at me.com Mon Dec 8 00:19:29 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:19:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> Message-ID: <893AA2AA-2BD3-4B5C-999F-2EF64EC2EEE8@me.com> Check for something arcing in the antenna system at higher power. This would be something that heats up before the arcing starts, like maybe a grounding RF choke on a vertical or something similar. The worst feedline component for this is the cheap right-angle UHF adapter. The center conductors are not well made, and will bend and arc to the shell over time. This usually is a problem at powers higher than the KXPA puts out, but it can still happen. We see a lot of these, and it is rarely something in the ATU, although that is a possibility. This is also _very_ difficult to track down since it is usually inside something in the antenna system and thus well hidden. You would be looking for the tell-tale signs of slightly charred or smoked markings. What are the antennas in use for both bands? - Jack B, W6FB > On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > > I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 > (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe 3:1. I > see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 VSWR > display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks of the > relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal the SWR is pretty > much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on the KX3. I've not > seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but rather several characters > into a CQ or exchange.. > > In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once > every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random wires. > I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from W1AW/8 in > WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW duty cycle > while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but the heat sink air > flow is not blocked. > > Any thoughts? > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 8 00:32:09 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:32:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <893AA2AA-2BD3-4B5C-999F-2EF64EC2EEE8@me.com> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> <893AA2AA-2BD3-4B5C-999F-2EF64EC2EEE8@me.com> Message-ID: <548537D9.1090802@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/7/2014 9:19 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Check for something arcing in the antenna system at higher power. This would be something that heats > up before the arcing starts, like maybe a grounding RF choke on a vertical or something similar. The > worst feedline component for this is the cheap right-angle UHF adapter. The center conductors are not > well made, and will bend and arc to the shell over time. This usually is a problem at powers higher than > the KXPA puts out, but it can still happen. While I agree that these junk connectors can cause many problems that are difficult to track down, I'd be surprised to that spring overheating at 100W with a well matched antenna. 1kW, sure -- I had exactly that happen an hour into a contest running legal limit and calling CQ a lot. But I certainly agree about avoiding these junk connectors. If it doesn't say Amphenol or have a MIL-spec number stamped into it, it's junk, and has no place in our stations. It can only cause us grief. I know that from direct personal experience -- when I got back on the air in 2003 after a couple of decades off, I restocked my box of parts with all sorts of these el cheapo adapters -- Tees, barrels, BNC to UHF, to N, and so on. Over a period of three or four years, I experienced more than a half dozen flaky failures that were hard to track down, all due to those junk connectors. 73, Jim K9YC From ai6ii at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 03:08:56 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 01:08:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 30.53 KHz carrier pulses on 40 meters Message-ID: <1418026136192-7595650.post@n2.nabble.com> I have been noticing a 1 second on / 1 second off carrier at 30.53 KHz intervals on 40 meters. For instance I just captured a P3 screen showing the pulse at 6.97681, 7.03788, 7.06841 and 7.09894 MHz. At first I suspect a new switching power supply, but the signals are still there when running off a battery. Anyone know what this might be? I am puzzled. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-30-53-KHz-carrier-pulses-on-40-meters-tp7595650.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at davesergeant.com Mon Dec 8 05:56:33 2014 From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:56:33 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAF2 faulty In-Reply-To: <5483277B.20051.2158502@dave.davesergeant.com> References: <5483277B.20051.2158502@dave.davesergeant.com> Message-ID: <548583E1.3956.F777C3@dave.davesergeant.com> Further investigation shows the output of U4 78L06 regulator to be down to 1V. So it appears the 78L06 has failed and once I have found one I will change it. Thanks for the help. 73 Dave G3YMC On 6 Dec 2014 at 15:57, Dave Sergeant wrote: > My KAF2 has been working fine in my K2 for some years, not that I > actually use it that much. Today I came into the shack to find no audio > coming out of the K2 and when I tried to change the AFIL settings it > said 'not installed'. I cannot change the RTC menu settings either. > > I have moved S1 on the KAF2 to bypass it and all is working fine so it > seems there is a fault on the KAF2. The manual suggests this is a fault > with the microcontroller, which of course it may well be, but are there > any other known causes? I did think of the backup battery but not sure > if this would cause issues outside the RTC, it measures just over 3V so > a bit down. > http://davesergeant.com From arcticpeak at yahoo.no Mon Dec 8 08:16:49 2014 From: arcticpeak at yahoo.no (Martin Storli - LA8OKA) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Audio question K-2 In-Reply-To: <5A15E207-D319-46EF-BB80-DD8265DA2A6E@spfs.net> References: <5A15E207-D319-46EF-BB80-DD8265DA2A6E@spfs.net> Message-ID: <1781308173.7055056.1418044609227.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11139.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Tim.?My K2 had a very bad audio on transmitt until?I did the modifications listed in KI6WX John's document named "Improving the Performance of the KSB2"http://folk.uio.no/sverre/LA3ZA/blog/K2/KI6WX/modifications_to_the_ksb2.pdfhttp://www.qrpproject.de/Media/pdf/SSBModsUK.pdfSome of the modifications listen has been included by Elecraft.?The "Crystal Filter Bandwidth Modification" was not necessary to do on my K2.The "Improved 2nd Xtal Filter Flatness Modification" was not necessary to do on my K2.I did the "KSB2 Increased Gain Modification" as described. Please see below, it may make your K2 "wild".I did the "KSB2 Reduced Intermodulation Distortion Modification", this one seems to make wonders for the TX audio.The "PSK31 KSB2 ALC Time Constant Change" was not necessary to do on my K2.??Before these modifications I already had?replaced R9 with a 15 kohm resistor and inserted a 1 kohm resistor on the basis of Q1 on the KSB-module?to be able to control the output power of my K2 when used with the KPA100.http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-ALC-and-power-control-on-40m-SSB-in-K2-100-td5719064.html?After I did the KI6WX modifications the power control problem returned, this was solved with replacing the R98 with a 1kohm resistor.http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/Power_Control_Mod.htmlhttp://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2003-June/020096.html?Now I have a good sounding K2 and I'm able to fully control the output power.?Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm Fra: Tim Edmonson Til: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sendt: Fredag, 5. desember 2014 16.58 Emne: [Elecraft] Audio question K-2 I have a k2 and the original elecraft mic. I want to use it on 75 meters and rag chew a little during the winter months. Where should the mic setting and compression setting be to produce audio that is pleasant to listen too... I'm not interested at all in sounding like a broadcaster or trying to tailor my audio to every individuals liking. But- I do get told often that it sounds a little "pinched" up. I do run my k2/100 into an amp. Any help is appreciated Tim Edmonson Captain D's Area partner-Ky 270-978-1014 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Mon Dec 8 08:17:14 2014 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:17:14 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9@Paramount> Stan. I felt the same way, having returned to Ham Radio after 20 years away (shame on me!!!). I still feel the same way in some circumstances and I still hand write my QSOs and transfer to a computer log later. One reason for this is that I don't believe in using one media to prop-up another. i.e. The Internet to prop-up Ham Radio. Ham Radio is quite capable of standing on its own two feet, but it takes some work on our part. This seems to be part of the problem - the World is getting lazy. However, as in all things, progress must be made and I truly welcome such enhancements as DSP, high quality filters, transistors replacing tubes and my one major indulgence - an auto-tuner (apart from the one in my K3). I suppose that if all of this extra 'stuff' had been available in the very early days, we would all have accepted it as part of the scene and looked for new challenges to occupy our time. One of my immediate issues is that my shack is at present and old kitchen cabinet in a corner of my workshop and there's no room for computers and no hard-wired broadband. It's also getting too cold to be out there for long, so I'm moving everything indoors, but I have to finish building the purpose-built room first. Perhaps I will accept some of the "must have" add-ons more readily when there's space to lay them out where they're comfortable to use. One further issues is with keyers. Back in the days when I was very active, I built my own iambic paddle and keying circuitry. Having practised with that and used it for many years, I guess that the muscle memory is still with me, and I'm finding it quite difficult to reliably use a more up-to-date keyer in mode A. ( never liked mode B and dot stores anyway). It's probably purely a timing issue that I have to re-learn. My old keyer made the decision which dot or dash to send next right at the point that the previous character had finished sending and only if one or more paddles was still being held. There doesn't seem to be a modern equivalent. Mode A is the nearest, but seems to make the decision what to send next (or not at all) before the last character has finished sounding. My issue is in letting go one or more paddles at the correct time, which is in milliseconds, so that extra unwanted dits or dahs aren't sent. I really don't want to go back to a straight key, but it would seem that progress in this case is a hindrance. :-( 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: stan levandowski Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 2:43 AM To: Orville Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In January 2014 I took a look at my station - all that equipment, all those keys, all those cables -- lots of physical "stuff" between me and the ham radio I used to enjoy and almost as much software. All I really needed was my KX3, a wire antenna, pencil and paper and a bug or Cootie. So I put my CW Machine in a freezer bag and stuck it up on a shelf. I bought an ARRL paper log book and a fancy-schmantzy .5 mm lead pencil. I divorced myself from LoTW and eQSL and noted "QSL via Mail Only" on QRZ. Then I downloaded my HRD log and scratched HRD from my computer. Finally I moved the computer out of the shack. I was "Looking for an Echo" of my youth in the 60s; a simpler time. I was going to hand log all my contacts, exchange "real" QSL cards, only use my bug and 'swiper and turn my back on all the technology and interfaces that I held responsible for my discontent. Well, that lasted nine months. It was the biggest mistake I've ever made in ham radio. Thankfully, the CW Machine's non-volatile memory still contained my old log records and ARRL's LoTW Help Desk helped me get back into the fold. The computer is back in the shack and I'm now reconnected with the technology aids that really do add so much value and facility. The only "good" that came from this experience was the ultimate realization that it's not 1960 and I can't go home anymore. I'm stuck in the 21st Century whether I like it or not. 73, Stan WB2LQF On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 06:01 PM, Orville wrote: > Or possibly consider the method I use which does more than any other > product > currently available on the market, including contest serial number > generation, ultimatic keying, bug emulation, self-contained log book, rtty > function, call sign lookups to QRZ, automatic ADIF generation and updates > to > eQSL and LoTW, and much more, All this is through the wonder of my Nr. 2 > pencil and a Big Chief tablet in conjunction with my PC and K3. > > (This system does not require any software updates to my K-line which > currently exceeds all my needs and expectations.) > > > 73, > > K5VWW > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 8 08:22:07 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <3CC0DDC0-6102-4EA1-9BC0-D05DC645902C@gmail.com> References: <3CC0DDC0-6102-4EA1-9BC0-D05DC645902C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <707300281.2182964.1418044927208.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10628.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>>> it reinforces why I'm happy I don't own a Ford. <<<< >>>> My GM updates have been free (except the Nav GPS, an expensive convenience). <<<< " The recall was free.? The firmware updates were 5 minutes of computer time and $125 EACH.? The problem with the trannie has TWO TSB's and is clearly Ford's fault.? I'm sure if they could have charged for the safety recall (their fault) it would have been." Rick, GM's "NEGLIGENCE'S" has KILLED! This is a Documented Fact! >>>> ( an expensive convenience). <<< To: W2BLC Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate Recently a friend took a Ford Escape in for a safety recall, trannie firmware update (to resolve an issue that will eventually destroy the trannie) and a Sync update (original 5 year old version that doesn't meet the stated ability).? The recall was free.? The firmware updates were 5 minutes of computer time and $125 EACH.? The problem with the trannie has TWO TSB's and is clearly Ford's fault.? I'm sure if they could have charged for the safety recall (their fault) it would have been. Ford could learn about customer service from Elecraft and it reinforces why I'm happy I don't own a Ford.? My GM updates have been free (except the Nav GPS, an expensive convenience). Elecraft has added new features as well as fine tuned earlier features resulting in an entire system that is simple to manage and easy to remote and plays well with other brands (SteppIR and more).? Not many companies manage that.? And all updates have been free, except when it requires additional hardware (like P3 SVGA).? No one else does that. Ford results: safety improved; longevity improved; usefulness improved.? $250 later, 2.5 hours at their shop rate, done in a half hour (but the vehicle must be there at dawn, maybe done by dinner).? Good for Ford, not the consumer.? Anyone at Elecraft want to take over Ford service?? ;-) 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:09 AM, W2BLC wrote: > > Sorry to disappoint David, but the majority of the updates actually involve firmware/software updates - involving the "convenience" factors of the vehicle. Hence, it is good example and stands. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From hhoyt at mebtel.net Mon Dec 8 08:36:37 2014 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:36:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Muscle Memory Message-ID: <5485A965.7020909@mebtel.net> G4GNX wrote: >>I built my own iambic paddle and keying circuitry. >>Having practised with that and used it for many years, >>I guess that the muscle memory is still with me, >>and I'm finding it quite difficult to reliably use a more >>up-to-date keyer in mode A. Indeed! I recently restored a 1957 Vibroplex Original Standard (https://proaudioeng.com/1957-vibroplex-original-bug-restoration/) and was mystified why my call didn't sound right on it (other than my terrible fist, that is). After a few minutes I realized it was because I was sending the call I had in the 1970's, the last time I used a bug! I guess the adage "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" applies to me, because that old call still works it's way into exchanges despite weeks of practice, but I have never sent it once using my keyer... Howie - WA4PSC From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Dec 8 09:06:06 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:06:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] The New Millennium {only partly OT} Message-ID: Same ambivalence here. As to the sequential s/n capability in the K3 keyer which I asked about, one answer posted here noted that every logging program can do that. But that assumes the operator uses computer rig control. I don?t, for much the same reasons as those confessed below. Typing a CW transmission (and, Heaven forfend, electronic decoding) seems like sullying a sacred text. And as to the DX spotting systems, my thanks to all those who suggested their favorites - I tried one of them yesterday, added three new band-entities in less than an hour, and felt like I was shooting fish in a barrel. (No, I don?t have a KW and a Yagi - it?s a K3-KPA500 and an inverted fan vee hanging from a Ponderosa Pine - so there is still good sport in it.) On the other hand, I do love electronic keying, wish the K3 had sequential s/n, and have no interest in going back to a bug or a J-38. Note the call: I went from KN1CBR to K1CBR when I became a general in 1958, and took KN1CBR back many years after getting the Extra ? in a triumph of nostalgia over common sense. I guess we each choose what parts of which century to be hamming in. Ted, KN1CBR >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:17:14 -0000 >From: "G4GNX" >To: "Elecraft Reflector" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System >Message-ID: <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9 at Paramount> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=response > >Stan. > >I felt the same way, having returned to Ham Radio after 20 years away >(shame >on me!!!). > >I still feel the same way in some circumstances and I still hand write my >QSOs and transfer to a computer log later. One reason for this is that I >don't believe in using one media to prop-up another. i.e. The Internet to >prop-up Ham Radio. Ham Radio is quite capable of standing on its own two >feet, but it takes some work on our part. This seems to be part of the >problem - the World is getting lazy. However, as in all things, progress >must be made and I truly welcome such enhancements as DSP, high quality >filters, transistors replacing tubes and my one major indulgence - an >auto-tuner (apart from the one in my K3). > >I suppose that if all of this extra 'stuff' had been available in the >very >early days, we would all have accepted it as part of the scene and looked >for new challenges to occupy our time. > >One of my immediate issues is that my shack is at present and old kitchen >cabinet in a corner of my workshop and there's no room for computers and >no >hard-wired broadband. It's also getting too cold to be out there for >long, >so I'm moving everything indoors, but I have to finish building the >purpose-built room first. Perhaps I will accept some of the "must have" >add-ons more readily when there's space to lay them out where they're >comfortable to use. > >One further issues is with keyers. Back in the days when I was very >active, >I built my own iambic paddle and keying circuitry. Having practised with >that and used it for many years, I guess that the muscle memory is still >with me, and I'm finding it quite difficult to reliably use a more >up-to-date keyer in mode A. ( never liked mode B and dot stores anyway). >It's probably purely a timing issue that I have to re-learn. My old keyer >made the decision which dot or dash to send next right at the point that >the >previous character had finished sending and only if one or more paddles >was >still being held. There doesn't seem to be a modern equivalent. Mode A is >the nearest, but seems to make the decision what to send next (or not at >all) before the last character has finished sounding. My issue is in >letting >go one or more paddles at the correct time, which is in milliseconds, so >that extra unwanted dits or dahs aren't sent. I really don't want to go >back >to a straight key, but it would seem that progress in this case is a >hindrance. :-( > >73, > >Alan. G4GNX > >-----Original Message----- >From: stan levandowski >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 2:43 AM >To: Orville >Cc: Elecraft >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System > >In January 2014 I took a look at my station - all that equipment, all >those keys, all those cables -- lots of physical "stuff" between me and >the ham radio I used to enjoy and almost as much software. All I really >needed was my KX3, a wire antenna, pencil and paper and a bug or Cootie. > > >So I put my CW Machine in a freezer bag and stuck it up on a shelf. I >bought an ARRL paper log book and a fancy-schmantzy .5 mm lead pencil. >I divorced myself from LoTW and eQSL and noted "QSL via Mail Only" on >QRZ. Then I downloaded my HRD log and scratched HRD from my computer. >Finally I moved the computer out of the shack. I was "Looking for an >Echo" of my youth in the 60s; a simpler time. I was going to hand log >all my contacts, exchange "real" QSL cards, only use my bug and 'swiper >and turn my back on all the technology and interfaces that I held >responsible for my discontent. > > >Well, that lasted nine months. It was the biggest mistake I've ever >made in ham radio. > > >Thankfully, the CW Machine's non-volatile memory still contained my old >log records and ARRL's LoTW Help Desk helped me get back into the fold. >The computer is back in the shack and I'm now reconnected with the >technology aids that really do add so much value and facility. > > >The only "good" that came from this experience was the ultimate >realization that it's not 1960 and I can't go home anymore. I'm stuck >in the 21st Century whether I like it or not. > > >73, >Stan WB2LQF > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 8 10:37:18 2014 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:37:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:FS SR SDR for K3/CL buffer Message-ID: <5485C5AE.6040005@nc.rr.com> Softrock SDR @ K3 IF + Clifton Labs Z10000B buffer preamp. $50. + SHIP. Postal Money order only. Works fine. PIX available. 73 de Brian/K3KO From alan at wilcoxengineering.com Mon Dec 8 10:59:13 2014 From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, or Build your K2, KX1, and others? Message-ID: <5485CAD1.4010405@wilcoxengineering.com> Hello, Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2, K3, whatever? Does your K2 need a tuneup? I build and service them all! See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure -- are at http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago. Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) 570-478-0736 Williamsport, PA 17701 From breedenwb at cableone.net Mon Dec 8 11:09:09 2014 From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:09:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5485CD25.6020705@cableone.net> I have tried that, but (at least on my K3) there is a timing interaction between the paddle input and the straight key input that delays the first dah when crossing over from a dit to a dah in same character. There is no issue when crossing over from a dah to a dit. In other words, I could send a "B" just fine, but couldn't send "V". There maybe some adjustment I could have made, but I didn't pursue it. The delay I encountered isn't related to the semi break-in delay adjustment on the front panel. 73, Bill - NA5DX On 12/8/2014 7:17 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:45:23 -0500 > From: John Fritze > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have a really dumb question: > > For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire > a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the > paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? > > -- John Fritze Jr K2QY k2qy at arrl.net ACACES president 2014 Albany > County RACES Radio Officer ARES ENY DEC Northern District Hudson Div. > Asst. Director Twitter: @k2qy 401 261 4996 (cell) From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Dec 8 11:13:26 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 08:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: <5485CE26.3050301@foothill.net> Tried a CW NAQP not too long ago with a Hallicrafters SX-28 and a 40 meter ARC-5. I lasted 2 hours. The "Good Old Days" were less good than I thought I remembered. On 12/7/2014 6:43 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > In January 2014 I took a look at my station - all that equipment, all > those keys, all those cables -- lots of physical "stuff" between me and > the ham radio I used to enjoy and almost as much software. All I really > needed was my KX3, a wire antenna, pencil and paper and a bug or Cootie. > > So I put my CW Machine in a freezer bag and stuck it up on a shelf. I > bought an ARRL paper log book and a fancy-schmantzy .5 mm lead pencil. I > divorced myself from LoTW and eQSL and noted "QSL via Mail Only" on QRZ. > Then I downloaded my HRD log and scratched HRD from my computer. > Finally I moved the computer out of the shack. I was "Looking for an > Echo" of my youth in the 60s; a simpler time. I was going to hand log > all my contacts, exchange "real" QSL cards, only use my bug and 'swiper > and turn my back on all the technology and interfaces that I held > responsible for my discontent. > > Well, that lasted nine months. It was the biggest mistake I've ever > made in ham radio. From breedenwb at cableone.net Mon Dec 8 11:16:57 2014 From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:16:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5485CEF9.6020309@cableone.net> A real "bug" works fine works fine in the straight key jack, but some would like their paddles to send automatic dits and manual dahs like a bug. 73, Bill - NA5DX On 12/8/2014 7:17 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:48:32 -0600 From: Jim Allen > To: John Fritze Cc: > elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode > on K3? Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Maybe an even dumber question: > Why do you need a bug mode? The radio doesn't know you are using a > bug, or a straight key, does it? 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen On Sun, Dec 7, > 2014 at 11:45 AM, John Fritze wrote: >> >I have a really dumb question: >> > >> >For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to wire >> >a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to the >> >paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? >> > >> >-- >> >John Fritze Jr >> >K2QY >> >k2qy at arrl.net >> >ACACES president 2014 >> >Albany County RACES Radio Officer >> >ARES ENY DEC Northern District >> >Hudson Div. Asst. Director >> >Twitter: @k2qy >> >401 261 4996 (cell) From Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com Mon Dec 8 11:18:28 2014 From: Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com (Jim Kutsch, KY2D) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:18:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> Message-ID: <001201d01302$9a119410$ce34bc30$@ky2d.com> I'm experiencing the same thing but mostly on 40 meters where the best match with the ATU isn't as good as on other bands. It *SEEMS* to have started Saturday when I installed the latest KX3 beta and set compression to 20. The antenna is a Carolina Windham. 73, Jim, KY2D . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Stahl via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe 3:1. I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random wires. I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but the heat sink air flow is not blocked. Any thoughts? 73 - Jim K8MR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 12:33:39 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:33:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9@Paramount> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9@Paramount> Message-ID: <9E890840-37E3-4F7A-AD6D-A1A6C6A55198@gmail.com> Let's see... You're supporting making the contact, hand writing in the log details, taking the time to fill out, mail then wait for a returning QSL card all to fill your day. I submit that electronic logging, with automatic upload to services like LOTW, Clublog, QRZ and getting a near immediate return confirmation results in one huge benefit... I can get back to operating quicker to make more contacts (be it DX, a contest or a ragchew). It's simply a more efficient use of time, sometimes in places where time and numbers matter (like contests). It allows me to do more of what I want to do, operate. I also use a remotely controlled station, automatic antenna tuner and antenna switch and an instant on amplifier. I started with much less and I enjoy the reduced load on me so I can focus on different things and enjoy them more. I know I can manage with less but have no desire to return to my earlier stations. I look at it as combining my interests (and toys like computers, networks, radios) into ways that make things both complex to set up (any modern radio), but easier to use once that is completed. It has allowed me to do some super cool things such as having my morning cuppa while watching the sunrise on an Alaskan volcano while participating in the local 'old guy' net at home, several thousand miles away, thanks to the new technology I use. (I bluetooth audio to a laptop or iOS device and use the remote control features of my home station from the same device.) I can go back to old school, but at what cost in this example? In fairness, the 'new' method of logging and QSL isn't as elegant or personal as receiving a hand written card, akin to texting instead of mail or a phone call compared to email. I get that. But with the limited time we have in this place, I'll take the fun over the tedious. I'll leave the personal touches for the contact itself and hopefully recontact that station on several band/modes to develop a relationship over time. 73 es Happy Christmas, Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:17 AM, G4GNX wrote: > > Stan. > > I felt the same way, having returned to Ham Radio after 20 years away (shame on me!!!). > > I still feel the same way in some circumstances and I still hand write my QSOs and transfer to a computer log later. One reason for this is that I don't believe in using one media to prop-up another. i.e. The Internet to prop-up Ham Radio. Ham Radio is quite capable of standing on its own two feet, but it takes some work on our part. This seems to be part of the problem - the World is getting lazy. However, as in all things, progress must be made and I truly welcome such enhancements as DSP, high quality filters, transistors replacing tubes and my one major indulgence - an auto-tuner (apart from the one in my K3). > > I suppose that if all of this extra 'stuff' had been available in the very early days, we would all have accepted it as part of the scene and looked for new challenges to occupy our time. > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 14:10:12 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:10:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 "spike problem" Message-ID: My information may not apply to all ..... My PX3 is virtually free of the "spike problem". I say "virtually" because if I disconnect the KX3's antenna I can "sorta" see it, but it's really tiny. I live in an electrically quiet semi-rural area and this may be a reason that I see virtually no sign of the spike. I -do- have a florescent desk lamp (Ott-Lite) that will induce a small spike, but only when it's on. The light is about 6" from (above) the PX3. It may well be that many of you who are seeing the spike are seeing noise (?) originating within your home or neighborhood. FWIW ... 73! Ken - K0PP From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 8 14:36:10 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Guillermo Sobalvarro via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - KXPA100 problems Message-ID: <5485FDAA.4090004@yahoo.com> I am frequently getting a "COULD NOT SAVE PARAMETER" message when turning the select knob on the PX3 to QSY up or down. The display resets and the waterfall starts over from scratch. Sometimes it is almost right away when movement starts or after a long stretch. Seems to just happen at any aleatory time. Same on any band. Have firmware version 01.16 installed. Just reloaded it. This problem has been happening since I changed to version 01.16. Another thing now happening is that when I try to capture an image from the PX3 it fails, freezes the PX3 display and after a minute or so the KPAX100 shuts down and PA MODE goes to OFF. After that the PX3 display starts working again and I am able to capture the screen once more. If I turn PA MODE ON the amp comes on and if I try to capture an image again the whole process is repeated. I have re-done the cabling and all seems correctly connected. Any ideas? 73 de HK4KM - Guillermo From fcady at ece.montana.edu Mon Dec 8 15:01:14 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:01:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <001201d01302$9a119410$ce34bc30$@ky2d.com> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> <001201d01302$9a119410$ce34bc30$@ky2d.com> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430206@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> The SWR circuitry in the KXAT100 (and KAT500) measure the forward and reverse voltage values at different times. They cannot be measured simultaneously because they don't have dual A/D converters or sample-and-hold circuits. To be sure, there is only a short time between sampling the forward and reverse directions but if your output power is changing with time as it will with a high speed CW signals and more especially and more troublesomely with a SSB signal, the SWR metering may indicate an incorrect value. If you have the tuner in AUTO mode, this may trigger a retune. For this reason it is best to operate either of these tuners in MAN mode and train the tuner(s) to store good L-C values for different frequencies in each of your operational bands. The tuners store this information in "frequency buckets" and when they detect the frequency within that bucker they recall the L-C values and if they need to be changed they will be. Summary: Train the tuner so that it can remember the L-C values to use for a specific range of frequencies. Don't use AUTO mode; use MAN mode. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Jim Kutsch, KY2D > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:18 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues > > I'm experiencing the same thing but mostly on 40 meters where the best > match with the ATU isn't as good as on other bands. It *SEEMS* to have > started Saturday when I installed the latest KX3 beta and set > compression to 20. The antenna is a Carolina Windham. > > 73, Jim, KY2D > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Jim Stahl via Elecraft > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:08 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues > > I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 > (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe > 3:1. > I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 > VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks > of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal > the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on > the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but > rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. > > In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once > every > 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random > wires. > I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from > W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW > duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but > the heat sink air flow is not blocked. > > Any thoughts? > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Dec 8 16:37:44 2014 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:37:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430206@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> <001201d01302$9a119410$ce34bc30$@ky2d.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430206@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: Gentlemen, I will confirm Fred?s advice having just replaced an LDG AT-600Proll antenna tuner with the excellent Elecraft KAT500, assembled Friday. I?m running a KX3 into a KXPA100 into an Ameritron ALS-600S with lots of attention paid to SWR hygiene (since there is a tendency for one device to unbalance another device). On 20M, with nothing yet memorized on the KAT500, I methodically brought power up from 20 watts to 100 watts (barefoot), then backed off to 30 watts and engaged the ALS-600S, and all was good in a tune up to 600 watts. But, on SSB, at high power, those occasional voice spikes caused the KAT500 to trip an auto tune virtually every time. So, as Fred has suggested, allowing the KAT500 to memorize it?s best L and C values for those ?frequency buckets? and then operating the KAT500 in manual solved the issue. Seeing that, I spent some time finding each ?frequency bucket? on the 20M band, auto tuning each, memorizing that (you can cause setting to be memorized for any frequency using the KAT500 utility), and then operating with known values on the band. And I plan to do that for all other bands. Also built and installed the little SW2 meter which has a fabulous utility showing, in real time, power output and SWR. Further, it gives you the matched VSWR value vs. the unmatched. David A., KC0XT > On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > The SWR circuitry in the KXAT100 (and KAT500) measure the forward and reverse voltage values at different times. They cannot be measured simultaneously because they don't have dual A/D converters or sample-and-hold circuits. To be sure, there is only a short time between sampling the forward and reverse directions but if your output power is changing with time as it will with a high speed CW signals and more especially and more troublesomely with a SSB signal, the SWR metering may indicate an incorrect value. If you have the tuner in AUTO mode, this may trigger a retune. For this reason it is best to operate either of these tuners in MAN mode and train the tuner(s) to store good L-C values for different frequencies in each of your operational bands. The tuners store this information in "frequency buckets" and when they detect the frequency within that bucker they recall the L-C values and if they need to be changed they will be. > > Summary: > Train the tuner so that it can remember the L-C values to use for a specific range of frequencies. > Don't use AUTO mode; use MAN mode. > > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Jim Kutsch, KY2D >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:18 AM >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues >> >> I'm experiencing the same thing but mostly on 40 meters where the best >> match with the ATU isn't as good as on other bands. It *SEEMS* to have >> started Saturday when I installed the latest KX3 beta and set >> compression to 20. The antenna is a Carolina Windham. >> >> 73, Jim, KY2D >> . >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Jim Stahl via Elecraft >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:08 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues >> >> I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 >> (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe >> 3:1. >> I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 >> VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks >> of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal >> the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on >> the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but >> rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. >> >> In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once >> every >> 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random >> wires. >> I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from >> W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW >> duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but >> the heat sink air flow is not blocked. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> 73 - Jim K8MR >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Mon Dec 8 16:53:45 2014 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:53:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <9E890840-37E3-4F7A-AD6D-A1A6C6A55198@gmail.com> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9@Paramount> <9E890840-37E3-4F7A-AD6D-A1A6C6A55198@gmail.com> Message-ID: <026101d01331$71110350$533309f0$@STL-OnLine.Net> But, The memories are great. 73, Jim KG0KP -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Bates, WA6NHC Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:34 AM To: G4GNX Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System Let's see... You're supporting making the contact, hand writing in the log details, taking the time to fill out, mail then wait for a returning QSL card all to fill your day. I submit that electronic logging, with automatic upload to services like LOTW, Clublog, QRZ and getting a near immediate return confirmation results in one huge benefit... I can get back to operating quicker to make more contacts (be it DX, a contest or a ragchew). It's simply a more efficient use of time, sometimes in places where time and numbers matter (like contests). It allows me to do more of what I want to do, operate. I also use a remotely controlled station, automatic antenna tuner and antenna switch and an instant on amplifier. I started with much less and I enjoy the reduced load on me so I can focus on different things and enjoy them more. I know I can manage with less but have no desire to return to my earlier stations. I look at it as combining my interests (and toys like computers, networks, radios) into ways that make things both complex to set up (any modern radio), but easier to use once that is completed. It has allowed me to do some super cool things such as having my morning cuppa while watching the sunrise on an Alaskan volcano while participating in the local 'old guy' net at home, several thousand miles away, thanks to the new technology I use. (I bluetooth audio to a laptop or iOS device and use the remote control features of my home station from the same device.) I can go back to old school, but at what cost in this example? In fairness, the 'new' method of logging and QSL isn't as elegant or personal as receiving a hand written card, akin to texting instead of mail or a phone call compared to email. I get that. But with the limited time we have in this place, I'll take the fun over the tedious. I'll leave the personal touches for the contact itself and hopefully recontact that station on several band/modes to develop a relationship over time. 73 es Happy Christmas, Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:17 AM, G4GNX wrote: > > Stan. > > I felt the same way, having returned to Ham Radio after 20 years away (shame on me!!!). > > I still feel the same way in some circumstances and I still hand write my QSOs and transfer to a computer log later. One reason for this is that I don't believe in using one media to prop-up another. i.e. The Internet to prop-up Ham Radio. Ham Radio is quite capable of standing on its own two feet, but it takes some work on our part. This seems to be part of the problem - the World is getting lazy. However, as in all things, progress must be made and I truly welcome such enhancements as DSP, high quality filters, transistors replacing tubes and my one major indulgence - an auto-tuner (apart from the one in my K3). > > I suppose that if all of this extra 'stuff' had been available in the very early days, we would all have accepted it as part of the scene and looked for new challenges to occupy our time. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net From w1ksz at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 17:06:44 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <026101d01331$71110350$533309f0$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9@Paramount> <9E890840-37E3-4F7A-AD6D-A1A6C6A55198@gmail.com> <026101d01331$71110350$533309f0$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <548620F4.3020003@earthlink.net> How about waiting 3 years for the card for a new one from Box 88 !! 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/8/2014 2:53 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > But, The memories are great. 73, Jim KG0KP > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick > Bates, WA6NHC > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:34 AM > To: G4GNX > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ultimate System > > Let's see... You're supporting making the contact, hand writing in the log > details, taking the time to fill out, mail then wait for a returning QSL > card all to fill your day. > > I submit that electronic logging, with automatic upload to services like > LOTW, Clublog, QRZ and getting a near immediate return confirmation results > in one huge benefit... I can get back to operating quicker to make more > contacts (be it DX, a contest or a ragchew). It's simply a more efficient > use of time, sometimes in places where time and numbers matter (like > contests). It allows me to do more of what I want to do, operate. > > I also use a remotely controlled station, automatic antenna tuner and > antenna switch and an instant on amplifier. I started with much less and I > enjoy the reduced load on me so I can focus on different things and enjoy > them more. I know I can manage with less but have no desire to return to my > earlier stations. > > I look at it as combining my interests (and toys like computers, networks, > radios) into ways that make things both complex to set up (any modern > radio), but easier to use once that is completed. It has allowed me to do > some super cool things such as having my morning cuppa while watching the > sunrise on an Alaskan volcano while participating in the local 'old guy' net > at home, several thousand miles away, thanks to the new technology I use. > (I bluetooth audio to a laptop or iOS device and use the remote control > features of my home station from the same device.) I can go back to old > school, but at what cost in this example? > > In fairness, the 'new' method of logging and QSL isn't as elegant or > personal as receiving a hand written card, akin to texting instead of mail > or a phone call compared to email. I get that. But with the limited time > we have in this place, I'll take the fun over the tedious. I'll leave the > personal touches for the contact itself and hopefully recontact that station > on several band/modes to develop a relationship over time. > > 73 es Happy Christmas, > Rick, WA6NHC > > iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > >> On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:17 AM, G4GNX wrote: >> >> Stan. >> >> I felt the same way, having returned to Ham Radio after 20 years away > (shame on me!!!). >> I still feel the same way in some circumstances and I still hand write my > QSOs and transfer to a computer log later. One reason for this is that I > don't believe in using one media to prop-up another. i.e. The Internet to > prop-up Ham Radio. Ham Radio is quite capable of standing on its own two > feet, but it takes some work on our part. This seems to be part of the > problem - the World is getting lazy. However, as in all things, progress > must be made and I truly welcome such enhancements as DSP, high quality > filters, transistors replacing tubes and my one major indulgence - an > auto-tuner (apart from the one in my K3). >> I suppose that if all of this extra 'stuff' had been available in the very > early days, we would all have accepted it as part of the scene and looked > for new challenges to occupy our time. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 17:32:20 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:32:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <548620F4.3020003@earthlink.net> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> <5FCA608A72BE47C4B2FA555823D8EDE9@Paramount> <9E890840-37E3-4F7A-AD6D-A1A6C6A55198@gmail.com> <026101d01331$71110350$533309f0$@STL-OnLine.Net> <548620F4.3020003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6EB44FA3-1506-4A41-82A1-CFDC3EAC9A77@gmail.com> But on the day it FINALLY arrives.... oh happy day! Great memories, but things always look better when looking back. ;o) Just like I don't want to chop firewood to cook a meal or heat the house... I'm not in as good shape but conveniences leave more time to do fun things and the extra padding is insulation. ;o) Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > > How about waiting 3 years for the card for a new one from Box 88 !! > > 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ > > >> On 12/8/2014 2:53 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> But, The memories are great. 73, Jim KG0KP >> From ki4txp at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 17:50:32 2014 From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 won't TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all for the help and suggestions for my no TX on the K3 The problem was the mike on my head set. Thanks again all On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:36 PM, JAY wrote: > Hi Folks, > I brought my K3 to Florida for the winter. I turned it on and it won't TX > RX is fine except for the QRN nothing I can do about that. > Any ideas for the TX problem? > > -- > 73 > > KI4TXP JAY > -- 73 KI4TXP JAY From n0sa at att.net Mon Dec 8 17:55:37 2014 From: n0sa at att.net (N0SA) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:55:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> Message-ID: <1418079337306-7595672.post@n2.nabble.com> That is one of the great parts of this hobby.There is a bit of something for everyone. I personally spend more time building and experimenting than actually operating on the air. I prefer to keep my operating very simple as in CW only. I have tried many of the other modes but I like the simplicity of CW. The only QSLing I do is to return ones that I get. I tried a computer connected to my radios but prefer not to have one connected. I do not contest or keep track of DX contacts. I just enjoy making CW contacts and that is enough for me. I enjoy the hobby very much, in my own way. That is just my choice of operating style, right and wrong doesn't enter into the equation. Enjoyment is what it is all about, sometimes we forget that it is a hobby and there are many other things in life much more important than Ham radio. Now, back to my cave to build something. 73's to all Larry n0sa -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Ultimate-System-tp7595637p7595672.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:05:28 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:05:28 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430206@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <9adf8.556e5998.41b6700f@aol.com> <001201d01302$9a119410$ce34bc30$@ky2d.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430206@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: It's not just that, a varying signal can also cause the amp's internal frequency counter to misread your current frequency. If the amp thinks you moved frequency, it can tickle the ATU. The "frequency counter inertia" adjustment in the latest firmware addresses this issue very effectively, and my amp/ATU has been a rock-solid performer since loading that latest KXPA100 firmware release. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 9 Dec 2014, at 7:01 am, Cady, Fred wrote: > > The SWR circuitry in the KXAT100 (and KAT500) measure the forward and reverse voltage values at different times. They cannot be measured simultaneously because they don't have dual A/D converters or sample-and-hold circuits. To be sure, there is only a short time between sampling the forward and reverse directions but if your output power is changing with time as it will with a high speed CW signals and more especially and more troublesomely with a SSB signal, the SWR metering may indicate an incorrect value. If you have the tuner in AUTO mode, this may trigger a retune. For this reason it is best to operate either of these tuners in MAN mode and train the tuner(s) to store good L-C values for different frequencies in each of your operational bands. The tuners store this information in "frequency buckets" and when they detect the frequency within that bucker they recall the L-C values and if they need to be changed they will be. > > Summary: > Train the tuner so that it can remember the L-C values to use for a specific range of frequencies. > Don't use AUTO mode; use MAN mode. > > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Jim Kutsch, KY2D >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:18 AM >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues >> >> I'm experiencing the same thing but mostly on 40 meters where the best >> match with the ATU isn't as good as on other bands. It *SEEMS* to have >> started Saturday when I installed the latest KX3 beta and set >> compression to 20. The antenna is a Carolina Windham. >> >> 73, Jim, KY2D >> . >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Jim Stahl via Elecraft >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:08 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues >> >> I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 >> (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe >> 3:1. >> I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 >> VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks >> of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal >> the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on >> the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but >> rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. >> >> In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once >> every >> 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random >> wires. >> I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from >> W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW >> duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but >> the heat sink air flow is not blocked. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> 73 - Jim K8MR >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From w2lj at verizon.net Mon Dec 8 18:19:17 2014 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:19:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Tuesday Night Message-ID: <875996.4819.bm@smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> NAQCC Sprint Tuesday night! The Decmeber sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (December 9th, EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday, December 10th, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201411.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 for NAQCC http://naqcc.info/ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Dec 8 18:21:53 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:21:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <1418079337306-7595672.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> <1418079337306-7595672.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54863291.1090703@socal.rr.com> Same here, Larry re building and experimenting. Oddly, as computer focused as I am -- three in the shack and two in the house, with OS X (release and beta), Win 7, Win 8.1 and Linux -- I seldom use one in ham radio, expect when operating PSK31. Maybe one of these days I'll make it into the 21st century, ham-wise :-) Phil W7OX On 12/8/14 2:55 PM, N0SA wrote: > That is one of the great parts of this hobby.There is a bit of something for > everyone. > I personally spend more time building and experimenting than actually > operating on the air. > I prefer to keep my operating very simple as in CW only. I have tried many > of the other modes but I like the simplicity of CW. The only QSLing I do is > to return ones that I get. I tried a computer connected to my radios but > prefer not to have one connected. I do not contest or keep track of DX > contacts. I just enjoy making CW contacts and that is enough for me. I enjoy > the hobby very much, in my own way. > That is just my choice of operating style, right and wrong doesn't enter > into the equation. > Enjoyment is what it is all about, sometimes we forget that it is a hobby > and there are many other things in life much more important than Ham radio. > Now, back to my cave to build something. > 73's to all > Larry > n0sa From km6cq at km6cq.com Mon Dec 8 18:35:55 2014 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:35:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues Message-ID: Mine does the same thing all the time, so much that I do not like to using the tuner any longer. I confirmed it was tuner in the amp by operating into a dummy load. Its does it into the dummy load on CW and SSB. I have not said anything, thinking an update will be pushed out and the problem will disappear. In the meantime I use the KAT500. Its all to frustrating to be in a QSO and have it act up. It kind of behaves like the KAT500 did before they upgraded the firmware. I am sure they will get around to taking care of it. 73, Dan KM6CQ I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe 3:1. I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random wires. I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but the heat sink air flow is not blocked. Any thoughts? 73 - Jim K8MR -- KM6CQ Dan Baker www.km6cq.com @danielbaker DM09dn SKCC: 8260 NAQCC: 6817 QSL via LoTW, eQSL, & Direct. D-Star REF014C From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 8 18:39:10 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 beta firmware rev. 2.30: More effective speech compression; 2m/4m CW & SSB improvements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59A6DA92-83D6-48D6-BF74-F3A414E85DC2@elecraft.com> KX3 rev. 2.30 is now available for beta test (see release notes below). A number of KX3 owners field-tested this release, and nearly all reported significantly improved SSB speech compression. Those who use CW or SSB modes with the internal KX3-2M or -4M module have confirmed improved CW timing and higher SSB power output. Instructions for loading beta firmware can be found on our KX3 firmware page: http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm NOTE 1: If you don't see the new releases on our web site, it's probably because your browser has cached an older page. Just hit your browser's "refresh" button (usually a circular arrow icon). NOTE 2: Turn off your PX3 (if applicable) when doing KX3 firmware loads. This requirement will be eliminated in future versions of KX3 Utility. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * MCU 2.30 / DSP 1.32, 12-03-2014 ? SPEECH COMPRESSION IMPROVED: Corrected internal DSP stage gain, resulting in higher output levels with compression turned on. ? 2-M/4-M SSB POWER OUTPUT IMPROVED: Max power output improved with and without speech compression turned on. Note: The KX3 will automatically reduce 2-m/4-m power output if safe levels of SWR, current, or temperature are exceeded. (You?ll see HI SWR, HI CUR, or HI TEMP flashed on the VFO B display.) This is more likely to happen when heavy speech compression is used, or when using a whip connected directly to the radio. We recommend reducing power to 2 to 2.5 W as required in this case to avoid the automatic power rollbacks or RFI problems. ? 2-M/4-M CW TIMING IMPROVED: Dot length is now more consistent. ? 4-M/6-M DIRECT FREQ ENTRY FIXED: Direct frequency entry to 6 or 4 meters now works correctly with a KX3-4M module installed. From karlerb7 at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 18:43:15 2014 From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (KarlErb) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:43:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Tuesday Night In-Reply-To: <875996.4819.bm@smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <875996.4819.bm@smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D6BF73D-49FE-4695-A22E-1B6556CC9BE2@gmail.com> Y'all have prompted me finally to comment at last on the KX3 new ham question. I bought a K2 7 or 8 years ago because my interests focussed on electronics and building things. Was a good decision for me as I eased back into our ways after 40 years being too busy earning a living. People like me who like to roll their own might think about considering the K2 in competition with the others offerings out there. It's a quality instrument supported by a host of willing Elecraft mentors. Discovering how things have changed since the mid-1950's has been exhilarating for this retiree. Karl W3BF, former KN2RKR and k2RKR Karl Erb 5253 Strathmore Ave Kensington, MD 20895 301 456 6212 Karl Erb 5253 Strathmore Ave Kensington, MD 20895 301 456 6212 > On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Larry Makoski wrote: > > NAQCC Sprint Tuesday night! > > The Decmeber sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (December 9th, > EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM), > which translates as Wednesday, December 10th, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases. > > For all the "official" information, please go to: > > http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201411.html > > There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important > information. > > Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX > for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the > GAIN antenna category. > > Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. > > This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight > key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you > must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. > > If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints > running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the > newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran > contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help > you make your contacts. > > If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your > chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ > members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the > NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, > with your membership number on it, which is good for life. > > Come join us and have a real good time! > > 72/73 de Larry W2LJ > NAQCC #35 > > for NAQCC > http://naqcc.info/ > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to karlerb7 at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 8 18:39:49 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:39:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?OT_-_30=2E53_KHz_carrier_pulses_on_40_meters?= In-Reply-To: <1418026136192-7595650.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418026136192-7595650.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <261269.53966.bm@smtp231.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Re: I have been noticing a 1 second on / 1 second off carrier at 30.53 KHz intervals on 40 meters. My washing machine does something very similar to this. The source is very obvious since the carriers rise up and down in time with the washing machine agitator motion. I?m not saying that is what you are hearing, but it just shows that EMI is not a priority for modern appliance designers. It is the first time that I have had a washing machine that has been the source of an EMI problem. I haven?t spent much time trying to figure out how to eliminate it since hitting the washing machine OFF button makes it go away. It was nice of the manufacturer to add that feature ;-) Mark, KE6BB From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 19:06:09 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:06:09 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53C2675D-197E-4650-A0A3-BBE36C5E8D32@gmail.com> Are you running the latest KXPA100 firmware (v1.32)? If so, and you are still experiencing problems, then contact the Elecraft support team. Even though those guys are very efficient, they can't fix problems they don't know about. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 9 Dec 2014, at 10:35 am, Dan Baker wrote: > > Mine does the same thing all the time, so much that I do not like to using > the tuner any longer. > I confirmed it was tuner in the amp by operating into a dummy load. Its > does it into the dummy load on CW and SSB. I have not said anything, > thinking an update will be pushed out and the problem will disappear. In > the meantime I use the KAT500. Its all to frustrating to be in a QSO and > have it act up. It kind of behaves like the KAT500 did before they upgraded > the firmware. I am sure they will get around to taking care of it. > > 73, Dan KM6CQ > > > I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 > (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe > 3:1. I > see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the KX3 VSWR > display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several clicks of the > relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When normal the SWR is > pretty > much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED lit on the KX3. I've not > seen it happen at the start of a transmission, but rather several > characters > into a CQ or exchange.. > > In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once > every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random > wires. > I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from W1AW/8 in > WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW duty cycle > while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but the heat sink > air > flow is not blocked. > > Any thoughts? > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > -- > KM6CQ > Dan Baker > www.km6cq.com > @danielbaker > DM09dn > SKCC: 8260 NAQCC: 6817 > QSL via LoTW, eQSL, & Direct. > D-Star REF014C > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From fcady at ece.montana.edu Mon Dec 8 19:12:00 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:12:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430246@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Are you using AUTO or MAN mode? You should be using MAN mode after training the tuner. Cheers, Fred KE7X > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Dan Baker > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:36 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues > > Mine does the same thing all the time, so much that I do not like to > using the tuner any longer. > I confirmed it was tuner in the amp by operating into a dummy load. Its > does it into the dummy load on CW and SSB. I have not said anything, > thinking an update will be pushed out and the problem will disappear. > In the meantime I use the KAT500. Its all to frustrating to be in a QSO > and have it act up. It kind of behaves like the KAT500 did before they > upgraded the firmware. I am sure they will get around to taking care of > it. > > 73, Dan KM6CQ > > > I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 > (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe > 3:1. I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the > KX3 VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several > clicks of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When > normal the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED > lit on the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a > transmission, but rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. > > In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once > every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random > wires. > I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from > W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW > duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but > the heat sink air flow is not blocked. > > Any thoughts? > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > -- > KM6CQ > Dan Baker > www.km6cq.com > @danielbaker > DM09dn > SKCC: 8260 NAQCC: 6817 > QSL via LoTW, eQSL, & Direct. > D-Star REF014C > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 19:20:17 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:20:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5485CEF9.6020309@cableone.net> References: <5485CEF9.6020309@cableone.net> Message-ID: Well.... It would be extremely hard to duplicate the "feel" and timing of a mechanical bug in anything electronic. The application of timing from the dit side on a bug is NOT linear with the code speed. The time interval to move the bar from not ditting to the point where it does dit is FIXED without any relationship to dit speed. Also the delay varies depending on how hard you hit the bug with your thumb. Then once the bar is moved to ditting, thereafter it dits at the speed based on the placement of the weight. There also is a difficult to predict minor additional delay because the end of the weighted bar does not move immediately, but with the buildup of tension in the bending point of the bar. If that were not enough, my Vibroplex has seven different adjustments that will vary one or the other or all of these mechanical delays. Anyone who ever learned to send perfect tape machine code with a bug simply got used to those delays and accommodated for them unconsciously in their wrist and thumb movement. Those who did not accommodate had an immediately recognizable "swing" to their "fist". Also, in the "fist" discussion, there were many that sent dits at one speed and dahs at another. The resulting sent CW was as easily recognizable at anyone's voice. On a mechanical bug, a B would send differently than a V, because the the dit pressure in the B would have to be advanced in timing to prevent a too long spacing between the dah and the first dit. Since the dah is a simple mechanical press, the dits are uncousciously started whenever they need to. In the V, the correct space between the last dit and the dah is easy. Someone whose muscle memory had the unconscious adjustment for all the mechanical issue, now using an uncompensated electronic device would find themselves overwriting the opening dah of the B with the dits, now being sent too soon. IMHO, someone who goes from operating a real mechanical bug to some electronic rube goldberg is going to stumble all over it because the programming to allow dits at one speed and dahs at another WITH the fixed bar movement delay, etc, is an expenditure of commercial funds that ain't gonna happen in a for-profit enterprise. Those of you who want to program an electronic bug WITH the appropriate mechanical biases employed, you go right ahead with your own time and money. Some of us will test it for you and see if it FEELS or SENDS like a bug. Then someone tell me we should put that firmware in a K3 because ??? 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Bill Breeden wrote: > > A real "bug" works fine works fine in the straight key jack, but some > would like their paddles to send automatic dits and manual dahs like a bug. > > 73, > > Bill - NA5DX > > On 12/8/2014 7:17 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > >> Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:48:32 -0600 From: Jim Allen < >> jalleninvest at gmail.com> To: John Fritze Cc: >> elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on >> K3? Message-ID: > Ypz9JQi2NBww at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> Maybe an even dumber question: Why do you need a bug mode? The radio >> doesn't know you are using a bug, or a straight key, does it? 73 de W6OGC >> Jim Allen On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM, John Fritze < >> fritzejohn at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >I have a really dumb question: >>> > >>> >For those that want a "bug mode" on the K3, why is it not possible to >>> wire >>> >a set of paddles (or even a single lever keyer) with the dot going to >>> the >>> >paddles input and the dash going to the straight key input? >>> > >>> >-- >>> >John Fritze Jr >>> >K2QY >>> >k2qy at arrl.net >>> >ACACES president 2014 >>> >Albany County RACES Radio Officer >>> >ARES ENY DEC Northern District >>> >Hudson Div. Asst. Director >>> >Twitter: @k2qy >>> >401 261 4996 (cell) >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From km6cq at km6cq.com Mon Dec 8 19:22:46 2014 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:22:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430246@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430246@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: I am running the latest firmware. And it does it in manual mode also. Maybe Elecraft does need to see it. Dan On Monday, December 8, 2014, Cady, Fred wrote: > Are you using AUTO or MAN mode? You should be using MAN mode after > training the tuner. > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ] > On Behalf Of > > Dan Baker > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:36 PM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Intermittent VSWR Issues > > > > Mine does the same thing all the time, so much that I do not like to > > using the tuner any longer. > > I confirmed it was tuner in the amp by operating into a dummy load. Its > > does it into the dummy load on CW and SSB. I have not said anything, > > thinking an update will be pushed out and the problem will disappear. > > In the meantime I use the KAT500. Its all to frustrating to be in a QSO > > and have it act up. It kind of behaves like the KAT500 did before they > > upgraded the firmware. I am sure they will get around to taking care of > > it. > > > > 73, Dan KM6CQ > > > > > > I've run into several occasions where in mid-CW transmission my KXPA100 > > (with internal tuner) SWR takes a momentary jump from matched to maybe > > 3:1. I see the SWR jump on both the KXPA front panel LEDs and on the > > KX3 VSWR display. It lasts for maybe half a second, I hear several > > clicks of the relays in the tuner, and them it's back to normal. When > > normal the SWR is pretty much 1:1 on the KX3, and the second green LED > > lit on the KX3. I've not seen it happen at the start of a > > transmission, but rather several characters into a CQ or exchange.. > > > > In the ARRL 160 contest Saturday night this was happening perhaps once > > every 2-3 minutes. I'm using a fairly well matched antenna - not random > > wires. > > I also encountered this problem on 15 meters when operating from > > W1AW/8 in WV in October. In both cases I was running a pretty high CW > > duty cycle while running at a pretty good clip. The amp was warm, but > > the heat sink air flow is not blocked. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > > > > > > -- > > KM6CQ > > Dan Baker > > www.km6cq.com > > @danielbaker > > DM09dn > > SKCC: 8260 NAQCC: 6817 > > QSL via LoTW, eQSL, & Direct. > > D-Star REF014C > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu > -- KM6CQ Dan Baker www.km6cq.com @danielbaker DM09dn SKCC: 8260 NAQCC: 6817 QSL via LoTW, eQSL, & Direct. D-Star REF014C From w3sb at ptd.net Mon Dec 8 19:56:32 2014 From: w3sb at ptd.net (w3sb) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:56:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <54812879.9090502@embarqmail.com> References: <941863374.13028469.1417742661412.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> <54812879.9090502@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1705731396.15255606.1418086592463.JavaMail.zimbra@ptd.net> Got it going OK now. I had to reboot the router for the settings to take. Tnx to Don and Joe for their input. 73, Monty W3SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilhelm" To: "w3sb" , Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy Monty, You apparently do not have enough audio going into the K3. You mention an external soundcard as well as a microKEYER interface (the microKEYER does include an external soundcard). So do you have the correct soundcard specified in your software application(s) and is that soundcard connected to the K3 line-in and line-out jacks? The K3 does have internal isolation transformers on the line-in and line-out jacks, so you can use the ASUS soundcard alone with no problems and not depend on the isolation provided in the microKEYER. If instead you wish to use the microKEYER soundcard, you must tell your software application to use that soundcard and setup the microKEYER for line level output (rather than microphone level) as instructed in the microHam documentation. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2014 8:24 PM, w3sb wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to get on PSK31 with a new Windows 7 64-bit computer. I've read the owner's and Cady manuals, checked and re-checked the settings and still no joy. The setup is the K3, ASUS Xonar U7 external sound card, microKEYER interface and FLdigi. Basically I have no power output and no ALC indication. Receive is OK. Here are the K3 settings: > > MODE=DATA A > MIC SEL=LINE IN > VOX=ON > VOX GN=50 > LINE=40 > PWR=20 > > In FLdidi: > PortAudio checked > CAPTURE=LINE(Xonar U7) > PLAYBACK=SPEAKERS(Xonar U7) > > In FLdigi if I start a message, PTT turns on OK but turning the MIC(LINE) knob has no effect and there is no power out (Bird watt meter). When a message is started, if I look in the CONTROL PANEL > SOUND, I see modulation via the Playback (Speakers) bar graph at the 60% level. > > I have the setup working on RTTY with MMTTY just fine but PSK is giving me fits. Suggestions are certainly welcome! > > 73, Monty W3SB > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 20:18:24 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 12:18:24 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] New PSK set up - no joy In-Reply-To: <5481AF22.4040800@nycap.rr.com> References: <548111D2.1020801@subich.com> <5481AF22.4040800@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <9A90B7F6-11CE-4695-9DDE-2B48760A1254@gmail.com> I do a bit of digital modes on the KX3, and it was a bit of a pain swapping between SSB/CW and the PC, until I set it up with an audio switch (for TX), mixer (for RX) and wrote some a couple of macros to toggle the menu settings between the different modes. For the K3, it would be simpler, since you get separate line in/line out connections. Having said that, a lot of the time for general rag chewing I'll just jump over to the K2, which is all set up with paddle/microphone ready to go :-) So I understand your position. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 6 Dec 2014, at 12:12 am, W2BLC wrote: > > I spent a bunch of time and effort setting up my K3 for PSK and RTTY - with only mediocre success - followed by setting up the same K3 with my Signalink USB - also with questionable results. I followed many threads here - reading some really good information and a few insults. I did not become part of the threads due to the latter. > > The biggest problem I had was going from digital back to SSB. I always had to keep a list of the menu changes needed. Generally, I operate 95% SSB and the rest on digital or CW. Hence, it was not worth my time to switch back and forth. It was too complicated. > > Instead, I now run the Signalink USB with my TS-480. Set the Signalink up for the 480 and got the wire to plug it into the 480. Then I made a couple of quick settings on the Signalink and all is good. Now when I want to do digital - I turn the 480 on, turn the Signalink on, set mode to USB and select the frequency - no other changes to anything. Power output is controlled by drive from the Signalink (I just know someone is going to ask). When I want to change back to voice - I pick up the mic and talk - no changes to anything. > > Now I can leave the K3 alone and not disturb all my menu settings that optimize my SSB operation. Probably not the answer anyone is looking for - but, it sure works for me. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From heartdoc at nwtcc.com Mon Dec 8 20:46:09 2014 From: heartdoc at nwtcc.com (James C. Hall, MD) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:46:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Controlled envelope SSB Message-ID: <85E22EDA-F284-401F-957C-1B30B912F440@nwtcc.com> I found a most recent article in QEX on controlled envelope SSB most interesting in that it could yield close to 3dB in power by eliminating the overshoots in filters, etc. I know contesters are always looking for the next 3dB they could attain and certainly this could help DX'ers and ragchewer's alike. It said in the article that Flex Radio has already started to experiment and program their radios for this. I was just wondering if this was a possibility for the K3 ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL Sent from my iPad From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 8 21:16:27 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:16:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting Discussion... Message-ID: <1418091387.7076.98.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> There is an interesting discussion going on in the HAMLIB Developers group about Elecraft serial ports. See: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hamlib-developer -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Dec 8 21:31:16 2014 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:31:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting Discussion... In-Reply-To: <1418091387.7076.98.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1418091387.7076.98.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <20141209023116.GG23765@n0nb.us> * On 2014 08 Dec 20:19 -0600, David Cole wrote: > There is an interesting discussion going on in the HAMLIB Developers > group about Elecraft serial ports. > > See: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hamlib-developer The serial discussion centers around a recent patch set that made some changes to the Hamlib (not all caps :) low-level serial port source code for Windows, but nothing to do with the ports in the radios themselves. No need to start a long thread about serial ports, again! The Elecraft specific portion was regarding shutting off the auto-transceive capability when Hamlib initializes the radio. The Hamlib function to do so had never been tested so it had a small bug that needed fixed. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From doug at ellmore.net Mon Dec 8 22:49:41 2014 From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:49:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] filter settings macro for VFO B Message-ID: I am trying to develop a macro to set the filter and IF shift for the subreceiver in the K3 (and maybe KX3). I have for example the 2.8k filter in subreceiver b, but want to set the dsp to say less for cw when RX split or in diversity situations. I looks like the from the programmers reference for the IF shift, which needs to be used for adjusting the filter it is as follows: IS Command: SET/RSP format: IS*nnnn; where * is a space, and nnnn is the AF center frequency (Fc) in Hz Compare this to the command for the RF gain: RF Gain Command: SET/RSP format: RGnnn; or RG$nnn; See the dollar sign? I understand that designates that you are adjusting the subreceiver. It is missing in the command that I need to use to adjust the IF shift. It is replaced with a space. There should be an IF$ command but there isn't. I also want to set the width of the dsp filter. Some folks have said that ther hardware cannot do this. The work around is to manually adjust the main receiver A bandwidth manually and then do a>b, qsy the b receiver and then readjust the main receiver bandwidth. Any suggestions on the macro? TU in advance! -- Doug NA1DX doug at ellmore.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Dec 9 00:56:49 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:56:49 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? Message-ID: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> I received a K1EL K14 Keyer in the mail from Joel, W4BBJ, who offered it to me when I reported having trouble learning to use my paddle with Iambic keying (using the k3 internal keyer). The K14 offers six keying modes: 1- Iambic-A 2- Iambic-B 3- Ultimatic 4- straight key 5- Dit priority 6- Dash priority Not sure I would ever use the last two, but I am eager to try out Ultimatic mode to see if it feels more natural for me. The plus is 12 programable messages, two callsign memories, beacon mode, programmable delays, message stacking, etc. etc. with no computer. I'll be able to store five standard eme messages with additional memory left. I can see it running my 6m in beacon and my 10-GHz beacon with no extra hardware. Big plus was the two radio connections so I can have both my Bencher and straight key available for either K3 or KX3 at the throw of a switch. Loving it already ;-) Thanks to Joel for the nice offer - and it looks quite nicely assembled! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 01:27:31 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 08:27:31 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: <5485CEF9.6020309@cableone.net> Message-ID: <04241B40-B8CE-426E-B0A7-F0340C7EDA8B@gmail.com> And don't forget the tactile feedback provided to your fingers by the momentum of the weight and the arm swinging back and forth. I suspect that those who want this haven't a clue about actually using a mechanical bug. Vic K2VCO/4X6GP > On Dec 9, 2014, at 2:20 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Well.... > > It would be extremely hard to duplicate the "feel" and timing of a > mechanical bug in anything electronic. The application of timing from the > dit side on a bug is NOT linear with the code speed. The time interval to > move the bar from not ditting to the point where it does dit is FIXED > without any relationship to dit speed. Also the delay varies depending on > how hard you hit the bug with your thumb. Then once the bar is moved to > ditting, thereafter it dits at the speed based on the placement of the > weight. > > There also is a difficult to predict minor additional delay because the end > of the weighted bar does not move immediately, but with the buildup of > tension in the bending point of the bar. > > If that were not enough, my Vibroplex has seven different adjustments that > will vary one or the other or all of these mechanical delays. > > Anyone who ever learned to send perfect tape machine code with a bug simply > got used to those delays and accommodated for them unconsciously in their > wrist and thumb movement. Those who did not accommodate had an immediately > recognizable "swing" to their "fist". Also, in the "fist" discussion, there > were many that sent dits at one speed and dahs at another. The resulting > sent CW was as easily recognizable at anyone's voice. > > On a mechanical bug, a B would send differently than a V, because the the > dit pressure in the B would have to be advanced in timing to prevent a too > long spacing between the dah and the first dit. Since the dah is a simple > mechanical press, the dits are uncousciously started whenever they need to. > In the V, the correct space between the last dit and the dah is easy. > Someone whose muscle memory had the unconscious adjustment for all the > mechanical issue, now using an uncompensated electronic device would find > themselves overwriting the opening dah of the B with the dits, now being > sent too soon. > > IMHO, someone who goes from operating a real mechanical bug to some > electronic rube goldberg is going to stumble all over it because the > programming to allow dits at one speed and dahs at another WITH the fixed > bar movement delay, etc, is an expenditure of commercial funds that ain't > gonna happen in a for-profit enterprise. > > Those of you who want to program an electronic bug WITH the appropriate > mechanical biases employed, you go right ahead with your own time and > money. Some of us will test it for you and see if it FEELS or SENDS like a > bug. Then someone tell me we should put that firmware in a K3 because ??? > > 73, Guy K2AV From tabn4tb at centurylink.net Tue Dec 9 06:29:52 2014 From: tabn4tb at centurylink.net (Terry Burkholder) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:29:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message-ID: <5486DD30.10506@centurylink.net> Is there any way to use tones other than 2125 to receive RTTY signals? I can no longer hear frequencies that high. I know the FT-1000 MP has a menu option to select lower tones for RTTY RX. I can't find any menu option in the K3 that allows you to change the RX tones. 73 Terry N4TB From wes at triconet.org Tue Dec 9 06:42:00 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 04:42:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY In-Reply-To: <5486DD30.10506@centurylink.net> References: <5486DD30.10506@centurylink.net> Message-ID: <5486E008.4090806@triconet.org> Sure. Use the "Pitch" control. Be sure to make a commensurate change in the RTTY program; both TX and RX. Wes N7WS On 12/9/2014 4:29 AM, Terry Burkholder wrote: > Is there any way to use tones other than 2125 to receive RTTY signals? I can > no longer hear frequencies that high. I know the FT-1000 MP has a menu option > to select lower tones for RTTY RX. I can't find any menu option in the K3 that > allows you to change the RX tones. > > 73 Terry N4TB > ______________________________________________________________ From w2up at comcast.net Tue Dec 9 08:18:30 2014 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 06:18:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1418131110652-7595694.post@n2.nabble.com> Dauer, Edward wrote > My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. > > Ted, KN1CBR Does that mean you're paper logging your contests? Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Keyer-tp7595617p7595694.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From 7s7v at comhem.se Tue Dec 9 08:47:39 2014 From: 7s7v at comhem.se (7s7v at comhem.se) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:47:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144) Message-ID: <28302384.42670.1418132860336.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Hello, Does anyone have compare KX3 vs. K3 on 2m with XV-144? Pros/ cons on either combo? 73' Samir, sm7vzx From clive at thelortons.co.uk Tue Dec 9 08:53:38 2014 From: clive at thelortons.co.uk (Clive Lorton) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:53:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Buffered output. Message-ID: <5486FEE2.9080502@thelortons.co.uk> Hi, Is the IF output (which I believe is already buffered) on my K3 sn 8K+ suitable to use with a Softrock or should I use an external amp. Many thanks Clive G8POC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 9 09:51:42 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? Message-ID: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as is available form the IF) From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 9 09:58:28 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 09:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Buffered output. In-Reply-To: <5486FEE2.9080502@thelortons.co.uk> References: <5486FEE2.9080502@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: <54870E14.2080405@embarqmail.com> Clive, The K3 IF output is indeed buffered. However, you may need a preamp in front of the Softrock which will also provide reduced chance that the Softrock oscillator will be fed back into the K3 IF. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 8:53 AM, Clive Lorton wrote: > Hi, > Is the IF output (which I believe is already buffered) on my K3 sn 8K+ > suitable to use with a Softrock or should I use an external amp. > Many thanks Clive G8POC From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Tue Dec 9 10:04:16 2014 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 15:04:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144) In-Reply-To: <28302384.42670.1418132860336.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <28302384.42670.1418132860336.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <7X7YM8Bw9whUFwFV@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> In a recent message, "7s7v at comhem.se" <7s7v at comhem.se> writes >Does anyone have compare KX3 vs. K3 on 2m with XV-144? > >Pros/ cons on either combo? Yes, Samir, I have used both. I like the KX3 and its internal 2m option. The receiver is very sensitive and as it uses a 50MHz i.f. it covers the whole of the 2m band (up to 148MHz) comfortably. However, the main drawback is that the power output on 2m is only about 3.5W and somewhat less when using internal batteries. When using the K3 and XV144 combination, with an i.f. of 28MHz the bandwidth is limited so it can only be used up to 146MHz. The power output is up to 20W SSB and CW or half that power on AM/FM and data modes. One answer is to install the K144XV which switches crystals for 144-146 and 146-148MHz. However, the power is limited to around 10W on any mode. Hence, all three systems have their pros and cons. I hope that helps. Doubtless others will comment. 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From pincon at erols.com Tue Dec 9 10:06:17 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:06:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <864BC24E29F0474CBC07CF0B0DC74496@pinnacle05df05> Yes, hopefully when the "Sensor Input" is activated. That would be the cat's meow or "cool", for you 60's types. 73, Chs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? > Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much > as is available form the IF) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 9 10:23:35 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 10:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option. I do not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the reflector. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as is available form the IF) > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Dec 9 11:17:32 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 08:17:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK: New algorithm ready for test that has virtually no AF artifacts Message-ID: Hi all, The latest field-test firmware includes a new CW QSK algorithm that completely eliminates the K3's audio keying artifacts sometimes heard on a noisy or crowded band. With this algorithm selected, your own transmitted signal sounds like just another signal on the band. If you're an avid CW operator and would like to try this new firmware, please email me directly. I'll also send you the technical background on this change. After we get confirmation that this works for K3 users, we'll be making the same change to the KX3. 73, Wayne N6KR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 9 11:46:26 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54872762.3040202@socal.rr.com> I have the K1EL K42, Ed. Built it last Spring for the fun of it as much as anything. It was a very nice kt and the final product seems excellent. This thread title has been making me chuckle a bit: How often do hams ask for bugs in their equipment? :- So I have a weird sense of humor :-) Phil W7OX On 12/8/14 9:56 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I received a K1EL K14 Keyer in the mail from > Joel, W4BBJ, who offered it to me when I > reported having trouble learning to use my > paddle with Iambic keying (using the k3 internal > keyer). > > The K14 offers six keying modes: > 1- Iambic-A > 2- Iambic-B > 3- Ultimatic > 4- straight key > 5- Dit priority > 6- Dash priority > > Not sure I would ever use the last two, but I am > eager to try out Ultimatic mode to see if it > feels more natural for me. > > The plus is 12 programable messages, two > callsign memories, beacon mode, programmable > delays, message stacking, etc. etc. with no > computer. I'll be able to store five standard > eme messages with additional memory left. > > I can see it running my 6m in beacon and my > 10-GHz beacon with no extra hardware. > Big plus was the two radio connections so I can > have both my Bencher and straight key available > for either K3 or KX3 at the throw of a switch. > Loving it already ;-) > > Thanks to Joel for the nice offer - and it looks > quite nicely assembled! > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Tue Dec 9 11:58:56 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:58:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer In-Reply-To: <1418131110652-7595694.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418131110652-7595694.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1418144336.8561.9.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Ouch... Good thought! Back to the computer for me. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 06:18 -0700, Barry wrote: > Dauer, Edward wrote > > My vote would be for an on-board contest serial number capability. > > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > Does that mean you're paper logging your contests? > Barry W2UP > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Keyer-tp7595617p7595694.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 9 12:29:32 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 09:29:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144) In-Reply-To: <7X7YM8Bw9whUFwFV@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> References: <28302384.42670.1418132860336.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <7X7YM8Bw9whUFwFV@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <5487317C.4030206@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,12/9/2014 7:04 AM, David G4DMP wrote: > When using the K3 and XV144 combination, with an i.f. of 28MHz the > bandwidth is limited so it can only be used up to 146MHz. The power > output is up to 20W SSB and CW or half that power on AM/FM and data > modes. I'm using that combination. I believe that it has the greatest frequency stability of the three. Frequency stability is the shortcoming of the KX3 with it's internal transverter, and can be an issue with JT65. One way to overcome that is to use an external amplifier that can be driven at lower power. I managed to find a vintage Mirage that drives to 150W from 2W. 73, Jim K9YC From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Dec 9 13:53:31 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:53:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 30.53 KHz carrier pulses on 40 meters In-Reply-To: <261269.53966.bm@smtp231.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1418026136192-7595650.post@n2.nabble.com> <261269.53966.bm@smtp231.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1418151211686-7595706.post@n2.nabble.com> I have eliminated all sources from inside the house/shack. I turned off the AC mains and ran the K3/P3 on battery. The signals were still there, a strong S6. I will have to devise a way to sniff a round the neighborhood. I have only found the pulses on 40 meters, but there are nine of them within 7.0 to 7.3 MHz. Only two are in the first 48 KHz of the band. I guess I can live with losing 7.007 and 7.037 MHz, it's just a bit irritating! ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-30-53-KHz-carrier-pulses-on-40-meters-tp7595650p7595706.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 9 15:14:17 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:14:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now. Stay tuned! Eric elecraft.com On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option. I do > not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect > it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the > reflector. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as >> is available form the IF) >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From 7s7v at comhem.se Tue Dec 9 15:22:40 2014 From: 7s7v at comhem.se (Samir Popaja) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:22:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 (IF for XV144) Message-ID: <000201d013ed$e2146a30$a63d3e90$@comhem.se> The output isn't problem and I only need to cover 144-145MHz, I'm only interested in contesting on 2m, CW/SSB. I'm actually interested in sensitivity and strong signal rejection. 73' Samir, sm7vzx --- Detta epostmeddelande inneh?ller inget virus eller annan skadlig kod f?r avast! antivirus ?r aktivt. http://www.avast.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue Dec 9 15:26:48 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? Message-ID: Alright. ..................... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft"
Date:12/09/2014 3:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: don at w3fpr.com,Harry Yingst ,Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?
We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now. Stay tuned! Eric elecraft.com On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option. I do > not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect > it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the > reflector. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as >> is available form the IF) >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Dec 9 15:46:08 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:46:08 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? Message-ID: <201412092046.sB9Kk8J3019212@denali.acsalaska.net> Phil, You got a chuckle with your comment. Probably even more "humorous" is that I am not a "CW guy", so why am I buying a keyer?? Well, I did start out ham radio on CW as a Novice (KN8MWA) mainly 40m, so I am not totally a "CW virgin" ;-) But I struggled to pass my 13wpm test before the FCC and essentially let life overcome my further efforts for the next 24 years (college/career...). So after moving to Alaska in fall of 1979 and getting my first sled dog in 1980, dog mushing captured my interest so that I signed in 1982 up to run an Iditarod Sled Dog Race ham station in a remote check point on the trail - what fun! But there was a hitch - check points scattered over 1200 miles of trail used 80/40m to communicate with HQ in Anchorage. I had to get my General Class - had six months to get up to 13wpm! With the use of cassette tapes (remember those?) I passed my 13wpm test at the Anchorage FCC Office and decided to take my Advanced (AL7EB) test and passed it, too. But after passing the test I still was not a CW op. 1998 I decided to do "moon-bounce" (eme) and what was used? Uhuh = CW. Fortunately, I obtained my first pc in 1996 and there was a keyboard CW program so I did not have to send by hand (only had my original Novice straight key). But receiving super-weak CW is still by ear! 15-18wpm is favored for eme. 2010 I bought my K3 and decided to buy a paddle (Bencher-2) to try automatic CW and made a royal mess of that! I reverted to the old straight key (though I got rusty after all the years of nonuse). So I am actually going to try out the "bug" mode with the keyer. Push one way string of dots, push back and get string of dashes. I will not send faster than 18wpm so that ought to work OK. Let you know how it goes after a couple weeks! ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: I waited until 2000 to upgrade to Extra after CW requirement was lowered to 13wpm. Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:26 -0800 From: Phil Wheeler To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? Message-ID: <54872762.3040202 at socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I have the K1EL K42, Ed. Built it last Spring for the fun of it as much as anything. It was a very nice kt and the final product seems excellent. This thread title has been making me chuckle a bit: How often do hams ask for bugs in their equipment? :- So I have a weird sense of humor :-) Phil W7OX 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From dezrat at outlook.com Tue Dec 9 16:41:21 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 13:41:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 30.53 KHz carrier pulses on 40 meters In-Reply-To: <1418151211686-7595706.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418026136192-7595650.post@n2.nabble.com> <261269.53966.bm@smtp231.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1418151211686-7595706.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:53:31 -0700 (MST), you wrote: >I have eliminated all sources from inside the house/shack. I turned off the >AC mains and ran the K3/P3 on battery. The signals were still there, a >strong S6. I will have to devise a way to sniff a round the neighborhood. I >have only found the pulses on 40 meters, but there are nine of them within >7.0 to 7.3 MHz. Only two are in the first 48 KHz of the band. I guess I can >live with losing 7.007 and 7.037 MHz, it's just a bit irritating! ..mike >AI6II REPLY: I had something very similar several years ago. Turned out to be a battery charger for a golf cart about a hundred yards from my house. I found it by snooping around with a portable short wave radio. When I contacted the maker of the charger they were very cooperative and fixed it promptly. Fortunately the homeowner was also cooperative and didn't mind me snooping around his house. 73, Bill W6WRT From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 9 17:50:21 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:50:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <201412092046.sB9Kk8J3019212@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412092046.sB9Kk8J3019212@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> Ed, I think you will have a better time with Ultimatic mode than Bug mode - especially with dual lever paddles. Actually it is about the same - close the dit side and get a string of dits, then close the dah side (even if the dit side is still closed) and you get a string of dahs. In other words, the last lever closed determines whether there is a string of dits or dahs. It still allows dit and dah inserting - for instance with a "K" start with the dah paddle, then before the dah is complete, tap the dit paddle quickly (leaving the dah paddle closed) - the dit will be inserted between the two dahs - just have to remove fingers from both paddles after the last dah. With Bug mode, there is no relationship between the dits and dahs, except that the dahs are manually formed. The timing relationship is difficult because you have to do it audiably from the sidetone rather than depending on the tactile feedback that one gets with a real bug. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 3:46 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > > 2010 I bought my K3 and decided to buy a paddle (Bencher-2) to try > automatic CW and made a royal mess of that! I reverted to the old > straight key (though I got rusty after all the years of nonuse). > > So I am actually going to try out the "bug" mode with the keyer. Push > one way string of dots, push back and get string of dashes. I will not > send faster than 18wpm so that ought to work OK. > From sjl219 at optonline.net Tue Dec 9 18:20:07 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:20:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question Message-ID: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list should be able to answer for me: How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3? I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the connecting cables longer. ?I ?need this information to figure out how wide I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my reasons...) Thanks and 73, Stan WB2LQF From davidahrendts at me.com Tue Dec 9 18:29:39 2014 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:29:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question In-Reply-To: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> References: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> Message-ID: Stan, I?m one month into the KX3 and PX3. The PX3 cables are reasonably short, and yes, they are the right angle things. Happy to measure for you tonight, if you wish, but in my case, the PX3 sits directly to the left of the KX3 and the short cable maybe allows it an inch of movement. Need a precise measurement, happy to do that for you. David Ahrendts, KC0XT > On Dec 9, 2014, at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > > I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list should be able to answer for me: > > > How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3? > > > I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the connecting cables longer. I need this information to figure out how wide I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my reasons...) > > > Thanks and 73, > Stan WB2LQF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue Dec 9 18:32:09 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:32:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question Message-ID: <0194A3B203634FE3B794CF55995CF25F@HPE250f> Hi, Stan I'm not sure how you want this measured, so here's a couple of measurements for you... Using the PX3CBL cable kit that comes with the PX3, the maximum separation between the two units is about 8 inches.(from the right of the PX3 to the left of the KX3) Measured from the outside edges (that is, with the PX3 on the left of the KX3), the maximum distance between the left edge of the PX3 and the right edge of the KX3 is 21". I hope this helps. Let me know if you would like different dimensions measured. GL es 73, Bruce N1RX From sjl219 at optonline.net Tue Dec 9 18:42:01 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:42:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question In-Reply-To: <0194A3B203634FE3B794CF55995CF25F@HPE250f> References: <0194A3B203634FE3B794CF55995CF25F@HPE250f> Message-ID: <121fe9c.16c3d6.14a316e5270.Webtop.54@optonline.net> Thank you Bruce (and also thank you?David Ahrendts, KC0XT) This is what I needed. ?Looks like everything is going to work out just fine! Now ?I can switch to the other window and press "enter" on the order page ;-) 73 and thanks again, Stan WB2LQF On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 06:32 PM, Bruce Beford wrote: > Hi, Stan > I'm not sure how you want this measured, so here's a couple of > measurements > for you... > Using the PX3CBL cable kit that comes with the PX3, the maximum > separation > between the two units is about 8 inches.(from the right of the PX3 to > the > left of the KX3) > Measured from the outside edges (that is, with the PX3 on the left of > the > KX3), the maximum distance between the left edge of the PX3 and the > right > edge of the KX3 is 21". > I hope this helps. Let me know if you would like different dimensions > measured. > GL es 73, > Bruce N1RX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Dec 9 19:35:13 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> References: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54879541.9070006@nycap.rr.com> I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO Keyer. That was in the 60s. Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big deal to me. Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast. Bill W2BLC K-Line From dave at nk7z.net Tue Dec 9 20:12:46 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:12:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the rigs? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 12:14 -0800, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display > option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now. > > Stay tuned! > > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option. I do > > not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect > > it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the > > reflector. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > >> Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as > >> is available form the IF) > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 9 20:13:38 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <54879541.9070006@nycap.rr.com> References: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> <54879541.9070006@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <54879E42.30904@embarqmail.com> Bill and all, There are single lever paddles to be had (but not inexpensive ones). There are two manufacturers of paddles that offer single lever varieties. I am the proud owner of a K3ZN KNSLR single lever paddle set. Tony does make very find paddles and other keying devices, smooth as silk. Begali also makes single lever models. There may be others, but those are the two I know about without doing a Google search. I do have a couple others that are in the 'junk' category. Some dual lever paddles can be altered to provide single lever action by placing a fixed spacer between the two paddles, but that works on some, but not others. If the pivot pins are between the finger grips and the contacts, that will not work, but if the contacts are between the pivots and the finger grips, the spacer solution will work fine. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote: > I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 > TO Keyer. That was in the 60s. > > Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the > current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I > built a little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer > chip, and a pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever > paddle. I connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a > bug. No big deal to me. > > Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever > paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or > entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 9 20:15:53 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54879EC9.7060706@embarqmail.com> David, Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased. I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote: > Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the > rigs? From n7rjn at nobis.net Tue Dec 9 20:34:25 2014 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:34:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <54879EC9.7060706@embarqmail.com> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54879EC9.7060706@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Will the W2 Wattmeter sensors be usable? Bob - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Dec 9, 2014, at 18:15, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > David, > > Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased. > I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote: >> Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the >> rigs? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 9 20:34:56 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:34:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <5487A340.7070603@elecraft.com> 1. A small sensor input board that plugs into the existing boards on the P3. 2. A RF sensor, similar, but not identical circuitry, to our existing directional couplers for the W2. (It has a faster time constant to support RF envelope display.) 73, Eric elecraft.com On 12/9/2014 5:12 PM, David Cole wrote: > Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the > rigs? From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue Dec 9 20:37:07 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? Message-ID: <85C19B0210D64F4C8B69AAF9A2F71009@HPE250f> Fairly obvious that an external sensor will be needed, probably the same (or similar) sensors to what is used for the W2 wattmeter. Also, since there is no current corresponding input on the P3, an option board will be required for that. (Strictly speculation on my part, but fairly obvious to me) Availability and pricing TBD. 73, Bruce N1RX > Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased. > I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not. From lists at subich.com Tue Dec 9 20:37:30 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <54879541.9070006@nycap.rr.com> References: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> <54879541.9070006@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> > Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, Vibroplex, Begali, Schurr (Scheurnemann) and others still offer single lever paddles. > most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key Any of the rigs, including the K3, that include keyers work just fine with single lever paddles. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-09 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote: > I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO > Keyer. That was in the 60s. > > Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current > rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a > little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a > pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I > connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big > deal to me. > > Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever > paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or > entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 9 20:40:18 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:40:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54879EC9.7060706@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5487A482.1000002@elecraft.com> Possibly, with modification to several component values on the board inside, but I can't guarantee that they will still work with the W2 after modification. Eric elecraft.com On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Robert Nobis wrote: > Will the W2 Wattmeter sensors be usable? > > > Bob - N7RJN > n7rjn at nobis.net > > > > >> On Dec 9, 2014, at 18:15, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> David, >> >> Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased. >> I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote: >>> Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the >>> rigs? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Dec 9 20:56:12 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:56:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> References: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> Message-ID: <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do not well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering versions of Iambic keying only. If they did function properly with a single lever paddle - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with my paddle? Bill W2BLC K-Line From dpbunte at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 21:06:06 2014 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:06:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> References: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Bill - I don't understand what you mean by "They are progressive...". I use a single lever paddle, and have for years, with my IC-7000, with a borrowed IC-756 Pro III, and for about 3 years now, with my K3. Dave - K9FN On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:56 PM, W2BLC wrote: > The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do not > well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering > versions of Iambic keying only. If they did function properly with a > single lever paddle - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with > my paddle? > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From K2TK at ptd.net Tue Dec 9 21:11:51 2014 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> References: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> <54879541.9070006@nycap.rr.com> <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> Message-ID: <5487ABE7.5050808@ptd.net> Here is another single lever paddle: http://www.americanmorse.com/bushwhacker.htm Pretty decent bang for the buck. 73, Bob K2TK On 12/9/2014 8:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, > > Vibroplex, Begali, Schurr (Scheurnemann) and others still offer single > lever paddles. > >> most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key > > Any of the rigs, including the K3, that include keyers work just fine > with single lever paddles. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2014-12-09 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote: >> I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO >> Keyer. That was in the 60s. >> >> Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current >> rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a >> little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a >> pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I >> connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big >> deal to me. >> >> Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever >> paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or >> entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> From lists at subich.com Tue Dec 9 21:13:40 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> References: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5487AC54.6090203@subich.com> > They are progressive, offering versions of Iambic keying only. The fact that a keyer offers Iambic A/Iambic B has *nothing* to do with the ability to support a single lever paddle. I have used single lever paddles with the Iambic keyers in Icom (IC-706mkIIg), Yaesu (FT-1000D, FT-1000MP MKV, FT-2000) and Elecraft (K3) with no issues. The iambic features of the keyer are not active unless both left and right contacts are closed at the same time - which is a physical impossibility with a single lever paddle. > then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with my paddle? I have no idea why you built a totally unnecessary keyer to use with your paddle. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-09 8:56 PM, W2BLC wrote: > The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do > not well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering > versions of Iambic keying only. If they did function properly with a > single lever paddle - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use > with my paddle? > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dave at nk7z.net Tue Dec 9 21:17:36 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:17:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <54879EC9.7060706@embarqmail.com> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54879EC9.7060706@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1418177856.7633.1.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Why obviously? If it were obvious then I would not have asked the question... Perhaps they intended to have this feature, and had the sensors built in? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 20:15 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote: > David, > > Obviously, the sensor would have to be purchased. > I do not know whether additional P3 option boards will be necessary or not. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/9/2014 8:12 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the > > rigs? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue Dec 9 21:32:57 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:32:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? Message-ID: <088B051B10D6433AA9CD703C7EBF82D6@HPE250f> No. Obviously. There is no TX output path sampling built into the P3. This can be seen by studying the manual. There has always been however, a large empty hole in the back of the P3 labeled "sensor". Therefore (obviously) space left for a future sensor. From dave at nk7z.net Tue Dec 9 21:50:17 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:50:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <088B051B10D6433AA9CD703C7EBF82D6@HPE250f> References: <088B051B10D6433AA9CD703C7EBF82D6@HPE250f> Message-ID: <1418179817.7633.6.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> You know it's not that obvious to me. If I have to "study" the manual, or look at the back of the rig, it is not obvious... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 21:32 -0500, Bruce Beford wrote: > No. Obviously. There is no TX output path sampling built into the P3. This > can be seen by studying the manual. There has always been however, a large > empty hole in the back of the P3 labeled "sensor". Therefore (obviously) > space left for a future sensor. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From k4to.dave at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 21:55:09 2014 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and HRD Message-ID: <7FDFBEF0-F575-4B40-AFF8-4D93FF1D4EF5@arrl.net> Has anyone used the KX3 with the Ham Radio Deluxe DM-780 digital software package? I am trying to get the I&Q output to run the waterfall with no success so far. Dave, K4TO From lists at subich.com Tue Dec 9 21:59:56 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:59:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <1418179817.7633.6.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <088B051B10D6433AA9CD703C7EBF82D6@HPE250f> <1418179817.7633.6.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <5487B72C.1010802@subich.com> It's not all that obvious that you're likely to get hit by a bus when you step off the curb in the middle of a block either - unless you *look*! The fact that the P3 has this large hole in the back panel marked "Sensor" with no connector makes it obvious on even a cursory inspection that there is additional hardware needed for that feature/function. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-09 9:50 PM, David Cole wrote: > You know it's not that obvious to me. If I have to "study" the manual, > or look at the back of the rig, it is not obvious... > From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue Dec 9 22:23:58 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:23:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? Message-ID: OK, "Study" was not the right term. It's a matter of knowing the basic functions and capabilities of a piece of equipment. Best done by reading (not studying) before assuming. For those of us who have had the P3 for some time, this _was_ obvious. My apologies. Bruce N1RX From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 22:27:43 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:27:43 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One could read the literature prior to purchase i spose? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 10/12/2014 1:24 PM, "Bruce Beford" wrote: > OK, "Study" was not the right term. It's a matter of knowing the basic > functions and capabilities of a piece of equipment. Best done by reading > (not studying) before assuming. For those of us who have had the P3 for > some > time, this _was_ obvious. My apologies. > Bruce N1RX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Tue Dec 9 22:41:28 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:41:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5487ABE7.5050808@ptd.net> References: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> <5487ABE7.5050808@ptd.net> Message-ID: <201412092141.29162.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Agreed on "bang for the buck"; another in that category IMHO is the Kent SP-1. I have both, with a slight edge to the Kent, but YMMV. And, for the op who wants the feel of a bug with an electronic keyer, the Vibroplex "VibroKeyer" is still in production... fifty years after it was introduced.... 73, Al On Tue December 9 2014 8:11:51 pm Bob wrote: > Here is another single lever paddle: > > http://www.americanmorse.com/bushwhacker.htm > > Pretty decent bang for the buck. > > 73, > Bob > K2TK > > On 12/9/2014 8:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, > > > > Vibroplex, Begali, Schurr (Scheurnemann) and others still offer single > > lever paddles. > > > >> most of the current rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key > > > > Any of the rigs, including the K3, that include keyers work just fine > > with single lever paddles. > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2014-12-09 7:35 PM, W2BLC wrote: > >> I learned on a Vibroplex single lever paddle and a Hallicrafters HA-1 TO > >> Keyer. That was in the 60s. > >> > >> Single lever paddles appear to have gone the way, as most of the current > >> rigs (K3 included) do not well support such a key. Hence, I built a > >> little box with a couple of 2032 batteries in it, a keyer chip, and a > >> pot. It is attached to the side of my trusty single lever paddle. I > >> connect it to my 480 or K3 as I would a straight key or a bug. No big > >> deal to me. > >> > >> Of course, I am old fashioned. Imagine, still using a single lever > >> paddle in this modern age of whatevers that can number messages or > >> entries, self log, and maybe even time the turkey roast. > >> > >> Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From K5EJK at Kluft.US Tue Dec 9 23:08:08 2014 From: K5EJK at Kluft.US (Ernie Kluft) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 22:08:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: <5487A340.7070603@elecraft.com> References: <1704369972.4458764.1418136702407.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100198.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <548713F7.8090208@embarqmail.com> <54875819.1000002@elecraft.com> <1418173966.8561.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <5487A340.7070603@elecraft.com> Message-ID: It would be nice to be able to use the W2's sensors for those who have bought them.... At 07:34 PM 12/9/2014, you wrote: >1. A small sensor input board that plugs into the existing boards on the P3. >2. A RF sensor, similar, but not identical circuitry, to our >existing directional couplers for the W2. (It has a faster time >constant to support RF envelope display.) > >73, > >Eric >elecraft.com > >On 12/9/2014 5:12 PM, David Cole wrote: >>Will hardware need to be purchased, or is it already in place on the >>rigs? > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k5ejk at kluft.us > From breedenwb at cableone.net Tue Dec 9 23:20:12 2014 From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 22:20:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5487C9FC.4040601@cableone.net> I agree, the single lever Kent (SP-1) is a good value for the price. Very well made and has a good solid feel. http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/kmk-sp-1 73, Bill - NA5DX On 12/9/2014 9:41 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 31 > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:41:28 -0600 > From: Al Gulseth > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? > Message-ID:<201412092141.29162.wb5jnc at centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Agreed on "bang for the buck"; another in that category IMHO is the Kent SP-1. > I have both, with a slight edge to the Kent, but YMMV. And, for the op who > wants the feel of a bug with an electronic keyer, the Vibroplex "VibroKeyer" > is still in production... fifty years after it was introduced.... > > 73, Al From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Dec 9 23:31:31 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:31:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <201412092141.29162.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <54877CAD.8070006@embarqmail.com> <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> <5487ABE7.5050808@ptd.net> <201412092141.29162.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <5487CCA3.9070607@foothill.net> Folks, I actually have a "real" Vibroplex, given to me by a friend who was a Coast Guard Radioman. It has all the problems of a basic Vibroplex, mainly dots way too fast. I tried putting a little cable clamp on it as some of my crew did years ago, but that adds a lot of inertia and probably accounts for why I slap my iambic paddle around now ... no squeezing. My Lionel J-36, beat up as it was, ran just fine and I had the only perfect fist on the radio. :-) Once I moved to electronic keyers, of increasing complexity, I can't go back to a bug, nor do I want to, I'm old and manual dexterity is waning [along with other things]. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/9/2014 7:41 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > Agreed on "bang for the buck"; another in that category IMHO is the Kent SP-1. > I have both, with a slight edge to the Kent, but YMMV. And, for the op who > wants the feel of a bug with an electronic keyer, the Vibroplex "VibroKeyer" > is still in production... fifty years after it was introduced.... From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 9 23:40:45 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 23:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and HRD In-Reply-To: <7FDFBEF0-F575-4B40-AFF8-4D93FF1D4EF5@arrl.net> References: <7FDFBEF0-F575-4B40-AFF8-4D93FF1D4EF5@arrl.net> Message-ID: <5487CECD.5050107@embarqmail.com> Dave, The KX3 I &Q outputs do not have sufficient amplitude to drive the soundcard levels required for soundcard DATA modes such as expected by DM-780. Use the headphone output. If you wish to run a Panadapter application such as NaP3, HDSDR or several other variations, then the use of the RX I/Q output are applicable, but not for soundcard data mode use. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 9:55 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > Has anyone used the KX3 with the Ham Radio Deluxe DM-780 digital software package? I am trying to get the I&Q output to run the waterfall with no success so far. > > Dave, K4TO > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 23:53:58 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 23:53:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <5487AC54.6090203@subich.com> References: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> <5487AC54.6090203@subich.com> Message-ID: Go for a Winkey chip based box, which includes the MicroHam line and the Winkey "house models", and set the mode to "Ultimatic" to use with your single lever paddle. It is the most "natural" by far for someone raised on a mechanical bug and who just can't get themselves to do Iambic. Any box with a keyer chip based on any version of WinKey has IambicA, IambicB and Ultimatic as choices of keying modes. This would be any of the Winkey boxes of course, the MicroHam contest boxes, and others I can't recall at the moment. A single lever paddle and Ultimatic in the Winkey chip have long been my favorite as I was never able to make the transition from mechanical bug to dual lever paddle and the Iambic methods. Guy plus Iambic plus dual lever paddle = sloppy, awful, mistake-ridden code. Just can't do it. Ultimatic plus dual lever paddle = decent code, but after a while my hand cramps. Given the various things that have to go on controlling a contest station and the very useful integration of functions, I have a MicroHam "CW Keyer" which was my first MicroHam purchase and now a MicroHam u2R which very nicely works my K3 and K2 side-by-side. I have never looked back. Some of my friends have the very reasonably priced Winkey USB keyers, and some earlier Winkey boxes, which allow either a logging program or the paddle to drive the output which goes into the K3 straight key jack (not the paddle). I still use a Vibrokeyer single lever paddle which I've had since the 70's, but am seriously looking at the current crop of magnetic single lever paddles. The paddle is plugged into the u2R. For field day, I take along the small MicroHam CW Keyer instead, which provides the complete functionality for N1MM+ to drive it from my laptop. The MicroHam boxes, and the USB Winkey boxes connect to the PC with a USB cable, and provide RS232 signal lines to the transceiver for CAT and command functions. With N1MM+ running, the paddle CW speed is always the same as the box knob or the N1MM+ speed. In N1MM+ the box speed knob also runs the N1MM+ CW speed up and down just like the page up and down keys. It's a very slick station integration, and I do NOT have to use dual lever or my Iambic enemy, and I can switch back and forth with a real bug without my brain blowing fuses. 73, Guy K2AV On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > They are progressive, offering versions of Iambic keying only. > > The fact that a keyer offers Iambic A/Iambic B has *nothing* to do > with the ability to support a single lever paddle. I have used single > lever paddles with the Iambic keyers in Icom (IC-706mkIIg), Yaesu > (FT-1000D, FT-1000MP MKV, FT-2000) and Elecraft (K3) with no issues. > The iambic features of the keyer are not active unless both left and > right contacts are closed at the same time - which is a physical > impossibility with a single lever paddle. > > > then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use with my paddle? > > I have no idea why you built a totally unnecessary keyer to use with > your paddle. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2014-12-09 8:56 PM, W2BLC wrote: > >> The internal keyers on several rigs I have used, including the K3, do >> not well support the single lever paddle. They are progressive, offering >> versions of Iambic keying only. If they did function properly with a >> single lever paddle - then why do you suppose I built a keyer to use >> with my paddle? >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 10 00:01:53 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 00:01:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5487D3C1.2060905@embarqmail.com> The literature as it exists does not indicate that the P3 is capable of doing any transmit monitoring - no mention of the "sensor" jack. The fact that there is a jack on the back of the P3 that is marked "SENSOR" is akin to the jack on the bottom of the K3 that is defined as "for factory use only". There has been a lot of comments and speculation about what that jack could potentially be used for, but it remains "for factory use only". Yes, a TX monitoring function for the P3 is in the works as indicated by Eric's post about the sensor, but he did point out that the firmware to support that function is the gating factor. It will be interesting to see what capabilities will be provided by that jack once all the hardware and firmware to support it are available. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/9/2014 10:27 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > One could read the literature prior to purchase i spose? > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 10 00:14:25 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:14:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: <5487A3DA.6040607@subich.com> <5487A83C.5060308@nycap.rr.com> <5487AC54.6090203@subich.com> Message-ID: <5487D6B1.6040104@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,12/9/2014 8:53 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Any box with a keyer chip based on any version of WinKey has IambicA, > IambicB and Ultimatic as choices of keying modes. This would be any of the > Winkey boxes of course, the MicroHam contest boxes, and others I can't > recall at the moment. Also the wonderful Yankee Clipper Contest Club's SO2R box. 73, Jim K9YC From hhoyt at mebtel.net Wed Dec 10 00:18:10 2014 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 00:18:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question Message-ID: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> Stan, If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs, which makes the combined chassis width 13.5". We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate neat cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3 (https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still use the splitter. You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3, and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector. An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if necessary. Cheers & 73, Howie - WA4PSC From sasimpson at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 03:29:37 2014 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 02:29:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and HRD In-Reply-To: <5487CECD.5050107@embarqmail.com> References: <7FDFBEF0-F575-4B40-AFF8-4D93FF1D4EF5@arrl.net> <5487CECD.5050107@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I've been very successful using the rx I/q out for data modes with hrd. I just have to remember to set it to DATA A when I want to xmit. I use a separate usb sound card for the interface and have it selected in hrd as such. Headphone out would get limited by volume and any filters where the rx I/q is the raw output. There are also ways to run hdsdr on top of hrd as well. On Tuesday, December 9, 2014, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > The KX3 I &Q outputs do not have sufficient amplitude to drive the > soundcard levels required for soundcard DATA modes such as expected by > DM-780. > Use the headphone output. > If you wish to run a Panadapter application such as NaP3, HDSDR or several > other variations, then the use of the RX I/Q output are applicable, but not > for soundcard data mode use. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/9/2014 9:55 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > >> Has anyone used the KX3 with the Ham Radio Deluxe DM-780 digital software >> package? I am trying to get the I&Q output to run the waterfall with no >> success so far. >> >> Dave, K4TO >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sasimpson at gmail.com > -- scott sasimpson at gmail.com From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Dec 10 03:44:10 2014 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:44:10 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> Ed - KL7UW wrote: > >The K14 offers six keying modes: >1- Iambic-A >2- Iambic-B >3- Ultimatic >4- straight key >5- Dit priority >6- Dash priority > And others have also identified: 7- Mechanical bug 8- CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer) That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should offer as built-in options. Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following. Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top speed. What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From k2mk at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 06:08:37 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:08:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 time required to stabilize after transmit Message-ID: <1418209717613-7595748.post@n2.nabble.com> With the recent talk about adding transmit monitoring to the P3 maybe there will also be some firmware improvement on the transition time from transmit back to receive. The P3 sometimes defies logic as it randomly can take seconds to return to normal receiver monitoring after transmit. It does it in both fixed-tune mode and tracking mode. It is infrequent and totally random. 73, Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-time-required-to-stabilize-after-transmit-tp7595748.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Wed Dec 10 06:38:24 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 03:38:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: P3 Feature Request? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1418211504.7633.22.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, Thanks, and no need, to apologize, sometimes mail lists make it difficult to communicate... The addition of a single word can change the meaning of things... No offense taken. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 22:23 -0500, Bruce Beford wrote: > OK, "Study" was not the right term. It's a matter of knowing the basic > functions and capabilities of a piece of equipment. Best done by reading > (not studying) before assuming. For those of us who have had the P3 for some > time, this _was_ obvious. My apologies. > Bruce N1RX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From pincon at erols.com Wed Dec 10 08:24:48 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single solid unit? Howzatt for cool? Of course, there's always duct tape. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Hoyt" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:18 AM Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question > Stan, > > If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be > positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs, > which makes the combined chassis width 13.5". > > We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate neat > cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3 > (https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs > for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still > use the splitter. > > You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the > splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3, > and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector. > > An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the > heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if > necessary. > > Cheers & 73, > > Howie - WA4PSC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Dec 10 08:31:06 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 06:31:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> Message-ID: <1418218266115-7595751.post@n2.nabble.com> Nice idea, but mounting the PX3 behind the KX3 as one unit would impact the cooling. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-question-tp7595745p7595751.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pincon at erols.com Wed Dec 10 08:40:23 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net><4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <1418218266115-7595751.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <89AA0FE686E845CB916B06F95B5DCF72@pinnacle05df05> Who said anything about "behind"? That's the last place I'd want the PX3. The previous email stated that the package would be about 13? inches wide using right angle cables. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob N3MNT" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 question > Nice idea, but mounting the PX3 behind the KX3 as one unit would impact > the > cooling. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-question-tp7595745p7595751.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 10 09:40:57 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 06:40:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54885B79.6090303@socal.rr.com> Ian, The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in being keyers; and that's all they were intended to do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying capabilities of one of the specialized K1EL products seems a bit much. A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to compare the K3 with other high-end ham transceivers with regard to the keying modes they provide. Phil W7OX On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote: > Ed - KL7UW wrote: >> The K14 offers six keying modes: >> 1- Iambic-A >> 2- Iambic-B >> 3- Ultimatic >> 4- straight key >> 5- Dit priority >> 6- Dash priority >> > And others have also identified: > 7- Mechanical bug > 8- CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer) > > That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the > keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should > offer as built-in options. > > Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following. > Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that > specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top > speed. > > What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an > adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds > because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK From hwhite1 at maine.rr.com Wed Dec 10 10:02:05 2014 From: hwhite1 at maine.rr.com (Harry White) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:02:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <54885B79.6090303@socal.rr.com> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> <54885B79.6090303@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <003d01d0148a$43699660$ca3cc320$@maine.rr.com> Phil, The Kenwood TS-990S offers "Straight Key", "Paddle", or "Paddle (Bug Key Mode)". In addition it offers Iambic mode A and Iambic mode B when using the electronic keyer. 73, Harry K1RSA -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:41 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? Ian, The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in being keyers; and that's all they were intended to do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying capabilities of one of the specialized K1EL products seems a bit much. A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to compare the K3 with other high-end ham transceivers with regard to the keying modes they provide. Phil W7OX On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote: > Ed - KL7UW wrote: >> The K14 offers six keying modes: >> 1- Iambic-A >> 2- Iambic-B >> 3- Ultimatic >> 4- straight key >> 5- Dit priority >> 6- Dash priority >> > And others have also identified: > 7- Mechanical bug > 8- CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer) > > That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the > keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should > offer as built-in options. > > Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following. > Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that > specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top > speed. > > What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an > adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds > because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hwhite1 at maine.rr.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Dec 10 10:28:52 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:28:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request? Message-ID: This sure would be a nice Christmas present I could get for myself. .....if it were only available by then.........???????? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft"
Date:12/09/2014 3:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: don at w3fpr.com,Harry Yingst ,Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Feature Request?
We are actively working on the P3 sensor watt-meter and TX envelope display option right now. We are testing the firmware for it now. Stay tuned! Eric elecraft.com On 12/9/2014 7:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Not at this time, however the sensor is on the list for a future option. I do > not have any information about when it will be available, but I would expect > it to be sometime soon, there have been several recent queries about it on the > reflector. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> Is it possible to have the P3 Display the transmitted signal(well as much as >> is available form the IF) >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From drchaz at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 11:04:04 2014 From: drchaz at gmail.com (Eklund Charles) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:04:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration Message-ID: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> 1. I?m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can?t find instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. 2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would prefer that environment. I?m wondering what programs people use (rig control, logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.) Thanks Chuck W?BBO From dick at elecraft.com Wed Dec 10 11:18:05 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:18:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration In-Reply-To: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> References: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01d01494$e189bc80$a49d3580$@elecraft.com> CW memories are described in "CW Message Record/Play" on page 30 of your K3 owner's manual. You can record messages with the internal keyer or use the K3 Utility's CW message editor. Details and sample screen images of the CW message editor are in K3 Utility Help; you can use the help Index to find "CW Memories" and choose "K3 internal". The K3 Utility is available for Windows, Mac, and Linux. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eklund Charles Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:04 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration 1. I?m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can?t find instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. 2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would prefer that environment. I?m wondering what programs people use (rig control, logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.) Thanks Chuck W?BBO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 10 11:29:36 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:29:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <003d01d0148a$43699660$ca3cc320$@maine.rr.com> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> <54885B79.6090303@socal.rr.com> <003d01d0148a$43699660$ca3cc320$@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <548874F0.7070902@socal.rr.com> Thanks for following my suggestion, Harry. Phil W7OX On 12/10/14 7:02 AM, Harry White wrote: > Phil, > > The Kenwood TS-990S offers "Straight Key", "Paddle", or "Paddle (Bug Key > Mode)". In addition it offers Iambic mode A and Iambic mode B when using the > electronic keyer. > > 73, > Harry K1RSA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil > Wheeler > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:41 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? > > Ian, > > The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in being keyers; and that's all > they were intended to do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying capabilities > of one of the specialized K1EL products seems a bit much. > > A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to compare the K3 with other > high-end ham transceivers with regard to the keying modes they provide. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote: >> Ed - KL7UW wrote: >>> The K14 offers six keying modes: >>> 1- Iambic-A >>> 2- Iambic-B >>> 3- Ultimatic >>> 4- straight key >>> 5- Dit priority >>> 6- Dash priority >>> >> And others have also identified: >> 7- Mechanical bug >> 8- CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer) >> >> That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the >> keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should >> offer as built-in options. >> >> Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following. >> Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that >> specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top >> speed. >> >> What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an >> adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds >> because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them. >> >> >> 73 from Ian GM3SEK From dave at nk7z.net Wed Dec 10 11:45:30 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:45:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration In-Reply-To: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> References: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1418229930.7633.80.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I can't deal with the Mac question, but the CW question I can... There are two memories for keying either voice, or CW. They are called "Bank 1" and "Bank 2". You toggle which memory you want by pressing and holding the REC button. This button is in the center of the memory select button cluster on the right side of the K3. Once you have a Bank selected, (1, or 2), you then tap the same button you tapped to select a bank, (REC), and then quickly tap the memory button corresponding to the memory number you want to record. These buttons are the the ones clustered around the REC button in a circle. You then send your your CW via the keyer and watch the numbers on the face of the K3 decrement. When they get to zero you are done. Alternately you can edit the memories using the K3 Utility software Elecraft provides. Start the software, make sure it sees your K3, then select the "Configuration" tab across the top, that will then show you a series of buttons you can press once it changes pages. Press the "EDIT CW MEMORIES" software button. That will bring up the input dialog box for editing the CW memories. Things should be self-explanatory from there on, if not, shoot me a note off list. Remember to select the correct BANK for playback and recording, or editing via the Utility program. I got nicked on that as it was not obvious to me there were two banks until I looked at the book a few times. I spent a few moments wondering why when I typed in my changes to Bank 1, and then tested them by playing them back they never changed... I was in Bank 2, which coincidentally had the same message programed. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 09:04 -0700, Eklund Charles wrote: > 1. I?m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can?t find instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. > > 2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would prefer that environment. I?m wondering what programs people use (rig control, logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.) > > Thanks > > Chuck > W?BBO > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Dec 10 11:46:11 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:46:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> Message-ID: <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that you can quickly disconnect the KX3 from the PX3 and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites where minimum size/weight/cables/current drain are important criteria. Examples: living room easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, confessional....you get the idea. Wayne N6KR On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" wrote: > Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single solid unit? > > Howzatt for cool? > > Of course, there's always duct tape. > > Chas > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Hoyt" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:18 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question > > >> Stan, >> >> If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs, which makes the combined chassis width 13.5". >> >> We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate neat cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3 (https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still use the splitter. >> >> You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3, and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector. >> >> An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if necessary. >> >> Cheers & 73, >> >> Howie - WA4PSC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From softblue at windstream.net Wed Dec 10 11:49:16 2014 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:49:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Request Message-ID: <000601d01499$3c77cb60$b5676220$@windstream.net> Override / Bypass for RX and TX EQ. One button macro or similar. 73, Dick - KA5KKT From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Wed Dec 10 11:55:36 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:55:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <201412101055.36766.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Yep, I can see it now: "Father, I have sinned by staying home to operate my KX3 in the CW contest instead of coming to Mass." "You are forgiven, my son. By the way, what's that strange beeping sound I'm hearing?" 73, Al On Wed December 10 2014 10:46:11 am Wayne Burdick wrote: > The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that you can quickly disconnect > the KX3 from the PX3 and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites where > minimum size/weight/cables/current drain are important criteria. Examples: >... confessional....you get the idea. > > Wayne > N6KR > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" wrote: > > Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single > > solid unit? > > > > Howzatt for cool? > > > > Of course, there's always duct tape. > > > > Chas > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Hoyt" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:18 AM > > Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question > > > >> Stan, > >> > >> If you position the PX3 to the left of the KX3, the two units can be > >> positioned within 0.5" of each other when using all right-angle plugs, > >> which makes the combined chassis width 13.5". > >> > >> We make a #33-100 KX3 & PX3 DC Power Splitter which helps facilitate > >> neat cable management for users of the KX3 & PX3 > >> (https://proaudioeng.com/accessories/). If you are using straight plugs > >> for your headset, you can position them as much as 2.25" apart and still > >> use the splitter. > >> > >> You could also reverse the positions, in which case if you are using the > >> splitter the PX3 can be positioned up to 1.25" to the right of the KX3, > >> and you would have to use a right-angle BNC for the antenna connector. > >> > >> An additional 1" or more of separation can be achieved by removing the > >> heatshrink and tape holding the two conductors of the splitter if > >> necessary. > >> > >> Cheers & 73, > >> > >> Howie - WA4PSC > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Dec 10 12:19:19 2014 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:19:19 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <54885B79.6090303@socal.rr.com> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> <54885B79.6090303@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <007401d0149d$75e7a240$61b6e6c0$@co.uk> >Ian, > >The K14 and its kin are devices specializing in >being keyers; and that's all they were intended to >do. Expecting the K3 to have the keying >capabilities of one of the specialized K1EL >products seems a bit much. > >A better 'industry-wide benchmark' might be to >compare the K3 with other high-end ham >transceivers with regard to the keying modes they >provide. > >Phil W7OX > I wouldn't ever ask for all the facilities of a specialized keyer. The wider range of timing options is the only exception, because significant numbers of K3 users NEED a specific timing mode other than Curtis A or Curtis B in order to gain full access to the K3's internal keyer. This is particularly important for the K3 because paddle-sent RTTY and PSK are accessible only through the internal keyer. As regards the comparisons with other high-end transceivers, I would NEVER expect Elecraft to settle for being 'ordinary' or 'average' - not in this way or any other. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Phil Wheeler >Sent: 10 December 2014 14:41 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? > >On 12/10/14 12:44 AM, Ian White wrote: >> Ed - KL7UW wrote: >>> The K14 offers six keying modes: >>> 1- Iambic-A >>> 2- Iambic-B >>> 3- Ultimatic >>> 4- straight key >>> 5- Dit priority >>> 6- Dash priority >>> >> And others have also identified: >> 7- Mechanical bug >> 8- CMOS Superkeyer (Logikeyer) >> >> That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the >> keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should >> offer as built-in options. >> >> Each one of those keying modes has a significant real-world following. >> Translation: there are significant numbers of K3 users who NEED that >> specific timing mode in order to operate close to their personal top >> speed. >> >> What K3 users *don't* need is to be told to use an external keyer, an >> adapter or some other workaround. We already know the workarounds >> because - even after 7 years - the K3 still needs them. >> >> >> 73 from Ian GM3SEK > From sjl219 at optonline.net Wed Dec 10 12:44:48 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:44:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <62f791c8.16f3f2.14a354da6b1.Webtop.34@optonline.net> Sounds like I've finally "arrived" ?-- ?I could never afford an "S Line" and I can't justify a "K line" but at least I'll have a "KX3 Line." ?Now I'd just like to see it stated in a print ad in QST and I'll die a happy ham! 73, Stan WB2LQF On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The entire premise behind the KX-Line? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 10 12:59:07 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:59:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <62f791c8.16f3f2.14a354da6b1.Webtop.34@optonline.net> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> <62f791c8.16f3f2.14a354da6b1.Webtop.34@optonline.net> Message-ID: <548889EB.1080703@socal.rr.com> Stan, Which part stated in print? Perhaps this includes some extreme examples: "Examples: living room easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, confessional....you get the idea." My dentist would sure not allow it :-) Phil W7OX On 12/10/14 9:44 AM, stan levandowski wrote: > Sounds like I've finally "arrived" -- I could > never afford an "S Line" and I can't justify a > "K line" but at least I'll have a "KX3 Line." > Now I'd just like to see it stated in a print > ad in QST and I'll die a happy ham! > > > 73, Stan WB2LQF > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > >> The entire premise behind the KX-Line From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 13:12:29 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:12:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <548889EB.1080703@socal.rr.com> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> <62f791c8.16f3f2.14a354da6b1.Webtop.34@optonline.net> <548889EB.1080703@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: No boats huh? Frank KG9H On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Stan, > > Which part stated in print? Perhaps this includes some extreme examples: "Examples: living room easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, confessional....you get the idea." My dentist would sure not allow it :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/10/14 9:44 AM, stan levandowski wrote: >> Sounds like I've finally "arrived" -- I could never afford an "S Line" and I can't justify a "K line" but at least I'll have a "KX3 Line." Now I'd just like to see it stated in a print ad in QST and I'll die a happy ham! >> >> >> 73, Stan WB2LQF >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >>> The entire premise behind the KX-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Dec 10 14:17:55 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:17:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results Message-ID: <09FD9511-2598-4196-9E66-EAD6376D76FC@elecraft.com> We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been hearing great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to "#@$&*!! Why didn't you do this years ago?!" :) If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would now like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy. We're also likely to release it to beta with in a day or two. 73, Wayne N6KR From hhoyt at mebtel.net Wed Dec 10 14:21:20 2014 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54889D30.3060606@mebtel.net> Now THERE'S a novel ham activity: COTA : Confessionals On The Air!!! Keep on designing the good stuff, Wayne! Howie - WA4PSC On 12/10/2014 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that you can quickly disconnect the KX3 from the PX3 and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites where minimum size/weight/cables/current drain are important criteria. Examples: living room easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, mobile, HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, tanning salon, confessional....you get the idea. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" wrote: > >> Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box so both can be a single solid unit? >> >> Howzatt for cool? >> >> Of course, there's always duct tape. >> >> Chas From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 10 14:24:17 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:24:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 time required to stabilize after transmit In-Reply-To: <1418209717613-7595748.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418209717613-7595748.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54889DE1.2050001@foothill.net> Hmmm ... I've never noticed that. I'll start looking. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/10/2014 3:08 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > With the recent talk about adding transmit monitoring to the P3 maybe there > will also be some firmware improvement on the transition time from transmit > back to receive. > > The P3 sometimes defies logic as it randomly can take seconds to return to > normal receiver monitoring after transmit. It does it in both fixed-tune > mode and tracking mode. It is infrequent and totally random. From wes at triconet.org Wed Dec 10 14:25:17 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> I'm not sure that my gripe is "on the list", although I've mentioned it several times in other postings. So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement Proposal/Program). The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful. Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A. If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, "The K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories (M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings...." The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands." Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually remember---and recall---what was stored in them? My 13 year, at the time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly. Wes N7WS On 12/6/2014 4:33 PM, Ian White wrote: >> >> Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays >> to features that have been waiting "on the list" for 7 years now. From duklaet at broadpark.no Wed Dec 10 14:39:29 2014 From: duklaet at broadpark.no (duklaet) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:39:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results Message-ID: When ?do You think we'll have it on the ?KX3? Can't ?wait.? Hsl/LA4XX? Sendt fra min Samsung Galaxy-smarttelefon. -------- Opprinnelig melding -------- Fra: Wayne Burdick Dato:10.12.2014 20:17 (GMT+01:00) Til: Elecraft Reflector Ko: Emne: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been hearing great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to "#@$&*!! Why didn't you do this years ago?!" :) If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would now like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy. We're also likely to release it to beta with in a day or two. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to duklaet at broadpark.no From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Dec 10 14:51:27 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:51:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> Message-ID: Wes, At present we only save one bandwidth in data modes. Fixing that is a top priority. > The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands." Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. There are two settings for quick-memories 00-09: fixed-frequency (NOR) or last-used-frequency (BAND-SEL). The CONFIG:MEM 0-9 menu entry is used to make this selection. Wayne N6KR From fcady at ece.montana.edu Wed Dec 10 14:53:49 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:53:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3 firmware rev. 5.01: Fixed transmit gain calibration: KE7X report Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436430334@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Hi all, I've been testing the new QSK firmware. I'm using N1MM+ with a Winkey. About the fastest I have been running is in the mid-30s. Been running W1AW/7 all morning on 40, 20 and 15. 900 odd q's in the log. Have switched back and forth a few times between Old and New QSK. New QSK is a winner. I don't hear any of the spurting and splatting with New as compared to Old. I haven't been watching the P3 much to see what is going on there but will watch it when I get back on later this afternoon. Lots of W1AW/7 activity on the bands and we are doing a lot of RTTY, PSK31 and JT65 this time around too. So come one, come all. Cheers, Fred KE7X From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 15:13:09 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Eddy via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FYI: weighted dial knob for K2 Message-ID: <298854995.5005334.1418242389340.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10657.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> FYI: AA9IV sells a really nice professionally-made, weighted heavy spinner dial knob for the K2 on eBay. I have no connection with AA9IV, just stumbled over his eBay listening and I'm glad I did. I didn't realize how crappy the Elecraft knob is until I installed this one!! I bought mine for a lot less than the well-know K2 knob is sold for and I'm very impressed. 73 Ed From rtavan at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 15:40:31 2014 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:40:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question In-Reply-To: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> References: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> Message-ID: As others have said, the IQ connecting cable is very short. Although you can place the PX3 to the left of the KX3, it ends up as quite a long pair, especially if any of your KX3 connectors are straight instead of right-angle. I've found it both neater and more ergonomic to place the PX3 just above the KX3. I use a wire-frame reading stand to hold the KX3 and it's just tall enough to let me balance the PX3 on top of the KX3. However, it's not as secure as I'd like and involves metal-to-metal contact between the two boxes so I intend to buy or build a slightly larger stand, perhaps with a "mini-shelf" between the two boxes. The advantage of vertical adjacency instead of horizontal, to my thinking, is a smaller footprint on the desk and less eye motion between the PX3 and the KX3 displays. 73, /Rick N6XI On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and > online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list > should be able to answer for me: > > > How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3? > > > I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the > connecting cables longer. I need this information to figure out how wide > I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the > KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my > headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my > reasons...) > > > Thanks and 73, > Stan WB2LQF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From rtavan at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 16:03:02 2014 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:03:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results In-Reply-To: <09FD9511-2598-4196-9E66-EAD6376D76FC@elecraft.com> References: <09FD9511-2598-4196-9E66-EAD6376D76FC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: 5.01 sounds good, Wayne. It's hard to come to any conclusion until using it under a variety of band noise and signal conditions, but it seems to be an improvement. It sounds like the lost time between elements is slightly longer but the artifacts are reduced. In CWT this morning, I was able to tune VFO B to a signal visible on the P3 while transmitting on VFO A. It's a little harder to do than before because of the shorter samples of received audio, but it's OK. If the artifacts remain gone under more severe conditions, it will be a winner. Thanks. 73, /Rick N6XI On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been > hearing great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to > "#@$&*!! Why didn't you do this years ago?!" :) > > If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would > now like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy. > We're also likely to release it to beta with in a day or two. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From sjl219 at optonline.net Wed Dec 10 16:45:19 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:45:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> Message-ID: <6e3eeb25.16fa3b.14a3629d82b.Webtop.34@optonline.net> ?Side-by-side works best for me.? Today I installed all right angle connectors.? I was going to build a nice long "ramp" (I'm handy and I'm not too bad at wood working) but instead I decided to order two more ready-made "ramps" from Steve W1SFR at http://kx3helper.com/ ? I already have one for my CW Machine and I couldn't ask for more!? My intent is to line all three of them up, catty corner on my operating desk and at a 45 degree angle to me, with my laptop "mill" right in the center and my sideswiper, bug, straight key and paddle (ugh...) on my right and in that order ;-).? I may secure the ramps to each other or? may leave them standalone for more flexibility. ? Each one of these "ramps" weighs about one ounce and is darn near immovable when pushing buttons.? In my opinion an elegant solution at a very modest cost.? What I like about Steve's solution is that I don't have to depend upon the KX3's legs to hold it on the Nifty stand + I can still operate it with my Adventure paddle attached to the front.? He has two models, one that permits KXPD3/Adventure paddle use and one that does not. ? 73, Stan WB2LQF "KX3 Line" ? ? ? ? On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 03:40 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: ? ? As others have said, the IQ connecting cable is very short. Although you can place the PX3 to the left of the KX3, it ends up as quite a long pair, especially if any of your KX3 connectors are straight instead of right-angle. I've found it both neater and more ergonomic to place the PX3 just above the KX3. I use a wire-frame reading stand to hold the KX3 and it's just tall enough to let me balance the PX3 on top of the KX3. However, it's not as secure as I'd like and involves metal-to-metal contact between the two boxes so I intend to buy or build a slightly larger stand, perhaps with a "mini-shelf" between the two boxes. The advantage of vertical adjacency instead of horizontal, to my thinking, is a smaller footprint on the desk and less eye motion between the PX3 and the KX3 displays. 73, /Rick N6XI On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski > wrote: I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list should be able to answer for me: How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3? I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the connecting cables longer.? I ?need this information to figure out how wide I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my reasons...) Thanks and 73, Stan WB2LQF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 17:02:17 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:02:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty stands for KX3 and PX3 Message-ID: Hi Stan, After getting a Nifty stand for my KX3 early on, I recently ordered one for my PX3. This one included a pair of spring binder clips to hold the unit when its in place "astride" the stand. Works great! There's a photo on the Nifty website. 73! Ken - K0PP From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 10 17:15:17 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:15:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request Message-ID: <5488C5F5.4090006@foothill.net> Asking for new features seems to have become common, you'd think Wayne was Santa Claus and the employees were his elves. I'd like to weigh in with one for me ... I've gotten a bit active in NTS, I even agreed to NCS one night a week. I was very active in NTS in the mid-50's as a teenager. My P3 is really cool for picking working frequencies up and down. However, I'm having a problem remembering where I send who for what. I'd like a feature that would put a tag with a call sign on the signal when I send someone up or down for traffic. This shouldn't be too hard. ;-)) I'm willing to type the call, although picking it out of my Notepad notes would be icing on the cake. I'll leave cookies, milk, and a Corona out Christmas Eve, take your pick. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 17:18:21 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty stands for KX3 and PX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, The binder clips -don't- fasten the two stands together to make one stand. They -do- hold the two units in place on the stands much better. Take a look at the Nifty website. From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 17:19:44 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:19:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Ultimate System In-Reply-To: <54863291.1090703@socal.rr.com> References: <02c701d01271$ae1f36b0$0a5da410$@com> <1418079337306-7595672.post@n2.nabble.com> <54863291.1090703@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1418249984746-7595782.post@n2.nabble.com> My solution is two stations in the shack. One side of the room is for my K-line modern operating station with three monitors, loads of soeftware and lots of bells and whistles. I use it for DX chasing and contesting. The other side of the room has my Drake operating station with 4B Twins and a TR-4Cw. Knob twisting and meter deflections and tubes glowing in the night take me back 40 years. Hand logging and all, it is great for ragchewing, the Twins on CW and the TR-4Cw on SSB. Lot's of continuing projects on both sides of the shack including new software, RFI challenges, upgrading power supplies. Ham radio new or old is just plain fun! 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Ultimate-System-tp7595637p7595782.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 10 17:21:32 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:21:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 question In-Reply-To: <54889D30.3060606@mebtel.net> References: <5487D792.1090201@mebtel.net> <4943E98260EB4AA999060AC67E2B61E3@pinnacle05df05> <9B3402DE-7C78-4A2E-BA35-BFB6AFDCA8E9@elecraft.com> <54889D30.3060606@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <5488C76C.8000106@socal.rr.com> Hmm .. this could result in some very long QSOs, Howie :-) Phil W7OX On 12/10/14 11:21 AM, Howard Hoyt wrote: > Now THERE'S a novel ham activity: COTA : > Confessionals On The Air!!! > > Keep on designing the good stuff, Wayne! > > Howie - WA4PSC > > > > > On 12/10/2014 11:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> The entire premise behind the KX-Line is that >> you can quickly disconnect the KX3 from the PX3 >> and KXPA100, then take the rig to field sites >> where minimum size/weight/cables/current drain >> are important criteria. Examples: living room >> easy chair, breakfast nook, yagi feed-point, >> mobile, HF pack, bicycle, motorcycle, tree >> fort, laundromat, Starbucks, 747, dentist, >> tanning salon, confessional....you get the idea. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" >> wrote: >> >>> Waddaya bet some entrepreneur makes a rear box >>> so both can be a single solid unit? >>> >>> Howzatt for cool? >>> >>> Of course, there's always duct tape. >>> >>> Chas From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 17:22:56 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:22:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request In-Reply-To: <5488C5F5.4090006@foothill.net> References: <5488C5F5.4090006@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1418250176298-7595784.post@n2.nabble.com> How about CWskimmer? It will help you track where you have sent them... ;>) 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-feature-request-tp7595780p7595784.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From phils at riousa.com Wed Dec 10 17:37:43 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:37:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/9/2014 In-Reply-To: <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com> <0373FB1F-7227-45CD-90D6-A58233268644@riousa.com> <0F2EFBC9-807B-4076-BEA7-0D1E0EFA932E@riousa.com> <3440EB84-AAB2-4074-BA30-D518495E8C15@riousa.com> <4E04B3B5-2103-4F1B-9A4B-F5BCF9E324BF@riousa.com> <1027B2D2-BFDF-425E-B36A-68ECB20F97AF@riousa.com> <024F45C3-0B0E-4236-A269-BE0309474B54@riousa.com> <1A408DE9-0AEC-47C8-A591-E7B02DFDBAEC@riousa.com> <0AEF6092-2A7F-477E-B6CB-C0A6255B298B@riousa.com> <9CE1E9D7-6CE3-4248-BD5A-2D75F68B6492@riousa.com> <233D3512-FD5D-467D-A0C2-664C20ED7F73@riousa.com> <3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF 6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com> <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com> <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com> <58C5E613-F4D3-44B1-86D0-5984520EE834@riousa.com> <153371D3-9186-4D37-8172-12FB6332149E@riousa.com> <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> Message-ID: <75C82150-1F45-4156-AA9D-46387E61974D@riousa.com> Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 9, 2014. We had 26 participants. Station Name QTH Rig S/N N6JW John CA K3 936 W0CZ Ken ND K3 457 K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 5197 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 K6SBA David CA K3 565 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 WB9JNZ Eric WI IC7000 KF5YBE Lee TX KX3 6988 W7JJL John WA KX3 993 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP N6LEW Lew CA K3 3805 QRP VA7ZOO Bill BC KX3 3035 QRP W4DML Doug TN KX3 2915 QRP N3RM Randy PA K3 4519 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 KD7BCF Wes OR KX3 7071 VE7EAR Al BC K3 3185 KE7FSD Al AZ K3 8532 WB7SDE Eric WA K3 8312 WW4JF John TN KX3 159 K5KSU Mike OK K2 3669 QRP KK4QDZ Bill NC KX3 4515 AG6ZE Alan CA FTDX1200 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 17:51:54 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Vic Tuff via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:51:54 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale in the UK Message-ID: <024301d014cb$e57c7580$b0756080$@com> Guys, the pressures of Christmas bills have made me look seriously at my 'toys' and I have thought long and hard and decided that if someone in the UK or Europe is interested in buying my K3/100 (K3 with 100 watt PA) I may let it go to help pay some bills! If and when I get some spare funds I can always buy another and get the pleasure of building it up (the best bit in my opinion)! It is hardly used (perhaps 3-4 hours use since new), I only used it QRP and the 100 watt PA has never been installed (still in the box)! The only items are: ? K3/10 - K3 with 10 watt PA ? KAT3 - ATU (installed) ? KXV3 - Transverter Interface (Installed) ? KPA3 - 100 watt PA module (not installed, new in the box) ? KUSB - USB Adaptor ? KBPF3 - General Coverage Receiver (Installed) ? MH2-R - Elecraft fist mic Looking to get back most of my investment so I'm looking for around ?2,000 for the lot. Professionally built (I have worked in electronics 36 years). Interested parties contact me 'off list'. 73's Vic Tuff G7PYR From joel.b.black at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 18:01:12 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:01:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration In-Reply-To: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> References: <472EE694-CA58-4C6F-896C-664989A6784B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AB900C0-EC6B-463D-869C-DD5920F714E4@gmail.com> Chuck, I am a recent (two years) convert to Mac. Question #1: I got the CW memories to work once, but I forgot how I did it. I use a logging program that does that for me. Question #2: I use RUMlog for day-to-day logging and RUMped for contest logging. The each have a user interface that integrates very well with the K3 (and KX3). RUMlog does a lot and it would be best if you just went to the web page because I am sure to forget something. Best of all, it?s completely free and the author is pretty responsive in the RUMlog forums. I tried other programs for day-to-day logging on my Mac: 1. Aether - I really liked this program. I paid $45 for it. I noticed the program wouldn?t log a power level below 1 W (other than 0 W). I tried contacting the author multiple times via multiple means and he never responded. That is $45 shoved up a wild hog?s butt. 2. MacLoggerDX - It does a lot; more than RUMlog, but in my opinion, it doesn?t do $99 worth of stuff for me. I have never discussed anything with the author of the program. I suggest you read all the eham.net reviews. I couldn?t see spending that kind of money for my kind of logging. You may find it fits your needs. There are Windows programs that may or may not work with the Mac using WINE. I use CrossOver and have been able to get the SKCCLogger and GenLogger working very well on my computer. I even have CAT control with SKCCLogger. As with anything computer related, your mileage may vary. I am sure there are others who will suggest programs I may not remember or about which I know nothing. Good luck. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Dec 10, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Eklund Charles wrote: > > 1. I?m trying to figure out how to program the K3 to send CW messages. I know it must be documented somewhere, but after a bit of searching I can?t find instructions. If someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. > > 2. I am contemplating converting my computer interface with the K3 from a Windows environment to a Mac environment. I am a long-time Mac user and would prefer that environment. I?m wondering what programs people use (rig control, logging, CW and digital decoding, etc.) > > Thanks > > Chuck > W?BBO > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com From joel.b.black at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 18:08:16 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:08:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: <5d512d51.16c389.14a315a4731.Webtop.54@optonline.net> Message-ID: <7A7207D2-1335-47DC-A55F-109B77BB4415@gmail.com> I don?t know if he reads this mail list or not, but K3WWP has a pretty slick KX3/PX3 setup: http://home.windstream.net/johnshan/pix_shack_1014.jpg 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > > As others have said, the IQ connecting cable is very short. Although you > can place the PX3 to the left of the KX3, it ends up as quite a long pair, > especially if any of your KX3 connectors are straight instead of > right-angle. I've found it both neater and more ergonomic to place the PX3 > just above the KX3. I use a wire-frame reading stand to hold the KX3 and > it's just tall enough to let me balance the PX3 on top of the KX3. However, > it's not as secure as I'd like and involves metal-to-metal contact between > the two boxes so I intend to buy or build a slightly larger stand, perhaps > with a "mini-shelf" between the two boxes. The advantage of vertical > adjacency instead of horizontal, to my thinking, is a smaller footprint on > the desk and less eye motion between the PX3 and the KX3 displays. > > 73, > > /Rick N6XI > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:20 PM, stan levandowski > wrote: > >> I'm just a click away from ordering a PX3, and I've perused the FAQs and >> online manual but still have a question that some PX3 owner on this list >> should be able to answer for me: >> >> >> How far away from (and to the left of) the KX3 can I place the PX3? >> >> >> I didn't see any cable lengths given, just a warning not to make the >> connecting cables longer. I need this information to figure out how wide >> I can build my new "ramp" to hold them. While most of the connectors on the >> KX3 are space saving right angles, I still have straight connectors on my >> headset and outboard keyer and I don't want to change them ( I have my >> reasons...) >> >> >> Thanks and 73, >> Stan WB2LQF >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 10 18:35:04 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:35:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5488D8A8.5000503@embarqmail.com> Wes, I have my K3 set for Quick Memories, and use that for band switching. I run with the CONFIG:MEM0-9 set to BAND SEL. If you set it to NOR, it will not change to the last used frequency but will behave just like any other 00 - 99 memory. I use the Quick Memories for band switching (and seldom touch the BAND^/V button. Additionally, I have set the M1-M4 memories for each band. M1 takes me to the mid-CW segment of that band, M2 takes me to a mid-frequency for the SSB segment, and M3 takes me to the correct frequency for PSK Data mode operation on that band (I don't currently use M4). So I use the Quick Memories to take me to a particular band, then use the M1-M4 memories to navigate to a particular fixed frequency band segment and operating mode. I have the Quick Memories set to BAND SEL so if I hear something I might be interested in on the band I am tuned to at the moment, but want to check another band - when I come back to the original band, I am set to the last frequency used and can continue with that 'interesting' station. YMMV, but you *can* set the quick memories to go to a specific frequency, mode, etc. You just have to change the MEM 0-9 menu parameter to "NOR" - but then those memories behave just like any other memory slot - they will not be "Quick Memories". 73, Don W3FPR On 12/10/2014 2:25 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I'm not sure that my gripe is "on the list", although I've mentioned > it several times in other postings. > > So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement > Proposal/Program). > > The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful. > > Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve > is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example > CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A. If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 > HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, > then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In > other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, "The > K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories > (M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, > modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings...." > > The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, > accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a > starting point in each of 10 ham bands." Not even close. If I use > the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the > memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band > changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you > were on that band. > > So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually > remember---and recall---what was stored in them? My 13 year, at the > time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly. > > Wes N7WS From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 18:38:04 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:38:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Message-ID: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion battery packs. Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time being charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches. If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected. The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which protected my body very well. I was only 18 inches from the pack when it exploded. I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially produced battery pack. I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From phils at riousa.com Wed Dec 10 18:46:43 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:46:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/16/2014 In-Reply-To: <75C82150-1F45-4156-AA9D-46387E61974D@riousa.com> References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com> <0373FB1F-7227-45CD-90D6-A58233268644@riousa.com> <0F2EFBC9-807B-4076-BEA7-0D1E0EFA932E@riousa.com> <3440EB84-AAB2-4074-BA30-D518495E8C15@riousa.com> <4E04B3B5-2103-4F1B-9A4B-F5BCF9E324BF@riousa.com> <1027B2D2-BFDF-425E-B36A-68ECB20F97AF@riousa.com> <024F45C3-0B0E-4236-A269-BE0309474B54@riousa.com> <1A408DE9-0AEC-47C8-A591-E7B02DFDBAEC@riousa.com> <0AEF6092-2A7F-477E-B6CB-C0A6255B298B@riousa.com> <9CE1E9D7-6CE3-4248-BD5A-2D75F68B6492@riousa.com> <233D3512-FD5D-467D-A0C2-664C20ED7F73@riousa.com> <3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF 6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com> <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com> <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com> <58C5E613-F4D3-44B1-86D0-5984520EE834@riousa.com> <153371D3-9186-4D37-8172-12FB6332149E@riousa.com> <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> <75C82150-1F45-4156-AA9D-46387E61974D@riousa.com> Message-ID: <4D41C0C0-A3CA-4F68-B1BB-F142A51C2C01@riousa.com> Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 16, 2014. We had 18 participants. Station Name QTH Rig S/N AD0HT Zach CO KX3 5483 QRP NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 KU4UW Ray NM KX3 6751 QRP AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP W0CZ Ken ND KX3 4275 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 AB7CE Roy MT K2 40 N0MEU Jay CO KX3 4351 N6LEW Lew CA KX3 3805 QRP W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 N6JW/m John CA KX3 515 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 WW4JF John TN K3 6185 KF5YBE Lee TX KX3 6988 W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 10 19:15:29 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:15:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes to put LI-Io batteries into while charging. Maybe good practice it to charge them outside at least the first few times. Good to hear that you were not injured. Nick N1KMP From kd5byb at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 19:19:38 2014 From: kd5byb at gmail.com (Ben Hall) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:19:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <5488E31A.1070005@gmail.com> On 12/10/2014 5:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time being > charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. > Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing > items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. The burn area on Glad you were not seriously hurt! What brand/model was it? thanks and 73, ben, kd5byb From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 19:21:22 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:21:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Message-ID: <5488E382.2030805@aol.com> Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion battery packs. Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time being charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches. If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected. The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which protected my body very well. I was only 18 inches from the pack when it exploded. I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially produced battery pack. I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 19:39:25 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:39:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <5488E7BD.5030808@aol.com> Have to admit, outside of actually combat, that was the scariest thing I've ever experienced. The battery was a generic, Chinese manufactured, lithium-Ion pack made up of 3 main, but unmarked, cells, wrapped in a fairly tough flexible, plastic wrap. A little forensics leads me to think the flexible outer shell probably absorbed some the initial blast and helped contain the shrapnel - or at least slow it down. I shutter to think what would have happened had it had exploded inside the steel case of of the equipment it was meant for. I bought it from one of the many vendors on ebay - I couldn't really say which one. I use these in many different projects. They're very convenient. The charger is a Tenergy Universal Lithium-Ion Smart Charger. I've used it 100's of times without a problem. I think this was just a couple of defective cells. Or, perhaps bad wiring. All I can say is the explosion was far beyond anything I've ever heard of happening with bad Li-Io cells. If it had been inside the steel case, it would have been a hand grenade. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 12/10/2014 5:15 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes > to put LI-Io batteries into while charging. Maybe good practice it to > charge them outside at least the first few times. > > Good to hear that you were not injured. > > Nick > N1KMP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From ormandj at corenode.com Wed Dec 10 19:40:50 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:40:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm glad to hear you are mostly OK. Very sorry to hear this happened. I use LiPo for R/C aircraft/helicopters, and charge them outside on the back patio clear of anything inside those bags for this very reason. I've had a couple grenade (you'd think figuratively, but as you described, literally) after collisions. For radio use, I switched to LiFe packs which seem to be much less volatile, and the discharge voltage curve is more conducive for radio use. You'll also get more cycles out of them. Not sure if you use your LiPo for radio, but I thought I'd offer that suggestion if you do. They have slightly less capacity, but with my KX3, I get a day of RX from a 4200mAh LiFe battery, and 2 hours of solid 10W output; much more when using something like SSB that isn't pulling the full 2A or so and isn't 100% duty cycle. Again, glad to hear you're OK. David - K5DJO On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion > battery packs. > > Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time being > charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless, > the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my > workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. The burn area on my workbench > exceeds 12 inches. If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my > eyes would have been badly affected. The sound level was at least equal to > a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous > particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. The furthest piece, > embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. About 2 > ounces of C4 would perform about the same. > > I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which > protected my body very well. I was only 18 inches from the pack when it > exploded. > > I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially > produced battery pack. I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof > box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Dec 10 19:52:24 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:52:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration Message-ID: The big secret is to hit enter after entering something into a CW memory field in the utility. If you just click "Save", the utility won't recognize the data you have entered. I think this is a bug in the Mac version of the utility. I don't know if it is also in the Unix or Windows versions. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/10/14 at 3:01 PM, joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) wrote: >I am a recent (two years) convert to Mac. > >Question #1: I got the CW memories to work once, but I forgot >how I did it. I use a logging program that does that for me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 10 19:57:55 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:57:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488E382.2030805@aol.com> References: <5488E382.2030805@aol.com> Message-ID: <5488EC13.7000609@foothill.net> Glad you weren't hurt. Anything in the first column of the periodic table are very reactive, starting with H for Hindenburg. I had a little Li-Poly RC battery burst into flames on our deck table when it was powering my KX1. Fortunately, I had it external on a little pigtail and I could fling it over the rail onto our gravel driveway. I believe the Li-Poly's are the least stable, followed by the Li-ion, and then LiFePO4. I charge any Li chemistry battery outside in a steel bucket using my solar panel, and I'd never put one inside my radios. Of course we have 2 laptops, two Kindle Fire's, and two Samsung Galaxy 5 phones, all with internal Li-ion batteries and none of those have burst into flames ... yet. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/10/2014 4:21 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion > battery packs. > > Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time being > charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. > Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing > items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. The burn area on > my workbench exceeds 12 inches. If I hadn't been wearing safety > glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected. The sound > level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned > and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. > The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the > ignition point. About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 20:04:39 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:04:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <5488EDA7.3010801@aol.com> I said 12 volt, but it was actually 11.1 volt. I use this type for the KX3, Quad-copters and driving computerized telescopes. I'm not familiar with LiFe. I'll have to look into them. I had no idea they could be so volatile! If I did, I sure has heck wouldn't have been sitting right in front of it on the bench. The XYL has just banned them from the house. Worse yet, it ruptured my right ear drum. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 12/10/2014 5:40 PM, David Orman wrote: > I'm glad to hear you are mostly OK. Very sorry to hear this happened. > I use LiPo for R/C aircraft/helicopters, and charge them outside on > the back patio clear of anything inside those bags for this very > reason. I've had a couple grenade (you'd think figuratively, but as > you described, literally) after collisions. > > For radio use, I switched to LiFe packs which seem to be much less > volatile, and the discharge voltage curve is more conducive for radio > use. You'll also get more cycles out of them. Not sure if you use your > LiPo for radio, but I thought I'd offer that suggestion if you do. > They have slightly less capacity, but with my KX3, I get a day of RX > from a 4200mAh LiFe battery, and 2 hours of solid 10W output; much > more when using something like SSB that isn't pulling the full 2A or > so and isn't 100% duty cycle. > > Again, glad to hear you're OK. > > David - K5DJO > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft > > wrote: > > Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around > Lithium-Ion battery packs. > > Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time > being charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. > Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, > blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. > The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches. If I hadn't been > wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly > affected. The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My > facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles > embedded in my skin, walls and table. The furthest piece, > embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. > About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. > > I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket > which protected my body very well. I was only 18 inches from the > pack when it exploded. > > I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a > commercially produced battery pack. I guess I will weld together > a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use > these battery packs again. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 20:07:14 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Stahl via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:07:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <8D1E2F5EF59DD1F-7B4-3383E@webmail-va132.sysops.aol.com> I too am very glad you escaped, as close as things were. This helps explain why lithium batteries are not allowed in checked luggage on airplanes. If anybody is traveling with such batteries, be sure they are in your carry on luggage. I suspect luggage screeners are on the lookout for them. There also are limits on how large and how many lithium batteries you are allowed as carry on, but my reading is that a normal KX3 user is not likely to be taking enough to hit the limits. Check the DOT website for full details. 73 - Jim K8MR -----Original Message----- From: Doug Person via Elecraft To: elecraft Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 6:40 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion battery packs. Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack. Fist time being charged. I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion. The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches. If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected. The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which protected my body very well. I was only 18 inches from the pack when it exploded. I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially produced battery pack. I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 20:15:08 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 01:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <964300984.8160141.1418260508187.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106149.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The more I read this, the more questions arise in my mind! >> If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, << Granted, some people wears Safety Glasses when working on their work bench. >> I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which protected my body very well. << A WELDING Jacket??!? Ok! You're a Welder. >> The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point. << Quite a powerful Explosion.? >> My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table. < To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:38 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion battery packs. Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.? Fist time being charged.? I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.? The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches.? If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.? The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.? The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point.? About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which protected my body very well.? I was only 18 inches from the pack when it exploded. I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially produced battery pack.? I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again. 73, Doug -- K0DXV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 20:16:40 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 01:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <1206926999.5029693.1418260600406.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100165.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I used to fly Radio Controlled Helicopters and I was always wary of LiPObatteries and they have been know to catch fire and to possibly explode. Never charge them unattended Some would put them in a can to help contain them if they do catch fire. From: Doug Person via Elecraft To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion battery packs. Today I was charging a new 12 volt Li-Io battery pack.? Fist time being charged.? I was using a specialized automatic Li-Io charger. Nonetheless, the battery pack exploded with an incredible force, blowing items off my workbench within 2 feet of the explosion.? The burn area on my workbench exceeds 12 inches.? If I hadn't been wearing safety glasses, I'm sure my eyes would have been badly affected.? The sound level was at least equal to a 44 magnum. My facial hair has been burned and there are numerous particles embedded in my skin, walls and table.? The furthest piece, embedded in ceiling, is at least 10 feet from the ignition point.? About 2 ounces of C4 would perform about the same. I consider myself lucky in that I was wearing my welding jacket which protected my body very well.? I was only 18 inches from the pack when it exploded. I never realized or expected such a thing to happen from a commercially produced battery pack.? I guess I will weld together a steel blast-proof box should I have nerve enough to ever use these battery packs again. 73, Doug -- K0DXV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Wed Dec 10 20:20:35 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:20:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488E7BD.5030808@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <5488E7BD.5030808@aol.com> Message-ID: <201412101920.35759.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Glad you weren't hurt - whew! It might be a good idea to report your experience to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. If your battery had a defect there's a distinct possibility other batteries from the same lot or manufacturer are defective also. Getting the CPSC involved might prevent someone else from being injured - or worse. There are downsides to packing more and more energy into smaller spaces. 73, Al On Wed December 10 2014 6:39:25 pm Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Have to admit, outside of actually combat, that was the scariest thing > I've ever experienced. The battery was a generic, Chinese manufactured, > lithium-Ion pack made up of 3 main, but unmarked, cells, wrapped in a > fairly tough flexible, plastic wrap. A little forensics leads me to > think the flexible outer shell probably absorbed some the initial blast > and helped contain the shrapnel - or at least slow it down. I shutter > to think what would have happened had it had exploded inside the steel > case of of the equipment it was meant for. I bought it from one of the > many vendors on ebay - I couldn't really say which one. I use these in > many different projects. They're very convenient. The charger is a > Tenergy Universal Lithium-Ion Smart Charger. I've used it 100's of > times without a problem. I think this was just a couple of defective > cells. Or, perhaps bad wiring. > > All I can say is the explosion was far beyond anything I've ever heard > of happening with bad Li-Io cells. If it had been inside the steel > case, it would have been a hand grenade. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On 12/10/2014 5:15 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > > One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes > > to put LI-Io batteries into while charging. Maybe good practice it to > > charge them outside at least the first few times. > > > > Good to hear that you were not injured. > > > > Nick > > N1KMP > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 10 20:44:43 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:44:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> Message-ID: <5488F70B.10902@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/10/2014 3:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion > battery packs. All Li-Ion packs are not created equal. Charging rates depend upon capacity, and proper Li-Ion packs have built-in protection modules. Study batteryspace.com to get a handle how these things are built. This company is "the American partner" of a small battery mfr in China. The Chinese company manufactures the cells, the American company puts them in packs with protection circuitry and suitable connectors, and does the marketing. My neighbor, W6GJB, bought one of their bigger LiFe 12V packs. Looks quite solid. 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 20:46:05 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bert via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:46:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Paddle RTTY Message-ID: It's been ages since I tried sending RTTY from my K3 using paddles; I've been using a SignaLink USB for RTTY for the past couple years! Anyway, I set up the K3 for FSK D, plugged the paddle into the paddle socket on the back of the K3, and no RTTY! So I checked cabling, etc., and still no RTTY using paddles. I switched over to CW mode and CW worked just fine! Back to FSK D and no RTTY. I have my call in an M1 macro, so I pushed M1 and got RTTY (text decoded properly!). Then I tried the paddles again -- nothing! So I pressed M1 and after my call was sent and the FSK was "diddling", my paddles worked! When the diddling stopped, the paddles no longer produced RTTY. What am I missing here? Bert, N4CW From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 20:50:16 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:50:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <964300984.8160141.1418260508187.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106149.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <964300984.8160141.1418260508187.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106149.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5488F858.2040909@aol.com> Which part? That my shop is a machine shop - or that Li-Io batteries could potentially kill you? > Sorry, but I find this kinda hard to digest. > ((((73)))) Milverton. / W9MMS > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ** From pfizenmayer at q.com Wed Dec 10 20:50:33 2014 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:50:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bamdswutching In-Reply-To: <5488D8A8.5000503@embarqmail.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk><54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5488D8A8.5000503@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2915E3B62590459E8C50FA8D353E36AD@HANKPC> Get a KPA500 - you get bandswitch buttons thrown in for free. Then I have M1-M4 set up modes wise on each band At my age I cannot remember which K3 number is which band. Now I just peck the band buttons on the KPA. K7HP I have my K3 set for Quick Memories, and use that for band switching. I run with the CONFIG:MEM0-9 set to BAND SEL. If you set it to NOR, it will not change to the last used frequency but will behave just like any other 00 - 99 memory. I use the Quick Memories for band switching (and seldom touch the BAND^/V button. Additionally, I have set the M1-M4 memories for each band. M1 takes me to the mid-CW segment of that band, M2 takes me to a mid-frequency for the SSB segment, and M3 takes me to the correct frequency for PSK Data mode operation on that band (I don't currently use M4). So I use the Quick Memories to take me to a particular band, then use the M1-M4 memories to navigate to a particular fixed frequency band segment and operating mode. I have the Quick Memories set to BAND SEL so if I hear something I might be interested in on the band I am tuned to at the moment, but want to check another band - when I come back to the original band, I am set to the last frequency used and can continue with that 'interesting' station. YMMV, but you *can* set the quick memories to go to a specific frequency, mode, etc. You just have to change the MEM 0-9 menu parameter to "NOR" - but then those memories behave just like any other memory slot - they will not be "Quick Memories". 73, Don W3FPR On 12/10/2014 2:25 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I'm not sure that my gripe is "on the list", although I've mentioned > it several times in other postings. > > So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement > Proposal/Program). > > The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful. > > Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve > is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example > CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A. If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 > HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, > then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In > other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, "The > K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories > (M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, > modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings...." > > The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, > accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a > starting point in each of 10 ham bands." Not even close. If I use > the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the > memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band > changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you > were on that band. > > So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually > remember---and recall---what was stored in them? My 13 year, at the > time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly. > > Wes N7WS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 10 21:00:06 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:00:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488F70B.10902@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <5488F70B.10902@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5488FAA6.1070809@aol.com> Any chemists on-board? Curious as to what the exact chemical process is that causes such a powerful state change. Hard to believe that something so dangerous and volatile is inside so many things we carry around in our pockets. I guess my mistake was getting a pack that did not have any sort of protection circuit in it. I don't recommend my personal method of discovering the need for them! I was assuming the charger knew what it was doing. Never will I trust that thing again. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 12/10/2014 6:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,12/10/2014 3:38 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> Just a quick note to affirm the need for caution around Lithium-Ion >> battery packs. > > All Li-Ion packs are not created equal. Charging rates depend upon > capacity, and proper Li-Ion packs have built-in protection modules. > Study batteryspace.com to get a handle how these things are built. > This company is "the American partner" of a small battery mfr in > China. The Chinese company manufactures the cells, the American > company puts them in packs with protection circuitry and suitable > connectors, and does the marketing. > > My neighbor, W6GJB, bought one of their bigger LiFe 12V packs. Looks > quite solid. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From softblue at windstream.net Wed Dec 10 21:04:07 2014 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:04:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Message-ID: <002401d014e6$bf4973c0$3ddc5b40$@windstream.net> .film at 11..? From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 10 21:42:09 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:42:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <5488FAA6.1070809@aol.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <5488F70B.10902@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5488FAA6.1070809@aol.com> Message-ID: <54890481.6020300@foothill.net> On 12/10/2014 6:00 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Any chemists on-board? Curious as to what the exact chemical process is > that causes such a powerful state change. Hard to believe that something > so dangerous and volatile is inside so many things we carry around in > our pockets. Charging [or discharging] batteries creates heat. Most everything [except fruitcake] will eventually become reactive in ways we don't enjoy if you create enough heat. Things early in the first column of the periodic table don't require much heat. Fruitcake never explodes. I've discovered a fundamental law: if(isabattery(the_thing) && isfromchina(source_of_the_thing)) { dontbuyit(); } My first experience with batteries-from-China occurred when I married my wife in 1967. A wedding gift was a wall clock. We unpacked it in our new apartment in So. Houston, installed the included Chinese 1.5V carbon-zinc dry cell, and hung it on the wall. About 2 months later, she asked me, "What's that running down the wall from the clock?" The battery was a "Flying Bomb" brand, I'm not making this up, which should have been a clue, alas ... I was newly married and focused on other things. It's like PL-259's ... if it's not Amphenol, don't waste your money, although so far, cheap PL-259's do not have a record of exploding. I learned during my engineering career that quality is built-in by the manufacturing process. You may find a good Chinese battery, but it may take a few explosions/fires before you do. I'm glad he's OK. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From phystad at mac.com Wed Dec 10 21:46:46 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:46:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart Message-ID: <09E1E613-560B-4767-8CAE-749F088C5FD1@mac.com> So, besides the nice warm weather (64 degrees today) we have a bit of gusty winds in the greater Seattle (Puget Sound) area tonight. I lost power ever so briefly, about 2 seconds maybe, during dinner at 5:45 PM. But, enough to cause restart of all the equipment except for laptop and other battery operated things and battery backup saved iMac-24 from a restart. I get on a CW Net at 6:30 PM (just a few minutes ago) and realized that my KAT500 tuned memory sections were out of whack. In fact, gone as if they did not exist. Doing a retune took the longest time of clicking relays and SWR racing all over the place as if the match was being searched from minus infinity. This may be he first time I have had such a situation since I got the KAT500 and I was one of the early adopters. Questions: 1. Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned positions. I checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire 80-meter band ? I mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections. 2. Or, is there something else happening. I have heard that the K3/KAT500 combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the KAT500. Is that possibly what happened here? I was not in the room when this happened so I am assuming that power on startup was a race and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be first but I don?t know. 3. I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all three of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles). 73, phil, K7PEH From phystad at mac.com Wed Dec 10 22:24:15 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:24:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart In-Reply-To: <09E1E613-560B-4767-8CAE-749F088C5FD1@mac.com> References: <09E1E613-560B-4767-8CAE-749F088C5FD1@mac.com> Message-ID: Regarding my questions below... I was reminded that the KAT500 utility has a save feature which I did dutifully use after I set all my memory tune spots. I have now restored my saved configurations. But, I would still like to know if this is the normal behavior -- that is, a loss of power means loss of memory meaning that the memory for the KAT500 is totally volatile?? I am pretty sure I have unplugged the equipment at times and have not lost anything so I am still confused of what is normal behavior on a power loss. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > So, besides the nice warm weather (64 degrees today) we have a bit of gusty winds in the greater Seattle (Puget Sound) area tonight. I lost power ever so briefly, about 2 seconds maybe, during dinner at 5:45 PM. But, enough to cause restart of all the equipment except for laptop and other battery operated things and battery backup saved iMac-24 from a restart. > > I get on a CW Net at 6:30 PM (just a few minutes ago) and realized that my KAT500 tuned memory sections were out of whack. In fact, gone as if they did not exist. Doing a retune took the longest time of clicking relays and SWR racing all over the place as if the match was being searched from minus infinity. > > This may be he first time I have had such a situation since I got the KAT500 and I was one of the early adopters. > > Questions: > > 1. Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned positions. I checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire 80-meter band ? I mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections. > > 2. Or, is there something else happening. I have heard that the K3/KAT500 combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the KAT500. Is that possibly what happened here? I was not in the room when this happened so I am assuming that power on startup was a race and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be first but I don?t know. > > 3. I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all three of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles). > > 73, phil, K7PEH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 10 22:34:28 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:34:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart In-Reply-To: <09E1E613-560B-4767-8CAE-749F088C5FD1@mac.com> References: <09E1E613-560B-4767-8CAE-749F088C5FD1@mac.com> Message-ID: <548910C4.2020007@foothill.net> On 12/10/2014 6:46 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > 1. Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned > positions. I checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire > 80-meter band ? I mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections. It doesn't sound like normal behavior, I imagine they're in EEPROM or something like that. > > 2. Or, is there something else happening. I have heard that the > K3/KAT500 combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the > KAT500. Is that possibly what happened here? I was not in the room > when this happened so I am assuming that power on startup was a race > and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be first but I don?t know. I once fired up the K3 ahead of the KAT500, and while it didn't lose its mind, things didn't work right. Removing power [really pulling the plugs] and restoring it with KAT500 ahead of K3 solved the problem. I'm pretty sure that the K-Line is like everything else in this house that runs on electricity, "off" isn't really all the way to "OFF." > > 3. I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all > three of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles). It is human nature to assume the worst when often it's a lot simpler. I'd try the "real OFF" thing first and re-power in the right order. Our low impedance/hi-current 21st century gear uses very large capacitors so give everything a chance to discharge. The KAT500 Utility will let you look at the current L-C values in the L-network for wherever the tuner thinks it is tuned, you might try moving through a band and see if they change as you QSY ... or are perhaps all zero? The Pineapple Express is moving into NorCal tonite, we're on a 69 KV tie line that runs through our pasture between two hydroelectric plants and we don't lose power very often, but just in case I think I'll pull the plug on everything before I head for bed. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From phystad at mac.com Wed Dec 10 23:02:41 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:02:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Tune Memory and Power Failure Restart In-Reply-To: <548910C4.2020007@foothill.net> References: <09E1E613-560B-4767-8CAE-749F088C5FD1@mac.com> <548910C4.2020007@foothill.net> Message-ID: <129BDB3F-2121-4CE6-8FF5-3660D098D6F5@mac.com> Fred, Thanks for the comments. I know more than I did before but I still do not know exactly what happened. I am now thinking that it is the antenna's fault as much as the loss of power or more so or at least a party to the crime. My bypass SWRs are anywhere close to what they were before so the wind has caused a problem with the antenna match I think. Too dark to check tonight so have to wait until tomorrow. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > On 12/10/2014 6:46 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> 1. Is it normal behavior to lose saved memory values of tuned >> positions. I checked other spots and nothing is saved on the entire >> 80-meter band ? I mean, I had high-SWR on all of my 20 KHz sections. > > It doesn't sound like normal behavior, I imagine they're in EEPROM or something like that. >> >> 2. Or, is there something else happening. I have heard that the >> K3/KAT500 combo gets messed up if the K3 comes alive before the >> KAT500. Is that possibly what happened here? I was not in the room >> when this happened so I am assuming that power on startup was a race >> and I am thinking that the KAT500 might be first but I don?t know. > > I once fired up the K3 ahead of the KAT500, and while it didn't lose its mind, things didn't work right. Removing power [really pulling the plugs] and restoring it with KAT500 ahead of K3 solved the problem. I'm pretty sure that the K-Line is like everything else in this house that runs on electricity, "off" isn't really all the way to "OFF." >> >> 3. I am assuming I have to reprogram all my memory locations for all >> three of my antennas (80/40/30 meter dipoles). > > It is human nature to assume the worst when often it's a lot simpler. I'd try the "real OFF" thing first and re-power in the right order. Our low impedance/hi-current 21st century gear uses very large capacitors so give everything a chance to discharge. The KAT500 Utility will let you look at the current L-C values in the L-network for wherever the tuner thinks it is tuned, you might try moving through a band and see if they change as you QSY ... or are perhaps all zero? > > The Pineapple Express is moving into NorCal tonite, we're on a 69 KV tie line that runs through our pasture between two hydroelectric plants and we don't lose power very often, but just in case I think I'll pull the plug on everything before I head for bed. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From steverob at shoreham.net Wed Dec 10 23:08:28 2014 From: steverob at shoreham.net (Steve Roberts) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries Message-ID: <8mdbiwyo5rq06ci72tgkgysv.1418270866402@email.android.com> Life-PO is the only way to go Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message -------- From: Fred Jensen Date: 12/10/2014 21:42 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries On 12/10/2014 6:00 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Any chemists on-board? Curious as to what the exact chemical process is > that causes such a powerful state change. Hard to believe that something > so dangerous and volatile is inside so many things we carry around in > our pockets. Charging [or discharging] batteries creates heat. Most everything [except fruitcake] will eventually become reactive in ways we don't enjoy if you create enough heat. Things early in the first column of the periodic table don't require much heat. Fruitcake never explodes. I've discovered a fundamental law: if(isabattery(the_thing) && isfromchina(source_of_the_thing)) { dontbuyit(); } My first experience with batteries-from-China occurred when I married my wife in 1967. A wedding gift was a wall clock. We unpacked it in our new apartment in So. Houston, installed the included Chinese 1.5V carbon-zinc dry cell, and hung it on the wall. About 2 months later, she asked me, "What's that running down the wall from the clock?" The battery was a "Flying Bomb" brand, I'm not making this up, which should have been a clue, alas ... I was newly married and focused on other things. It's like PL-259's ... if it's not Amphenol, don't waste your money, although so far, cheap PL-259's do not have a record of exploding. I learned during my engineering career that quality is built-in by the manufacturing process. You may find a good Chinese battery, but it may take a few explosions/fires before you do. I'm glad he's OK. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to steverob at shoreham.net From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Dec 10 23:16:04 2014 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:16:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <201412101920.35759.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <5488E7BD.5030808@aol.com> <201412101920.35759.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <54891A84.3020802@cis-broadband.com> That's the part lots of people here don't seem to understand. There is inherent jeopardy in having lots of stored energy in a small volume, coupled with a low enough internal resistance that allows very high current to flow in either direction ... both of which are the case for Li-ion batteries. All reputable Li-ion batteries have control circuitry that limits charge/discharge levels to reasonable levels. If that circuitry goes bad, or doesn't exist in the first place, bad things can happen. It's the nature of the beast, and isn't limited to Li-ion batteries. Put enough energy into a small enough space and we have the potential equivalent of a bomb, period. 73, Dave AB7E On 12/10/2014 6:20 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: There are downsides to packing more and more energy into smaller spaces. 73, Al From dezrat at outlook.com Wed Dec 10 23:28:04 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:28:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <201412101920.35759.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <5488E7BD.5030808@aol.com> <201412101920.35759.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:20:35 -0600, you wrote: > >Glad you weren't hurt - whew! It might be a good idea to report your >experience to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. REPLY: I was just about to suggest that myself. Please don't let this go unreported. 73, Bill W6WRT From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed Dec 10 23:55:03 2014 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:55:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <8mdbiwyo5rq06ci72tgkgysv.1418270866402@email.android.com> References: <8mdbiwyo5rq06ci72tgkgysv.1418270866402@email.android.com> Message-ID: <548923A7.4080505@cis-broadband.com> Agree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery In fact, I just ordered one to use externally with my K1 for some planned future Summits-On-The-Air activities. 73, Dave AB7E On 12/10/2014 9:08 PM, Steve Roberts wrote: > Life-PO is the only way to go > > From chad.we9v at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 23:58:59 2014 From: chad.we9v at gmail.com (Chad WE9V) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:58:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 AUTO vs MAN mode Message-ID: So I got my new KAT500 yesterday, and got it all trained to each of the segments, without reading a single reflector post on the subject (pat own back). Start operating and finding that it wants to tune again in the middle of a QSO (CW or SSB). (Even when the bypass SWR is 1.5) I wrote up a big post to my local club to ask for help there first, when someone says that's common operation. Need to run in MAN mode, not AUTO. Came here to the reflector archives (I'm not a regular reader) to see lots of suggestions to run in MAN mode. To me, this sounds like a band-aid workaround. Why do users (and Elecraft) think that running in MAN mode is the acceptable mode of operation? I'd like to suggest that this is a bug that is in need of firmware improvement. If I start a QSO with fine SWR, even on an antenna with less than 1.8:1 SWR, at no point during the QSO should I be in need of a retune, have the KPA500 go into keying bypass mode, and be left with 30 watts out or less due to it trying to tune on every dit and dah. Can this please be fixed so the KAT500 can be left in AUTO mode and only initiate a retune when the SWR is truly above the retune threshold? Respectfully, Chad WE9V From phils at riousa.com Thu Dec 11 00:03:24 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:03:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/23/2014 In-Reply-To: <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com> <0373FB1F-7227-45CD-90D6-A58233268644@riousa.com> <0F2EFBC9-807B-4076-BEA7-0D1E0EFA932E@riousa.com> <3440EB84-AAB2-4074-BA30-D518495E8C15@riousa.com> <4E04B3B5-2103-4F1B-9A4B-F5BCF9E324BF@riousa.com> <1027B2D2-BFDF-425E-B36A-68ECB20F97AF@riousa.com> <024F45C3-0B0E-4236-A269-BE0309474B54@riousa.com> <1A408DE9-0AEC-47C8-A591-E7B02DFDBAEC@riousa.com> <0AEF6092-2A7F-477E-B6CB-C0A6255B298B@riousa.com> <9CE1E9D7-6CE3-4248-BD5A-2D75F68B6492@riousa.com> <233D3512-FD5D-467D-A0C2-664C20ED7F73@riousa.com> <3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF 6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com> <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com> <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com> <58C5E613-F4D3-44B1-86D0-5984520EE834@riousa.com> <153371D3-9186-4D37-8172-12FB6332149E@riousa.com> <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> Message-ID: Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 23, 2014. We had 23 participants. Station Name QTH Rig S/N KC5RY George TX KX3 6291 QRP K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 W7JJL John WA KX3 993 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 KF5YBE Lee TX KX3 1484 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 W0CZ Ken ND KX3 4275 VE3XM Bob ON K3 409 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 N6LEW Lew CA K3 3805 QRP KC9LIF Kent IL K2 6896 QRP K7BIE Jim AZ K3 7992 KD4PS Dave IL KX3 3389 QRP K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 KK4QDZ Bill NC KX3 4515 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP NJ6L Neil CA K3 4601 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 W9JFB Jim IL KX3 1411 QRP N6CY/m Rich CA K3 1736 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 00:28:57 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:28:57 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request Message-ID: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after my flying car): Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to you? The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3, scrolling down the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long time. What if you could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant replay! Vic K2VCO/4X6GP > On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:15 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Asking for new features seems to have become common, you'd think Wayne > was Santa Claus and the employees were his elves. I'd like to weigh in > with one for me ... > > I've gotten a bit active in NTS, I even agreed to NCS one night a week. > I was very active in NTS in the mid-50's as a teenager. My P3 is > really cool for picking working frequencies up and down. However, I'm > having a problem remembering where I send who for what. I'd like a > feature that would put a tag with a call sign on the signal when I send > someone up or down for traffic. This shouldn't be too hard. ;-)) I'm > willing to type the call, although picking it out of my Notepad notes > would be icing on the cake. > > I'll leave cookies, milk, and a Corona out Christmas Eve, take your pick. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Dec 11 00:41:35 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:41:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request In-Reply-To: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is exactly the effect you get with cocoModem on PSK. Click on the waterfall and everything from then to now is decoded, possibly again. With two decoding windows (like VFOs), I generally tune around with both but use both to decode while making a QSO. The slightly different decoding frequencies (1-2 Hz at most) give complimentary results. I would love to have this feature in any system with a waterfall. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/11/14 at 9:28 PM, k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) wrote: >Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station >came back to you? The information is still there, sitting in >the memory of the P3, scrolling down the waterfall. On a large >monitor it is there for a long time. What if you could click on >a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant replay! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly From w6sx at arrl.net Thu Dec 11 00:47:21 2014 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:47:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request In-Reply-To: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> References: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Even better would be if someone could develop software to display logger bandmap on the P3SVGA monitor. 73, Hank, W6SX On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to > you? The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3, > scrolling down the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long > time. What if you could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play > it back? Instant replay! > > Vic K2VCO/4X6GP > From KK at ccf.net Thu Dec 11 05:49:42 2014 From: KK at ccf.net (Klaus Koppendorfer) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW QSK improvement -- summary of early test results In-Reply-To: <09FD9511-2598-4196-9E66-EAD6376D76FC@elecraft.com> References: <09FD9511-2598-4196-9E66-EAD6376D76FC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <3071c14cbfb145bebf5d5e30c15dbeb5@EX2013.ccf.net> Did testing new qsk This is a great improvement !!!!!! Could not imagine that my ufb working k3 line could be further improved !! My decition to go with elecraft was right Several times last years i got a "new" K3 just with upload new firmware :) :) With yaecomwood i would have to buy serveral new Rigs to get new functions or to get bugfix My wishes for xmas: QRQ mode with rit !!! 73 Klaus Oe6kyg We sent K3 rev. 5.01 firmware to about 50 CW operators, and we've been hearing great reports -- everything from "It's like a whole new radio!" to "#@$&*!! Why didn't you do this years ago?!" :) If you were on the fence about trying the field-test release, but would now like to give it a try, email me directly and I'll send you a copy. We're also likely to release it to beta with in a day or two. 73, Wayne N6KR From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Thu Dec 11 06:32:48 2014 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:32:48 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Paddle RTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548980E0.7020402@horizon.co.fk> Hi, Discovered the same a couple of days ago but hadn't got around to investigating it. Don't know when it started but FWIW running 04.93 family firmware. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 10/12/2014 22:46, Bert via Elecraft wrote: > It's been ages since I tried sending RTTY from my K3 using paddles; I've > been using a SignaLink USB for RTTY for the past couple years! Anyway, I set > up the K3 for FSK D, plugged the paddle into the paddle socket on the back > of the K3, and no RTTY! > So I checked cabling, etc., and still no RTTY using paddles. I switched > over to CW mode and CW worked just fine! Back to FSK D and no RTTY. I have my > call in an M1 macro, so I pushed M1 and got RTTY (text decoded properly!). > Then I tried the paddles again -- nothing! So I pressed M1 and after my > call was sent and the FSK was "diddling", my paddles worked! When the diddling > stopped, the paddles no longer produced RTTY. > What am I missing here? > Bert, N4CW From andy.nehan at btinternet.com Thu Dec 11 07:09:22 2014 From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:09:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 update - sounds good. I suspect I will be eager to be one the early adopters Message-ID: <33505607.22275.1418299762564.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Thanks for the "heads up" (awful expression) on the P3 update. Must say it sounds good - I will keep my eyes peeled for announcements. Andy G4HUE From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 11 08:01:20 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:01:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 AUTO vs MAN mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548995A0.6020903@embarqmail.com> Chad, This is a situation that is the result of the KAT500 useing a single detector for sampling the forward and reverse power. In other words, both cannot be sampled at exactly the same time. If the forward power is sampled when the power is low and then the reverse power is sampled when the power is high the computed SWR will be a higher value than actual. This can occur with the syllabic power change in SSB, but it is also possible to occur with high speed CW. The firmware developer has been working to shorten the sampling interval, but so far he has made improvement, but it may not be possible to completely eliminate the difference without hardware changes to allow simultaneous sampling. The solution is to run the KAT500 in MAN instead of AUTO once you have 'trained' the tuner to any particular antenna. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/10/2014 11:58 PM, Chad WE9V wrote: > So I got my new KAT500 yesterday, and got it all trained to each of the > segments, without reading a single reflector post on the subject (pat own > back). Start operating and finding that it wants to tune again in the > middle of a QSO (CW or SSB). (Even when the bypass SWR is 1.5) I wrote up > a big post to my local club to ask for help there first, when someone says > that's common operation. Need to run in MAN mode, not AUTO. > > Came here to the reflector archives (I'm not a regular reader) to see lots > of suggestions to run in MAN mode. > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Dec 11 08:21:05 2014 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:21:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request In-Reply-To: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> References: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54899A41.5020208@cis-broadband.com> That's actually pretty much what I have used CW Skimmer for in several contests. I feed the audio from my K3 into my computer sound card, and I use CW Skimmer in "Audio Mode" (essentially single single frequency audio bandwidth) without the decoding feature enabled. In other words, I use CW Skimmer purely for it's excellent waterfall (sharpest and clearest I've seen amongst similar software) that scrolls from right to left so that the display can be visibly decoded by eye in the proper orientation (reading left to right). I even wrote a couple of AutoHotKey macros to have CW Skimmer pause/unpause the display when I realize I've missed a character. Even without the pause macro I can fit about twelve seconds worth of readable history on my 22 inch display. It took a bit of recalibration to learn how to decode by eye and I don't have to use it often, but at times it comes in very handy to avoid repeat requests. 73, Dave AB7E On 12/10/2014 10:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after my flying car): > > Ever miss a letter in a call or aren't sure if a DX station came back to you? The information is still there, sitting in the memory of the P3, scrolling down the waterfall. On a large monitor it is there for a long time. What if you could click on a spot on the screen with a mouse and play it back? Instant replay! > > Vic K2VCO/4X6GP > From drchaz at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 09:04:19 2014 From: drchaz at gmail.com (Eklund Charles) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:04:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/Mac Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the replies. I figured out the CW macros. Once I figured out the mode has to be set to CW and Vox turned on, it worked fine. Lots of good Mac/Ke info. I?m still pondering, but leaning that way for sure. Chuck "Wisdom is the reward you get for a lifetime of listening when you would rather have talked." Mark Twain From chad.we9v at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 09:45:38 2014 From: chad.we9v at gmail.com (Chad WE9V) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:45:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 AUTO vs MAN mode In-Reply-To: <548995A0.6020903@embarqmail.com> References: <548995A0.6020903@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The firmware developer has been working to shorten the sampling interval, > but so far he has made improvement I can't make a single QSO (CW or SSB) in AUTO mode without it wanting a re-tune and taking the KPA500 off-line. I guess I would have been really disappointed before the improvements were made. The "solution" is a work-around, not a solution. No where in the manual does it say that for proper operation, the tuner must be left in MAN mode. Very disappointing. Chad WE9V From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Thu Dec 11 10:45:37 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:45:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries (re-send) Message-ID: <201412110945.37897.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> (Re-sending this as it didn't appear to go through the first time, but with an edit to include additional info.) Glad you weren't hurt - whew! It might be a good idea to report your experience to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. If your battery had a defect there's a distinct possibility other batteries from the same lot or manufacturer are defective also. Getting the CPSC involved might prevent someone else from being injured - or worse. There are downsides to packing more and more energy into smaller spaces. EDIT: In a related item, I just noticed the following on UPS' website: --- Service Update International regulations applicable to air shipments of lithium metal batteries have changed. Compliance with the new regulations becomes mandatory January 1, 2015. The regulations, published by the International Air Transport Association (IATA), prohibit transport of lithium metal batteries (shipped without equipment) on passenger aircraft. As a result, UPS will limit transport of these shipments to within its International Dangerous Goods (IDG) network. --- 73, Al On Wed December 10 2014 6:39:25 pm Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Have to admit, outside of actually combat, that was the scariest thing > I've ever experienced. The battery was a generic, Chinese manufactured, > lithium-Ion pack made up of 3 main, but unmarked, cells, wrapped in a > fairly tough flexible, plastic wrap. A little forensics leads me to > think the flexible outer shell probably absorbed some the initial blast > and helped contain the shrapnel - or at least slow it down. I shutter > to think what would have happened had it had exploded inside the steel > case of of the equipment it was meant for. I bought it from one of the > many vendors on ebay - I couldn't really say which one. I use these in > many different projects. They're very convenient. The charger is a > Tenergy Universal Lithium-Ion Smart Charger. I've used it 100's of > times without a problem. I think this was just a couple of defective > cells. Or, perhaps bad wiring. > > All I can say is the explosion was far beyond anything I've ever heard > of happening with bad Li-Io cells. If it had been inside the steel > case, it would have been a hand grenade. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On 12/10/2014 5:15 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > > One thing available and recommended are fireproof/resistant envelopes > > to put LI-Io batteries into while charging. Maybe good practice it to > > charge them outside at least the first few times. > > > > Good to hear that you were not injured. > > > > Nick > > N1KMP > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From K2TK at ptd.net Thu Dec 11 12:30:59 2014 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 AUTO vs MAN mode In-Reply-To: References: <548995A0.6020903@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5489D4D3.8000902@ptd.net> Hi Chad, Well Don gave the correct reason, as he always does. The nomenclature of auto and manual refers only to the initiation of the tune cycle. Man is in fact automatic after training. Maybe a better term would semiautomatic. It in manual will not initiate a tune cycle but will automatically use stored values for where you are in the band, after training. I do not know what is written up in the latest manuals. My KAT was from the 1st batch (SN 39) and I have old manuals. However when the new software for the K line was introduced Wayne did a write up on it. If you do not have it I can send it to you as a PDF. Manual is where you should be and is stated as such. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 12/11/2014 9:45 AM, Chad WE9V wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> The firmware developer has been working to shorten the sampling interval, >> but so far he has made improvement > > I can't make a single QSO (CW or SSB) in AUTO mode without it wanting a > re-tune and taking the KPA500 off-line. I guess I would have been really > disappointed before the improvements were made. The "solution" is a > work-around, not a solution. No where in the manual does it say that for > proper operation, the tuner must be left in MAN mode. > > Very disappointing. > > Chad WE9V > ______________________________________________________________ > From wes at triconet.org Thu Dec 11 12:44:26 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:44:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> Mea Culpa. Although I have the latest (I think) pdf K3 manual, some of my research used the printed (and now out-of-date) manual that came with my radio. I now understand the difference between "NOR" and "Band-Sel". However, that doesn't negate all of my concerns. The manual states for example, that antenna selection is remembered. Perhaps that applies to units with the built-in tuner, but it sure doesn't remember the state of the RX antenna selection. Other parameters that I believe should be memorized and recalled are ATT, PRE, LOCK, FIL and probably others. In other words I would like to be able to recover to a previously recorded state. Now, let's say I use my "Split" macro that locks VFO A, and sets VFO B up 1 KHz and goes into Split mode, while there I fiddle with the Filter selection. If in M1, Split is off, VFO A = X, VFO B = Y, a FIL is selected and normalized and Lock is off I would like to get this all back by a press of M>V and M1. As it stands, the VFOs will revert okay but will still be locked and the filter will be what ever it was before. Maybe this is the best that can be expected but I hope not. Wes N7WS On 12/10/2014 12:51 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Wes, > > At present we only save one bandwidth in data modes. Fixing that is a top priority. > > >> The manual goes on to say, "Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands." Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. > There are two settings for quick-memories 00-09: fixed-frequency (NOR) or last-used-frequency (BAND-SEL). The CONFIG:MEM 0-9 menu entry is used to make this selection. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 11 12:44:46 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:44:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "feature" request In-Reply-To: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> References: <7B3D9232-15B5-4C08-B21B-72BAC6D63F7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5489D80E.3030008@foothill.net> I was joking. Apparently "cookies, milk, and a Corona on Christmas Eve" wasn't as obvious as I thought it would be. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/10/2014 9:28 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > If we are in the realm of science fiction, here is what I want (after > my flying car): From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 11 13:17:34 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:17:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 AUTO vs MAN mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5489DFBE.2080906@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/10/2014 8:58 PM, Chad WE9V wrote: > Came here to the reflector archives (I'm not a regular reader) to see lots > of suggestions to run in MAN mode. That's exactly right, Chad. Train it as you did, then run it in MAN mode. As it senses your frequency, it will call up your trained settings. The only thing you need to do now is retrain it for the frequencies where it has autotuned. 73, Jim K9YC From steverob at shoreham.net Thu Dec 11 15:11:16 2014 From: steverob at shoreham.net (Stephen Roberts) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 play nice with an LDG AT 100 PROII? Message-ID: <46284FCC-185B-4793-B3F1-242F69CCE26F@shoreham.net> Can't afford to get the tuner and the amp so thinking of just getting the amp for now. Do you think there would be a major diff using an outboard tuner like the LDG? Steve, W1SFR From sjl219 at optonline.net Thu Dec 11 15:29:39 2014 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:29:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 play nice with an LDG AT 100 PROII? In-Reply-To: <46284FCC-185B-4793-B3F1-242F69CCE26F@shoreham.net> References: <46284FCC-185B-4793-B3F1-242F69CCE26F@shoreham.net> Message-ID: <12512c0b.170618.14a3b0aed47.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Steve, I did not buy the internal tuner either. ?Instead I use an SGC-237 remote autocoupler with my KXPA100 and there are no problems at all. ?The only thing I have to remember is to initially turn the power knob on the KX3 down to under 20 watts when I go to a new band until the initial match is resolved. ?Then I can jack it up. ?I believe the internal tuner would be smart enough to reduce tune power automatically but with an outboard setup you have to do it yourself. ? 73, Stan WB2LQF On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 03:11 PM, Stephen Roberts wrote: > Can't afford to get the tuner and the amp so thinking of just getting > the amp for now. Do you think there would be a major diff using an > outboard tuner like the LDG? > > Steve, W1SFR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > From droese at necg.de Thu Dec 11 15:39:57 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:39:57 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Paddle RTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548A011D.4020308@necg.de> VOX on? 73, Olli Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 11.12.2014 02:46, schrieb Bert via Elecraft: > It's been ages since I tried sending RTTY from my K3 using paddles; I've > been using a SignaLink USB for RTTY for the past couple years! Anyway, I set > up the K3 for FSK D, plugged the paddle into the paddle socket on the back > of the K3, and no RTTY! > So I checked cabling, etc., and still no RTTY using paddles. I switched > over to CW mode and CW worked just fine! Back to FSK D and no RTTY. I have my > call in an M1 macro, so I pushed M1 and got RTTY (text decoded properly!). > Then I tried the paddles again -- nothing! So I pressed M1 and after my > call was sent and the FSK was "diddling", my paddles worked! When the diddling > stopped, the paddles no longer produced RTTY. > What am I missing here? > Bert, N4CW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From w3ll at arrl.net Thu Dec 11 16:42:39 2014 From: w3ll at arrl.net (Bud Governale) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Transmit When WAV File Is Played Message-ID: <6B757569554848B6A6E2D53A4C0717DE@Bud2> When I hit a function key in N1MM the correct wav file plays as heard thru the computer speakers. However the K3 (in SSB mode) does not transmit. Any suggestions? 73, Bud W3LL w3ll at arrl.net From k2mk at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 17:10:48 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:10:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Transmit When WAV File Is Played In-Reply-To: <6B757569554848B6A6E2D53A4C0717DE@Bud2> References: <6B757569554848B6A6E2D53A4C0717DE@Bud2> Message-ID: <1418335848277-7595840.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bud, I'll assume that you have a cable from PC audio out to the K3 Line In. Are you using VOX or are you sending a serial signal from your PC to K3 to transmit. If VOX be sure VOX is on. Make sure MENU:MIC+LIN is ON Go into the MENU:MIC SEL and chose LINE IN. Put the K3 into test mode or run it into a dummy load. Put the K3 into transmit manually with the XMIT button. Adjust the MIC knob for proper ALC levels on the K3. (You may also have to adjust the line out level on your PC). After you have completed the level adjustment remember to turn the MENU:MIC SEL back to your normal microphone input (front or rear). 73, Mike K2MK Bud Governale, W3LL wrote > When I hit a function key in N1MM the correct wav file plays as heard thru > the computer speakers. > > However the K3 (in SSB mode) does not transmit. > > Any suggestions? > > 73, > Bud W3LL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-No-Transmit-When-WAV-File-Is-Played-tp7595839p7595840.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:35:46 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:35:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Transmit When WAV File Is Played In-Reply-To: <6B757569554848B6A6E2D53A4C0717DE@Bud2> References: <6B757569554848B6A6E2D53A4C0717DE@Bud2> Message-ID: <548A1C42.6040006@embarqmail.com> Bud, Are you using a microphone connected to the computer - so the same audio path is used for the microphone and the WAV file output? If you prefer a microphone connected directly to the K3, then you will have to set the K3 to MIC+LINE and plug the soundcard output to the K3 Line In jack. Adjust the soundcard output to adequately drive the K3 ALC meter (you can do that in TX TEST so no signal is transmitted). Drive the ALC meter to the same level as you get from the microphone - it should be 5 to 7 bars. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/11/2014 4:42 PM, Bud Governale wrote: > When I hit a function key in N1MM the correct wav file plays as heard thru the computer speakers. > > However the K3 (in SSB mode) does not transmit. > > Any suggestions? > > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Dec 11 17:49:11 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:49:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration Message-ID: On 12/10/14 at 4:52 PM, I wrote: >The big secret is to hit enter after entering something into a >CW memory field in the utility. If you just click "Save", the >utility won't recognize the data you have entered. I think this >is a bug in the Mac version of the utility. I don't know if it >is also in the Unix or Windows versions. I got an email in response asking if I was running the latest version of the utility. I thought the utilities automatically checked their version when checking the firmware versions so of course I was running the current version, but that was wrong. It turns out I was running an old version and the bug has been corrected in the newest version. I was told Elecraft will look into having the utility check its own version. It is a good idea. You have to wade through too many web pages to check manually. It gets old if you have a bunch of utilities to check. An announcement on this list of new versions of the utilities would also be nice. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 11 18:09:08 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:09:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> Message-ID: <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> Wes, Are you certain you had all the desired parameters set in the K3 when you stored the M1-M4 per band memories? I find that they do save the mode, frequencies, filter settings and antenna selection that you have requested. I don't know about your Split Macro and the LOCK functions or the RX antenna because I have not tried those in my setup. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/11/2014 12:44 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Mea Culpa. Although I have the latest (I think) pdf K3 manual, some > of my research used the printed (and now out-of-date) manual that came > with my radio. I now understand the difference between "NOR" and > "Band-Sel". > > However, that doesn't negate all of my concerns. The manual states > for example, that antenna selection is remembered. Perhaps that > applies to units with the built-in tuner, but it sure doesn't remember > the state of the RX antenna selection. > > Other parameters that I believe should be memorized and recalled are > ATT, PRE, LOCK, FIL and probably others. In other words I would like > to be able to recover to a previously recorded state. > > Now, let's say I use my "Split" macro that locks VFO A, and sets VFO B > up 1 KHz and goes into Split mode, while there I fiddle with the > Filter selection. If in M1, Split is off, VFO A = X, VFO B = Y, a FIL > is selected and normalized and Lock is off I would like to get this > all back by a press of M>V and M1. As it stands, the VFOs will revert > okay but will still be locked and the filter will be what ever it was > before. > From w2up at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 18:22:08 2014 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:22:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <548923A7.4080505@cis-broadband.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <8mdbiwyo5rq06ci72tgkgysv.1418270866402@email.android.com> <548923A7.4080505@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <1418340128363-7595844.post@n2.nabble.com> Don't blame the technology. Blame the poor manufacturing process and the lack of quality control so rampant in China. Remember the Chinese drywall that was shipped to Florida and emitted toxic gasses? Would you tell people not to use drywall in their homes? Remember the Chinese pet food that killed a lot of cats and dogs? A Tesla Model S has 7000 Li ion batteries in it. They aren't blowing up (OK, there was one fire 2-3 years ago in a Tesla that ran over a metal spike which punctured the battery compartment.) Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Being-cautious-around-Li-Ion-Batteries-tp7595790p7595844.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 11 18:26:59 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:26:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Being cautious around Li-Ion Batteries In-Reply-To: <1418340128363-7595844.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5488D95C.8060807@aol.com> <8mdbiwyo5rq06ci72tgkgysv.1418270866402@email.android.com> <548923A7.4080505@cis-broadband.com> <1418340128363-7595844.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <548A2843.6030400@socal.rr.com> On 12/11/14 3:22 PM, Barry wrote: > A Tesla Model S has 7000 Li ion batteries in it. They aren't blowing up. > Barry W2UP And a good thing, too. Imagine the excitement with such an event! Phil W7OX From eric at elecraft.com Thu Dec 11 18:36:40 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:36:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Macros and K3/MAC integration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548A2A88.8040905@elecraft.com> Hi Bill, http://www.elecraft.com/software/elecraft_software_page.htm always has the latest firmware and utility versions listed for each of our products. 73, Eric elecraft.com On 12/11/2014 2:49 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > On 12/10/14 at 4:52 PM, I wrote: > >> The big secret is to hit enter after entering something into a CW memory >> field in the utility. If you just click "Save", the utility won't recognize >> the data you have entered. I think this is a bug in the Mac version of the >> utility. I don't know if it is also in the Unix or Windows versions. > > I got an email in response asking if I was running the latest version of the > utility. I thought the utilities automatically checked their version when > checking the firmware versions so of course I was running the current version, > but that was wrong. > > It turns out I was running an old version and the bug has been corrected in > the newest version. > > I was told Elecraft will look into having the utility check its own version. > It is a good idea. You have to wade through too many web pages to check > manually. It gets old if you have a bunch of utilities to check. An > announcement on this list of new versions of the utilities would also be nice. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From restonham at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 18:52:13 2014 From: restonham at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale Message-ID: I received numerous inquiries on my KX3 since my original posting about 2 months ago. Most wanted my sale to include things I don't have or wanted to make trades. I'm not interested in trades and I can't sell what I don't have. Also, a surprising number of inquiries were to ask if the rig was still for sale - when I replied that it was, they disappeared. My KX3 is in mint condition and is serial number 1703. Package includes KX3 160-6M transceiver, KXAT3 internal tuner, MH3 microphone, KXPD3 Precision Iambic Keyer Paddle, KX3-PCKT accessory cable set, KXSER rs-232 cable, BNC right angle, the USB interface cable and all manuals. Everything mentioned above is included with the rig. If it's not mentioned, it's not included. I have all the original boxes and manuals. Nonsmoking environment and never mobile or portable. $1,150 shipped USPS Priority Mail. Insurance above flat rate minimum and/or PayPal is at your expense. 73, Steve, N4EUK From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 23:54:27 2014 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:54:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Message-ID: <1418360067377-7595848.post@n2.nabble.com> Does anyone have a KAT100 original case. I had mine mounted in a E2 Case and cant find what I did with the original kat100 case. I installed my kpa100 amp on my k2 and now want to put the kat100 back to original. Anyone with a kat100 case please contact me at kc6cnn at gmail.com Thank you Gerald Manthey KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K2 # 5486 K3 # 6254 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT100-tp7595848.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri Dec 12 02:00:18 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for RF probe Message-ID: <1128402126.5366271.1418367618202.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10957.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Dear Elecrafters, During the construciton of either K2 or K1, you will have a RF probe kit.? I know the components are very cheap and readily available.? However, if you do have a surplus one.? I will like to take it.? It is very light weight and can be easily sent by airmail. Please reply off-the-list. 73 Johnny VR2XMC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 12 11:38:27 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:38:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> Message-ID: <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on his web page. 73, Jim K9YC -------- Forwarded Message -------- De Tom, AK4EH, I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time. After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided to offer my radio station for sale because of the below circumstances. Since I trust that you may be able to contact other hams who could be interested in my listing, I turn to you for assistance. The below complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for equipment that has been in a climate controlled office, dust levels maintained to a minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I prefer to sell the complete system at one time, rather than piecemeal. My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone number is (850) 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur Radio Operator License may schedule an appointment for operation of all the listed equipment according to their class of license. Interested parties must show their license and enter call sign, operation times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. Declining health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, has forced me to liquidate items that would be difficult for my wife to dispose of later on. I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered for sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my radio shack to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working order. Thank you for considering my listing. Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter with optional internal module); Equipped with: Most recent firmware updates. PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. 100w RF integrated amplifier module. Oven controlled master oscillator. IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. RF I/O unit for RX antenna. Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: Most recent firmware updates. VGA monitor output. All cabling. Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, equipped with: Most recent firmware updates. Serial Data xfer cable. Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor controlled with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. Serial Data xfer cable. MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage 150/300, with programmable settings and features. Digital and analog dual needles display forward and reflected power. MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display indicates polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. Three coax lightning protectors. Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for SSB, Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for serious signal monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in package offering. Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc by a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital meters for voltage and amps. Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty rotator; Includes IR remote control. Heil Proset Headset with microphone. Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not need radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR receiver mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because of using XP) Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original probes. X, Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement results. In excellent operational condition. Brightness has full range. Auto Triggering. Three laminated wall charts in color: ARRL Radio Map of North America ARRL Radio Map of the World ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TowerTalk mailing list TowerTalk at contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Dec 12 12:23:13 2014 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:23:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple of sentences all I can hear in my head is "SCAM! Run!!!" On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on his > web page. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > De Tom, AK4EH, > > I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time. > After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided to offer my > radio station for sale because of the below circumstances. Since I > trust that you may be able to contact other hams who could be > interested in my listing, I turn to you for assistance. > The below complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for > equipment that has been in a climate controlled office, dust levels > maintained to a minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I prefer to > sell the complete system at one time, rather than piecemeal. > My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone number is > (850) 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur Radio Operator > License may schedule an appointment for operation of all the listed > equipment according to their class of license. Interested parties must > show their license and enter call sign, operation times/modes/freq?s > in my logbook. > Declining health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, has > forced me to liquidate items that would be difficult for my wife to > dispose of later on. > I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered for > sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my radio shack > to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working order. > Thank you for considering my listing. > > Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter with > optional internal module); Equipped with: > Most recent firmware updates. > PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. > 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. > Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. > 100w RF integrated amplifier module. > Oven controlled master oscillator. > IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. > RF I/O unit for RX antenna. > Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. > All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. > PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation > > Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: > Most recent firmware updates. > VGA monitor output. > All cabling. > > Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, equipped > with: > Most recent firmware updates. > Serial Data xfer cable. > > Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor controlled > with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: > 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. > Serial Data xfer cable. > MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage > 150/300, with programmable settings and features. Digital and analog > dual needles display forward and reflected power. > > MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display indicates > polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. > > MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: > -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. > MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. > > MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. > > Three coax lightning protectors. > > Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. > > RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. > > Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. > > RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for SSB, > Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. > > SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. > > Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz > continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for serious signal > monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User > guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in package offering. > Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). > > > Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp > continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc > by a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital meters > for voltage and amps. > > Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty > rotator; Includes IR remote control. > > Heil Proset Headset with microphone. > > Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. > > Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not need > radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w > > Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. Includes > RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting > > Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. > > Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR receiver > mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers > included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because of using XP) > > Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original probes. X, > Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement results. > In excellent operational condition. Brightness has full range. Auto > Triggering. > > Three laminated wall charts in color: > ARRL Radio Map of North America > ARRL Radio Map of the World > ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones > Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TowerTalk mailing list > TowerTalk at contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com From phystad at mac.com Fri Dec 12 13:12:30 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:12:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> Where do you even get a hint that this is a Scam! I mean, guys offer up things for sale all the time and the sales are successfully completed all the time. I see nothing in this posting that suggests anything other than what the author claims: failing health forcing the sale of ham radio equipment. I know of several hams who have been in the same predicament. I know that this post is indirect (originally posted elsewhere but the poster to this forum, K9YC, is definitely not a guy who is out to participate in a scam. I have never met him personally but he is just not that kind of a guy from my experience here plus reading all the free technical stuff he writes and contributes. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Dec 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple of sentences all I can hear in my head is "SCAM! Run!!!" > > On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on his web page. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> De Tom, AK4EH, >> >> I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time. After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided to offer my radio station for sale because of the below circumstances. Since I trust that you may be able to contact other hams who could be interested in my listing, I turn to you for assistance. >> The below complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for equipment that has been in a climate controlled office, dust levels maintained to a minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I prefer to sell the complete system at one time, rather than piecemeal. >> My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone number is (850) 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur Radio Operator License may schedule an appointment for operation of all the listed equipment according to their class of license. Interested parties must show their license and enter call sign, operation times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. >> Declining health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, has forced me to liquidate items that would be difficult for my wife to dispose of later on. >> I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered for sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my radio shack to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working order. >> Thank you for considering my listing. >> >> Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter with optional internal module); Equipped with: >> Most recent firmware updates. >> PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. >> 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. >> Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. >> 100w RF integrated amplifier module. >> Oven controlled master oscillator. >> IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. >> RF I/O unit for RX antenna. >> Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. >> All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. >> PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation >> >> Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: >> Most recent firmware updates. >> VGA monitor output. >> All cabling. >> >> Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, equipped with: >> Most recent firmware updates. >> Serial Data xfer cable. >> >> Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor controlled with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: >> 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. >> Serial Data xfer cable. >> MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage 150/300, with programmable settings and features. Digital and analog dual needles display forward and reflected power. >> >> MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display indicates polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. >> >> MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: >> -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. >> MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. >> >> MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. >> >> Three coax lightning protectors. >> >> Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. >> >> RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. >> >> Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. >> >> RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for SSB, Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. >> >> SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. >> >> Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for serious signal monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in package offering. Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). >> >> >> Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc by a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital meters for voltage and amps. >> >> Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty rotator; Includes IR remote control. >> >> Heil Proset Headset with microphone. >> >> Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. >> >> Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not need radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w >> >> Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting >> >> Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. >> >> Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR receiver mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because of using XP) >> >> Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original probes. X, Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement results. In excellent operational condition. Brightness has full range. Auto Triggering. >> >> Three laminated wall charts in color: >> ARRL Radio Map of North America >> ARRL Radio Map of the World >> ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones >> Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TowerTalk mailing list >> TowerTalk at contesting.com >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Dec 12 13:35:42 2014 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:35:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> Message-ID: <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> From the very first sentence of the forwarded message: "I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time." I meant no disrespect to K9YC. He probably jumped to the list of items for sale and didn't really read the first paragraph. From the subject, it applies to this list, and he's trying to be helpful (as he always does). Before I retired, I ran an ISP. I've had the same E-Mail address for decades, and I still get hundreds of "Nigerian 419 scams" a month. They all start with an apology, and it's clear whoever wrote this is not a native speaker of English. That's fine, but the message is allegedly from a U.S. Ham. I'd be very wary. I'd contact Tom, AK4EH through his callbook information, and I'd talk to him. If he's not a native speaker of English I'd proceed with the transaction. If not, then someone is using Tom's callsign to "sell" equipment he doesn't have. That's not entirely unknown either. 73 -- Lynn On 12/12/2014 10:12 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Where do you even get a hint that this is a Scam! I mean, guys offer up things for sale all the time and the sales are successfully completed all the time. I see nothing in this posting that suggests anything other than what the author claims: failing health forcing the sale of ham radio equipment. I know of several hams who have been in the same predicament. > > I know that this post is indirect (originally posted elsewhere but the poster to this forum, K9YC, is definitely not a guy who is out to participate in a scam. I have never met him personally but he is just not that kind of a guy from my experience here plus reading all the free technical stuff he writes and contributes. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Dec 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> >> Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple of sentences all I can hear in my head is "SCAM! Run!!!" >> >> On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on his web page. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> De Tom, AK4EH, >>> >>> I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time. After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided to offer my radio station for sale because of the below circumstances. Since I trust that you may be able to contact other hams who could be interested in my listing, I turn to you for assistance. >>> The below complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for equipment that has been in a climate controlled office, dust levels maintained to a minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I prefer to sell the complete system at one time, rather than piecemeal. >>> My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone number is (850) 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur Radio Operator License may schedule an appointment for operation of all the listed equipment according to their class of license. Interested parties must show their license and enter call sign, operation times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. >>> Declining health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, has forced me to liquidate items that would be difficult for my wife to dispose of later on. >>> I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered for sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my radio shack to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working order. >>> Thank you for considering my listing. >>> >>> Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter with optional internal module); Equipped with: >>> Most recent firmware updates. >>> PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. >>> 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. >>> Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. >>> 100w RF integrated amplifier module. >>> Oven controlled master oscillator. >>> IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. >>> RF I/O unit for RX antenna. >>> Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. >>> All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. >>> PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation >>> >>> Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: >>> Most recent firmware updates. >>> VGA monitor output. >>> All cabling. >>> >>> Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, equipped with: >>> Most recent firmware updates. >>> Serial Data xfer cable. >>> >>> Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor controlled with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: >>> 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. >>> Serial Data xfer cable. >>> MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage 150/300, with programmable settings and features. Digital and analog dual needles display forward and reflected power. >>> >>> MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display indicates polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. >>> >>> MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: >>> -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. >>> MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. >>> >>> MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. >>> >>> Three coax lightning protectors. >>> >>> Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. >>> >>> RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. >>> >>> Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. >>> >>> RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for SSB, Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. >>> >>> SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. >>> >>> Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for serious signal monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in package offering. Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). >>> >>> >>> Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc by a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital meters for voltage and amps. >>> >>> Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty rotator; Includes IR remote control. >>> >>> Heil Proset Headset with microphone. >>> >>> Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. >>> >>> Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not need radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w >>> >>> Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting >>> >>> Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. >>> >>> Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR receiver mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because of using XP) >>> >>> Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original probes. X, Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement results. In excellent operational condition. Brightness has full range. Auto Triggering. >>> >>> Three laminated wall charts in color: >>> ARRL Radio Map of North America >>> ARRL Radio Map of the World >>> ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones >>> Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TowerTalk mailing list >>> TowerTalk at contesting.com >>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Fri Dec 12 14:08:40 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:08:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <201412121308.40270.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> His address checks out on the FCC database. He also offers to allow prospective buyers to not only see but also operate the equipment - with proof of license: "Interested parties must show their license and enter call sign, operation times/modes/freq?s in my logbook." I'd say he's legit - take the normal precautions, but as I see it he is to be commended for dealing with things now instead of his XYL having to try to figure out what to do later on. About ten or so years ago a ham friend of mine suddenly became a SK from a heart attack while shoveling snow. When I heard that he had passed away I called his XYL to express my condolences. In the process I asked her what she was going to do with his ham gear. She said "I figured I'd just take it to a hamfest and say 'give me $50 for it.'" To make a long story short, I offered to help her with the dispersal, which netted her somewhere in the neighborhood of $4K. AK4EH's XYL will be much better off with him being a realist and handling things this way instead of leaving her to deal with it. I tip my hat to him. 73, Al On Fri December 12 2014 12:35:42 pm Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > From the very first sentence of the forwarded message: "I sincerely > hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time." > > I meant no disrespect to K9YC. He probably jumped to the list of items > for sale and didn't really read the first paragraph. From the subject, > it applies to this list, and he's trying to be helpful (as he always does). > > Before I retired, I ran an ISP. I've had the same E-Mail address for > decades, and I still get hundreds of "Nigerian 419 scams" a month. They > all start with an apology, and it's clear whoever wrote this is not a > native speaker of English. > > That's fine, but the message is allegedly from a U.S. Ham. > > I'd be very wary. I'd contact Tom, AK4EH through his callbook > information, and I'd talk to him. If he's not a native speaker of > English I'd proceed with the transaction. > > If not, then someone is using Tom's callsign to "sell" equipment he > doesn't have. That's not entirely unknown either. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 12/12/2014 10:12 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Where do you even get a hint that this is a Scam! I mean, guys offer up > > things for sale all the time and the sales are successfully completed all > > the time. I see nothing in this posting that suggests anything other > > than what the author claims: failing health forcing the sale of ham radio > > equipment. I know of several hams who have been in the same predicament. > > > > I know that this post is indirect (originally posted elsewhere but the > > poster to this forum, K9YC, is definitely not a guy who is out to > > participate in a scam. I have never met him personally but he is just > > not that kind of a guy from my experience here plus reading all the free > > technical stuff he writes and contributes. > > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > >> On Dec 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > >> wrote: > >> > >> Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple of sentences all I can > >> hear in my head is "SCAM! Run!!!" > >> > >> On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >>> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on his > >>> web page. > >>> > >>> 73, Jim K9YC > >>> > >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> De Tom, AK4EH, > >>> > >>> I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time. > >>> After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided to offer my > >>> radio station for sale because of the below circumstances. Since I > >>> trust that you may be able to contact other hams who could be > >>> interested in my listing, I turn to you for assistance. The below > >>> complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for equipment that > >>> has been in a climate controlled office, dust levels maintained to a > >>> minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I prefer to sell the complete > >>> system at one time, rather than piecemeal. My QTH is 192 Patton Street, > >>> Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone number is (850) 902-0302. Anyone who > >>> holds a valid Amateur Radio Operator License may schedule an > >>> appointment for operation of all the listed equipment according to > >>> their class of license. Interested parties must show their license and > >>> enter call sign, operation times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. Declining > >>> health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, has forced me to > >>> liquidate items that would be difficult for my wife to dispose of later > >>> on. I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered for > >>> sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my radio shack > >>> to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working order. Thank you > >>> for considering my listing. > >>> > >>> Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter with > >>> optional internal module); Equipped with: Most recent firmware updates. > >>> PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. > >>> 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. > >>> Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. > >>> 100w RF integrated amplifier module. > >>> Oven controlled master oscillator. > >>> IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. > >>> RF I/O unit for RX antenna. > >>> Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. > >>> All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. > >>> PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation > >>> > >>> Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: > >>> Most recent firmware updates. > >>> VGA monitor output. > >>> All cabling. > >>> > >>> Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, equipped > >>> with: Most recent firmware updates. > >>> Serial Data xfer cable. > >>> > >>> Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor controlled > >>> with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: 200 watt directional > >>> coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. > >>> Serial Data xfer cable. > >>> MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage 150/300, > >>> with programmable settings and features. Digital and analog dual > >>> needles display forward and reflected power. > >>> > >>> MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display indicates > >>> polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. > >>> > >>> MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: > >>> -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. > >>> MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. > >>> > >>> MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. > >>> > >>> Three coax lightning protectors. > >>> > >>> Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. > >>> > >>> RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. > >>> > >>> Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. > >>> > >>> RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for SSB, > >>> Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. > >>> > >>> SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. > >>> > >>> Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz > >>> continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for serious signal > >>> monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User > >>> guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in package offering. > >>> Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). > >>> > >>> > >>> Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp > >>> continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc by > >>> a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital meters for > >>> voltage and amps. > >>> > >>> Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty rotator; > >>> Includes IR remote control. > >>> > >>> Heil Proset Headset with microphone. > >>> > >>> Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. > >>> > >>> Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not need > >>> radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w > >>> > >>> Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. Includes > >>> RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting > >>> > >>> Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. > >>> > >>> Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR receiver > >>> mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers > >>> included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because of using XP) > >>> > >>> Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original probes. X, > >>> Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement results. In > >>> excellent operational condition. Brightness has full range. Auto > >>> Triggering. > >>> > >>> Three laminated wall charts in color: > >>> ARRL Radio Map of North America > >>> ARRL Radio Map of the World > >>> ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones > >>> Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TowerTalk mailing list > >>> TowerTalk at contesting.com > >>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 14:21:58 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:21:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale Message-ID: I agree that the text style is suspicious. Anyone interested can Google the address and view the street side photos. It does not verify the seller but there does appear to be some ham radio antennas on the property. Plus the call sign lookup corresponds with the address. The phone number is a cell number and I couldn't xref it with the address , call sign or name given the minimal effort applied. Nick N1KMP From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 12 14:31:00 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:31:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> Seems a bit "off" to me, too. He calls the K3 a K-3 and the P3 a P-3 -- but at his listing in qrz.com they are K3 and P3. It's like the ad was not written by the purported seller, AK4EH. And then there is the first sentence. Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on. Phil W7OX On 12/12/14 10:35 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > From the very first sentence of the forwarded > message: "I sincerely hope my request is not > overbearing for you at this time." > > I meant no disrespect to K9YC. He probably > jumped to the list of items for sale and didn't > really read the first paragraph. From the > subject, it applies to this list, and he's > trying to be helpful (as he always does). > > Before I retired, I ran an ISP. I've had the > same E-Mail address for decades, and I still get > hundreds of "Nigerian 419 scams" a month. They > all start with an apology, and it's clear > whoever wrote this is not a native speaker of > English. > > That's fine, but the message is allegedly from a > U.S. Ham. > > I'd be very wary. I'd contact Tom, AK4EH > through his callbook information, and I'd talk > to him. If he's not a native speaker of English > I'd proceed with the transaction. > > If not, then someone is using Tom's callsign to > "sell" equipment he doesn't have. That's not > entirely unknown either. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 12/12/2014 10:12 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Where do you even get a hint that this is a >> Scam! I mean, guys offer up things for sale >> all the time and the sales are successfully >> completed all the time. I see nothing in this >> posting that suggests anything other than what >> the author claims: failing health forcing the >> sale of ham radio equipment. I know of several >> hams who have been in the same predicament. >> >> I know that this post is indirect (originally >> posted elsewhere but the poster to this forum, >> K9YC, is definitely not a guy who is out to >> participate in a scam. I have never met him >> personally but he is just not that kind of a >> guy from my experience here plus reading all >> the free technical stuff he writes and >> contributes. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, >>> WB6UUT wrote: >>> >>> Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple >>> of sentences all I can hear in my head is >>> "SCAM! Run!!!" >>> >>> On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a >>>> nice shack photo on his web page. >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>> >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> De Tom, AK4EH, >>>> >>>> I sincerely hope my request is not >>>> overbearing for you at this time. After a >>>> great deal of thought and planning, I have >>>> decided to offer my radio station for sale >>>> because of the below circumstances. Since I >>>> trust that you may be able to contact other >>>> hams who could be interested in my listing, I >>>> turn to you for assistance. >>>> The below complete Amateur Radio Station >>>> equipment listing is for equipment that has >>>> been in a climate controlled office, dust >>>> levels maintained to a minimum, and a >>>> non-smoking environment. I prefer to sell the >>>> complete system at one time, rather than >>>> piecemeal. >>>> My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, >>>> Florida 32539; Phone number is (850) >>>> 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur >>>> Radio Operator License may schedule an >>>> appointment for operation of all the listed >>>> equipment according to their class of >>>> license. Interested parties must show their >>>> license and enter call sign, operation >>>> times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. >>>> Declining health, owing to debilitating >>>> illness and disability, has forced me to >>>> liquidate items that would be difficult for >>>> my wife to dispose of later on. >>>> I am asking $4000 for the sum total of >>>> equipment being offered for sale to licensed >>>> amateur operators only. Please examine my >>>> radio shack to appreciate the setup that is >>>> in excellent working order. >>>> Thank you for considering my listing. >>>> >>>> Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, >>>> (adaptable to two meter with optional >>>> internal module); Equipped with: >>>> Most recent firmware updates. >>>> PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. >>>> 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. >>>> Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two >>>> antenna jacks. >>>> 100w RF integrated amplifier module. >>>> Oven controlled master oscillator. >>>> IF Out and transverter interfacing internal >>>> unit. >>>> RF I/O unit for RX antenna. >>>> Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. >>>> All cables included for serial data transfer, >>>> RF and power. >>>> PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, >>>> Configuration, and Operation >>>> >>>> Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum >>>> Analyzer, equipped with: >>>> Most recent firmware updates. >>>> VGA monitor output. >>>> All cabling. >>>> >>>> Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, >>>> 1.5 to 1400 MHz, equipped with: >>>> Most recent firmware updates. >>>> Serial Data xfer cable. >>>> >>>> Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, >>>> Microprocessor controlled with dual RF >>>> sensors and PC interface. Includes: >>>> 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. >>>> Serial Data xfer cable. >>>> MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna >>>> Tuner), dual wattage 150/300, with >>>> programmable settings and features. Digital >>>> and analog dual needles display forward and >>>> reflected power. >>>> >>>> MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, >>>> digital display indicates polar notation as >>>> well as swr. Two dip coils included. >>>> >>>> MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital >>>> display; includes: >>>> -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data >>>> xfer cable. >>>> MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. >>>> >>>> MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. >>>> >>>> Three coax lightning protectors. >>>> >>>> Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. >>>> >>>> RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W >>>> continuous, 0 to 18GHz. >>>> >>>> Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with >>>> lightning protection plug. >>>> >>>> RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / >>>> UHF; indicates PEP for SSB, Average; 1.8 to >>>> 525MHz @ 200 watts. >>>> >>>> SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. >>>> >>>> Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio >>>> Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz continuous tuning; >>>> downloadable plug-ins available for serious >>>> signal monitoring. Works excellently using >>>> Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User guide, driver >>>> CD, and web links. (PC included in package >>>> offering. Stand-alone PC should not be >>>> connected to net). >>>> >>>> >>>> Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated >>>> power supply, 40 Amp continuous; Switchable >>>> from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc >>>> by a switch underneath power supply. Has two >>>> separate digital meters for voltage and amps. >>>> >>>> Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator >>>> controller with light-duty rotator; Includes >>>> IR remote control. >>>> >>>> Heil Proset Headset with microphone. >>>> >>>> Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. >>>> >>>> Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 >>>> meters. Does not need radials. Includes RF >>>> cable. Rated at 1500w >>>> >>>> Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal >>>> polarization configured. Includes RF cable. >>>> Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting >>>> >>>> Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. >>>> >>>> Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP >>>> for use with SDR receiver mentioned above. >>>> 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers >>>> included.(PC not to be connected to the >>>> internet because of using XP) >>>> >>>> Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope >>>> with original probes. X, Y, and Z-axis >>>> inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement >>>> results. In excellent operational condition. >>>> Brightness has full range. Auto Triggering. >>>> >>>> Three laminated wall charts in color: >>>> ARRL Radio Map of North America >>>> ARRL Radio Map of the World >>>> ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam >>>> headings, ITU and CQ zones >>>> Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TowerTalk mailing list >>>> TowerTalk at contesting.com >>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 14:32:41 2014 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:32:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Could be, but not too many scammers would invite you to come operate the equipment in his home. Eric KE6US On 12/12/2014 9:23 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple of sentences all I can > hear in my head is "SCAM! Run!!!" > > On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on his >> web page. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> De Tom, AK4EH, >> >> I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time. >> After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided to offer >> my radio station for sale because of the below circumstances. Since I >> trust that you may be able to contact other hams who could be >> interested in my listing, I turn to you for assistance. >> The below complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for >> equipment that has been in a climate controlled office, dust levels >> maintained to a minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I prefer to >> sell the complete system at one time, rather than piecemeal. >> My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone number >> is (850) 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur Radio Operator >> License may schedule an appointment for operation of all the listed >> equipment according to their class of license. Interested parties >> must show their license and enter call sign, operation >> times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. >> Declining health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, has >> forced me to liquidate items that would be difficult for my wife to >> dispose of later on. >> I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered for >> sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my radio >> shack to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working order. >> Thank you for considering my listing. >> >> Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter with >> optional internal module); Equipped with: >> Most recent firmware updates. >> PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. >> 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. >> Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. >> 100w RF integrated amplifier module. >> Oven controlled master oscillator. >> IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. >> RF I/O unit for RX antenna. >> Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. >> All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. >> PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation >> >> Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: >> Most recent firmware updates. >> VGA monitor output. >> All cabling. >> >> Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, >> equipped with: >> Most recent firmware updates. >> Serial Data xfer cable. >> >> Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor controlled >> with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: >> 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. >> Serial Data xfer cable. >> MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage >> 150/300, with programmable settings and features. Digital and analog >> dual needles display forward and reflected power. >> >> MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display >> indicates polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. >> >> MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: >> -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. >> MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. >> >> MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. >> >> Three coax lightning protectors. >> >> Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. >> >> RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. >> >> Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. >> >> RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for >> SSB, Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. >> >> SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. >> >> Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to 3.5GHz >> continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for serious signal >> monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. Includes: User >> guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in package offering. >> Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). >> >> >> Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp >> continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 vdc >> by a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital meters >> for voltage and amps. >> >> Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty >> rotator; Includes IR remote control. >> >> Heil Proset Headset with microphone. >> >> Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. >> >> Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not need >> radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w >> >> Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. >> Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting >> >> Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. >> >> Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR >> receiver mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers >> included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because of using XP) >> >> Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original probes. X, >> Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi-measurement results. >> In excellent operational condition. Brightness has full range. Auto >> Triggering. >> >> Three laminated wall charts in color: >> ARRL Radio Map of North America >> ARRL Radio Map of the World >> ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones >> Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TowerTalk mailing list >> TowerTalk at contesting.com >> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From jef at jefallbright.net Fri Dec 12 14:35:58 2014 From: jef at jefallbright.net (Jef Allbright) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:35:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It just begins in a older formal style that happens to have been adopted to the infamous Nigerian scammers. That doesn't mean that it was created by the same process. On the Internet, as in our day-to-day lives, people often focus on details while missing the larger context. Similarly, they often take issue with someone's words rather than seeing the words as only partial evidence of the nature of the generating process. The stronger indicators of an actual scam would an offer to good to be true, a stupidity filter that passes only marks stupid enough to fall for a scam, artificial urgency, requirement of an initial commitment, or appeals to greed or other base emotions that make it unlikely for the mark to pursue a claim afterward. This looks to me like an older gentleman, trying to do something with gravity and honor that is unusual--and thus suspect--in our present society. - Jef N5JEF On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: > I agree that the text style is suspicious. Anyone interested can Google > the address and view the street side photos. It does not verify the > seller but there does appear to be some ham radio antennas on the > property. Plus the call sign lookup corresponds with the address. The > phone number is a cell number and I couldn't xref it with the address , > call sign or name given the minimal effort applied. From ho13dave at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 14:49:26 2014 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:49:26 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548B46C6.40105@gmail.com> I'd say SCAM. Sounds like the 'seller' has somehow gained access to this property and so is willing to offer the 'come and test' option. Makes the scam all the more convincing. If anyone on the list knows the real AK4EH they should get in touch with him and verify. He may be in the hospital or have been moved into a nursing home and someone else is helping themselves to his gear (and probably everything else in his house). It may be legit, but it certainly sounds fishy. That is an *awfully* good price for that much gear. He could certainly net more by selling the individual pieces. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 12/12/14 1:35 PM, Jef Allbright wrote: > It just begins in a older formal style that happens to have been > adopted to the infamous Nigerian scammers. That doesn't mean that it > was created by the same process. > > On the Internet, as in our day-to-day lives, people often focus on > details while missing the larger context. Similarly, they often take > issue with someone's words rather than seeing the words as only > partial evidence of the nature of the generating process. > > The stronger indicators of an actual scam would an offer to good to be > true, a stupidity filter that passes only marks stupid enough to fall > for a scam, artificial urgency, requirement of an initial commitment, > or appeals to greed or other base emotions that make it unlikely for > the mark to pursue a claim afterward. > > This looks to me like an older gentleman, trying to do something with > gravity and honor that is unusual--and thus suspect--in our present > society. > > > - Jef N5JEF > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: >> I agree that the text style is suspicious. Anyone interested can Google >> the address and view the street side photos. It does not verify the >> seller but there does appear to be some ham radio antennas on the >> property. Plus the call sign lookup corresponds with the address. The >> phone number is a cell number and I couldn't xref it with the address , >> call sign or name given the minimal effort applied. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 12 14:52:02 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:52:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on. You guys sure are suspicious, and with no good reason. Look at his qrz.com listing, and read the first paragraphs of his email. I read it as a guy who is quite stressed about his health, perhaps he's got a nasty diagnosis, maybe even Alzheimer's. May have to go into assisted living, or give up his home. Who knows. But he's inviting prospective buyers to visit his shack to check out the gear. How in the world can we interpret any of this as a potential scam? BTW -- the original post to Tower Talk was by W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." 73, Jim K9YC From phystad at mac.com Fri Dec 12 15:03:17 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:03:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in my opinion. Someone posted evidence as writing K-3 and P-3 instead of K3 and P3 as evidence of a scammer. Are you kidding me? That is your evidence!? Scammers are definitely smarter than that. If they are going to go to the trouble of creating a very detailed equipment list as was shown, they would get the details correct, its not rocket science. I have written P-3 myself before and the only reason is that sometimes my spell checkers will complain if I do not have a hyphen (other times, other software that is, they do not complain). 73, phil, K7PEH > On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Fri,12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on. > > You guys sure are suspicious, and with no good reason. Look at his qrz.com listing, and read the first paragraphs of his email. I read it as a guy who is quite stressed about his health, perhaps he's got a nasty diagnosis, maybe even Alzheimer's. May have to go into assisted living, or give up his home. Who knows. But he's inviting prospective buyers to visit his shack to check out the gear. How in the world can we interpret any of this as a potential scam? > > BTW -- the original post to Tower Talk was by W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 12 15:18:48 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:18:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> Message-ID: <548B4DA8.4010405@socal.rr.com> Pardon me, Phil, but please read better before you erupt. I said "Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on." Please note the "Not". Unusual yes; if you read his bio in at qrx.com the text style is totally different than in the ad, which I seriously doubt was written by AK4EH; but not likely a scam with the use of a real, verifiable address, etc. Phil W7OX On 12/12/14 12:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in my opinion. > > Someone posted evidence as writing K-3 and P-3 instead of K3 and P3 as evidence of a scammer. Are you kidding me? That is your evidence!? > > Scammers are definitely smarter than that. If they are going to go to the trouble of creating a very detailed equipment list as was shown, they would get the details correct, its not rocket science. I have written P-3 myself before and the only reason is that sometimes my spell checkers will complain if I do not have a hyphen (other times, other software that is, they do not complain). > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On Fri,12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on. >> You guys sure are suspicious, and with no good reason. Look at his qrz.com listing, and read the first paragraphs of his email. I read it as a guy who is quite stressed about his health, perhaps he's got a nasty diagnosis, maybe even Alzheimer's. May have to go into assisted living, or give up his home. Who knows. But he's inviting prospective buyers to visit his shack to check out the gear. How in the world can we interpret any of this as a potential scam? >> >> BTW -- the original post to Tower Talk was by W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." >> >> 73, Jim K9YC From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Dec 12 15:34:37 2014 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:34:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <548B515D.2060508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Why wouldn't they? If someone tries to take them up on the offer, they can give some excuse (like "already sold"). If someone sees that as a sign that it's legitimate, and sends payment, then it's a win for the scammer. Remember that it costs very little for a scammer to do something like this, and since they have almost nothing invested, only a few have to pay off. This one is worrisome. I've seen that first sentence too many times, followed by a tale about my recently departed relative and his estate. 73 -- Lynn On 12/12/2014 11:32 AM, EricJ wrote: > Could be, but not too many scammers would invite you to come operate > the equipment in his home. > > Eric > KE6US > From phystad at mac.com Fri Dec 12 15:42:44 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:42:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B4DA8.4010405@socal.rr.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> <548B4DA8.4010405@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Phil, OK. I still say that to reference the K-3 versus K3 is flimsy at best and definitely not suspicious or that unusual. The message very well may be written by someone else. If the person is poor health (and, may have to move to assisted living) having someone else write for him who is not a ham radio operator or familiar with names, could easily make such an innocent mistake. Also, although I took my reference of your comment about K-3 versus K3, I was not really writing my comments directly to you but speaking more of the fact that several others were calling this guy out as a scammer with close to zero justification. And, in my opinion, I would say zero justification. yet another phil > On Dec 12, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Pardon me, Phil, but please read better before you erupt. > > I said "Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on." Please note the "Not". > > Unusual yes; if you read his bio in at qrx.com the text style is totally different than in the ad, which I seriously doubt was written by AK4EH; but not likely a scam with the use of a real, verifiable address, etc. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/12/14 12:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in my opinion. >> >> Someone posted evidence as writing K-3 and P-3 instead of K3 and P3 as evidence of a scammer. Are you kidding me? That is your evidence!? >> >> Scammers are definitely smarter than that. If they are going to go to the trouble of creating a very detailed equipment list as was shown, they would get the details correct, its not rocket science. I have written P-3 myself before and the only reason is that sometimes my spell checkers will complain if I do not have a hyphen (other times, other software that is, they do not complain). >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> >>> On Fri,12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>> Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on. >>> You guys sure are suspicious, and with no good reason. Look at his qrz.com listing, and read the first paragraphs of his email. I read it as a guy who is quite stressed about his health, perhaps he's got a nasty diagnosis, maybe even Alzheimer's. May have to go into assisted living, or give up his home. Who knows. But he's inviting prospective buyers to visit his shack to check out the gear. How in the world can we interpret any of this as a potential scam? >>> >>> BTW -- the original post to Tower Talk was by W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From joe at k2uf.com Fri Dec 12 15:55:25 2014 From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is fascinating how seemingly benign reflector subjects can contain unstable hidden fissionable material ;o) 73 Joe K2UF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:43 PM To: Phil Wheeler Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale Phil, OK. I still say that to reference the K-3 versus K3 is flimsy at best and definitely not suspicious or that unusual. The message very well may be written by someone else. If the person is poor health (and, may have to move to assisted living) having someone else write for him who is not a ham radio operator or familiar with names, could easily make such an innocent mistake. Also, although I took my reference of your comment about K-3 versus K3, I was not really writing my comments directly to you but speaking more of the fact that several others were calling this guy out as a scammer with close to zero justification. And, in my opinion, I would say zero justification. yet another phil > On Dec 12, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Pardon me, Phil, but please read better before you erupt. > > I said "Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on." Please note the "Not". > > Unusual yes; if you read his bio in at qrx.com the text style is totally different than in the ad, which I seriously doubt was written by AK4EH; but not likely a scam with the use of a real, verifiable address, etc. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/12/14 12:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in my opinion. >> >> Someone posted evidence as writing K-3 and P-3 instead of K3 and P3 as evidence of a scammer. Are you kidding me? That is your evidence!? >> >> Scammers are definitely smarter than that. If they are going to go to the trouble of creating a very detailed equipment list as was shown, they would get the details correct, its not rocket science. I have written P-3 myself before and the only reason is that sometimes my spell checkers will complain if I do not have a hyphen (other times, other software that is, they do not complain). >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> >>> On Fri,12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>> Not to say it's a scam; but there is something unusual going on. >>> You guys sure are suspicious, and with no good reason. Look at his qrz.com listing, and read the first paragraphs of his email. I read it as a guy who is quite stressed about his health, perhaps he's got a nasty diagnosis, maybe even Alzheimer's. May have to go into assisted living, or give up his home. Who knows. But he's inviting prospective buyers to visit his shack to check out the gear. How in the world can we interpret any of this as a potential scam? >>> >>> BTW -- the original post to Tower Talk was by W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at k2uf.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8721 - Release Date: 12/12/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8713 - Release Date: 12/10/14 From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri Dec 12 15:59:59 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:59:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <64245D0E-928D-4346-867C-411AFA9FEC40@verizon.net> Hi Again, Lynn: OK.. now that you pointed out the phraseology of the message... it is rather stilted, compared to how most of us would express the same thing. In any event, I'm sure most of us would be careful. I'd ask things like, "where did you buy the MFJ Antenna analyzer.. or some other pice of gear. Most of us remember exactly where we bought something... dealership or hamfest. Also, most Elecraft hams know that the rig is a K3 not a K-3. Elecraft does not use hyphens. :) But, I've also seen legitimate owners use hyphens in their text. But, it raises an eyebrow, anyway. For my part, I have purchased a few rigs and gadgets via list postings, and most of the time, I've recognized the name or call from past postings. And, each transaction went fine. And maybe I'm just lucky. AK4EH's QTH checks out in QRZ.com... and possibly the phone number is OK (didn't check that). In any event, it was good that you raised at least a "caution" flag. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Dec 12, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > From the very first sentence of the forwarded message: "I sincerely > hope my request is not overbearing for you at this time." > > I meant no disrespect to K9YC. He probably jumped to the list of > items for sale and didn't really read the first paragraph. From the > subject, it applies to this list, and he's trying to be helpful (as > he always does). > > Before I retired, I ran an ISP. I've had the same E-Mail address > for decades, and I still get hundreds of "Nigerian 419 scams" a > month. They all start with an apology, and it's clear whoever wrote > this is not a native speaker of English. > > That's fine, but the message is allegedly from a U.S. Ham. > > I'd be very wary. I'd contact Tom, AK4EH through his callbook > information, and I'd talk to him. If he's not a native speaker of > English I'd proceed with the transaction. > > If not, then someone is using Tom's callsign to "sell" equipment he > doesn't have. That's not entirely unknown either. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 12/12/2014 10:12 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Where do you even get a hint that this is a Scam! I mean, guys >> offer up things for sale all the time and the sales are >> successfully completed all the time. I see nothing in this posting >> that suggests anything other than what the author claims: failing >> health forcing the sale of ham radio equipment. I know of several >> hams who have been in the same predicament. >> >> I know that this post is indirect (originally posted elsewhere but >> the poster to this forum, K9YC, is definitely not a guy who is out >> to participate in a scam. I have never met him personally but he >> is just not that kind of a guy from my experience here plus reading >> all the free technical stuff he writes and contributes. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT >> > wrote: >>> >>> Maybe it's just me, but after the first couple of sentences all I >>> can hear in my head is "SCAM! Run!!!" >>> >>> On 12/12/2014 8:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>> This was on the Tower Talk reflector. Note a nice shack photo on >>>> his web page. >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>> >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> De Tom, AK4EH, >>>> >>>> I sincerely hope my request is not overbearing for you at this >>>> time. After a great deal of thought and planning, I have decided >>>> to offer my radio station for sale because of the below >>>> circumstances. Since I trust that you may be able to contact >>>> other hams who could be interested in my listing, I turn to you >>>> for assistance. >>>> The below complete Amateur Radio Station equipment listing is for >>>> equipment that has been in a climate controlled office, dust >>>> levels maintained to a minimum, and a non-smoking environment. I >>>> prefer to sell the complete system at one time, rather than >>>> piecemeal. >>>> My QTH is 192 Patton Street, Crestview, Florida 32539; Phone >>>> number is (850) 902-0302. Anyone who holds a valid Amateur Radio >>>> Operator License may schedule an appointment for operation of all >>>> the listed equipment according to their class of license. >>>> Interested parties must show their license and enter call sign, >>>> operation times/modes/freq?s in my logbook. >>>> Declining health, owing to debilitating illness and disability, >>>> has forced me to liquidate items that would be difficult for my >>>> wife to dispose of later on. >>>> I am asking $4000 for the sum total of equipment being offered >>>> for sale to licensed amateur operators only. Please examine my >>>> radio shack to appreciate the setup that is in excellent working >>>> order. >>>> Thank you for considering my listing. >>>> >>>> Elecraft K-3-100 Transceiver, 160-2M, (adaptable to two meter >>>> with optional internal module); Equipped with: >>>> Most recent firmware updates. >>>> PR-6 low-noise preamp for 6M reception. >>>> 1 amp 12vdc output for external devices. >>>> Integrated 100w auto antenna tuner with two antenna jacks. >>>> 100w RF integrated amplifier module. >>>> Oven controlled master oscillator. >>>> IF Out and transverter interfacing internal unit. >>>> RF I/O unit for RX antenna. >>>> Various roofing filters for CW, SSB, FM, Data. >>>> All cables included for serial data transfer, RF and power. >>>> PDF of Fred Cady ? KE7X ?Design, Configuration, and Operation >>>> >>>> Elecraft P-3 Color Panadapter Spectrum Analyzer, equipped with: >>>> Most recent firmware updates. >>>> VGA monitor output. >>>> All cabling. >>>> >>>> Elecraft XG-3 Programmable RF signal source, 1.5 to 1400 MHz, >>>> equipped with: >>>> Most recent firmware updates. >>>> Serial Data xfer cable. >>>> >>>> Elecraft W-2 HF / VHF / UHF SWR/Watt meter, Microprocessor >>>> controlled with dual RF sensors and PC interface. Includes: >>>> 200 watt directional coupler, 1.8 to 54 MHz. >>>> Serial Data xfer cable. >>>> MFJ-993-B IntelliTuner (Automatic Antenna Tuner), dual wattage >>>> 150/300, with programmable settings and features. Digital and >>>> analog dual needles display forward and reflected power. >>>> >>>> MFJ-266 Antenna Analyzer for HF / VHF / UHF, digital display >>>> indicates polar notation as well as swr. Two dip coils included. >>>> >>>> MFJ-464 CW Keyer / Reader; has digital display; includes: >>>> -RF protected QWERTY keyboard and serial data xfer cable. >>>> MFJ-564 Iambic keyer with cable and phone plug. >>>> >>>> MFJ-418 Pocket CW Tutor. >>>> >>>> Three coax lightning protectors. >>>> >>>> Many manufactured RF coax patch cables. >>>> >>>> RF 5651 Precision Dummy Load @ 125W continuous, 0 to 18GHz. >>>> >>>> Alpha-Delta 5-Position RF switch with lightning protection plug. >>>> >>>> RS-502 Analog SWR/PWR meter for HF / VHF / UHF; indicates PEP for >>>> SSB, Average; 1.8 to 525MHz @ 200 watts. >>>> >>>> SignaLink USB Integrated sound card. >>>> >>>> Win Radio WR-3500e Software Defined Radio Receiver, 1.3MHz to >>>> 3.5GHz continuous tuning; downloadable plug-ins available for >>>> serious signal monitoring. Works excellently using Win XP 32 bit. >>>> Includes: User guide, driver CD, and web links. (PC included in >>>> package offering. Stand-alone PC should not be connected to net). >>>> >>>> >>>> Tenma 72-7665 Switching Mode DC Regulated power supply, 40 Amp >>>> continuous; Switchable from fixed 13.8 vdc to variable 0 to 15.2 >>>> vdc by a switch underneath power supply. Has two separate digital >>>> meters for voltage and amps. >>>> >>>> Eagle Aspen digital readout rotator controller with light-duty >>>> rotator; Includes IR remote control. >>>> >>>> Heil Proset Headset with microphone. >>>> >>>> Elecraft MH-2 handheld microphone. >>>> >>>> Titan DX Vertical Multiband antenna ? 80 to 6 meters. Does not >>>> need radials. Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w >>>> >>>> Tak-Tenna 80 to 6 meters, horizontal polarization configured. >>>> Includes RF cable. Rated at 1500w. 14 db quieting >>>> >>>> Discone Antenna with cable; 6 meters to 23 cm. >>>> >>>> Dedicated Dell Dimension 3000 PC with Win XP for use with SDR >>>> receiver mentioned above. 15? monitor, keyboard, mouse, and >>>> speakers included.(PC not to be connected to the internet because >>>> of using XP) >>>> >>>> Sencore SC61 Dual Trace, 100MHz Oscilloscope with original >>>> probes. X, Y, and Z-axis inputs. Digital display for multi- >>>> measurement results. In excellent operational condition. >>>> Brightness has full range. Auto Triggering. >>>> >>>> Three laminated wall charts in color: >>>> ARRL Radio Map of North America >>>> ARRL Radio Map of the World >>>> ARRL Radio Map of the World with beam headings, ITU and CQ zones >>>> Assorted ARRL and resource books, like new. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TowerTalk mailing list >>>> TowerTalk at contesting.com >>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Dec 12 16:02:47 2014 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:02:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> Message-ID: <548B57F7.1010001@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I agree completely. The question isn't one of impinging the reputation of AK4EH, but pointing out that it seems likely that AK4EH (or anyone associated with him) isn't the one behind the posting. The same is true of everyone who cross-posted the message. I could probably pick any name and address on this list, post as them, and if you don't know how to read headers, it'd be hard to tell the message was fake. It doesn't happen often because most people are honest. It's something I sincerely hope is always true. I hope I'm wrong about this post, and I hope the best for Tom and his family. If it's a scam, his family may have to deal with some angry buyers who thought they paid them for gear that they never received. 73 -- Lynn On 12/12/2014 12:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in my opinion. From phystad at mac.com Fri Dec 12 16:42:27 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:42:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B57F7.1010001@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> <548B57F7.1010001@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Well, I just verified the phone number as being a wireless line in the city of Crestview, Florida, which the city of AK4EH... And, his QRZ page is listing some of the same equipment for sale as listed in the message posted by Jim. He even spelled K3 without the hyphen. I am thinking that he had someone write up the message listing his equipment. So, do you still think this is a scammer. I think you are way off base on this guy. 73, phil > On Dec 12, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > I agree completely. > > The question isn't one of impinging the reputation of AK4EH, but pointing out that it seems likely that AK4EH (or anyone associated with him) isn't the one behind the posting. > > The same is true of everyone who cross-posted the message. > > I could probably pick any name and address on this list, post as them, and if you don't know how to read headers, it'd be hard to tell the message was fake. > > It doesn't happen often because most people are honest. It's something I sincerely hope is always true. > > I hope I'm wrong about this post, and I hope the best for Tom and his family. > > If it's a scam, his family may have to deal with some angry buyers who thought they paid them for gear that they never received. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 12/12/2014 12:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in my opinion. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From kk4oyj at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 16:44:37 2014 From: kk4oyj at gmail.com (John, 9H5G) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:44:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Re: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B515D.2060508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B515D.2060508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <14E9D163-DCEE-4183-AE54-81E8C9A28D73@gmail.com> Has this not reached the end of its usefulness, if indeed, it ever was? It's certainly wasting my (expensive) bandwidth here in C6. 73 de John, 9H5G > On Dec 12, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Why wouldn't they? > > If someone tries to take them up on the offer, they can give some excuse (like "already sold"). > > If someone sees that as a sign that it's legitimate, and sends payment, then it's a win for the scammer. > > Remember that it costs very little for a scammer to do something like this, and since they have almost nothing invested, only a few have to pay off. > > This one is worrisome. I've seen that first sentence too many times, followed by a tale about my recently departed relative and his estate. > > 73 -- Lynn > >> On 12/12/2014 11:32 AM, EricJ wrote: >> Could be, but not too many scammers would invite you to come operate the equipment in his home. >> >> Eric >> KE6US >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk4oyj at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 17:13:07 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:13:07 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <324F5093-4997-4A1A-AB99-F096F9E18773@mac.com> <548B357E.9040104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B4274.3080305@socal.rr.com> <548B4762.9090606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <98CC3C96-BEFA-4487-B9BC-254AC8400BFC@mac.com> <548B57F7.1010001@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Yeay....thanks Phil for confirming a genuine sale. Now maybe some well intentioned ham will purchase the station and bring some relief to a fellow ham facing perhaps a very difficult future. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 13/12/2014 7:42 AM, "Phil Hystad" wrote: > Well, > > I just verified the phone number as being a wireless line in the city of > Crestview, Florida, which the city of AK4EH... > > And, his QRZ page is listing some of the same equipment for sale as listed > in the message posted by Jim. He even spelled K3 without the hyphen. I am > thinking that he had someone write up the message listing his equipment. > > So, do you still think this is a scammer. I think you are way off base on > this guy. > > 73, phil > > > > > On Dec 12, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > wrote: > > > > I agree completely. > > > > The question isn't one of impinging the reputation of AK4EH, but > pointing out that it seems likely that AK4EH (or anyone associated with > him) isn't the one behind the posting. > > > > The same is true of everyone who cross-posted the message. > > > > I could probably pick any name and address on this list, post as them, > and if you don't know how to read headers, it'd be hard to tell the message > was fake. > > > > It doesn't happen often because most people are honest. It's something > I sincerely hope is always true. > > > > I hope I'm wrong about this post, and I hope the best for Tom and his > family. > > > > If it's a scam, his family may have to deal with some angry buyers who > thought they paid them for gear that they never received. > > > > 73 -- Lynn > > > > On 12/12/2014 12:03 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> Being suspicious is one thing but to impinge the reputation of someone > (especially someone you don't even know) without the slightest bit of > evidence is wrong. In fact, it is demeaning to this ham radio community in > my opinion. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 17:14:09 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:14:09 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Re: Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <14E9D163-DCEE-4183-AE54-81E8C9A28D73@gmail.com> References: <20141212112019.W194C.860969.imail@eastrmwml114> <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548B2481.8080301@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <548B515D.2060508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <14E9D163-DCEE-4183-AE54-81E8C9A28D73@gmail.com> Message-ID: One can only hope...:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 13/12/2014 7:45 AM, "John, 9H5G" wrote: > Has this not reached the end of its usefulness, if indeed, it ever was? > It's certainly wasting my (expensive) bandwidth here in C6. > > 73 de John, 9H5G > > > On Dec 12, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > wrote: > > > > Why wouldn't they? > > > > If someone tries to take them up on the offer, they can give some excuse > (like "already sold"). > > > > If someone sees that as a sign that it's legitimate, and sends payment, > then it's a win for the scammer. > > > > Remember that it costs very little for a scammer to do something like > this, and since they have almost nothing invested, only a few have to pay > off. > > > > This one is worrisome. I've seen that first sentence too many times, > followed by a tale about my recently departed relative and his estate. > > > > 73 -- Lynn > > > >> On 12/12/2014 11:32 AM, EricJ wrote: > >> Could be, but not too many scammers would invite you to come operate > the equipment in his home. > >> > >> Eric > >> KE6US > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kk4oyj at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 18:26:44 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:26:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale Message-ID: Regardless of all the arguments about the potential for a scam, the final message should be "proceed with eyes wide open". Nick N1KMP From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 18:50:39 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:50:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Ian White wrote: > > That list would be a reasonable 'industry-wide benchmark' for the > keying/timing modes that a premium CW transceiver like the K3 should > offer as built-in options. > /rant mode on/ [Medical warning: delete this message now without reading if rants cause you to break out in hives or have other side effects] I specifically do not agree that Ian's list should be a benchmark. The only fully debugged version of a lot of those is copyrighted code in a WinKey product. Ask K1EL how much development and debugging time is vested in that, how many solved once-perplexing problems are now water under the bridge in that mature code. Should we be presuming that some non-licensed code-from-scratch version, even from the gifted crew at Elecraft, could emerge without some significant learning curve that duplicates K1EL's experience in some measure? Part of the problem with the no-external-boxes-need-apply take on this, for many of the rather marvelous contest function integration boxes (like my MicroHam u2R), to make it work the WinKey chip needs to be IN THE BOX, fully integrated. This is so the state of all connected devices can be situationally managed from the BOX's firmware, a really ridiculous task to export to a transceiver. Ask the MicroHam people how much work that firmware has been over the years. Since integrating all of the box functions into the K3 is never going to happen, I have to buy the integration box for the contests anyway. I have the more-than-quite-adequate WinKey functionality in my u2R box. It comes on with the K3, and my paddle is plugged into the u2R for all operations at the shack. So I really would prefer that Elecraft spend their time on stuff that MUST be done in the transceiver, rather than turn half the firmware into accessory routines, which by nature would be an endless source of complaints. (Cue sound of soulful violins) "Why doesn't my transceiver only blow smoke out of my right ear instead of my left when I'm operating SO2R and focus is on the left transceiver?" There are some number of ham entrepreneurs out there (like K4PN, etc) who might do a WinKey chip based add-on board to go inside a K3, **IF** he felt the market was a hundred times the size of the complainer's list here on the reflector, and he could actually charge enough to cover what it cost him, with a little reasonable profit tacked on. Maybe MicroHam could take that on. From here they have the best vantage point to pull it off. My K3 won't wipe my b*tt either, but I'm quite content to leave that means hanging on the WC wall, and effect all that separately, and yes, (gasp) operate it manually manually. Again, it is all too easy to presume or spend someone else's time and money. Bad habit. Wayne and company have been fantastic at sorting out all the stuff, picking out the essentials to spend time on. More more than ANY rig I have seen since 1958, the K3 represents a sure classic, fully-fleshed-out rig that serves just about any operating paradigm. AND, HE IS STILL DOING FIRMWARE-ONLY STUFF FOR FREE (!!!). Match that anywhere else in hamdom. Two WRTC's in a row, and WHAT rig was used most by the teams? By far, no other rig in second place? In this case people are voting with their bank balance. Those numbers are statistically very serious. By a very wide margin, those paying voters have declared the K3 AS the industry-wide benchmark, Ian's contrary declaration notwithstanding. **IF** Wayne, for his own reasons, decides to add Ultimatic to the list of keyer methods, I will certainly enjoy it in a very few specific situations across the year. But whatever else, for me the most annoying CW exercise will be trying to operate the maddening dual-lever paddle on Iambic A on a run I picked up sliding in as relief to a live operating position, and can't stop to switch around cords and menu settings without losing the cool run frequency. And there is nothing Wayne can add to a K3 to help me out. For me none of the various frustrations voiced here rise anywhere near that level. The one great satisfaction I have where I multi-op is that all the rigs at all the positions are K3's, and I always have the benefit of K3 continuing development at every position, and so am always operating the number one rig in the world. I have quit pushing on Elecraft for things that aren't firmware bugs or aren't firmware design choices where 7 or 8 years of field operation have uncovered unintended consequences. Wayne is far, far better at sorting out the stuff than I. And he knows what to do to stay in business. What would all you complainers do if Elecraft went out of business? /rant mode off/ 73, Guy K2AV From sell99 at q.com Fri Dec 12 19:17:49 2014 From: sell99 at q.com (CenturyLink Customer) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:17:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <149735378.672916.1418429728239.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? Myron W7LXN From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Dec 12 19:26:00 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548B8798.1030007@nycap.rr.com> Well said, thank you! Bill W2BLC K-Line From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 12 19:26:39 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <548B1A03.3020900@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1451037300.70064.1418430399436.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106132.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I realize that this topic has been beaten to death, but I wouldlike to point out one factoid. Down here in Florida - I'm down inthe southeastern part, and AK4EH is way up in the Panhandle -there have been a number of instances in which homeownerswere unpleasantly surprised to discover that their properties werebeing offered for rent (or, even, sale!) by unknown/unauthorized third parties. There's been a huge upheaval in the real estate market here, generallyspeaking, and a lot of people have been buying properties for cashbecause they don't want to endure the hassles of getting a mortgage.Problem is, they're not performing what lawyers (and business owners)call "due diligence", and end up at closing to discover that they'rehanding money over to someone who doesn't own the property. Oops.Same sort of thing is happening with rentals - folks put down a deposit,and start to move in, only to be faced by the local constabulary witha drawn firearm, at which point they realize that that great deal they goton the Internet was totally bogus. So, yes, there is always room for suspicion, sadly enough, and for thereasons that others have voiced in this thread, as well as other reasonsthat may not have come to light yet. Just my 20 millidollars' worth de N1HO From rthorne at rthorne.net Fri Dec 12 19:58:39 2014 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:58:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> I'd be a buyer. Rich - N5ZC On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: > > As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? > > > > Myron > > W7LXN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net > From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 20:12:13 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 01:12:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BTowerTalk=5D_Elecraft_package_for_?= =?utf-8?q?sale?= Message-ID: So how do we resolve this? Anyone live close enough to visit? Might a letter to AK4EH alert him to our concern? Other options? Nick N1KMP From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 20:20:26 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:20:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KPA1500 ? Message-ID: It's my understanding that Elecraft did indeed have such an amplifier on display at Dayton a few years ago. I don't recall the reason it wasn't brought to market. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 20:45:02 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:45:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KPA1500 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> A 1.5 KW, RTTY capable 160 - 6 Meter Amp, WITH an Antenna Tuner AND priced around $5K would sell like hotcakes. As long as you don't try to recoup all the R&D costs on the first hundred you could have another Heath SB-220 !! 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/12/2014 6:20 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > It's my understanding that Elecraft did indeed have such an amplifier on > display at Dayton a few years ago. I don't recall the reason it wasn't > brought to market. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From jwiley at gci.net Fri Dec 12 20:55:14 2014 From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:55:14 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KPA1500 ? In-Reply-To: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> References: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <548B9C82.5040208@gci.net> Ken - They had two, the KPA800 and the KPA1600. There was some problem with meeting FCC specs with the higher power version, as I remember, but the bottom line was in fact the bottom line - they were not convinced they could sell enough of them to recoup costs. Even then the projected price was nearly $6500.00 - and that was 10 or 15 years ago. Perhaps they will reconsider in light of the new devices coming available. January QST will have a 1200-watt (or so) 160 thru 2 meter (yes, that's right - 2 meters) design. Even that says the parts cost was about $4700.00. I was interested in the KPA1600, and sold the two ACOM 2000's that I had to raise cash for the KPA1600s, but they never came to be. The ACOMs were fine, I just hated the 3-minute warmup delay. In all other respects, they were first rate. - Jim, KL7CC > > On 12/12/2014 6:20 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> It's my understanding that Elecraft did indeed have such an amplifier on >> display at Dayton a few years ago. I don't recall the reason it wasn't >> brought to market. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Fri Dec 12 20:59:20 2014 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:59:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201412121959.20827.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Well, for one thing, if he bought his K-line new Elecraft should be able to verify that much. I would think that other hams who live in that area and know him could confirm or deny whether this is a legitimate posting. Per one of Jim K9YC's follow ups "the original post to Tower Talk was by W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." Anyone know W4GMH to confirm things with him? On another subject, it's sad that our society/world has deteriorated to the point that we have to go through this many gyrations over this item.... 73, Al On Fri December 12 2014 7:12:13 pm Nick Kemp wrote: > So how do we resolve this? Anyone live close enough to visit? Might a > letter to AK4EH alert him to our concern? Other options? > > > > > Nick > > N1KMP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From phystad at mac.com Fri Dec 12 21:06:49 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <78BD6BE5-33DD-40ED-B890-DB6001360089@mac.com> As others have mentioned, there were two amps built and put on display a number of years ago. One was legal limit and I think the other was about half that (I remember more than the current 500 Watt KPA500 though). I probably would never spend the money for a full legal limit solid-state amp but I might pay for a kit amp. By "kit" I mean more of a kit than typical of Elecraft's bolt-together kits. I mean a real soldering kit with some SMTs already placed. Especially useful would be the PA boards and heat sinks already put together. But, other parts could certainly be lower level kit pieces. Also, the voltage levels are not too dangerously high (? 75 volts, 40 amps maybe). Maybe the power supply can be a separately priced kit. Not even sure how much I would pay -- I wouldn't want ham radio to cut into my book buying budget for the year. Also, ham radio competes with my other hobby of wood working. Those Shapton glass bottom sharpening stones are getting pricey. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > > I'd be a buyer. > > Rich - N5ZC > > On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >> >> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >> >> >> >> Myron >> >> W7LXN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 12 21:19:53 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:19:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <78BD6BE5-33DD-40ED-B890-DB6001360089@mac.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <78BD6BE5-33DD-40ED-B890-DB6001360089@mac.com> Message-ID: <548BA249.7010009@socal.rr.com> Other issues, too. For example, not all of us have 240 VAC available in our shacks -- at least I don't. And I suspect such an amp would want the higher line voltage. Phil W7OX On 12/12/14 6:06 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > As others have mentioned, there were two amps built and put on display a number of years > ago. One was legal limit and I think the other was about half that (I remember more than the > current 500 Watt KPA500 though). > > I probably would never spend the money for a full legal limit solid-state amp but I might pay > for a kit amp. By "kit" I mean more of a kit than typical of Elecraft's bolt-together kits. I mean > a real soldering kit with some SMTs already placed. Especially useful would be the PA boards and > heat sinks already put together. But, other parts could certainly be lower level kit pieces. Also, > the voltage levels are not too dangerously high (? 75 volts, 40 amps maybe). Maybe the power > supply can be a separately priced kit. > > Not even sure how much I would pay -- I wouldn't want ham radio to cut into my book buying budget > for the year. Also, ham radio competes with my other hobby of wood working. Those Shapton glass > bottom sharpening stones are getting pricey. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > >> On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >> >> I'd be a buyer. >> >> Rich - N5ZC >> >> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >>> >>> >>> >>> Myron >>> >>> W7LXN From lists at subich.com Fri Dec 12 21:32:35 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:32:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548BA249.7010009@socal.rr.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <78BD6BE5-33DD-40ED-B890-DB6001360089@mac.com> <548BA249.7010009@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <548BA543.5030603@subich.com> > And I suspect such an amp would want the higher line voltage. It's not a matter of "wanting" a higher line voltage ... you simply can't pull enough current through a typical 120V circuit to provide enough power for a 1600W *output* amplifier. Such an amplifier is going to need about 4 KVA or around 35 A *average* and much higher peaks even with a power factor corrected switching supply. The 120V wiring in your shack is certainly not up to that level ... nor are the breakers, circuit panel, etc. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-12 9:19 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Other issues, too. For example, not all of us have 240 VAC available in > our shacks -- at least I don't. And I suspect such an amp would want the > higher line voltage. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/12/14 6:06 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> As others have mentioned, there were two amps built and put on display >> a number of years >> ago. One was legal limit and I think the other was about half that (I >> remember more than the >> current 500 Watt KPA500 though). >> >> I probably would never spend the money for a full legal limit >> solid-state amp but I might pay >> for a kit amp. By "kit" I mean more of a kit than typical of >> Elecraft's bolt-together kits. I mean >> a real soldering kit with some SMTs already placed. Especially useful >> would be the PA boards and >> heat sinks already put together. But, other parts could certainly be >> lower level kit pieces. Also, >> the voltage levels are not too dangerously high (? 75 volts, 40 amps >> maybe). Maybe the power >> supply can be a separately priced kit. >> >> Not even sure how much I would pay -- I wouldn't want ham radio to cut >> into my book buying budget >> for the year. Also, ham radio competes with my other hobby of wood >> working. Those Shapton glass >> bottom sharpening stones are getting pricey. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >>> >>> I'd be a buyer. >>> >>> Rich - N5ZC >>> >>> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >>>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor >>>> requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the >>>> seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now >>>> extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially >>>> viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to >>>> ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Myron >>>> >>>> W7LXN > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kk4oyj at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 21:47:05 2014 From: kk4oyj at gmail.com (John, 9H5G) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:47:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <201412121959.20827.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <201412121959.20827.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <57E51C0D-6768-4A45-8440-EAAD3C5B3780@gmail.com> Done! This is an elecraft list, not one for solving all this injustices in the world or anything else. I'm done here and perhaps when a moderator wakes up and is prepared to moderate all this junk I'll subscribe again. If you wanted a lesson in how to reduce a valuable resource to worthless, then you just gave it. 73 de John, 9H5G > On Dec 12, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > > Well, for one thing, if he bought his K-line new Elecraft should be able to > verify that much. I would think that other hams who live in that area and > know him could confirm or deny whether this is a legitimate posting. > > Per one of Jim K9YC's follow ups "the original post to Tower Talk was by > W4GMH, who said he was posting it "to help out one of the local guys." > > Anyone know W4GMH to confirm things with him? > > On another subject, it's sad that our society/world has deteriorated to the > point that we have to go through this many gyrations over this item.... > > 73, Al > >> On Fri December 12 2014 7:12:13 pm Nick Kemp wrote: >> So how do we resolve this? Anyone live close enough to visit? Might a >> letter to AK4EH alert him to our concern? Other options? >> >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> N1KMP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk4oyj at gmail.com From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Fri Dec 12 21:50:34 2014 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:50:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Count me in On 12/12/2014 6:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > I'd be a buyer. > > Rich - N5ZC > > On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >> >> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor >> requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the >> seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now >> extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially >> viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to >> ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >> >> >> >> Myron >> >> W7LXN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com > > > -- > 73, > > Gary K9GS > > Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org > Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com > CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org > > ************************************************ From rtkloe at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 21:57:52 2014 From: rtkloe at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:57:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: I have in the past suggested a 1500 watt amplifier constructed in 500 watt modules. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: > > Count me in > > > > On 12/12/2014 6:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > >> I'd be a buyer. >> >> Rich - N5ZC >> >> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >> >>> >>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor >>> requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless >>> attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w >>> devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps >>> no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on >>> the "consideration" list? >>> >>> >>> >>> Myron >>> >>> W7LXN >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com >> >> >> -- >> 73, >> >> Gary K9GS >> >> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org >> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com >> CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org >> >> ************************************************ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtkloe at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 12 22:02:00 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:02:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <548BAC28.5070601@socal.rr.com> A Troika? Interesting concept. Phil W7OX On 12/12/14 6:57 PM, Bob wrote: > I have in the past suggested a 1500 watt amplifier constructed in 500 watt > modules. > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: >> Count me in >> >> >> >> On 12/12/2014 6:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >> >>> I'd be a buyer. >>> >>> Rich - N5ZC >>> >>> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >>> >>>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor >>>> requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless >>>> attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w >>>> devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps >>>> no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on >>>> the "consideration" list? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Myron >>>> >>>> W7LXN >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary K9GS >>> >>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org >>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com >>> CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org >>> >>> ************************************************ >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rtkloe at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Dec 12 22:05:42 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:05:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KPA1500 ? In-Reply-To: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> References: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2152E61F-5266-4035-B682-4B8ED8D6CC03@wunderwood.org> Platinum-clad hotcakes, perhaps. On the other hand, they could work with a well-respected manufacturer to make an ?Elecraft Edition? amp that was tightly coupled. Either way, out of my price range. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 12, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > A 1.5 KW, RTTY capable 160 - 6 Meter Amp, WITH an Antenna Tuner AND priced > around $5K would sell like hotcakes. > > As long as you don't try to recoup all the R&D costs on the first hundred you could > have another Heath SB-220 !! > > 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 12/12/2014 6:20 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> It's my understanding that Elecraft did indeed have such an amplifier on >> display at Dayton a few years ago. I don't recall the reason it wasn't >> brought to market. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jwiley at gci.net Fri Dec 12 22:27:49 2014 From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:27:49 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <548BB235.3030302@gci.net> Check the ACOM website. They have a setup that uses a hybrid coupler to parallel 3 of their ACOM 2000A amplifiers. I know from experience that an ACOM 2000A will deliver about 2300 watts forward power before it kicks off on excess grid current. It would do more if the guard circuit was readjusted, but what's the point? I think that setup is for their Italian customers. 6000 watts is a full S-unit above a 1500 watt rig. - Jim, KL7CC On 12/12/2014 5:57 PM, Bob wrote: > I have in the past suggested a 1500 watt amplifier constructed in 500 watt > modules. > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: >> Count me in >> >> >> >> On 12/12/2014 6:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >> >>> I'd be a buyer. >>> >>> Rich - N5ZC >>> >>> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >>> >>>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor >>>> requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless >>>> attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w >>>> devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps >>>> no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on >>>> the "consideration" list? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Myron >>>> >>>> W7LXN >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary K9GS >>> >>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org >>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com >>> CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org >>> >>> ************************************************ >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rtkloe at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jwiley at gci.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 12 23:05:11 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (K4ia via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548BBAF7.7070700@aol.com> My scamdar is on high alert. The offer itself seems benign but there is something just not right. I will bet that when you get into the details, this will get fishier and fishier. Someone got just enough information to seem legitimate. The offer to see the equipment will never occur for countless reasons. Somewhere along the line, after you have been lulled in, this will degenerate. I an in a business where we are targeted every day with increasingly sophisticated and believable stories. When in doubt, just say no. Buck k4ia K3# 101 KX3 #715 On 12/12/2014 6:26 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > Regardless of all the arguments about the potential for a scam, the > final message should be "proceed with eyes wide open". > > Nick > N1KMP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Fri Dec 12 23:10:12 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:10:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [TowerTalk] Elecraft package for sale In-Reply-To: <548BBAF7.7070700@aol.com> References: <548BBAF7.7070700@aol.com> Message-ID: Can we let this one go? If your interested in what he has, give him a call and work it out. If you aren't sure, then move on. Many thanks! Mike va3mw On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:05 PM, K4ia via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > My scamdar is on high alert. The offer itself seems benign but there is > something just not right. I will bet that when you get into the details, > this will get fishier and fishier. Someone got just enough information to > seem legitimate. The offer to see the equipment will never occur for > countless reasons. Somewhere along the line, after you have been lulled > in, this will degenerate. > > I an in a business where we are targeted every day with increasingly > sophisticated and believable stories. When in doubt, just say no. > > Buck > k4ia > K3# 101 KX3 #715 > > On 12/12/2014 6:26 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > >> Regardless of all the arguments about the potential for a scam, the >> final message should be "proceed with eyes wide open". >> >> Nick >> N1KMP >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 23:28:53 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 22:28:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 wanted Message-ID: Decided to make the move. I am looking for a K3 in the Northern Illinois / Southern Wisconsin area. Frank KG9H kg9hfrank at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 01:00:35 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 01:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Bob wrote: > > I have in the past suggested a 1500 watt amplifier constructed in 500 watt > modules. > A while back someone talked about a way to put three KPA 500's (or two) in parallel and still force equal power out of the individual amps. Buy three KPA 500's, buy the combiner circuit made for them, and crank away. Where did that idea disappear to? But that still is 6K bux plus the combiner stuff. Kind of get the idea that the problem of the missing 1500 watt amp has something to do with price point for an amp that is brick-on-key reliable and seamlessly integrates as does the KPA500. And then there would have to be a KAT1500 to go with it. That last is a designer's nightmare that is torturing more than one company trying to get a reliable ham price point unit out there that can stand the kinds of things hams do to them. It's like the whole problem shifts into some higher gear around 1000 watts RTTY, and the price change for higher capacity is anything but a linear relation to the power output. The Ameritron ALS-1300 (PEP for SSB voice duty cycle only) is the power out equivalent of a KPA800, if you look at actual CW and RTTY output. 1500 watts brick-on-key you have to go to the big Alpha's, like my 8410, and other close equivalents where you have to read the fine print very carefully. KPA500 was below the 1000 watt price explosion point, used some reasonably priced very reliable finals in a simple configuration, could be put in a K3 case, including its power supply, and a matching antenna tuner was well below the point where reliability required vacuum variables (600 bux plus each for units NEWLY manufactured to spec) and mechanical driver circuitry to adjust them. Friend of mine sold his Acom 2000, went to a K-line plus a pair of KAT500's. He doesn't miss the extra 1000 watts. I'm keeping my 8410, but I know where he's coming from. He's 7 dB over barefoot, I'm 12 dB. Two stations with only one S-unit difference headed to the antennas will always come down to antenna systems and operators. Operators making the difference? Remember that there is a potential 27 dB gain between the ears. Or stated differently, a LID operating a QRO station with big antennas could be beaten in a pile-up by a maxi-operator running 5 or 10 watts with big antennas. 73, Guy. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 13 01:20:46 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 22:20:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/12/2014 10:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Two > stations with only one S-unit difference headed to the antennas will always > come down to antenna systems and operators. Several comments. First, while the "official" definition of an S-unit is 6dB, one S-unit on most receivers is more like 3-4 dB. While I haven't done a linearity test on the K3 S-meter, I suspect it's a bit better. Second, our contest club's leading statistician, N6ZFO, did an analysis of our ARRL Sweepstakes scores and came to the conclusion that 3 dB was worth about 8% in the score of THAT contest. Those dB can come from a lot of places -- power amps, feedlines, antennas, and even QTH. I've run Field Day QRP from a 5,000 ft peak, where I can hold a run frequency with 5 W -- nothing like a 5,000 ft tower! Third, a dB or two is a very big deal when conditions are marginal (for example, the other guy has RX noise). From my own personal experience, I've many MANY marginal QSOs by increasing my output power by 2 dB (by retuning the rig after a wide QSY). Bottom line -- I'll take my dB any way I can get them, and I'll take all I can get. My "weekday" amp is a KPA500, but my weekend (contesting) amps are '80s vintage legal limit Ten Tec Titans, The latest improvement in my shack was adding an LP100A wattmeter that reads true peak power. Because it's more accurate than the other wattmeters (SWR indicators, built into rigs) that has allowed me to operate 1-2 dB closer to the legal limit. 73, Jim K9YC From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 01:41:43 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 01:41:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> <548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Well, I'm with you, but the dB's you are referencing have to be *radiated* power in the needed direction and elevation. I have worked with hams with wonderful, immaculate stations that made errors in the antenna system that cost them a lot if not most of what they sent toward the antenna. This is particularly true on the low bands, and most particularly true on 160. As to LIDs, some of the operating I've heard could not be rescued by any amount of effective radiated power. When one is transmitting on top of the DX one is trying to work, nothing good is going to happen. Or a loud station is consistently calling on frequency when the DX is listening UP, despite numerous urges on frequency to go UP. Or.... The list is long. Given who your club is, the universe of scores in use by your stat guy is a special case on the good side, that's for sure. I would never expect to see that result at large. 73, Guy. On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Fri,12/12/2014 10:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > >> Two >> stations with only one S-unit difference headed to the antennas will >> always >> come down to antenna systems and operators. >> > > Several comments. First, while the "official" definition of an S-unit is > 6dB, one S-unit on most receivers is more like 3-4 dB. While I haven't done > a linearity test on the K3 S-meter, I suspect it's a bit better. > Second, our contest club's leading statistician, N6ZFO, did an analysis of > our ARRL Sweepstakes scores and came to the conclusion that 3 dB was worth > about 8% in the score of THAT contest. Those dB can come from a lot of > places -- power amps, feedlines, antennas, and even QTH. I've run Field Day > QRP from a 5,000 ft peak, where I can hold a run frequency with 5 W -- > nothing like a 5,000 ft tower! > > > Third, a dB or two is a very big deal when conditions are marginal (for > example, the other guy has RX noise). From my own personal experience, I've > many MANY marginal QSOs by increasing my output power by 2 dB (by retuning > the rig after a wide QSY). > > Bottom line -- I'll take my dB any way I can get them, and I'll take all I > can get. My "weekday" amp is a KPA500, but my weekend (contesting) amps are > '80s vintage legal limit Ten Tec Titans, The latest improvement in my shack > was adding an LP100A wattmeter that reads true peak power. Because it's > more accurate than the other wattmeters (SWR indicators, built into rigs) > that has allowed me to operate 1-2 dB closer to the legal limit. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 13 02:44:49 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:44:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> <548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <548BEE71.40908@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/12/2014 10:41 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Given who your club is, the universe of scores in use by your stat guy > is a special case on the good side, that's for sure. I would never > expect to see that result at large. Obviously, this is an "all things being equal" sort of analysis. Given a good operator, what's a dB worth. I've since done some analysis of antenna system design, and answered the question, what is 10 ft worth? http://k9yc.com/VertOrHorizontal-Slides.pdf Many may be surprised by the results. I wanted to answer the question, If I pay tree climbers $800 to raise my 80/40 dipoles 30 ft, what does that buy me? You probably will not. :) A real world answer -- in one weekend, three new band countries on both 80M and on 40M when I already had 195 on 80 and 245 on 40M. 73, Jim K9YC From n4zr at contesting.com Sat Dec 13 05:58:46 2014 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 05:58:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <548C1BE6.8080402@contesting.com> One existed, in prototype form, and one of the testers told me that a few were in the field for testing. It was shown at Dayton at least one year, maybe 10 years ago now. I suspect it used many of the transistors then available. Did you guys notice that the amp in the latest QST cost $4500 for parts - of course, it was two 1.25 KW RF decks in one box, so the cost for a 160-6M legal limit amp might be similar. Still, when you're cranking out KX3s and K3s and P3s and KPA500s the way they are, does it make sense to build up production facilities for a couple of hundred amps a year? 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 12/12/2014 7:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > I'd be a buyer. > > Rich - N5ZC > > On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >> >> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor >> requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the >> seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now >> extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially >> viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to >> ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >> >> >> >> Myron >> >> W7LXN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4zr at contesting.com > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 06:37:34 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:37:34 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548C1BE6.8080402@contesting.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548C1BE6.8080402@contesting.com> Message-ID: <73D78095-9E0B-4C58-A3BE-DC23F17D118B@gmail.com> There was a KPA1500 and KPA800 shown at Visalia one year. I saw the 1500 in action, connected to a keyer sending an endless loop into a dummy load at full power. I was told later that there was no problem with performance or FCC specs. They simply wanted to concentrate their resources into the K3, which had just come out. The projected price, though, was WAY above $5000. When they came up for air after selling a gazillion K3's, they apparently decided that an amplifier the same size as the K3 that could run on 120V and sell for less than a king's ransom was a better product. I have heard that a prototype KPA1500 is in the shack of a loud ham in California. Vic K2VCO/4X6GP > On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > One existed, in prototype form, and one of the testers told me that a few were in the field for testing. It was shown at Dayton at least one year, maybe 10 years ago now. I suspect it used many of the transistors then available. > > Did you guys notice that the amp in the latest QST cost $4500 for parts - of course, it was two 1.25 KW RF decks in one box, so the cost for a 160-6M legal limit amp might be similar. Still, when you're cranking out KX3s and K3s and P3s and KPA500s the way they are, does it make sense to build up production facilities for a couple of hundred amps a year? > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at > http://reversebeacon.net, > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. > For spots, please go to your favorite > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. > >> On 12/12/2014 7:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >> I'd be a buyer. >> >> Rich - N5ZC >> >>> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >>> >>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >>> >>> >>> >>> Myron >>> >>> W7LXN >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4zr at contesting.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 13 07:11:30 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Richard Dodd via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 play nice with an LDG AT 100 PROII? Message-ID: <235526087.190524.1418472690790.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Steve, I use an LDG Z-11 Pro II autotuner with my KXPA100. ?It works fine. ?If you are using a KX3, you do not manually have to turn down the power when tuning. ?There is a menu setting in the KX3 (TUN PWR). ?When set to NOR, it tunes at whatever power setting you are currently using. ?But, if you set it to a numeric value, it will use that power level when you press the TUNE button. ?I leave mine set at 5 watts. ?For my auto tuner, it works great. Don't forget that you have that TUN PWR setting set. ?There may be times you need it set to NOR. ?For example: when doing the 4W, 6W output calibration you need it set to NOR. 73,Richard - K4KRW From wes at triconet.org Sat Dec 13 07:56:54 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 05:56:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548BEE71.40908@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com><548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com><548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548BEE71.40908@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <548C3796.3090305@triconet.org> Congratulations, but do you believe that you would have not worked them with the antenna 30 feet lower? Wes N7WS On 12/13/2014 12:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > [snip] > > http://k9yc.com/VertOrHorizontal-Slides.pdf Many may be surprised by the > results. I wanted to answer the question, If I pay tree climbers $800 to raise > my 80/40 dipoles 30 ft, what does that buy me? You probably will not. :) > > A real world answer -- in one weekend, three new band countries on both 80M > and on 40M when I already had 195 on 80 and 245 on 40M. > > From w7aqk at cox.net Sat Dec 13 09:10:38 2014 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk at cox.net) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? Message-ID: <693E45CA08744081833F226A87D22189@TDYDell> Yes, Elecraft did have two prototypes fairly early on--a model "800", and a larger model "1600", or something close to that nomenclature wise. I saw them both at Pacificon one year, and they looked very nice. I think this was an "Eric" project, so you probably need to speak to him as to whether or not they might ever revive the larger amp project. I don't know exactly what stunted the further development of these amps at the time, but I can guess! Obviously, we eventually got a 500 watt amp, which is a very nice fit for a lot of us. This is probably a pared down version, but refined also, of the model 800. I have no doubt that Elecraft could successfully produce a KW, or KW+ amp. However, the problems of doing so are clearly substantial. As many "voices" as we always hear asking for such a model, you might think it would be a big success. However, a very big stumbling block would probably be price! Such an amp would not be cheap, and I suspect it would be well beyond the budget of a great many who would otherwise want one. As the market potential for something like this goes down due to pricing, the pricing actually goes up to make up some of the shortfall (and recover the development costs, etc.). So, the ultimate price can seem inordinately high. Then you have the plethora of issues that higher power causes. How many prospective purchasers would have to rewire their shacks for 240 volts? How do you keep these big gun amps "clean" spec wise? Etc. Etc. What I'm not sure of is whether or not Elecraft could sufficiently differentiate their big amp from those that are already out there. I can imagine there would be a heck of a lot of "nit-picking" about this or that, and it would be a real headache. This high power stuff is a whole different ballgame from what I think the focus of Elecraft has generally been so far. There are several companies out there that concentrate on nothing else. Even though they are capable of it, I'm not sure Elecraft wants to divert their attention this much to effectively do battle in that arena. Besides, I get a very strong impression that they already have more than enough ideas in their heads to keep them busy for a long time to come. They can't do everything, nor do they want to. Dave W7AQK From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat Dec 13 09:12:13 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale : 2SC2166 Message-ID: <2106316822.159244.1418479933290.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10953.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Hello Elecrafters, This driver transistor has been used in KX1, K1 and K2. ?I have 4 of them (new and unused) surplus to my requirement. You can have it at USD4 per unit, sent by ordinary airmail. ?For registered airmail, the cost will be USD6 per unit. ?If you take all 4 of them, saving in shipping costs will be credited to you. Please note that the above price is just an intention to cover the shipping and package costs. If you are interested, please email me off-the-list. 73 Johnny VR2XMC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Dec 13 09:23:04 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 05:23:04 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? Message-ID: <201412131423.sBDEN5Hu096391@denali.acsalaska.net> I did not have 240vac into my shack, either, but needed it to run my 2m-8877 at 1500w, so.... I ran a 35-foot run of No.-8 3-conductor plus No. 12 ground which I bought at HomeDepot. I also bought a 60amp service box and a 240v 30A twist-lock receptacle and plug (for my 8877 HVPS connection). I threw the master breaker at the meter to wire it in on the hot side of my home load box. I broke out two 120v 20A ckts to supply my shack along with 240v 20A to the amplifier. Now maybe many of you are adverse to working on your own or concerned about IBEW suing you? I just did it. Of course I had a full summer working as electrician's helper when I was in college, working with as high as 440v 500a service in industrial settings, so I knew roughly what to do. In the same vein I installed my cut-over switch for my 6500w Honda Generator using the same No. 8 cable in a conduit. I did have the power company shut down my service for an hour to do the cut over wiring. Re: solid-state QRO, the Freescale LDMOS device is rated at 1200w and is nearly indestructable. Many are being built for up to 1296 mostly for eme. M2 has one for sale on 2m. W6PQL has a line in production. Communications-Concepts sells a HF amp rated to 1200w. All require 50v at 50amps (which is 2500VA and requires 240v as primary). I would suggest that Elecraft determined that they would not be competitive in that market along with all the other players. I think Ameritron just announced an entry in that category and pretty sure Alpha has one. I have two amplifier kits I bought from Comm-Concepts: 300w and 140w and spent about $500 on each. Works well for me. Someday it would be nice to have the KPA500 for all its bells and whistles. But not high on my list. 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:19:53 -0800 From: Phil Wheeler To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kpa1500? Message-ID: <548BA249.7010009 at socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Other issues, too. For example, not all of us have 240 VAC available in our shacks -- at least I don't. And I suspect such an amp would want the higher line voltage. Phil W7OX 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From km6cq at km6cq.com Sat Dec 13 09:31:52 2014 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 06:31:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? Message-ID: My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. I think the Mississippi company is the only one making a 500 watt mobile amp now. Seems like there is an opportunity to be had. I would gladly donate my ALS-500 to Wayne and Eric so they could see how not to build one. Dan KM6CQ From lists at subich.com Sat Dec 13 10:01:30 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548C54CA.8010407@subich.com> On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: > My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. That's difficult due to the 12V requirement. To do it right using 12V capable transistors/FETS would take at least two and probably four amplifier boards similar to the KPA500 with associated splitters and combiners. *Without tuner and power supply* would put the price somewhere north of the KPA-500 just because of all the controls, heat sinks, etc. There is a reason that 12V capable transceivers do not run more than 100W output (typically 2 x 60W or 2 x 80W transistors in push-pull). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: > My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. I think > the Mississippi company is the only one making a 500 watt mobile amp now. > Seems like there is an opportunity to be had. I would gladly donate my > ALS-500 to Wayne and Eric so they could see how not to build one. > > Dan KM6CQ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Dec 13 10:13:21 2014 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:13:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KPA1500 ? In-Reply-To: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> References: <548B9A1E.2080501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <548C5791.6060707@mediacombb.net> The $5K part just isn't going to happen...ever. Bare naked 500W KPA500 factory built sans tuner costs $2300 multiply times 3 and you get $6900 still sans tuner. When you go up in output and duty cycle you go up in cost, especially if using solid state devices and the requisite anti-stupid hardware and firmware to keep your average ham from roasting transistors. On 12/12/2014 7:45 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > A 1.5 KW, RTTY capable 160 - 6 Meter Amp, WITH an Antenna Tuner AND > priced > around $5K would sell like hotcakes. > > ______________________________________________________________ > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From bill at wjschmidt.com Sat Dec 13 10:20:37 2014 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:20:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <09cc01d016e8$59746b50$0c5d41f0$@wjschmidt.com> I did it. It works fine. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch Staunton, Illinois email: bill at wjschmidt.com -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:01 AM To: Bob Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kpa1500? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Bob wrote: > > I have in the past suggested a 1500 watt amplifier constructed in 500 watt > modules. > A while back someone talked about a way to put three KPA 500's (or two) in parallel and still force equal power out of the individual amps. Buy three KPA 500's, buy the combiner circuit made for them, and crank away. Where did that idea disappear to? But that still is 6K bux plus the combiner stuff. Kind of get the idea that the problem of the missing 1500 watt amp has something to do with price point for an amp that is brick-on-key reliable and seamlessly integrates as does the KPA500. And then there would have to be a KAT1500 to go with it. That last is a designer's nightmare that is torturing more than one company trying to get a reliable ham price point unit out there that can stand the kinds of things hams do to them. It's like the whole problem shifts into some higher gear around 1000 watts RTTY, and the price change for higher capacity is anything but a linear relation to the power output. The Ameritron ALS-1300 (PEP for SSB voice duty cycle only) is the power out equivalent of a KPA800, if you look at actual CW and RTTY output. 1500 watts brick-on-key you have to go to the big Alpha's, like my 8410, and other close equivalents where you have to read the fine print very carefully. KPA500 was below the 1000 watt price explosion point, used some reasonably priced very reliable finals in a simple configuration, could be put in a K3 case, including its power supply, and a matching antenna tuner was well below the point where reliability required vacuum variables (600 bux plus each for units NEWLY manufactured to spec) and mechanical driver circuitry to adjust them. Friend of mine sold his Acom 2000, went to a K-line plus a pair of KAT500's. He doesn't miss the extra 1000 watts. I'm keeping my 8410, but I know where he's coming from. He's 7 dB over barefoot, I'm 12 dB. Two stations with only one S-unit difference headed to the antennas will always come down to antenna systems and operators. Operators making the difference? Remember that there is a potential 27 dB gain between the ears. Or stated differently, a LID operating a QRO station with big antennas could be beaten in a pile-up by a maxi-operator running 5 or 10 watts with big antennas. 73, Guy. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 10:29:00 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:29:00 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548C54CA.8010407@subich.com> References: <548C54CA.8010407@subich.com> Message-ID: Gee whizz Just what the world needs...another dirty 13.8v...oops 12vdc mobile amp. Why do folks need to run so much power mobile?...oh yeah, i forgot....silly me. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 14/12/2014 1:02 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > > On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: > >> My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. >> > > That's difficult due to the 12V requirement. To do it right using 12V > capable transistors/FETS would take at least two and probably four > amplifier boards similar to the KPA500 with associated splitters and > combiners. *Without tuner and power supply* would put the price > somewhere north of the KPA-500 just because of all the controls, heat > sinks, etc. There is a reason that 12V capable transceivers do not > run more than 100W output (typically 2 x 60W or 2 x 80W transistors > in push-pull). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: > >> My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. I think >> the Mississippi company is the only one making a 500 watt mobile amp now. >> Seems like there is an opportunity to be had. I would gladly donate my >> ALS-500 to Wayne and Eric so they could see how not to build one. >> >> Dan KM6CQ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 10:36:03 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:36:03 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <09cc01d016e8$59746b50$0c5d41f0$@wjschmidt.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> <09cc01d016e8$59746b50$0c5d41f0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: Good grief....guessing is becoming a favorite topic on the reflector these days and somehow morphs into reality. Would not hold my breath on another amp...some of us are still waiting for features promised to be implemented in other elecraft products..but what would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 14/12/2014 1:20 AM, "Dr. William J. Schmidt, II" wrote: > I did it. It works fine. > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch > Staunton, Illinois > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy > Olinger K2AV > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:01 AM > To: Bob > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kpa1500? > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Bob wrote: > > > > I have in the past suggested a 1500 watt amplifier constructed in 500 > watt > > modules. > > > > A while back someone talked about a way to put three KPA 500's (or two) in > parallel and still force equal power out of the individual amps. Buy three > KPA 500's, buy the combiner circuit made for them, and crank away. Where > did that idea disappear to? > > But that still is 6K bux plus the combiner stuff. > > Kind of get the idea that the problem of the missing 1500 watt amp has > something to do with price point for an amp that is brick-on-key reliable > and seamlessly integrates as does the KPA500. And then there would have to > be a KAT1500 to go with it. That last is a designer's nightmare that is > torturing more than one company trying to get a reliable ham price point > unit out there that can stand the kinds of things hams do to them. > > It's like the whole problem shifts into some higher gear around 1000 watts > RTTY, and the price change for higher capacity is anything but a linear > relation to the power output. > > The Ameritron ALS-1300 (PEP for SSB voice duty cycle only) is the power out > equivalent of a KPA800, if you look at actual CW and RTTY output. > > 1500 watts brick-on-key you have to go to the big Alpha's, like my 8410, > and other close equivalents where you have to read the fine print very > carefully. > > KPA500 was below the 1000 watt price explosion point, used some reasonably > priced very reliable finals in a simple configuration, could be put in a K3 > case, including its power supply, and a matching antenna tuner was well > below the point where reliability required vacuum variables (600 bux plus > each for units NEWLY manufactured to spec) and mechanical driver circuitry > to adjust them. > > Friend of mine sold his Acom 2000, went to a K-line plus a pair of > KAT500's. He doesn't miss the extra 1000 watts. I'm keeping my 8410, but I > know where he's coming from. He's 7 dB over barefoot, I'm 12 dB. Two > stations with only one S-unit difference headed to the antennas will always > come down to antenna systems and operators. > > Operators making the difference? Remember that there is a potential 27 dB > gain between the ears. Or stated differently, a LID operating a QRO station > with big antennas could be beaten in a pile-up by a maxi-operator running 5 > or 10 watts with big antennas. > > 73, Guy. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Dec 13 10:39:20 2014 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> Message-ID: <548C5DA8.7090206@mediacombb.net> Nicely put Guy. My WK3USB has totally replaced my Logikey K5 for everything...not just contests. I think I'll try "Bug Mode" this afternoon, or maybe Ultimatic. I always thought Elecraft should have licensed the WK2/3 chip from K1EL like Micro Ham did. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 10:49:35 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:49:35 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug mode on K3? In-Reply-To: <548C5DA8.7090206@mediacombb.net> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> <548C5DA8.7090206@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: There is ample amounts of kool-aid flooding around here still i see...:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 14/12/2014 1:39 AM, "Kevin Stover" wrote: > Nicely put Guy. > My WK3USB has totally replaced my Logikey K5 for everything...not just > contests. > I think I'll try "Bug Mode" this afternoon, or maybe Ultimatic. > I always thought Elecraft should have licensed the WK2/3 chip from K1EL > like Micro Ham did. > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From andrewfaber at ymail.com Sat Dec 13 11:19:47 2014 From: andrewfaber at ymail.com (Andy Faber) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 08:19:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 problem In-Reply-To: <548C5DA8.7090206@mediacombb.net> References: <201412090556.sB95unfK049392@denali.acsalaska.net> <000901d01455$7ce7dc10$76b79430$@co.uk> <548C5DA8.7090206@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <59AA2CA74A8D40C595DEE50509BC9659@AndyDesktop> My KPA-500 seems to have developed a problem. It acts normally, except when the OPER/STBY switch is in OPER, it seems to attenuate received signals by 20dB or more. This is new behavior. Any ideas? If it's relevant, I have an early model, serial under 100, that has behaved flawlessly up till now. 73, andy ae6y From jthorpe at liberty.edu Sat Dec 13 11:38:22 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:38:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 IQ output question Message-ID: I was under the assumption (yeah - I know...) that the IQ output was "unmodified" by your settings on the radio. However, when I run the IQ out to my panadapter (I use iSDR on my iPad Air through a stereo USB soundcard) I pretty much have to turn the PreAmp off. With it on I get a full screen of "green" on the waterfall. With it off the green is just where there is activity. So, do I have some setting that needs adjusting (aside from turning off the PreAmp)? Jeff - kg7hdz From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 13 11:43:06 2014 From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] trying CWskimmer, K3 always in transmit Message-ID: <20141213164306.MA9B0.124800.root@cdptpa-web25> Based on discussions on this list I thought I would try CWSkimmer to attempt to copy those speedy CW operators. For some reason I can't figure out, when I open CWSkimmer the K3 transmit light comes on. I have selected the signallink as the sound card and CAT via COM4. The K3 is in Data A mode with VOX off. CWskimmer does see the signals in the waterfall and copies them. Can anyone hypothesize what I have set wrong? Since this program does not have a transmit function I am confused... THANKS! Julie KT4JR From lists at subich.com Sat Dec 13 11:56:50 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:56:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <548C54CA.8010407@subich.com> Message-ID: <548C6FD2.9040700@subich.com> > Just what the world needs...another dirty 13.8v...oops 12vdc mobile > amp. They don't need to be dirty ... the problem is that it takes so many "pills" to make the power that designers tend to use the 60, 80 or 100W rated transistors right up to their saturated output rather than limit each pair of devices to 50 - 60% of PEP output. For example ... the MRF-421 is rated as a 100W transistor but third order IMD is minimized around 50-55W. An "eight pill" design could make 900W in saturated mode but in order to keep it clean, the output would need to kept to 500 W PEP. This, in spite of the fact than Communications Concepts sells a 2 x MRF-421 board set as a "180 Watt HF amplifier" (Motorola AN-762). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-13 10:29 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Gee whizz > > Just what the world needs...another dirty 13.8v...oops 12vdc mobile amp. > > Why do folks need to run so much power mobile?...oh yeah, i forgot....silly > me. > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 14/12/2014 1:02 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> >> >> On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: >> >>> My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. >>> >> >> That's difficult due to the 12V requirement. To do it right using 12V >> capable transistors/FETS would take at least two and probably four >> amplifier boards similar to the KPA500 with associated splitters and >> combiners. *Without tuner and power supply* would put the price >> somewhere north of the KPA-500 just because of all the controls, heat >> sinks, etc. There is a reason that 12V capable transceivers do not >> run more than 100W output (typically 2 x 60W or 2 x 80W transistors >> in push-pull). >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: >> >>> My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. I think >>> the Mississippi company is the only one making a 500 watt mobile amp now. >>> Seems like there is an opportunity to be had. I would gladly donate my >>> ALS-500 to Wayne and Eric so they could see how not to build one. >>> >>> Dan KM6CQ >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > From ormandj at corenode.com Sat Dec 13 12:17:23 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:17:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 in sunlight Message-ID: How are people coping with use of the PX3 in any kind of sunlight? My display is completely unreadable even on a cloudy day. Even trying to shade it with my hand didn't work out. Curious what others are doing to mitigate this when operating portable, as the PX3 is such a huge help I'd rather not go without it! Thank you, David From hhoyt at mebtel.net Sat Dec 13 12:41:44 2014 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KPA1500 Message-ID: <548C7A58.7030508@mebtel.net> >>A 1.5 KW, RTTY capable 160 - 6 Meter Amp, >>WITH an Antenna Tuner AND priced >>around $5K would sell like hotcakes. I'm like a lot of other hams who are fortunate/hard working enough to be able to afford the Elecraft K-line, and know two who have already augmented their full K-lines with Acom2000s. They both stated if Elecraft had an amp that did legal limit they would have bought Elecraft instead. I suspect there are several thousand K-line owners who are the same, including me, I have recently been looking at the Acom myself for the same reason but don't happen to have $7k in my wallet at the moment. I love the inherent integration Elecraft designs into it's K-line and would buy a KPA1500 in a minute in the $5k range. One request: I own a KPA500 and it's fan/jet engine exhaust is far too loud for quiet shack use when contesting. The decision to use a high head-pressure tunnel sink design was made early in the design process to keep the case size down, and it performs very well with the exception of the inescapable noise. I know others have installed quieter fans, but an analysis of air-flow will show them incapable of the same degree of cooling. I have been designing cooling solutions for industrial systems for years and if you study fan manufacturer's CFM/pressure curves, you find there is a pretty invariant relationship between a fan's ability to maintain CFM into back pressure and it's noise with today's fan designs, regardless of brand or blade shape. If and when Elecraft designs a KPA1500, I suggest multiple slower-spinning, quiet 120mm fans be considered to keep noise to a minimum, as opposed to multiple small higher-RPM fans which can make more noise. Alternatively a heavily baffled air flow path such as the Acom uses (but which takes space) can offer adequate noise reduction. This is an initial design criterion which dictates heatsink design and case layout...but Elecraft's engineers know all that stuff. Just my $0.02, Howie - WA4PSC From ormandj at corenode.com Sat Dec 13 12:43:38 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:43:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 in sunlight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hoop / K9QJS pointed out there was an LCD brightness adjustment. Mine was set at 20, I've since turned it up to 100. I'll be trying it out again today, but I suspect it will go a long ways towards helping. Just wanted to post a follow-up in case anybody else runs into this. David On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM, David Orman wrote: > How are people coping with use of the PX3 in any kind of sunlight? My > display is completely unreadable even on a cloudy day. Even trying to shade > it with my hand didn't work out. Curious what others are doing to mitigate > this when operating portable, as the PX3 is such a huge help I'd rather not > go without it! > > Thank you, > David > From breedenwb at cableone.net Sat Dec 13 12:56:58 2014 From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:56:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548C7DEA.8070704@cableone.net> Eric, WA6HHQ, gave a presentation titled "High Performance Ham Radio: Inside KPA500 & Elecraft K-Line" at various hamfests in 2011, including Huntsville where I attended. He explained that they built three different sized prototype amplifiers for proof of concept and to establish the cost for each. He indicated that when that effort was complete the KPA500 was thought to be the best fit for the market at that time. When asked what happened to the legal limit amplifier, he said that it was in his shack. Eric can correct me if I have failed to remember his presentation accurately. The Huntsville hamfest in 2011 was very memorable for me. I was ready to buy a new radio to replace my FT-1000 and had narrowed the field to the FT-5000 and K3 by the time I arrived at the hamfest. After attending Eric's presentation and speaking with him twice at the Elecraft booth, my mind was made up. I slept on my decision a few nights and ordered a K3, P3, and KPA500 later that week. I have never regretted that decision. 73, Bill - NA5DX On 12/13/2014 5:00 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:20:26 -0700 > From: Ken G Kopp > To: Richard Thorne > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KPA1500 ? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It's my understanding that Elecraft did indeed have such an amplifier on > display at Dayton a few years ago. I don't recall the reason it wasn't > brought to market. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP From raysills3 at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 13:34:49 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <548C7A58.7030508@mebtel.net> References: <548C7A58.7030508@mebtel.net> Message-ID: All this discussion about a KPA1500 is interesting. If I had a permanent shack... and I had a K3, I think I'd be quite happy with a KPA500.. even with a "noisy" fan. Going that extra distance (expense) for a few more dB.. does not seem to be very cost effective. Of course, there are those who will not spare the expense, and that's fine. But, really, I'm quite happy being a QRP guy, and running my KX3 from battery power. I'd rather spend disposable funds on another KX3... (nice to have a spare on hand). :) So, keep making them, Eric & Wayne! OK... I might -consider- a KXPA100, but only because with today's battery technology, it would be possible to power them that way. But, it would likely be down a bit on my "wish list". 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 13:46:26 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 05:46:26 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 IQ output question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88FD34A6-913A-4C5C-891C-C3762E339D26@gmail.com> Check out the block diagram: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Manual%20Block%20Diagram.pdf You can see the RX I/Q output comes after the preamp, and so will be affected by the preamp setting. I have to say, if the band noise is so high as to make everything green on the screen, does it make sense to run the preamp? If your S-meter is moving with the preamp off, then you already have plenty of sensitivity for the conditions, and turning the preamp on becomes a little counter-productive. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 14 Dec 2014, at 3:38 am, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > > I was under the assumption (yeah - I know...) that the IQ output was "unmodified" by your settings on the radio. However, when I run the IQ out to my panadapter (I use iSDR on my iPad Air through a stereo USB soundcard) I pretty much have to turn the PreAmp off. With it on I get a full screen of "green" on the waterfall. With it off the green is just where there is activity. > > So, do I have some setting that needs adjusting (aside from turning off the PreAmp)? > > Jeff - kg7hdz > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From jthorpe at liberty.edu Sat Dec 13 13:52:19 2014 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:52:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 IQ output question In-Reply-To: <88FD34A6-913A-4C5C-891C-C3762E339D26@gmail.com> References: , <88FD34A6-913A-4C5C-891C-C3762E339D26@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep, I've been leaving it off. I was curious though, as I thought I'd read something different. Forgot about the block diagram. Thank-you Matt. Jeff - kg7hdz > > I have to say, if the band noise is so high as to make everything green on the screen, does it make sense to run the preamp? If your S-meter is moving with the preamp off, then you already have plenty of sensitivity for the conditions, and turning the preamp on becomes a little counter-productive. > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ >> From wa8cdu at charter.net Sat Dec 13 14:02:35 2014 From: wa8cdu at charter.net (Bill Robbins) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K2 Construction Help Message-ID: <548C8D4B.3040503@charter.net> I bought a partially assembled K2 and am continuing the construction. I am at p.63, Alignment and Test, Part II. All is well until I get to VCO Test. I get no frequency reading. The probe is fine and I get 4VDC at the test point, TP1. All of the obvious has been done.....Solder bridges, missing parts, etc. But, obviously, I am missing something. Where do I start? Thanks again to this group. Bill From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat Dec 13 14:27:05 2014 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:27:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <09cc01d016e8$59746b50$0c5d41f0$@wjschmidt.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> <09cc01d016e8$59746b50$0c5d41f0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: <572F1DDB-C4ED-45F4-B2EC-8086BC8ED876@tx.rr.com> > > > And then there would have to > be a KAT1500 to go with it. Have we completely lost the ability to do anything if a mouse click or one-button push won?t do it for us??? :-) Grant NQ5T From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 13 14:32:13 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chuck Tifft via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:32:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100F For Sale Message-ID: <548C943D.4060305@yahoo.com> Hello List, I have an excellent K3/100F for sale S/N 68XX. Factory built K3 with KAT3-F KBPF3 General Coverage RX Module KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder KFL3A-250 250Hz 8 Pole Filter KFL3A-400 400 Hz 8 Pole Filter KFL3A-6K 6 Khz AM Filter KFL3B-FM FM Filter KTCXO3-1 0.5 PPM TCXO KXV3A RX ANt. IF Out and Xverter Board MH2 Hand Microphone Nifty Mini Manual N7HKW Cover Manuals and Power Cord Current cost about $4000. Plus another $300 in Taxes if you live in CA. Pictures available $3050. Shipped CONUS Chuck W6RD From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Dec 13 15:10:22 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:10:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <73D78095-9E0B-4C58-A3BE-DC23F17D118B@gmail.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548C1BE6.8080402@contesting.com> <73D78095-9E0B-4C58-A3BE-DC23F17D118B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42959DE4-4318-412A-80C6-5EC82D33E1FF@me.com> Hey Vic; Hope you are enjoying life in Israel. Someday I'd love to visit the country. Strange not having you over here, though. As for the original KPAs, I can assure you that at this time there are no functional units. There are a lot of wild rumors on the list in this topic, most very much untrue. But, I will also say that the KPA500 contains a close derivative of the firmware from the earlier effort. And yes, the older units were beasts! Carrying them took a bit of effort! 73! JackB, W6FB Sent from my iPad > On Dec 13, 2014, at 3:37 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > There was a KPA1500 and KPA800 shown at Visalia one year. I saw the 1500 in action, connected to a keyer sending an endless loop into a dummy load at full power. I was told later that there was no problem with performance or FCC specs. They simply wanted to concentrate their resources into the K3, which had just come out. The projected price, though, was WAY above $5000. > > When they came up for air after selling a gazillion K3's, they apparently decided that an amplifier the same size as the K3 that could run on 120V and sell for less than a king's ransom was a better product. I have heard that a prototype KPA1500 is in the shack of a loud ham in California. > > Vic K2VCO/4X6GP > >> On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >> >> One existed, in prototype form, and one of the testers told me that a few were in the field for testing. It was shown at Dayton at least one year, maybe 10 years ago now. I suspect it used many of the transistors then available. >> >> Did you guys notice that the amp in the latest QST cost $4500 for parts - of course, it was two 1.25 KW RF decks in one box, so the cost for a 160-6M legal limit amp might be similar. Still, when you're cranking out KX3s and K3s and P3s and KPA500s the way they are, does it make sense to build up production facilities for a couple of hundred amps a year? >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >> http://reversebeacon.net, >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >> For spots, please go to your favorite >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >> >>> On 12/12/2014 7:58 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >>> I'd be a buyer. >>> >>> Rich - N5ZC >>> >>>> On 12/12/2014 6:17 PM, CenturyLink Customer wrote: >>>> >>>> As a 6 month Elecrafter (k3+p3) I have never seen any discussion nor requests for a legal limit compatible Elecraft amplifier with the seamless attributes of the kpa500 . It would seem that the now extablished 1000 w devices could form the basis for a commercially viable amplifier. Perhaps no one else is interested, but I wanted to ask if such a product is even on the "consideration" list? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Myron >>>> >>>> W7LXN >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n4zr at contesting.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From wes at triconet.org Sat Dec 13 15:11:22 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:11:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <548C9D6A.1040401@triconet.org> I'm positive that I had everything set as desired. I thought my original post said as much. The Lock function survives everything, even band changes, which I find curious. Perhaps there is a need for it other than how I use it, which is to lock the A VFO when I use split. Since I have no second receiver, but do have an SDR-IQ bandscope I often use the REV button and the main tuning knob to set my TX frequency to the last calling station's frequency. A slip on the REV button while doing this will move the A VFO rather than the B, so locking A prevents this. It would be helpful (and to me, logical) to have a memory recall or band change unlock the VFO. The RX Ant state is not memorized. This is easy to see. Turn on the RX antenna and recall any M1-M4 memory. It will stay on. Wes N7WS On 12/11/2014 4:09 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > Are you certain you had all the desired parameters set in the K3 when you > stored the M1-M4 per band memories? I find that they do save the mode, > frequencies, filter settings and antenna selection that you have requested. > I don't know about your Split Macro and the LOCK functions or the RX antenna > because I have not tried those in my setup. > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 15:54:16 2014 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:54:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <42959DE4-4318-412A-80C6-5EC82D33E1FF@me.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548C1BE6.8080402@contesting.com> <73D78095-9E0B-4C58-A3BE-DC23F17D118B@gmail.com> <42959DE4-4318-412A-80C6-5EC82D33E1FF@me.com> Message-ID: <548CA778.9030907@gmail.com> Jack, Did Elecraft destroy the two functional units they had at Dayton? I literally spent hours looking at them at Dayton, and the KPA1500 was running at legal limit output for three days. It was a beauty! http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html 73, Scott, N9AA On 12/13/14, 3:10 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Hey Vic; > > Hope you are enjoying life in Israel. Someday I'd love to visit the country. Strange not having you over here, though. > > As for the original KPAs, I can assure you that at this time there are no functional units. There are a lot of wild rumors on the list in this topic, most very much untrue. But, I will also say that the KPA500 contains a close derivative of the firmware from the earlier effort. > > And yes, the older units were beasts! Carrying them took a bit of effort! > > 73! > > JackB, W6FB > > Sent from my iPad > > From aa4v at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 13 15:55:57 2014 From: aa4v at bellsouth.net (Steve) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:55:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 kpa500 amps in tandem Message-ID: <37703C19-5C3F-4EBF-98DC-77BFF73587C6@bellsouth.net> Has anyone ever sun two KPA500s in tandem? If so, how did you do it and what hardware is needed? Thanks Steve AA4V Sent from my I-Phone From greenacres113 at charter.net Sat Dec 13 16:03:57 2014 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (r miles) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:03:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1000 1500 Message-ID: <78cbc955.bd92c.14a45770d89.Webtop.48@charter.net> If you're a serious contester maybe you want the extra DBs. But for DXers, with any skill you can wrk. what's out there with the K line. If a bigger amp cabinet was needed. A much larger & heavier one they probably wouldn't be going on DXpeditions as they are now. Most recent DXpeditions are exclusively K3s and/or KPAs. I have an average DXer stn. & I've not yet missed anything. I know the rare call & locations help them but I've not been where I couldn't copy the DX. I've had my K line nearly 3 yr.s and I personally wouldn't go back to a tube amp. Can't tell you how much rare DX I've seen spotted & been there in 15 seconds & wrkd it. I wouldn't want to sit there waiting a minute or two til the warm up light goes out on a tube amp. Be 20 or 30 more calling by then. Probably K line guys.... Just my opinion. K9IL From steverob at shoreham.net Sat Dec 13 16:13:43 2014 From: steverob at shoreham.net (Stephen Roberts) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:13:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone have a K1 they would consider selling? Message-ID: <360E5719-31CE-4E24-89F5-04C41042BB04@shoreham.net> I'm thinking about getting a K1 for portable ops. Anyone have one they might want to part with? 73 Steve, W1SFR From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Dec 13 16:28:36 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:28:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <548C9D6A.1040401@triconet.org> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> <548C9D6A.1040401@triconet.org> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I'm positive that I had everything set as desired. I thought my original post said as much. > > The Lock function survives everything, even band changes, which I find curious. Perhaps there is a need for it other than how I use it, which is to lock the A VFO when I use split. Lock is global because it was intended to keep the VFO from moving while operating mobile. Your application suggests making it per-band/per-memory, which I will add to the list. > > The RX Ant state is not memorized. This is easy to see. Turn on the RX antenna and recall any M1-M4 memory. It will stay on. RX ANT is stored per-band, not per-memory. This seems like the right choice. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Dec 13 16:37:33 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:37:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 in sunlight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <283AFB8D-D786-495B-A28B-B02B744F13D5@elecraft.com> That should definitely help. The display is transmissive (not reflective), so the contrast ratio is proportional to backlight/ambient light. Reflective displays typically have lower resolution and/or sluggish response, either of which would not have worked for the PX3. So we stuck with transmissive. And given the goal of low-power operation, the backlight can only be so bright. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 13, 2014, at 9:17 AM, David Orman wrote: > How are people coping with use of the PX3 in any kind of sunlight? My > display is completely unreadable even on a cloudy day. Even trying to shade > it with my hand didn't work out. Curious what others are doing to mitigate > this when operating portable, as the PX3 is such a huge help I'd rather not > go without it! > > Thank you, > David > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 16:39:36 2014 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:39:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Receive Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I am hearing CW signals on both sides of the KS3's passband. Each side seems to be of equal strength. This is a factory built-KX3; MCU version 2.27 and DSP version 1.30. I have the VFO noise reduction turned off. I did recently update the firmware, but I can't be sure the problem was not there before, although I sure didn't notice it. I did notice it today with all the 10 M CW activity, but the problem is on all bands; signals. Any others experiencing this? --Ed-- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From k6st at arrl.net Sat Dec 13 16:43:58 2014 From: k6st at arrl.net (K6ST Barry Bettman) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:43:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 AutoTuner & DVR Wanted Message-ID: Looking for a KAT3 autotuner and also a DVR for my K3. 73, Barry K6ST k6st at arrl.net From wes at triconet.org Sat Dec 13 16:44:55 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:44:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1000 1500 In-Reply-To: <78cbc955.bd92c.14a45770d89.Webtop.48@charter.net> References: <78cbc955.bd92c.14a45770d89.Webtop.48@charter.net> Message-ID: <548CB357.5010104@triconet.org> A couple of things. The K1N, Navassa DXpedition, (according to QST's "How's DX" will use SGC-500 amps, despite having Elecraft as a sponsor. (I'm not sure SGC amps are available, but that's another story). Amps using 3-500s are essentially instant-on. Just for the record, I retired an L-4B and replaced it with a KPA500/KAT500. I do miss the 3 dB, but the "no tune" is nice, although I'm not overjoyed with the tuner and when planned antenna changes are complete, may remove it. Wes N7WS On 12/13/2014 2:03 PM, r miles wrote: > > If you're a serious contester maybe you want the extra DBs. But for DXers, > with any skill you can wrk. what's out there with the K line. > If a bigger amp cabinet was needed. A much larger & heavier one they probably > wouldn't be going on DXpeditions as they are now. Most recent DXpeditions are > exclusively K3s and/or KPAs. I have an average DXer stn. & I've not yet missed > anything. I know the rare call & locations help them but I've not been where I > couldn't copy the DX. > I've had my K line nearly 3 yr.s and I personally wouldn't go back to a tube > amp. Can't tell you how much rare DX I've seen spotted & been there in 15 > seconds & wrkd it. I wouldn't want to sit there waiting a minute or two til > the warm up light goes out on a tube amp. Be 20 or 30 more calling by then. > Probably K line guys.... > > Just my opinion. K9IL > From n6ll at pacbell.net Sat Dec 13 16:50:32 2014 From: n6ll at pacbell.net (Paul Gordon N6LL) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:50:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Receive Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548CB4A8.4060905@pacbell.net> Is your noise blanker on? On 12/13/2014 1:39 PM, Ed G wrote: > Hello, > I am hearing CW signals on both sides of the KS3's passband. Each side > seems to be of equal strength. This is a factory built-KX3; MCU version 2.27 > and DSP version 1.30. I have the VFO noise reduction turned off. I did > recently update the firmware, but I can't be sure the problem was not there > before, although I sure didn't notice it. I did notice it today with all > the 10 M CW activity, but the problem is on all bands; signals. Any others > experiencing this? > --Ed-- > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6ll at arrl.net > From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Dec 13 16:54:12 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:54:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548CA778.9030907@gmail.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548C1BE6.8080402@contesting.com> <73D78095-9E0B-4C58-A3BE-DC23F17D118B@gmail.com> <42959DE4-4318-412A-80C6-5EC82D33E1FF@me.com> <548CA778.9030907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20C49EE8-CCBF-4F93-BBE1-218BB9BC4650@me.com> No, they still exist. Just not functional at this time. I have no idea what it would take to make them functional... That project allowed the development of some very interesting technology that is in use in the KPA500 and maybe a few other places. A lot of the protection mechanisms first saw the light off day there. Because of all the things we learned in that project, the KPA 500 is a far better amp than the predecessors. That was a fun project, oh so long ago. So was developing the KPA500 for that matter. And, as many will attest, the KPA500 is a whole lot of fun to use, especially for this contester. - JackB, W6FB > On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > > Jack, > Did Elecraft destroy the two functional units they had at Dayton? I literally spent hours looking at them at Dayton, and the KPA1500 was running at legal limit output for three days. It was a beauty! > > http://www.n6ie.com/Elecraft.html > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > On 12/13/14, 3:10 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> Hey Vic; >> >> Hope you are enjoying life in Israel. Someday I'd love to visit the country. Strange not having you over here, though. >> >> As for the original KPAs, I can assure you that at this time there are no functional units. There are a lot of wild rumors on the list in this topic, most very much untrue. But, I will also say that the KPA500 contains a close derivative of the firmware from the earlier effort. >> >> And yes, the older units were beasts! Carrying them took a bit of effort! >> >> 73! >> >> JackB, W6FB >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From wes at triconet.org Sat Dec 13 16:52:48 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:52:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> <548C9D6A.1040401@triconet.org> Message-ID: <548CB530.4000106@triconet.org> On 12/13/2014 2:28 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > >> I'm positive that I had everything set as desired. I thought my original post said as much. >> >> The Lock function survives everything, even band changes, which I find curious. Perhaps there is a need for it other than how I use it, which is to lock the A VFO when I use split. > Lock is global because it was intended to keep the VFO from moving while operating mobile. Your application suggests making it per-band/per-memory, which I will add to the list. Understood. Thanks. (Does anyone actually use these mobile?) >> The RX Ant state is not memorized. This is easy to see. Turn on the RX antenna and recall any M1-M4 memory. It will stay on. > RX ANT is stored per-band, not per-memory. This seems like the right choice. Okay. But the manual verbiage says that antenna selection is memorized :-) > > Wayne > N6KR > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 13 16:57:14 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K2 Construction Help In-Reply-To: <548C8D4B.3040503@charter.net> References: <548C8D4B.3040503@charter.net> Message-ID: <548CB63A.4030402@embarqmail.com> Bill, The VFO is not oscillating. Handle the lack of oscillation separately from any consideration for the PLL side of things - in other words, first make it oscillate and then if it is not on the right frequency, that is a different problem to be solved. Start with T5. Look at the leads to see if they were adequately stripped and tinned. You should see a bit of tinned lead on the component side and there should be no ring around the leads on the solder side. If either of those conditions exist, remove T5 and rewind/strip/tin. The other thing to check on T5 is the direction (sense) of both windings - they must both be the same sense if it is to work. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2014 2:02 PM, Bill Robbins wrote: > I bought a partially assembled K2 and am continuing the construction. > > I am at p.63, Alignment and Test, Part II. All is well until I get to > VCO Test. I get no frequency reading. The probe is fine and I get > 4VDC at the test point, TP1. > > All of the obvious has been done.....Solder bridges, missing parts, > etc. But, obviously, I am missing something. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 13 17:04:42 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:04:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <548CB530.4000106@triconet.org> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> <548C9D6A.1040401@triconet.org> <548CB530.4000106@triconet.org> Message-ID: <548CB7FA.9070606@embarqmail.com> Wes, I guess we have to differentiate between the ANT1/2 jacks (which are memorized) and the RX ANT function (which is only a per band setting, and not memorized. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2014 4:52 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > > Okay. But the manual verbiage says that antenna selection is > memorized :-) From k1xx at k1xx.com Sat Dec 13 17:15:25 2014 From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate In-Reply-To: <548CB530.4000106@triconet.org> References: <54828BD0.50800@embarqmail.com> <003301d011ad$0a749010$1f5db030$@co.uk> <54889E1D.50809@triconet.org> <5489D7FA.1040301@triconet.org> <548A2414.7040403@embarqmail.com> <548C9D6A.1040401@triconet.org> <548CB530.4000106@triconet.org> Message-ID: <548CBA7D.6060109@k1xx.com> Yep, sure do. 73 charlie, k1xx > Understood. Thanks. (Does anyone actually use these mobile?) From dezrat at outlook.com Sat Dec 13 17:47:28 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:47:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SignaLink and K3 Message-ID: I am installing a new SignaLink USB device and have it all working fine except for low output from the K3. I can only get about 10 watts out even with the Windows volume controls set as the factory suggests, and with fldigi output set to maximum. The K3 line in gain is also set to max. I know there is a jumper in the SignaLink USB to increase drive but before I do that I'm wondering if what I'm seeing is normal. The SignaLink USB manual says the default drive setting is OK for most radios, so I'm wondering if the K3 is an exception or if I should keep fiddling with the configuration. All comments welcome. 73, Bill W6WRT From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 13 18:04:19 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SignaLink and K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548CC5F3.10306@embarqmail.com> Bill, If you are using the MIC input on the K3, then that statement in the SignaLink document is correct, but if you likely have the SignaLink connected to the K3 LINE IN jack, and the level is too low. Line level is about 5 to 10 times the audio voltage of mic level. Sooo -- Set that jumper for high level audio, then: Put the K3 in TX TEST and set your software application to transmit. Adjust the audio level controls and possibly the K3 LINE IN level so you have 4 bars displayed on the K3 ALC meter with the 5th bar blinking. Leave the audio controls set that way. Adjust the desired power output level with the K3 power control - ignore the advice usually given on the internet and interface help files to set power at max and adjust the audio to achieve the desired power - that will not work well with the K3 (or the K2 and KX3 either). 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2014 5:47 PM, Bill Turner wrote: > I am installing a new SignaLink USB device and have it all working > fine except for low output from the K3. I can only get about 10 watts > out even with the Windows volume controls set as the factory suggests, > and with fldigi output set to maximum. The K3 line in gain is also set > to max. > > I know there is a jumper in the SignaLink USB to increase drive but > before I do that I'm wondering if what I'm seeing is normal. The > SignaLink USB manual says the default drive setting is OK for most > radios, so I'm wondering if the K3 is an exception or if I should keep > fiddling with the configuration. > > From andrewfaber at ymail.com Sat Dec 13 18:14:42 2014 From: andrewfaber at ymail.com (Andy Faber) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:14:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howard, Brilliant! That's it. Thanks. 73, andy ae6y From: Howard Stephenson Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:09 PM To: andrewfaber at ymail.com Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA-500 problem Hi Andy, If you see the * in the KPA display when you put the switch into OPER the KPA is going into the TX state waiting for RF, the TR switch over would attenuate the RX signals. If that is what you are seeing, I would check and make sure that you don't have a short in your PTT or AUX cable. 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:25:10 2014 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:25:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Receive Issue Message-ID: <5B1732B9C01A4BE4BC38399811891D0B@SHACKXPS> Hello, Noise blanker is off. --Ed- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:31:49 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:31:49 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Receive Issue In-Reply-To: <5B1732B9C01A4BE4BC38399811891D0B@SHACKXPS> References: <5B1732B9C01A4BE4BC38399811891D0B@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: <766580A8-2F5C-4221-84E1-5185E9A9A05A@gmail.com> This procedure should resolve it: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/RX%20sideband%20null%20A8.pdf If not, you may have a hardware issue (eg. roofing filter or ribbon cable not seated correctly, or less likely but possibly failed hardware). 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 14 Dec 2014, at 11:25 am, Ed G wrote: > > Hello, > Noise blanker is off. > --Ed- > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Dec 13 20:03:32 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:03:32 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <201412140103.sBE13W28029501@huffman.acsalaska.net> FWIW I am running the AN-762 at 140w using 12v with either the K3 or KX3 with no complaints. It takes only 3.5w drive on 20m. But no longer do you need to run a dozen "pills" (man I hate that term). Here is all you need for 1250w 1.8-600 MHz: The MRFE6VP61K25HR6 1.25KW LDMOS from Freescale at $241.50 from: http://www.communication-concepts.com/mrfe6vp61k25hr6-1-25kw-rf-mosfet/ Or several others. I haven't seen the article in QST but suspect they are using this device. It runs on 50v at under 50A and only requires 3-4w drive for 1200w output. KX3, FT-817, K3/10 all capable of driving it directly. 73, Ed - KL7UW $241.50 compared with the new price of a 8877 is pretty cheap! 73, Ed - KL7UW They don't need to be dirty ... the problem is that it takes so many "pills" to make the power that designers tend to use the 60, 80 or 100W rated transistors right up to their saturated output rather than limit each pair of devices to 50 - 60% of PEP output. For example ... the MRF-421 is rated as a 100W transistor but third order IMD is minimized around 50-55W. An "eight pill" design could make 900W in saturated mode but in order to keep it clean, the output would need to kept to 500 W PEP. This, in spite of the fact than Communications Concepts sells a 2 x MRF-421 board set as a "180 Watt HF amplifier" (Motorola AN-762). 73, ... Joe, W4TV 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Sat Dec 13 20:55:58 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <201412140103.sBE13W28029501@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201412140103.sBE13W28029501@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <548CEE2E.7050400@subich.com> > But no longer do you need to run a dozen "pills" (man I hate that > term). Here is all you need for 1250w 1.8-600 MHz: Unfortunately, the LDMOS device data sheets provide *no* IMD spec's for linear operation. The only data is for CW and pulse service. If one is to extrapolate from similar LDMOS devices (single FET vs. two FETs on a common die), one would need to derate to 800-900 W PEP in order to achieve reasonable IMD levels. That conclusion is further corroborated by the compression spec's (actual vs. ideal output power) which show the onset of output compression above 59 to 60 dBm (59 dBm => ~800W). The devices work at 1200 W CW (or JT65) because those modes are single tone and work with saturated operation (class C amplifiers) where IMD performance is not "tested". At full output these devices would be as dirty in SSB operation as the old FM "brick" amplifiers were when run in SSB service - perhaps like the RMA Italia solid state amps . BTW, since these are 50V parts they are not suited for mobile use at 12V (13.8 V nominal) service. > $241.50 compared with the new price of a 8877 is pretty cheap! To even approach the IMD performance and reliability of an 8877 you would need two devices and the cooling problems (cost of heat sinks, heat spreaders, etc.) are much more difficult with two of these devices than with a single 8877. Any cost advantage for even two of the LDMOS devices over an 8877 will be more than offset by cooling system (in addition to splitter/combiner and protection system) costs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-13 8:03 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > FWIW I am running the AN-762 at 140w using 12v with either the K3 or KX3 > with no complaints. It takes only 3.5w drive on 20m. > > But no longer do you need to run a dozen "pills" (man I hate that > term). Here is all you need for 1250w 1.8-600 MHz: > The > > MRFE6VP61K25HR6 1.25KW LDMOS from Freescale at $241.50 from: > http://www.communication-concepts.com/mrfe6vp61k25hr6-1-25kw-rf-mosfet/ > > Or several others. I haven't seen the article in QST but suspect they > are using this device. It runs on 50v at under 50A and only requires > 3-4w drive for 1200w output. KX3, FT-817, K3/10 all capable of driving > it directly. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > $241.50 compared with the new price of a 8877 is pretty cheap! > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > They don't need to be dirty ... the problem is that it takes so many > "pills" to make the power that designers tend to use the 60, 80 or > 100W rated transistors right up to their saturated output rather than > limit each pair of devices to 50 - 60% of PEP output. For example ... > the MRF-421 is rated as a 100W transistor but third order IMD is > minimized around 50-55W. An "eight pill" design could make 900W in > saturated mode but in order to keep it clean, the output would need to > kept to 500 W PEP. This, in spite of the fact than Communications > Concepts sells a 2 x MRF-421 board set as a "180 Watt HF amplifier" > (Motorola AN-762). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From phils at riousa.com Sat Dec 13 21:30:58 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:30:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: The weekly Elecraft SSB net is tomorrow (12/14/14) at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. We?ll listen for you. Phil, NS7P NCS from Oregon From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 14 00:43:29 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:43:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548C3796.3090305@triconet.org> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com><548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com><548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548BEE71.40908@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548C3796.3090305@triconet.org> Message-ID: <548D2381.1090400@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/13/2014 4:56 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Congratulations, but do you believe that you would have not worked > them with the antenna 30 feet lower? I do believe that -- in 8 years of trying, I did not. This time around, they were just enough above the noise that I made it. Careful modeling predicts 2-3 dB of added low angle gain for that difference in height. http://k9yc.com/VertOrHorizontal-Slides.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 14 00:49:31 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:49:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <548C54CA.8010407@subich.com> References: <548C54CA.8010407@subich.com> Message-ID: <548D24EB.7010707@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/13/2014 7:01 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 2014-12-13 9:31 AM, Dan Baker wrote: >> My feature request is for a 500 W mobile version of the KPA500. > > That's difficult due to the 12V requirement. To do it right using 12V > capable transistors/FETS would take at least two and probably four > amplifier boards similar to the KPA500 with associated splitters and > combiners. If you want something like this, search out a used Ten Tec Hercules II -- this is a fairly good description of it. I've had one for several years. I'm told that it isn't the cleanest amp in the world. 500W, 160M - 10 M. 73, Jim K9YC From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 01:08:05 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:08:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SignaLink and K3 In-Reply-To: <548CC5F3.10306@embarqmail.com> References: <548CC5F3.10306@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <27E42FA8-6438-4188-9060-FE68E4EAFD38@gmail.com> I found a similar situation. My solution was to max the transmit audio (driver) from the SLUSB, the SLUSB RX/TX knobs to noon (room for fine tuning when needed) then adjust the line in level as described by Don. That simplified setup, because there are three controls that essentially do the same time (driver, knob and Lin IN/Mic). You may find that there are some TX audio artifacts (a weak tone in the neighborhood of 2300 Hz), because of poor power supply filtering in the SLUSB. It is noticed in mine when I run remote (voice through the SLUSB), but its VERY low level. It is fixable, I can get you a link to more data if you wish. The simple mods also reduce the audio noise floor for weak signal work (one of my next projects). I further found that running LIN OUT at 001 then adjusting the SLUSB driver to the LEAST amount of usable audio for decodes showed consistently better decodes than beating it to death (or is that deaf) with way too much audio drive. You'll have to play with it to find your station sweet spot. Least is best. You do NOT want the soundcard AGC to swamp (block) from strong signals for modes like PSK (making the weaker stations not decodable). So you have to find the least audio, but give adequate drive to avoid this. Hint: When watching the waterfalls for PSK, if you see 'shadows' on the signal of a station, either they are overdriving on transmit (common issue), or you are overdriving your sound card. 73 es Merry Christmas, Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Dec 13, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bill, > > If you are using the MIC input on the K3, then that statement in the SignaLink document is correct, but if you likely have the SignaLink connected to the K3 LINE IN jack, and the level is too low. Line level is about 5 to 10 times the audio voltage of mic level. Sooo -- > > Set that jumper for high level audio, then: > Put the K3 in TX TEST and set your software application to transmit. > Adjust the audio level controls and possibly the K3 LINE IN level so you have 4 bars displayed on the K3 ALC meter with the 5th bar blinking. Leave the audio controls set that way. > Adjust the desired power output level with the K3 power control - ignore the advice usually given on the internet and interface help files to set power at max and adjust the audio to achieve the desired power - that will not work well with the K3 (or the K2 and KX3 either). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 12/13/2014 5:47 PM, Bill Turner wrote: >> I am installing a new SignaLink USB device and have it all working >> fine except for low output from the K3. I can only get about 10 watts >> out even with the Windows volume controls set as the factory suggests, >> and with fldigi output set to maximum. The K3 line in gain is also set >> to max. >> >> I know there is a jumper in the SignaLink USB to increase drive but >> before I do that I'm wondering if what I'm seeing is normal. The >> SignaLink USB manual says the default drive setting is OK for most >> radios, so I'm wondering if the K3 is an exception or if I should keep >> fiddling with the configuration. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 01:14:20 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:14:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: <572F1DDB-C4ED-45F4-B2EC-8086BC8ED876@tx.rr.com> References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com> <548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com> <09cc01d016e8$59746b50$0c5d41f0$@wjschmidt.com> <572F1DDB-C4ED-45F4-B2EC-8086BC8ED876@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4573AE83-A5D9-4BF8-8294-443729CA0AF2@gmail.com> It would be for those of us that run the station remotely. It's hard to reach the tuning knobs if you aren't there. No tune amps and auto-tuners are perfect for this example. In my belts and suspenders preference, I also can watch the station with Skype video and a web cam, should the tuner need attention (or fault out). Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:27 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > >> >> >> And then there would have to >> be a KAT1500 to go with it. > > Have we completely lost the ability to do anything if a mouse click or one-button push won?t do it for us??? > > :-) > > Grant NQ5T > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Dec 14 04:10:23 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:10:23 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO Message-ID: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> Joe, You are correct that the specs are for pulse and one can run CW/JT65 at this level since there is no IMD produced by a single sine wave. So combining two running 750w each gets you 1500w in linear operation with 2400w dissipation. 1500w mobile!!! Are you serious? I'd guess 200-250w would be adequate for mobile. But I do not do serious HF'ing. Your issue with heat sinks and copper spreaders is already solved and one can run simple fans instead of blowers. And combining two devices is more complicated than combining 8 or 16? Huh? If you think this is all theoretical you are mistaken as these are out there as kits and assembled amps on VHF to 1296. Several companies have them for sale (M2 is one). The kits come with the LDMOS already installed on a copper spreader designed for the needed heat conduction. They haven't hit the HF market as yet but no reason why not (be interesting to re-examine this topic in dec. 2015). I sure would consider a 50v PS a lot simpler and safer than a 4kV PS. In fact I have one that I bought on e-bay for $31 made by HP (it will run my 1100w 6m PA). I also have a HB 4kV - 1.5A PS for my 8877...cost me a lot more than $31. Once I use up my current 8877, I will likely sell my amp with the final 8877 "pull" that I have in hand and replace it with a LDMOS amp since I can install it next to the base off my tower instead of having it inside with all the noise and HV. Then I can haul the 1-5/8 inch Hardline to the metal recycle'r as I will only need to run RG213 to the amp with 4w. Yes, 240vac will be needed but running that is not rocket science as every home well pump is wired with buried 240vac. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <548CEE2E.7050400 at subich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > But no longer do you need to run a dozen "pills" (man I hate that > term). Here is all you need for 1250w 1.8-600 MHz: Unfortunately, the LDMOS device data sheets provide *no* IMD spec's for linear operation. The only data is for CW and pulse service. If one is to extrapolate from similar LDMOS devices (single FET vs. two FETs on a common die), one would need to derate to 800-900 W PEP in order to achieve reasonable IMD levels. That conclusion is further corroborated by the compression spec's (actual vs. ideal output power) which show the onset of output compression above 59 to 60 dBm (59 dBm => ~800W). The devices work at 1200 W CW (or JT65) because those modes are single tone and work with saturated operation (class C amplifiers) where IMD performance is not "tested". At full output these devices would be as dirty in SSB operation as the old FM "brick" amplifiers were when run in SSB service - perhaps like the RMA Italia solid state amps . BTW, since these are 50V parts they are not suited for mobile use at 12V (13.8 V nominal) service. > $241.50 compared with the new price of a 8877 is pretty cheap! To even approach the IMD performance and reliability of an 8877 you would need two devices and the cooling problems (cost of heat sinks, heat spreaders, etc.) are much more difficult with two of these devices than with a single 8877. Any cost advantage for even two of the LDMOS devices over an 8877 will be more than offset by cooling system (in addition to splitter/combiner and protection system) costs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From wes at triconet.org Sun Dec 14 07:54:15 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 05:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <548D8877.9070402@triconet.org> On 12/14/2014 2:10 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > 1500w mobile!!! Are you serious? I'd guess 200-250w would be adequate for > mobile. But I do not do serious HF'ing. > When you get serious, here's how to do it. My Elmer, W7UVR, ran a high level modulated 4-1000A mobile in the 1950s. Later went to SSB and a 15KW generator in a bigger trailer. The one in the photo (trailer) was "only" 5KW. The whip antennas had motor-tuned matching networks with vacuum variables and edge-wound inductors. The beam was later replaced with a tribander, diced up with machined tubular hinges built by a tool-maker ham friend. http://www.k0bg.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1039 http://www.k0bg.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1042 http://www.k0bg.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1045 Wes N7WS From wes at triconet.org Sun Dec 14 08:34:05 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 06:34:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500? In-Reply-To: References: <1493928617.672937.1418429869348.JavaMail.root@md15.quartz.synacor.com><548B8F3F.6010503@rthorne.net> <548BA97A.6080200@wi.rr.com><548BDABE.4090902@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <548D91CD.4060807@triconet.org> I just used a step attenuator to do a crude check on my K3. Throwing in a few dB to "match" the 160-meter dipole on the BC band, and tuning in an S9+40 dB signal, switching in 40 dB attenuation in two 20 dB steps shows, within reading accuracy S9+20 and S9 respectively. Using my XG2 on 20-meters with full output at S9 (cal point) adding 6 dB attenuation at a time shows one S-unit steps down to about S4 or so. Wes N7WS On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Jim Brown wrote: Several comments. First, while the "official" definition of an S-unit is 6dB, one S-unit on most receivers is more like 3-4 dB. While I haven't done a linearity test on the K3 S-meter, I suspect it's a bit better. From stewart at gm4aff.net Sun Dec 14 09:52:34 2014 From: stewart at gm4aff.net (Stewart GM4AFF) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:52:34 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive Message-ID: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net> I have an intermittent problem with my XV144 (driven by a K3). On transmit I can see power output on the LEDs (3 greens) even when there is no audio input and the transverter is getting quite hot. Stations tell me my signal sounds fine with no background noise. So it's generating RF somewhere else! Also, more seriously, occasionally, when I return to receive after transmitting, the transverter LEDs all illuminate, I lose receive sensitivity almost completely, although I can still barely hear louder signals. The transverter won't transmit unless I switch off and on the K3 and the XV144. This occurs more often as the transverter heats up. I can't tell whether the first problem relates to the second or vice versa. The second problem was the first to occur and happened on a previous XV144 I owned, so it's not just a one-off. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks! Stewart GM4AFF From lists at subich.com Sun Dec 14 10:12:25 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <548DA8D9.1050604@subich.com> > Your issue with heat sinks and copper spreaders is already solved > and one can run simple fans instead of blowers. And combining two > devices is more complicated than combining 8 or 16? Huh? I'm not saying it isn't possible - nor that is hasn't been solved. Only that is it not less expensive than an 8877 and that those who say a single 1.25 KW LDMOS is a suitable replacement for an 8877 are not considering other performance issues like IMD, etc. The multiple module with combiner configurations have been around for a long time. The LDMOS modules were designed for television broadcast service in addition to ISM purposes. The broadcaster transmitters use a large number of combined modules to reach quite high power levels but each module is running less than 1 KW and the transmitters have significant amounts of adaptive precorrection to maintain linearity. If you want to step back and design precorrection capability into the transceiver DSP (e.g., an input for a directional coupler/RF tap at the output of the *system*) and can maintain linearity of multiple modules "close enough" to use a single composite correction, be my guest. However, the cost and complexity are an order of magnitude greater than a good cathode driven triode - but then if you add phase modulation to the precorrection, perhaps you can get away saturated (pulse) amplifiers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-14 4:10 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Joe, > > You are correct that the specs are for pulse and one can run CW/JT65 at > this level since there is no IMD produced by a single sine wave. So > combining two running 750w each gets you 1500w in linear operation with > 2400w dissipation. > > 1500w mobile!!! Are you serious? I'd guess 200-250w would be adequate > for mobile. But I do not do serious HF'ing. > > Your issue with heat sinks and copper spreaders is already solved and > one can run simple fans instead of blowers. And combining two devices > is more complicated than combining 8 or 16? Huh? If you think this is > all theoretical you are mistaken as these are out there as kits and > assembled amps on VHF to 1296. Several companies have them for sale (M2 > is one). The kits come with the LDMOS already installed on a copper > spreader designed for the needed heat conduction. They haven't hit the > HF market as yet but no reason why not (be interesting to re-examine > this topic in dec. 2015). > > I sure would consider a 50v PS a lot simpler and safer than a 4kV PS. > In fact I have one that I bought on e-bay for $31 made by HP (it will > run my 1100w 6m PA). I also have a HB 4kV - 1.5A PS for my 8877...cost > me a lot more than $31. > > Once I use up my current 8877, I will likely sell my amp with the final > 8877 "pull" that I have in hand and replace it with a LDMOS amp since I > can install it next to the base off my tower instead of having it inside > with all the noise and HV. Then I can haul the 1-5/8 inch Hardline to > the metal recycle'r as I will only need to run RG213 to the amp with > 4w. Yes, 240vac will be needed but running that is not rocket science > as every home well pump is wired with buried 240vac. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (no subject) > Message-ID: <548CEE2E.7050400 at subich.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > But no longer do you need to run a dozen "pills" (man I hate that > > term). Here is all you need for 1250w 1.8-600 MHz: > > Unfortunately, the LDMOS device data sheets provide *no* IMD spec's > for linear operation. The only data is for CW and pulse service. If > one is to extrapolate from similar LDMOS devices (single FET vs. two > FETs on a common die), one would need to derate to 800-900 W PEP in > order to achieve reasonable IMD levels. That conclusion is further > corroborated by the compression spec's (actual vs. ideal output power) > which show the onset of output compression above 59 to 60 dBm (59 dBm > => ~800W). > > The devices work at 1200 W CW (or JT65) because those modes are single > tone and work with saturated operation (class C amplifiers) where IMD > performance is not "tested". > > At full output these devices would be as dirty in SSB operation as the > old FM "brick" amplifiers were when run in SSB service - perhaps like > the RMA Italia solid state amps . > > BTW, since these are 50V parts they are not suited for mobile use at > 12V (13.8 V nominal) service. > > > $241.50 compared with the new price of a 8877 is pretty cheap! > > To even approach the IMD performance and reliability of an 8877 you > would need two devices and the cooling problems (cost of heat sinks, > heat spreaders, etc.) are much more difficult with two of these devices > than with a single 8877. Any cost advantage for even two of the LDMOS > devices over an 8877 will be more than offset by cooling system (in > addition to splitter/combiner and protection system) costs. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Dec 14 10:41:49 2014 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:41:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> W6PQL has designed and built a 1KW SSPA for 1.8-54MHz using an LDMOS device. Freescale I think. he has also designed a pretty stout Low Pass filter designed for 1.5KW 1.8-54 MHz. He can get 1.2KW out of it at saturation with 2-3 W drive. A pair of these devices @ 750W could do 1500W all day any mode. but then the power supply becomes the limiting factor.. 50V at 70amps? http://www.w6pql.com/1_kw_sspa_for_1_8-54_mhz.htm -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From myronschaffer at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 10:53:24 2014 From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <5524275A-B2D7-4A9D-86BF-D0E9F1BC0300@gmail.com> Soon GaN will hold possibilities. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Dec 14, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Kevin Stover wrote: > > W6PQL has designed and built a 1KW SSPA for 1.8-54MHz using an LDMOS device. Freescale I think. > he has also designed a pretty stout Low Pass filter designed for 1.5KW 1.8-54 MHz. > He can get 1.2KW out of it at saturation with 2-3 W drive. > A pair of these devices @ 750W could do 1500W all day any mode. but then the power supply becomes the limiting factor.. 50V at 70amps? > > http://www.w6pql.com/1_kw_sspa_for_1_8-54_mhz.htm > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to myronschaffer at gmail.com From w7lkg at comcast.net Sun Dec 14 13:17:35 2014 From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Outstanding Service Message-ID: <001601d017ca$3cbe9520$b63bbf60$@net> To Everyone at Elecraft, First, Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year. Elecraft, by far, has to have the greatest customer service anywhere. Put in my order for a K1, 2 band kit, plus a 2nd 2 band board, and all the extra sub-assemblies. Did that last Friday 12/12/14 morning at 0800 PDT. With USPS priority mail, the box was on my doorstep this morning, Sunday 12/14/14. Is that fast enough, or what. Getting ready for QRP. Already have the K3, P3, and KPA500. This weekend I trained for QRP. Turned off the KPA500, took the K3 down to 5W, and have made 150 contacts (S&P) so far. South Africa, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, to mention a few on 5W. Not too bad. But then the 5W is being fed to a SteppIR DB-18, which helps. Have to start working QRP I guess. At 78+ I just had a new aortic valve put in, and am a candidate for an implanted Cardio defibulator. From what I have seen, those units don't like a lot of high power RF around, and my rig is only an arms length away. Anyone have any experience with Cardio stuff and RF. Reply off reflector if you would please. I don't want to start another chain reaction. Now I have a decision to make. Do I go back to the 10 meter contest, or open the Elecraft box. At 150 Q's, I'm thinking the box. Parts sorting is, to me anyway, one of the fun things to building kits. Thanks again Elecraft, New life and new radio. Can't get much better. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year again to All. 73, Rick, W7LKG From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Dec 14 13:19:44 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: changing modes changes the frequency? Message-ID: <0NGL004PN48YQ850@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> Hi In comparing two k3s I am seeing completely different behaviour of the vfo a when modes are changed. If for example on one radio I am tuned in to wwv 10mhz, using am,? the frequency on the radio shows 10.000.000 as it should. If I then change to cw, the radio all of a sudden reads 10.000.680. The other radio does not do this it stays at 10.000.000. Which menu option governs this? Can't find it! Thanks,? Tom From kevinr at coho.net Sun Dec 14 13:24:08 2014 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:24:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <548DD5C8.1060209@coho.net> Good Day, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From lists at subich.com Sun Dec 14 13:34:44 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:34:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: changing modes changes the frequency? In-Reply-To: <0NGL004PN48YQ850@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NGL004PN48YQ850@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <548DD844.80709@subich.com> The Owner's Manual is your friend ... Search for Offset - page 29: > SSB/CW VFO Offset > The K3 can automatically offset the VFO frequency when you switch > from SSB to CW mode, so other stations will hear the correct CW > pitch. See CONFIG:CW WGHT for details. and (page 55): CW WGHT 1.15 Adjusts element/space timing ratio (weight) for the internal keyer. Additional functions of this menu entry, via numeric keypad (Advanced): Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows CW in SSB modes). Tap 2 to select @ = STOP (?@? character terminates KY-packet transmission; default) or @ = ?AC? (?@? in a KY packet is sent as .--.-. [@] in CW mode). Tap 3 to select OLD or NEW QSK (default). NEW reduces AF keying artifacts. Tap 4 to select VOX NOR (default) or AUTO OFF. The AUTO OFF setting turns CW VOX off on power-up, avoiding accidental keying by attached PCs, etc. Tap 5 to select automatic VFO offset on SSB/CW mode change (VFO OFS) or no offset (VFO NOR, default). Automatic offset is often used on 6 meters, where mixed-mode QSOs are necessary during fading. Note: Pitch matching will be more accurate if USB is paired with CW REV, and LSB with CW normal. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-14 1:19 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > Hi > In comparing two k3s I am seeing completely different behaviour of the vfo a when modes are changed. > If for example on one radio I am tuned in to wwv 10mhz, using am, the frequency on the radio shows 10.000.000 as it should. If I then change to cw, the radio all of a sudden reads 10.000.680. > The other radio does not do this it stays at 10.000.000. > Which menu option governs this? > Can't find it! > Thanks, Tom > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Dec 14 13:39:35 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:39:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: changing modes changes the frequency? Message-ID: <0NGL0034V561T560@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Hi Yes but it wasn't friendly today. I looked but I guess I overlooked this. Thanks, Tom On Dec 14, 2014 1:34 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > > The Owner's Manual is your friend ... > > Search for Offset - page 29: > > > SSB/CW VFO Offset > > The K3 can automatically offset the VFO frequency when you switch > > from SSB to CW mode, so other stations will hear the correct CW > > pitch. See CONFIG:CW WGHT for details. > > and (page 55): > > CW WGHT 1.15 Adjusts element/space timing ratio (weight) for the > ????????????? internal keyer. > ????????????? Additional functions of this menu entry, via numeric > ????????????? keypad (Advanced): > ????????????? Tap 1 to select SSB -CW (default) or SSB +CW (allows > ????????????????? CW in SSB modes). > ????????????? Tap 2 to select @ = STOP (?@? character terminates > ????????????????? KY-packet transmission; default) or @ = ?AC? (?@? > ????????????????? in a KY packet is sent as .--.-. [@] in CW mode). > ????????????? Tap 3 to select OLD or NEW QSK (default). NEW reduces > ????????????????? AF keying artifacts. > ????????????? Tap 4 to select VOX NOR (default) or AUTO OFF. The AUTO > ????????????????? OFF setting turns CW VOX off on power-up, avoiding > ????????????????? accidental keying by attached PCs, etc. > ????????????? Tap 5 to select automatic VFO offset on SSB/CW mode > ????????????????? change (VFO OFS) or no offset (VFO NOR, default). > ?????????? Automatic offset is often used on 6 meters, where > ?????????? mixed-mode QSOs are necessary during fading. Note: Pitch > ?????????? matching will be more accurate if USB is paired with CW REV, > ?????????? and LSB with CW normal. > > 73, > > ??? ... Joe, W4TV > > On 2014-12-14 1:19 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > > Hi > > In comparing two k3s I am seeing completely different behaviour of the vfo a when modes are changed. > > If for example on one radio I am tuned in to wwv 10mhz, using am,? the frequency on the radio shows 10.000.000 as it should. If I then change to cw, the radio all of a sudden reads 10.000.680. > > The other radio does not do this it stays at 10.000.000. > > Which menu option governs this? > > Can't find it! > > Thanks,? Tom > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 14 14:19:58 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive In-Reply-To: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net> References: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net> Message-ID: <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com> Stewart, What input level do you have the XV144 set for? The 1mW level from the KXV3 or the high power input from the K3 ANT1 or ANT2 jacks? It is important that I know before I can venture a reasonable guess. Are you using the Elecraft transverter cable to operate the XV144, or do you have it configured for non-Elecraft and keying it with the PTT line (you should have one or the other, but not both). See the XVnnn Owner's Manual. One thing you can do is see if the XV144 is staying in transmit when it should be switching back to receive. When in receive, what is the voltage at the cathode of D4 - this is the 12T signal and should be zero during receive. The "all flashing LEDs" condition is an indication of an overload condition or getting RF input while the XV144 is still in receive. If you are using the 1 mW RF input, it should never trigger that condition. There are some XVnnn transverters that falsely detect an overload condition. That is due to noise on the COR detection line. An easy cure for that is to remove the front panel metalwork and solder a 0.1uf capacitor between the collector and emitter of Front Panel Q7. It can easily be added to the solder side of Q7 without removing the front panel board. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/14/2014 9:52 AM, Stewart GM4AFF wrote: > I have an intermittent problem with my XV144 (driven by a K3). On transmit I > can see power output on the LEDs (3 greens) even when there is no audio > input and the transverter is getting quite hot. Stations tell me my signal > sounds fine with no background noise. So it's generating RF somewhere else! > > > > Also, more seriously, occasionally, when I return to receive after > transmitting, the transverter LEDs all illuminate, I lose receive > sensitivity almost completely, although I can still barely hear louder > signals. The transverter won't transmit unless I switch off and on the K3 > and the XV144. This occurs more often as the transverter heats up. > > From stewart at gm4aff.net Sun Dec 14 14:30:10 2014 From: stewart at gm4aff.net (Stewart GM4AFF) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:30:10 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive In-Reply-To: <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com> References: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net> <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <003a01d017d4$6009e070$201da150$@gm4aff.net> Hi Don, Input set to 1mW and using a K3 with a proper cable. When I switch back to receive the XV144 always switches back to receive - like I said, I can still hear louder stations. This doesn't mean that something on the board isn't continuing to emit some kind of RF though. The LEDs don't flash, they just illuminate and stay that way until I switch off the 12v DC power. I received another reply off-list from someone with a similar problem who suggested contacting Elecraft for a fix. 73 Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: 14 December 2014 19:20 To: Stewart GM4AFF; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive Stewart, What input level do you have the XV144 set for? The 1mW level from the KXV3 or the high power input from the K3 ANT1 or ANT2 jacks? It is important that I know before I can venture a reasonable guess. Are you using the Elecraft transverter cable to operate the XV144, or do you have it configured for non-Elecraft and keying it with the PTT line (you should have one or the other, but not both). See the XVnnn Owner's Manual. One thing you can do is see if the XV144 is staying in transmit when it should be switching back to receive. When in receive, what is the voltage at the cathode of D4 - this is the 12T signal and should be zero during receive. The "all flashing LEDs" condition is an indication of an overload condition or getting RF input while the XV144 is still in receive. If you are using the 1 mW RF input, it should never trigger that condition. There are some XVnnn transverters that falsely detect an overload condition. That is due to noise on the COR detection line. An easy cure for that is to remove the front panel metalwork and solder a 0.1uf capacitor between the collector and emitter of Front Panel Q7. It can easily be added to the solder side of Q7 without removing the front panel board. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/14/2014 9:52 AM, Stewart GM4AFF wrote: > I have an intermittent problem with my XV144 (driven by a K3). On > transmit I can see power output on the LEDs (3 greens) even when there > is no audio input and the transverter is getting quite hot. Stations > tell me my signal sounds fine with no background noise. So it's generating RF somewhere else! > > > > Also, more seriously, occasionally, when I return to receive after > transmitting, the transverter LEDs all illuminate, I lose receive > sensitivity almost completely, although I can still barely hear louder > signals. The transverter won't transmit unless I switch off and on the > K3 and the XV144. This occurs more often as the transverter heats up. > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8734 - Release Date: 12/14/14 From no9e at arrl.net Sun Dec 14 15:32:30 2014 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:32:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1418589150416-7595970.post@n2.nabble.com> Kevin Stover wrote > W6PQL .... > A pair of these devices @ 750W could do 1500W all day any mode. but then > the power supply becomes the limiting factor.. 50V at 70amps? Expert 2k-fa uses a commercial 50v 60A (more peak) PS that weights perhaps 5 lb and is pretty small. Costs $500 in single quantities. Running 1.5KW in contests, the Expert heats the room much less than TT Centurion. For 2m SSB the Freescale device has decent IMD at 900W (and 50% efficiency) and indecent IMD but some 70% efficiency at 1.3 KW. With pre distortion (which every SDR will have soon) perhaps one can get IMD of -50 db at 1.3 KW. At HF the issue is of multi band efficient matching. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/LDMOS-for-QRO-tp7595956p7595970.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 16:18:19 2014 From: bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com (Bruce Chadbourne) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:18:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current Message-ID: To the list: I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR is too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU which confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? -- Bruce KE1CY From dew9sdx at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 16:44:36 2014 From: dew9sdx at gmail.com (deW9SDX) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:44:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Package For Sale Message-ID: KX3 package for sale My KX3 package has the following included: MH3 mic, KXFL3 passband filter, KXPD3 keyer, KXAT3 auto tuner, KX3PCKT cable set, and KXBC3 NiMH charger/clock. There is also a Piglet (which provides for control and software logging) and its KX3 cable; a Nifty KX3 mini manual and their KX3 stand; plus BNC RA adapter. This is a package-only for sale in total to a licensed U.S. ham. The price is $899 shipped (HI, AK add $50), a $700+ savings. Everything is in excellent physical and operational condition. (My KXPA100 amp, tuner, and cable are available to the buyer as a $650 option.) For more information, email me at: deW9SDX (at) gmail (dot) com. Greg Lamb, W9SDX From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 14 18:32:48 2014 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:32:48 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates have been around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much better solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air could ever and enable higher reliability. Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in your shack. 73 David G3UNA From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 14 18:49:06 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> References: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> Message-ID: <928136207.137551.1418600946553.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10791.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Good point David, I have seen an industrial RF amplifier heat sink made out of a 1/4 " copper plate married to a aluminum water cooled plate.? Ran on a simple 120 VAC pump to a 5 gal tank, like my 5KW Bird water cooled dummy load that uses a total water waste system does the same dissipation.? As I remember, many years ago, it was rated at removing 5KW of heat.? I know should have the BTU but I don't remember.?? Mel, K6KBE From: David Cutter To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid cooling for this modest application.? Semiconductor cold plates have been around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much better solution than forced air cooling.? They are compact, quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air could ever and enable higher reliability. Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power supply on a short 4-pass plate.? Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in your shack. 73 David G3UNA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 14 18:54:13 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:54:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <928136207.137551.1418600946553.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10791.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <928136207.137551.1418600946553.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10791.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are 3,413 btu per KW HR consumed. Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote...I know should have the BTU but I don't remember. Nick N1KMP From dew9sdx at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 19:12:28 2014 From: dew9sdx at gmail.com (deW9SDX) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:12:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Package sold... Message-ID: My KX3 Package has been sold. Thanks for those who expressed an interest in it. The buyer now has first refusal right for KXPA amp and tuner. If he choses not to buy it, I will notify those who expressed an interest in it. 73, Greg Lamb, W9SDX From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Dec 14 19:14:35 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D Printed KX3 stand Message-ID: Before I sit down and design on, has anyone already designed a 3D printed stand yet that they wouldn't mind sharing so I can print one? Mike va3mw From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 14 20:43:21 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 01:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <928136207.137551.1418600946553.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10791.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <928136207.137551.1418600946553.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10791.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1018358049.135463.1418607801721.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10601g.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Water cooling is OK for QRP. ?A friend of mine was building a "special" contest amplifier. ?He was working out the cooling which presented a problem because of the heat involved. ?I suggested using an upright type freezer and put amp in the freezer, ?It worked great!! George, fritkin On Sunday, December 14, 2014 3:55 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: Good point David, I have seen an industrial RF amplifier heat sink made out of a 1/4 " copper plate married to a aluminum water cooled plate.? Ran on a simple 120 VAC pump to a 5 gal tank, like my 5KW Bird water cooled dummy load that uses a total water waste system does the same dissipation.? As I remember, many years ago, it was rated at removing 5KW of heat.? I know should have the BTU but I don't remember.?? Mel, K6KBE ? ? ? From: David Cutter To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] ? I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid cooling for this modest application.? Semiconductor cold plates have been around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much better solution than forced air cooling.? They are compact, quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air could ever and enable higher reliability. Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power supply on a short 4-pass plate.? Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in your shack. 73 David G3UNA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Dec 14 20:58:46 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:58:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 3D Printed KX3 stand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1418608726053-7595979.post@n2.nabble.com> Looks like you will be designing one. Hope you will share. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/3D-Printed-KX3-stand-tp7595977p7595979.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Dec 14 21:13:45 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:13:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D Printed KX3 stand In-Reply-To: <1418608726053-7595979.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418608726053-7595979.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: If I do, I will post it on Thingiverse. Mike va3mw On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > Looks like you will be designing one. Hope you will share. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/3D-Printed-KX3-stand-tp7595977p7595979.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 14 22:39:49 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:39:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D Printed KX3 stand In-Reply-To: References: <1418608726053-7595979.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I just made mine in the ole woodshop to carry the KX3 and PX3 together. Its about an inch and a half higher off the desk and fairly upright to make it feel like a single radio. Its oak so it pretty heavy and I put some grip pad on the bottom to keep it from moving around the desk with key presses and vigorous tuning. My next job is to make a wood cradle to hold the 100 watt amp behind it. George NE2I On Dec 14, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > If I do, I will post it on Thingiverse. > > Mike va3mw > > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: >> >> Looks like you will be designing one. Hope you will share. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/3D-Printed-KX3-stand-tp7595977p7595979.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ne2i at yahoo.com From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From wa8jxm at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 23:56:09 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> References: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Message-ID: <788C2FFD-E8A8-4311-BCBF-D652DAE889C6@gmail.com> Same here, usually with the tuner showing an SWR of 1.2 or so. This never happened in the past, I wonder if it is related to a software update? I have to cut the power back, usually under 60 watts for it to go away. Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 14, 2014, at 10:56 PM, KD7YZ wrote: > > Bruce tapped out: > >> I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my >> power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which >> confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. > . > fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 > as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when > the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 00:23:15 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:23:15 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> Maybe there is not enough voltage at the power input to the radio ? possibly due to high resistance at your power connections or in your fuse holders? 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 15 Dec 2014, at 8:18 am, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > > To the list: > > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR is > too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. > So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? > > -- > Bruce KE1CY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Dec 15 03:30:09 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:30:09 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO Message-ID: <201412150830.sBF8U95r068959@denali.acsalaska.net> OK. My reason for mentioning these amps was to answer some of the negative points being made in regard to a fictitious KPA1500. These days one does not have to combine a lot of lower power FETs to reach QRO. I gave you a link to the device which is made by Freescale. There are comparable devices made by NXP. I replied to the argument that one can not run them linear at 1200w. To quote myself: "So combining two running 750w each gets you 1500w in linear operation with 2400w dissipation." Most RF transistors will not be linear if driven into saturation so one backs off on the drive and resultant output to improve linearity. Heat dissipation is taken care of by using copper heat spreaders under the transistors coming from all these suppliers unless you buy the LDMOS directly (W6PQL uses a 3x5x1/2 inch copper spreader). I would suggest either the amp kits or buying assembled amp pallets to build with. Price: two LDMOS would run roughly $500. I new 8877 from RFParts is $1450 (Eimac) or $665 (Taylor). Of course you can purchase a used 8877 in the $350-450 range. The HVPS will run about $500 and you probably would have another $400 in materials to complete a basic HF amp with manual tuning (total= $2350 (Eimac) to $1250 (used 8877)). W6PQL is offering an assembled single LDMOS amp for $825 so two would run $1650 and probably another $400 to make a complete 1500w SSB HF amp. Surplus HP Blade 50v -50A PS run $30-50 on e-bay. To run two LDMOS you just have two 50vv PS supplying each separately. Total= $2150. If you build your own you can save a little off this total - W6PQL kit is $563 which includes the NXP BLF-188XR. http://www.w6pql.com/parts_i_can_provide.htm est. total 2x$563+$400+$100 = $1625 No point belaboring this as there are going to be some amps showing up this coming year using these LDMOS devices. ----------------- From: Kevin Stover To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO Message-ID: <548DAFBD.7000800 at mediacombb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed W6PQL has designed and built a 1KW SSPA for 1.8-54MHz using an LDMOS device. Freescale I think. he has also designed a pretty stout Low Pass filter designed for 1.5KW 1.8-54 MHz. He can get 1.2KW out of it at saturation with 2-3 W drive. A pair of these devices @ 750W could do 1500W all day any mode. but then the power supply becomes the limiting factor.. 50V at 70amps? http://www.w6pql.com/1_kw_sspa_for_1_8-54_mhz.htm 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Mon Dec 15 04:58:51 2014 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive In-Reply-To: <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com> References: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net> <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Magic! I have just read your advice to Stewart GM4AFF and recognised a phenomenon I have been getting with my XV144 for years. I had assumed that the flashing LEDs were due to my fault in overdriving. I have just added a 0.1 across E & C of Q7 and that has cured the problem. I must now do the same with my XV70. Am I to assume that this mod has now been incorporated in new XV--- kits? I am ever thankful to you, Don, for your valuable contribution to the reflector. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Don Wilhelm writes >There are some XVnnn transverters that falsely detect an overload >condition. That is due to noise on the COR detection line. An easy >cure for that is to remove the front panel metalwork and solder a 0.1uf >capacitor between the collector and emitter of Front Panel Q7. It can >easily be added to the solder side of Q7 without removing the front >panel board. -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From dave at davesergeant.com Mon Dec 15 05:14:07 2014 From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:14:07 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAF2 faulty In-Reply-To: <548583E1.3956.F777C3@dave.davesergeant.com> References: <5483277B.20051.2158502@dave.davesergeant.com>, <548583E1.3956.F777C3@dave.davesergeant.com> Message-ID: <548EB46F.12552.CCD74F@dave.davesergeant.com> And to confirm that replacing U4 78L06 got the KAF2 working again. A mystery why it failed though... 73 Dave G3YMC On 8 Dec 2014 at 10:56, Dave Sergeant wrote: > Further investigation shows the output of U4 78L06 regulator to be down > to 1V. So it appears the 78L06 has failed and once I have found one I > will change it. > > Thanks for the help. > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > On 6 Dec 2014 at 15:57, Dave Sergeant wrote: > > > My KAF2 has been working fine in my K2 for some years, not that I > > actually use it that much. Today I came into the shack to find no > > audio coming out of the K2 and when I tried to change the AFIL > > settings it said 'not installed'. I cannot change the RTC menu > > settings either. > > > > I have moved S1 on the KAF2 to bypass it and all is working fine so it > > seems there is a fault on the KAF2. The manual suggests this is a > > fault with the microcontroller, which of course it may well be, but > > are there any other known causes? I did think of the backup battery > > but not sure if this would cause issues outside the RTC, it measures > > just over 3V so a bit down. > > > http://davesergeant.com From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 05:17:53 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:17:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? Message-ID: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> Here is my somewhat off-topic question for today: I have an R8 vertical, which does its bandswitching with a combination of stubs and traps. The other day I was transmitting CW on 40M with about 1200 watts and a normal SWR of less than 1.5:1. Suddenly the SWR went sky-high. Now the antenna doesn't work on 7 and 10 MHz, although it is fine on the higher bands. It looks to me like I blew the 30M trap. So: 1. Do you folks think this is a correct diagnosis? I will have to take the antenna down to be sure, and that won't be fun since it is on top of a 10-story building. 2. I have heard of this happening with the R8, although it is rated at 1500W CW according to the manual. But I always thought the people it happened to were operating at high SWRs. Maybe these are 1500 MFJ watts, which, as everyone knows, are smaller than regular watts. Has anyone had a similar experience? 3. Should I have bought a KPA500 which wouldn't stress the antenna as much? :-) -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From dave at davesergeant.com Mon Dec 15 05:21:35 2014 From: dave at davesergeant.com (Dave Sergeant) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:21:35 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive In-Reply-To: References: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net>, <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com>, Message-ID: <548EB62F.7424.D3ABEC@dave.davesergeant.com> Not in my XV50 built a couple of months ago.... Note that there is already a 0.01uF across the source of the CO line, C71 on the RF board (the signal is confusingly called OD on that board). I did see the flashing lights once while I was aligning it but have not used the transverter in vengeance yet so time will tell whether I have this issue. 73 Dave G3YMC On 15 Dec 2014 at 9:58, David G4DMP wrote: > Magic! I have just read your advice to Stewart GM4AFF and recognised a > phenomenon I have been getting with my XV144 for years. I had assumed > that the flashing LEDs were due to my fault in overdriving. > > I have just added a 0.1 across E & C of Q7 and that has cured the > problem. I must now do the same with my XV70. > > Am I to assume that this mod has now been incorporated in new XV--- > kits? > http://davesergeant.com From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Dec 14 22:56:38 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Bruce tapped out: > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. ........ I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. . fwiw, my K3 is doing this quite often lately. I see it thru the KAT500 as well as the Palstar-AT-2K. Occasional, sometimes several in a row, when the VSWR is 1.5:1 or less -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Mon Dec 15 05:54:01 2014 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ Bob) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:54:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> References: <8610013609.20141214225638@denstarfarm.us> Message-ID: <1452527220.20141215055401@denstarfarm.us> KD7YZ tapped out: I see my email-er somehow sent and resent the reply. no idea why, however, I apologize for the hassle. -- 73 KD7YZ Bob From gerryleary99 at icloud.com Mon Dec 15 07:23:03 2014 From: gerryleary99 at icloud.com (Gerry leary) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1000 1500 In-Reply-To: <548CB357.5010104@triconet.org> References: <78cbc955.bd92c.14a45770d89.Webtop.48@charter.net> <548CB357.5010104@triconet.org> Message-ID: <614BF14C-5659-449E-A97E-5ACEC2B9CF1D@icloud.com> I have one of those STC amplifiers and it works very well. I have never looked at harmonics distortion or other factors in it but it regularly used to give me about 12 GB signal increase with my ICOM 7000. I don't use it for the KP a 100 yet with my KX3, because I have had too much fun at the queue RP.level. I am sorry for the strange sounding sentences, I am using iPhone with Siri to create this message. Sent from my iPhone this time > On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > > A couple of things. > > The K1N, Navassa DXpedition, (according to QST's "How's DX" will use SGC-500 amps, despite having Elecraft as a sponsor. (I'm not sure SGC amps are available, but that's another story). > > Amps using 3-500s are essentially instant-on. > > Just for the record, I retired an L-4B and replaced it with a KPA500/KAT500. I do miss the 3 dB, but the "no tune" is nice, although I'm not overjoyed with the tuner and when planned antenna changes are complete, may remove it. > > Wes N7WS > >> On 12/13/2014 2:03 PM, r miles wrote: >> >> If you're a serious contester maybe you want the extra DBs. But for DXers, with any skill you can wrk. what's out there with the K line. >> If a bigger amp cabinet was needed. A much larger & heavier one they probably wouldn't be going on DXpeditions as they are now. Most recent DXpeditions are exclusively K3s and/or KPAs. I have an average DXer stn. & I've not yet missed anything. I know the rare call & locations help them but I've not been where I couldn't copy the DX. >> I've had my K line nearly 3 yr.s and I personally wouldn't go back to a tube amp. Can't tell you how much rare DX I've seen spotted & been there in 15 seconds & wrkd it. I wouldn't want to sit there waiting a minute or two til the warm up light goes out on a tube amp. Be 20 or 30 more calling by then. Probably K line guys.... >> >> Just my opinion. K9IL >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerryleary99 at me.com From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Mon Dec 15 07:55:26 2014 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:55:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <548EDA3E.8050004@david-woolley.me.uk> Neither morse (loosely called CW), nor JT65, are pure sine waves, so they will have IMD, although it may well be less than the key clicks (as conventionally understood for morse, and because of the abrupt frequency changes in JT65). True CW cannot convey any more information than its existence. Measured in a 1Hz bandwidth, the JT65 IMD would be very low, and measured in the total bandwidth, it would be concentrated, in time, around signalling unit boundaries. Similarly for the "clicks". As to the mobile powers, I would have thought that it would be unsafe to operate at some of the power levels mentioned, both in terms of the risk to other people (e.g. someone in an open, or soft, top vehicle, or even pedestrians in slow moving traffic), and the risk of causing an accident as as result of EMC failures in passing vehicles. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 14/12/14 09:10, Edward R Cole wrote: > > You are correct that the specs are for pulse and one can run CW/JT65 at > this level since there is no IMD produced by a single sine wave. So > combining two running 750w each gets you 1500w in linear operation with > 2400w dissipation. > > 1500w mobile!!! Are you serious? I'd guess 200-250w would be adequate > for mobile. But I do not do serious HF'ing. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 08:03:26 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 - power out with no drive In-Reply-To: References: <000901d017ad$9870e160$c952a420$@gm4aff.net> <548DE2DE.5060700@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <548EDC1E.6080002@embarqmail.com> David, To answer your question, no it has not been incorporated on the XV series. Some transverters are just fine without it, but some others show that problem behavior. I usually add it to any XV transverter that I service, and I would encourage any owner to do the same. It simply filters any noise off that signal line whose only component should be DC. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2014 4:58 AM, David G4DMP wrote: > Magic! I have just read your advice to Stewart GM4AFF and recognised a > phenomenon I have been getting with my XV144 for years. I had assumed > that the flashing LEDs were due to my fault in overdriving. > > I have just added a 0.1 across E & C of Q7 and that has cured the > problem. I must now do the same with my XV70. > > Am I to assume that this mod has now been incorporated in new XV--- > kits? > > I am ever thankful to you, Don, for your valuable contribution to the > reflector. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > In a recent message, Don Wilhelm writes >> There are some XVnnn transverters that falsely detect an overload >> condition. That is due to noise on the COR detection line. An easy >> cure for that is to remove the front panel metalwork and solder a 0.1uf >> capacitor between the collector and emitter of Front Panel Q7. It can >> easily be added to the solder side of Q7 without removing the front >> panel board. From wb7sde at evross.com Mon Dec 15 08:52:37 2014 From: wb7sde at evross.com (Eric Ross) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:52:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> References: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I see the same thing, but only on 10m. I just assumed (possibly erroneously) the power indication was not accurate and used the indicated 100w. I don't have an external wattmeter to validate. My antenna is tuned for 20m so tuning it is not that hard on 10m. Eric wb7sde On December 14, 2014 9:23:15 PM PST, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >Maybe there is not enough voltage at the power input to the radio ? >possibly due to high resistance at your power connections or in your >fuse holders? > >73, Matt VK2RQ > > >> On 15 Dec 2014, at 8:18 am, Bruce Chadbourne > wrote: >> >> To the list: >> >> I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts >my >> power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR >is >> too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU >which >> confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. >> So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? >> >> -- >> Bruce KE1CY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to wb7sde at evross.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 15 10:58:05 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:58:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest Message-ID: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> Hi all, I only had an hour or so of contest time, but the band was in great shape and I worked everyone I called in both SSB and CW mode (35 QSOs in 19 states). Just to make it more challenging, I kept power set to 5.0 watts, and used my 6-meter antenna exclusively (not a typo--yes, this was on 10 meters). It's a pair of 6-meter hamsticks forming a dipole, supported by a push-up mast at about 20'. It's fed with LMR400 coax, then connected to the K3, which has a KAT3 ATU. The ATU can tune this antenna on 20-6 meters. While it certainly isn't very efficient on bands below 6 meters, it was good enough to have some fun in the contest. I was using the latest K3 firmware (rev. 5.01), which has excellent QSK audio characteristics as reported by those using this field-test release. 73, Wayne N6KR From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 11:00:39 2014 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for unbuilt K2 Message-ID: Getting board out this way I'm looking for an unbuilt K2? Mike VE3WDM From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 11:11:13 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:11:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F0821.9060206@embarqmail.com> Matt is entirely correct. The first thing to investigate in the event of a Hi Current message is the voltage (as indicated by the K3) level during transmit. The way Elecraft transceivers control power, a low voltage means that higher current must be obtained to maintain the requested power output level. Common causes are loose connections at the power supply, improperly assembled Anderson PowerPole connectors, and either long power supply cables or too small a wire gauge resulting in significant voltage drop when current is drawn. This applies not only to the K3, but also to the KXPA100 and the K2/100. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2014 8:52 AM, Eric Ross wrote: > I see the same thing, but only on 10m. I just assumed (possibly erroneously) the power indication was not accurate and used the indicated 100w. I don't have an external wattmeter to validate. My antenna is tuned for 20m so tuning it is not that hard on 10m. > > Eric > wb7sde > > On December 14, 2014 9:23:15 PM PST, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >> Maybe there is not enough voltage at the power input to the radio ? >> possibly due to high resistance at your power connections or in your >> fuse holders? >> >> 73, Matt VK2RQ >> >> >> From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 15 08:07:56 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:07:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, No matter what happens, you will probably end up taking the antenna down... If nothing else to check to be sure it is fine... Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the antenna base as possible, and see if it is resonant on all bands... Probably won't anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange feedline thing, or a connector issue, but having the antenna work on some bands, while not on others reeks of blown trap. I fear your diagnosis is in fact correct... If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were me, I would get a trapless antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I currently use a GAP Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by band review of it at: http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ The antenna takes power, and does not break, I have run 1000 Watts into it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I have had it up for at least 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a problem beyond the three radials coming off once... It is a pretty good performer on 40, and 20. I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does a good job. I do take it down every few years and check things, and change out anything that looks like it is going bad. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 12:17 +0200, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > Here is my somewhat off-topic question for today: > > I have an R8 vertical, which does its bandswitching with a combination > of stubs and traps. The other day I was transmitting CW on 40M with > about 1200 watts and a normal SWR of less than 1.5:1. Suddenly the SWR > went sky-high. Now the antenna doesn't work on 7 and 10 MHz, although it > is fine on the higher bands. It looks to me like I blew the 30M trap. So: > > 1. Do you folks think this is a correct diagnosis? I will have to take > the antenna down to be sure, and that won't be fun since it is on top of > a 10-story building. > > 2. I have heard of this happening with the R8, although it is rated at > 1500W CW according to the manual. But I always thought the people it > happened to were operating at high SWRs. Maybe these are 1500 MFJ watts, > which, as everyone knows, are smaller than regular watts. Has anyone had > a similar experience? > > 3. Should I have bought a KPA500 which wouldn't stress the antenna as > much? :-) From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 11:20:14 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:20:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <548F0A3E.8080306@embarqmail.com> Bruce, I would expect a Hi REFL message rather than Hi Cur if SWR was the problem. Check your power supply connections. If you have bolts and nuts on the power supply output terminals, if the bolts turn (even slightly) when you tighten the nuts, you will have to dig inside the power supply to fully tighten the bolts to the lugs on the inside. With Elecraft gear, a low power supply voltage will result in a higher current draw from the power supply. Elecraft gear seeks to maintain the requested power output, and a low supply voltage means that the current must increase to maintain the power level. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/14/2014 4:18 PM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > To the list: > > I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR is > too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU which > confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. > So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? > From phil-z at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 08:08:06 2014 From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:08:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: BL-1 Balun Message-ID: <260C1458-C863-44DE-814B-398E056675C6@comcast.net> For Sale: Elecraft BL-1 150 Watt Balun. Wired as 4:1. Can be re-wired for 1:1. Includes dual female BNC connector. Great to use with built-in tuners. No longer using. Price $25.00 shipped CONUS. PayPaL OK. Contact off-list. phil-z at comcast dot net Phil N3ZP From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 11:39:59 2014 From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:39:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest In-Reply-To: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> References: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1418661599423-7596001.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne and all, I also didn't have much time for the contest either,but here is what I did. I have an old mobile hustler set up mounted on an old truck brake rotor that I use with my KX3 in the house. Didn't have a 10 meter coil, so took the hustler off and screwed a 102 inch whip on the brake rotor. It is a good match on 10. I also made 35 contacts, 12 countries and the rest stateside and Canada. There were 15 SSB and 20 CW contacts with Australia being the longest distance. Lots of fun. Guess I cheated though, as I was running 10 watts. HI! 73, George NC5G -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ARRL-10-m-contest-tp7595995p7596001.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 12:03:58 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <548F0821.9060206@embarqmail.com> References: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> <548F0821.9060206@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <73A91F2F-6404-42FC-B258-256519C65996@gmail.com> In my case, the K3?s internal volt meter is indicating 12.1v, well above the minimum specs. I am pretty sure this only happens on 20m, never on other bands. I wouldn?t think supply voltage would be band selective. I?m using the power cable that came with the K3. Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Matt is entirely correct. The first thing to investigate in the event of a Hi Current message is the voltage (as indicated by the K3) level during transmit. > > The way Elecraft transceivers control power, a low voltage means that higher current must be obtained to maintain the requested power output level. > > Common causes are loose connections at the power supply, improperly assembled Anderson PowerPole connectors, and either long power supply cables or too small a wire gauge resulting in significant voltage drop when current is drawn. > > This applies not only to the K3, but also to the KXPA100 and the K2/100. > > 73, From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Mon Dec 15 12:11:17 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:11:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest In-Reply-To: <1418661599423-7596001.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> <1418661599423-7596001.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <548F1635.4090108@sunflower.com> Hey Wayne, George and all too, Did about the same. Ordered the K3 five weeks ago, got it in about ten days, built and aligned in ten hours, got on the 10-meter CW contest and made 60 contacts with 25% DX, using my K3 and a SteppIR vertical with the antenna set at 3/4-wavelength for 10-meters. Great Combo. What fun! Wish I'd had the full weekend but still fun for a short run. Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence KS > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 12:28:01 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:28:01 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> The good news is that I called MFJ, got a technician immediately, he agreed that the 30M trap is the problem, and said he would send me a new one under warranty. Elecraft-style service (so far). The bad news is that despite the statement in the manual that it is rated at "1500W CW," he told me not to exceed 800-1000 watts. Not Elecraft-style design/documentation! So if you have an R8 or similar antenna, be warned. I wasn't tuning up or running RTTY -- I was calling CQ on 40M running about 1200W. Other bands are unchanged but 30 and 40M are gone. Thanks to everyone that responded. On 15 Dec 2014 15:07, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > > No matter what happens, you will probably end up taking the antenna > down... If nothing else to check to be sure it is fine... > > Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the antenna base as > possible, and see if it is resonant on all bands... Probably won't > anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange feedline thing, or a > connector issue, but having the antenna work on some bands, while not on > others reeks of blown trap. I fear your diagnosis is in fact > correct... > > If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were me, I would get a trapless > antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I currently use a GAP > Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by band review of it at: > http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ > > The antenna takes power, and does not break, I have run 1000 Watts into > it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I have had it up for at least > 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a problem beyond the three > radials coming off once... It is a pretty good performer on 40, and 20. > I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does a good job. I do take > it down every few years and check things, and change out anything that > looks like it is going bad. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Dec 15 13:32:28 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:32:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F293C.2020701@socal.rr.com> MFJ has a technician? Pretty amazing, Vic :-) Phil W7OX On 12/15/14 9:28 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > The good news is that I called MFJ, got a > technician immediately, he agreed that the 30M > trap is the problem, and said he would send me a > new one under warranty. Elecraft-style service > (so far). > > The bad news is that despite the statement in > the manual that it is rated at "1500W CW," he > told me not to exceed 800-1000 watts. Not > Elecraft-style design/documentation! > > So if you have an R8 or similar antenna, be > warned. I wasn't tuning up or running RTTY -- I > was calling CQ on 40M running about 1200W. > > Other bands are unchanged but 30 and 40M are gone. > > Thanks to everyone that responded. > > On 15 Dec 2014 15:07, David Cole wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No matter what happens, you will probably end >> up taking the antenna >> down... If nothing else to check to be sure it >> is fine... >> >> Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the >> antenna base as >> possible, and see if it is resonant on all >> bands... Probably won't >> anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange >> feedline thing, or a >> connector issue, but having the antenna work on >> some bands, while not on >> others reeks of blown trap. I fear your >> diagnosis is in fact >> correct... >> >> If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were >> me, I would get a trapless >> antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I >> currently use a GAP >> Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by >> band review of it at: >> http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ >> >> >> The antenna takes power, and does not break, I >> have run 1000 Watts into >> it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I >> have had it up for at least >> 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a >> problem beyond the three >> radials coming off once... It is a pretty good >> performer on 40, and 20. >> I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does >> a good job. I do take >> it down every few years and check things, and >> change out anything that >> looks like it is going bad. > > From w6jhb at me.com Mon Dec 15 13:34:13 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:34:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest In-Reply-To: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> References: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Kind of a similar situation here in Folsom. Christmas activities and other family ?stuff? kept me away from the contest for all but a few hours. My goal, using the K3 @ 5 watts along with my P3, was to search & pounce for as many different states as possible - I?m trying to get WAS QRP. A total of 66 QSO?s in 34 states, plus 5W1SA (Samoa), EA8AV (Canary Islands), KP2Q (Virgin Islands), and WP4C (Puerto Rico). Heard lots more DX stations but didn?t attempt to work them, as states were my main goal. Although I did hear a station from Algeria (7X7?? - can?t remember the whole call) but he was also search & pounce so I didn?t get a chance to call him - arrghhhhhh. Not too bad for QRP and a stealthy doublet antenna strung through the redwood trees. Darn CC&R/HOA crud! If I worked you in the contest - many thanks and you?ll probably be getting a QSL and an SASE from me if you don?t participate in LoTW! 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Monday, Dec 15, 2014, at Monday, 7:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > I only had an hour or so of contest time, but the band was in great shape and I worked everyone I called in both SSB and CW mode (35 QSOs in 19 states). > > Just to make it more challenging, I kept power set to 5.0 watts, and used my 6-meter antenna exclusively (not a typo--yes, this was on 10 meters). It's a pair of 6-meter hamsticks forming a dipole, supported by a push-up mast at about 20'. It's fed with LMR400 coax, then connected to the K3, which has a KAT3 ATU. The ATU can tune this antenna on 20-6 meters. While it certainly isn't very efficient on bands below 6 meters, it was good enough to have some fun in the contest. > > I was using the latest K3 firmware (rev. 5.01), which has excellent QSK audio characteristics as reported by those using this field-test release. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 15 13:49:57 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:49:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/15/2014 2:17 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I have heard of this happening with the R8, although it is rated at > 1500W CW according to the manual. But I always thought the people it > happened to were operating at high SWRs. Maybe these are 1500 MFJ > watts, which, as everyone knows, are smaller than regular watts. Has > anyone had a similar experience? Hi Vic, It might be worth asking this question on the Tower Talk reflector. 73, Jim K9YC From k7mw78 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 17:19:11 2014 From: k7mw78 at gmail.com (Rick Dettinger) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:19:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 connections Message-ID: <4A552A37-3DAB-49DA-A5D0-77652C7431D3@gmail.com> Guess what? I need assistance! I am attempting to connect my KX3 to my new KXPA100, and am stumped with the Key Line Cable shown on page 8. This is a doubled ended RCA plug type cable. It references fig 5 on pg 18 for the basic installation, (no KXPACBL). Paragraph 6, pg 19, seems to say that the Key Line Cable goes to ACC2 on the KX3. Great, except the RCA plug does not come close to fitting the 3.5 mm ACC2 jack. What am I doing wrong? 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW From ny9h at arrl.net Mon Dec 15 14:21:57 2014 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill NY9H) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:21:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: maybe the brilliant designer thought he could build the 30 meter trap to the power level allowed on 30 meters ;) ????? oooops At 01:49 PM 12/15/2014, Jim Brown wrote: >On Mon,12/15/2014 2:17 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >>I have heard of this happening with the R8, although it is rated at >>1500W CW according to the manual. But I always thought the people >>it happened to were operating at high SWRs. Maybe these are 1500 >>MFJ watts, which, as everyone knows, are smaller than regular >>watts. Has anyone had a similar experience? > >Hi Vic, > >It might be worth asking this question on the Tower Talk reflector. > >73, Jim K9YC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ny9h at arrl.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Dec 15 14:05:39 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:05:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F3103.6090809@socal.rr.com> So how painful will it be to lower the antenna and repair it, Vic? And what is the ETA for the trap to arrive at your QTH? Phil W7OX On 12/15/14 9:28 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > The good news is that I called MFJ, got a > technician immediately, he agreed that the 30M > trap is the problem, and said he would send me a > new one under warranty. Elecraft-style service > (so far). > > The bad news is that despite the statement in > the manual that it is rated at "1500W CW," he > told me not to exceed 800-1000 watts. Not > Elecraft-style design/documentation! > > So if you have an R8 or similar antenna, be > warned. I wasn't tuning up or running RTTY -- I > was calling CQ on 40M running about 1200W. > > Other bands are unchanged but 30 and 40M are gone. > > Thanks to everyone that responded. > > On 15 Dec 2014 15:07, David Cole wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No matter what happens, you will probably end >> up taking the antenna >> down... If nothing else to check to be sure it >> is fine... >> >> Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the >> antenna base as >> possible, and see if it is resonant on all >> bands... Probably won't >> anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange >> feedline thing, or a >> connector issue, but having the antenna work on >> some bands, while not on >> others reeks of blown trap. I fear your >> diagnosis is in fact >> correct... >> >> If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were >> me, I would get a trapless >> antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I >> currently use a GAP >> Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by >> band review of it at: >> http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ >> >> >> The antenna takes power, and does not break, I >> have run 1000 Watts into >> it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I >> have had it up for at least >> 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a >> problem beyond the three >> radials coming off once... It is a pretty good >> performer on 40, and 20. >> I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does >> a good job. I do take >> it down every few years and check things, and >> change out anything that >> looks like it is going bad. > > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 16:35:50 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:35:50 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <73A91F2F-6404-42FC-B258-256519C65996@gmail.com> References: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> <548F0821.9060206@embarqmail.com> <73A91F2F-6404-42FC-B258-256519C65996@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9CF9FCB0-526D-4A66-A8A2-ADD153A41B07@gmail.com> Is that 12.1V reading during receive or transmit (the voltage will tend to sag when pulling higher currents during transmit)? I don't have a K3, but I do have a KXPA100, and I find that it will not develop a full 100W if I only feed it only 12V -- it works much better with a supply of 14V. The impedance of the antenna will vary from band to band -- if the impedance happens to work out lower on 20m than on the other bands, then the extra current draw on that band together with the supply voltage at the low end of the range may be enough to trip the high current alarm in your PA. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 16 Dec 2014, at 4:03 am, Ken wrote: > > In my case, the K3?s internal volt meter is indicating 12.1v, well above the minimum specs. I am pretty sure this only happens on 20m, never on other bands. I wouldn?t think supply voltage would be band selective. I?m using the power cable that came with the K3. > > Ken WA8JXM > > >> On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Matt is entirely correct. The first thing to investigate in the event of a Hi Current message is the voltage (as indicated by the K3) level during transmit. >> >> The way Elecraft transceivers control power, a low voltage means that higher current must be obtained to maintain the requested power output level. >> >> Common causes are loose connections at the power supply, improperly assembled Anderson PowerPole connectors, and either long power supply cables or too small a wire gauge resulting in significant voltage drop when current is drawn. >> >> This applies not only to the K3, but also to the KXPA100 and the K2/100. >> >> 73, > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 15 14:47:56 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:47:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1418672876.3837.26.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi Vic, That is not surprising to me for reasons later discussed here... When something is rated at "1500 Watts, CW", that really means, 300 watts to 500 watts DC, or 100% duty cycle... I wish manufactures would rate things at 100% duty cycle. I am pretty sure Elecraft does. CW is taken to be about a 20% duty cycle, (for the most part), and as such you can hammer something much harder when running CW than say when you are running RTTY at 100% duty cycle... That is how the 300 watt figure came about, r=.20*1500, where r is the rating for power. I tend to de-rate everything 60% to 85% when I run RTTY, PSK, or any mode that is even close to 100% duty cycle, more on the 75% side of things. I would bet that 1000 watts RTTY for 10 minutes would blow another trap... I really dislike trap antennas for this reason, and these reasons-- a bug gets into a trap, and you have a fire, water gets into a trap, and you have a fire, a leaf falls on a trap, and you have a trap fire, etc. You get the picture... Pretty much everything ends in "trap fire". Next time try and get an antenna with no traps if possible. I realize you have the R8 now, and will keep it, but in the future, never forget the lesson the MFJ antenna just taught you! I learned my de-rating lesson in a similar way several decades ago, running RTTY, I have NEVER forgotten it. If you have an antenna in a hard to get to location, overbuild everything. I had been considering an R8 up to now-- but the little experiment you just performed, just convinced me to avoid that antenna. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 19:28 +0200, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > The good news is that I called MFJ, got a technician immediately, he > agreed that the 30M trap is the problem, and said he would send me a new > one under warranty. Elecraft-style service (so far). > > The bad news is that despite the statement in the manual that it is > rated at "1500W CW," he told me not to exceed 800-1000 watts. Not > Elecraft-style design/documentation! > > So if you have an R8 or similar antenna, be warned. I wasn't tuning up > or running RTTY -- I was calling CQ on 40M running about 1200W. > > Other bands are unchanged but 30 and 40M are gone. > > Thanks to everyone that responded. > > On 15 Dec 2014 15:07, David Cole wrote: > > Hi, > > > > No matter what happens, you will probably end up taking the antenna > > down... If nothing else to check to be sure it is fine... > > > > Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the antenna base as > > possible, and see if it is resonant on all bands... Probably won't > > anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange feedline thing, or a > > connector issue, but having the antenna work on some bands, while not on > > others reeks of blown trap. I fear your diagnosis is in fact > > correct... > > > > If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were me, I would get a trapless > > antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I currently use a GAP > > Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by band review of it at: > > http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ > > > > The antenna takes power, and does not break, I have run 1000 Watts into > > it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I have had it up for at least > > 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a problem beyond the three > > radials coming off once... It is a pretty good performer on 40, and 20. > > I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does a good job. I do take > > it down every few years and check things, and change out anything that > > looks like it is going bad. > > From sasimpson at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 14:14:41 2014 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:14:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest In-Reply-To: References: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I received my PX3 a week or so ago and it was impressive to see how the contest looked on it: 200kHz of SSB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH9JX5fyLnc 100kHz of CW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8S-7MYpTcI scott sasimpson at gmail.com On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM, James Bennett wrote: > > Kind of a similar situation here in Folsom. Christmas activities and other > family ?stuff? kept me away from the contest for all but a few hours. My > goal, using the K3 @ 5 watts along with my P3, was to search & pounce for > as many different states as possible - I?m trying to get WAS QRP. A total > of 66 QSO?s in 34 states, plus 5W1SA (Samoa), EA8AV (Canary Islands), KP2Q > (Virgin Islands), and WP4C (Puerto Rico). Heard lots more DX stations but > didn?t attempt to work them, as states were my main goal. Although I did > hear a station from Algeria (7X7?? - can?t remember the whole call) but he > was also search & pounce so I didn?t get a chance to call him - arrghhhhhh. > Not too bad for QRP and a stealthy doublet antenna strung through the > redwood trees. Darn CC&R/HOA crud! > > If I worked you in the contest - many thanks and you?ll probably be > getting a QSL and an SASE from me if you don?t participate in LoTW! > > 73, Jim / W6JHB > > > > > On Monday, Dec 15, 2014, at Monday, 7:58 AM, Wayne Burdick < > n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I only had an hour or so of contest time, but the band was in great > shape and I worked everyone I called in both SSB and CW mode (35 QSOs in 19 > states). > > > > Just to make it more challenging, I kept power set to 5.0 watts, and > used my 6-meter antenna exclusively (not a typo--yes, this was on 10 > meters). It's a pair of 6-meter hamsticks forming a dipole, supported by a > push-up mast at about 20'. It's fed with LMR400 coax, then connected to the > K3, which has a KAT3 ATU. The ATU can tune this antenna on 20-6 meters. > While it certainly isn't very efficient on bands below 6 meters, it was > good enough to have some fun in the contest. > > > > I was using the latest K3 firmware (rev. 5.01), which has excellent QSK > audio characteristics as reported by those using this field-test release. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sasimpson at gmail.com > From wa8jxm at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:57:45 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <548F1876.8020405@horizon.co.fk> References: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> <548F0821.9060206@embarqmail.com> <73A91F2F-6404-42FC-B258-256519C65996@gmail.com> <548F1876.8020405@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: Mike, It?s not ?voltage starved.? I just went through and documented everything. Voltage measured by the K3 never gets below 13.1 volts. The problem is ONLY on 20m where ?high current? displays at 65 watts. And indeed it is comparatively high current, 23.5 amps. On the other bands I can run 100w without the current getting that high. ALL TESTS DONE WITH A DUMMY LOAD (or a live antenna and the internal antenna tuner or an external antenna tuner.) I wonder if the other people experiencing the high current message are seeing it on other bands, or only 20m. Ken WA8JXM > On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > > It isn't, however, the load on the PA is band selective depending upon the antenna match and this can effect the current. 12.1v is forcing the PA to draw more current to deliver the power requested. Any particular reason you are running voltage starved? > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 15/12/2014 14:03, Ken wrote: >> In my case, the K3?s internal volt meter is indicating 12.1v, well above the minimum specs. I am pretty sure this only happens on 20m, never on other bands. I wouldn?t think supply voltage would be band selective. I?m using the power cable that came with the K3. >> >> Ken WA8JXM >> >> >>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> Matt is entirely correct. The first thing to investigate in the event of a Hi Current message is the voltage (as indicated by the K3) level during transmit. >>> >>> The way Elecraft transceivers control power, a low voltage means that higher current must be obtained to maintain the requested power output level. >>> >>> Common causes are loose connections at the power supply, improperly assembled Anderson PowerPole connectors, and either long power supply cables or too small a wire gauge resulting in significant voltage drop when current is drawn. >>> >>> This applies not only to the K3, but also to the KXPA100 and the K2/100. >>> >>> 73, From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 15 14:35:45 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bert via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:35:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest Message-ID: I used my KX3 and KXPA100 for the 14 hours I was on. I recently had gone through the rx sideband nulling procedure and really enjoyed single-signal reception. The amp got pretty hot...it definitely needs external cooling of some sort. I didn't take any PA temp readings, but the heatsink was uncomfortable to touch during long spells of "running" at 100W output. The KX3 is an outstanding performer, even if QSK isn't as quiet as the K3 with FW 5.01 :~) 73, Bert, N4CW From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 14:32:53 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:32:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <548F3765.3060304@gmail.com> The manual on the MFJ website now specifies that the antenna can handle 1500 watts SSB without compression, 750 watts CW, and 500 watts RTTY. The manual that came with my antenna (purchased this March) simply said 1500 watts CW. It also had the pre-MFJ address for Cushcraft. When I was considering what antenna to buy last December I downloaded the manual. That one was also the old version. So apparently they only recently updated the manual. Too bad -- I would have made a different choice if I'd known. On 15 Dec 2014 20:49, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/15/2014 2:17 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> I have heard of this happening with the R8, although it is rated at >> 1500W CW according to the manual. But I always thought the people it >> happened to were operating at high SWRs. Maybe these are 1500 MFJ >> watts, which, as everyone knows, are smaller than regular watts. Has >> anyone had a similar experience? > > Hi Vic, > > It might be worth asking this question on the Tower Talk reflector. > > 73, Jim K9YC -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 18:35:11 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:35:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 connections In-Reply-To: <4A552A37-3DAB-49DA-A5D0-77652C7431D3@gmail.com> References: <4A552A37-3DAB-49DA-A5D0-77652C7431D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F702F.9090808@embarqmail.com> Rick, The manual does *not* state that an RCA plug will be used on both ends of the Keyline cable. Yes, the KXPA100 end is an RCA plug and that is clearly shown, but the other end must match the transceiver and since several types of connectors are used on transceivers for KEYOUT, the KXPA100 must be ambiguous about the connector on the transceiver end (i.e. the FT-817 uses a DIN connector IIRC). In the case of the KX3, a 2.5mm stereo plug is needed. The ring contact is keyline output and the shield or common conductor of the cable connects to the shell. It may be easier to just order the KXPACBL than cutting your cable and wiring in the 2.5mm stereo plug. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2014 5:19 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote: > Guess what? I need assistance! > I am attempting to connect my KX3 to my new KXPA100, and am stumped with the Key Line Cable shown on page 8. > This is a doubled ended RCA plug type cable. It references fig 5 on pg 18 for the basic installation, (no KXPACBL). > Paragraph 6, pg 19, seems to say that the Key Line Cable goes to ACC2 on the KX3. Great, except the RCA plug does not come close to fitting the 3.5 mm ACC2 jack. What am I doing wrong? > > 73, > Rick Dettinger K7MW > From sasimpson at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 14:19:11 2014 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:19:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D Printed KX3 stand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While you're doing that, can you design a base for the KX3 Key? :) scott sasimpson at gmail.com On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > > Before I sit down and design on, has anyone already designed a 3D printed > stand yet that they wouldn't mind sharing so I can print one? > > Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sasimpson at gmail.com > From phil-z at comcast.net Mon Dec 15 16:51:16 2014 From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: BL-1 balun Message-ID: <95A241DA-2647-4ABC-9CBD-140027B484C0@comcast.net> The balun has been sold. Thanks, Phil N3ZP From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 18:53:20 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: <3E9828ED-2565-4A14-98C7-E58788EF71A5@gmail.com> <548F0821.9060206@embarqmail.com> <73A91F2F-6404-42FC-B258-256519C65996@gmail.com> <548F1876.8020405@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <548F7470.5060700@embarqmail.com> Ken, Now that I see some numbers and know that you are running into a dummy load, it would appear that you have a low pass filter problem on 20 meters. I suggest you contact K3support. A common cause of HiCurrent is a problem in one of the Low Pass Filters. Support may be able to lead you through determination if that is really the problem and if so, is it in the low power 20 meter LPF or in the KPA3 LPF. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2014 3:57 PM, Ken wrote: > Mike, > > It?s not ?voltage starved.? I just went through and documented everything. Voltage measured by the K3 never gets below 13.1 volts. The problem is ONLY on 20m where ?high current? displays at 65 watts. And indeed it is comparatively high current, 23.5 amps. On the other bands I can run 100w without the current getting that high. > > ALL TESTS DONE WITH A DUMMY LOAD (or a live antenna and the internal antenna tuner or an external antenna tuner.) > > I wonder if the other people experiencing the high current message are seeing it on other bands, or only 20m. > > Ken WA8JXM > > >> On Dec 15, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Mike Harris wrote: >> >> It isn't, however, the load on the PA is band selective depending upon the antenna match and this can effect the current. 12.1v is forcing the PA to draw more current to deliver the power requested. Any particular reason you are running voltage starved? >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike VP8NO >> >> On 15/12/2014 14:03, Ken wrote: >>> In my case, the K3?s internal volt meter is indicating 12.1v, well above the minimum specs. I am pretty sure this only happens on 20m, never on other bands. I wouldn?t think supply voltage would be band selective. I?m using the power cable that came with the K3. >>> >>> Ken WA8JXM >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> >>>> Matt is entirely correct. The first thing to investigate in the event of a Hi Current message is the voltage (as indicated by the K3) level during transmit. >>>> >>>> The way Elecraft transceivers control power, a low voltage means that higher current must be obtained to maintain the requested power output level. >>>> >>>> Common causes are loose connections at the power supply, improperly assembled Anderson PowerPole connectors, and either long power supply cables or too small a wire gauge resulting in significant voltage drop when current is drawn. >>>> >>>> This applies not only to the K3, but also to the KXPA100 and the K2/100. >>>> >>>> 73, > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 15 19:00:28 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:00:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F3765.3060304@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548F3765.3060304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F761C.4000901@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/15/2014 11:32 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > The manual on the MFJ website now specifies that the antenna can > handle 1500 watts SSB without compression, 750 watts CW, and 500 watts > RTTY. One might suspect that MFJ did some "cost engineering" on the original Cushcraft design. Wouldn't be the first time. 73, Jim K9YC From k7mw78 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 19:01:07 2014 From: k7mw78 at gmail.com (Rick Dettinger) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:01:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 connections In-Reply-To: <548F702F.9090808@embarqmail.com> References: <4A552A37-3DAB-49DA-A5D0-77652C7431D3@gmail.com> <548F702F.9090808@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5F832BED-C863-4B64-855E-BFFF79E0A961@gmail.com> Thanks Don, I did read the instructions wrong. I was distracted by the idea that the KXPA100 would be "plug and play" with the companion KX3 transceiver. Since it is unlikely that I will be able to find a cable with an RCA plug on one end, and a 2.5 mm stereo plg on the other, without tip wire, it looks like a custom job. I don't know if I would have a use for the features of the KXCABLE, since I don't have a high power amp, a KXAT100 or a computer in my shack. I do appreciate the fact that it would be necessary to modify connection cables for unknown brand X transceivers. 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Rick, > > The manual does *not* state that an RCA plug will be used on both ends of the Keyline cable. > Yes, the KXPA100 end is an RCA plug and that is clearly shown, but the other end must match the transceiver and since several types of connectors are used on transceivers for KEYOUT, the KXPA100 must be ambiguous about the connector on the transceiver end (i.e. the FT-817 uses a DIN connector IIRC). > > In the case of the KX3, a 2.5mm stereo plug is needed. The ring contact is keyline output and the shield or common conductor of the cable connects to the shell. > > It may be easier to just order the KXPACBL than cutting your cable and wiring in the 2.5mm stereo plug. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/15/2014 5:19 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote: >> Guess what? I need assistance! >> I am attempting to connect my KX3 to my new KXPA100, and am stumped with the Key Line Cable shown on page 8. >> This is a doubled ended RCA plug type cable. It references fig 5 on pg 18 for the basic installation, (no KXPACBL). >> Paragraph 6, pg 19, seems to say that the Key Line Cable goes to ACC2 on the KX3. Great, except the RCA plug does not come close to fitting the 3.5 mm ACC2 jack. What am I doing wrong? >> >> 73, >> Rick Dettinger K7MW >> > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 19:10:28 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:10:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 connections In-Reply-To: <5F832BED-C863-4B64-855E-BFFF79E0A961@gmail.com> References: <4A552A37-3DAB-49DA-A5D0-77652C7431D3@gmail.com> <548F702F.9090808@embarqmail.com> <5F832BED-C863-4B64-855E-BFFF79E0A961@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F7874.700@embarqmail.com> Rick, The cable kit makes it 'plug-n-play'. Well worth the $39.95 IMHO, but may vary on how you value your time and frustration level. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2014 7:01 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote: > Thanks Don, > > I did read the instructions wrong. I was distracted by the idea that the KXPA100 would be "plug and play" with the companion KX3 transceiver. Since it is unlikely that I will be able to find a cable with an RCA plug on one end, and a 2.5 mm stereo plg on the other, without tip wire, it looks like a custom job. > I don't know if I would have a use for the features of the KXCABLE, since I don't have a high power amp, a KXAT100 or a computer in my shack. > I do appreciate the fact that it would be necessary to modify connection cables for unknown brand X transceivers. > > > 73, > Rick Dettinger K7MW > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Rick, >> >> The manual does *not* state that an RCA plug will be used on both ends of the Keyline cable. >> Yes, the KXPA100 end is an RCA plug and that is clearly shown, but the other end must match the transceiver and since several types of connectors are used on transceivers for KEYOUT, the KXPA100 must be ambiguous about the connector on the transceiver end (i.e. the FT-817 uses a DIN connector IIRC). >> >> In the case of the KX3, a 2.5mm stereo plug is needed. The ring contact is keyline output and the shield or common conductor of the cable connects to the shell. >> >> It may be easier to just order the KXPACBL than cutting your cable and wiring in the 2.5mm stereo plug. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 12/15/2014 5:19 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote: >>> Guess what? I need assistance! >>> I am attempting to connect my KX3 to my new KXPA100, and am stumped with the Key Line Cable shown on page 8. >>> This is a doubled ended RCA plug type cable. It references fig 5 on pg 18 for the basic installation, (no KXPACBL). >>> Paragraph 6, pg 19, seems to say that the Key Line Cable goes to ACC2 on the KX3. Great, except the RCA plug does not come close to fitting the 3.5 mm ACC2 jack. What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> 73, >>> Rick Dettinger K7MW >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 15 19:21:05 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:21:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F761C.4000901@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <548F2D55.3050400@audiosystemsgroup.com> <548F3765.3060304@gmail.com> <548F761C.4000901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1418689265.20711.1.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> "cost engineering" Jim you are a gentlemen... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 16:00 -0800, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/15/2014 11:32 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > > The manual on the MFJ website now specifies that the antenna can > > handle 1500 watts SSB without compression, 750 watts CW, and 500 watts > > RTTY. > > One might suspect that MFJ did some "cost engineering" on the original > Cushcraft design. > > Wouldn't be the first time. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w2lj at verizon.net Mon Dec 15 19:46:56 2014 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:46:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC MiliiWat Sprint Wednesday Night Message-ID: <268095.90339.bm@smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> NAQCC Milliwatt Sprint Wednesday night! 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Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 15 20:25:14 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Davis via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1476253048.351171.1418693114531.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ?After reading Burt N4CW comment ... I have a 3" muffin fan laying on top of my KXPA100. I use a series resistor in the 12v source and the fan runs at reduced speed all the time. Receiver noise? masks the fan noise and I can run RTTY , PSK etc non stop with a "cool to touch" heat sink. I have been very active chasing the ARRL Centennial stations, so considerable RTTY and a bit of PSK31. ? Been a ham 59years and the this was first 10m SSB contest I ever participated in. Also first time I ever used the N1MM logger+. I had a good time using non-resonate 80m and 40m dipoles and the KXPA100 driven by my K3/10. ? 73? Bill? K0AWU From: Bert via Elecraft To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest I used my KX3 and KXPA100 for the 14 hours I was on. I recently had gone? through the rx sideband nulling procedure and really enjoyed single-signal? reception. The amp got pretty hot...it definitely needs external cooling of some? sort. I didn't take any PA temp readings, but the heatsink was? uncomfortable to touch during long spells of "running" at 100W output. The KX3 is an outstanding performer, even if QSK isn't as quiet as the K3? with FW 5.01 :~) 73, Bert, N4CW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cqbilld at yahoo.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Mon Dec 15 20:36:02 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:36:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> Message-ID: <548F8C82.4020502@earthlink.net> I did a random selection of 3 of their alleged distributors and found nothing on their sites. Too bad, they look like they could be useful. Guess I'll ping them directly and see what I get. 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/14/2014 4:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: > I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested > liquid cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates > have been around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view > a much better solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, > quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more > stable than air could ever and enable higher reliability. > > Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: > http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf > > > If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power > supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, > not in your shack. > > 73 > > David > G3UNA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 15 20:41:03 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:41:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548F8DAF.9060201@aol.com> I had a similar problem with a Cushcraft antenna. They also promised me an immediate replacement. I waited, sent email, waited, sent email, called - left message, finally after about 2 months I received the replacement parts. So, hold off judgement on their service until you have parts in hand. I also had a new but defective 259C analyzer. Sent it in for "No Matter What" warranty. It took 65 days to get it back. I could go on. Many people have shared their MFJ experiences in the past. MFJ is always a good news/bad news company. Many interesting products, but consistently falling short on quality and service. I'm glad Cushcraft was bought rather than allowed to go under - just like Hy-Gain. But, I am always suspicious of any of their products. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 12/15/2014 10:28 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > The good news is that I called MFJ, got a technician immediately, he > agreed that the 30M trap is the problem, and said he would send me a > new one under warranty. Elecraft-style service (so far). > > The bad news is that despite the statement in the manual that it is > rated at "1500W CW," he told me not to exceed 800-1000 watts. Not > Elecraft-style design/documentation! > > So if you have an R8 or similar antenna, be warned. I wasn't tuning up > or running RTTY -- I was calling CQ on 40M running about 1200W. > > Other bands are unchanged but 30 and 40M are gone. > > Thanks to everyone that responded. > > On 15 Dec 2014 15:07, David Cole wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No matter what happens, you will probably end up taking the antenna >> down... If nothing else to check to be sure it is fine... >> >> Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the antenna base as >> possible, and see if it is resonant on all bands... Probably won't >> anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange feedline thing, or a >> connector issue, but having the antenna work on some bands, while not on >> others reeks of blown trap. I fear your diagnosis is in fact >> correct... >> >> If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were me, I would get a trapless >> antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I currently use a GAP >> Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by band review of it at: >> http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ >> >> The antenna takes power, and does not break, I have run 1000 Watts into >> it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I have had it up for at least >> 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a problem beyond the three >> radials coming off once... It is a pretty good performer on 40, and 20. >> I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does a good job. I do take >> it down every few years and check things, and change out anything that >> looks like it is going bad. > > From gerry at w1ve.com Mon Dec 15 20:51:12 2014 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: ARRL 10-m contest In-Reply-To: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> References: <6A94046D-E75E-4920-BEF8-F6246978FC11@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hey Wayne et al, I used the K3 and K3/0 mini combo along with the RRC boxes to operate the ARRL 10m contest remote from K2LE's contest station in Vermont. Wayne, I was interested in your QSK comments. I was using QSK on the remote, and it was working pretty well. I notice, however, two strange things with QSK, both remote and local... At any speed, if I engage the RIT or go split, the QSK sounds very different. At 40wpm and above, the sidetone is not clean -- it seems to clip. I know, however, that the generated CW is just fine. Is this something that the beta firmware will take care of? BTW, for those of you who are contemplating CW contesting remotely using the K3+RemoteRig, you can be rest assured that it performs flawlessly. Latency is not an issue. Here's a snapshot of my rate analysis for the contest: The best 60 minute rate was 196/hour from 1249 to 1348 The best 30 minute rate was 220/hour from 1319 to 1348 The best 10 minute rate was 270/hour from 1330 to 1339 The best 1 minute rates were: 6 QSOs/minute 4 times. 5 QSOs/minute 9 times. 4 QSOs/minute 74 times. 3 QSOs/minute 143 times. 2 QSOs/minute 172 times. 1 QSOs/minute 167 times. So, remote is exactly like being there! In this operation, K2LE station end is 1.5Mbps DSL, my end 105Mbps cable. 73. Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wayne Burdick Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:58 AM Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL 10-m contest To: Elecraft Reflector Hi all, I only had an hour or so of contest time, but the band was in great shape and I worked everyone I called in both SSB and CW mode (35 QSOs in 19 states). Just to make it more challenging, I kept power set to 5.0 watts, and used my 6-meter antenna exclusively (not a typo--yes, this was on 10 meters). It's a pair of 6-meter hamsticks forming a dipole, supported by a push-up mast at about 20'. It's fed with LMR400 coax, then connected to the K3, which has a KAT3 ATU. The ATU can tune this antenna on 20-6 meters. While it certainly isn't very efficient on bands below 6 meters, it was good enough to have some fun in the contest. I was using the latest K3 firmware (rev. 5.01), which has excellent QSK audio characteristics as reported by those using this field-test release. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 15 20:54:25 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:54:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F8DAF.9060201@aol.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> <548F8DAF.9060201@aol.com> Message-ID: <548F90D1.5010901@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/15/2014 5:41 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > MFJ is always a good news/bad news company. IMO the only good news about the MFJ companies is the same as the most common bad news -- CHEAP. Cheap construction, poor or non-existent quality control, poor support. I consider them a very poor corporate citizen, because their low prices push better products from better companies out of the market. Little difference from what WalMart has done to "main street" businesses. 73, Jim K9YC From ho13dave at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 21:20:11 2014 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:20:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F90D1.5010901@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> <548F8DAF.9060201@aol.com> <548F90D1.5010901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <548F96DB.6020708@gmail.com> I see nothing wrong with MFJ. They serve the market reasonably well, if they did not they would soon be out of business. If MFJ was actually as bad as some of the posts you read, they would be out of business rather soon. But they keep humming along. Lets face it, hams are cheap. They like cheap stuff, even if it has a few warts. If MFJ raised their quality, and, of course, prices, accordingly (as they would have to), you know what would happen? Another company would soon spring up that looks a whole lot like the current incarnation of MFJ. Why? Well, because hams are cheap. They buy cheap stuff. Warts and all. I have had problems with some of the MFJ stuff I have bought. I have gotten reasonable service when I called or sent a message. Not super fast service, but commensurate with the price paid. What else is reasonable to expect? 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 12/15/14 7:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/15/2014 5:41 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> MFJ is always a good news/bad news company. > > IMO the only good news about the MFJ companies is the same as the most > common bad news -- CHEAP. Cheap construction, poor or non-existent > quality control, poor support. I consider them a very poor corporate > citizen, because their low prices push better products from better > companies out of the market. Little difference from what WalMart has > done to "main street" businesses. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 21:19:52 2014 From: bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com (Bruce Chadbourne) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:19:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <548F0A3E.8080306@embarqmail.com> References: <548F0A3E.8080306@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, et. al. Thanks for the replies. I can repeat this problem (a good thing) at 20m CW around 14.115 Mhz. Power supply (Astron VS-35M, front panel meters) showing proper voltage, and current knob set toward max. At 14.050, SWR reads 1.0 on the K3. Power set at 100w. Voltage reads 13.8v, then with key down, K3 meter says 23 amps, voltage drops to 12.6v No HI CUR warning. At 14.115, SWR still 1.0, 100 watts, 13.8v, put the key down, the HI CUR warning appears most of the time (so I can't read voltage/amp on K3 meter). One time it didn't show, and current was still 23-ish amps, and voltage 12.6; at which point I realized the rig had automatically reduced power from 100 to 88 watts. The ammeter on the Power supply reads about 17 amps at both freqs, with and without HI CUR warning. The power supply voltage meter does not show the deflection below 13v, stays rock steady. That seems to say the voltage drop under load is happening at the terminals or power cord Per your suggestion I checked the lugs on the back of the power supply - very firm, but I guess I'll disconnect the leads and clean them and repeat the test. I guess my question to the experts in the group: does a 1.2 volt drop at the rig sound normal at 100w? I am using the power lead that came with the K3 kit; it looks healthy, hasn't been out of the shack on any field day ops On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bruce, > > I would expect a Hi REFL message rather than Hi Cur if SWR was the problem. > Check your power supply connections. If you have bolts and nuts on the > power supply output terminals, if the bolts turn (even slightly) when you > tighten the nuts, you will have to dig inside the power supply to fully > tighten the bolts to the lugs on the inside. > > With Elecraft gear, a low power supply voltage will result in a higher > current draw from the power supply. Elecraft gear seeks to maintain the > requested power output, and a low supply voltage means that the current > must increase to maintain the power level. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/14/2014 4:18 PM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > >> To the list: >> >> I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my >> power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR is >> too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU which >> confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. >> So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? >> >> > -- Bruce Chadbourne PgMP 1034 W Beagle Run Loop Hernando, FL 34442 352-453-5456 If urgent, the best way to reach me is by phone. Thank you. From bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 21:40:59 2014 From: bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com (Bruce Chadbourne) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:40:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: <8CD9F785-7F8F-4277-941D-81FAA7504ACB@icloud.com> References: <548F0A3E.8080306@embarqmail.com> <8CD9F785-7F8F-4277-941D-81FAA7504ACB@icloud.com> Message-ID: Gerry responded to me off-list (below). I think your "Siri translation" meant reseating all plugs on the K3 and and maybe "Colex" was "coax." In response, yes I think I'm ok on those two points but will keep my eyes open. Interesting that a couple other guys are seeing this. So far I think it's only 20m; again, I'll have to keep a better system log. Somebody else mentioned the Anderson pole connector - I've been in good shape for several years so I expect it had been assembled correctly; but I'm wondering if the connector surfaces are known for oxidizing? Bruce / KE1CY "I have not been following all of the messages in this thread, so if I am repeating something I am sorry. Have you checked grounds? Also have you checked to make sure that all of the Colex connectors are tight and have you tried receiving all of the plugs on the K-3? Thank you and Merry Christmas from WB6 I VfI am dictating this message through Siri, so I apologize for spelling and grammar. Sent from my iPhone this time" On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Gerry leary wrote: > > I have not been following all of the messages in this thread, so if I am > repeating something I am sorry. Have you checked grounds? Also have you > checked to make sure that all of the Colex connectors are tight and have > you tried receiving all of the plugs on the K-3? Thank you and Merry > Christmas from WB6 I VfI am dictating this message through Siri, so I > apologize for spelling and grammar. > > Sent from my iPhone this time > > > On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Bruce Chadbourne < > bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Don, et. al. > > Thanks for the replies. I can repeat this problem (a good thing) at 20m > CW > > around 14.115 Mhz. > > Power supply (Astron VS-35M, front panel meters) showing proper voltage, > > and current knob set toward max. > > At 14.050, SWR reads 1.0 on the K3. Power set at 100w. Voltage reads > 13.8v, > > then with key down, K3 meter says 23 amps, voltage drops to 12.6v No > HI > > CUR warning. > > > > At 14.115, SWR still 1.0, 100 watts, 13.8v, put the key down, the HI CUR > > warning appears most of the time (so I can't read voltage/amp on K3 > meter). > > One time it didn't show, and current was still 23-ish amps, and voltage > > 12.6; at which point I realized the rig had automatically reduced power > > from 100 to 88 watts. The ammeter on the Power supply reads about 17 > amps > > at both freqs, with and without HI CUR warning. The power supply voltage > > meter does not show the deflection below 13v, stays rock steady. That > seems > > to say the voltage drop under load is happening at the terminals or power > > cord > > > > Per your suggestion I checked the lugs on the back of the power supply - > > very firm, but I guess I'll disconnect the leads and clean them and > repeat > > the test. > > I guess my question to the experts in the group: does a 1.2 volt drop at > > the rig sound normal at 100w? I am using the power lead that came with > the > > K3 kit; it looks healthy, hasn't been out of the shack on any field day > ops > > > > > >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > >> > >> Bruce, > >> > >> I would expect a Hi REFL message rather than Hi Cur if SWR was the > problem. > >> Check your power supply connections. If you have bolts and nuts on the > >> power supply output terminals, if the bolts turn (even slightly) when > you > >> tighten the nuts, you will have to dig inside the power supply to fully > >> tighten the bolts to the lugs on the inside. > >> > >> With Elecraft gear, a low power supply voltage will result in a higher > >> current draw from the power supply. Elecraft gear seeks to maintain the > >> requested power output, and a low supply voltage means that the current > >> must increase to maintain the power level. > >> > >> 73, > >> Don W3FPR > >> > >> > >>> On 12/14/2014 4:18 PM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > >>> > >>> To the list: > >>> > >>> I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my > >>> power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR > is > >>> too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU > which > >>> confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. > >>> So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? > > > > -- > > Bruce Chadbourne PgMP > > 1034 W Beagle Run Loop > > Hernando, FL 34442 > > 352-453-5456 > > > > If urgent, the best way to reach me is by phone. Thank you. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gerryleary99 at me.com > -- Bruce Chadbourne PgMP 1034 W Beagle Run Loop Hernando, FL 34442 352-453-5456 If urgent, the best way to reach me is by phone. Thank you. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 15 22:03:31 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: <548F0A3E.8080306@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <548FA103.4080408@embarqmail.com> Bruce, It would appear to me that something has happened in your 20 meter Low Pass Filter. The K3 should develop 100 watts with about 17 amps of current. As I indicated previously, the most common problem would be with the LPF. Contact K3support for additional assistance and steps to resolution. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2014 9:19 PM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > Don, et. al. > Thanks for the replies. I can repeat this problem (a good thing) at 20m CW > around 14.115 Mhz. > Power supply (Astron VS-35M, front panel meters) showing proper voltage, > and current knob set toward max. > At 14.050, SWR reads 1.0 on the K3. Power set at 100w. Voltage reads 13.8v, > then with key down, K3 meter says 23 amps, voltage drops to 12.6v No HI > CUR warning. > > At 14.115, SWR still 1.0, 100 watts, 13.8v, put the key down, the HI CUR > warning appears most of the time (so I can't read voltage/amp on K3 meter). > One time it didn't show, and current was still 23-ish amps, and voltage > 12.6; at which point I realized the rig had automatically reduced power > from 100 to 88 watts. The ammeter on the Power supply reads about 17 amps > at both freqs, with and without HI CUR warning. The power supply voltage > meter does not show the deflection below 13v, stays rock steady. That seems > to say the voltage drop under load is happening at the terminals or power > cord > > Per your suggestion I checked the lugs on the back of the power supply - > very firm, but I guess I'll disconnect the leads and clean them and repeat > the test. > I guess my question to the experts in the group: does a 1.2 volt drop at > the rig sound normal at 100w? I am using the power lead that came with the > K3 kit; it looks healthy, hasn't been out of the shack on any field day ops > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Bruce, >> >> I would expect a Hi REFL message rather than Hi Cur if SWR was the problem. >> Check your power supply connections. If you have bolts and nuts on the >> power supply output terminals, if the bolts turn (even slightly) when you >> tighten the nuts, you will have to dig inside the power supply to fully >> tighten the bolts to the lugs on the inside. >> >> With Elecraft gear, a low power supply voltage will result in a higher >> current draw from the power supply. Elecraft gear seeks to maintain the >> requested power output, and a low supply voltage means that the current >> must increase to maintain the power level. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 12/14/2014 4:18 PM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: >> >>> To the list: >>> >>> I occasionally get the Hi Current warning on my K3. I notice it cuts my >>> power back about 10% from 100w. My initial assumption is that my SWR is >>> too high - but the SWR meter is easily less than 2.0 I run the ATU which >>> confirms SWR about 1.2 or so. >>> So what am I missing - something bad in my transmission line? >>> >>> From gerry at w1ve.com Mon Dec 15 22:19:25 2014 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> Message-ID: Here's a 144MHz 1.5Kw water-cooled LDMOS amplifier putting out full power in a June VHF contest, with me operating at W2SZ/1. It was a cloudy day, and the amp was so cool, in fact, we were worried about condensation. Look at the size! The power supply is a 50v/50a surplus PC supply off of ebay. The amp was built by Brian Justin, WA1ZMS. I have found cold plates on the surplus market. Every once in a while, Electronic Surplus Sales in Manchester, NH has em. Amp in Action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vegBv6ddAUA 73 Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: > > I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid > cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates have been > around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much better > solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, quiet, require far > less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air could > ever and enable higher reliability. > > Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: > http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/ > pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf > > If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power > supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in > your shack. > > 73 > > David > G3UNA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 22:35:21 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:35:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5702 - Done Message-ID: <755C6AA7-8338-4F53-A044-07A100C7992E@gmail.com> Got busy tonight? KSB2 board installed, first contact old friends VE3CPK (ex-KC9X) and N9LAZ? Havent talked to either of these guys in a long time.. Got great report on the new KSB2 board. Then took out the Hakko again? Installed the KPA100, aligned it and tested it out - now have 100 watts out. Done.. See ya on 40 CW.. de KG9H From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 22:32:45 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:32:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: Water intrusion? 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > > The good news is that I called MFJ, got a technician immediately, he agreed that the 30M trap is the problem, and said he would send me a new one under warranty. Elecraft-style service (so far). > > The bad news is that despite the statement in the manual that it is rated at "1500W CW," he told me not to exceed 800-1000 watts. Not Elecraft-style design/documentation! > > So if you have an R8 or similar antenna, be warned. I wasn't tuning up or running RTTY -- I was calling CQ on 40M running about 1200W. > > Other bands are unchanged but 30 and 40M are gone. > > Thanks to everyone that responded. > >> On 15 Dec 2014 15:07, David Cole wrote: >> Hi, >> >> No matter what happens, you will probably end up taking the antenna >> down... If nothing else to check to be sure it is fine... >> >> Grab an analyzer and connect it as close to the antenna base as >> possible, and see if it is resonant on all bands... Probably won't >> anymore. If you are lucky, it is some strange feedline thing, or a >> connector issue, but having the antenna work on some bands, while not on >> others reeks of blown trap. I fear your diagnosis is in fact >> correct... >> >> If you are going to "fix" it, and if it were me, I would get a trapless >> antenna of some sort... No traps blow. I currently use a GAP >> Challenger DX, (trapless), and have a band by band review of it at: >> http://nk7z.net/review-of-the-challenger-dx-antenna-by-gap-antenna/ >> >> The antenna takes power, and does not break, I have run 1000 Watts into >> it on RTTY for 15 minutes with no issues. I have had it up for at least >> 7 years, and I think 10 or more years. Never a problem beyond the three >> radials coming off once... It is a pretty good performer on 40, and 20. >> I finally got one of the mono gaps, and it does a good job. I do take >> it down every few years and check things, and change out anything that >> looks like it is going bad. > > > -- > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > Rehovot, Israel > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon Dec 15 22:40:15 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review (some impriovements in the manuals required) Message-ID: <489780350.391154.1418701215686.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10931.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> ? Irecently built a Elecraft KX1 for a local ham in VR2 who cannot DIY himself dueto some reasons.? This KX1 comes with theKXB3080 30/80 module and KXAT1 ATU module.?I would like to share with you some of my experience and views duringthe construction process.?Theconstruction of the basic KX1 was straight forward and required less skill thanK2.? Although the manual of KX1 is wellwritten, it does not clearly take into account the possibly of the futureconstruction of KXB3080 and KXAT1.? Thisis the major deficiency of the manual and I would not expect that from Elecraftafter constructing many K2s in the past.?Thespace tolerance with the installation of KXB3080 and KXAT1 is very tightespecially near the low pass filters L1 & L2 area.? Therefore, the construction manual of KX1should forth warn and draw the builder great attention:? - Page 32 of the KX1 manual, C46-C49, C54 should be soldered at the top (i.e.component) side with all the legs cut flush at the bottom side.? This will give more space for the futureinstallation of LPF1 (tiny PCB) of KXB3080. - Don W3FPR had kindly sent me one page note of ?building KXB3080 withoutunsoldering (almost)? which was extremely useful.? This literature should be included in the KX1manual.? The tinyLPF1 pcb of KXB3080 is to be situated in the tight space formed between the C46-C49& C54 area of KX1 and R3-R4 & C10 area of KXAT1.? Therefore, Page 3 of KXAT1 manual, R3, R4& C10 should be soldered on the component side and cut flush on the otherside.?To summarize: - Construction of KXB3080 especially the LPF1 low pass filter required a higherskill level similar to K2 and definitely nothing like beginner?s level; - Don W3FPR literature mentioned above should be included with the KX1manual as a standard reference. ?Finally,back to performance, KX1 is a real nice little QRP radio with good RXselectivity and sensitivity.? However, the radio is very expensive when you add up the KXB3080 and KXAT1.? Try to compare with K1, K2 and KX3 in termsof price Vs performance before making your purchase decision. 73, Johnny VR2XMC? From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon Dec 15 22:48:40 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review (some impriovements in the manuals required) In-Reply-To: <489780350.391154.1418701215686.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10931.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <489780350.391154.1418701215686.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10931.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <577617112.395178.1418701720572.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10926.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Re-sent in a better text format: I recently built a Elecraft KX1 for a local ham in VR2 who cannot DIY himself dueto some reasons. This KX1 comes with the KXB3080 30/80 module and KXAT1 ATU module. I would like to share with you some of my experience and views during the construction process. The construction of the basic KX1 was straight forward and required less skill than K2. Although the manual of KX1 is well written, it does not clearly take into account the possibly of the future construction of KXB3080 and KXAT1. This is the major deficiency of the manual and I would not expect that from Elecraft after constructing many K2s in the past. The space tolerance with the installation of KXB3080 and KXAT1 is very tight especially near the low pass filters L1 & L2 area. Therefore, the construction manual of KX1 should forth warn and draw the builder great attention: 1. - Page 32 of the KX1 manual, C46-C49, C54 should be soldered at the top (i.e.component) side with all the legs cut flush at the bottom side. This will give more space for the future installation of LPF1 (tiny PCB) of KXB3080. 2. - Don W3FPR had kindly sent me one page note of ?building KXB3080 without unsoldering (almost)? which was extremely useful. This literature should be included in the KX1 manual. The tiny LPF1 pcb of KXB3080 is to be situated in the tight space formed between the C46-C49& C54 area of KX1 and R3-R4 & C10 area of KXAT1. Therefore, Page 3 of KXAT1 manual, R3, R4& C10 should be soldered on the component side and cut flush on the other side. To summarize: 1. - Construction of KXB3080 especially the LPF1 low pass filter required a higher skill level similar to K2 and definitely nothing like beginner?s level; 2. - Don W3FPR literature mentioned above should be included with the KX1 manual as a standard reference. Finally, back to performance, KX1 is a real nice little QRP radio with good RX selectivity and sensitivity. However, the radio is very expensive when you add up the KXB3080 and KXAT1. Try to compare with K1, K2 and KX3 in terms of price Vs performance before making your purchase decision. 73, Johnny VR2XMC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Dec 15 23:18:05 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:18:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5702 - Done In-Reply-To: <755C6AA7-8338-4F53-A044-07A100C7992E@gmail.com> References: <755C6AA7-8338-4F53-A044-07A100C7992E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <548FB27D.9090405@socal.rr.com> Very good, Frank. But now what will you do for building fun? :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/15/14 7:35 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > Got busy tonight? > > KSB2 board installed, first contact old friends VE3CPK (ex-KC9X) and N9LAZ? > Havent talked to either of these guys in a long time.. Got great report on the new KSB2 board. > > Then took out the Hakko again? > Installed the KPA100, aligned it and tested it out - now have 100 watts out. > > Done.. > > See ya on 40 CW.. de KG9H From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Dec 15 23:22:43 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Stahl via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:22:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <548F90D1.5010901@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> <548F8DAF.9060201@aol.com> <548F90D1.5010901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <8D1E6FF1241751E-1428-47AA9@webmail-va085.sysops.aol.com> A real world data point: I recently ordered two MFJ 17 ft telescoping masts, which arrived today. Not exactly high tech. One of them was defective - a section that was jammed and would not come apart, along with an adjacent joint that felt way too loose. HRO had me ship it back to them, and I'm sure they will replace it with a good one. But I've wasted $7 bucks to mail it back, plus time going to and waiting at the post office. Fortunately I don't need it right away. But definitely a example of poor quality control. 73 - Jim K8MR -----Original Message----- From: Jim Brown To: elecraft Sent: Mon, Dec 15, 2014 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Blown trap? On Mon,12/15/2014 5:41 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > MFJ is always a good news/bad news company. IMO the only good news about the MFJ companies is the same as the most common bad news -- CHEAP. Cheap construction, poor or non-existent quality control, poor support. I consider them a very poor corporate citizen, because their low prices push better products from better companies out of the market. Little difference from what WalMart has done to "main street" businesses. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ From phils at riousa.com Mon Dec 15 23:41:07 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:41:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 11/30/2014 In-Reply-To: <75C82150-1F45-4156-AA9D-46387E61974D@riousa.com> References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com> <0373FB1F-7227-45CD-90D6-A58233268644@riousa.com> <0F2EFBC9-807B-4076-BEA7-0D1E0EFA932E@riousa.com> <3440EB84-AAB2-4074-BA30-D518495E8C15@riousa.com> <4E04B3B5-2103-4F1B-9A4B-F5BCF9E324BF@riousa.com> <1027B2D2-BFDF-425E-B36A-68ECB20F97AF@riousa.com> <024F45C3-0B0E-4236-A269-BE0309474B54@riousa.com> <1A408DE9-0AEC-47C8-A591-E7B02DFDBAEC@riousa.com> <0AEF6092-2A7F-477E-B6CB-C0A6255B298B@riousa.com> <9CE1E9D7-6CE3-4248-BD5A-2D75F68B6492@riousa.com> <233D3512-FD5D-467D-A0C2-664C20ED7F73@riousa.com> <3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF 6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com> <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com> <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com> <58C5E613-F4D3-44B1-86D0-5984520EE834@riousa.com> <153371D3-9186-4D37-8172-12FB6332149E@riousa.com> <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> <75C82150-1F45-4156-AA9D-46387E61974D@riousa.com> Message-ID: <96B2B494-3DA5-4CDC-830F-34F38C3EF150@riousa.com> Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from November 30, 2014. We had 36 participants. Station Name QTH Rig S/N KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 K7EMF Gary WA K3 4628 AA7F Arlen WA K3 8115 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 N6JW John CA K3 936 KC9USC Robert NV KX3 4460 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 W0CZ Ken ND K3 457 AB7CE Roy MT K2 40 QRP KG6TGC Greg CA IC7000 K6WDE Dave CA KX3 4599 N0MEU Jay CO KX3 4351 N7GOD Galen WA K2 6533 ZL1PWD Peter NZ K3 139 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 W8OV Dave TX K3 3139 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 WW4JF John TN K3 6185 KD7BCF Wes OR KX3 7071 KD4PS Dave IL KX3 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP KD0MOA John CO KX3 3560 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 KG2U Tom NY K3 6247 W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843 K9JC Joe OH K3 6623 K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 KC9LIF Kent IL K3 6896 QRP K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP W5KSU Mike OK K2 3669 QRP WB7SDE Eric WA K3 8312 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 00:17:10 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:17:10 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5702 - Done In-Reply-To: <548FB27D.9090405@socal.rr.com> References: <755C6AA7-8338-4F53-A044-07A100C7992E@gmail.com> <548FB27D.9090405@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <72822E89-3970-4987-AB41-D61CB3A73D28@gmail.com> I think his K2 needs a panadapter :-) 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 16 Dec 2014, at 3:18 pm, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Very good, Frank. But now what will you do for building fun? :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > >> On 12/15/14 7:35 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> Got busy tonight? >> >> KSB2 board installed, first contact old friends VE3CPK (ex-KC9X) and N9LAZ? >> Havent talked to either of these guys in a long time.. Got great report on the new KSB2 board. >> >> Then took out the Hakko again? >> Installed the KPA100, aligned it and tested it out - now have 100 watts out. >> >> Done.. >> >> See ya on 40 CW.. de KG9H > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From rick at tavan.com Tue Dec 16 00:27:21 2014 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:27:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3: Span shifting beyond band edges Message-ID: <548FC2B9.2060902@tavan.com> The P3 FixMode menu provides a great set of optional algorithms for what happens when you tune the radio beyond the current SPAN. I usually use Half Span which is great until it eventually moves a display edge below or above the current ham band. Although that would be fine for SWLing outside the ham bands, for amateur operation it would be very nice to have it stop at the band edge. Call it something like "Half Span in Band?" Any chance? /Rick N6XI From dezrat at outlook.com Tue Dec 16 00:39:30 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:39:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] fldigi and K3 frequency readout Message-ID: Just learning how to use fldigi with my K3. Got everything working, almost. I'm using fldigi with the bridge to DXLab. As long as I have the K3 in USB mode, the frequency readout in fldigi is correct, both the dial freq and the dial+audio freq. But when I change the K3 to data-a mode, the dial+audio readout is wrong, showing only the dial freq. Also, if I have the K3 in data-a mode and I change modes in fldigi, the K3 goes back to USB. I could just leave the K3 in USB mode all the time, but that means changing the mic input back and forth from line in each time I change modes. I hope I made that clear. Is there a fix for this? 73, Bill W6WRT From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 16 03:34:43 2014 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:34:43 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net><548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net><64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> Message-ID: <125B1339E5074928B103523718982277@DavidPC> Thanks for showing us that, Gerry, be nice to see more of the water works. Do you have any pics of the build? David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Hull To: David Cutter Cc: Reflector Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] Here's a 144MHz 1.5Kw water-cooled LDMOS amplifier putting out full power in a June VHF contest, with me operating at W2SZ/1. It was a cloudy day, and the amp was so cool, in fact, we were worried about condensation. Look at the size! The power supply is a 50v/50a surplus PC supply off of ebay. The amp was built by Brian Justin, WA1ZMS. I have found cold plates on the surplus market. Every once in a while, Electronic Surplus Sales in Manchester, NH has em. Amp in Action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vegBv6ddAUA 73 Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates have been around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much better solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air could ever and enable higher reliability. Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in your shack. 73 David G3UNA From elecraft at g4fre.com Tue Dec 16 03:47:23 2014 From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:47:23 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002501d0190c$ea3e2e70$beba8b50$@com> Hopefully the manufacturers will produce GAN devices that operate that low in frequency. Currently available ones do 3GHz and above. I have one producing 50W at 10Ghz and another 70W at 3.4GHz neither will even go down to 1.2GHz Dave G4FRE Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:53:24 -0700 From: Myron WV?H To: Kevin Stover Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO Message-ID: <5524275A-B2D7-4A9D-86BF-D0E9F1BC0300 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Soon GaN will hold possibilities. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data From dezrat at outlook.com Tue Dec 16 09:43:42 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 06:43:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] fldigi and K3 frequency readout In-Reply-To: <951676711.715887.1418715376161.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10635.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <951676711.715887.1418715376161.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10635.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:36:16 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: >Bill, all you need to do is once you change to digital is hold the mode /alt down until it read rev over the top ofthe digital and that will switch to the other SSB mode. >Not hard once you done it a few times.? > >Good Luck.Bill W0WFH REPLY: That's not the problem but thanks for trying. The problem is that when the K3 is in either USB or LSB in data-a mode, the dial freq+audio offset shown in fldigi is incorrect. 73, Bill W6WRT From raysills3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 09:54:34 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown trap? In-Reply-To: <8D1E6FF1241751E-1428-47AA9@webmail-va085.sysops.aol.com> References: <548EB551.7020200@gmail.com> <1418648876.7460.89.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <548F1A21.9050304@gmail.com> <548F8DAF.9060201@aol.com> <548F90D1.5010901@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8D1E6FF1241751E-1428-47AA9@webmail-va085.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <609ABACC-6DB0-4CF1-92BE-5BBDC7C349F6@verizon.net> HI Jim: Sorry to hear about the QC issue. You'd think that HRO would have looked at them to make sure that there were OK. Well, maybe they were in a sealed package. As I see it, HRO should at least reimburse you for your return postage... and then bill MFJ for that cost. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > A real world data point: > > > I recently ordered two MFJ 17 ft telescoping masts, which arrived > today. Not exactly high tech. One of them was defective - a section > that was jammed and would not come apart, along with an adjacent > joint that felt way too loose. > > > HRO had me ship it back to them, and I'm sure they will replace it > with a good one. But I've wasted $7 bucks to mail it back, plus time > going to and waiting at the post office. > > > Fortunately I don't need it right away. But definitely a example of > poor quality control. > > > > > 73 - Jim K8MR > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 16 10:09:11 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:09:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] fldigi and K3 frequency readout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54904B17.3030306@embarqmail.com> Bill, I don't think there is an Elecraft fix for that. Other digital applications get it correct while others do not. Some are not even aware that the K3 has a DATA mode with sub-modes and force USB or LSB. It is not likely an Fldigi problem - because Fldigi uses other applications (e.g. Hamlib or RigCat) for transceiver control. My guess is that the problem may be with how the DXLab bridge handles the K3 frequency and offsets when in DATA mode. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/16/2014 12:39 AM, Bill Turner wrote: > Just learning how to use fldigi with my K3. Got everything working, > almost. I'm using fldigi with the bridge to DXLab. > > As long as I have the K3 in USB mode, the frequency readout in fldigi > is correct, both the dial freq and the dial+audio freq. But when I > change the K3 to data-a mode, the dial+audio readout is wrong, showing > only the dial freq. Also, if I have the K3 in data-a mode and I > change modes in fldigi, the K3 goes back to USB. > > I could just leave the K3 in USB mode all the time, but that means > changing the mic input back and forth from line in each time I change > modes. > > I hope I made that clear. Is there a fix for this? > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 10:15:04 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:15:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI Current In-Reply-To: References: <548F0A3E.8080306@embarqmail.com> <8CD9F785-7F8F-4277-941D-81FAA7504ACB@icloud.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Bruce Chadbourne < bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com> wrote: > > Somebody else mentioned the Anderson pole connector - I've been in good > shape for several years so I expect it had been assembled correctly; but > I'm wondering if the connector surfaces are known for oxidizing? > Bruce / KE1CY > ALL connector surfaces except silver and gold (and under some conditions even silver) are candidates for oxidizing. A high current episode is a good time to go over all the contacts. That's not only to find the problem, but especially and primarily, to perform maintenance to prevent the usual deterioration of contacts over time before it shows up ugly in a contest or when you're after that rare DX you've been chasing for ten years. I vote with Don on the 20m LP filter. Do contact K3 support. 73, Guy From dezrat at outlook.com Tue Dec 16 10:27:50 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:27:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] fldigi and K3 frequency readout In-Reply-To: <54904B17.3030306@embarqmail.com> References: <54904B17.3030306@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:09:11 -0500, you wrote: > >Bill, > >I don't think there is an Elecraft fix for that. Other digital >applications get it correct while others do not. Some are not even >aware that the K3 has a DATA mode with sub-modes and force USB or LSB. > >It is not likely an Fldigi problem - because Fldigi uses other >applications (e.g. Hamlib or RigCat) for transceiver control. >My guess is that the problem may be with how the DXLab bridge handles >the K3 frequency and offsets when in DATA mode. > >73, >Don W3FPR REPLY: I suspect your diagnosis is right, Don. I was just hoping. Thanks. 73, Bill W6WRT From lists at subich.com Tue Dec 16 10:32:18 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:32:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] fldigi and K3 frequency readout In-Reply-To: <54904B17.3030306@embarqmail.com> References: <54904B17.3030306@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54905082.5010004@subich.com> > It is not likely an Fldigi problem - because Fldigi uses other > applications (e.g. Hamlib or RigCat) for transceiver control. > My guess is that the problem may be with how the DXLab bridge handles > the K3 frequency and offsets when in DATA mode. It's not a matter of Hamlib, RigCat or the DXLab bridge. Fldigi simply refuses to acknowledge the multiple digital submodes in the K3 or apply audio correction to either DATA_A or AFSK_A. The issue also shows in fldigi's failure to get the sideband sense correct in AFSK_A ... the developers of fldigi simply do not care about the transceiver control details (it's not just the K3). As far as they are concerned the details of the individual rig control are immaterial and only cause anomalous behavior. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-16 10:09 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > > I don't think there is an Elecraft fix for that. Other digital > applications get it correct while others do not. Some are not even > aware that the K3 has a DATA mode with sub-modes and force USB or LSB. > > It is not likely an Fldigi problem - because Fldigi uses other > applications (e.g. Hamlib or RigCat) for transceiver control. > My guess is that the problem may be with how the DXLab bridge handles > the K3 frequency and offsets when in DATA mode. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/16/2014 12:39 AM, Bill Turner wrote: >> Just learning how to use fldigi with my K3. Got everything working, >> almost. I'm using fldigi with the bridge to DXLab. >> >> As long as I have the K3 in USB mode, the frequency readout in fldigi >> is correct, both the dial freq and the dial+audio freq. But when I >> change the K3 to data-a mode, the dial+audio readout is wrong, showing >> only the dial freq. Also, if I have the K3 in data-a mode and I >> change modes in fldigi, the K3 goes back to USB. >> >> I could just leave the K3 in USB mode all the time, but that means >> changing the mic input back and forth from line in each time I change >> modes. >> >> I hope I made that clear. Is there a fix for this? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 16 10:34:14 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:34:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review (some impriovements in the manuals required) In-Reply-To: <577617112.395178.1418701720572.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10926.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> References: <489780350.391154.1418701215686.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10931.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> <577617112.395178.1418701720572.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10926.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <549050F6.1030203@socal.rr.com> A reasonable assessment, Johnny. Of course the KX1 was designed as the ultimate Trail-Friendly Radio (TFR) and that it is! 73, Phil W7OX On 12/15/14 7:48 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Re-sent in a better text format: > > I recently built a Elecraft KX1 for a local ham in VR2 who cannot DIY himself dueto some reasons. This KX1 comes with the KXB3080 30/80 module and KXAT1 ATU module. I would like to share with you some of my experience and views during the construction process. > > The construction of the basic KX1 was straight forward and required less skill than K2. Although the manual of KX1 is well written, it does not clearly take into account the possibly of the future construction of KXB3080 and KXAT1. This is the major deficiency of the manual and I would not expect that from Elecraft after constructing many K2s in the past. > > The space tolerance with the installation of KXB3080 and KXAT1 is very tight especially near the low pass filters L1 & L2 area. Therefore, the construction manual of KX1 should forth warn and draw the builder great attention: > > 1. - Page 32 of the KX1 manual, C46-C49, C54 should be soldered at the top (i.e.component) side with all the legs cut flush at the bottom side. This will give more space for the future installation of LPF1 (tiny PCB) of KXB3080. > 2. - Don W3FPR had kindly sent me one page note of ?building KXB3080 without unsoldering (almost)? which was extremely useful. This literature should be included in the KX1 manual. > > The tiny LPF1 pcb of KXB3080 is to be situated in the tight space formed between the C46-C49& C54 area of KX1 and R3-R4 & C10 area of KXAT1. Therefore, Page 3 of KXAT1 manual, R3, R4& C10 should be soldered on the component side and cut flush on the other side. > > To summarize: > 1. - Construction of KXB3080 especially the LPF1 low pass filter required a higher skill level similar to K2 and definitely nothing like beginner?s level; > 2. - Don W3FPR literature mentioned above should be included with the KX1 manual as a standard reference. > > Finally, back to performance, KX1 is a real nice little QRP radio with good RX selectivity and sensitivity. However, the radio is very expensive when you add up the KXB3080 and KXAT1. Try to compare with K1, K2 and KX3 in terms of price Vs performance before making your purchase decision. > > 73, > Johnny VR2XMC From w0fm at swbell.net Tue Dec 16 10:39:31 2014 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:39:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 connections Message-ID: <003401d01946$7ca13850$75e3a8f0$@net> Hi Rick, My local Radio Shack still offers 2.5mm stereo plugs. It would be about a 3 minute job to solder the free cable leads to it, even if my solder station was dead cold to start. Good luck. Terry W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Rick Dettinger [mailto:k7mw78 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:01 PM To: don at w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 connections Thanks Don, I did read the instructions wrong. I was distracted by the idea that the KXPA100 would be "plug and play" with the companion KX3 transceiver. Since it is unlikely that I will be able to find a cable with an RCA plug on one end, and a 2.5 mm stereo plg on the other, without tip wire, it looks like a custom job. I don't know if I would have a use for the features of the KXCABLE, since I don't have a high power amp, a KXAT100 or a computer in my shack. I do appreciate the fact that it would be necessary to modify connection cables for unknown brand X transceivers. 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Tue Dec 16 11:22:01 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:22:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Which terminal program for contesting/etc with K3 Message-ID: <54905C29.9050909@sunflower.com> Hey Guys, Wondering about which software package to use with my new and now built K3 Kit? By the way; love the radio. Particularly like the CWT feature. I op primarily CW but will want to do some of the digital modes as well. I like DXing and contesting. I want to optimize performance for those two activities. I'm currently running with the N3FJP software (disc set) and use that for contest logs and general logging to LoTW/eQSL. I also have the MPLAB dsPIC kit, planning there to experiment with some additional DSP filtering at output points on the K3. I've heard of N1MM and several others. Curious on opinions of which way to go, including dual monitors for my Dell OPTIPLEX 7010 running with system 7. tnx, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 11:44:14 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:44:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> Message-ID: <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> If one wanted to use one of these to cool an LDMOS VHF KW, where would one find the design info to calculate which cold plate would provide sufficient cooling ? I envision a stack something like this: LDMOS PC Board Copper Heatsink (thickness need be determined) Cold Plate Aluminum Heat Sink (is this really necessary ?). 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/14/2014 4:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: > I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested > liquid cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates > have been around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view > a much better solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, > quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more > stable than air could ever and enable higher reliability. > > Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: > http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf > > > If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power > supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, > not in your shack. > > 73 > > David > G3UNA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From wes at triconet.org Tue Dec 16 12:27:31 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54906B83.8000804@triconet.org> Unless you want to run fresh water down the drain (in Arizona we don't do this) you have to get the heat into the air someplace. I'm not sure that running water lines to outside air is much easier than getting coax through a concrete wall. Speaking of difficult, the U.S. Navy AIM-54A Phoenix Missile which with I was intimately familiar, used oil (Coolanol) cooling. Chassis were mounted on cold plates and the vacuum tube modulator and pulse transformer were immersed in oil and it also circulated through the PA klystron. Lines ran from the missile umbilical to the wing or belly mounted launchers then to the F4 aircraft where a conditioning unit resided. The stuff was insidious to work with. I ruined lots of clothes, And it was hygroscopic, just the thing to use on a ship-borne system. Wes N7WS > > On 12/14/2014 4:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: >> I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid >> cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates have been >> around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much better >> solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, quiet, require far less >> cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air could ever and >> enable higher reliability. >> >> Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: >> http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf >> >> >> If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power supply >> on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in your shack. >> >> 73 >> >> David >> G3UNA >> > From K5WA at Comcast.net Tue Dec 16 12:33:46 2014 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:33:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware 5.01 Message-ID: <014301d01956$72bc9db0$5835d910$@net> Wasn't firmware version 5.01 supposed to be posted somewhere by now? I don't see it in the FTP beta list. I've requested it directly a couple of times but I think other projects are in front of me. ;-) I'm just dying to see why everybody is so excited about this release. Bob K5WA From johnn1jm at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 13:01:10 2014 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:01:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS:KX3, PX3 Message-ID: <1418752870410-7596061.post@n2.nabble.com> KX3-K, #926 with roofing filter, 160/80M IMD factory upgrade, antenna tuner, KUSB, cable set, latest firmware, upgraded vfo A encoder, NO OTHER OPTIONS! Never portable or mobile, mostly used as a third receiver. PX3-K, #0563, 2 months old. All in like new condition with manuals and cables. Hardly used. Original owner, nonsmoking environment, $1450, package only, Shipping extra, USPS MO, PayPal plus fees. CONUS only, US based hams with US call signs only. NO TRADES! Contact me off list, please. 73, John N1JM johnn1jm at gmail dot com ----- 73, John N1JM K3 #5986 P3 #1752 KPA500 #596 KX3 #926 XG3 XG1 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-KX3-PX3-tp7596061.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 16 13:10:31 2014 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:10:31 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net><64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54E3414EE13044B5B1D8892298658DFB@DavidPC> Hi Dick Start from the LDMOS data sheet and work out the temperature you wish to keep within at the junction. Because water cooling is so good, you can choose either to run the device cooler than you would with air cooling to improve reliability, or stick to the same temperature and get more power / use a smaller cooling plate / use less water. There's a direct relationship between reliability and temperature, but it's not linear. Then use the temperature rise per W rating of the device to get to the surface temperature. In work I did >10 years ago all devices were directly bolted to the liquid-cooled plate without an intermediate spreader, however, these LDMOS devices are so small (ie very high heat density) there is a good reason to spread the heat out first before cooling proper takes place, I'm somewhat hazy what thickness, but you must achieve good flatness of contact against the plate. Some very large devices eg IGBTs and rectifiers the size of your open hand are supplied curved and the bolting-down process achieves the flatness with the correct torque setting on the bolts. Then you do the same sums as you do with air cooling ie temperature rise v watts dissipated from the heat sink data. Say you want to dissipate 1kW of heat continuously (eg in a data contest) then a small 2 pass model would give you around 90 to 100K rise at the surface of the plate with 1 US gallon per minute, whereas a 4 pass model would give you around 20K rise on a 152mm length plate. This of course assumes that the heat is being delivered into the plate evenly over the whole surface, ie using a spreader. Heat sink paste adds a little to the thermal gradient and is needed in very small amounts, evenly spread. Do the sums several times with different criteria until you get to the one you feel comfortable with. If you live in a cold climate you can dump the heat into a small central heating radiator to keep the shack warm and no fans required just an aquarian pump to run it; if you live in a hot place, then put the radiator on the shade side of the house or even bury it. If water is abundant, eg river water or a pond, you can re-cycle it back to the source. You can make your own water cooling plate, see here a small example cooling a dozen TO-220 devices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGpau-raMho Somebody here will check my sums I'm sure. 73 David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Solomon" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] > If one wanted to use one of these to cool an LDMOS VHF KW, where would > one find the design info to calculate which cold plate would provide > sufficient > cooling ? > > I envision a stack something like this: > > LDMOS PC Board > Copper Heatsink (thickness need be determined) > Cold Plate > Aluminum Heat Sink (is this really necessary ?). > > 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 12/14/2014 4:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: >> I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested liquid >> cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold plates have been >> around for a long time, are economical to use and in my view a much >> better solution than forced air cooling. They are compact, quiet, require >> far less cabinet space, keep junctions cooler and more stable than air >> could ever and enable higher reliability. >> >> Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: >> http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf >> >> If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the power >> supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere convenient, not in >> your shack. >> >> 73 >> >> David >> G3UNA >> From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Dec 16 13:22:37 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:22:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware 5.01 In-Reply-To: <014301d01956$72bc9db0$5835d910$@net> References: <014301d01956$72bc9db0$5835d910$@net> Message-ID: <031883D8-7306-49E4-8FCA-502E31EA5DFF@elecraft.com> Should be there soon. Wayne N6KR On Dec 16, 2014, at 9:33 AM, K5WA wrote: > Wasn't firmware version 5.01 supposed to be posted somewhere by now? I > don't see it in the FTP beta list. I've requested it directly a couple of > times but I think other projects are in front of me. ;-) > > I'm just dying to see why everybody is so excited about this release. > > Bob K5WA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 16 14:06:24 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:06:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <54E3414EE13044B5B1D8892298658DFB@DavidPC> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net><64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> <54E3414EE13044B5B1D8892298658DFB@DavidPC> Message-ID: <549082B0.10206@aol.com> This is really a fascinating idea. I have noticed that there are water cooling kits made for computer CPU's. Some of the bigger CPU's run over 225 watts of power. I wonder how applicable one those CPU kits might be. They include a heat sink, pump and radiator. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 12/16/2014 11:10 AM, David Cutter wrote: > Hi Dick > > Start from the LDMOS data sheet and work out the temperature you wish > to keep within at the junction. Because water cooling is so good, you > can choose either to run the device cooler than you would with air > cooling to improve reliability, or stick to the same temperature and > get more power / use a smaller cooling plate / use less water. There's > a direct relationship between reliability and temperature, but it's > not linear. Then use the temperature rise per W rating of the device > to get to the surface temperature. > > In work I did >10 years ago all devices were directly bolted to the > liquid-cooled plate without an intermediate spreader, however, these > LDMOS devices are so small (ie very high heat density) there is a good > reason to spread the heat out first before cooling proper takes place, > I'm somewhat hazy what thickness, but you must achieve good flatness > of contact against the plate. Some very large devices eg IGBTs and > rectifiers the size of your open hand are supplied curved and the > bolting-down process achieves the flatness with the correct torque > setting on the bolts. > Then you do the same sums as you do with air cooling ie temperature > rise v watts dissipated from the heat sink data. > > Say you want to dissipate 1kW of heat continuously (eg in a data > contest) then a small 2 pass model would give you around 90 to 100K > rise at the surface of the plate with 1 US gallon per minute, whereas > a 4 pass model would give you around 20K rise on a 152mm length plate. > This of course assumes that the heat is being delivered into the plate > evenly over the whole surface, ie using a spreader. Heat sink paste > adds a little to the thermal gradient and is needed in very small > amounts, evenly spread. > > Do the sums several times with different criteria until you get to the > one you feel comfortable with. If you live in a cold climate you can > dump the heat into a small central heating radiator to keep the shack > warm and no fans required just an aquarian pump to run it; if you live > in a hot place, then put the radiator on the shade side of the house > or even bury it. If water is abundant, eg river water or a pond, you > can re-cycle it back to the source. > > You can make your own water cooling plate, see here a small example > cooling a dozen TO-220 devices: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGpau-raMho > Somebody here will check my sums I'm sure. > 73 > David > G3UNA > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Solomon" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] > > >> If one wanted to use one of these to cool an LDMOS VHF KW, where would >> one find the design info to calculate which cold plate would provide >> sufficient >> cooling ? >> >> I envision a stack something like this: >> >> LDMOS PC Board >> Copper Heatsink (thickness need be determined) >> Cold Plate >> Aluminum Heat Sink (is this really necessary ?). >> >> 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ >> >> >> On 12/14/2014 4:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: >>> I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested >>> liquid cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold >>> plates have been around for a long time, are economical to use and >>> in my view a much better solution than forced air cooling. They are >>> compact, quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions >>> cooler and more stable than air could ever and enable higher >>> reliability. >>> >>> Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: >>> http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf >>> >>> >>> If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the >>> power supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere >>> convenient, not in your shack. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> David >>> G3UNA >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 16 14:24:50 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Don Rasmussen via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:24:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Analog S-Meter Message-ID: <1418757890.42854.YahooMailNeo@web184306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Anyone seen an external analog S Meter that might be adapted to work with K3? From wa8jxm at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:30:39 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:30:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which terminal program for contesting/etc with K3/second monitors In-Reply-To: <54905C29.9050909@sunflower.com> References: <54905C29.9050909@sunflower.com> Message-ID: > On Dec 16, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Phil Anderson wrote: > > Curious on opinions of which way to go, including dual monitors for my Dell OPTIPLEX 7010 running with system 7. When I got the new Optiplex a few months ago I was seriously considering adding another video card for a second monitor. In the meanwhile I experimented with an old LCD analog only TV that had an HDMI input. It works great as a second monitor, no additional hardware required. You can probably pick up TV?s like that at Walmart for $75 or so. My 22? Samsung monitor is on the regular video out connection and the TV on the HDMI connection. Ken WA8JXM From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:31:12 2014 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:31:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <549082B0.10206@aol.com> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net><64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> <54E3414EE13044B5B1D8892298658DFB@DavidPC> <549082B0.10206@aol.com> Message-ID: <1418758272.31986.30.camel@gmail.com> What might be even more interesting is mineral oil immersion cooling. You would still need a heatsink to conduct heat away from the PA device(s) but the advantage to oil immersion cooling is that it can also efficiently cool all the other parts such as Low pass filter coils, Voltage regulators, power supply etc. It's becoming a thing in High performance computing for servers http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2012/09/04/intel-explores-mineral-oil-cooling/ I guess one of the questions at RF is how much the dielectric constant of the oil will change things and if it's enough that it needs to be taken into account at the design phase. For our application the thermal mass of the oil combined with our duty cycles would also help keep the radiator requirements reasonable I love the idea of having a silent High power Amplifier. On Tue, 2014-12-16 at 12:06 -0700, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > This is really a fascinating idea. I have noticed that there are water > cooling kits made for computer CPU's. Some of the bigger CPU's run over > 225 watts of power. I wonder how applicable one those CPU kits might > be. They include a heat sink, pump and radiator. > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On 12/16/2014 11:10 AM, David Cutter wrote: > > Hi Dick > > > > Start from the LDMOS data sheet and work out the temperature you wish > > to keep within at the junction. Because water cooling is so good, you > > can choose either to run the device cooler than you would with air > > cooling to improve reliability, or stick to the same temperature and > > get more power / use a smaller cooling plate / use less water. There's > > a direct relationship between reliability and temperature, but it's > > not linear. Then use the temperature rise per W rating of the device > > to get to the surface temperature. > > > > In work I did >10 years ago all devices were directly bolted to the > > liquid-cooled plate without an intermediate spreader, however, these > > LDMOS devices are so small (ie very high heat density) there is a good > > reason to spread the heat out first before cooling proper takes place, > > I'm somewhat hazy what thickness, but you must achieve good flatness > > of contact against the plate. Some very large devices eg IGBTs and > > rectifiers the size of your open hand are supplied curved and the > > bolting-down process achieves the flatness with the correct torque > > setting on the bolts. > > Then you do the same sums as you do with air cooling ie temperature > > rise v watts dissipated from the heat sink data. > > > > Say you want to dissipate 1kW of heat continuously (eg in a data > > contest) then a small 2 pass model would give you around 90 to 100K > > rise at the surface of the plate with 1 US gallon per minute, whereas > > a 4 pass model would give you around 20K rise on a 152mm length plate. > > This of course assumes that the heat is being delivered into the plate > > evenly over the whole surface, ie using a spreader. Heat sink paste > > adds a little to the thermal gradient and is needed in very small > > amounts, evenly spread. > > > > Do the sums several times with different criteria until you get to the > > one you feel comfortable with. If you live in a cold climate you can > > dump the heat into a small central heating radiator to keep the shack > > warm and no fans required just an aquarian pump to run it; if you live > > in a hot place, then put the radiator on the shade side of the house > > or even bury it. If water is abundant, eg river water or a pond, you > > can re-cycle it back to the source. > > > > You can make your own water cooling plate, see here a small example > > cooling a dozen TO-220 devices: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGpau-raMho > > Somebody here will check my sums I'm sure. > > 73 > > David > > G3UNA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Solomon" > > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] > > > > > >> If one wanted to use one of these to cool an LDMOS VHF KW, where would > >> one find the design info to calculate which cold plate would provide > >> sufficient > >> cooling ? > >> > >> I envision a stack something like this: > >> > >> LDMOS PC Board > >> Copper Heatsink (thickness need be determined) > >> Cold Plate > >> Aluminum Heat Sink (is this really necessary ?). > >> > >> 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ > >> > >> > >> On 12/14/2014 4:32 PM, David Cutter wrote: > >>> I'm a little surprised that folks in this group haven't suggested > >>> liquid cooling for this modest application. Semiconductor cold > >>> plates have been around for a long time, are economical to use and > >>> in my view a much better solution than forced air cooling. They are > >>> compact, quiet, require far less cabinet space, keep junctions > >>> cooler and more stable than air could ever and enable higher > >>> reliability. > >>> > >>> Look at Aavid for instance, whose devices I used on many occasions: > >>> http://www.aavid.com/sites/default/files/products/liquid/pdf/liquid-cold-plate-datasheet-hicontact.pdf > >>> > >>> > >>> If you play your cards right, you can cool the amplifier and the > >>> power supply on a short 4-pass plate. Put the heat somewhere > >>> convenient, not in your shack. > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> > >>> David > >>> G3UNA > >>> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ From k2mk at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 14:37:32 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:37:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Which terminal program for contesting/etc with K3 In-Reply-To: <54905C29.9050909@sunflower.com> References: <54905C29.9050909@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <1418758652335-7596068.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Phil, Both N1MM and WriteLog are very popular and K3 friendly. And both programs can activate K3 macros if you desire. A second monitor is independent of any program. It's strictly a Windoz thing. You'll be able to slide one or more of the various windows from any contest program to either monitor. If you have a P3 with the SVGA option and one of your monitors has dual or triple input capabilities you'll be able to look at your expanded K3 screen on one monitor and do your contest logging on the other. Push a button on the front of the monitor and it's back to being a second monitor under Windoz control. If you have the desk space you could add a third monitor just for P3/SVGA use. Some station photos on QRZ.com show hams with 3 and 4 monitors. 73, Mike K2MK Phil Anderson wrote > Hey Guys, > > Wondering about which software package to use with my new and now built > K3 Kit? By the way; love the radio. Particularly like the CWT feature. > > I op primarily CW but will want to do some of the digital modes as well. > I like DXing and contesting. I want to optimize performance for those > two activities. I'm currently running with the N3FJP software (disc set) > and use that for contest logs and general logging to LoTW/eQSL. I also > have the MPLAB dsPIC kit, planning there to experiment with some > additional DSP filtering at output points on the K3. > > I've heard of N1MM and several others. Curious on opinions of which way > to go, including dual monitors for my Dell OPTIPLEX 7010 running with > system 7. > > tnx, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-terminal-program-for-contesting-etc-with-K3-tp7596057p7596068.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kk5ib01 at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:48:58 2014 From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:48:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware 5.01 In-Reply-To: <031883D8-7306-49E4-8FCA-502E31EA5DFF@elecraft.com> References: <014301d01956$72bc9db0$5835d910$@net> <031883D8-7306-49E4-8FCA-502E31EA5DFF@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1418759338002-7596069.post@n2.nabble.com> Soon is now. Darryl, KK5IB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-firmware-5-01-tp7596060p7596069.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes at triconet.org Tue Dec 16 15:22:20 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:22:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LDMOS for QRO [OT] In-Reply-To: <54906B83.8000804@triconet.org> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC><5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> <54906B83.8000804@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5490947C.7090201@triconet.org> Oops typo. "F-14" aircraft On 12/16/2014 10:27 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Unless you want to run fresh water down the drain (in Arizona we don't do > this) you have to get the heat into the air someplace. I'm not sure that > running water lines to outside air is much easier than getting coax through a > concrete wall. > > Speaking of difficult, the U.S. Navy AIM-54A Phoenix Missile which with I was > intimately familiar, used oil (Coolanol) cooling. Chassis were mounted on cold > plates and the vacuum tube modulator and pulse transformer were immersed in > oil and it also circulated through the PA klystron. Lines ran from the > missile umbilical to the wing or belly mounted launchers then to the F4 > aircraft where a conditioning unit resided. The stuff was insidious to work > with. I ruined lots of clothes, And it was hygroscopic, just the thing to > use on a ship-borne system. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Dec 16 16:19:21 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:19:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying Message-ID: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com> Hi all, Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not :) for a few years for this improvement. This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm See release notes below. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * MCU 5.01 / DSP 2.83, 12/09/2014 * NO CW QSK AUDIO ARTIFACTS IN PRESENCE OF QRM: In previous releases, CW QSK break-in speed was maximized by saving receive audio in the DSP "pipeline" on key-down, then inserting it back into audio stream on key-up. This resulted in audible artifacts when operating in the presence of heavy noise or QRN. The operator now has the option to clear the DSP pipeline on key-down, eliminating the artifacts. This provides much cleaner CW operation, at the expense of a slightly longer delay before receive audio recovers (we'll improve this in a future firmware release). To select the old or new QSK algorithm, tap '3' in the CW WGHT menu entry (CONFIG menu). "New QSK" clears the DSP pipeline; "Old QSK" saves it and inserts it back in on key-up. Historical note: The original "Old QSK," which used even shorter mute times, is no longer available. Some operators felt it provided somewhat better QSK (reduced artifacts). But the new algorithm (now "New QSK") is far superior in this regard. From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 17:25:29 2014 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Opposite Sideband and IF Image Nulling Procedure Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19B9117FD79D423F8672E8AAD8A85AC1@SHACKXPS> Hello, I have performed the Rev A8 Opposite Sideband and IF Image Nulling procedure on my KX3 (thanks VK2RQ for the reference). On page 5 of the procedure, step 2 says the KX3's VFO must be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source. However, I noted that to hear any signal at all, my VFO setting was more like 14.8 kHz higher than the source (true on all bands). I am assuming that the signal I hear that is about 14.8 kHz higher is the image, and I proceeded with setting RIT on and completion of the automatic gain and phase settings. I probably will not ever use the IF shift, but I'm wondering why my receiver setting was not the 16 kHz higher frequency as stated in the procedure. Also, I noted that "RXSBNUL" in steps 6 and 7A should be "RXSBNUL*" The main issue I am having is that despite running through the opposite sideband nulling procedure, and hearing the test signal opposite sideband being nulled out, the KX3 performance with actual signals on the bands has not improved. I am still hearing with equal strength both sides of the CW signal. I have powered off the KX3 after running the nulling procedure to make sure the new settings stuck, but no change. I'm not sure what to check next... --Ed, N3CW-- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com Tue Dec 16 20:31:21 2014 From: gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com (Gary W. Hvizdak) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:31:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] 700 Hz 8-Pole INRAD Filters Message-ID: <004a01d01999$29f49590$7dddc0b0$@cfl.rr.com> The filters are in stock for the holidays; get them while they last. Please note that there's a good chance this will be the last batch! However even if it isn't, it will definitely be the last time we try to offer them from stock. Translation: if there is a next batch, there will be a 14-week (production lead-time) wait from the date you place your order, until your filter(s) ship to you. Cost is $145 + S&H, where ... o USA S&H = $6 o Canada S&H = $21 o International S&H = $25 Visit http://www.unpcbs.com/ for full details including: ordering instructions, user comments, passband plot, FAQs, app notes, and a novel slideshow comparing of all five INRAD CW filters. 73, Gary KI4GGX webmaster From kk5f at earthlink.net Tue Dec 16 22:23:38 2014 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:23:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review Message-ID: <30689213.1418786618954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Phil wrote: > A reasonable assessment, Johnny. Of course the KX1 > was designed as the ultimate Trail-Friendly Radio > (TFR) and that it is! I always preferred the K1 versus the KX1. I must have 15m, plus the KX1 really needs a four-pole IF filter, IMO. I have a dream of a KX2 that is a KX1 descendant, with four-pole filter, 15m and maybe other bands not on a KX1, back-lit LCD vs LED, noise blanker, and everything required for the band coverage laid out from the start in the design, and not as an after- thought. (As has been often noted, the KX1 is not particularly easy rig to build with all the options.) I'd also like to see 5 watt output on all bands with 14 vdc power. Perhaps it could even be a factory-built SMT design. Finally, that KX2 would need an ATU capable of far more than 254 combinations of reactance insertion. The KAT1's 1022 combinations would be minimum, IMHO. A small, capable, simple-to-operate, very low-power-consumption QRP rig still has great appeal even with availability of the overwhelming capability of the KX3. I'd like to have both. ...and the KX2 slot in the Elecraft line needs filling! :-) Mike / KK5F From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Tue Dec 16 22:43:33 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review In-Reply-To: <30689213.1418786618954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30689213.1418786618954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2002648651.45221.1418787813969.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10940.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Hello?Mike, KX1 is not cheap and I would wonder there is a sizeable market?now.?So, KX2 will be a big question mark. I?spent quite some time?building the low pass filter LPF1 of the KXB3080 option.? This part is even more difficult than K2. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ?----- ???? ---- ???? Mike Morrow ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ??(CC)? ????? 2014?12?17? (??) 11:23 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review Phil wrote: > A reasonable assessment, Johnny. Of course the KX1 > was designed as the ultimate Trail-Friendly Radio > (TFR) and that it is! I always preferred the K1 versus the KX1.? I must have 15m, plus the KX1 really needs a four-pole IF filter, IMO. I have a dream of a KX2 that is a KX1 descendant, with four-pole filter, 15m and maybe other bands not on a KX1, back-lit LCD vs LED, noise blanker, and everything required for the band coverage laid out from the start in the design, and not as an after- thought.? (As has been often noted, the KX1 is not particularly easy rig to build with all the options.)? I'd also like to see 5 watt output on all bands with 14 vdc power.? Perhaps it could even be a factory-built SMT design.? Finally, that KX2 would need an ATU capable of far more than 254 combinations of reactance insertion.? The KAT1's 1022 combinations would be minimum, IMHO. A small, capable, simple-to-operate, very low-power-consumption QRP rig still has great appeal even with availability of the overwhelming capability of the KX3.? I'd like to have both. ...and the KX2 slot in the Elecraft line needs filling! :-) Mike / KK5F ? From dezrat at outlook.com Tue Dec 16 23:02:36 2014 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:02:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] fldigi and K3 frequency readout In-Reply-To: <54905082.5010004@subich.com> References: <54904B17.3030306@embarqmail.com> <54905082.5010004@subich.com> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:32:18 -0500, W4TV wrote: >. the >developers of fldigi simply do not care about the transceiver control >details (it's not just the K3). REPLY: That's about what I thought. Is there another program similar to fldigi that does it right? Ham Radio Deluxe maybe? I know it isn't free but I would pay the price to have it work right. HRD does offer a free trial, maybe I'll try it. I do like the way fldigi integrates with DXLab. Save a Q in fldigi and it is transferred to DXKeeper with no fuss. 73, Bill W6WRT From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 01:55:37 2014 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:55:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review Message-ID: <0ymyebn8lc6d8bsi1lqckyb8.1418798626928@email.android.com> My KX1 puts out over 5 watts when powered with an A123 LiFePO pack, and will run longer than I can from a small.4S1P battery. It fits perfectly into a Pelican 1060 box, which makes it nearly indestructible when using it to soften face plants while xc skiing. It's perfect as is, though a 40-20-15 version would be interesting. I'd like to see a single-band KX0, the size of a Rockmite, a full 1-2 watts out, with attendant Elecraft mojo. THAT would be cool. It could use an outboard T1 for tuning wires. 73 Eric WD6DBM Mike Morrow wrote: >Phil wrote: > >> A reasonable assessment, Johnny. Of course the KX1 >> was designed as the ultimate Trail-Friendly Radio >> (TFR) and that it is! > >I always preferred the K1 versus the KX1. I must have 15m, >plus the KX1 really needs a four-pole IF filter, IMO. > >I have a dream of a KX2 that is a KX1 descendant, with four-pole >filter, 15m and maybe other bands not on a KX1, back-lit LCD vs >LED, noise blanker, and everything required for the band coverage >laid out from the start in the design, and not as an after- >thought. (As has been often noted, the KX1 is not particularly >easy rig to build with all the options.) I'd also like to see >5 watt output on all bands with 14 vdc power. Perhaps it could >even be a factory-built SMT design. Finally, that KX2 would need >an ATU capable of far more than 254 combinations of reactance >insertion. The KAT1's 1022 combinations would be minimum, IMHO. > >A small, capable, simple-to-operate, very low-power-consumption >QRP rig still has great appeal even with availability of the >overwhelming capability of the KX3. I'd like to have both. > >...and the KX2 slot in the Elecraft line needs filling! :-) > >Mike / KK5F >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Wed Dec 17 02:24:14 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review In-Reply-To: <0ymyebn8lc6d8bsi1lqckyb8.1418798626928@email.android.com> References: <0ymyebn8lc6d8bsi1lqckyb8.1418798626928@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1297349894.130334.1418801054281.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10952.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Basic KX1 gives more power. ?I am not surprised for power output over 4W. ?However, with the addition of KXB3080 module, the low pass filter LPF1 is a compromise, it will be hard to squeeze power up to 4 watts. 73 Johnny VR2XMCKX1 # 2839 ???? Eric Norris ???? Mike Morrow ??(CC)? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2014?12?17? (??) 2:55 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review My KX1 puts out over 5 watts when powered with an A123 LiFePO pack, and will run longer than I can from a small.4S1P battery.? It fits perfectly into a Pelican 1060 box, which makes it nearly indestructible when using it to soften face plants while xc skiing.? It's perfect as is, though a 40-20-15 version would be interesting. I'd like to see a single-band KX0, the size of a Rockmite, a full 1-2 watts out, with attendant Elecraft mojo.? THAT would be cool.? It could use an outboard T1 for tuning wires. 73 Eric WD6DBM Mike Morrow wrote: >Phil wrote: > >> A reasonable assessment, Johnny. Of course the KX1 >> was designed as the ultimate Trail-Friendly Radio >> (TFR) and that it is! > >I always preferred the K1 versus the KX1.? I must have 15m, >plus the KX1 really needs a four-pole IF filter, IMO. > >I have a dream of a KX2 that is a KX1 descendant, with four-pole >filter, 15m and maybe other bands not on a KX1, back-lit LCD vs >LED, noise blanker, and everything required for the band coverage >laid out from the start in the design, and not as an after- >thought.? (As has been often noted, the KX1 is not particularly >easy rig to build with all the options.)? I'd also like to see >5 watt output on all bands with 14 vdc power.? Perhaps it could >even be a factory-built SMT design.? Finally, that KX2 would need >an ATU capable of far more than 254 combinations of reactance >insertion.? The KAT1's 1022 combinations would be minimum, IMHO. > >A small, capable, simple-to-operate, very low-power-consumption >QRP rig still has great appeal even with availability of the >overwhelming capability of the KX3.? I'd like to have both. > >...and the KX2 slot in the Elecraft line needs filling! :-) > >Mike / KK5F From droese at necg.de Wed Dec 17 02:41:43 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:41:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Opposite Sideband and IF Image Nulling Procedure Problems In-Reply-To: <19B9117FD79D423F8672E8AAD8A85AC1@SHACKXPS> References: <19B9117FD79D423F8672E8AAD8A85AC1@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: <549133B7.6010904@necg.de> Ed, are you sure you are on CW when doing the procedure and not CW-R (or LSB/USB)? Don't ask how I know ... ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 16.12.2014 23:25, schrieb Ed G: > Hello, > I have performed the Rev A8 Opposite Sideband and IF Image Nulling > procedure on my KX3 (thanks VK2RQ for the reference). On page 5 of the > procedure, step 2 says the KX3's VFO must be set 16 kHz higher than the > signal source. However, I noted that to hear any signal at all, my VFO > setting was more like 14.8 kHz higher than the source (true on all bands). I > am assuming that the signal I hear that is about 14.8 kHz higher is the > image, and I proceeded with setting RIT on and completion of the automatic > gain and phase settings. I probably will not ever use the IF shift, but I'm > wondering why my receiver setting was not the 16 kHz higher frequency as > stated in the procedure. Also, I noted that "RXSBNUL" in steps 6 and 7A > should be "RXSBNUL*" > The main issue I am having is that despite running through the opposite > sideband nulling procedure, and hearing the test signal opposite sideband > being nulled out, the KX3 performance with actual signals on the bands has > not improved. I am still hearing with equal strength both sides of the CW > signal. I have powered off the KX3 after running the nulling procedure to > make sure the new settings stuck, but no change. I'm not sure what to check > next... > --Ed, N3CW-- > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 03:46:34 2014 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:46:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review Message-ID: My KX1 has the old 30m board. Its power output is 4,2w on 20m from a 13,8 supply., but approaches 7 watts with the A123 pack. Perhaps the 80m board lowers the output, I have no way of testing. I don't think 80m QRP is as popular on the Left Coast of the U.S as it is elsewhere. I rarely operate there anyway. 73 Eric. WD6DBM Johnny Siu wrote: >Basic KX1 gives more power. ?I am not surprised for power output over 4W. ?However, with the addition of KXB3080 module, the low pass filter LPF1 is a compromise, it will be hard to squeeze power up to 4 watts. >73 >Johnny VR2XMCKX1 # 2839 > ???? Eric Norris > ???? Mike Morrow >??(CC)? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2014?12?17? (??) 2:55 PM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review > > > >My KX1 puts out over 5 watts when powered with an A123 LiFePO pack, and will run longer than I can from a small.4S1P battery.? It fits perfectly into a Pelican 1060 box, which makes it nearly indestructible when using it to soften face plants while xc skiing.? It's perfect as is, though a 40-20-15 version would be interesting. > >I'd like to see a single-band KX0, the size of a Rockmite, a full 1-2 watts out, with attendant Elecraft mojo.? THAT would be cool.? It could use an outboard T1 for tuning wires. > >73 > >Eric WD6DBM > >Mike Morrow wrote: > >>Phil wrote: >> >>> A reasonable assessment, Johnny. Of course the KX1 >>> was designed as the ultimate Trail-Friendly Radio >>> (TFR) and that it is! >> >>I always preferred the K1 versus the KX1.? I must have 15m, >>plus the KX1 really needs a four-pole IF filter, IMO. >> >>I have a dream of a KX2 that is a KX1 descendant, with four-pole >>filter, 15m and maybe other bands not on a KX1, back-lit LCD vs >>LED, noise blanker, and everything required for the band coverage >>laid out from the start in the design, and not as an after- >>thought.? (As has been often noted, the KX1 is not particularly >>easy rig to build with all the options.)? I'd also like to see >>5 watt output on all bands with 14 vdc power.? Perhaps it could >>even be a factory-built SMT design.? Finally, that KX2 would need >>an ATU capable of far more than 254 combinations of reactance >>insertion.? The KAT1's 1022 combinations would be minimum, IMHO. >> >>A small, capable, simple-to-operate, very low-power-consumption >>QRP rig still has great appeal even with availability of the >>overwhelming capability of the KX3.? I'd like to have both. >> >>...and the KX2 slot in the Elecraft line needs filling! :-) >> >>Mike / KK5F > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Wed Dec 17 04:03:11 2014 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:03:11 +0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX1 - a builder's review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1418806991.27188.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web193504.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Old, yes, the old kxb30 did not need to reconstruct the low pass filter, hence no effect to power output. The newer kxb3080 requires a complete reconstruction of LPF ?? Yahoo ???? Android ? From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 07:12:26 2014 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 More on Sideband Nulling Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11DC04D86D224BB89104611996CA56D6@SHACKXPS> In re-running the KX3 opposite sideband nulling procedure, I am seeing more I don't understand. I have very carefully set all parameters according to the procedure, so I'm quite sure RIT, normal CW, dual receive is off, etc are set properly. The automatic null operation works fine for FL1 (I can hear and see the null being found), but does not null at all for FL2 or FL3. There is no change in test signal level for FL2 and FL3 when the automatic null procedure (or manual for that matter) is running. Screen ends up with Gain 00. Anomaly exists on all bands. In actual operation, the filters seem to work properly, and the display indications for width and filter selection are as they should be. The problem is that there is no opposite sideband suppression at all when FL2 or FL3 are selected. That's also what I am seeing during the automatic null procedure, when no change is observed in the signal level as the null operation progresses. There is good suppression when FL1 is selected. This KX3 is factory-built, S/N 0162, latest firmware. Any ideas? --Ed-- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From john at KN5L.net Wed Dec 17 07:23:31 2014 From: john at KN5L.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:23:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you Elecraft, Digital Modes Message-ID: <549175C3.90204@KN5L.net> I had no plan to have digital capability, but it's sure nice that the K3 (and KX3) have digital capability. W1AW/9 recently posted to LoTW, three RTTY and one PSK31 QSOs confirmed. A nice group of digital QSOs on my LoTW QSO page this morning. And thank you W1AW/ operators, it's been a fun year. John KN5L From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Wed Dec 17 08:12:57 2014 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:12:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 End plates, cover and heatsink Message-ID: I have just received the controversial KX3 heatsink, end plates and Perspex (Plexiglas) cover from an eBay advertiser purporting to be in China. I realise there have been derogatory comments on here about this seller's product, but nevertheless I would like to tell you about it. The black finish and lettering match perfectly to the KX3 itself and the Perspex cover is strong and fits well. The heatsink also fits perfectly. All pieces are fixed using the existing KX3 screws. A small pack of thermal compound is also supplied with a plastic application tool. To sum up, I have no complaints whatsoever. And now the best bit... The whole lot cost me 68.88ukp with free shipping. (I see they are currently being sold at 65.44ukp.) The package was evidently dispatched from Belgium. Consequently, as a country in the European Community there were no customs, VAT or administration charges to pay. Yes, I would have liked to have bought these from the original USA developers. But the additional customs charges and shipping costs to Great Britain would have been prohibitive. So, anyone in the UK or Europe, go for it. You will not be disappointed. 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Dec 17 08:45:42 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:45:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 End plates, cover and heatsink In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Good to know. I, like you have to deal with the 'free trade' that the US has with Canada (not). The import brokerage and duties make it difficult for those in the US to ship into Canada and remain competive with the Chinese. I can limit that cost by using USPS over Fedex, UPS or DHL, but I still get dinged. To give you an idea, a $500 item may add up to $100 just to clear the border from the US into Canada. Yes, ham radio is duty exempt, but I still have to pay brokerage and HST (like your VAT). Like you just found out, we seem to have free trade with China. Any items I order from China arrive at my door with no addtional charges. If I travel to the US, I often order items and have them shipped to my hotel and then I hand carry it back. This does limit the market for those in the US sadly. Mike va3mw On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:12 AM, David G4DMP wrote: > > I have just received the controversial KX3 heatsink, end plates and > Perspex (Plexiglas) cover from an eBay advertiser purporting to be in > China. I realise there have been derogatory comments on here about this > seller's product, but nevertheless I would like to tell you about it. > > The black finish and lettering match perfectly to the KX3 itself and the > Perspex cover is strong and fits well. The heatsink also fits perfectly. > All pieces are fixed using the existing KX3 screws. A small pack of > thermal compound is also supplied with a plastic application tool. To > sum up, I have no complaints whatsoever. > > And now the best bit... The whole lot cost me 68.88ukp with free > shipping. (I see they are currently being sold at 65.44ukp.) The package > was evidently dispatched from Belgium. Consequently, as a country in the > European Community there were no customs, VAT or administration charges > to pay. > > Yes, I would have liked to have bought these from the original USA > developers. But the additional customs charges and shipping costs to > Great Britain would have been prohibitive. > > So, anyone in the UK or Europe, go for it. You will not be disappointed. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > -- > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | > | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed Dec 17 09:39:54 2014 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:39:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Odd WWV and K3 frequency issue... Message-ID: <1418827194520-7596086.post@n2.nabble.com> I have calibrated the TCXO using the WWV and Spot method outlined in the manual. It also agrees with my HP counter which is good to 10^-10 or so. I have also done the VCO calibration outlined in the manual which seems to have completed it to the satisfaction of the K3. BUT, when I look at WWV on 10.000 MHz, the carrier is down about 70 Hz from the center point on the P3, and when I switch from USB to LSB, I can hear the 70 Hz on LSB and cannot hear it on USB of course because it's below my audio passband on USB. Any idea what causes this anomaly? Just curious...I probably don't understand the K3's guts as well as I should. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Odd-WWV-and-K3-frequency-issue-tp7596086.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ad0es at ad0es.net Wed Dec 17 10:45:31 2014 From: ad0es at ad0es.net (AD0ES) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:45:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 128, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A5C8A65-AD13-45F0-9AAD-5C0BB9BAD42C@ad0es.net> Hi, I don't think this is a fair comment. Remember that fldigi is a free, public-domain suite of programs. Dave cannot possibly program/test the code with the dozens of rigs it can be used with. In most cases the rig control is done by someone else who happens to have that hardware. In your case (you don't mention using flrig) your probably using hamlib for the actual control, again NOT written by the fldigi crew. Questions: Does the opmode control at top of fldigi change to reflect the mode, ie. it should say "DATA" when in data-a mode, and "USB" when in usb mode. Have you tried using flrig/xmlrpc for rig control? Integrated with fldigi, it provides a nice set of nobs, and uses direct serial port control of the k3 (ie, not going thru hamlib). Be sure to have the radio on b4 starting it as it probes the k3 on initialization for setup info. I have been doing extensive work with fldigi/flrig and my k3/mercury sdr, and have not seen this problem. Check out: http://ad0es.net/flprogs/hydra/introduction.html Steve AD0ES On Dec 17, 2014, at 6:15 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:32:18 -0500, W4TV wrote: > >> . the >> developers of fldigi simply do not care about the transceiver control >> details (it's not just the K3). > > REPLY: > > That's about what I thought. Is there another program similar to > fldigi that does it right? Ham Radio Deluxe maybe? I know it isn't > free but I would pay the price to have it work right. HRD does offer a > free trial, maybe I'll try it. From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Wed Dec 17 11:42:54 2014 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:42:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying In-Reply-To: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com> References: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5491B28E.1060707@g3tct.co.uk> Yes, it's a significant improvement. There's still some slight transient click but much better. Well done Elecraft! Graham On 19:59, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not :) for a few years for this improvement. > > This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 17 12:15:39 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:15:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying In-Reply-To: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com> References: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5491BA3B.90201@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,12/16/2014 1:19 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Not realizing this was a beta, I went looking for it with K3 Utility last night and didn't find it. It would be nice to have an option within K3 Utility to look for firmware that is in public beta. 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Wed Dec 17 12:53:33 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:53:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying In-Reply-To: <5491BA3B.90201@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com> <5491BA3B.90201@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5491C31D.7050409@elecraft.com> Hi Jim, We make beta's a little different to get on purpose so that unsuspecting users don't download the beta (with potential bugs) by mistake through the usual utility route. Instead we provide the release in a zip file that the user copies and unzips to a local computer directory, and then loads via the utility. We also want to make sure beta testers are the ones who really are interested in testing the software and reporting any issues. The two step method above accomplishes this for us. We've used this method for the past 7 years with good feedback. On the K3 firmware page, where the beta is described, there is a link with clear instructions on how to get the .zip file for the beta releases. It says: See the K3 Beta Firmware Instruction for information on obtaining beta releases. Beta releases are not automatically recognized by the K3 Utility. The K3 Firmware page is located at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm 73, Eric elecraft.com ==== On 12/17/2014 9:15 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,12/16/2014 1:19 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > Not realizing this was a beta, I went looking for it with K3 Utility last > night and didn't find it. > > It would be nice to have an option within K3 Utility to look for firmware that > is in public beta. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From mtnest at hartcom.net Wed Dec 17 14:09:45 2014 From: mtnest at hartcom.net (Tom Warren) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:09:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 aux 12V power for KAT500 Message-ID: <2E0C5D42-CD19-4C16-BCB4-6AA9658AE51D@hartcom.net> Is there a way to get 12v from the KPA500 to run the KAT500 without going into the power supply? Tom W4TMW From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 14:30:05 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:30:05 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 More on Sideband Nulling Issue In-Reply-To: <11DC04D86D224BB89104611996CA56D6@SHACKXPS> References: <11DC04D86D224BB89104611996CA56D6@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: <67F2AD2F-EB53-4734-AF7F-261A59B503FC@gmail.com> It looks like your KXFL3 roofing filter may either not be seated correctly, or may be faulty. If reseating the roofing filter doesn't help, then I suggest to contact Elecraft support about this issue. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 17 Dec 2014, at 11:12 pm, Ed G wrote: > > > In re-running the KX3 opposite sideband nulling procedure, I am seeing more > I don't understand. > > I have very carefully set all parameters according to the procedure, so I'm > quite sure RIT, normal CW, dual receive is off, etc are set properly. The > automatic null operation works fine for FL1 (I can hear and see the null > being found), but does not null at all for FL2 or FL3. There is no change > in test signal level for FL2 and FL3 when the automatic null procedure (or > manual for that matter) is running. Screen ends up with Gain 00. Anomaly > exists on all bands. > > In actual operation, the filters seem to work properly, and the display > indications for width and filter selection are as they should be. The > problem is that there is no opposite sideband suppression at all when FL2 or > FL3 are selected. That's also what I am seeing during the automatic null > procedure, when no change is observed in the signal level as the null > operation progresses. There is good suppression when FL1 is selected. > > This KX3 is factory-built, S/N 0162, latest firmware. > > Any ideas? > > --Ed-- > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 15:03:28 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:03:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] After all that.. Message-ID: Built KSB2, SSB board - aligned / installed: worked perfect Built PKA100, 100 watt PA - aligned / installed: worked perfect Mic disconnected?.placed back in the drawer, radio back @ 15 watts on 10.116 - will be listening for the rest of the day on CW.. Frank KG9H, Antioch, IL From challinan at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 15:53:32 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:53:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] After all that.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahhh...love 30m CW! ;) On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > > Built KSB2, SSB board - aligned / installed: worked perfect > Built PKA100, 100 watt PA - aligned / installed: worked perfect > > Mic disconnected....placed back in the drawer, radio back @ 15 watts on > 10.116 - will be listening for the rest of the day on CW.. > > Frank KG9H, Antioch, IL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From ny9h at arrl.net Wed Dec 17 21:00:58 2014 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill NY9H) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:00:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] loading firmware oops In-Reply-To: <54906B83.8000804@triconet.org> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> <54906B83.8000804@triconet.org> Message-ID: oops... tried to load new fw and it got confused. Now when i try to force load, i can not get the utility to give me a " send" screen...either one ...all or selected... and the led keeps blinking and "mcu ld" stays on the k3 lcd; even changed computers to get a simple hw serial port which is set to 38.4k what did I forget ????? bill From dick at elecraft.com Wed Dec 17 21:12:23 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:12:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] loading firmware oops In-Reply-To: <20141218020137.C7E8D149A7A0@mailman.qth.net> References: <201412140910.sBE9AN19038722@ingra.acsalaska.net> <548DAFBD.7000800@mediacombb.net> <64D9437C458547B1BB2D12F410635D64@DavidPC> <5490615E.7020001@earthlink.net> <54906B83.8000804@triconet.org> <20141218020137.C7E8D149A7A0@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <43ECBABF-D260-4809-8B0A-21E7CE1F43B1@elecraft.com> K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure, has a step by step procedure for interrupted firmware loads. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Dec 17, 2014, at 18:00, Bill NY9H wrote: > > oops... > > tried to load new fw and it got confused. > > Now when i try to force load, > i can not get the utility to give me a > " send" screen...either one ...all or selected... > > and the led keeps blinking and "mcu ld" stays on the k3 lcd; > > even changed computers to get a simple hw serial port > > which is set to 38.4k > > what did I forget ????? > bill > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ny9h at arrl.net Wed Dec 17 21:17:20 2014 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill NY9H) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:17:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] loading firmware oops Message-ID: just got it going,,, now i will read that.... while it loads tnx At 09:12 PM 12/17/2014, you wrote: >K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure, has a step by >step procedure for interrupted firmware loads. > >73 de Dick, K6KR > > > On Dec 17, 2014, at 18:00, Bill NY9H wrote: > > > > oops... > > > > tried to load new fw and it got confused. > > > > Now when i try to force load, > > i can not get the utility to give me a > > " send" screen...either one ...all or selected... > > > > and the led keeps blinking and "mcu ld" stays on the k3 lcd; > > > > even changed computers to get a simple hw serial port > > > > which is set to 38.4k > > > > what did I forget ????? > > bill > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 21:36:48 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:36:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] loading firmware oops In-Reply-To: <20141218021741.79423149A70E@mailman.qth.net> References: <20141218021741.79423149A70E@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <3368D617-10B9-429A-87D2-41E5DB934E3D@gmail.com> And sometimes, you have to reboot the computer because the (USB to) serial driver goes wonky and that's the simplest recovery. Yes saw you changed computers; just submitting it for completeness. 73 es Merry Christmas, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Dec 17, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Bill NY9H wrote: > > just got it going,,, > > now i will read that.... while it loads > > tnx > > At 09:12 PM 12/17/2014, you wrote: >> K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure, has a step by step procedure for interrupted firmware loads. >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> > On Dec 17, 2014, at 18:00, Bill NY9H wrote: >> > >> > oops... >> > >> > tried to load new fw and it got confused. >> > >> > Now when i try to force load, >> > i can not get the utility to give me a >> > " send" screen...either one ...all or selected... >> > >> > and the led keeps blinking and "mcu ld" stays on the k3 lcd; >> > >> > even changed computers to get a simple hw serial port >> > >> > which is set to 38.4k >> > >> > what did I forget ????? >> > bill >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 22:08:22 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:08:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] HAPPY HANUKKAH !! Message-ID: Rose, N7HKW and I want to wish each of you a Happy Hanukkah. She had her last chemotherapy treatment Tuesday and has two vaginal radiation treatments left. The last will be December 23rd. What a nice gift for us!! 88 / 73 Rose & Ken From Scottsheppard at videotron.ca Wed Dec 17 22:27:41 2014 From: Scottsheppard at videotron.ca (Va3ied) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:27:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Auto antenna select Message-ID: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> I recently purchased the kat500....and love it. Has anyone programmed their freq and antenna ports and then used it remotely? As I understand it, after sensing rf the unit will switch to the correct antenna and tune it? It does. To require any other connections? 73 Scott -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Auto-antenna-select-tp7596100.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ny9h at arrl.net Wed Dec 17 22:34:50 2014 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill NY9H) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:34:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] loading firmware oops In-Reply-To: <3368D617-10B9-429A-87D2-41E5DB934E3D@gmail.com> References: <20141218021741.79423149A70E@mailman.qth.net> <3368D617-10B9-429A-87D2-41E5DB934E3D@gmail.com> Message-ID: the trick was to wait much more than I had ,.,,, i use hardware serial ports,,,in the computer tnx all bill At 09:36 PM 12/17/2014, Rick Bates wrote: >And sometimes, you have to reboot the computer because the (USB to) >serial driver goes wonky and that's the simplest recovery. > >Yes saw you changed computers; just submitting it for completeness. > >73 es Merry Christmas, >Rick wa6nhc > >Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > > > On Dec 17, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Bill NY9H wrote: > > > > just got it going,,, > > > > now i will read that.... while it loads > > > > tnx > > > > At 09:12 PM 12/17/2014, you wrote: > >> K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure, has a step > by step procedure for interrupted firmware loads. > >> > >> 73 de Dick, K6KR > >> > >> > On Dec 17, 2014, at 18:00, Bill NY9H wrote: > >> > > >> > oops... > >> > > >> > tried to load new fw and it got confused. > >> > > >> > Now when i try to force load, > >> > i can not get the utility to give me a > >> > " send" screen...either one ...all or selected... > >> > > >> > and the led keeps blinking and "mcu ld" stays on the k3 lcd; > >> > > >> > even changed computers to get a simple hw serial port > >> > > >> > which is set to 38.4k > >> > > >> > what did I forget ????? > >> > bill > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > >> > Elecraft mailing list > >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 22:53:36 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:53:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Auto antenna select In-Reply-To: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0A6F2D07-3F85-4070-AE3F-3851B0FEA106@gmail.com> Yes. It's all automatic after training, except I use window line for a feed, it varies with rain. So when remote, I use TeamViewer and the KAT utility to make sure things are tuned. Very simple to manage remotely. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Va3ied wrote: > > I recently purchased the kat500....and love it. Has anyone programmed their > freq and antenna ports and then used it remotely? As I understand it, after > sensing rf the unit will switch to the correct antenna and tune it? It does. > To require any other connections? > > 73 > Scott > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Auto-antenna-select-tp7596100.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Dec 18 02:27:32 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:27:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 aux 12V power for KAT500 In-Reply-To: <2E0C5D42-CD19-4C16-BCB4-6AA9658AE51D@hartcom.net> References: <2E0C5D42-CD19-4C16-BCB4-6AA9658AE51D@hartcom.net> Message-ID: <2841EBC9-77F7-446D-A200-97423F4ED2D3@me.com> No. I doubt if the internal 12V regulator in the KPA has enough spare capacity to run the KAT500. I certainly wouldn?t want to try it, and strongly suggest others not to. Jack B, W6FB > On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Tom Warren wrote: > > Is there a way to get 12v from the KPA500 to run the KAT500 without going into the power supply? > > Tom > W4TMW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Dec 18 02:40:27 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:40:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 aux 12V power for KAT500 In-Reply-To: <2E0C5D42-CD19-4C16-BCB4-6AA9658AE51D@hartcom.net> References: <2E0C5D42-CD19-4C16-BCB4-6AA9658AE51D@hartcom.net> Message-ID: <9618C7FF-802B-431E-97D0-468138D7FC51@me.com> Let me rephrase my answer. There is no 12V output form the KPA500. The internal 12V regulator is pretty well loaded, taking most of the capacity of the regulator. The KAT500 needs upwards of 1 amp when the relays are switching, and there is not enough capacity in the KPA?s regulator to handle that and maintain its own circuits (some of which are critical to the KPA?s operation). So, no, power to run the KAT500 really cannot be derived from the KPA500. Current K3?s _do_ have capacity on their 12V output, and older ones can be upgraded to handle the current. Or, you can go the route I traveled - build a small relay-switched power distribution box. I use the 12V output form the K3 to power the relay, which simply switches my main 12V shack supply to the peripherals needed when the K3 is on. In my case this includes a W2, KRC2 and KPA500 among other devices. Hope this helps. 73! Jack B, W6FB > On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Tom Warren wrote: > > Is there a way to get 12v from the KPA500 to run the KAT500 without going into the power supply? > > Tom > W4TMW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Thu Dec 18 09:32:00 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Release of Win4K3Suite and demo of remote access using an Android Tablet Message-ID: <808636F5F3F045EEA96B23282C778797@tomsPC> Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite. To see it in action you can check out the video of it operated by an Android tablet at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKO1nS4zO-M In this release there are a number of enhancements to the CW - FSK-D ? PSK terminal. The AutoSpot, Words/Minute and an Auto WPM were added. The automatic setting of WPM will work when using CW-Skimmer as a cluster. The ClubLog spotting module now allows selection of a custom cluster. The Spectrum scope now has a peak hold function and corrections made to support older LP-PAN units and users with 5 pole filters. Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control program supporting the Elecraft K3, KPA500, and KAT500 as well as the KX3 and KXPA100. It includes a spectrum scope that can be used with the KX3 and LPPAN. The program interfaces trouble free with many third party applications such as HRD, N1MM, DXLabs, and Log4OM, You can see the videos here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite 73?s Tom va2fsq.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From Scottsheppard at videotron.ca Thu Dec 18 11:17:13 2014 From: Scottsheppard at videotron.ca (Va3ied) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:17:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Auto antenna select In-Reply-To: <0A6F2D07-3F85-4070-AE3F-3851B0FEA106@gmail.com> References: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> <0A6F2D07-3F85-4070-AE3F-3851B0FEA106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1418919433715-7596106.post@n2.nabble.com> thanks...but what I meant was using it as a remote antenna switch...I have a garden shed at the base of my tower with 3 different coax feeds for the antennas. At the moment I use an ameritron remote switch so only one coax comes to the house...I was thinking the KAT500 could do away with that...it could switch antennas and tune (pre tuned)... scott -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Auto-antenna-select-tp7596100p7596106.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w6jhb at me.com Thu Dec 18 13:17:21 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:17:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization Message-ID: Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB From dick at elecraft.com Thu Dec 18 13:36:58 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:36:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d01af1$9b85c4a0$d2914de0$@elecraft.com> You need to enable it on your K3. On CONFIG MENU KAT3, tap the '3' button and look for KAT500Y or KAT500N in the VFO B area. You want KAT500Y. This causes the K3 to send frequency change messages to KAT500 firmware. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:17 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From dick at elecraft.com Thu Dec 18 13:37:20 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:37:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401d01af1$a89fa660$f9def320$@elecraft.com> This was introduced in K3 firmware revision 4.83. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:17 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From w6jhb at me.com Thu Dec 18 13:37:30 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:37:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W6JHB K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: <54931D85.1000604@elecraft.com> References: <54931B0F.1060703@elecraft.com> <54931D85.1000604@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2EAD642A-08BE-4939-BBBF-25BAD899CF04@me.com> Ah-ha!!! Many thanks guys - that did it. Perhaps I need to update my manual set for the K-line. Appreciated - working as designed. 73, Jim > On Thursday, Dec 18, 2014, at Thursday, 10:31 AM, Howard K6IA Elecraft Support wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Please review this link info and I think it will be helpful in getting KAT500 VFO tacking to working for you. > > > > Regards, > > Howard K6IA > ---------- > 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA > Elecraft Customer Support > (831) 763-4211 EXT 169 > > >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization >> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:17:21 -0800 >> From: James Bennett >> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector >> >> Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. >> >> So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? >> >> Thanks, Jim / W6JHB >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> > From pfizenmayer at q.com Thu Dec 18 13:46:47 2014 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:46:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also if the antenna is really flat - less than 1.2 when the tune operation starts - - the KAT500 bypasses the tuning network. AND if the SWR after tuning is worse than the antenna by itself - the KAT will bypass. Those bypass settings are stored in memory . That confused me until I RTM again- Hank K7HP -----Original Message----- From: James Bennett Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:17 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com From kb9kld at kb9kld.org Thu Dec 18 14:12:58 2014 From: kb9kld at kb9kld.org (Jeff Uchitjil) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:12:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 transverter problem Message-ID: <910BF7A8-7D6F-4D86-BB27-1DD71A92AD70@kb9kld.org> I just completed my XV144 and everything seems to work with it it, except it seems to randomly trip a relay in it for a split second. Like it is trying to transmit. Occasionally this will result in the overload flashing lights and I have to turn everything off and reset it. The meter on my K2 briefly flashes to full scale when this happens. I have it hooked up with the KX60XV and KIO. Any ideas on what to look for? Jeff KB9KLD From fcady at ece.montana.edu Thu Dec 18 14:44:06 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:44:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: <002401d01af1$a89fa660$f9def320$@elecraft.com> References: <002401d01af1$a89fa660$f9def320$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436448F91@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> There is a 'K-Line Introduction and Set Up Guide" on www.ke7x.com that should help understand all this. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:37 AM To: 'James Bennett'; 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization This was introduced in K3 firmware revision 4.83. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:17 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 18 15:14:32 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:14:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436448F91@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <002401d01af1$a89fa660$f9def320$@elecraft.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436448F91@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <549335A8.2070707@socal.rr.com> Very nice summary, Fred. I have your books but sometimes finding this sort of info takes lots of digging. This file fills that need or so it appears (printing it now). Thanks! 73, Phil W7OX On 12/18/14 11:44 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > There is a 'K-Line Introduction and Set Up Guide" on www.ke7x.com that should help understand all this. > Cheers and 73, > Fred > KE7X > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:37 AM > To: 'James Bennett'; 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization > > This was introduced in K3 firmware revision 4.83. > > Dick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:17 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization > > Forgive me if this has been discussed (and answered) before but I do not find it in the archives. A while back there was a firmware update that would allow the KAT500 to ?automatically? select the memorized L/C values as the K3 was tuned across a band. I have the current firmware in both units, but do not see (hear) the KAT500 doing anything as I tune across the band. For example, I just set the K3 at 14.006 and tapped the key paddle. The tuner clicked once and lit up the LED at the 1.2 mark. I then turned the K3?s VFO knob up to 14.080 - not a sound to be heard while tuning. When I got to that frequency, I tapped the key again and heard a short relay click noise and again got the 1.2 LED. > > So, my K3 and KAT500 are not doing what I thought the changed firmware was supposed to do. Is this something I need to set in a menu parameter in one or both units? Or, is this still a change residing in a beta version of the firmware? > > Thanks, Jim / W6JHB From aar6ea at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 15:55:19 2014 From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice Message-ID: Hello, I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out that it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any suggestions? Mark From nc3z.gary at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:07:22 2014 From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5493420A.7010401@gmail.com> I use a Pelican 1400, but that is a hard case. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18 NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 www.mitchelson.org On 12/18/2014 3:55 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick > handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was > originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out that > it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any > suggestions? > > > > Mark > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nc3z.gary at gmail.com From steverob at shoreham.net Thu Dec 18 16:14:02 2014 From: steverob at shoreham.net (Stephen Roberts) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:14:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think Rose is still making cases: I have one and it's the best. I can get my whole station in it no problem. KX3, All accessories, log book/tablet, 50' of coax, Antenna and throwing line kit. http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7058736_hZbo4/1/452236459_Bc3aF#!i=452236459&k=vLrLtL2 Best 72/73 Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roberts-W1SFR Sudbury, VT http://www.kx3helper.com Fists, CW OPS, QRP ARCI, SKCC, NEQRP, NAQCC, FP, ARRL, Green Mountain Wireless Society (802)779-7489 (cell) On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick > handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was > originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out that > it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any > suggestions? > > > > Mark > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to steverob at shoreham.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:30:31 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:30:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 transverter problem In-Reply-To: <910BF7A8-7D6F-4D86-BB27-1DD71A92AD70@kb9kld.org> References: <910BF7A8-7D6F-4D86-BB27-1DD71A92AD70@kb9kld.org> Message-ID: <54934777.6090809@embarqmail.com> Jeff, Your XV144 may be one of those that are susceptible to a false overload indication. It should not be possible to create an overload situation with 1 mW of drive, although it may be possible to create an overload indication if the XV144 is in receive and it senses an RF input. First check the jumper on the front panel board near the firmware IC. The jumper block should either be off or plugged onto only 1 pin. Most likely, it is a false overload indication caused by noise pickup on the front panel COR circuit. Remove the front panel metalwork (the board can stay connected to the RF board) and find Q7. Solder a 0.1uF capacitor between the collector and emitter of Q7. That bypasses the noise and prevents a false indication. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2014 2:12 PM, Jeff Uchitjil wrote: > I just completed my XV144 and everything seems to work with it it, except it seems to randomly trip a relay in it for a split second. Like it is trying to transmit. Occasionally this will result in the overload flashing lights and I have to turn everything off and reset it. The meter on my K2 briefly flashes to full scale when this happens. I have it hooked up with the KX60XV and KIO. > > From aar6ea at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 16:45:03 2014 From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I should mention that I liked the idea (at least conceptually) of the small molle pouch that can be attached to any other radio bag or backpack. I have been debating a larger standalone case (like a Pelican case) or camera bag (I liked the Lowe one!) but then I think about using it in the field. I will probably have a larger day pack so I am looking for something small (but protective) that can go inside said pack or be attached to the outside. It is very helpful to hear what others are using! Thanks for the feedback. Mark On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: > > Hello, > > I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick > handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was > originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out that > it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any > suggestions? > > > > Mark > From mtnest at hartcom.net Thu Dec 18 18:18:09 2014 From: mtnest at hartcom.net (Tom Warren) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:18:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 128, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8072546A-D2AE-40C8-805E-B093A3390DFD@hartcom.net> Jack, Understood?? After reading your first reply I just went ahead and ran a line to my 12vdc shack bus. It?s just a shame they don?t include a 12v output from the KPA500 to run their companion tuner. Your comments are appreciated. 73 Tom W4TMW > On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:55 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Let me rephrase my answer. There is no 12V output form the KPA500. The internal 12V regulator is pretty well loaded, taking most of the capacity of the regulator. The KAT500 needs upwards of 1 amp when the relays are switching, and there is not enough capacity in the KPA?s regulator to handle that and maintain its own circuits (some of which are critical to the KPA?s operation). > > So, no, power to run the KAT500 really cannot be derived from the KPA500. Current K3?s _do_ have capacity on their 12V output, and older ones can be upgraded to handle the current. Or, you can go the route I traveled - build a small relay-switched power distribution box. I use the 12V output form the K3 to power the relay, which simply switches my main 12V shack supply to the peripherals needed when the K3 is on. In my case this includes a W2, KRC2 and KPA500 among other devices. > > Hope this helps. > > 73! > > Jack B, W6FB From n0nb at n0nb.us Thu Dec 18 19:04:25 2014 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:04:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Wishlist--K3 utility for Linux amd64 Message-ID: <20141219000425.GI2514@n0nb.us> Here is a wishlist item. Please consider offering the K3 and P3 utilities in the "amd63" architecture for the users of popular 64 bit Linux distributions. Despite the nomenclature, "amd64" runs on the common 64 bit processors manufactured by AMD and Intel. In fact, I run Debian amd64 on Intel i5 based machines. In my experience, building for amd64 should be quite straight forward these days and just a matter of setting the target architecture correctly. Yes, I could install the i386 multiarch packages and planned to do so, but it pulls in many duplicate (i386 and amd64) packages and since I have a slow Internet link, I'm trying to preserve my bandwidth. Thank you. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 19:13:30 2014 From: bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com (Bruce Chadbourne) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:13:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 HI Current Conclusion Message-ID: To the group - closeout / lesson learned concerning the "HI CUR" warning. >From Don W3FPR I contacted Elecraft support, and sorted things out. They asked me to confirm the tightness of the LPA screws on the bottom of the rig - I did that and they were secure. In the process of disconnecting everything to turn the rig upside down I realized the ground connection was quite loose. They also asked my to run the TX Calibration (5watt and 50watt) using the K3 utility. A few months back I had the inkling that it had been several years since doing that, but never followed-up. So I ran it and reported the results to Elecraft support. He (Howard) said the readings looked good and stated that running the cal check may have corrected the issue as I've had no repeat of the HI CURRENT warning. So I've now got a clean health check and am good to go, but will keep my eyes open. I also realized I was a little behind on updating my firmware; took care of same. Thanks all, Bruce / KE1CY From va3mw at portcredit.net Thu Dec 18 19:14:02 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:14:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to admit, I really like this setup. http://www.oe2atn.at/tom/gobox/ Mike va3mw On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: > > I should mention that I liked the idea (at least conceptually) of the small > molle pouch that can be attached to any other radio bag or backpack. I > have been debating a larger standalone case (like a Pelican case) or camera > bag (I liked the Lowe one!) but then I think about using it in the field. > I will probably have a larger day pack so I am looking for something small > (but protective) that can go inside said pack or be attached to the > outside. > > It is very helpful to hear what others are using! Thanks for the feedback. > > Mark > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick > > handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was > > originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out > that > > it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > Mark > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From ky7k at cox.net Thu Dec 18 19:25:46 2014 From: ky7k at cox.net (ky7k) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:25:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found the Condor H2O case a perfect fit for the KX3 with sidekick and cover. Not sure its large enough for the heatsink too? It has enough padding/insulation that I really don?t worry about the radio as long as the cover is on it. http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma40h2opouch.aspx > On Dec 18, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > > I have to admit, I really like this setup. > > http://www.oe2atn.at/tom/gobox/ > > Mike va3mw > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: >> >> I should mention that I liked the idea (at least conceptually) of the small >> molle pouch that can be attached to any other radio bag or backpack. I >> have been debating a larger standalone case (like a Pelican case) or camera >> bag (I liked the Lowe one!) but then I think about using it in the field. >> I will probably have a larger day pack so I am looking for something small >> (but protective) that can go inside said pack or be attached to the >> outside. >> >> It is very helpful to hear what others are using! Thanks for the feedback. >> >> Mark >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick >>> handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was >>> originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out >> that >>> it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> > Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio! From w4des at sandersweb.net Thu Dec 18 19:57:04 2014 From: w4des at sandersweb.net (David Sanders) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:57:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wishlist--K3 utility for Linux amd64 In-Reply-To: <20141219000425.GI2514@n0nb.us> References: <20141219000425.GI2514@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <6850102E-6583-4826-B66C-42275AC8A037@sandersweb.net> Nate, adding the 32 bit libs to a 64 bit system is quick and easy on Debian. Only the necessary packages will be installed. The complete procedure including the download takes about 5 minutes. Look on the Debian wiki for the multiarc instructions. The tool chain doesn't currently support 64 bit Linux targets. They're not building with gcc. As soon as the tool chain is upgraded you'll probably see a 64 bit utility. But it really is easy to load the 32 bit libs and the utilities work flawlessly. 73 David W4DES Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Here is a wishlist item. > > Please consider offering the K3 and P3 utilities in the "amd63" > architecture for the users of popular 64 bit Linux distributions. > Despite the nomenclature, "amd64" runs on the common 64 bit processors > manufactured by AMD and Intel. In fact, I run Debian amd64 on Intel i5 > based machines. In my experience, building for amd64 should be quite > straight forward these days and just a matter of setting the target > architecture correctly. > > Yes, I could install the i386 multiarch packages and planned to do so, > but it pulls in many duplicate (i386 and amd64) packages and since I > have a slow Internet link, I'm trying to preserve my bandwidth. > > Thank you. > > 73, Nate > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w4des at sandersweb.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Dec 18 20:08:31 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:08:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BAB856D-6B54-4AC5-B2F7-5A185185FA95@wunderwood.org> That leaves the heatsink sealed up in the box, so it is likely to overheat. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 18, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > I have to admit, I really like this setup. > > http://www.oe2atn.at/tom/gobox/ > > Mike va3mw > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: >> >> I should mention that I liked the idea (at least conceptually) of the small >> molle pouch that can be attached to any other radio bag or backpack. I >> have been debating a larger standalone case (like a Pelican case) or camera >> bag (I liked the Lowe one!) but then I think about using it in the field. >> I will probably have a larger day pack so I am looking for something small >> (but protective) that can go inside said pack or be attached to the >> outside. >> >> It is very helpful to hear what others are using! Thanks for the feedback. >> >> Mark >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am looking for a case that will protect my KX3. I have the sidekick >>> handles and cover attached and also the Pro-Engineering heat sink. I was >>> originally hoping to use the Hazard 4 Jelly Roll case but I found out >> that >>> it is too snug (just barely) with these extra items attached. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Dec 18 20:30:18 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:30:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100? Message-ID: <2693e.72ac1949.41c4d9aa@aol.com> I am considering having a kit builder assemble a K2/100 for me to replace my current station (see QRZ) Before making the commitment I would like to chat with someone who owns a K2/100 and hear the PROs and CONs and any issues. Additionally if there is a K2/100 owner in the Woodinville, WA I would love a demonstration. Woodinville is 25 miless NE of Seattle. Please contact me offlist at _ardujenski at aol.com_ (mailto:ardujenski at aol.com) . I will be operating it primarily as a base station but want the ability to go portable QRP or to be able to operate off battery power during one of the many power outages. Thank you in advance for taking a few minutes to share your K2/100 experience with me Alan KB7MBI From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Dec 18 20:46:13 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:46:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 Tune button quit working Message-ID: <5f976.3f024b34.41c4dd65@aol.com> Was working OK. Turned rig on today and when I hit tune on the kX3 it does not tune. Two dashes show up on upper right corner of display and shows 5 watts. Receiver is off and led on the amp under 25 is blinking. Strange to say the least. Any ideas? 73 George/W2BPI From challinan at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 20:56:55 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:56:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! Message-ID: I just opened the box. Can't wait to dive in. I decided to buy the kit so I'd know how it goes together and be more comfortable with upgrades later down the road. Already saving for the P3 and then the KPA500! I've been reading the list for the past week or so, and learned much about the rig from the discussions here. >From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point and it worked quite well. Thanks, Chris K1AY Punta Gorda, FL -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Dec 18 21:11:26 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:11:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 Tune button quit working In-Reply-To: <5f976.3f024b34.41c4dd65@aol.com> References: <5f976.3f024b34.41c4dd65@aol.com> Message-ID: <1418955086944-7596132.post@n2.nabble.com> Is power supply on. It will do this if the power supply is off and you are running KX3 on internal battery. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-KXPA100-Tune-button-quit-working-tp7596130p7596132.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wa8jxm at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 21:19:04 2014 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> > On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for > the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for > external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point > and it worked quite well. Chris, One can, at least in theory, get by with feeding the audio directly between the K3 and the computer. However, from what I?ve read, adjustment is very sensistive and it is more susceptible to hum , RF pickup, etc. And you have to deal with how your computer handles the audio (mixers, audio enhancement, etc.) The SignaLink is a good, simple, reliable interface, well worth it IMO. Have fun and good luck with your construction. Ken WA8JXM From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Dec 18 21:48:38 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:48:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: <1BAB856D-6B54-4AC5-B2F7-5A185185FA95@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: I used a Pelican 1300 case to bring my KX3, PX3, cables MN3, KX3 cw paddle, BNC-binding post adapter, home brew 6w dummy load, Pro Audio Engineering PAE-KX33 power supply, and more cables to New Hampshire via Southwest Airlines. I also had 2 wire antennas separately in the suit case, but most of the coax lives here. Having just fought through the W1AW/4 pileup on 40M QRP cw, I'm quite happy with the results. Of course there are always improvements I can make to the antennas, but that will probably wait until next spring. I also have a number of UI issues with the PX3, but I'm trying to work with it. (That might be something for a different thread.) For air travel, the Pelican works quite well. For backpacking, I'd like one of Rose's. Since she is just finishing chemotherapy, I would not expect her to have the energy for sewing. I'm wishing her a speedy recovery, so I can place my order. :-) 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | it. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Dec 18 22:01:13 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:01:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 Tune button quit working Message-ID: <60c7d.20dfde2c.41c4eef9@aol.com> Both units on the same supply. Geo/W2BPI Is power supply on. It will do this if the power supply is off and you are running KX3 on internal battery. From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 22:21:54 2014 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:21:54 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100? In-Reply-To: <2693e.72ac1949.41c4d9aa@aol.com> References: <2693e.72ac1949.41c4d9aa@aol.com> Message-ID: <9EFAE9B1-2FC0-4F4D-A811-2D55FCB99D9B@gmail.com> First I would say though that one of the big reasons to get a K2 is the fun/experiences of building it yourself. If you are farming that out to someone else, then I would be thinking carefully if K2 is the right option, or whether a more modern design radio might fit the bill better (like KX3, K3, or even, dare I say it here, a brand Y/I/K radio) Assuming you go with a K2, then if you want to take the K2 portable QRP, you need to think about whether you want to install the KPA100 in the same chassis as the K2, or whether you want to put it in a separate enclosure, or maybe even consider a separate amplifier like the KXPA100. Below are some pros/cons of the different options. KPA100 in same enclosure as K2: + one easy convenient fully integrated package + if you want to run the radio as QRP, just power it using the coaxial power connector, and the KPA100 is bypassed - have to lug the heavy KPA100 with you when you go portable - if you want an ATU, it will need to be separate - can?t put the 20W QRP ATU in the K2 enclosure (need to swap lids, which is a hassle), battery option, etc. (actually, I would prefer to run the K2 off external LiFePO4 batteries rather than put an SLA inside) KPA100 in separate enclosure as K2: + full integration between K2 and amplifier + can leave the KPA100 behind when you go QRP + can put a 100W ATU in the same enclosure as the KPA100 + can also equip K2 with 20W ATU, battery, etc. ready for portable operation - takes more desk space - if you want to go QRO portable, you need to take two enclosures - can?t use the KPA100 with any other radios besides K2 K2 with separate KXPA100 amplifier: + can leave amplifier behind when going QRP portable + can equip K2 with 20W ATU, battery, etc. + flexibility to use the amplifier with other radios, like KX3, FT817, etc. + can put 100W ATU in same enclosure as KXPA100 - integration with K2 not quite as good as KPA100/KAT100 - may need to build extra keying circuit - takes desk space/need to take two boxes for QRO portable Other people on the list may have further comments based on their experiences (I myself ended up going for the third KXPA100 option, mainly because I had a KX3 already). 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 19 Dec 2014, at 12:30 pm, Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft wrote: > > I am considering having a kit builder assemble a K2/100 for me to replace > my current station (see QRZ) Before making the commitment I would like to > chat with someone who owns a K2/100 and hear the PROs and CONs and any > issues. Additionally if there is a K2/100 owner in the Woodinville, WA I would > love a demonstration. Woodinville is 25 miless NE of Seattle. > > Please contact me offlist at _ardujenski at aol.com_ > (mailto:ardujenski at aol.com) . > > I will be operating it primarily as a base station but want the ability to > go portable QRP or to be able to operate off battery power during one of > the many power outages. > > Thank you in advance for taking a few minutes to share your K2/100 > experience with me > > Alan KB7MBI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Dec 18 22:32:21 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:32:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Knob Question Message-ID: <1418959941.20711.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I have a new K3, well, maybe 4 months old now... I noticed that the CW Speed knob, and the Filter Width knob have become noticeably sloppy in their mounting holes, as compared to the other knobs of the same type. There is perhaps 1/8 inch of play at the end of both knobs. This is as measured by grasping one of the knobs gently pulling it left or right. The shaft feels like it is becoming loose in the encoder. The power and shift knobs on the face do not have this level of play in them, they have about 1/2 the amount. Originally these knobs all felt the same. Is this a sign of impending failure, or just a sign of use? I am assuming from the feel and look of the failure, that it is not the knob that is the issue, but the encoder shaft. The knobs feel exactly as new if I press them in to change functions, they just seem loose in the encoder mounting while handling them. If I turn the filter width too fast, it skips, is this normal? These are the two knobs I use the most. I am quite careful in handling the radio, so it is not caused by my over stressing the knobs in their mounts. I treat them gently all the time. Any thoughts? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From TimEdmonson at spfs.net Thu Dec 18 22:34:38 2014 From: TimEdmonson at spfs.net (Tim Edmonson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 03:34:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100? In-Reply-To: <9EFAE9B1-2FC0-4F4D-A811-2D55FCB99D9B@gmail.com> References: <2693e.72ac1949.41c4d9aa@aol.com>, <9EFAE9B1-2FC0-4F4D-A811-2D55FCB99D9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60725E88-174A-434C-AAE2-DEA56E5D6F1D@spfs.net> I bought a k2 with every option and a battery pack. I also bought the external at/100 and pa/100 in the "twin" enclosure. My idea is same as yours qrp/portable with the battery pack and built in tuner then at home with external amp/tuner combo. I love mine and have completed it to my kenwood TS-590sG that I recently bought. I have owned the k2 setup a few weeks I got it from a ham about 4 hours away and I drove up to but it. I believe it is every bit as good a receiver if not better than the TS-590 and way better in HF than my TS-2000. Buy one you'll love it- even if you don't choose to build your yourself it is still a very capable rig. I can have any rig in the world I want but I've found myself using the k2 consistently since I got it. Tim Edmonson Captain D's Area partner-Ky 270-978-1014 > On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:22 PM, "Matt VK2RQ" wrote: > > First I would say though that one of the big reasons to get a K2 is the fun/experiences of building it yourself. If you are farming that out to someone else, then I would be thinking carefully if K2 is the right option, or whether a more modern design radio might fit the bill better (like KX3, K3, or even, dare I say it here, a brand Y/I/K radio) > > Assuming you go with a K2, then if you want to take the K2 portable QRP, you need to think about whether you want to install the KPA100 in the same chassis as the K2, or whether you want to put it in a separate enclosure, or maybe even consider a separate amplifier like the KXPA100. Below are some pros/cons of the different options. > > KPA100 in same enclosure as K2: > + one easy convenient fully integrated package > + if you want to run the radio as QRP, just power it using the coaxial power connector, and the KPA100 is bypassed > - have to lug the heavy KPA100 with you when you go portable > - if you want an ATU, it will need to be separate > - can?t put the 20W QRP ATU in the K2 enclosure (need to swap lids, which is a hassle), battery option, etc. (actually, I would prefer to run the K2 off external LiFePO4 batteries rather than put an SLA inside) > > KPA100 in separate enclosure as K2: > + full integration between K2 and amplifier > + can leave the KPA100 behind when you go QRP > + can put a 100W ATU in the same enclosure as the KPA100 > + can also equip K2 with 20W ATU, battery, etc. ready for portable operation > - takes more desk space > - if you want to go QRO portable, you need to take two enclosures > - can?t use the KPA100 with any other radios besides K2 > > K2 with separate KXPA100 amplifier: > + can leave amplifier behind when going QRP portable > + can equip K2 with 20W ATU, battery, etc. > + flexibility to use the amplifier with other radios, like KX3, FT817, etc. > + can put 100W ATU in same enclosure as KXPA100 > - integration with K2 not quite as good as KPA100/KAT100 > - may need to build extra keying circuit > - takes desk space/need to take two boxes for QRO portable > > Other people on the list may have further comments based on their experiences (I myself ended up going for the third KXPA100 option, mainly because I had a KX3 already). > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > >> On 19 Dec 2014, at 12:30 pm, Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I am considering having a kit builder assemble a K2/100 for me to replace >> my current station (see QRZ) Before making the commitment I would like to >> chat with someone who owns a K2/100 and hear the PROs and CONs and any >> issues. Additionally if there is a K2/100 owner in the Woodinville, WA I would >> love a demonstration. Woodinville is 25 miless NE of Seattle. >> >> Please contact me offlist at _ardujenski at aol.com_ >> (mailto:ardujenski at aol.com) . >> >> I will be operating it primarily as a base station but want the ability to >> go portable QRP or to be able to operate off battery power during one of >> the many power outages. >> >> Thank you in advance for taking a few minutes to share your K2/100 >> experience with me >> >> Alan KB7MBI >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to timedmonson at spfs.net From n0nb at n0nb.us Thu Dec 18 22:38:49 2014 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Wishlist--K3 utility for Linux amd64 In-Reply-To: <6850102E-6583-4826-B66C-42275AC8A037@sandersweb.net> References: <20141219000425.GI2514@n0nb.us> <6850102E-6583-4826-B66C-42275AC8A037@sandersweb.net> Message-ID: <20141219033849.GL2514@n0nb.us> * On 2014 18 Dec 18:58 -0600, David Sanders wrote: > Nate, adding the 32 bit libs to a 64 bit system is quick and easy on > Debian. Only the necessary packages will be installed. The complete > procedure including the download takes about 5 minutes. Look on the > Debian wiki for the multiarc instructions. My objection was not the process--easily done--but the duplication of packages on Unstable with limited Internet bandwidth. Having to download 43 MB just for installing libgtk2.0-0:i386 made me back up. > The tool chain doesn't currently support 64 bit Linux targets. They're > not building with gcc. As soon as the tool chain is upgraded you'll > probably see a 64 bit utility. Very well. > But it really is easy to load the 32 bit libs and the utilities work > flawlessly. I opted to use the Debian Wheezy i386 Virtual Box machine to run the utility. As I need the utility rather seldom this is a good method for me and works flawlessly. Virtual machines are a great way to continue to use aging software. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 22:52:55 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Knob Question In-Reply-To: <1418959941.20711.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1418959941.20711.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: I had to replace two of those that got bunged, plus the dual AF/SUB pot, a drop to the face of the K3. While it was straightforward, it is a good bit of work, and it's careful soldering. The same thing would apply if your encoders quit working due to wear or ... I wouldn't take it on unless you lose operation. Mine have always had a bit of play. I've gotten used to it and don't think about it any more. Every now and then a slow knob turn on one of the encoders doesn't move the setting, but I think that's an internal time out thing waiting for the other half of the state change to come across the line into the CPU. Don't expect people to be creeping with the adjustment. On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:32 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a new K3, well, maybe 4 months old now... I noticed that the CW > Speed knob, and the Filter Width knob have become noticeably sloppy in > their mounting holes, as compared to the other knobs of the same type. > > There is perhaps 1/8 inch of play at the end of both knobs. This is as > measured by grasping one of the knobs gently pulling it left or right. > The shaft feels like it is becoming loose in the encoder. > > The power and shift knobs on the face do not have this level of play in > them, they have about 1/2 the amount. Originally these knobs all felt > the same. > > Is this a sign of impending failure, or just a sign of use? I am > assuming from the feel and look of the failure, that it is not the knob > that is the issue, but the encoder shaft. The knobs feel exactly as new > if I press them in to change functions, they just seem loose in the > encoder mounting while handling them. If I turn the filter width too > fast, it skips, is this normal? > > These are the two knobs I use the most. I am quite careful in handling > the radio, so it is not caused by my over stressing the knobs in their > mounts. I treat them gently all the time. Any thoughts? > > -- > > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 19 00:02:21 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Knob Question In-Reply-To: <1418959941.20711.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1418959941.20711.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <5493B15D.8050904@embarqmail.com> David, The shaft of the encoders used does have a bit of lateral play. That is not normally a sign of impending failure, just an indication of use. I would not be concerned about it unless there are signs of rotational encoder problems. If the encoders do fail, they can be replaced yourself if you have good de-soldering equipment. Since your K3 is less than 1 year old, Elecraft will supply the encoders at no cost should you wish to replace them. As I said, I would not bother unless there is an indication of failure to respond when they are rotated. If the encoders are turned quite fast, it is possible that the firmware cycles cannot keep up with that speed. A bad encoder will appear erratic rather then slow responding. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2014 10:32 PM, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I have a new K3, well, maybe 4 months old now... I noticed that the CW > Speed knob, and the Filter Width knob have become noticeably sloppy in > their mounting holes, as compared to the other knobs of the same type. > > There is perhaps 1/8 inch of play at the end of both knobs. This is as > measured by grasping one of the knobs gently pulling it left or right. > The shaft feels like it is becoming loose in the encoder. > > The power and shift knobs on the face do not have this level of play in > them, they have about 1/2 the amount. Originally these knobs all felt > the same. > > Is this a sign of impending failure, or just a sign of use? I am > assuming from the feel and look of the failure, that it is not the knob > that is the issue, but the encoder shaft. The knobs feel exactly as new > if I press them in to change functions, they just seem loose in the > encoder mounting while handling them. If I turn the filter width too > fast, it skips, is this normal? > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Dec 19 00:15:10 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:15:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> References: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Signalink is noisy and the VOX is not needed because you can use the KX3 VOX. I highly recommend reading K9YC?s short paper on audio interfacing. He knows more about this stuff than I ever will. http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Ken wrote: > >> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> >> From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for >> the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for >> external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point >> and it worked quite well. > > > Chris, > > One can, at least in theory, get by with feeding the audio directly between the K3 and the computer. However, from what I?ve read, adjustment is very sensistive and it is more susceptible to hum , RF pickup, etc. And you have to deal with how your computer handles the audio (mixers, audio enhancement, etc.) The SignaLink is a good, simple, reliable interface, well worth it IMO. > > Have fun and good luck with your construction. > > Ken WA8JXM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From dave at nk7z.net Fri Dec 19 00:29:37 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:29:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Knob Question In-Reply-To: <5493B15D.8050904@embarqmail.com> References: <1418959941.20711.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <5493B15D.8050904@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1418966977.20711.117.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi Don, Thank you for the information... I was wondering if the K3 was getting overrun with fast turning, it does feel like that to me... But it could also be encoder failure... We will see... In any case, it is good to know the replacement is not a huge issue... Thank you! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 00:02 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote: > David, > > The shaft of the encoders used does have a bit of lateral play. That is > not normally a sign of impending failure, just an indication of use. I > would not be concerned about it unless there are signs of rotational > encoder problems. > > If the encoders do fail, they can be replaced yourself if you have good > de-soldering equipment. Since your K3 is less than 1 year old, Elecraft > will supply the encoders at no cost should you wish to replace them. As > I said, I would not bother unless there is an indication of failure to > respond when they are rotated. > > If the encoders are turned quite fast, it is possible that the firmware > cycles cannot keep up with that speed. A bad encoder will appear > erratic rather then slow responding. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/18/2014 10:32 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a new K3, well, maybe 4 months old now... I noticed that the CW > > Speed knob, and the Filter Width knob have become noticeably sloppy in > > their mounting holes, as compared to the other knobs of the same type. > > > > There is perhaps 1/8 inch of play at the end of both knobs. This is as > > measured by grasping one of the knobs gently pulling it left or right. > > The shaft feels like it is becoming loose in the encoder. > > > > The power and shift knobs on the face do not have this level of play in > > them, they have about 1/2 the amount. Originally these knobs all felt > > the same. > > > > Is this a sign of impending failure, or just a sign of use? I am > > assuming from the feel and look of the failure, that it is not the knob > > that is the issue, but the encoder shaft. The knobs feel exactly as new > > if I press them in to change functions, they just seem loose in the > > encoder mounting while handling them. If I turn the filter width too > > fast, it skips, is this normal? > > > From dave at nk7z.net Fri Dec 19 00:32:46 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:32:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1418967166.20711.120.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I used to use a Rigblaster on my old Icom, I got the K3, and after asking was told no need... I reluctantly connected everything, and it works just fine with out an interface... No hum, everything works very well... I have no wires coming out the front of the rig, nor to I have to rewire for mode changes... I am totally happy with teh lack of an interface... Do download everything K9YC has published and read it... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2014-12-18 at 21:15 -0800, Walter Underwood wrote: > The Signalink is noisy and the VOX is not needed because you can use the KX3 VOX. > > I highly recommend reading K9YC?s short paper on audio interfacing. He knows more about this stuff than I ever will. > > http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Ken wrote: > > > > >> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > >> > >> From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for > >> the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for > >> external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point > >> and it worked quite well. > > > > > > Chris, > > > > One can, at least in theory, get by with feeding the audio directly between the K3 and the computer. However, from what I?ve read, adjustment is very sensistive and it is more susceptible to hum , RF pickup, etc. And you have to deal with how your computer handles the audio (mixers, audio enhancement, etc.) The SignaLink is a good, simple, reliable interface, well worth it IMO. > > > > Have fun and good luck with your construction. > > > > Ken WA8JXM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Dec 19 03:17:49 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 23:17:49 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! Message-ID: <201412190817.sBJ8Hn99064734@huffman.acsalaska.net> Our little border collie used to go "nuts!" if a "brown truck" came into the neighborhood. Sadly she passed in 2009 but now we have a "not-little" German Shepherd-mix that goes "nuts" if any vehicle drives down "her road" :-D Re: use of the K3 with computer for digital modes. I have never of heard your complaints on the K3. I have mine directly connected with RS audio cables (with 2.5mm connectors) and the K3 USB/RS232 cable for control of PTT and keying. I've no problem with hum or difficulty setting levels. I pre-set my K3 Line-in at 10. I use two different soundcards: emu0202 and Delta-44. http://www.kl7uw.com/station%20layout.htm The automatic mode shift by memory channels is very nice. I use the Frequency Memory Editor to set up my favorite digital frequencies (once) and forget. I use DATA-A for this since I am running soundcard sw on my computer (WSJT, WSPR, FLdigi). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 19 03:43:06 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:43:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5493E51A.2020405@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/18/2014 5:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Wonder what others are using for > external interface for digital modes? Here's my advice. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 05:52:37 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 04:52:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <98ABBFEF-616D-4418-B767-0725470B6406@gmail.com> Definitely use some type of external sound card. In this day and age and all the admonishments to not do so, I *still* hear Windows sounds over the air when using the ?default? sound card. If you spend just a few dollars more (you?ve already bought the K3, don?t scrimp on the interface), you can buy something much nicer than the SLUSB. I use the Creative Labs EMU 0204 and have posted here how well it hears regularly. The EMU is no longer available new, but they crop up for sale every once in a while on the used market. As a matter of fact, there is a used one for sale on qrz.com (http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?461417-E-MU-0204-Soundcard-Unit ). This one is not mine nor do I know the ham who is selling it. As in all other money exchanges, caveat emptor. I am sure Jim will weigh in on this. As Walter said, listen to what Jim says about the subject. He even has a paper on the subject that is easy to read and understand. Good luck with whichever interface you choose. Maybe I?ll see your trace on the waterfall soon. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > The Signalink is noisy and the VOX is not needed because you can use the KX3 VOX. > > I highly recommend reading K9YC?s short paper on audio interfacing. He knows more about this stuff than I ever will. > > http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > From challinan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 07:36:44 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <98ABBFEF-616D-4418-B767-0725470B6406@gmail.com> References: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> <98ABBFEF-616D-4418-B767-0725470B6406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all for the great info, and esp. Walter and others who suggested the reading material from Jim, K9WC, I'll make that a priority to digest. I hadn't thought about the PC sounds, so given the way I operate, I'll probably opt for the external sound card. I love my PC sounds, and have custom sounds for lots of events, including the band edge alerts, and sounds from other programs that I usually have open when I operate. I'm so silly with my sounds I have a 4-port mixer here in the shack that I pipe everything into to drive a pair of old speakers. Looking forward to experiencing whatever stereo effects are offered in the K3 using that setup! (Hint: Feature request: Stereo CW where the center of the passband is in the "middle", with lower freqs going left, and higher freqs going right...) ;) I started the build last night, looks like I'll be done in one or two more evenings. See you all on the air!! Thanks again, Chris K1AY Punta Gorda, FL On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Joel Black wrote: > > Definitely use some type of external sound card. In this day and age and > all the admonishments to not do so, I *still* hear Windows sounds over the > air when using the "default" sound card. > > If you spend just a few dollars more (you've already bought the K3, don't > scrimp on the interface), you can buy something much nicer than the SLUSB. > I use the Creative Labs EMU 0204 and have posted here how well it hears > regularly. The EMU is no longer available new, but they crop up for sale > every once in a while on the used market. As a matter of fact, there is a > used one for sale on qrz.com ( > http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?461417-E-MU-0204-Soundcard-Unit < > http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?461417-E-MU-0204-Soundcard-Unit>). > This one is not mine nor do I know the ham who is selling it. As in all > other money exchanges, caveat emptor. > > I am sure Jim will weigh in on this. As Walter said, listen to what Jim > says about the subject. He even has a paper on the subject that is easy to > read and understand. > > Good luck with whichever interface you choose. Maybe I'll see your trace > on the waterfall soon. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > > > > On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Walter Underwood > wrote: > > > > The Signalink is noisy and the VOX is not needed because you can use the > KX3 VOX. > > > > I highly recommend reading K9YC's short paper on audio interfacing. He > knows more about this stuff than I ever will. > > > > http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > > > wunder > > K6WRU > > CM87wj > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From challinan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 07:44:47 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:44:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wishlist--K3 utility for Linux amd64 In-Reply-To: <20141219033849.GL2514@n0nb.us> References: <20141219000425.GI2514@n0nb.us> <6850102E-6583-4826-B66C-42275AC8A037@sandersweb.net> <20141219033849.GL2514@n0nb.us> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 18 Dec 18:58 -0600, David Sanders wrote: > > Virtual machines are a great way to continue to use aging software. Ah yes. And even recent software! I'm typing this e-mail on my Macbook Pro, with a dual screen setup. On the other screen is HRD Rig control and Logbook, running under VMware Fusion in Unity view mode! Gotta love it. -Chris (K1AY) -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:26:05 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:26:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5494276D.3010202@embarqmail.com> Chris, A good quality external soundcard will do much better than the SignaLink (the Signalink noise floor is poor and is only a single audio channel). The K3 has galvanic isolation (transformers) built into the Line In and Line Out lines. Jim Brown K9YC has recommended a Tascam soundcard as a good and relatively inexpensive one. You might also want to read Jim's information on bonding equipment. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2014 8:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > >From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for > the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for > external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point > and it worked quite well. > > From km6cq at km6cq.com Fri Dec 19 08:43:01 2014 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:43:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice Message-ID: I use a 6X9 Padded Case made by Maxpedition. http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/6-x-9-Padded-Pouch-13p1211.htm It works very well for me. It is too big for belt carry. It will easily go inside or attach to your backpack or go inside your suit case. It is made very well. Amazon carries them. 73, Dan KM6CQ From kq2rp.cw at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 08:43:56 2014 From: kq2rp.cw at gmail.com (Chris Del Plato KQ2RP) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:43:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice Message-ID: Size will depend on how many accessories/batteries, etc. you want to also put inside, but I have a Pelican Storm iM2050 which is very well made and not expensive. With the heat sink installed, you may wish to bump up to the next size over what I have if you plan on putting in any additional stuff. Images here: http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/47831060330/new-pelican-storm-im2050-case-to-keep-my-kx3-safe http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-pair-of-these-audio 72, Chris KQ2RP From k2mk at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 09:26:25 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:26:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1418999185240-7596152.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Chris, I've been going direct for digital modes for years with my K3 and never had a problem even at legal limit. If you like your PC sounds and don't want to turn them off when you operate digital you only need a small under $10 USB audio adapter. I'm using this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MSS6CS/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It has its own identification on the Windows sound control panel so when you set up your K3 to take sounds from your PC you just identify this device as the source. That lets you set the level independent of your normal PC sounds. I still feed audio from the K3 directly into the PC. I think there is a minor problem with this particular audio adapter as it wants to be a monaural microphone input device rather than a stereo line input device. But there are many similar devices on Amazon to choose from. 73, Mike K2MK Chris Hallinan wrote > I just opened the box. Can't wait to dive in. I decided to buy the kit > so > I'd know how it goes together and be more comfortable with upgrades later > down the road. Already saving for the P3 and then the KPA500! > > I've been reading the list for the past week or so, and learned much about > the rig from the discussions here. > > From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required > for > the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for > external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point > and it worked quite well. > > Thanks, > Chris > K1AY -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Little-brown-truck-arrived-w-my-K3-tp7596131p7596152.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Dec 19 09:58:14 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:58:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My computer's (MacBook Pro) sound system doesn't support bi-directional sound. I have used a SignaLink for several years now and been happy with it. I do intend to get a higher quality interface to see if I can decode weaker signals. I operated using the K3's VOX for several years. My normal way of operating is to look for signals on the P3, switch to their mode, and copy them. I got tired of having to turn VOX off in the voice modes and then back on for PC digital and built a cable which connected the VOX line from the SignaLink to the K3. Now changing modes is just switching modes on the K3 and getting the right program's window to the front on the computer. I only wish my KX3 changed between PC digital and voice modes as easily. On 12/18/14 at 9:15 PM, wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: >The Signalink is noisy and the VOX is not needed because you can use the KX3 VOX. 73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w0eb at cox.net Fri Dec 19 10:01:18 2014 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:01:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An alternative to the Pelican is a pretty decent one offered by Marlin P. Jones Associates, a surplus place out of Florida. I use one of their larger size ones for the KX3. It has pluckable foam and is a tad bit cheaper than the Pelican. No manufacturer's markings on it, but it looks like it might be a (probably Chinese) knockoff of one of the Pelican style cases. They have two sizes, 12 X 7.4 X 4.4 inches ( http://www.mpja.com/12in-X-74in-X-44in-Waterproof-Case/productinfo/18351%20BX/ ) in which the KX3 fits nicely along with a 3 amp power supply, microphone, some cables/adapters and the Elecraft key paddle for the KX3. I use their smaller one for the PX3 along with it's cables. The smaller one is 9.3 X 6.2 X 3.5 inches ( http://www.mpja.com/93in-X-62in-X-35in-Waterproof-Case/productinfo/17813%20BX/ ) with the same pluckable foam. Both cases are very water resistant if not totally waterproof like claimed and they have pressure relief valves on them for shipping via aircraft. They also have locking holes for padlocks if needed. They are quite well made out of molded ABS plastic, O ring sealed and very positive latches on the covers. usual disclamer, no interest in MPJA other than a satisfied customer. Jim - W0EB From w0eb at cox.net Fri Dec 19 10:02:34 2014 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:02:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An alternative to the Pelican is a pretty decent one offered by Marlin P. Jones Associates, a surplus place out of Florida. I use one of their larger size ones for the KX3. It has pluckable foam and is a tad bit cheaper than the Pelican. No manufacturer's markings on it, but it looks like it might be a (probably Chinese) knockoff of one of the Pelican style cases. They have two sizes, 12 X 7.4 X 4.4 inches ( http://www.mpja.com/12in-X-74in-X-44in-Waterproof-Case/productinfo/18351%20BX/ ) in which the KX3 fits nicely along with a 3 amp power supply, microphone, some cables/adapters and the Elecraft key paddle for the KX3. I use their smaller one for the PX3 along with it's cables. The smaller one is 9.3 X 6.2 X 3.5 inches ( http://www.mpja.com/93in-X-62in-X-35in-Waterproof-Case/productinfo/17813%20BX/ ) with the same pluckable foam. Both cases are very water resistant if not totally waterproof like claimed and they have pressure relief valves on them for shipping via aircraft. They also have locking holes for padlocks if needed. They are quite well made out of molded ABS plastic, O ring sealed and very positive latches on the covers. usual disclamer, no interest in MPJA other than a satisfied customer. Jim - W0EB From challinan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 10:26:53 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:26:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. Are you using your Macbook Pro native for digital modes? If so, what software are you using? -Chris On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > My computer's (MacBook Pro) sound system doesn't support bi-directional > sound. I have used a SignaLink for several years now and been happy with > it. I do intend to get a higher quality interface to see if I can decode > weaker signals. > > I operated using the K3's VOX for several years. My normal way of > operating is to look for signals on the P3, switch to their mode, and copy > them. I got tired of having to turn VOX off in the voice modes and then > back on for PC digital and built a cable which connected the VOX line from > the SignaLink to the K3. Now changing modes is just switching modes on the > K3 and getting the right program's window to the front on the computer. I > only wish my KX3 changed between PC digital and voice modes as easily. > > On 12/18/14 at 9:15 PM, wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: > > The Signalink is noisy and the VOX is not needed because you can use the >> KX3 VOX. >> > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Dec 19 10:56:09 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 07:56:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <5493E51A.2020405@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5493E51A.2020405@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <4DAB0397-1649-4F25-B1CB-2AD76C0922EE@wunderwood.org> Jim updated this in July to recommend two current, high-quality USB audio interfaces. At $49 and $99, either is cheaper than the Signalink. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/639303-REG/Numark_STEREO%7CIO_Stereo_iO_USB.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/657978-REG/Tascam_US_122MKII_US_122MKII_USB_2_0.html wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,12/18/2014 5:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> Wonder what others are using for >> external interface for digital modes? > > Here's my advice. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From radioham at mchsi.com Fri Dec 19 10:59:17 2014 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:59:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <5494276D.3010202@embarqmail.com> References: <5494276D.3010202@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <21DFC59C-8A9B-4C01-96D6-74BBAADC62DE@mchsi.com> Memory loss here. Remind me what the second audio channel is used for. David K0LUM On Dec 19, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Chris, > > A good quality external soundcard will do much better than the SignaLink (the Signalink noise floor is poor and is only a single audio channel). > > The K3 has galvanic isolation (transformers) built into the Line In and Line Out lines. > Jim Brown K9YC has recommended a Tascam soundcard as a good and relatively inexpensive one. You might also want to read Jim's information on bonding equipment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 19 11:12:29 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <21DFC59C-8A9B-4C01-96D6-74BBAADC62DE@mchsi.com> References: <5494276D.3010202@embarqmail.com> <21DFC59C-8A9B-4C01-96D6-74BBAADC62DE@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <54944E6D.9040303@embarqmail.com> David, For data mode operation, most applications use only the left channel, but there are a few that can swap channels. I would stick with a stereo device for the most flexibility. And, if you want to use the soundcard for some other purpose (such as for SDR purposes - like the KX3 I/Q RX output), you will need both channels. In other words, more flexibility, wider bandwidth and better audio noise characteristics than the SLUSB provides. The bandwidth is not important for data mode operation, but is a real asset for SDR use. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/19/2014 10:59 AM, David Christ wrote: > Memory loss here. Remind me what the second audio channel is used for. > > From todd at ruby-wine.com Fri Dec 19 12:17:27 2014 From: todd at ruby-wine.com (todd ruby) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:17:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] switching VFO A knob to B VFO Message-ID: <3C2C46EE-53EB-4AEF-A27A-D50D3F3A777C@ruby-wine.com> Is it possible when operating split to use the larger A VFO knob to control the B VFO and the smaller B knob to set the A VFO freq? I am asking this as I will be operating W1AW/3 and if I have to work split it would be easier to leave the xmit freq controlled by the smaller knob and tune the ?spread? with the large VFO A knob. I hope I made sense and would appreciate any suggestions. tnx 73 todd WB2ZAB From droese at necg.de Fri Dec 19 12:36:34 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:36:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] switching VFO A knob to B VFO In-Reply-To: <3C2C46EE-53EB-4AEF-A27A-D50D3F3A777C@ruby-wine.com> References: <3C2C46EE-53EB-4AEF-A27A-D50D3F3A777C@ruby-wine.com> Message-ID: <54946222.1020103@necg.de> Hi Todd, simply switch SPLIT on and it will work exactly as you described. ;-) In SPLIT mode VFO A is the RX frequency while VFO B is the TX frequency. Have fun with the pileups! 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 19.12.2014 um 18:17 schrieb todd ruby: > Is it possible when operating split to use the larger A VFO knob to control the B VFO and the smaller B knob to set the A VFO freq? I am asking this as I will be operating W1AW/3 and if I have to work split it would be easier to leave the xmit freq controlled by the smaller knob and tune the ?spread? with the large VFO A knob. > > I hope I made sense and would appreciate any suggestions. > > tnx > > 73 > todd > WB2ZAB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From challinan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:37:36 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:37:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <4DAB0397-1649-4F25-B1CB-2AD76C0922EE@wunderwood.org> References: <5493E51A.2020405@audiosystemsgroup.com> <4DAB0397-1649-4F25-B1CB-2AD76C0922EE@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Ah. The light bulb just clicked on. Thanks for posting the links, Walter. Great write-up, Jim. Just finished reading it. I don't need anything related to rig control if I choose vox operation, and guess what? I'm an amateur musician and I have at least 2 audio interfaces in the house. Of course, they are overkill (one is an old Edirol FA-101 with 8 inputs and outputs, and one is a very nice Steinberg UR-28M. Both are way more than I need for digital modes.) I'll probably buy the Tascam only because I love buttons, knobs, and LEDs. (Don't we all?) LOL Thanks guys, Chris K1AY On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Jim updated this in July to recommend two current, high-quality USB audio > interfaces. At $49 and $99, either is cheaper than the Signalink. > > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/639303-REG/Numark_STEREO%7CIO_Stereo_iO_USB.html > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/657978-REG/Tascam_US_122MKII_US_122MKII_USB_2_0.html > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > > On Thu,12/18/2014 5:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > >> Wonder what others are using for > >> external interface for digital modes? > > > > Here's my advice. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From jackbrindle at me.com Fri Dec 19 12:43:59 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:43:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <54944E6D.9040303@embarqmail.com> References: <5494276D.3010202@embarqmail.com> <21DFC59C-8A9B-4C01-96D6-74BBAADC62DE@mchsi.com> <54944E6D.9040303@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <20AA4615-EED6-4BB1-B8CB-C99A956E7BB7@me.com> I?ll go beyond this. CocoaModem allows for decoding two streams simultaneously. I feed the main receiver to the left channel, and the K3?s sub receiver to the right. Of course only one channel can be used for transmit since Wayne hasn?t developer a sub transmitter yet. ;-) Other digital apps provide similar services that take advantage of separate audio feeds from the radio. There are other uses - during a contest I will also feed the output of each receiver to be recorded on the computer. This allows me to replay some of the contest if I really get bored (makes good CW practice as well), and makes the disk vendors happier when I need more storage for all the audio files? Note that if you want to play with CW Skimmer having high bandwidth is a huge advantage. The SLUSB has a relatively narrow bandwidth coded which means narrow band of frequencies will be decoded. Wide band interfaces will allow a much wider swath of frequencies to be decoded with Skimmer and similar software. This will be limited by the platform hardware and USB Audio drivers in play. The Mac audio, for example limits bandwidth to relatively narrow widths (96KHz as I recall), while Windows allows double that. I do not know if Windows running on VMware Fusion on the Mac will allow wider bandwidths from the audio interface, but my suspicion is that it will since Fusion provides its own USB drivers. - Jack B, W6FB > On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > David, > > For data mode operation, most applications use only the left channel, but there are a few that can swap channels. I would stick with a stereo device for the most flexibility. > And, if you want to use the soundcard for some other purpose (such as for SDR purposes - like the KX3 I/Q RX output), you will need both channels. > > In other words, more flexibility, wider bandwidth and better audio noise characteristics than the SLUSB provides. The bandwidth is not important for data mode operation, but is a real asset for SDR use. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/19/2014 10:59 AM, David Christ wrote: >> Memory loss here. Remind me what the second audio channel is used for. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From rtavan at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:10:44 2014 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:10:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Auto antenna select In-Reply-To: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yes, I use my KPA500/KAT500 pair remotely. The driver is a K3, so I don't need RF-sensed band and antenna switching, but it should work fine with a non-K3 driver. I rely mainly on antenna switching external to the KAT, but its three antenna ports are adequate for many stations without the added complexity of external switching. For remote control, I recommend KPA500 Remote and KAT500 Remote, available on the Elecraft Web site. They provide functionally complete and graphically attractive on-screen interfaces. Although they can be used locally at the radio site, they also support a client-server mode in which the server runs at the radio site and the client runs at the control site. That requires a computer at both sites, of course. If you don't believe in having a computer active at the radio site, you can also run them in local mode at the control site only, using remote serial ports at the radio site. Your idea of pre-programming the KAT before operating remotely is a good one. I recommend using MAN mode after that. Relying on AUTO mode makes me nervous, especially when I'm not present to hear the relays clanking. GL & 73, /Rick N6XI On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Va3ied wrote: > > I recently purchased the kat500....and love it. Has anyone programmed their > freq and antenna ports and then used it remotely? As I understand it, after > sensing rf the unit will switch to the correct antenna and tune it? It > does. > To require any other connections? > > 73 > Scott > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Auto-antenna-select-tp7596100.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From wes at triconet.org Fri Dec 19 13:42:59 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:42:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <1418967166.20711.120.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <27DECEFB-8062-4893-9EE5-957445BCEFB6@gmail.com> <1418967166.20711.120.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <549471B3.2070501@triconet.org> Me too. I had a Signalink. With the K3 I found no difference between it and the built-in sound of my Lenovo T400 laptop, which is my current system. At K9YC's suggestion I acquired a Tascam US-100. While it worked fine, there was no noticeable difference in performance on my modes of choice, RTTY and PSK. Perhaps on so called lower noise modes like JT65 there would be some difference: I can't say. Personally, I think we're at the mercy of the quality of the line out on the K3. VOX works fine, you don't need any more complex switching. The hand-wringing over Windows sounds when using an internal sound card is unwarranted in my opinion. Turn the things off and stop worrying about it. If you're a total klutz you can have Windows sounds on your external card too. Wes N7WS 242 countries worked on RTTY using the K3. On 12/18/2014 10:32 PM, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > I used to use a Rigblaster on my old Icom, I got the K3, and after > asking was told no need... I reluctantly connected everything, and it > works just fine with out an interface... No hum, everything works very > well... I have no wires coming out the front of the rig, nor to I have > to rewire for mode changes... I am totally happy with teh lack of an > interface... > > Do download everything K9YC has published and read it... From TimEdmonson at spfs.net Fri Dec 19 13:46:16 2014 From: TimEdmonson at spfs.net (Tim Edmonson) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:46:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] For sale -K2 station setup Message-ID: <38E68C0F-C4B3-4891-A078-A671F5A4F124@spfs.net> I am going to sell my K2 setup to purchase a new K3. I have a very nice K2 with internal 20 watt tuner and every option. Also the external 100 watt amp/tuner combo. Including: SSB NB Audio filters PC interphase 160 with receive antenna port Audio out mod ( professionally done) Lots more to remember off hand..... Also in the "twin box" is the 100 watt PA and antenna tuner. Great for portable with battery and built in tuner and great for home use with external tuner/amp combo. All cables an elecraft mic and all manuals included. $1300 plus half of professional packing/shipping/insurance. Thanks and 73 ka4wws Tim Edmonson Captain D's Area partner-Ky 270-978-1014 From wes at triconet.org Fri Dec 19 13:45:52 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:45:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <21DFC59C-8A9B-4C01-96D6-74BBAADC62DE@mchsi.com> References: <5494276D.3010202@embarqmail.com> <21DFC59C-8A9B-4C01-96D6-74BBAADC62DE@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <54947260.5050607@triconet.org> Playing Windows sounds :-) On 12/19/2014 8:59 AM, David Christ wrote: > Memory loss here. Remind me what the second audio channel is used for. > > David K0LUM > > > On Dec 19, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> A good quality external soundcard will do much better than the SignaLink (the Signalink noise floor is poor and is only a single audio channel). >> >> The K3 has galvanic isolation (transformers) built into the Line In and Line Out lines. >> Jim Brown K9YC has recommended a Tascam soundcard as a good and relatively inexpensive one. You might also want to read Jim's information on bonding equipment. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 19 13:54:22 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (pkhjr via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:54:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1419015262775-7596167.post@n2.nabble.com> I did this and tapping the 3 key does nothing. I tapped the 1 key and it toggles 500y & 500n ? Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KAT500-Synchronization-tp7596110p7596167.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 19 13:56:30 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:56:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100? In-Reply-To: <9EFAE9B1-2FC0-4F4D-A811-2D55FCB99D9B@gmail.com> References: <2693e.72ac1949.41c4d9aa@aol.com> <9EFAE9B1-2FC0-4F4D-A811-2D55FCB99D9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <549474DE.3090703@foothill.net> I run my K2 from a 4S1P LiFePO4 pack. I ultimately sold my KPA100 and KAT100, I use the K2 QRP-ish in field activities and it is indeed a hassle. A warning to anyone who does swap the tops: There are two 2-wire Molex connectors from the KAT2 to the K2 RF board. One feeds RF to the tuner, the other 12 VDC. The cable lengths from the KAT2 are such that either cable will reach to either socket on the RF board. The two connectors are identical. If they are exchanged, the shield on the coax feeding RF to the KAT2 ends up on the 12 VDC pin. This should only be done if you decide to re-purpose a power trace on the board to become a fuse. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/18/2014 7:21 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > Below are some pros/cons of the different options. > >can?t put the 20W QRP ATU > in the K2 enclosure (need to swap lids, which is a hassle), battery > option, etc. (actually, I would prefer to run the K2 off external > LiFePO4 batteries rather than put an SLA inside) From dick at elecraft.com Fri Dec 19 14:03:49 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:03:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Synchronization In-Reply-To: <1419015262775-7596167.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419015262775-7596167.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The 1 button is correct. I erred when I said the 3 button Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2014, at 10:54, pkhjr via Elecraft wrote: > > I did this and tapping the 3 key does nothing. I tapped the 1 key and it > toggles 500y & 500n ? > > Tex > ka5y > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KAT500-Synchronization-tp7596110p7596167.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From wes at triconet.org Fri Dec 19 15:14:27 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:14:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Auto antenna select In-Reply-To: References: <1418873261331-7596100.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54948723.90909@triconet.org> I'm guessing the the OP was thinking about "remote" as in out by the antenna. rather than at some other site. If I'm correct, I've pondered this too, but so far resisted because I don't know how to deal with faults, of which I've had too many. Wes N7WS On 12/19/2014 11:10 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > Yes, I use my KPA500/KAT500 pair remotely. The driver is a K3, so I don't > need RF-sensed band and antenna switching, but it should work fine with a > non-K3 driver. > > I rely mainly on antenna switching external to the KAT, but its three > antenna ports are adequate for many stations without the added complexity > of external switching. > > For remote control, I recommend KPA500 Remote and KAT500 Remote, available > on the Elecraft Web site. They provide functionally complete and > graphically attractive on-screen interfaces. Although they can be used > locally at the radio site, they also support a client-server mode in which > the server runs at the radio site and the client runs at the control site. > That requires a computer at both sites, of course. If you don't believe in > having a computer active at the radio site, you can also run them in local > mode at the control site only, using remote serial ports at the radio site. > > Your idea of pre-programming the KAT before operating remotely is a good > one. I recommend using MAN mode after that. Relying on AUTO mode makes me > nervous, especially when I'm not present to hear the relays clanking. > > GL & 73, > > /Rick N6XI > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Va3ied wrote: >> I recently purchased the kat500....and love it. Has anyone programmed their >> freq and antenna ports and then used it remotely? As I understand it, after >> sensing rf the unit will switch to the correct antenna and tune it? It >> does. >> To require any other connections? >> >> 73 >> Scott >> >> > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 19 16:48:03 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:48:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100? In-Reply-To: <549474DE.3090703@foothill.net> References: <2693e.72ac1949.41c4d9aa@aol.com> <9EFAE9B1-2FC0-4F4D-A811-2D55FCB99D9B@gmail.com> <549474DE.3090703@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54949D13.6050708@socal.rr.com> I painted one pair RED on each side; that's probably saved my K2 a couple of times :-) Phil W7OX On 12/19/14 10:56 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I run my K2 from a 4S1P LiFePO4 pack. I > ultimately sold my KPA100 and KAT100, I use the > K2 QRP-ish in field activities and it is indeed > a hassle. A warning to anyone who does swap the > tops: > > There are two 2-wire Molex connectors from the > KAT2 to the K2 RF board. One feeds RF to the > tuner, the other 12 VDC. The cable lengths from > the KAT2 are such that either cable will reach > to either socket on the RF board. The two > connectors are identical. If they are exchanged, > the shield on the coax feeding RF to the KAT2 > ends up on the 12 VDC pin. This should only be > done if you decide to re-purpose a power trace > on the board to become a fuse. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party > 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/18/2014 7:21 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > >> Below are some pros/cons of the different options. >> >> can?t put the 20W QRP ATU >> in the K2 enclosure (need to swap lids, which >> is a hassle), battery >> option, etc. (actually, I would prefer to run >> the K2 off external >> LiFePO4 batteries rather than put an SLA inside) From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Fri Dec 19 18:20:10 2014 From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu FT-991 with KPA500 Message-ID: <000c01d01be2$55e56440$01b02cc0$@carolina.rr.com> Is it possible for the Yaesu FT-991 to talk to the KPA500 (band selection data) through the Tun/Lin jack on the back of the FT-991 to the AUX jack on the KPA500? I want to know if it can be done through the cable as well as RF sensing. Thanks. Roy Morris W4WFB From Scottsheppard at videotron.ca Fri Dec 19 22:31:39 2014 From: Scottsheppard at videotron.ca (Va3ied) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:31:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem In-Reply-To: <52C1DAB1.2070407@traer.net> References: <006201cf04e7$c0483d70$40d8b850$@com> <001f01cf055b$c19d5470$44d7fd50$@com> <52C17C5A.3060104@nycap.rr.com> <52C181F1.3040408@traer.net> <00a101cf056e$2114dab0$633e9010$@wjschmidt.com> <52C1BB6F.80301@nycap.rr.com> <65417A42-0A16-4AFF-B3AE-171F00A8C277@gmail.com> <52C1D655.7060302@traer.net> <52C1D799.801@embarqmail.com> <52C1DAB1.2070407@traer.net> Message-ID: <1419046299867-7596173.post@n2.nabble.com> I just bought the tuner and am having the exact same issues on 80 m....what veh of firmware works best? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KPA500-KAT500-SWR-problem-tp7582232p7596173.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Dec 20 00:27:59 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:27:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem In-Reply-To: <1419046299867-7596173.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <006201cf04e7$c0483d70$40d8b850$@com> <001f01cf055b$c19d5470$44d7fd50$@com> <52C17C5A.3060104@nycap.rr.com> <52C181F1.3040408@traer.net> <00a101cf056e$2114dab0$633e9010$@wjschmidt.com> <52C1BB6F.80301@nycap.rr.com> <65417A42-0A16-4AFF-B3AE-171F00A8C277@gmail.com> <52C1D655.7060302@traer.net> <52C1D799.801@embarqmail.com> <52C1DAB1.2070407@traer.net> <1419046299867-7596173.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <15947E2F-CC8A-4665-9EE0-267FC3C4830A@me.com> From the discussion that you referred to, I would recommend the use of thick copper braid to bond the grounds of your equipment together in order to reduce grounding problems. This is far better than using a copper bar or a single point ground in a star pattern. Now just what problem are you trying to resolve? There were several discussed. - Jack B, W6FB > On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Va3ied wrote: > > I just bought the tuner and am having the exact same issues on 80 m....what > veh of firmware works best? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KPA500-KAT500-SWR-problem-tp7582232p7596173.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From wb7sde at evross.com Sat Dec 20 02:12:09 2014 From: wb7sde at evross.com (Eric Ross) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:12:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! Message-ID: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> I also use and like the SignaLink. Here is a preview of your weekend. Have fun with the build. https://www.flickr.com/photos/125220397 at N06/sets/72157644623374769/ Eric wb7sdeOn Dec 18, 2014 6:19 PM, Ken wrote: > > > > On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > > > From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for > > the digital modes?? Not sure about that.? Wonder what others are using for > > external interface for digital modes?? I had a SignalLink USB at one point > > and it worked quite well. > > Chris, > > One can, at least in theory, get by with feeding the audio directly between the K3 and the computer.? However, from what I?ve read, adjustment is very sensistive and it is more susceptible to hum , RF pickup, etc.? And you have to deal with how your computer handles the audio (mixers, audio enhancement, etc.)??? The SignaLink is a good, simple, reliable interface, well worth it IMO. > > Have fun and good luck with your construction. > > Ken WA8JXM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb7sde at evross.com From w4grj at satterfield.org Sat Dec 20 08:15:02 2014 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:15:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - How to turn off internal speaker In-Reply-To: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> References: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> Message-ID: <000401d01c56$f7a909c0$e6fb1d40$@org> Something changed in my K3 Config, use to have the internal spkr off for use with external noise cancelling speaker. This has to be the dumbest question ever asked, How to turn off internal spkr? Jack W4GRJ From k2mk at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 08:19:32 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:19:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] switching VFO A knob to B VFO In-Reply-To: <54946222.1020103@necg.de> References: <3C2C46EE-53EB-4AEF-A27A-D50D3F3A777C@ruby-wine.com> <54946222.1020103@necg.de> Message-ID: <1419081572974-7596177.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Todd, Of course Oliver is correct and I would like to add one comment. For the W1AW/n operations be sure to lock VFO B. You don't want your transmit frequency to change if you accidentally reach for and rotate the VFO B knob. 73, Mike K2MK Oliver Dr?se wrote > Hi Todd, > > simply switch SPLIT on and it will work exactly as you described. ;-) In > SPLIT mode VFO A is the RX frequency while VFO B is the TX frequency. > > Have fun with the pileups! > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > Am 19.12.2014 um 18:17 schrieb todd ruby: >> Is it possible when operating split to use the larger A VFO knob to >> control the B VFO and the smaller B knob to set the A VFO freq? I am >> asking this as I will be operating W1AW/3 and if I have to work split it >> would be easier to leave the xmit freq controlled by the smaller knob and >> tune the ?spread? with the large VFO A knob. > >> 73 >> todd >> WB2ZAB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/switching-VFO-A-knob-to-B-VFO-tp7596159p7596177.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aldermant at windstream.net Sat Dec 20 08:52:29 2014 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:52:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - How to turn off internal speaker In-Reply-To: <000401d01c56$f7a909c0$e6fb1d40$@org> References: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> <000401d01c56$f7a909c0$e6fb1d40$@org> Message-ID: <005001d01c5c$3221f6c0$9665e440$@windstream.net> K3's Owner's Manual, discussion on page 20 and CONFIG menu settings on page 59. Set SPKRS = 1 and just below, set SPKR+PH set to YES. Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w4grj Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:15 AM To: 'elecraft' Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - How to turn off internal speaker Something changed in my K3 Config, use to have the internal spkr off for use with external noise cancelling speaker. This has to be the dumbest question ever asked, How to turn off internal spkr? Jack W4GRJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 20 08:53:53 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:53:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - How to turn off internal speaker In-Reply-To: <000401d01c56$f7a909c0$e6fb1d40$@org> References: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> <000401d01c56$f7a909c0$e6fb1d40$@org> Message-ID: <54957F71.7090105@embarqmail.com> I am guessing that you are using the phone jack for the external connection - if so, turn off Speaker + Phones in the menu. If my guess is not correct, tell us about how you have the external speaker connected. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/20/2014 8:15 AM, w4grj wrote: > Something changed in my K3 Config, use to have the internal spkr off for use with external noise cancelling speaker. This has to be the dumbest question ever asked, How to turn off internal spkr? > Jack > W4GRJ > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 09:14:21 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:14:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - How to turn off internal speaker In-Reply-To: <54957F71.7090105@embarqmail.com> References: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> <000401d01c56$f7a909c0$e6fb1d40$@org> <54957F71.7090105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Additional caution .... DO NOT plug a mono plug into the speaker jack. A stereo plug must be used, even with a "mono" speaker. Two speakers are nice, and allow use of the several versions of audio phasing effects. 73 Ken - K0PP On Dec 20, 2014 6:54 AM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > I am guessing that you are using the phone jack for the external > connection - if so, turn off Speaker + Phones in the menu. > > If my guess is not correct, tell us about how you have the external > speaker connected. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/20/2014 8:15 AM, w4grj wrote: > >> Something changed in my K3 Config, use to have the internal spkr off for >> use with external noise cancelling speaker. This has to be the dumbest >> question ever asked, How to turn off internal spkr? >> Jack >> W4GRJ >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Dec 20 09:59:40 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:59:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Times are changing Message-ID: <54958EDC.1040002@nycap.rr.com> My friend Jim W4THU has retired and closed the Radio Works (home of the Carolina Windom). He plans to reopen again soon as a retirement business. More info at: http://www.radioworks.com/ Bill W2BLC K-Line (no vested interest in any ham radio business) From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 20 11:05:21 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:05:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem In-Reply-To: <1419046299867-7596173.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <006201cf04e7$c0483d70$40d8b850$@com> <001f01cf055b$c19d5470$44d7fd50$@com> <52C17C5A.3060104@nycap.rr.com> <52C181F1.3040408@traer.net> <00a101cf056e$2114dab0$633e9010$@wjschmidt.com> <52C1BB6F.80301@nycap.rr.com> <65417A42-0A16-4AFF-B3AE-171F00A8C277@gmail.com> <52C1D655.7060302@traer.net> <52C1D799.801@embarqmail.com> <52C1DAB1.2070407@traer.net> <1419046299867-7596173.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54959E41.4030005@embarqmail.com> I doubt your problems are because of the firmware, but the answer about the best version of firmware to use is to always load the latest production version. Beta versions can be useful if you are experiencing problems that the beta release corrects. Remember that beta versions are usually OK to use, but there are made available so a large number of users can report any problems they experience. If there are no problems reported, that beta version will be advanced to production status. OTOH, if there are problems reported, that beta version will be replaced by another beta with those problems addressed. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/19/2014 10:31 PM, Va3ied wrote: > I just bought the tuner and am having the exact same issues on 80 m....what > veh of firmware works best? > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 20 11:34:36 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:34:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Little brown truck arrived w/ my K3! In-Reply-To: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> References: <20141220071212.51D62680155@frontend2.nyi.internal> Message-ID: <5495A51C.2080700@socal.rr.com> The Signalink USB works well with my K3 as well using PSK31. Phil W7OX On 12/19/14 11:12 PM, Eric Ross wrote: > I also use and like the SignaLink. > > Here is a preview of your weekend. Have fun with the build. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/125220397 at N06/sets/72157644623374769/ > > Eric > wb7sdeOn Dec 18, 2014 6:19 PM, Ken wrote: >> >>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >>> >>> From some reading, I've heard that an external interface isn't required for >>> the digital modes? Not sure about that. Wonder what others are using for >>> external interface for digital modes? I had a SignalLink USB at one point >>> and it worked quite well. >> Chris, >> >> One can, at least in theory, get by with feeding the audio directly between the K3 and the computer. However, from what I?ve read, adjustment is very sensistive and it is more susceptible to hum , RF pickup, etc. And you have to deal with how your computer handles the audio (mixers, audio enhancement, etc.) The SignaLink is a good, simple, reliable interface, well worth it IMO. >> >> Have fun and good luck with your construction. >> >> Ken WA8JXM From repair at willcoele.com Sat Dec 20 12:22:21 2014 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:22:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF problem Message-ID: <1419096141969-7596184.post@n2.nabble.com> I just installed the K3EXREF option and followed the step-by-step instructions. I'm feeding it with a +10dbm level from my HP Z3801 disciplined, 10MHz reference. The K3 doesn't appear to be locked. The Installation and Operation manual says that "LOCKED will appear if you try to adjust the VFO A knob" but that doesn't happen. Checking the frequency with WWV by using another radio in AM mode and comparing it to the K3, I can hear a beat note. Jack WA9FVP Willco Electronics ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3EXREF-problem-tp7596184.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pirey4 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 13:05:15 2014 From: pirey4 at gmail.com (Phil Irey) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 Message-ID: When I use the PX3 to decode text, I see correct copy on the KX3 display but not all of the characters show up on the PX3. I would guess about 10%are lost. Any ideas for how to correct this would be appreciated. Thanks, phil (K4PMI) Sent from my iPhone From sasimpson at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 13:24:05 2014 From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:24:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i've seen the same issue scott sasimpson at gmail.com On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Phil Irey wrote: > When I use the PX3 to decode text, I see correct copy on the KX3 display > but not all of the characters show up on the PX3. I would guess about > 10%are lost. > > Any ideas for how to correct this would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > phil (K4PMI) > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sasimpson at gmail.com > From ctate at ewnetinc.com Sat Dec 20 14:13:24 2014 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:13:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo. What a wonderful little setup. As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control. This works great in alot of respects, Cat control.. no problem. Keying cw from the computer.. no problem. I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports. I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3. (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment). here is what my observations are: CW Skimmer. Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in. in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear. this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces. Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. PAN displays, NAP3, etc.: there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more. I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation, and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in.. I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable.. keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. Chris N6WM From ormandj at corenode.com Sat Dec 20 14:38:33 2014 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:38:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Likewise, I've seen the same behavior as well. David On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Scott Simpson wrote: > > i've seen the same issue > > scott > sasimpson at gmail.com > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Phil Irey wrote: > > > When I use the PX3 to decode text, I see correct copy on the KX3 display > > but not all of the characters show up on the PX3. I would guess about > > 10%are lost. > > > > Any ideas for how to correct this would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > phil (K4PMI) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to sasimpson at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Dec 20 14:51:43 2014 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:51:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying In-Reply-To: <5491B28E.1060707@g3tct.co.uk> References: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com>, <5491B28E.1060707@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <5495D34F.11474.14B487B@Gary.ka1j.com> Graham, I agree. And I also hear a "transient click" albeit it far better than before. Since you hear it as well, I have to ask you if you hear it on the right side, not the left, If you play a character slowly, do you hear it at the end of the character and if it goes away completely if you engage the sub Rx? This is what I have found with my K3. 73, Gary KA1J > Yes, it's a significant improvement. There's still some slight > transient click but much better. Well done Elecraft! > > Graham > > > > On 19:59, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not :) for a few years for this improvement. > > > > This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at: > > > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From avavra1 at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 15:02:09 2014 From: avavra1 at verizon.net (andrew vavra) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS Two E850463 15-pin KAT500 / KPA500 Cables Message-ID: <92650014.1031318.1419105729190.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100162.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello to all on the list. I have two genuine Elecraft 15 pin cables that are used to interconnect the K3 to the KPA 500 and the KAT 500. KAT500 to KPA500 Cable KAT500 to KPA500 cable. Provides band data to KAT500 for band change prior to TX,, and feeds through KPAK3AUX cable data from the K3 to the KPA500.? Typically used in addition to the KPAK3AUX cable from the K3 to route band data, keying and AUXBUS data through the KAT500 to the KPA500. (The KAT500 has AUX Cable IN and OUT connections.) This is the same 15 pin cable as is contained in the KPAP3AUX cable set? They are surplus to my needs and are functionally & cosmetically 100%. They sell on the Elecraft website for $24.95 each. I am offering them for half price -- $15 each or both for $25 + actual postage to your destination. Paypal or personal check OK. Please contact me off list if interested.? My call sign at arrl.net. -- Andy, KD3RF From k3ndm at comcast.net Sat Dec 20 15:42:47 2014 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <5495DF47.2040105@comcast.net> Chris. I have switched over to Win4K3. It's a total package with spectrum display, IP connection to HRD, works well with CWskimmer, and now there is spotting and a log program, albeit the logging function is still being worked on. It seems to run much more smoothly than NaP3 with LP Bridge. From reading your post I suggest that you get a Radio Shack ground loop isolator. It seemed to fix a number of things in my set up and they are inexpensive. One my overcome some, if not all, your issues. 73, Barry K3NDM On 12/20/2014 2:13 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. > > I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo. What a wonderful little setup. As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control. This works great in alot of respects, Cat control.. no problem. Keying cw from the computer.. no problem. I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. > > > I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports. I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3. (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment). here is what my observations are: > > CW Skimmer. Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in. in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear. this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces. Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. > > PAN displays, NAP3, etc.: there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more. I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation, and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. > > I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in.. I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable.. keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. > > IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. > > thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. > > Chris > N6WM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > From ctate at ewnetinc.com Sat Dec 20 15:43:42 2014 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:43:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD309AD2@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Oh I forgot to mention that it would also be great to hear from folks who have gotten this working correctly, and if so what were your settings and equipment. Thanks ~C./WM ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Chris Tate - N6WM [ctate at ewnetinc.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:13 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo. What a wonderful little setup. As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control. This works great in alot of respects, Cat control.. no problem. Keying cw from the computer.. no problem. I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports. I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3. (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment). here is what my observations are: CW Skimmer. Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in. in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear. this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces. Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. PAN displays, NAP3, etc.: there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more. I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation, and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in.. I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable.. keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. Chris N6WM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From jim at jtmiller.com Sat Dec 20 15:45:20 2014 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Detuning antenna per band and QSK Message-ID: I use and like QSK on my K3 but I'm now looking at detuning my 160 inverted L to avoid reradiation into my beverages when in receiving. I'm looking at what it will take to do that and it appears that if the 160 inv-L is just deselected by the remote DXE relay box it will just be an ungrounded 1/4 wave which shouldn't present problems on 160. I could implement a sequencer in the shack to do this by interrupting the relay select line that controls the 160 antenna on a per band basis but that leaves the question of what to do about QSK since the relay is specified to operate no sooner that 15mS. That will likely impact the clean CW and be undesireable. I can decode the band info and get the info about whether it is in TX or RX mode and probably inhibit the K3 until the delay has expired. But I'd need to kill QSK on 160 alone to do this. Is there a way to do QSK on a per band basis? 73 jim ab3cv From ctate at ewnetinc.com Sat Dec 20 15:52:39 2014 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:52:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <5495DF47.2040105@comcast.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>, <5495DF47.2040105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD309B10@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Thanks Barry.. I am not having rig control issues and thus dont need to use LP-bridge at this time. This seems specific to the IQ audio coming out of the IQ out of the KX3. I have experienced this on 2 KX3's and multiple sound card/computer combinations so I suspect an internal setting or something I have not found documented or missed. Since the PX3 is in existence.. there must be some setting/combo that fixes the spectral display as it is fed to a high end sound card. and again I did not have this issue with the N8LP pan or the IF out of my K3's. This is specific to the IQ out feature of the K X 3. If you read further you will find I did solve some of the computer RFI with a GLI.. in particular from radio shack. This seems to be required hardware at this point and needs to be put in line with the IQ out cable provided by elecraft. With it in line it is no longer a problem. Thanks for the tip on Win4k3 Ill give that one a shot. ~C./WM ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Barry LaZar [k3ndm at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:42 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms Chris. I have switched over to Win4K3. It's a total package with spectrum display, IP connection to HRD, works well with CWskimmer, and now there is spotting and a log program, albeit the logging function is still being worked on. It seems to run much more smoothly than NaP3 with LP Bridge. From reading your post I suggest that you get a Radio Shack ground loop isolator. It seemed to fix a number of things in my set up and they are inexpensive. One my overcome some, if not all, your issues. 73, Barry K3NDM On 12/20/2014 2:13 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. > > I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo. What a wonderful little setup. As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control. This works great in alot of respects, Cat control.. no problem. Keying cw from the computer.. no problem. I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. > > > I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports. I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3. (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment). here is what my observations are: > > CW Skimmer. Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in. in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear. this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces. Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. > > PAN displays, NAP3, etc.: there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more. I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation, and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. > > I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in.. I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable.. keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. > > IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. > > thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. > > Chris > N6WM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From fcady at ece.montana.edu Sat Dec 20 16:09:09 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:09:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AD0@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> What happens if you compare the PX3 copy with the KX3 Utility copy? > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > David Orman > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:39 PM > To: Scott Simpson > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Phil Irey > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are > displayed on the KX3 > > Likewise, I've seen the same behavior as well. > > David > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Scott Simpson > wrote: > > > > i've seen the same issue > > > > scott > > sasimpson at gmail.com > > > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Phil Irey wrote: > > > > > When I use the PX3 to decode text, I see correct copy on the KX3 > display > > > but not all of the characters show up on the PX3. I would guess > about > > > 10%are lost. > > > > > > Any ideas for how to correct this would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > phil (K4PMI) > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > sasimpson at gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > ormandj at corenode.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 16:10:33 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:10:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Dual KX3's Message-ID: Okay, I hate to ask this and it?s going to sound stupid, but I have looked and looked. Someone on this list sold all their *other* radio equipment and bought dual KX3?s. I think one of them was used. I think he is in Nevada, but I am not certain. I?m not trying to stalk the guy, I just would like to see if he has any pictures available online and whether or not he likes the setup. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Dec 20 16:13:55 2014 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:13:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Detuning antenna per band and QSK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92A9A542-D6BE-47C1-8CFC-2BB6D5DD1DCB@coastside.net> Another way to do what you want might be to switch some attenuation into the receive path during transmit. I assume you are using the RX antenna port for the beverages. The switching could be done with pin diodes with the timing tuned to allow QSK. Hope this helps. Brian, K0DTJ > On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:45, Jim Miller wrote: > > I use and like QSK on my K3 but I'm now looking at detuning my 160 inverted > L to avoid reradiation into my beverages when in receiving. > > I'm looking at what it will take to do that and it appears that if the 160 > inv-L is just deselected by the remote DXE relay box it will just be an > ungrounded 1/4 wave which shouldn't present problems on 160. > > I could implement a sequencer in the shack to do this by interrupting the > relay select line that controls the 160 antenna on a per band basis but > that leaves the question of what to do about QSK since the relay is > specified to operate no sooner that 15mS. That will likely impact the clean > CW and be undesireable. > > I can decode the band info and get the info about whether it is in TX or RX > mode and probably inhibit the K3 until the delay has expired. > > But I'd need to kill QSK on 160 alone to do this. > > Is there a way to do QSK on a per band basis? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to huntinhmb at coastside.net From pirey4 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 17:02:34 2014 From: pirey4 at gmail.com (Phil Irey) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:02:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AD0@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AD0@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: Fred, That is a good question. Until you asked it, I didn?t notice that if the KX3 Utility is *NOT* running, the PX3 copies fine. If the KX3 Utility is running both the KX3 Utility terminal and the PX3 have bad copy. The copied text in the KX3 Utility terminal and the PX3 don?t match either. I also noticed that if keep the KX3 Utility running and click off of the terminal tab (say the port tab), the copy between the KX3 and the PX3 match again. As soon as I click on the terminal tab in the KX3 Utility, the PX3 copy stops working again. My plan was to send text using the KX3 Utility terminal and copy text on the PX3. Should this work with the PX3? I?m running KX3 Utility version 1.14.4.11on OSX 10.10.1. The KX3 and PX3 have the latest production firmware. Thanks, phil > On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > What happens if you compare the PX3 copy with the KX3 Utility copy? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> David Orman >> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:39 PM >> To: Scott Simpson >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Phil Irey >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are >> displayed on the KX3 >> >> Likewise, I've seen the same behavior as well. >> >> David >> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Scott Simpson >> wrote: >>> >>> i've seen the same issue >>> >>> scott >>> sasimpson at gmail.com >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Phil Irey wrote: >>> >>>> When I use the PX3 to decode text, I see correct copy on the KX3 >> display >>>> but not all of the characters show up on the PX3. I would guess >> about >>>> 10%are lost. >>>> >>>> Any ideas for how to correct this would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> phil (K4PMI) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> sasimpson at gmail.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> ormandj at corenode.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From bob at hogbytes.com Sat Dec 20 17:21:43 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:21:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AD0@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <1419114103542-7596199.post@n2.nabble.com> It looks more like a interface bandwidth issue than a PX3 issue. Each connection to the KX3 ports must be serviced separately. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-decode-missing-characters-that-are-displayed-on-the-KX3-tp7596185p7596199.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ray at collins05.plus.com Sat Dec 20 17:29:48 2014 From: ray at collins05.plus.com (Ray Collins) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:29:48 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement Message-ID: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> Other K2 owners may be interested in this. After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using the Proset K2 Heil boom microphone and headset), I carried out the modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut off frequency of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. Now, when I listen to my transmitted signal on another receiver, the audio now sounds much crisper with increased high frequency content. I have also had many comments on the high quality of my audio and even someone reporting "BBC quality" audio. Well done G3RXQ! I also spent considerable time trying to optimise the Tx BFO frequency by listening to my transmission on another receiver. After many hours of careful BFO adjustment I finally ended up with the exact BFO frequency settings recommended in the KSB2 manual. Well done Elecraft! --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From wb4jfi at knology.net Sat Dec 20 17:33:16 2014 From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <272B8CC72E3040C19039A59D7593B1CB@tfoxserver3> I would check the splitter cable, or use another one. I have had numerous times when the audio cable was not up to snuff (in different ways), and the results are I/Q imbalance issues. I've even had Y adaptors from Radio Shack that were completely miswired. You would think that simple cables could be relied upon, but I've seen otherwise. Good luck. 73, Terry, WB4JFI -----Original Message----- From: Chris Tate - N6WM Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:13 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo. What a wonderful little setup. As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control. This works great in alot of respects, Cat control.. no problem. Keying cw from the computer.. no problem. I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports. I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3. (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment). here is what my observations are: CW Skimmer. Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in. in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear. this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces. Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. PAN displays, NAP3, etc.: there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more. I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation, and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in.. I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable.. keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. Chris N6WM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb4jfi at knology.net From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 17:47:08 2014 From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:47:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu FT-991 with KPA500 In-Reply-To: <000c01d01be2$55e56440$01b02cc0$@carolina.rr.com> References: <000c01d01be2$55e56440$01b02cc0$@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1419115628646-7596202.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Roy, Found a copy of the Owner's Manual for the Ft-991. The short answer to your question is, yes, there appears to be BCD Band Data Lines on the Ft-991's 8-pin Mini DIN connector labeled for Linear. Actually, the connector and pin out definitions appear to be exactly like the FT857/897 series of radios, too. I believe you'll need to make a MENU change in order for it to work, too. See Page 12 in the Owner's Manual for wiring for Basic mode operation with the KPA500. Yaesu seems to hint that there's a cable available for that connection method - most likely through their parts department. See page 21 for a definition of the Linear port. I suspect there's a pin-out diagram in the back of the manual that will match the Yaesu pin out table in the KPA500 Owner's Manual for the Band Data signals. Cheers, David/KG6IRW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Yaesu-FT-991-with-KPA500-tp7596172p7596202.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes at triconet.org Sat Dec 20 17:49:12 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:49:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Detuning antenna per band and QSK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5495FCE8.5030005@triconet.org> I have no idea how you are feeding the inverted-L but I suspect some kind of series feed. Nevertheless this seems like a job for some PIN diodes. Depending of the situation, switching in something that would shift resonant frequency or otherwise disturb the matching would do it (nearly instantly). (OT but I once saw a presentation by a Navy reservist who did a summer tour at NAA. One thing he mentioned (confirmed here: http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/cutler.htm) was the fact the antenna was tuned differently between mark and space of the MSK modulation) Wes N7WS On 12/20/2014 1:45 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I use and like QSK on my K3 but I'm now looking at detuning my 160 inverted > L to avoid reradiation into my beverages when in receiving. > > I'm looking at what it will take to do that and it appears that if the 160 > inv-L is just deselected by the remote DXE relay box it will just be an > ungrounded 1/4 wave which shouldn't present problems on 160. > > I could implement a sequencer in the shack to do this by interrupting the > relay select line that controls the 160 antenna on a per band basis but > that leaves the question of what to do about QSK since the relay is > specified to operate no sooner that 15mS. That will likely impact the clean > CW and be undesireable. > > I can decode the band info and get the info about whether it is in TX or RX > mode and probably inhibit the K3 until the delay has expired. > > But I'd need to kill QSK on 160 alone to do this. > > Is there a way to do QSK on a per band basis? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 20 17:56:56 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:56:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> Message-ID: <5495FEB8.9060006@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/20/2014 2:29 PM, Ray Collins wrote: > After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using the Proset K2 Heil boom microphone and headset), I carried out the modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut off frequency of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. I did something quite similar (maybe even those values) with my K2 back around 2004. I also increased the load impedance of the input and another stage to add a few dB of gain so that I would hit the limiter harder. 73, Jim K9YC From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Dec 20 17:58:09 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:58:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms Message-ID: <0NGW0036ZL4YJY30@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> Hi I have worked with someone who had a similar issue. In his case the iq signals were randomly swapping and that of course can ruin any balance that has been set. I have read recently of others on the kx3 yahoo group which report the same thing. Extensive troubleshooting was done. It was not the software package in use. It did this with all. In the case where I helped out the only thing that solved it was using a different computer. The problem never returned. We did determine though that high processor usage eliminated the problem. That's right,? go figure. It's a mystery. Tom On Dec 20, 2014 3:52 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > > Thanks Barry.. I am not having rig control issues and thus dont need to use LP-bridge at this time. > > This seems specific to the IQ audio coming out of the IQ out of the KX3.? I have experienced this on 2 KX3's and multiple sound card/computer combinations so I suspect an internal setting or something I have not found documented or missed.?? Since the PX3 is in existence.. there must be some setting/combo that fixes the spectral display as it is fed to a high end sound card. > > and again I did not have this issue with the N8LP pan or the IF out of my K3's.? This is specific to the IQ out feature of the K X 3. > > If you read further you will find I did solve some of the computer RFI with a GLI.. in particular from radio shack.? This seems to be required hardware at this point and needs to be put in line with the IQ out cable provided by elecraft.? With it in line it is no longer a problem.? > > Thanks for the tip on Win4k3 Ill give that one a shot. > > ~C./WM > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Barry LaZar [k3ndm at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:42 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms > > Chris. > ???? I have switched over to Win4K3. It's a total package with spectrum > display, IP connection to HRD, works well with CWskimmer, and now there > is spotting and a log program, albeit the logging function is still > being worked on. It seems to run much more smoothly than NaP3 with LP > Bridge. > > ???? From reading your post I suggest that you get a Radio Shack ground > loop isolator. It seemed to fix a number of things in my set up and they > are inexpensive. One my overcome some, if not all, your issues. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > On 12/20/2014 2:13 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > > Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. > > > > I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo.? What a wonderful little setup.? As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control.? This works great in alot of respects,? Cat control.. no problem.? Keying cw from the computer.. no problem.? I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. > > > > > > I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports.? I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3.? (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment).? here is what my observations are: > > > > CW Skimmer.? Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in.? in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear.? this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces.? Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. > > > > PAN displays, NAP3, etc.:? there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more.??? I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation,? and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. > > > > I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in..?? I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable..? keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. > > > > IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated.? I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. > > > > thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. > > > > Chris > > N6WM > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 20 18:02:01 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:02:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <5495DF47.2040105@comcast.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <5495DF47.2040105@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5495FFE9.3020906@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/20/2014 12:42 PM, Barry LaZar wrote: > From reading your post I suggest that you get a Radio Shack ground > loop isolator. A far better suggestion for both of you. Download and study this tutorial. Anyone who uses or suggests a "ground loop isolator" has some severe misunderstandings of the fundamentals of electrical circuits. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From avavra1 at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 18:03:43 2014 From: avavra1 at verizon.net (andrew vavra) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD -- E850463 15-pin KAT500 / KPA500 Cables Message-ID: <1274722272.1044518.1419116623679.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who responded. Tea cables are sold. -- Andy, KD3RF From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 20 18:12:28 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (David Fleming via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1462673645.1043940.1419117148511.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10098.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I suspect that the PX3 and KX3 Utility are both using the "TB;" command to poll the KX3 for incoming text. Since the KX3 clears the buffer after responding to a TB; command, this would cause bad copy on both the PX3 and KX3 Utility. Text displayed in the Utility would be missing on the PX3 and the text displayed on the PX3 would be missing in the Utility. This is just a guess. I may be dead wrong. David, W4SMT > On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > What happens if you compare the PX3 copy with the KX3 Utility copy? > From n1al at sonic.net Sat Dec 20 19:57:27 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:57:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> Perhaps the problem is due to noise on the computer ground. The PX3 has differential amplifiers at the I/Q inputs. For the computer-based panadapter, it might help to connect the grounds of the computer audio input connectors to the KX3 ground with a short, large-diameter wire. Another possible solution would be to use audio isolation transformers on the I and Q signals to isolate the grounds. That will cause a notch in the panadapter response. The notch width will be twice the transformers' low-frequency cutoff frequency. Alan N1AL On 12/20/2014 11:13 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > Greetings and happy holidays Elecraft enthusiasts. > > I have been putting together a portable contest/dx station using a KX3/KXPA100 combo. What a wonderful little setup. As part of my testing process, I have setup a laptop computer for rig control. This works great in alot of respects, Cat control.. no problem. Keying cw from the computer.. no problem. I have run into a tiny issue, regarding the IQ out and how it integrates with computer based spectral display applications and I am hoping the fine brain trust of audio experts can help me out. > > > I have a creative EM 0204, and I have split out the IQ stereo into 2 channels using a 1/8 stereo to mono a/b splitter, and subsequently feed IQ to the EM 0204 into the L/R mono ports. I am having some issues that I have not run into.. for instance when I used to do this using an N8LP pan with my K3. (I have done sufficient testing with other computers, sound cards to be aware this is not limited to just this equipment). here is what my observations are: > > CW Skimmer. Seems to work.. but the IQ balance seems to fall out of sync after being dialed in. in other words from time to time multiple traces of signals appear. this after adjusting with a fixed carrier on WWV to remove the traces. Its almost as if there is an IQ instability of some kind and I was curious what others have found. > > PAN displays, NAP3, etc.: there seems to be a rather large artifact that tracks with the center frequency making use of the pan display rather impractical...maybe 20-30 Kc's or more. I assume this issue is resolved to make the PX3 display an accurate spectral representation, and so am wondering if there must be a setting or something I have adjusted incorrectly. > > I also ran into an audio artifact where I could hear computer rfi through the headphones with the IQ cable plugged in.. I was able to mitigate this using a ground loop isolation cable.. keeping in mind I want to keep this setup portable and useable in remote locations. > > IF anyone who may have resolved some of these IQ out issues could chime in and assist it would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to make this setup as capable and portable as possible. > > thanks in advance and look forward to your responses. > > Chris > N6WM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From n1al at sonic.net Sat Dec 20 19:59:56 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:59:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 In-Reply-To: <1462673645.1043940.1419117148511.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10098.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1462673645.1043940.1419117148511.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10098.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54961B8C.7070303@sonic.net> That's correct. You can copy decoded text using KX3 Utility or on the PX3 screen, but not both at the same time. Alan N1AL On 12/20/2014 03:12 PM, David Fleming via Elecraft wrote: > I suspect that the PX3 and KX3 Utility are both using the "TB;" command to poll the KX3 for incoming text. Since the KX3 clears the buffer after responding to a TB; command, this would cause bad copy on both the PX3 and KX3 Utility. Text displayed in the Utility would be missing on the PX3 and the text displayed on the PX3 would be missing in the Utility. This is just a guess. I may be dead wrong. > David, W4SMT > >> On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: >> >> What happens if you compare the PX3 copy with the KX3 Utility copy? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 20 22:36:02 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:36:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> Message-ID: <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/20/2014 4:57 PM, Alan wrote: > Perhaps the problem is due to noise on the computer ground. The PX3 > has differential amplifiers at the I/Q inputs. Why? It's an unbalanced interface! > For the computer-based panadapter, it might help to connect the > grounds of the computer audio input connectors to the KX3 ground with > a short, large-diameter wire. PLEASE study my tutorial on Bonding, previously linked. What should be bonded are the CHASSIS of all the interconnected equipment. > > Another possible solution would be to use audio isolation transformers > on the I and Q signals to isolate the grounds. That will cause a > notch in the panadapter response. The notch width will be twice the > transformers' low-frequency cutoff frequency. This is smelling VERY much like Pin One Problems. The KX3 has Pin One Problems at the connectors not screwed down to the chassis. The only connectors screwed down to the chassis are mic connector and the BNC antenna connector. On the PX3, two of the I/O connectors are not screwed down to the chassis. THESE ARE PIN ONE PROBLEMS. The ONLY proper connection point for a cable shield the is shielding enclosure. When a cable shield is insulated from the shielding enclosure and goes through an enclosure penetration to the circuit board, that cable, and that equipment are UNSHIELDED, and the cable shield conducts shield current into the equipment. PLEASE study my material on The Pin One Problem. Many users would be spared a lot of grief if gear was built without Pin One Problems. k9yc.com/publish.htm And please excuse my frustration about this. Thanks to the late Neil Muncy, W3WJE, we discovered and fixed our Pin One Problems in the pro audio world back in 1994. Ham gear is full of Pin One Problems, and I've been trying to teach ham manufacturers about this issue for ten years. I first discussed this with Wayne in Dayton in 2004 or 2005. It's almost 2015, and Elecraft products are still being built with Pin One Problems. 73, Jim K9YC From jwiley at gci.net Sat Dec 20 22:48:40 2014 From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:48:40 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 plus options on eBay now In-Reply-To: <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54964318.1020006@gci.net> For anyone interested, I have listed my K2 on eBay. It has all options except for 60 meters, and several additional items such as a Palm Paddle, MC-43 hand microphone, Samsonite carry bag, Nifty operating guide, and much more. The "buy it now" price includes free shipping to all US states and territories. The item number is 221641058241 - Jim, KL7CC From pirey4 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 23:57:11 2014 From: pirey4 at gmail.com (Phil Irey) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:57:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 decode missing characters that are displayed on the KX3 Message-ID: <64C7DB43-EA60-499B-A8FC-18B63F266306@gmail.com> Thanks for the info about not running the PX3 decode at the same time as the KX3 Utility terminal. Since I?m using the KX3 Utility terminal for text entry, I?ll use it for decode as well and turn off the text decode on the PX3. phil (K4PMI) From phils at riousa.com Sun Dec 21 00:02:09 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:02:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: <8B91472F-208E-4719-A9C7-111D2A94CEC7@riousa.com> The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. Drop by 73, Phil, NS7P (NCS from OR) From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:09:11 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:09:11 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Detuning antenna per band and QSK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37E52D99-61F0-4B42-8605-49C6578D1285@gmail.com> I suggest using a vacuum relay at the antenna. I wouldn't want to switch a relay box even with a sequencer at a semi-QSK rate. Vic K2VCO /4X6GP > On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > I use and like QSK on my K3 but I'm now looking at detuning my 160 inverted > L to avoid reradiation into my beverages when in receiving. > > I'm looking at what it will take to do that and it appears that if the 160 > inv-L is just deselected by the remote DXE relay box it will just be an > ungrounded 1/4 wave which shouldn't present problems on 160. > > I could implement a sequencer in the shack to do this by interrupting the > relay select line that controls the 160 antenna on a per band basis but > that leaves the question of what to do about QSK since the relay is > specified to operate no sooner that 15mS. That will likely impact the clean > CW and be undesireable. > > I can decode the band info and get the info about whether it is in TX or RX > mode and probably inhibit the K3 until the delay has expired. > > But I'd need to kill QSK on 160 alone to do this. > > Is there a way to do QSK on a per band basis? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From elecraft at ozy.us Sun Dec 21 02:08:18 2014 From: elecraft at ozy.us (Chris Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 00:08:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3][2M] Assembly Advice - Going Nuts! Message-ID: <36E15816-E18B-4997-9591-F519A3E33F91@ozy.us> I am installing my third 2M module on a KX3 for a friend. On this particular unit, the nut that I guess was being held on by some adhesive I never noticed, fell off the back of the FET heat sink. I?m having a stickler of a time trying to figure out a clever way to hold the nut on there so I can re-insert the board and get the lock screw through the side of the case. (Figure 20, Page 27) Any wise men around have any sage advice? /ponder Chris K6OZY From n1al at sonic.net Sun Dec 21 02:13:30 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:13:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5496731A.2050303@sonic.net> > Why? It's an unbalanced interface! Yes, that's the problem. The power supply in the computer probably has bypass/filter capacitors between the line and the chassis. So with an unbalanced connection to the KX3, there will be 60 Hz (and harmonics) AC current flowing in the cable shields. Even a fraction of a millivolt voltage drop in the shield is enough to cause a visible 60 Hz spur on the panadapter display. The voltage drop can be reduced by connecting a short, low-resistance wire between the two chassis. I suggested making the connection on the computer end to the audio connector shells to make sure you're connecting to the ground reference of the sound card, which might be different from other points on the chassis. That may have been bad advice - I'm not an expert on the construction of a typical PC chassis. But I think isolation transformers would be an even better solution. That should completely eliminate hum caused by different voltages on the two chassis. The PX3 uses differential sensing on the I/Q inputs instead of isolation transformers. In effect, the PX3 ground reference is the KX3 chassis, rather than the PX3 chassis. That way, even if there is a 60 Hz voltage difference between the two chassis, it won't cause interference. > This is smelling VERY much like Pin One Problems. For those who aren't familiar with the term, the so-called "pin one" problem is when the ground pin on a connector is not connected directly to the chassis but rather via a wire, PC board, etc. I believe the name comes from audio XLR connectors, which use pin 1 as the ground. The pin one problem normally shows up at RF frequencies because of the inductance of the internal ground connection. But the issue under discussion is 60 Hz interference, so I doubt that that's the problem. Alan N1AL On 12/20/2014 07:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,12/20/2014 4:57 PM, Alan wrote: >> Perhaps the problem is due to noise on the computer ground. The PX3 >> has differential amplifiers at the I/Q inputs. > > Why? It's an unbalanced interface! > >> For the computer-based panadapter, it might help to connect the >> grounds of the computer audio input connectors to the KX3 ground with >> a short, large-diameter wire. > > PLEASE study my tutorial on Bonding, previously linked. What should > be bonded are the CHASSIS of all the interconnected equipment. > >> >> Another possible solution would be to use audio isolation >> transformers on the I and Q signals to isolate the grounds. That will >> cause a notch in the panadapter response. The notch width will be >> twice the transformers' low-frequency cutoff frequency. > > This is smelling VERY much like Pin One Problems. The KX3 has Pin One > Problems at the connectors not screwed down to the chassis. The only > connectors screwed down to the chassis are mic connector and the BNC > antenna connector. On the PX3, two of the I/O connectors are not > screwed down to the chassis. THESE ARE PIN ONE PROBLEMS. > > The ONLY proper connection point for a cable shield the is shielding > enclosure. When a cable shield is insulated from the shielding > enclosure and goes through an enclosure penetration to the circuit > board, that cable, and that equipment are UNSHIELDED, and the cable > shield conducts shield current into the equipment. > > PLEASE study my material on The Pin One Problem. Many users would be > spared a lot of grief if gear was built without Pin One Problems. > > k9yc.com/publish.htm > > And please excuse my frustration about this. Thanks to the late Neil > Muncy, W3WJE, we discovered and fixed our Pin One Problems in the pro > audio world back in 1994. Ham gear is full of Pin One Problems, and > I've been trying to teach ham manufacturers about this issue for ten > years. I first discussed this with Wayne in Dayton in 2004 or 2005. > It's almost 2015, and Elecraft products are still being built with Pin > One Problems. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 21 03:08:01 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 00:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <5496731A.2050303@sonic.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5496731A.2050303@sonic.net> Message-ID: <54967FE1.9070102@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/20/2014 11:13 PM, Alan wrote: > The pin one problem normally shows up at RF frequencies because of the > inductance of the internal ground connection. But the issue under > discussion is 60 Hz interference, so I doubt that that's the problem. Again, PLEASE study the tutorial. 73, Jim From stewart at twinwood.me Sun Dec 21 03:15:06 2014 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:15:06 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> Message-ID: <201412218156.397220@Shack> Very pleased the mods still work ! 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:29:48 -0000, Ray Collins wrote: > Other K2 owners may be interested in this. > > After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using the Proset K2 Heil boom microphone and headset), I carried out the modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut off frequency of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. > > Now, when I listen to my transmitted signal on another receiver, the audio now sounds much crisper with increased high frequency content. I have also had many comments on the high quality of my audio and even someone reporting "BBC quality" audio. Well done G3RXQ! > > I also spent considerable time trying to optimise the Tx BFO frequency by listening to my transmission on another receiver. After many hours of careful BFO adjustment I finally ended up with the exact BFO frequency settings recommended in the KSB2 manual. Well done Elecraft! > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Sun Dec 21 09:56:33 2014 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:56:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying In-Reply-To: <5495D34F.11474.14B487B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com>, <5491B28E.1060707@g3tct.co.uk> <5495D34F.11474.14B487B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <5496DFA1.2070501@g3tct.co.uk> Hi Gary I hear it as you do. The amplitude of the transient depends on the received noise level. This can be demonstrated with the rf gain control, but setting the gain control low and then increasing the received noise level with eg a preamp brings the transient back, so it's the actual noise level, not the rf gain setting. The transient we're hearing is also there on semi break in, it's not restricted to qsk. But it is a huge improvement. Graham On 19:59, Gary Smith wrote: > Graham, > > I agree. And I also hear a "transient click" albeit it far better than before. Since you hear it as well, I have to ask you if you hear it on the right side, not the left, yes > If you play a character slowly, > do you hear it at the end of the character > yes > and if it goes away completely if you > engage the sub Rx? > yes > This is what I have found with my K3. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > From bwruble at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 10:43:56 2014 From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:43:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp Message-ID: Hi Guys, I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red color. The reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something setup wrong. The audio is very low, and appears to have some background noise. My Heil headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a little better, but still low, on both elements. In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great reports. It has much more audio output. I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to a K3 located in Maryland. I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference. Thanks for any suggestions. 73 and Happy Holidays, Brian W3BW *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. From bill at wjschmidt.com Sun Dec 21 10:52:34 2014 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:52:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03b501d01d36$238802a0$6a9807e0$@wjschmidt.com> You should read this first: http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch Staunton, Illinois email: bill at wjschmidt.com -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian F. Wruble Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:44 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp Hi Guys, I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red color. The reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something setup wrong. The audio is very low, and appears to have some background noise. My Heil headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a little better, but still low, on both elements. In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great reports. It has much more audio output. I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to a K3 located in Maryland. I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference. Thanks for any suggestions. 73 and Happy Holidays, Brian W3BW *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Dec 21 13:42:51 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3][2M] Assembly Advice - Going Nuts! In-Reply-To: <36E15816-E18B-4997-9591-F519A3E33F91@ozy.us> References: <36E15816-E18B-4997-9591-F519A3E33F91@ozy.us> Message-ID: <23013E92-4028-471A-9FDA-8E87AB6877B3@elecraft.com> Chris, This is not supposed to happen (first case I've heard of), so you could just request a replacement 2-meter module. That said, you could probably re-glue the nut in place temporarily using a tiny bit of epoxy, avoiding the threads. Once the TO220 device tab is secured by the screw, the adhesive no longer serves any function. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 20, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: > I am installing my third 2M module on a KX3 for a friend. On this particular unit, the nut that I guess was being held on by some adhesive I never noticed, fell off the back of the FET heat sink. I?m having a stickler of a time trying to figure out a clever way to hold the nut on there so I can re-insert the board and get the lock screw through the side of the case. (Figure 20, Page 27) > > Any wise men around have any sage advice? > > /ponder > > Chris > K6OZY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Dec 21 13:52:39 2014 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:52:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <549716F7.4040705@coho.net> Good Day, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From tomg3olb at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 14:42:58 2014 From: tomg3olb at gmail.com (Tom Boucher) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:42:58 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Detuning Antenna Per Band and QSK Message-ID: <5DE7B03AD29E4EA3BF6507B19724D0FC@TomPC> Brian, I think Jim is more concerned about his beverages losing their directional properties due to re-radiation of received signals from his transmit antenna. I don?t think there is a simple way of doing this and it?s probably best to abandon QSK operation when using the beverages and use a relay, operated by the K3 PTT output, which open circuits the base of the inverted ?L?. 73, Tom G3OLB <> From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 21 14:43:03 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (pkhjr via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:43:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Begali Adventure Message-ID: <1419190983006-7596225.post@n2.nabble.com> Has anyone tried to modify the Adventure mounting bracket so that the front key plug could be used? It looks like you could dremel out the bracket and mount a female plug on a short wire. Tnx Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Begali-Adventure-tp7596225.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From WB3LGC at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 14:47:40 2014 From: WB3LGC at verizon.net (Steve) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:47:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> Message-ID: <549723DC.40307@verizon.net> I use a Heil HC4 (DX) mike element in an upgraded hand mike. I changed the mike gain with a resistor change as per mod. I get very good audio reports - the mike has the 2K boost and the low end cut... built in. I never did the SSB filter upgrade and still running stock serial number 0985 K2... 72, Steve On 20-Dec-14 5:29 PM, Ray Collins wrote: > Other K2 owners may be interested in this. > > After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using the Proset K2 Heil boom microphone and headset), I carried out the modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut off frequency of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. > > Now, when I listen to my transmitted signal on another receiver, the audio now sounds much crisper with increased high frequency content. I have also had many comments on the high quality of my audio and even someone reporting "BBC quality" audio. Well done G3RXQ! > > I also spent considerable time trying to optimise the Tx BFO frequency by listening to my transmission on another receiver. After many hours of careful BFO adjustment I finally ended up with the exact BFO frequency settings recommended in the KSB2 manual. Well done Elecraft! > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb3lgc at verizon.net > From WB3LGC at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 15:52:05 2014 From: WB3LGC at verizon.net (Steve) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:52:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3][2M] Assembly Advice - Going Nuts! In-Reply-To: <23013E92-4028-471A-9FDA-8E87AB6877B3@elecraft.com> References: <36E15816-E18B-4997-9591-F519A3E33F91@ozy.us> <23013E92-4028-471A-9FDA-8E87AB6877B3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <549732F5.80305@verizon.net> Hot melt glue might be more forgiving (glue on the threads) or double sided tape with a punched hole for the screw. When I built Heath Kits and "real work" I would use tape on my finger so that I could hold the nuts in place while I attached the screw... 73, steve WB3LGC On 21-Dec-14 1:42 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Chris, > > This is not supposed to happen (first case I've heard of), so you could just request a replacement 2-meter module. That said, you could probably re-glue the nut in place temporarily using a tiny bit of epoxy, avoiding the threads. Once the TO220 device tab is secured by the screw, the adhesive no longer serves any function. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On Dec 20, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Chris Johnson wrote: > >> I am installing my third 2M module on a KX3 for a friend. On this particular unit, the nut that I guess was being held on by some adhesive I never noticed, fell off the back of the FET heat sink. I?m having a stickler of a time trying to figure out a clever way to hold the nut on there so I can re-insert the board and get the lock screw through the side of the case. (Figure 20, Page 27) >> >> Any wise men around have any sage advice? >> >> /ponder >> >> Chris >> K6OZY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb3lgc at verizon.net > From Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com Sun Dec 21 16:37:23 2014 From: Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com (Jim Kutsch, KY2D) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:37:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect Message-ID: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> AS of a few days ago I started getting reports of poor transmit audio from my KX3. Today I had time for more extensive tests with several stations. According to these reports, the transmit audio sounds like I'm in an echo chamber or there is a reverb in the audio path. Lower power, lower mic gain, and 0 compression does not eliminate the effect. Any suggestions? Might I have accidentally turned something on in the menus to cause this condition? It's the same ElectroVoice RE15 mic I've been using for months. The only (intentional) recent changes were installing the recent betas. Thanks for any thoughts. 73, Jim, KY2D From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 16:48:26 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect In-Reply-To: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> References: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> Message-ID: <5497402A.4090207@embarqmail.com> Jim, A reverb sound suggests that you may have the monitor on. With a headset, that usually works fine, but with a desk mike, it will cause reverb. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/21/2014 4:37 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: > AS of a few days ago I started getting reports of poor transmit audio from > my KX3. Today I had time for more extensive tests with several stations. > According to these reports, the transmit audio sounds like I'm in an echo > chamber or there is a reverb in the audio path. Lower power, lower mic gain, > and 0 compression does not eliminate the effect. > > > > Any suggestions? Might I have accidentally turned something on in the menus > to cause this condition? It's the same ElectroVoice RE15 mic I've been using > for months. The only (intentional) recent changes were installing the recent > betas. > > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Dec 21 17:05:33 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:05:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect In-Reply-To: <5497402A.4090207@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> <5497402A.4090207@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Record a sample on the DVR and play it back to hear what is going on. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jim, > > A reverb sound suggests that you may have the monitor on. With a headset, that usually works fine, but with a desk mike, it will cause reverb. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/21/2014 4:37 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: >> AS of a few days ago I started getting reports of poor transmit audio from >> my KX3. Today I had time for more extensive tests with several stations. >> According to these reports, the transmit audio sounds like I'm in an echo >> chamber or there is a reverb in the audio path. Lower power, lower mic gain, >> and 0 compression does not eliminate the effect. >> >> >> Any suggestions? Might I have accidentally turned something on in the menus >> to cause this condition? It's the same ElectroVoice RE15 mic I've been using >> for months. The only (intentional) recent changes were installing the recent >> betas. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com Sun Dec 21 17:46:52 2014 From: Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com (Jim Kutsch, KY2D) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect In-Reply-To: References: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> <5497402A.4090207@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d01d70$041ac3f0$0c504bd0$@ky2d.com> Thanks. I already tried that and the DVR recordings sound absolutely fine. Two other things I didn't mention in the initial message: the echo still exists with the monitor off and I'm using a KXPA100. The echo is gone or at least much less obvious without the amp. I'm thinking RF is feedback into something somewhere but if that's what this is, it is causing a very strange effect. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 5:06 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect Record a sample on the DVR and play it back to hear what is going on. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jim, > > A reverb sound suggests that you may have the monitor on. With a headset, that usually works fine, but with a desk mike, it will cause reverb. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/21/2014 4:37 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: >> AS of a few days ago I started getting reports of poor transmit audio >> from my KX3. Today I had time for more extensive tests with several stations. >> According to these reports, the transmit audio sounds like I'm in an >> echo chamber or there is a reverb in the audio path. Lower power, >> lower mic gain, and 0 compression does not eliminate the effect. >> >> >> Any suggestions? Might I have accidentally turned something on in the >> menus to cause this condition? It's the same ElectroVoice RE15 mic >> I've been using for months. The only (intentional) recent changes >> were installing the recent betas. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 21 17:53:19 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bert via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:53:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY PROBLEM Message-ID: I tried to get on the OK DX RTTY contest this weekend using my K3. I used N1MM+ with MMTTY and configured MMTTY as usual. Hit the TX button in MMTTY, the K3 went into transmit mode with no output! I'm using FW version 5.01 on the K3. I eventually resolved the problem, but don't know the reason for it! What happened is this: in MMTTY Config, I set the Mark (and HAM Default) frequency at 2125 Hz, as I've always done. No r.f. output from the K3 with the PC (and interface) putting out the RTTY signal... The solution was to set the Mark (and HAM default) frequency to 915 Hz (170 Hz shift, of course!). That worked! I swear I NEVER touched the PITCH button, never mind that I had never changed the Mark frequency there...BUT, there it was, big as life, 915-170! Did this parameter change on its own from 2125 to 915, or did this change take place with FW updating? "Curioser and curiouser..." as Alice would say! 73, Bert, N4CW From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 21 18:04:15 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:04:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY PROBLEM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549751EF.90105@embarqmail.com> Bert, I suspect that you did not have the K3 mark frequency set to match that which was set in MMTTY. The PITCH button will allow you to change the K3 mark frequency to match that used in MMTTY. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/21/2014 5:53 PM, Bert via Elecraft wrote: > I tried to get on the OK DX RTTY contest this weekend using my K3. I used > N1MM+ with MMTTY and configured MMTTY as usual. Hit the TX button in MMTTY, > the K3 went into transmit mode with no output! > I'm using FW version 5.01 on the K3. > I eventually resolved the problem, but don't know the reason for it! What > happened is this: in MMTTY Config, I set the Mark (and HAM Default) > frequency at 2125 Hz, as I've always done. No r.f. output from the K3 with the PC > (and interface) putting out the RTTY signal... > The solution was to set the Mark (and HAM default) frequency to 915 Hz (170 > Hz shift, of course!). That worked! > I swear I NEVER touched the PITCH button, never mind that I had never > changed the Mark frequency there...BUT, there it was, big as life, 915-170! Did > this parameter change on its own from 2125 to 915, or did this change take > place with FW updating? > "Curioser and curiouser..." as Alice would say! > > From jkendra43 at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 19:49:23 2014 From: jkendra43 at gmail.com (John Kendra) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:49:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp In-Reply-To: <03b501d01d36$238802a0$6a9807e0$@wjschmidt.com> References: <03b501d01d36$238802a0$6a9807e0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: I also got one of the Pro 7s. Up until now I have been strictly CW and this is my first venture into voice. There are suggested DSP settings for Elecraft, but nothing else. I had to set my MAIN: MIC SEL to high to get an output; I don't know if that is correct or not. I am still playing with the other adjustments.. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II < bill at wjschmidt.com> wrote: > You should read this first: > > http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft > > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch > Staunton, Illinois > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Brian > F. Wruble > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:44 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setp > > Hi Guys, > > I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red color. The > reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something setup wrong. The > audio is very low, and appears to have some background noise. My Heil > headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a little better, but still low, on > both elements. > > In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great reports. It > has much more audio output. > > I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to a K3 > located in Maryland. > > I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > 73 and Happy Holidays, > > Brian W3BW > > *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jkendra43 at gmail.com > From jim at n7us.net Sun Dec 21 20:19:00 2014 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:19:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil HC-7 Dynamic Element with K3/0 Setup In-Reply-To: References: <03b501d01d36$238802a0$6a9807e0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: <002d01d01d85$450a8e80$cf1fab80$@net> The Heil page suggests LOW not HIGH. I have, and sometimes use, a PR781, which is one they mention along with the HC6, and I use LOW. My settings for the PR781 are intended to make it more like an HC4, which is what I use for DXing. I cut the lows more and emphasized the highs more than Heil's settings. Being a retired accountant, I keep Excel files of the mic settings (and menu/config settings, which are in the Elecraft_K3 yahoo Group files area). I can email my mic settings file if you want it but you can start with the Heil settings and experiment. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I also got one of the Pro 7s. Up until now I have been strictly CW and this is my first venture into voice. There are suggested DSP settings for Elecraft, but nothing else. I had to set my MAIN: MIC SEL to high to get an output; I don't know if that is correct or not. I am still playing with the other adjustments.. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II < bill at wjschmidt.com> wrote: > You should read this first: > > http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft > > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - > K9HZ-J68HZ-8P6HK-ZF2HZ-PJ4/K9HZ-VP5/K9HZ-PJ2/K9HZ > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi Guys, > > I have a brand new Heil Pro-7 Headset with mike, in a snazzy red > color. The reports on my audio are terrible, so I must have something > setup wrong. The audio is very low, and appears to have some > background noise. My Heil headset with an HC4/HC5 mike element is a > little better, but still low, on both elements. > > In contrast, my Elecraft MH-2 mike sounds great and gets great > reports. It has much more audio output. > > I am operating remote from Key West using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig to > a K3 located in Maryland. > > I have mike bias on, but on or off makes no difference. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > 73 and Happy Holidays, > > Brian W3BW From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Dec 21 20:41:24 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:41:24 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms Message-ID: <201412220141.sBM1fOZs077996@denali.acsalaska.net> When I first got my LP-Pan and read the manual (doesn't everyone do this?), I found it strange that the audio outputs had the ability to lift grounds (apparently to reduce noise/ground-loop issues). I guess I must be doing something right as I did not encounter any hum or noise issues with audio shields grounded. In the early years of building radio-computer I/F boxes (HB) it became quickly evident that isolation transformers solved a lot of these "grounding issues". I read your presentation, Jim, and gives me a laundry list of things to check. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 21 21:14:30 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:14:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <201412220141.sBM1fOZs077996@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412220141.sBM1fOZs077996@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54977E86.2050005@socal.rr.com> I've used my KX3 with the Tiny Python Panadapter I built per the April QST, using an iMic USB audio card on the I/Q outputs, and it worked fine -- within the limits of the design and the Raspberry Pi I used. Nowhere near as nice as the PX3 I'm using now when I operate the KX3:-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/21/14 5:41 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > When I first got my LP-Pan and read the manual > (doesn't everyone do this?), I found it strange > that the audio outputs had the ability to lift > grounds (apparently to reduce noise/ground-loop > issues). I guess I must be doing something > right as I did not encounter any hum or noise > issues with audio shields grounded. > > In the early years of building radio-computer > I/F boxes (HB) it became quickly evident that > isolation transformers solved a lot of these > "grounding issues". > > I read your presentation, Jim, and gives me a > laundry list of things to check. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com From wes at triconet.org Sun Dec 21 22:45:14 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:45:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Detuning Antenna Per Band and QSK In-Reply-To: <5DE7B03AD29E4EA3BF6507B19724D0FC@TomPC> References: <5DE7B03AD29E4EA3BF6507B19724D0FC@TomPC> Message-ID: <549793CA.6060806@triconet.org> Earlier I suggested PIN diodes for this purpose. Upon reflection (no pun intended) I realize the one would be hard put to find PINs that have the carrier lifetime to function at 1.8 MHz. I think that a vacuum relay might do it, but think that sequencing everything wouldn't be trivial. All of that said, another possibility would simply be a series diode switch with enough forward current to keep it on over the r-f cycle. During receive it might not even need reverse bias. (There's no transmitter power to deal with) You don't necessarily need high isolation, just enough loss to attenuate to lower the efficiency of the inverted L during reception on the beverage(s). Of course, it may be that none of this is necessary. The inverted L on receive is terminated by the 7/8" Heliax transmission line back to the KAT500 (I happen to know this is what is in use) and whatever load it sees on its input. This could be anything. Wes N7WS On 12/21/2014 12:42 PM, Tom Boucher wrote: > Brian, > I think Jim is more concerned about his beverages losing their directional properties due to re-radiation of received signals from his transmit antenna. I don?t think there is a simple way of doing this and it?s probably best to abandon QSK operation when using the beverages and use a relay, operated by the K3 PTT output, which open circuits the base of the inverted ?L?. > > 73, > Tom G3OLB > > < > Hope this helps. > > Brian, K0DTJ >> > From hamdan at ix.netcom.com Sun Dec 21 23:59:30 2014 From: hamdan at ix.netcom.com (Bernie KF0QS) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:59:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10 Message-ID: <1419224370923-7596239.post@n2.nabble.com> Today, there was a pileup on 9M6XRO (East Malaysia) on 10 meters. Using my K2 at 5 watts (my antenna was a Cushcraft A3S at about 24 ft in elevation) I got through the pileup on about my third call. What a surprise! It's the first time I've broken through a pileup on QRP. What fun!! Thanks for reading. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/9M6XRO-with-my-K2-10-tp7596239.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 22 02:31:14 2014 From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 01:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power Message-ID: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? Dick, n0ce From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 22 02:44:40 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:44:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/21/2014 11:31 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? Sure. I've done it for ten years. A fundamental requirement is a regulated supply set to a voltage that is matched to the battery's desired charging or float voltage. You want to keep the battery charged while not overcharging it. I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels doing it during the summer. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 22 03:04:15 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 00:04:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5497D07F.2030602@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/21/2014 11:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A > supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels > doing it during the summer. Clarification: For the 2-radio contesting system, I use two 6V 210AH Golf Cart Batteries in series. For a single radio setup, I used a single 12V battery of the biggest that Costco sells, about 80 AH. Solar is useless for me during the winter because I'm surrounded by VERY tall redwoods, whose shadows limit my sunlight at panels to a few hours per day during the winter and 6 hours during the summer. Those with more hospitable light exposure may be able to make greater use or szolar power. :) I run all the 12V gear from this system -- K3, P3, preamps for Beverages, switching for antennas, etc. 73, Jim K9YC From Walta at alliedtelecom.net Mon Dec 22 06:03:04 2014 From: Walta at alliedtelecom.net (Walter C. Ames) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3CED869B-02AB-4DD8-9912-59B0C4197B4D@alliedtelecom.net> > On Dec 22, 2014, at 2:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? > > Dick, n0ce In almost every case possible. Uninterrupted communications is a very important concept IMHO. A trick (or maybe not) that I have recently used to address the charging issue, is to use a ?Solar Charge Controller?, of the appropriate amperage rating, of course. These devices have a solar input (suitable for a Linear type power supply. Not quite sure how it would behave connected to a switcher), a Battery Interconnect, and Load out. Many devices include charging control circuits that you can match to your batteries fairly well, and a Low Voltage Disconnect (LVD) to keep your batteries from over discharging. I have this setup on my K3 and it works great. I have the K3?s Low Voltage warning set to .3v above LVD cut-out (on the charge controller). This lets me know when the batteries are close to the bottom. This is a great feature that helps you with not destroying your batteries. Walter K3WCA From nc3z.gary at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 07:53:42 2014 From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Transmit audio has (unwanted) echo effect In-Reply-To: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> References: <000001d01d66$4faa3990$eefeacb0$@ky2d.com> Message-ID: <54981456.9050704@gmail.com> Jim, I have also had these reports when I tried to use a dynamic mic such as a EV664A and Heil PR22, it gets pronounced at the mic gain and compressor is turned up. I don't think there is any setting you turned on. Because of this I have gone back to electret mics. Will be watching to see what sort of responses you may get back. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18 NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 www.mitchelson.org On 12/21/2014 4:37 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: > AS of a few days ago I started getting reports of poor transmit audio from > my KX3. Today I had time for more extensive tests with several stations. > According to these reports, the transmit audio sounds like I'm in an echo > chamber or there is a reverb in the audio path. Lower power, lower mic gain, > and 0 compression does not eliminate the effect. > > > > Any suggestions? Might I have accidentally turned something on in the menus > to cause this condition? It's the same ElectroVoice RE15 mic I've been using > for months. The only (intentional) recent changes were installing the recent > betas. > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > > > 73, Jim, KY2D > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nc3z.gary at gmail.com From ockmrzr at verizon.net Mon Dec 22 08:50:07 2014 From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:50:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10 In-Reply-To: <1419224370923-7596239.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419224370923-7596239.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <010801d01dee$32c61a50$98524ef0$@verizon.net> Very cool. Never ran QRP, but I have never run over 100 w; for antennas, I have never had anything but a vertical or wire antenna. It is a great feeling bust'n a pile-up when you're a "little pistol." Just got my K3 a couple of weeks ago after being QRT for about 4 years; the rig is an absolute joy! For an antenna I run an Inverted-L 120 ft long, up 30 ft at each end. Making up for lost time; busted S01WS pile-up yesterday and J28NC this morning. Two new ones for me. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bernie KF0QS Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 00:00 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10 Today, there was a pileup on 9M6XRO (East Malaysia) on 10 meters. Using my K2 at 5 watts (my antenna was a Cushcraft A3S at about 24 ft in elevation) I got through the pileup on about my third call. What a surprise! It's the first time I've broken through a pileup on QRP. What fun!! Thanks for reading. 73 de Bernie, KF0QS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/9M6XRO-with-my-K2-10-tp7596239.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ockmrzr at verizon.net From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 08:59:48 2014 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:59:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a used KX3 Message-ID: <0F696A47-0857-4851-91E3-5D9EB7A33625@gmail.com> Folks, I have a friend that is looking for a KX3 / KXAT3 (internal tuner) and will be dropping his Signal One CX7 off this week to me. I have several of the Signal One CX-7?s so it will be a fun project to evaluate his CX-7. If you are interested in this for a KX3 let me know off-line. Sincerely, Frank Krozel t: 1-630-924-1600 kg9kfrank at gmail.com From jalleninvest at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 09:13:19 2014 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10 In-Reply-To: <1419224370923-7596239.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419224370923-7596239.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55C5F174-7C20-42AF-B953-7FB28B0E4BAD@gmail.com> Congratulations! It is very exhilarating, isn't it? QRP DXing isn't always easy, or successful, of course. I've been running QRP mostly for the last year, with a rather modest dipole at ~32' for an antenna. Every once in awhile, you get through on one or two, or a few calls. Sometimes you get through but after waiting your turn. Sometimes the pile up is so fierce you never get through before you give up and take your business elsewhere, or he does. But, if the DX has a decent signal here, and the pile is not too large, you can usually get in there, with patience From what I recall of my C-line/L-4B/giant quad days, it was gratifying to get yourself "in the log" but you expected to, and very quickly too. This is different, a triumph of a different sort, maybe operating prowess is substituting for raw ERP or something, that puts a smile on your face, a song in your heart, and a spring in your step! The Old Timer often taught that the secret to working DX is "when you hear 'em, call 'em!" It's just that simple. 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:59 PM, Bernie KF0QS wrote: > > Today, there was a pileup on 9M6XRO (East Malaysia) on 10 meters. Using my > K2 at 5 watts (my antenna was a Cushcraft A3S at about 24 ft in elevation) I > got through the pileup on about my third call. What a surprise! > > It's the first time I've broken through a pileup on QRP. What fun!! > > Thanks for reading. > > 73 de Bernie, KF0QS > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/9M6XRO-with-my-K2-10-tp7596239.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jalleninvest at gmail.com From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 09:24:01 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:24:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem Message-ID: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014) Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night. When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting strange. The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window. I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby) However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands. The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window. The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on. The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency. and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf. I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration. I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable. To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency within the same band. Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each other. Any suggestions appreciated. -- God Bless, Sam Morgan From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 09:26:56 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:26:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54982A30.5000600@gmail.com> > I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable. make that: I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KPA500 Cable. On 12/22/2014 8:24 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: > My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the > KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014) > > > Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind > my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for > the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move > everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night. > > When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting > strange. > > The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window. > > I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power > settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby) > However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands. > > > The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window. > The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on. > The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a > band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency. > and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y > The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf. > > I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration. > I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable. > > To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a > KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer > pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency > within the same band. > > Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each > other. > > Any suggestions appreciated. > -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Dec 22 09:30:20 2014 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:30:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D2CB64A-1C09-4939-976B-2CE355360F46@me.com> Sam, I run the KX3 line: KX3 to a KXPA100 to an Ameritron ALS-600 to the KAT500. Little lines all over the place, and hi-power LMR-type coax out of the linear. Cardinal rule, I am told, is to avoid those high power RF coax cables as much as possible in proximity. For instance, never drape a control cable or a display cable across the coax. You?ve probably tried all of this, but my two cents. David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA > On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:24 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: > > My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014) > > > Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night. > > When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting strange. > > The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window. > > I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby) > However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands. > > > The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window. > The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on. > The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency. > and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y > The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf. > > I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration. > I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable. > > To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency within the same band. > > Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each other. > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > -- > God Bless, > Sam Morgan > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From jackbrindle at me.com Mon Dec 22 09:43:28 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:43:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <54982A30.5000600@gmail.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> <54982A30.5000600@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sam; It sounds like the Auxbus is no longer connected from the KPA to the KAT/ K3. Make sure the 15 pin connector is solidly connected on both sides at both the KPA and the KAT. Also, make sure no pins in that cable are bent. - JackB, W6FB Sent from my iPad > On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: > > > I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable. > make that: > > I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KPA500 Cable. > >> On 12/22/2014 8:24 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: >> My K3-KAT500-KPA500 has been working fine for 5 weeks now. (added the >> KPA500 Nov. 10, 2014) >> >> >> Last night I had to move some cables around with in the rats nest behind >> my K3. Unrelated cables, so I thought, they were for the VGA output for >> the P3 to add a data switch before the external monitor. After the move >> everything was still working just as it should. I shut down for the night. >> >> When I turned everything on this morning the K-Line has started acting >> strange. >> >> The K3 no longer flashes the KPA500 line across the VFO B window. >> >> I have CONFIG: PWR SET = Per Band, *BUT* the K3 no longer has 2 power >> settings (one for KPA500 in op and one for KPA500 in stby) >> However the KPA500 *does* change bands with the K3's change of Bands. >> >> >> The K3 does flash the KAT500 line in the VFO B window. >> The KAT500 does change antennas as related to the band it is on. >> The KAT500 no longer knows I have moved the K3's frequency within a >> band, so no longer (pretunes) to that new frequency. >> and Yes CONFIG: KAT3 shows KAT500y >> The KAT500 tunes fine when it is in AUTO and sees rf. >> >> I even went back to a previously saved K3 configuration. >> I unseated and reseated the KAT500 to KAT500 Cable. >> >> To summarize, I have lose the safety feature of the K3 knowing it has a >> KPA500 so it doesn't have 2 drive levels, and the KAT500 no longer >> pretunes to a new frequency when the K3 is moved to the new frequency >> within the same band. >> >> Yet it seems some parts of the K-Line are still communicating with each >> other. >> >> Any suggestions appreciated. > > -- > GB & 73 > K5OAI > Sam Morgan > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Dec 22 09:49:49 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:49:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: There are some cautions in floating a battery with a mains power supply. For example, the ProAudio Engineering PAE-Kx33 4A switching power supply I am using with my KX3 specifically says not to use the power supply for directly charging batteries, and voids the warranty if you do. I had a prototype battery charge controller I was designing let the magic smoke out when the input power dropped and the battery sent current backwards through the circuit. The tantalum cap was actually in flame. (A diode was part of the fix.) Like Jim, I use a solar charge controller to charge the batteries which run my K3 station. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/22/14 at 11:31 PM, rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) wrote: >Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? > >Dick, n0ce --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 10:16:15 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:16:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> <54982A30.5000600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <549835BF.8080304@gmail.com> That was my thought Jack. I just re re checked, no bent pins, and both ends firmly reseated. no joy :-( On 12/22/2014 8:43 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Sam; > > It sounds like the Auxbus is no longer connected from the KPA to the > KAT/ K3. Make sure the 15 pin connector is solidly connected on both > sides at both the KPA and the KAT. Also, make sure no pins in that > cable are bent. > > - JackB, W6FB > -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan From gdt at lexort.com Mon Dec 22 10:05:14 2014 From: gdt at lexort.com (Greg Troxel) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:05:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> (Jim Brown's message of "Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:44:40 -0800") References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim Brown writes: > I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A > supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels > doing it during the summer. What do you do about the voltage being 12.5ish instead of 13.8? Run the K3s at reduced power (because of the amps you are doing anyway)? Don't worry about extra IMD? Use a DC-DC converter to get 13.8V? From jackbrindle at me.com Mon Dec 22 11:01:09 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:01:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <549835BF.8080304@gmail.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> <54982A30.5000600@gmail.com> <549835BF.8080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DCC52A7-3D84-4073-9D2F-8BE258409A81@me.com> The KPA is still set for RADIO= K3, right? Shortly after power up, the KPA will send its on state to the K3 using the Auxbus, but only if it is told the radio is a K3. The symptom is that this is not being received by the K3. The logical conclusion is that something is blocking it. Nothing messed up on pin 2 of the AUX cable, right? I don't remember if the K3 must be told about the KPA (don't think so, but that would have been long ago...), but if so make sure of that setting. I'll research this a bit more when I get back to my info system, maybe an hour... 73, JackB, W6FB Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: > > That was my thought Jack. I just re re checked, no bent pins, and both ends firmly reseated. no joy :-( > >> On 12/22/2014 8:43 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> Sam; >> >> It sounds like the Auxbus is no longer connected from the KPA to the >> KAT/ K3. Make sure the 15 pin connector is solidly connected on both >> sides at both the KPA and the KAT. Also, make sure no pins in that >> cable are bent. >> >> - JackB, W6FB > > > > -- > GB & 73 > K5OAI > Sam Morgan > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From wu6x at hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 11:04:53 2014 From: wu6x at hotmail.com (Dennis Gregory) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:04:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Weighting Message-ID: After receiving a "459" report during a CW contact this week, it occurred to me that I had never actually "listened" to the transmitted CW signal from my KX3. Doing so, I discovered the CW weighting was set heavy by my ears (1.25), quite a bit different than what the CW sidetone represented, and possibly contributing to the readability report. I reset the weighting to "1.05" and the CW output now sounds exactly like the sidetone spacing. For those KX3 drivers out there, you may want to either listen to your transmitted signal, or simply trust my assessment and set menu CW WGHT to 1.05. Dennis - WU6X From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 22 11:10:17 2014 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:10:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: The SCC3 is in use here too. The basic 20 Amp unit can be scaled up to higher rated amperage by adding additional FETs. The instructions for this are included. 73, matt W6NIA On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:49:49 -0800, you wrote: >There are some cautions in floating a battery with a mains power >supply. For example, the ProAudio Engineering PAE-Kx33 4A >switching power supply I am using with my KX3 specifically says >not to use the power supply for directly charging batteries, and >voids the warranty if you do. > >I had a prototype battery charge controller I was designing let >the magic smoke out when the input power dropped and the battery >sent current backwards through the circuit. The tantalum cap was >actually in flame. (A diode was part of the fix.) > >Like Jim, I use a solar charge controller > to charge the batteries which run >my K3 station. > >73 Bill AE6JV > >On 12/22/14 at 11:31 PM, rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) wrote: > >>Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? >> >>Dick, n0ce > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn >up the >408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called >"brightness", but >www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 11:25:42 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:25:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <015f01d01dfc$fa9cab80$efd60280$@elecraft.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> <015f01d01dfc$fa9cab80$efd60280$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54984606.9000506@gmail.com> The only cables changed during my clean up were: I removed the VGA cable from the P3 (the one that went to the external monitor) I then took that end that had gone into the rear of the P3, and inserted it into a 4 way switchbox. I then added a new VGA cable from the switchbox to the rear of the P3 == at no time were any other cables unseated, removed, replaced, or otherwise messed with. (other than being lifted so the vga cable could be untangled from them if needed during the change over of the VGA P3 cable) On 12/22/2014 9:35 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > I'd try swapping the 15-pin cables between K3 and KAT500 and KAT500 to > KPA500 if there's any possibility you swapped them in your cleanup effort. > > If you could possibly have swapped in an SVGA cable, I'd do some ohmmeter > checking to see that all the cable pins are connected straight thru and not > connected to one another. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 22 11:31:34 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:31:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/22/2014 7:05 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Jim Brown writes: > >> I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A >> supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels >> doing it during the summer. > What do you do about the voltage being 12.5ish instead of 13.8? Run the > K3s at reduced power (because of the amps you are doing anyway)? Don't > worry about extra IMD? Use a DC-DC converter to get 13.8V? Most of my contesting is done either at legal limit, with the K3s driving an amp or at QRP. For NAQP, of course, i run 100W. Even at 100W and 12.5V the K3 is pretty clean, and at the 40-50W level it takes to drive my Ten Tec Titans, even cleaner. The measurements in the link below were taken with my usual power setup. k9yc.com/P3_SpectrumMeasurements.pdf Someone mentioned using a solar charge controller. I'm using a GV MPPT charge controller between my solar panels and the battery. It's RF quiet. Most charge controllers make RF noise. GV makes several models for different battery types, voltages, and current ratings. They are available here. The company also seems to be a good place to buy Li batteries. http://www.batteryspace.com/140w-10a-solar-charge-controller-with-mppt-for-lithium-batteries.aspx 73, Jim K9YC 73, Jim K9YC From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 11:45:17 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:45:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <5DCC52A7-3D84-4073-9D2F-8BE258409A81@me.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> <54982A30.5000600@gmail.com> <549835BF.8080304@gmail.com> <5DCC52A7-3D84-4073-9D2F-8BE258409A81@me.com> Message-ID: <54984A9D.5040900@gmail.com> Yes RADIO is still set for K3. Last night I had never even touched the cable that went between the KPA500 and the KAT500. Unless Murphy got in here while I was sleeping and broke a wire inside the cable that hadn't been touched... yea I know stranger things than that have happened b4, hi hi. On 12/22/2014 10:01 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > The KPA is still set for RADIO= K3, right? Shortly after power up, > the KPA will send its on state to the K3 using the Auxbus, but only > if it is told the radio is a K3. The symptom is that this is not > being received by the K3. The logical conclusion is that something is > blocking it. Nothing messed up on pin 2 of the AUX cable, right? > > I don't remember if the K3 must be told about the KPA (don't think > so, but that would have been long ago...), but if so make sure of > that setting. > > I'll research this a bit more when I get back to my info system, > maybe an hour... > > 73, JackB, W6FB -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan From scottsheppard at videotron.ca Mon Dec 22 11:47:34 2014 From: scottsheppard at videotron.ca (Scott Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Can't stop the emails hi hi Message-ID: <528716AB-3747-451A-8FFF-2BE75D6372D2@videotron.ca> Hello I have tried to unsubscribe....including removing membership to no avail...I meant to only get the digest. In any event, I can no longer log in but still get all the emails. Any help you might offer is appreciated. Thanks Scott va3ied Sent from my iPad From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Dec 22 11:55:19 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:55:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output In-Reply-To: Message-ID: According to the Manual the K3?s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps, which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory. I looked through the on-line manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery. Did Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3?s shipped after the mod came out in 2012? My K3 is S/N 7562. Tnx, Ted, KN1CBR From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 12:08:33 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:08:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500-KAT500-K3 problem In-Reply-To: <2BC8A739-A40A-4968-AE66-2E0A1284893E@me.com> References: <54982981.5000508@gmail.com> <015f01d01dfc$fa9cab80$efd60280$@elecraft.com> <54984606.9000506@gmail.com> <01a301d01e04$5aa83560$0ff8a020$@elecraft.com> <2BC8A739-A40A-4968-AE66-2E0A1284893E@me.com> Message-ID: <54985011.2040103@gmail.com> Connection to Pin 2 somewhere in the K3 to KAT500 cable is broken! thanks to *all* who pointed the way to troubleshooting the problem!!! On 12/22/2014 10:51 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > I just went back and read Sam's original post. Both KPA and KAT are > affected. This comes form the info that the KAT is not following the > K3 frequency, info that only goes through the AuxBus. The problem is > either the cable from the K3 to the KAT, or somehow the AuxBus has > been disabled in the K3. I don't think the latter is possible. We > know that the band lines on the AUX cable are working just fine since > both KAT and KPA follow the K3 band. both boxes get the band from the > BAND lines and not the AuxBus (note for Sam - the KPA does not listen > to the AuxBus, only talks. The KAT does both). > > So, check the cable from the K3 to the KAT. Pin 2 appears not to be > conveying data. You might want to pull it and ohm it out. Also note > that this must not be a VGA cable, but a straight-through connection > with no lines shorted together. But you already knew that... > > We will get you going shortly. Intermittent are number 1 on the > devil's list... > > 73, > > JackB, W6FB > -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 22 14:51:52 2014 From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers. I gleaned many good ideas from them. This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery here in the furnace room. Since I don't need to operate by battery power, I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive mode and properly shut down? I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel momentarily. I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to keep the K3 alive. I'd need to test it using an older style radio. I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this. Thanks in advance for comments, Dick, n0ce On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? > > Dick, n0ce > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:06:15 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:06:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <549879B7.1000201@embarqmail.com> Dick, Yes, hydrogen outgassing is a potential problem, and the area containing a normal lead-acid battery should not only be protected from sparks and ignition sources, but should also be vented to the outside. I would suggest that you look at a larger gel cell or an AGM battery. If you use a normal lead acid deep cycle battery, you could enclose it in a tight battery box (often used in RVs) which has a vent hose that you could route outside. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2014 2:51 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers. I gleaned > many good ideas from them. > > This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by > not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while > the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case > scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. > > I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery > here in the furnace room. Since I don't need to operate by battery > power, I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a > 9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive > mode and properly shut down? > I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel > momentarily. I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to > keep the K3 alive. I'd need to test it using an older style radio. > I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this. > > Thanks in advance for comments, > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? >> >> Dick, n0ce >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:16:55 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:16:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54987C37.1010705@embarqmail.com> Ted, Yes, K3s manufactured after the mod came out do have the 1 amp output rating starting with SN 6588. The Owner's Manual itself has not been updated, but Errata Rev D10-5 dated June 9, 2014 states the places where the manual should be manually updated. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2014 11:55 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > According to the Manual the K3?s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps, > which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a > PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory. I looked through the on-line > manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery. Did > Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3?s shipped after the mod came out in > 2012? My K3 is S/N 7562. > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 22 15:20:45 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/22/2014 11:51 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by > not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while > the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case > scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. You are overly concerned, but having battery backup is a good thing. Concerns about outgassing notwithstanding, I've never used anything more than the voltage regulator on the power supply to limit the charge, and I've always used ordinary deep cycle batteries. The key is to limit that voltage to what the battery expects, and to limit the charging current to what the battery will take as a "trickle" once it's reached full charge. Those are not difficult to do if you simply monitor battery voltage and charge current. 73, Jim K9YC From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:25:11 2014 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:25:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Another problem is that outgasing gases are corrosive and can damage electronics especially contacts, relays, connectors, pots and the like. Nick N1KMP From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:40:06 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:40:06 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549881A6.6080805@gmail.com> Even if you had an older K3, it's very minor surgery. It's been some time since I modified my K3 (serial no. 00007) but I think it involved the replacement of two components. On 22 Dec 2014 18:55, Dauer, Edward wrote: > According to the Manual the K3?s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps, > which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a > PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory. I looked through the on-line > manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery. Did > Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3?s shipped after the mod came out in > 2012? My K3 is S/N 7562. > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From k1xx at k1xx.com Mon Dec 22 16:24:31 2014 From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:24:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54988C0F.2030401@k1xx.com> Dick: Unless you are looking for something to do, I also suggest you are over concerned. During the recent CQWW CW on the island of St. Croix, we had 3 K3s all driving amps. We probably had 3 or 4 outages without incident. Similarly, as a single op on the island of Montserrat during the last ARRL SSB, I had a K3 barefoot. Again, something like 3 or 4 power outages during the contest. No problems. Once that 12 volts into the K3 reaches its lower limit, the radio's off. "Shutting down properly during a power interruption" might be a different, and more difficult requirement, than just batter backup. 73 charlie, k1xx On 12/22/2014 2:51 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers. I gleaned > many good ideas from them. > > This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by > not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while > the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case > scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. > > I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery > here in the furnace room. Since I don't need to operate by battery > power, I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a > 9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive > mode and properly shut down? > I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel > momentarily. I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to > keep the K3 alive. I'd need to test it using an older style radio. > I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this. > > Thanks in advance for comments, > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? >> >> Dick, n0ce >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1xx at k1xx.com > From fcady at ece.montana.edu Mon Dec 22 16:24:09 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KXPA100 tuner problems Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AFD@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Hi all, I keep reading about the problems people are having with their KAT500 and KXPA100 tuners going into a tuning cycle when there seems to be nothing wrong with their antennas. I've had my tuners operating here for a long while and don't have those problems. Mind you, I don't do much SSB, although I did get a bunch done last week in the W1AW/7 Montana operation. Thanks to all of you who gave us a call. There have been a couple of comments from others who have suggested that there may be RF getting back into the system or into control cables. I think these have some merit and so if you are having these troubles that might be an avenue of investigation. In the course of putting together the K-Line book and working on a second edition of the KX3 book to include the KXPA/KXAT100 amplifier, I've been able to put together some thoughts on how these tuners work. You can find an extraction of these details at http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners. Cheers and happy holidays, Fred KE7X "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com PDF copies available from KE7X KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners From wa4ta at hotmail.com Mon Dec 22 16:29:06 2014 From: wa4ta at hotmail.com (tom armour) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:29:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com>, <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I use one of these power supplies with a battery backup module installed (Model: SEC-1223BBM). I have a deep cycle battery attached to it.http://www.samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=516The hot-switches to battery is very nice when power fails. Also if you happen to draw more than 25A it uses the battery for the difference from up to 35A. It charges the battery at 5A with normal power.Tom - wa4ta > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:51:52 -0600 > From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power > > Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers. I gleaned many > good ideas from them. > > This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by > not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while the > K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case > scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. > > I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery > here in the furnace room. Since I don't need to operate by battery > power, I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 9 > amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive > mode and properly shut down? > I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel > momentarily. I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to keep > the K3 alive. I'd need to test it using an older style radio. I'm > hoping someone has had experience related to this. > > Thanks in advance for comments, > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? > > > > Dick, n0ce > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa4ta at hotmail.com From k1uo at tds.net Mon Dec 22 16:32:12 2014 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:32:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 or Mini WANTED: Message-ID: <7B4922105DFD4C59BE05D79BC0DF02AB@DenComputer> If you replaced your K3/0 with a K3/0 mini, or are not using your K3/0, I may be interested in purchasing it. Actually interested in the K3 mini if you have one and are not using it. I am looking for the K3 control RRC and cables as well. Regards From k1uo at tds.net Mon Dec 22 16:41:58 2014 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:41:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? Message-ID: <1F38480AB3B64C8AA016323778A71411@DenComputer> What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 ? Twins on the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII?s and the Remote Rig units for remoting the K3?s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature? From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 16:42:51 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:42:51 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 and KXPA100 tuner problems In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AFD@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0436585AFD@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: Same here.....and i have only used the supplied reference material, use SSB 90% of the time, non resonant antennas as well as a tribander. I "teach" the kat500 when i first set up the run in "manual" mode. The one time i had sudden "tune" issued the culprit was one leg of the ladder line broke at the antenna. Nuff said from me i guess Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 23/12/2014 7:24 AM, "Cady, Fred" wrote: > Hi all, > I keep reading about the problems people are having with their KAT500 and > KXPA100 tuners going into a tuning cycle when there seems to be nothing > wrong with their antennas. I've had my tuners operating here for a long > while and don't have those problems. Mind you, I don't do much SSB, > although I did get a bunch done last week in the W1AW/7 Montana operation. > Thanks to all of you who gave us a call. > > There have been a couple of comments from others who have suggested that > there may be RF getting back into the system or into control cables. I > think these have some merit and so if you are having these troubles that > might be an avenue of investigation. > > In the course of putting together the K-Line book and working on a second > edition of the KX3 book to include the KXPA/KXAT100 amplifier, I've been > able to put together some thoughts on how these tuners work. You can find > an extraction of these details at > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners. > > Cheers and happy holidays, > Fred KE7X > > > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com< > http://www.elecraft.com> > > PDF copies available from KE7X > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:35:16 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:35:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output In-Reply-To: <549881A6.6080805@gmail.com> References: <549881A6.6080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54989CA4.5060502@embarqmail.com> Actually, the hardest part of installing that change is removing the KPA3. Once that is accomplished, the rest of the mod is easy - as Vic said, it is a matter of changing two components. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2014 3:40 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > Even if you had an older K3, it's very minor surgery. It's been some > time since I modified my K3 (serial no. 00007) but I think it involved > the replacement of two components. > > On 22 Dec 2014 18:55, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> According to the Manual the K3?s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 >> amps, >> which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a >> PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory. I looked through the on-line >> manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery. Did >> Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3?s shipped after the mod came out in >> 2012? My K3 is S/N 7562. >> From fptownsend at earthlink.net Mon Dec 22 17:37:09 2014 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <549879B7.1000201@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <549879B7.1000201@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000901d01e37$d322eb60$7968c220$@earthlink.net> Dick: A few more notes. Outgassing is not a normal occurrence of lead acid batteries. It occurs when there is substantial overcharge. That is why you always use a regulator so outgassing doesn't occur. Second SLA stands for sealed lead acid. These batteries are partially sealed to prevent outgassing. They do have blowout plugs to prevent explosions. Finally there are battery monitors available at reasonable cost. They will sound an alarm if your battery voltage is too high or too low thereby giving warning that something is not right. I also attach a 12vdc LED light strip to my power alarm. That way when the house lights go out I can still see the controls to shut things down if need be. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 12:06 PM To: Richard Fjeld; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power Dick, Yes, hydrogen outgassing is a potential problem, and the area containing a normal lead-acid battery should not only be protected from sparks and ignition sources, but should also be vented to the outside. I would suggest that you look at a larger gel cell or an AGM battery. If you use a normal lead acid deep cycle battery, you could enclose it in a tight battery box (often used in RVs) which has a vent hose that you could route outside. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2014 2:51 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers. I gleaned > many good ideas from them. > > This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by > not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while > the K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case > scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. > > I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery > here in the furnace room. Since I don't need to operate by battery > power, I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a > 9 amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive > mode and properly shut down? > I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel > momentarily. I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to > keep the K3 alive. I'd need to test it using an older style radio. > I'm hoping someone has had experience related to this. > > Thanks in advance for comments, > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? >> >> Dick, n0ce >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w3fpr at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8787 - Release Date: 12/22/14 From dmoes at nexicom.net Mon Dec 22 17:50:42 2014 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> I'm just curios is there any real test data available showing what IMD may be present at various supply voltages? I have heard many comments on the reflector over the years saying to keep the voltage high one member saying to keep it at 15V. The specs say 13.8 V nominal during TX. (11 V min, 15 V max) I would think that the transmit signal should be fairly clean within this range. At home its on a regulated supply 13.8 so NP but at the cottage where there is no utility power its on a battery with 6 and 10ga wiring all using solar charge. At night I will see voltages drop to about 12V after operating with lighting from the same battery for a while usually about 1:00 am in a contest. this is when I go off the air and to bed, as this is typically about when the battery reaches a 40-50% charge and I don't like to go below this. is operating approaching 12 volts (transmit) really an issue? David Moes President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club. dmoes at nexicom.net VE3DVY, VE3SD On 12/22/2014 11:31, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/22/2014 7:05 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: >> Jim Brown writes: >> >>> I run a contesting station with two K3s driving power amps with a 10A >>> supply keeping the battery charged during the winter, and solar panels >>> doing it during the summer. >> What do you do about the voltage being 12.5ish instead of 13.8? Run the >> K3s at reduced power (because of the amps you are doing anyway)? Don't >> worry about extra IMD? Use a DC-DC converter to get 13.8V? > > Most of my contesting is done either at legal limit, with the K3s > driving an amp or at QRP. For NAQP, of course, i run 100W. Even at > 100W and 12.5V the K3 is pretty clean, and at the 40-50W level it > takes to drive my Ten Tec Titans, even cleaner. The measurements in > the link below were taken with my usual power setup. > > k9yc.com/P3_SpectrumMeasurements.pdf > > Someone mentioned using a solar charge controller. I'm using a GV MPPT > charge controller between my solar panels and the battery. It's RF > quiet. Most charge controllers make RF noise. GV makes several models > for different battery types, voltages, and current ratings. They are > available here. The company also seems to be a good place to buy Li > batteries. > > http://www.batteryspace.com/140w-10a-solar-charge-controller-with-mppt-for-lithium-batteries.aspx > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:57:10 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:57:10 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: AGM batteries can be air freighted...nuff said on safety. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 23/12/2014 7:29 AM, "tom armour" wrote: > I use one of these power supplies with a battery backup module installed > (Model: SEC-1223BBM). I have a deep cycle battery attached to it. > http://www.samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=516The > hot-switches to battery is very nice when power fails. Also if you happen > to draw more than 25A it uses the battery for the difference from up to > 35A. It charges the battery at 5A with normal power.Tom - wa4ta > > > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:51:52 -0600 > > From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power > > > > Wow, thanks to all for the greatly informative answers. I gleaned many > > good ideas from them. > > > > This is my concern; I am interested in protecting my K3 from damage by > > not being shut down properly should a power interruption occur while the > > K3 is operating. For this design, I'm thinking about a worst case > > scenario; in transmit mode at 100 watts/20 amps, plus accessories on. > > > > I am concerned about Hydrogen gas while charging a lead-acid battery > > here in the furnace room. Since I don't need to operate by battery > > power, I'd like to know your thoughts about if a Gel-Cel battery of a 9 > > amp variety would handle the 20 amp load until I could go to receive > > mode and properly shut down? > > I haven't had any experience drawing that much amperage from a gel-cel > > momentarily. I don't know if the load voltage would be adequate to keep > > the K3 alive. I'd need to test it using an older style radio. I'm > > hoping someone has had experience related to this. > > > > Thanks in advance for comments, > > > > Dick, n0ce > > > > > > On 12/22/2014 1:31 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > > Is anyone floating a battery across their power distribution? > > > > > > Dick, n0ce > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wa4ta at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From dj0qn at gmx.net Mon Dec 22 18:37:47 2014 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?TWl0Y2ggV29sZnNvbiBESsOYUU4=?=) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:37:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? In-Reply-To: <1F38480AB3B64C8AA016323778A71411@DenComputer> References: <1F38480AB3B64C8AA016323778A71411@DenComputer> Message-ID: <5498AB4B.20700@gmx.net> The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the 1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the 1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off. All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote: > What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 ? Twins on the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII?s and the Remote Rig units for remoting the K3?s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 22 19:00:42 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:00:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <5498B0AA.4080606@embarqmail.com> David, I think the answer to your question is a matter of degree. I do not have any specific test data on the IMD increase as the DC voltage is reduced, but it is a fact that the IMD with 'nominal 12 volt' transceivers will worsen as the voltage drops. The fact that the K3 IMD is better than most other transceivers also says that the IMD as the voltage goes down is better on the K3 than others. If you are concerned about it, I suggest you reduce the power to something like 75 or 80 watts when your power source voltage decreases. The difference between that power and 100 watts is likely not to be noticed by the receiving stations. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2014 5:50 PM, david Moes wrote: > I'm just curios is there any real test data available showing what > IMD may be present at various supply voltages? I have heard many > comments on the reflector over the years saying to keep the voltage > high one member saying to keep it at 15V. The specs say 13.8 V > nominal during TX. (11 V min, 15 V max) I would think that the > transmit signal should be fairly clean within this range. > > At home its on a regulated supply 13.8 so NP but at the cottage > where there is no utility power its on a battery with 6 and 10ga > wiring all using solar charge. At night I will see voltages drop to > about 12V after operating with lighting from the same battery for a > while usually about 1:00 am in a contest. this is when I go off the > air and to bed, as this is typically about when the battery reaches a > 40-50% charge and I don't like to go below this. is operating > approaching 12 volts (transmit) really an issue? > From DG5WJ at gmx.de Mon Dec 22 19:12:29 2014 From: DG5WJ at gmx.de (Benjamin Schmid) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 01:12:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Alignment and Test, Part I - Error 27 persists Message-ID: From k1uo at tds.net Mon Dec 22 19:23:47 2014 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? In-Reply-To: <5498AB4B.20700@gmx.net> References: <1F38480AB3B64C8AA016323778A71411@DenComputer> <5498AB4B.20700@gmx.net> Message-ID: <077373250B1B433EB2C61E0939DC7F38@DenComputer> Thanks Mitch.. I went to the website you provided but I don?t find the RRC 1256 units shown anywhere. The webswitches are called 1216 units. The 1256,s listed in Elecraft manuals appear to look like 1258 units.. Maybe the 1258's are just newer units with newer features? regards Larry K1UO -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:37 PM To: Larry - K1UO ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the 1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the 1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off. All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote: > What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 ? Twins on > the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII?s and the Remote Rig units for remoting the > K3?s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net From jrmcbee at cox.net Mon Dec 22 19:54:52 2014 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:54:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plub Message-ID: <5498BD5C.2060107@cox.net> I have been having a problem for some time with the headphone jack on my K3, no sound coming out of speaker on K3. It's starting to happen more and more frequently. The problem is, some times when I turn on my K3, I can't hear any audio coming out of the K3 speaker unless I plug in my headphones and unplug them. Hear lately it will work for a little bit then quit and I'll have to plug a phone plug back in and remove it again for the audio to return to the k3 speaker. Sometimes just leaving the headphone connector in a little will make the audio come back to speaker. Could this be a bad phone plug on the K3? Im running MCU firmware v 4.86. Thanks for any advice John From jkendra43 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 21:12:11 2014 From: jkendra43 at gmail.com (John Kendra) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:12:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plub In-Reply-To: <5498BD5C.2060107@cox.net> References: <5498BD5C.2060107@cox.net> Message-ID: <14F603CE-2702-4C51-97BC-133EF06B6274@gmail.com> I have had trouble with my K3 front phone plug since it was about two months old. Usually I have to jiggle my headset plug to get audio in my headset. The jack seems to be at a place hard to get to. John N4LJS > On Dec 22, 2014, at 19:54, John McBee wrote: > > I have been having a problem for some time with the headphone jack on my K3, no sound coming out of speaker on K3. It's starting to happen more and more frequently. The problem is, some times when I turn on my K3, I can't hear any audio coming out of the K3 speaker unless I plug in my headphones and unplug them. Hear lately it will work for a little bit then quit and I'll have to plug a phone plug back in and remove it again for the audio to return to the k3 speaker. Sometimes just leaving the headphone connector in a little will make the audio come back to speaker. Could this be a bad phone plug on the K3? Im running MCU firmware v 4.86. > > Thanks for any advice > > John > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jkendra43 at gmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Mon Dec 22 21:18:44 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:18:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Weighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dennis - Thanks for the post. I?ve had a K3 for about five years and have really liked the feel/sound of it?s keying. Got a KX3 about a year ago and immediately noticed that is just didn?t sound the same as big brother. Not bad, but just not the same. I pretty much ignored it, as it wan?t really troubling me. But when I saw your post, I thought I?d see if that makes a difference for me. One word: WOW! I dropped my setting down to 1.05 as you suggested and now, on my KX3, it is perfect - for me, anyway. And the spacing/weight seems (to me) to be exactly like what big brother produces. Thanks! Jim / W6JHB > On Monday, Dec 22, 2014, at Monday, 8:04 AM, Dennis Gregory wrote: > > After receiving a "459" report during a CW contact this week, it occurred to me that I had never actually "listened" to the transmitted CW signal from my KX3. Doing so, I discovered the CW weighting was set heavy by my ears (1.25), quite a bit different than what the CW sidetone represented, and possibly contributing to the readability report. I reset the weighting to "1.05" and the CW output now sounds exactly like the sidetone spacing. For those KX3 drivers out there, you may want to either listen to your transmitted signal, or simply trust my assessment and set menu CW WGHT to 1.05. Dennis - WU6X > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From phils at riousa.com Mon Dec 22 22:02:37 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:02:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 12/7/2014 In-Reply-To: References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com> <0373FB1F-7227-45CD-90D6-A58233268644@riousa.com> <0F2EFBC9-807B-4076-BEA7-0D1E0EFA932E@riousa.com> <3440EB84-AAB2-4074-BA30-D518495E8C15@riousa.com> <4E04B3B5-2103-4F1B-9A4B-F5BCF9E324BF@riousa.com> <1027B2D2-BFDF-425E-B36A-68ECB20F97AF@riousa.com> <024F45C3-0B0E-4236-A269-BE0309474B54@riousa.com> <1A408DE9-0AEC-47C8-A591-E7B02DFDBAEC@riousa.com> <0AEF6092-2A7F-477E-B6CB-C0A6255B298B@riousa.com> <9CE1E9D7-6CE3-4248-BD5A-2D75F68B6492@riousa.com> <233D3512-FD5D-467D-A0C2-664C20ED7F73@riousa.com> <3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF 6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com> <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com> <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com> <58C5E613-F4D3-44B1-86D0-5984520EE834@riousa.com> <153371D3-9186-4D37-8172-12FB6332149E@riousa.com> <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> Message-ID: <6B250D66-6B6A-43DB-94F9-0E71820B0812@riousa.com> Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from December 7, 2014. We had 35 participants. Station Name QTH Rig S/N WB9JNZ/m Eric WI IC7000 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 VE3XM Bob ON K3 409 WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 K5RHD Randy NM KX3 1383 KD8DZ Mike OH K3 5905 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 K3SEN Dale FL K3 7619 W0CZ Ken ND K3 457 AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP K6WDE Dave AZ KX3 4599 QRP W0SGM Scott IA KX3 3689 QRP KD4PS Dave IL KX3 3389 QRP AD0LG Bill CO KX3 7111 QRP K7BRR Bill AZ K3 5545 QRP ZL1PWD Peter NZ K3 139 KD9ANS Tony IL K3 826 W4DML Doug TN K3 2915 QRP VE7EAR Al BC KX3 1358 KC9ZZU Len IL IC7410 AA7F Arlen WA K3 8115 KC0OCH Justin MO KX3 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 WN8A Jim MI K3 3480 NT1R Joe ME K3 124 N7GOD Galen ID K2 6533 W7JJL John WA KX3 993 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 K4FI Doug SC K3 6199 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From dj0qn at gmx.net Mon Dec 22 22:14:34 2014 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?TWl0Y2ggV29sZnNvbiBESsOYUU4=?=) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? In-Reply-To: <077373250B1B433EB2C61E0939DC7F38@DenComputer> References: <1F38480AB3B64C8AA016323778A71411@DenComputer> <5498AB4B.20700@gmx.net> <077373250B1B433EB2C61E0939DC7F38@DenComputer> Message-ID: <5498DE1A.2050509@gmx.net> Hi Larry, I thought I explained it before, but I will make another attempt ;-) RRC-1258MkIIs: This is the set that does the actual *remote control*. It provides all audio using the SIP protocol, rig control through CAT, CW support (including paddle), some limited relays and a virtual COM port (two if you don't need CAT), etc. See http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1051 Webswitch 1216H or RC-1216H: These are web controlled *RELAYS*. The H version is an all rounder that can be used for rotor control, relays to control devices, temperature measurement, etc. It has no audio, CW, or other rig control functionality, it is purely for device control using relays. See: http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=166 The RC versions are more specialized to control devices, i.e. Acom 2000a, SPE Expert 1K-FA, KPA500, SteppIR and rotors. See http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010 Maybe you got me this time around, hopefully! 73 and happy holidays from Bonita Springs, FL Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 22.12.2014 19:23, Larry - K1UO wrote: > Thanks Mitch.. I went to the website you provided but I don?t find > the RRC 1256 units shown anywhere. The webswitches are called 1216 > units. The 1256,s listed in Elecraft manuals appear to look like 1258 > units.. Maybe the 1258's are just newer units with newer features? > > regards > Larry K1UO > > -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:37 PM > To: Larry - K1UO ; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? > > The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the > 1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the > 1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising > and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off. > > All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at > http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any > questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at > http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php > > 73, > Mitch DJ0QN > > Mitch Wolfson > DJ?QN / K7DX > Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn > Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 > Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 > > On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote: >> What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 ? >> Twins on the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII?s and the Remote Rig units >> for remoting the K3?s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the >> Elecraft literature? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > > From ky7k at cox.net Mon Dec 22 22:55:02 2014 From: ky7k at cox.net (KY7K) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? In-Reply-To: References: <1F38480AB3B64C8AA016323778A71411@DenComputer> <5498AB4B.20700@gmx.net> Message-ID: Larry, I would call Elecraft and ask them directly, but I think the 1256 may be a typo in the earlier documents or a earlier model. The latest K3 remote manual (apr 2014) on the webside only mentions the 1258. Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio! > On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Larry - K1UO wrote: > > Thanks Mitch.. I went to the website you provided but I don?t find the RRC 1256 units shown anywhere. The webswitches are called 1216 units. The 1256,s listed in Elecraft manuals appear to look like 1258 units.. Maybe the 1258's are just newer units with newer features? > > regards > Larry K1UO > > -----Original Message----- From: Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:37 PM > To: Larry - K1UO ; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Remote Rig number difference? > > The 1258's are the RemoteRig RRC's required for remote operation, the > 1256's are Webswitches, a completely different product line. I use the > 1258's for my K3 remote control, as well as a 1256 for my rotor, raising > and lowering my mast and turning my SPE 2K-FA on and off. > > All this information is available on the RemoteRig web site at > http://www.remoterig.com/ and you can received detailed answers to any > questions you may have on the RemoteRig forum at > http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php > > 73, > Mitch DJ0QN > > Mitch Wolfson > DJ?QN / K7DX > Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn > Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 > Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 > > On 22.12.2014 16:41, Larry - K1UO wrote: >> What is the difference between the Remote Rig number for the K3 ? Twins on the RRC Website RRC-1258 MKII?s and the Remote Rig units for remoting the K3?s that are designated RRC-1256 in all the Elecraft literature? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ky7k at cox.net From hamdan at ix.netcom.com Tue Dec 23 00:32:38 2014 From: hamdan at ix.netcom.com (Bernie KF0QS) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:32:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 9M6XRO with my K2/10 In-Reply-To: <55C5F174-7C20-42AF-B953-7FB28B0E4BAD@gmail.com> References: <1419224370923-7596239.post@n2.nabble.com> <55C5F174-7C20-42AF-B953-7FB28B0E4BAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419312758733-7596290.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for the replies you guys. I'd always heard about QRP guys busting pileups, and having done it once, I've got a lot more confidence for doing it again. Happy Holidays all, and 73 de Bernie, KF0QS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/9M6XRO-with-my-K2-10-tp7596239p7596290.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 01:19:10 2014 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:19:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] cw id on SSB not working now. Message-ID: <1419315550875-7596291.post@n2.nabble.com> I had set up my M1 to id in CW when I was rag chewing on my local freq. I do not know what changed but I can not get it to send my call in CW while in SSB mode anymore. CW Weight tapped 1 and got +cw used the K3 utility to set in my call sign under bank 1 M1. I push the m1 button now and it switches to transmit but does not send my call. Does anyone know what I might not have set right. Thanks Gerald ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K2 # 5486 K3 # 6254 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/cw-id-on-SSB-not-working-now-tp7596291.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 23 01:30:19 2014 From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> Well, more good information. Maybe I stand corrected. It's been nearly 4 years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more into the statements than it should have. I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled "POWER". There is a note that reads "To ensure correct save of operating parameters, turn the K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off." When I read that, I thought about the short duration power failures we experience. Page 44 touches on updating the nonvolatile memory correctly before shut-down either by the power switch, or in this case a 'PS0;' command via the RS232 interface. As you saw, there was a reply from a contester who had several power outages with multiple K3's without any troubles. That was good to learn of. I thought If I only use the battery for backup to shutdown, there should be a minimum of charging. I have been using a UPS on the AC supply, but I trust a float battery I can test on the DC. I may abandon the whole idea and stay with the UPS. Sometimes rejection is a good thing. Note: As I learn more about this radio, I appreciate the thought that went into it's design. Thanks for the posts, and the bandwidth. Dick, n0ce From ctate at ewnetinc.com Tue Dec 23 02:01:04 2014 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:01:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <54967FE1.9070102@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5496731A.2050303@sonic.net> <54967FE1.9070102@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD31B5C4@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Ok. This issue has been resolved. First I want to send a huge Thanks to K9YC for his body of work on RFI, and bonding , as well as W3FPR for setting me straight where I should be reading on the pan adapter and soundcard isses. I spent some quality time, along with an offline email (thanks Jim) and ended up bonding all equipment, laptop, KX3, basically any chassis. Since this is an expedition kit, I took his advice and built pigtails with power pole connectors connected to each chassis in the setup. This allows quick assembly and breakdown of the bonding system. After doing this First result.. all audible rfi noise in headphones.. gone. Voltage between devices seems to have been balanced. Spot on Jim. This was great, and it gets better. The noise I was seeing on waterfalls seems to be nastiness coming from the USB system on the laptop. I did some snooping with an HT to narrow this down. I applied a ferrite choke onto the USB cable along with ensuring a very secure connection to the USB port.. fired up the system and bingo.. 98% of the displayed noise on the waterfall is gone. (I am not sure if the Choke worked or if it was a loose connection, or both). Lessons learned.. 1. Read the Elecraft Manual. Carefully. 2. Read K9YC presentation and data Carefully. Raise your hands and say.. "You are the go to man for this Reverend Jim!" 3. Read telepost soundcard page. Read it again. Thanks again Don.. They have really added a lot of info since the last time I looked there. 4. Reach out to the authors as needed to reassure yourself what you read is true :-). (I guess it's a ham thing.. or maybe an N6WM thing hi hi) Net result (with all these little challenges solved) is I have the best sounding fully functional compact expedition/portable contestpedition setup that can fit in a pelican case(in my opinion.) Consists of KX3/KXPA100 Thinkpad notebook, mini speakers, small power supply, Xonar sound card, footswitch(tested and working) , headphones(CM500 tx audio dialed in), budipole and battery for the really remote stuff. With the IQ out into the Xonar , I have skimmer, N1MM Plus, and even power SDR running in a stable state giving a full waterfall display of my choosing. In fact I have them running all simultaneously. The entire setup works, and works well. Now I can pack all this stuff up and get back to planning its first travel date, and using my K3/0 connected to my "not on expedition" K-line at the hilltop station. Thanks K9YC and everyone else who responded.. this was a fun project... and of course keep cranking out these super cool products Eric and Wayne! ~Chris N6WM From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 23 02:24:14 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:24:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <5499189E.7070807@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/22/2014 2:50 PM, david Moes wrote: > I'm just curios is there any real test data available showing what > IMD may be present at various supply voltages? The link below is for a presentation that K6XX and I did to NCCC a year or so ago. See slide #42 for some measurements that Bob did. http://k9yc.com/K6XXAmpTalk.pdf The measurements I posted a day or two ago were done at supply voltages between about 12.5V and 12.9V. It's hard to find the IMD -- there's some, but it's WAY down. 73, Jim K9YC From DG5WJ at gmx.de Tue Dec 23 04:46:20 2014 From: DG5WJ at gmx.de (Benjamin Schmid) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:46:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 Message-ID: From bennyschmid at icloud.com Tue Dec 23 05:01:43 2014 From: bennyschmid at icloud.com (Benjamin Schmid) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:01:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 Message-ID: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> Hi everybody, I'm currently in the middle of building my K1 #3343. Right until now everything went just fine and it's been fun to build. I'm at the point of the first power up and wanted to test the ATTN relay. The LED comes on but there ist no relay clicking. When hitting BAND I realized that band change wasn't possible and the TRX shows E27. The filter board is completely plugged in and seated correctly. Off to the manual then. Have you tried turning it off an on again: yes. No relay clicking on power up. Until then i thought that was normal. I checked the orientation of Fil-U1. Its positioned correct and completely in the socket, no bent pins etc.. I checked the voltages of Fil-U1 everything within the specified range. I checked some voltages at the MCU, not all yet, all within range or as specified in the manual. I read some older posts abt similar problems. I checked Fil-R1. It's the correct value and the solder joint seems good. I followed the hole path of the aux bus signal from Fil-U1 Pin13 up to the MCU. Resistance is just the 100ohm of Fil-R1. I redid some solder connections on the way even though they looked good, as well as all solders on all multi pin connectors. On the FP-Board FP-RFC1 is the correct value, solder joints looks ok. (It's not a resistor) Kept reading some older posts and checked the coil resistance of all relays, all about the same resistance (not sure about the actual value right now) , soldering and position of all relays ok. Right now i redid some voltage measurements. I found out that the voltage at FIL-U1-16 is somewhat unstable. The first time i measured it was well below 0.3V. This time it was around 0.6 Volts, a couple seconds later around 1.3 V while Pin 15 is at flat 0.0V as it was before. Not sure what's that supposed to tell me. Did I fry Z1 while soldering? Or is it U1 itself causing the trouble? Any ideas are much appreciated! Thanks in advance and happy holidays. 73 de DG5WJ - Benny P.S. I sent the same message twice already but somehow they showed up in the liste without any content. So I switched Mail adresses. Sorry for the spam! From anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp Tue Dec 23 05:01:59 2014 From: anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp (JE0LFI) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:01:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] v1.16 Bug?: Cursor in AM mode Message-ID: <1419328919764-7596296.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi In AM mode, When I specified the PBT to Low=0.0 and Hi=4.0, the cursor's low side(PBT I) displayed in the left side of the center. And hi side(PBT II) displayed in the right side of the center. The band width of the cursor, looks like more than 4.0KHz across the center frequency. Is this correct? 73, JE0LFI / Nakamura #wish FixTrack mode and SYNC-AM mode -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-v1-16-Bug-Cursor-in-AM-mode-tp7596296.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Tue Dec 23 05:54:21 2014 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:54:21 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output In-Reply-To: <54989CA4.5060502@embarqmail.com> References: <549881A6.6080805@gmail.com> <54989CA4.5060502@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <003201d01e9e$d4445b20$7ccd1160$@co.uk> > >Actually, the hardest part of installing that change is removing the >KPA3. Once that is accomplished, the rest of the mod is easy - as Vic >said, it is a matter of changing two components. > >73, >Don W3FPR It isn't necessary to remove the KPA3 at all. A $5 pair of long-reach surgical forceps or hemostats will do the job without unnecessary disturbance to major organs. Remove only the rear fan panel, and then it's easy to reach down behind the KPA3 using the hemostats to remove RFC48 and F2. Lightly clip the hemostats onto the component and then unsolder from underneath. After clearing the holes of solder, use the hemostats again to insert each new component from above. Easy! Hemostats are readily available as craft tools on eBay for only a few $/?/EUR, and the 6-inch straight pattern is probably the first one to buy. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From dmoes at nexicom.net Tue Dec 23 07:54:24 2014 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:54:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <5499189E.7070807@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> <5499189E.7070807@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54996600.2010402@nexicom.net> Interesting presentation and I certainly understand the principal of supply voltage vs IMD. There are some transmitters that I would not run at 12v some are worse than others. Im looking specifically at K3 performance as this is what I have, and as Don points out it is one of if not the cleanest out there and as pointed out droping my power by 30% would have little effect at the receiving end but would certainly reduce IMD and may get me an hour more operating time to boot. What transmitter you were using on page 43 Seems to be an ICOM 7600 for most samples and what were the actual high, nominal, and low voltages. just a guess would be the rigs spec High, 13.8, and spec minimum. Also I wonder if I could get the authors permission to use this in a presentation at a club meeting. David Moes dmoes at nexicom.net VE3DVY, VE3SD On 12/23/2014 02:24, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/22/2014 2:50 PM, david Moes wrote: >> I'm just curios is there any real test data available showing what >> IMD may be present at various supply voltages? > > The link below is for a presentation that K6XX and I did to NCCC a > year or so ago. See slide #42 for some measurements that Bob did. > > http://k9yc.com/K6XXAmpTalk.pdf > > The measurements I posted a day or two ago were done at supply > voltages between about 12.5V and 12.9V. It's hard to find the IMD -- > there's some, but it's WAY down. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 23 07:58:54 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 In-Reply-To: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> References: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5499670E.4030806@embarqmail.com> Benny, Error E27 says that your filter board is not being recognized. Turn the manual to the Troubleshooting Appendix in the rear , page 2 and do the checks indicated in the E27 block. Be certain all pins of the headers to the filter board are well soldered. If the band board firmware (U1) is plugged in backwards, you will have low voltage on pin 16 and the regulator will get hot. The notch on U1 must point toward the rear of the board. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/23/2014 5:01 AM, Benjamin Schmid wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm currently in the middle of building my K1 #3343. > Right until now everything went just fine and it's been fun to build. > > I'm at the point of the first power up and wanted to test the ATTN relay. > > The LED comes on but there ist no relay clicking. > When hitting BAND I realized that band change wasn't possible and the TRX shows E27. > > The filter board is completely plugged in and seated correctly. > Off to the manual then. Have you tried turning it off an on again: yes. > No relay clicking on power up. Until then i thought that was normal. > > I checked the orientation of Fil-U1. Its positioned correct and completely in the socket, no bent pins etc.. > I checked the voltages of Fil-U1 everything within the specified range. > I checked some voltages at the MCU, not all yet, all within range or as specified in the manual. > > I read some older posts abt similar problems. I checked Fil-R1. It's the correct value and the solder joint seems good. > I followed the hole path of the aux bus signal from Fil-U1 Pin13 up to the MCU. Resistance is just the 100ohm of Fil-R1. > I redid some solder connections on the way even though they looked good, as well as all solders on all multi pin connectors. > On the FP-Board FP-RFC1 is the correct value, solder joints looks ok. (It's not a resistor) > > > Kept reading some older posts and checked the coil resistance of all relays, all about the same resistance (not sure about the actual value right now) , soldering and position of all relays ok. > > > Right now i redid some voltage measurements. > I found out that the voltage at FIL-U1-16 is somewhat unstable. The first time i measured it was well below 0.3V. > This time it was around 0.6 Volts, a couple seconds later around 1.3 V while Pin 15 is at flat 0.0V as it was before. > > Not sure what's that supposed to tell me. Did I fry Z1 while soldering? Or is it U1 itself causing the trouble? > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Dec 23 08:29:49 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plug In-Reply-To: <14F603CE-2702-4C51-97BC-133EF06B6274@gmail.com> References: <14F603CE-2702-4C51-97BC-133EF06B6274@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54996E4D.8050604@nycap.rr.com> I had that problem early on and figured it was a film of some kind on the innards of the jack - had to wiggle the plug to get it to work. So........ I used some of that high dollar contact cleaner on the plug and then while it was still dripping wet, plugged it in and twisted it around for a few seconds. That fixed the problem. Your mileage may vary! Bill W2BLC K-Line From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Dec 23 09:43:42 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:43:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54996600.2010402@nexicom.net> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> <5499189E.7070807@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54996600.2010402@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <1419345822267-7596302.post@n2.nabble.com> My setup is charging a 33 AH AGM battery via a West Mountain Radio PowerGate PG40S that feeds a distribution panel for the K3, P3 and other 12v accessories. The power supply input to the PowerGate is a PowerWerx SPS-30DM. The system can handle short power outages and keeps the battery correctly charged. I only turn the P/S on when using the rigs unless the PowerGate indicates a need for 'bulk' charging. When it goes to float, I turn the P/S off. I really see this as an uninterruptible P/S protection for the station. It was also helpful when I was chasing down an interference signal I was seeing by eliminating any source in the house (cut the AC mains and ran the K3/P3 form the battery.) 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-13-8-VDC-power-tp7596240p7596302.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 23 09:55:29 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:55:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54996600.2010402@nexicom.net> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <5497CBE8.7010506@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54984766.20104@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5498A042.7000901@nexicom.net> <5499189E.7070807@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54996600.2010402@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <54998261.9050309@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,12/23/2014 4:54 AM, david Moes wrote: > Interesting presentation and I certainly understand the principal of > supply voltage vs IMD. There are some transmitters that I would not > run at 12v some are worse than others. Im looking specifically at > K3 performance as this is what I have, and as Don points out it is one > of if not the cleanest out there and as pointed out droping my power > by 30% would have little effect at the receiving end but would > certainly reduce IMD and may get me an hour more operating time to > boot. What transmitter you were using on page 43 I don't know -- that part of the program was prepared by K6XX. You can identify his measurement slides by their screen display, which were made using a Rigol Spectrum Analyzer. My measurements were those done using the P3, looking at signals on the air. > Seems to be an ICOM 7600 for most samples and what were the actual > high, nominal, and low voltages. just a guess would be the rigs spec > High, 13.8, and spec minimum. > > Also I wonder if I could get the authors permission to use this in a > presentation at a club meeting. Sorry, no, because much of the content of the presentation depends on Bob's oral talk, and it was not recorded. You are, however, welcome to pass around the link. 73, Jim K9YC From n1rj at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 23 11:09:20 2014 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <549993B0.9010504@roadrunner.com> It IS possible to send the K3 off to never-never land by removing the 12 volt input before shutting the radio off with the power switch. I've had it happen whilst mucking around behind my desk and accidentally pulling out the Anderson power-pole connector. If you've saved the settings using the K3 utility, you can reset everything using the procedure on page 63 of the K3 manual. NOTE: This did not work with my rotor control plugged into the ACC socket! If you didn't save the parameters, you will have to manually reset everything! SAVE! 73, Roger On 12/23/2014 1:30 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > Well, more good information. Maybe I stand corrected. It's been nearly 4 > years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more into the > statements than it should have. > > I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled "POWER". There > is a note that reads "To ensure correct save of operating parameters, turn the > K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off." When I read that, I thought > about the short duration power failures we experience. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 23 12:08:02 2014 From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:08:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <549993B0.9010504@roadrunner.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> <549993B0.9010504@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <5499A172.5080005@embarqmail.com> Thanks Roger, that information is rewarding. Imagine what would happen if a power outage occurs during a firmware upload. The odds are slim, but my middle name is 'Murphy'. I want a good battery in my laptop as well. It has to finish the upload. Dick, n0ce On 12/23/2014 10:09 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > It IS possible to send the K3 off to never-never land by removing the > 12 volt input before > shutting the radio off with the power switch. I've had it happen > whilst mucking around > behind my desk and accidentally pulling out the Anderson power-pole > connector. > > If you've saved the settings using the K3 utility, you can reset > everything using the > procedure on page 63 of the K3 manual. NOTE: This did not work with my > rotor > control plugged into the ACC socket! If you didn't save the > parameters, you will > have to manually reset everything! SAVE! > > 73, Roger > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 23 12:33:58 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <549993B0.9010504@roadrunner.com> References: <549993B0.9010504@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <1365824489.418763.1419356038127.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10072.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have noted that if you remove power it does not give the processor time to save the last frequency and other settings that it automatically saves (operating conditions). ?I had this happen with a defective power supply and a few times when the power was automatically removed. ?My dog likes to sleep under the operating desk. ?Lately he has been picking on my cable modem and router.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Roger D Johnson To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power It IS possible to send the K3 off to never-never land by removing the 12 volt input before shutting the radio off with the power switch. I've had it happen whilst mucking around behind my desk and accidentally pulling out the Anderson power-pole connector. If you've saved the settings using the K3 utility, you can reset everything using the procedure on page 63 of the K3 manual. NOTE: This did not work with my rotor control plugged into the ACC socket! If you didn't save the parameters, you will have to manually reset everything! SAVE! 73, Roger On 12/23/2014 1:30 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > Well, more good information.? Maybe I stand corrected.? It's been nearly 4 > years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more into the > statements than it should have. > > I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled "POWER".? There > is a note that reads "To ensure correct save of operating parameters, turn the > K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off."? When I read that, I thought > about the short duration power failures we experience. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From bennyschmid at icloud.com Tue Dec 23 12:53:20 2014 From: bennyschmid at icloud.com (Benjamin Schmid) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:53:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 In-Reply-To: <549998B9.8000501@socal.rr.com> References: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> <5499670E.4030806@embarqmail.com> <549998B9.8000501@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <885C7DED-FDED-4C8B-BA37-4FDB80C9E850@icloud.com> Hi Don, thanks for your help. I did the troubleshooting steps: - Turning the K1 off and on again -> no effect. No relays clicking on startup. - FIL-U1 is installed correct (notch to the rear), no bent pins, checked the soldering of the socket. The manual states that FIL U1 may be defective. I just wanted to clear out other possibilities before ordering a replacement. - With power on I checked the voltages at FIL U1 and FP U1 according to the voltages table. All Fil U1 voltages except 16 are within range. As stated before U1 pin 16 Voltage is unstable between below 0.3V to 1.6V All MCU voltages are within range except Pin 6. Just measured 1.9V there should be 2.5V Power consumption is at 66mA with no audio output and the LCD backlight (bright version) installed. Thanks again for your time. >> Be certain all pins of the headers to the filter board are well soldered. >> If the band board firmware (U1) is plugged in backwards, you will have low voltage on pin 16 and the regulator will get hot. The notch on U1 must point toward the rear of the board. From n1al at sonic.net Tue Dec 23 13:22:03 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:22:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] v1.16 Bug?: Cursor in AM mode In-Reply-To: <1419328919764-7596296.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419328919764-7596296.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5499B2CB.5000203@sonic.net> The KX3 (and K3) bandwidth controls are with respect too the audio frequency, not the RF frequency. So in LSB mode, for example, the bandwidths move in opposite directions on the KX3 and PX3. In AM mode, the bandwidth is mirrored about the carrier frequency. Alan N1AL On 12/23/2014 02:01 AM, JE0LFI wrote: > Hi > > In AM mode, > > When I specified the PBT to Low=0.0 and Hi=4.0, the cursor's low side(PBT I) > displayed in the left side of the center. And hi side(PBT II) displayed in > the right side of the center. > > The band width of the cursor, looks like more than 4.0KHz across the center > frequency. > > Is this correct? > > 73, > > JE0LFI / Nakamura > > #wish FixTrack mode and SYNC-AM mode > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-v1-16-Bug-Cursor-in-AM-mode-tp7596296.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From phil at k3tuf.com Tue Dec 23 14:55:58 2014 From: phil at k3tuf.com (Phil Theis) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware Message-ID: <5499C8CE.1040104@k3tuf.com> Running the latest K3 Utility If I select download the latest firmware The dialog box says that it's connected to the server says to wait Then I get invalid handle error then the microsoft error box comes up, then the application crashes. Any thoughts on what gives? This been going on for a few days, I'm sure the server is not down. Phil K3TUF From wocz at i29.net Tue Dec 23 15:06:44 2014 From: wocz at i29.net (wocz at i29.net) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:06:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi to the group I have a K3 and a KX3 with PX3 and PA100. I always keep an up to date config file on my computer. If I get an out of sequence power off I always restore the config using the Elecraft utility. If I load new firmware I also restore the good config. If I go to field day I make sure there is a good config file for each operator. This allows each operator to have their favorite settings and when I get home I can eliminate any unwanted changes by reloading my known good config file. I use a battery for camping and field day but even there a connector can come unplugged and cause trouble to the config file. Troubles in the config file do not always show up right away as any memory spot can be damaged. The config file can be spoiled by a fat finger when changing setting in the rig menu. It can also be spoiled when having trouble reloading firmware. My recommendation is to keep the config file clean and ready. Battery backup may be used for other reasons such as finishing a QSO but it should not be used just to prevent config file problems. Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net Sent from my iPad > > > Well, more good information. Maybe I stand corrected. It's been nearly 4 years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more into the statements than it should have. > > I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled "POWER". There is a note that reads "To ensure correct save of operating parameters, turn the K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off." When I read that, I thought about the short duration power failures we experience. > > I thought If I only use the battery for backup to shutdown, there should be a minimum of charging. I have been using a UPS on the AC supply, but I trust a float battery I can test on the DC. I may abandon the whole idea and stay with the UPS. Sometimes rejection is a good thing. > > Note: As I learn more about this radio, I appreciate the thought that went into it's design. > > Thanks for the posts, and the bandwidth. > > Dick, n0ce > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 15:07:27 2014 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:07:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: RV's all contain power supplies that are designed to use 120 volts from either generator or park power, to provide fifty-sixty-ish DC amperage to the 12 volt (13.8) rails and "house" batteries around the RV. RV's run a LOT of stuff on 13.8: fridge controls, Air Cond. controls, fans, furnace, lights, alarms, water pump, etc. The difference between these power supplies and an automotive changer, is that the RV supplies are designed to work with a deep cycle battery (often a pair of 6V T105's in series) floating on the 12 volt rail, and have the 14.4 v bulk charge, 13.6 v maintenance or "absorbtion" charge and 13.2 float settings logic built in. The power supplies are also designed to provide up to charger max current rating to the 12 volt rail once battery(s) are charged. Typical power supply size for a pair of T105's is 55 or 65 amps, which will nicely power a station with a pair of K3's plus a lot of 12v accessories. T105's are more commonly known as pro golf cart batteries, with six in series a typical battery array in a golf cart. The power supply has to match the house batteries' rated max sustained charge current. When "house" 12v draw plus battery charge current exceeds the rated current, the power supply voltage drops to limit the current at the rated amperage. This is what I have in my RV. Camping World prices for these units can be beaten on the internet. http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/wf-9800-series-converter-charger-55-amp/58324 My RV is a self-contained field day station that can put everything on the 12 volt rail.The generator or park power runs the microwave, the air conditioning and the aforementioned RV 12v supply. The T105 house batteries could easily handle a 2 x QRP entry for the 24 hours. Using this kind of power supply at home to run a battery float system is very easy, once the venting and safe location of batteries issue is settled. The batteries and power supply can be quite a distance from the shack if single aught copper is used to bus the current from battery to shack and distribution/fuse device. 73, Guy. > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Dec 23 15:12:24 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:12:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware In-Reply-To: <5499C8CE.1040104@k3tuf.com> References: <5499C8CE.1040104@k3tuf.com> Message-ID: <5499CCA8.7000009@foothill.net> Take 2 aspirin and call in the morning? Seriously, something resembling that sequence happened to me not long ago after I decided to go through all the utilities and upgrade to the latest. I deleted as much of the install I could find, the shortcuts, and all references and re-installed it. Works OK now. Acer quad-core laptop + Win 7 Home From here on, if it works and there's nothing in the update I need or want, I'll resist the urge to install it just because it's "there." Been doing that for quite awhile with the K3 firmware. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/23/2014 11:55 AM, Phil Theis wrote: > Running the latest K3 Utility > If I select download the latest firmware > The dialog box says that it's connected to the server > says to wait > Then I get invalid handle error > then the microsoft error box comes up, > then the application crashes. > > Any thoughts on what gives? This been going on for a few days, I'm > sure the server is not down. From don at w3fpr.com Tue Dec 23 15:54:27 2014 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:54:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 In-Reply-To: <885C7DED-FDED-4C8B-BA37-4FDB80C9E850@icloud.com> References: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> <5499670E.4030806@embarqmail.com> <549998B9.8000501@socal.rr.com> <885C7DED-FDED-4C8B-BA37-4FDB80C9E850@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5499D683.5070108@w3fpr.com> Benny, The voltage at U1 pin 16 may be OK - that is one of the resonator pins and can be loaded by your DMM. That is what makes it read as unstable. For some reason, the K2 MCU is not communicating with the band board firmware. Check all the soldering again, and if that does not resolve itself, obtain a replacement filter board firmware IC *and* obtain a replacement resonator (Z1) just in case that one is defective. If you happen to have a spare 4 MHz resonator on hand, try replacing Z1 - that could possibly be the entire problem. You never know until you try it. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/23/2014 12:53 PM, Benjamin Schmid wrote: > Hi Don, > > thanks for your help. > > I did the troubleshooting steps: > - Turning the K1 off and on again -> no effect. No relays clicking on startup. > > - FIL-U1 is installed correct (notch to the rear), no bent pins, checked the soldering of the socket. > The manual states that FIL U1 may be defective. I just wanted to clear out other possibilities before ordering a replacement. > > - With power on I checked the voltages at FIL U1 and FP U1 according to the voltages table. > All Fil U1 voltages except 16 are within range. As stated before U1 pin 16 Voltage is unstable between below 0.3V to 1.6V > All MCU voltages are within range except Pin 6. Just measured 1.9V there should be 2.5V > > Power consumption is at 66mA with no audio output and the LCD backlight (bright version) installed. > > Thanks again for your time. > > >>> Be certain all pins of the headers to the filter board are well soldered. >>> If the band board firmware (U1) is plugged in backwards, you will have low voltage on pin 16 and the regulator will get hot. The notch on U1 must point toward the rear of the board. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Dec 23 16:11:42 2014 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:11:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware In-Reply-To: <5499CCA8.7000009@foothill.net> References: <5499CCA8.7000009@foothill.net> Message-ID: <5499DA8E.2090402@nycap.rr.com> I agree - why "fix" something that is not broken. Bill W2BLC K-Line (working just fine) From w7lkg at comcast.net Tue Dec 23 18:41:32 2014 From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:41:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 In-Reply-To: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> References: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com> Message-ID: <003601d01f09$fb8a5ca0$f29f15e0$@net> Benny, I just finished my basic K1, Serial Nr 3342, with the first filter board (20m/15m). I'm amazed at how well it went. No missing parts. Every jack & plug fits with laser precision. All resistance & voltage measurements fell right on, or midrange between the manuals listed parameters. I'd go back and recheck everything. Also make sure the small mini switch (oper/cal) on the bottom of the RF board is in the "OPER" position. It makes a difference when checking the U8 pin 1 and pin 8 voltages. All alignment procedures went as stated in the manual. My VFO range is 80Khz and I ended up taking ONE turn off of coil L1 to get it down to 3.095Khz. Actual range is 84Khz. Using my SteppIR DB-18 ant my first contact was with a station in Spokane, WA on 20mtrs. Later my 2nd contact was with a station in New London, CT. An actual QSO with names, rigs, etc. Lasted 17 minutes. Power = 3W. Now to start the 2nd filter board (17/30 meters). Thank you Elecraft and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to All. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Benjamin Schmid Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 02:02 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1 Hi everybody, I'm currently in the middle of building my K1 #3343. Right until now everything went just fine and it's been fun to build. I'm at the point of the first power up and wanted to test the ATTN relay. The LED comes on but there ist no relay clicking. When hitting BAND I realized that band change wasn't possible and the TRX shows E27. The filter board is completely plugged in and seated correctly. Off to the manual then. Have you tried turning it off an on again: yes. No relay clicking on power up. Until then i thought that was normal. I checked the orientation of Fil-U1. Its positioned correct and completely in the socket, no bent pins etc.. I checked the voltages of Fil-U1 everything within the specified range. I checked some voltages at the MCU, not all yet, all within range or as specified in the manual. I read some older posts abt similar problems. I checked Fil-R1. It's the correct value and the solder joint seems good. I followed the hole path of the aux bus signal from Fil-U1 Pin13 up to the MCU. Resistance is just the 100ohm of Fil-R1. I redid some solder connections on the way even though they looked good, as well as all solders on all multi pin connectors. On the FP-Board FP-RFC1 is the correct value, solder joints looks ok. (It's not a resistor) Kept reading some older posts and checked the coil resistance of all relays, all about the same resistance (not sure about the actual value right now) , soldering and position of all relays ok. Right now i redid some voltage measurements. I found out that the voltage at FIL-U1-16 is somewhat unstable. The first time i measured it was well below 0.3V. This time it was around 0.6 Volts, a couple seconds later around 1.3 V while Pin 15 is at flat 0.0V as it was before. Not sure what's that supposed to tell me. Did I fry Z1 while soldering? Or is it U1 itself causing the trouble? Any ideas are much appreciated! Thanks in advance and happy holidays. 73 de DG5WJ - Benny P.S. I sent the same message twice already but somehow they showed up in the liste without any content. So I switched Mail adresses. Sorry for the spam! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w7lkg at comcast.net From af4b at att.net Tue Dec 23 18:59:41 2014 From: af4b at att.net (Bill Adams) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:59:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output In-Reply-To: <54987C37.1010705@embarqmail.com> References: <54987C37.1010705@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <880555.85059.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> The mod kit has a label for the higher current capacity that is used to cover the original one on the K3. I'm guessing new K3s are labeled correctly with the higher available current. Bill AF4B -----Original Message----- From: "Don Wilhelm" Sent: ?12/?22/?2014 2:17 PM To: "Dauer, Edward" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 DC Output Ted, Yes, K3s manufactured after the mod came out do have the 1 amp output rating starting with SN 6588. The Owner's Manual itself has not been updated, but Errata Rev D10-5 dated June 9, 2014 states the places where the manual should be manually updated. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2014 11:55 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > According to the Manual the K3?s DC output socket is limited to 0.5 amps, > which I understand means it can power a P3 alone but not both a P3 and a > PR6-10, nor a P3 with the VGA accessory. I looked through the on-line > manual for the mod kit this morning - it looks like major surgery. Did > Elecraft incorporate the mod in K3?s shipped after the mod came out in > 2012? My K3 is S/N 7562. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to af4b at att.net From kg5eju at dlaab.com Tue Dec 23 22:15:36 2014 From: kg5eju at dlaab.com (KG5EJU) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:15:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 Message-ID: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming, but with separate power supply. Any truth to this? Thanks. - Dan From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 23 22:31:11 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 22:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> References: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> Message-ID: <549A337F.8020805@embarqmail.com> Dan, No truth whatsoever as far as I know. There were prototypes for an 800 watt and a 1500 watt amplifier shown many years ago, but those served as 'learning lessons' for the KPA500. The KPA500 will do 600 to 700 watts with ease, weighs only 26 pounds, and integrates with the K3 making the K3 appear to be a 500 watts transceiver. That is why it is the choice for many DXpeditions - light weight and a decent (and usable) power level. My personal opinion is that the 500 watt level was chosen because it better suits the worldwide market than a higher powered amplifier, and is only 3 db down from a 1000 watt amp - only half an s-unit on the receiving end. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/23/2014 10:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: > Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming, but with separate power supply. > > Any truth to this? > > From jrmcbee at cox.net Tue Dec 23 22:37:01 2014 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:37:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plug In-Reply-To: References: <14F603CE-2702-4C51-97BC-133EF06B6274@gmail.com> Message-ID: <549A34DD.4010901@cox.net> On 12/23/2014 7:29 AM, W2BLC wrote: > I had that problem early on and figured it was a film of some kind on > the innards of the jack - had to wiggle the plug to get it to work. > So........ I used some of that high dollar contact cleaner on the plug > and then while it was still dripping wet, plugged it in and twisted it > around for a few seconds. That fixed the problem. Your mileage may vary! > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jrmcbee at cox.n Problem still exist, however I have discovered that if I turn on spkr+ph to on, I have audio fine without headphones plugged in, but if I change it to spkr+ph to NO then the audio in speaker shuts off with no headphones plugged in. I have sprayed my phone connector plug with Eledtronic cleaner and put in phone jack and turned it and still no audio out speaker with phone plug out. When I turned on my K3 this evening before doing the test, I could not get any audio out speaker at all. Before it was hit and miss. So question again, cud it be phone plug on the K3 or firmware issue? Firmware agn is MCU 4.86. Thanks John From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Dec 23 23:41:20 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> References: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> Message-ID: <549A43F0.5080808@foothill.net> I wouldn't be holding my breath Dan. At one time, quite awhile ago, there were rumors of a KPA800 and/or KPA1500, and I believe one or more prototypes were built. A good friend, one of the Elecraft KPA500 engineers, mentioned that those prototypes fed a lot of the design into the 500, possibly why the 500 will run forever on RTTY at 500+ watts. I'm told the field testers were instructed to run them with all bars lit. There are a lot of good 1.0, 1.2, and 1.5 KW HF amps out there, this may be a market Elecraft has decided to pass up. I don't blame them. My KPA500 is solid as a rock. I had a 1200 W amp before, I ran it at 500 W for a year just to see if I could tell the difference, I couldn't, N6RK now has my old amp, I'm a happy ham. If I run the temp up to 70C, [that would be constant CQ's in a RTTY contest] the fans kick in, my wife says "they're noticeable." I'm about 3/4 deaf, I always operate with headphones, and I don't notice it. YMMV I've never had them come on high on CW or SSB. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/23/2014 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: > Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. > Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming, but with > separate power supply. > > Any truth to this? > > Thanks. > > - Dan From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Dec 24 00:24:34 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:24:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> References: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> Message-ID: On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: > Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. Not. Keep those ideas coming :) 73, Wayne N6KR From bbaines at mac.com Wed Dec 24 01:30:14 2014 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 01:30:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/O-Mini + Remote Rig Configuration for Heil Headset Message-ID: <2869B71E-DF4C-4B2F-840C-834EF42A24BB@mac.com> I am having difficulties getting my Heil ProSet with the HC-4/HC-5 mic cartridge to work with the K3/O-Mini + RemoteRig (purchased from Elecraft) where there is no audio reaching the K3 at the radio site. I?m told that the Heil mic cartridge is a dynamic element with no pre-amp gain. The mic connection for the K3 is set for the rear panel with no Bias and ?Low? Gain per the Heil documentation on their website (?All Things Elecraft?). The incoming audio (transmit) is fed from the Remote Rig-Remote front panel Aux/Mic using the supplied cable from Elecraft that connects to both the PTT In and Mic-Mono at the back of the K3. I?ve tried various configuration setups with the Control-RR to see if changing the audio level from the control site makes a difference, such as increasing the Codec inp gain, changing Codec Inp preamp to ?no? and varying the Audio Quality specified at both remote rig units. Using TX-Test, I then speak into the Mic and check for ALC and compression, varying the mic gain and compression. At no time do I see any measurement on the K3/O-Mini meters for ALC and compression. The ?monitor? capability is also not working as I can?t hear myself through the headset. I?m wondering if the Remote Rig system is setup for the Elecraft MH-2 mic which I understand does have amplification. If so, this may prevent a dynamic mic cartridge working properly with Remote Rig-Control. I?ve tried using the mic input on the side of the K3/O-mini as well as using the Kenwood adapter to utilize the 8-pin connector. I saw a note the other day from Mark, VA2MM which shows his setup for the Radio Side and Control Side; those settings didn?t work. I?ve tried the default settings specified in the ?K3-Remote Owner?s Manual? with no success. I have excellent audio quality coming from the K3 to the K3/O-Mini unit; the receiver audio sounds fine at the control site. I presume this means that there is a good audio connection between the two remote rigs. The radio site uses DSL with a low bandwidth (10 Mpbs Down/784 Kpbs Up) so if the receiver audio is good, I?m presuming that bandwidth wouldn?t be the problem on the transmit side as it would be on the higher capacity downlink to the DSL site. Any suggestions on what to check either in the K3 configuration or the Remote Rig setup at either the control site or the remote site? Given that the connection is through the internet, are there any router or other considerations that I should check? At the Remote (radio) site, I?m using the default UDP/TCP configurations for RRIG_cmd, RRIG_audio, and RRIG_sip with port forwarding to the Remote Rig-Radio. I do have the ability to access the Remote Rig-Remote from the control site so that I can make configuration changes at both ends and restart both Remote Rig devices. Consequently, I can update both Remote Rig boxes (control and remote) as needed. I should also note that the last time I was at the remote site, I was able to test the system at the station itself and push audio from the K3/O-Mini to the K3 via the Local Area Network when the K3/O-mini was next to the K3 on the same LAN. When I got back to the ?control site? , I had no transmit audio at al to the K3.. That may suggest an internet issue, but at this point I have no real handle on the source of the problem. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Westborough, MA (Control Site) Folkston, GA (Remote Site) From k2mk at comcast.net Wed Dec 24 05:26:25 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 03:26:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plug In-Reply-To: <549A34DD.4010901@cox.net> References: <5498BD5C.2060107@cox.net> <14F603CE-2702-4C51-97BC-133EF06B6274@gmail.com> <549A34DD.4010901@cox.net> Message-ID: <1419416785624-7596323.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi John, Are you sure your external speaker is plugged in to the speaker jack and not the rear headphone jack? 73, Mike K2MK John McBee-2 wrote > Problem still exist, however I have discovered that if I turn on spkr+ph > to on, I have audio fine without headphones plugged in, but if I change > it to spkr+ph to NO then the audio in speaker shuts off with no > headphones plugged in. I have sprayed my phone connector plug with > Eledtronic cleaner and put in phone jack and turned it and still no > audio out speaker with phone plug out. When I turned on my K3 this > evening before doing the test, I could not get any audio out speaker at > all. Before it was hit and miss. So question again, cud it be phone > plug on the K3 or firmware issue? Firmware agn is MCU 4.86. > > Thanks > John -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-phone-plub-tp7596284p7596323.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ockmrzr at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 05:36:38 2014 From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:36:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor Message-ID: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> Recently purchased a Yamaha CM500 headset with a Heil AD-1-K headset adaptor for Kenwood (the red one). I love the headset, much cheaper than the Heil and performs about the same, IMHO. The only way I managed to get the mic to work was through the rear jack (yes, the mic was selected to front panel). I did read in previous threads referring to mono and stereo mic connection. Do I need to replace the stereo mic connector on the headset with a mono? Is there a trick with the adaptor or am I messing up the set-up? 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 06:41:04 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:41:04 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor In-Reply-To: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> References: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <549aa653.25e9340a.33c9.ffff9b0c@mx.google.com> Bruce Are you using the BIAS box to connect it in the front? Is a small black box with, I think, 2 x AAA batteries 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Bruce & Gab Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de diciembre de 2014 08:37 a.m. Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com Asunto: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor Recently purchased a Yamaha CM500 headset with a Heil AD-1-K headset adaptor for Kenwood (the red one). I love the headset, much cheaper than the Heil and performs about the same, IMHO. The only way I managed to get the mic to work was through the rear jack (yes, the mic was selected to front panel). I did read in previous threads referring to mono and stereo mic connection. Do I need to replace the stereo mic connector on the headset with a mono? Is there a trick with the adaptor or am I messing up the set-up? 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From ockmrzr at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 06:51:27 2014 From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor In-Reply-To: <549aa653.25e9340a.33c9.ffff9b0c@mx.google.com> References: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> <549aa653.25e9340a.33c9.ffff9b0c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c901d01f6f$f392f5f0$dab8e1d0$@verizon.net> I am not. Do I need to, it seems very cumbersome to have it connected, plus the batteries would go dead over time. However, in the MENU, I have set: rP.L bIAS 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM [mailto:cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 06:41 To: 'Bruce & Gab'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor Bruce Are you using the BIAS box to connect it in the front? Is a small black box with, I think, 2 x AAA batteries 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Bruce & Gab Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 24 de diciembre de 2014 08:37 a.m. Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com Asunto: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor Recently purchased a Yamaha CM500 headset with a Heil AD-1-K headset adaptor for Kenwood (the red one). I love the headset, much cheaper than the Heil and performs about the same, IMHO. The only way I managed to get the mic to work was through the rear jack (yes, the mic was selected to front panel). I did read in previous threads referring to mono and stereo mic connection. Do I need to replace the stereo mic connector on the headset with a mono? Is there a trick with the adaptor or am I messing up the set-up? 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 24 07:31:17 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:31:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor In-Reply-To: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> References: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <549AB215.7070001@embarqmail.com> Bruce, Unless Heil has changed the Kenwood adapter, it should work fine. Test your adapter - put a bare stereo plug into the adapter and use your DMM. Pin 1 should connect to the tip of the stereo plug. The shell of the stereo plug should connect to either pin 7 or pin 8 (or both) and the ring of the stereo plug should connect to either nothing or to pin 1 (but *not* connect to either pin 7 or pin 8). If those tests are OK, it should work - set the Mic Sel menu to FPL.bias and adjust the mic gain to indicate 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/24/2014 5:36 AM, Bruce & Gab wrote: > Recently purchased a Yamaha CM500 headset with a Heil AD-1-K headset adaptor > for Kenwood (the red one). I love the headset, much cheaper than the Heil > and performs about the same, IMHO. > > The only way I managed to get the mic to work was through the rear jack > (yes, the mic was selected to front panel). > > I did read in previous threads referring to mono and stereo mic connection. > > > Do I need to replace the stereo mic connector on the headset with a mono? > > Is there a trick with the adaptor or am I messing up the set-up? > From wes at triconet.org Wed Dec 24 08:11:28 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:11:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Headset and Heil Adaptor In-Reply-To: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> References: <00aa01d01f65$80209000$8061b000$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <549ABB80.1040605@triconet.org> Remove the adapter, plug in the headset to the rear connectors, select the MAIN:MIC SEL menu, press [1], press [2] and you're almost done. (Mic rear panel, Low Z, Bias On) Now, you need to set the equalization. I get unsolicited good audio reports with the following: Band 1: -16 Band 2: -10 Band 3: -4 Band 4: 0 Band 5: 0 Band 6: 0 Band 7: 0 Band 8: -6 You will have to tailor this to your voice and preference. Wes N7WS On 12/24/2014 3:36 AM, Bruce & Gab wrote: > Recently purchased a Yamaha CM500 headset with a Heil AD-1-K headset adaptor > for Kenwood (the red one). I love the headset, much cheaper than the Heil > and performs about the same, IMHO. > > The only way I managed to get the mic to work was through the rear jack > (yes, the mic was selected to front panel). > > I did read in previous threads referring to mono and stereo mic connection. > > > Do I need to replace the stereo mic connector on the headset with a mono? > > Is there a trick with the adaptor or am I messing up the set-up? > > 73 de Bruce, N7TY > White Plains, MD > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From jrmcbee at cox.net Wed Dec 24 08:18:52 2014 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:18:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plug In-Reply-To: References: <5498BD5C.2060107@cox.net> <14F603CE-2702-4C51-97BC-133EF06B6274@gmail.com> <549A34DD.4010901@cox.net> Message-ID: <549ABD3C.3050806@cox.net> On 12/24/2014 4:26 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi John, > > Are you sure your external speaker is plugged in to the speaker jack and not > the rear headphone jack? > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > John McBee-2 wrote >> Problem still exist, however I have discovered that if I turn on spkr+ph >> to on, I have audio fine without headphones plugged in, but if I change >> it to spkr+ph to NO then the audio in speaker shuts off with no >> headphones plugged in. I have sprayed my phone connector plug with >> Eledtronic cleaner and put in phone jack and turned it and still no >> audio out speaker with phone plug out. When I turned on my K3 this >> evening before doing the test, I could not get any audio out speaker at >> all. Before it was hit and miss. So question again, cud it be phone >> plug on the K3 or firmware issue? Firmware agn is MCU 4.86. >> >> Thanks >> John > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-phone-plub-tp7596284p7596323.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jrmcbee at cox.net I don't have an external speaker plugged into the K3. I'm using the front headphone jack for the headphones only. John From stewart at gm4aff.net Wed Dec 24 08:30:31 2014 From: stewart at gm4aff.net (Stewart GM4AFF) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:30:31 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 transverter problem In-Reply-To: <54934777.6090809@embarqmail.com> References: <910BF7A8-7D6F-4D86-BB27-1DD71A92AD70@kb9kld.org> <54934777.6090809@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01d01f7d$cac55f10$60501d30$@gm4aff.net> I think this condition occurs because, in my case, I am running quite high power, and it occurs if I slip back to receive while still talking. That is, being a little too quick to return to receive. I had the problem with my previous XV144 too. I have carried out the Q7 0.1uF capacitor mod as recommended by Don and, after a little testing, the problem appears to have gone. I have also lost the strange output indication that I got when there was no 144MHz output for now, although I don't think that can be related. I expect, like all these things, it will return at a crucial moment in a contest when I'm trying to work a weak multiplier! Thanks Don and Season's Greetings! Stewart GM4AFF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: 18 December 2014 21:31 To: Jeff Uchitjil; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XV144 transverter problem Jeff, Your XV144 may be one of those that are susceptible to a false overload indication. It should not be possible to create an overload situation with 1 mW of drive, although it may be possible to create an overload indication if the XV144 is in receive and it senses an RF input. First check the jumper on the front panel board near the firmware IC. The jumper block should either be off or plugged onto only 1 pin. Most likely, it is a false overload indication caused by noise pickup on the front panel COR circuit. Remove the front panel metalwork (the board can stay connected to the RF board) and find Q7. Solder a 0.1uF capacitor between the collector and emitter of Q7. That bypasses the noise and prevents a false indication. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2014 2:12 PM, Jeff Uchitjil wrote: > I just completed my XV144 and everything seems to work with it it, except it seems to randomly trip a relay in it for a split second. Like it is trying to transmit. Occasionally this will result in the overload flashing lights and I have to turn everything off and reset it. The meter on my K2 briefly flashes to full scale when this happens. I have it hooked up with the KX60XV and KIO. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to stewart at gm4aff.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4253/8770 - Release Date: 12/19/14 From k1uo at tds.net Wed Dec 24 10:15:40 2014 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 Message-ID: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: > Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. Heard a > couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. Not. Keep those ideas coming :) 73, Wayne N6KR Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... From anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp Wed Dec 24 10:44:42 2014 From: anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp (=?utf-8?B?5Lit5p2R56uc5Lmf?=) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 00:44:42 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] v1.16 Bug?: Cursor in AM mode In-Reply-To: <5499B2CB.5000203@sonic.net> References: <1419328919764-7596296.post@n2.nabble.com> <5499B2CB.5000203@sonic.net> Message-ID: <7C1591C5-ED0E-4BF4-949C-DF0A4B3EE863@chorus.ocn.ne.jp> Hi Alan / N1AL and all > In AM mode, the bandwidth is mirrored about the carrier frequency. The bandwidth is not mirrored about the carrier freq displayed in PX3. In NORM setting(Low=0.0, Hi=3.0), the PX3 bandwidth is as follows(where C is center): _____==========C==========______ When I set Low to 0.5, the PX3 bandwidth is: ________=======C==========______ So, the PX3 bandwidth is not mirrored about the carrier freq. Expected bandwidth is: _____========__C__========______ Is this correct? 73, JE0LFI / Nakamura From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 11:00:51 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <549A43F0.5080808@foothill.net> References: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> <549A43F0.5080808@foothill.net> Message-ID: Another consideration for a KPA1000, would be the almost certain need for 220V power. Fine and dandy if it's already in the shack, but certainly an extra cost. Sure, you can run a 1KW room heater from 110V... so what if the line voltage sags to 100V on that circuit.. the heater will just deliver a bit less heat. Or my vacuum cleaner (which draws 12 A) works fine on about 110V. But, a linear amp will want to see a pretty stiff power supply to maintain linearity. 500 W is pretty much OK on household 110 V branch circuits. And, as others have pointed out... the whole amp with power supply fits into a K3 sized case. Pretty slick engineering, I say. But, I'm a QRP guys, so all this discussion is a theoretical item for me. :) 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 ARL sixty one From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 11:33:01 2014 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:33:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> Message-ID: <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) Merry Christmas N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry - K1UO Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: > Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. > Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. Not. Keep those ideas coming :) 73, Wayne N6KR Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From lists at subich.com Wed Dec 24 11:34:45 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:34:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: References: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> <549A43F0.5080808@foothill.net> Message-ID: <549AEB25.4040904@subich.com> > Sure, you can run a 1KW room heater from 110V... so what if the line > voltage sags to 100V on that circuit.. the heater will just deliver a > bit less heat. If the voltage sags to 100V you are likely to cause a serious fire. A 1 KW heater will draw roughly 10A ... 10A at 20 to 25V (the drop in the lines/outlet/etc.) represents 200 - 250W dissipated in a closed space behind your walls, typically close to combustible studs and drywall. If you see significant voltage drops on a circuit like that, you had better get it fixed promptly or hope your homeowners insurance and smoke detectors are both working 110%. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-24 11:00 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > Another consideration for a KPA1000, would be the almost certain need > for 220V power. Fine and dandy if it's already in the shack, but > certainly an extra cost. Sure, you can run a 1KW room heater from > 110V... so what if the line voltage sags to 100V on that circuit.. the > heater will just deliver a bit less heat. Or my vacuum cleaner (which > draws 12 A) works fine on about 110V. But, a linear amp will want to > see a pretty stiff power supply to maintain linearity. > > 500 W is pretty much OK on household 110 V branch circuits. And, as > others have pointed out... the whole amp with power supply fits into a > K3 sized case. Pretty slick engineering, I say. But, I'm a QRP guys, > so all this discussion is a theoretical item for me. :) > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > ARL sixty one > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From phystad at mac.com Wed Dec 24 12:14:32 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:14:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. > On Dec 24, 2014, at 8:33 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > > And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) > Merry Christmas > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry - K1UO > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 > > On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: > >> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. >> Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. > Not. Keep those ideas coming :) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed Dec 24 12:25:35 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:25:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> Message-ID: <549AF70F.9020006@elecraft.com> Must be a slow news day! Eric elecraft.com On 12/24/2014 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. > > >> On Dec 24, 2014, at 8:33 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: >> >> And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) >> Merry Christmas >> N2TK, Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry - K1UO >> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 >> >> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: >> >>> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. >>> Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. >> Not. Keep those ideas coming :) >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 24 12:28:20 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:28:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: References: <25F9A899-CCAF-48A2-82A6-626A9A579E12@dlaab.com> <549A43F0.5080808@foothill.net> Message-ID: <549AF7B4.5070705@socal.rr.com> The need for 220 VAC is a very good point, Ray. Operating from 110 VAC has always been a constraint for me, and likely for many of us. Of course, I'm less "serious" than some hams -- and since the mid 90s QRP has been a focus of mine. I sure do like having the KPA/KAT500 duo and the ability to kick it on line by simply pressing the Operate button. My last amp, an AL-811H, was far more work to use and got little use as a result. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/24/14 8:00 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > Another consideration for a KPA1000, would be > the almost certain need for 220V power. Fine > and dandy if it's already in the shack, but > certainly an extra cost. Sure, you can run a > 1KW room heater from 110V... so what if the line > voltage sags to 100V on that circuit.. the > heater will just deliver a bit less heat. Or my > vacuum cleaner (which draws 12 A) works fine on > about 110V. But, a linear amp will want to see > a pretty stiff power supply to maintain linearity. > > 500 W is pretty much OK on household 110 V > branch circuits. And, as others have pointed > out... the whole amp with power supply fits into > a K3 sized case. Pretty slick engineering, I > say. But, I'm a QRP guys, so all this > discussion is a theoretical item for me. :) > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > ARL sixty one From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 24 12:31:49 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:31:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> Message-ID: <549AF885.3030002@socal.rr.com> Hey, Phil -- sounds like you've already started on the eggnog :-) Merry Christmas! Phil W7OX On 12/24/14 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. > > >> On Dec 24, 2014, at 8:33 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: >> >> And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) >> Merry Christmas >> N2TK, Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry - K1UO >> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 >> >> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: >> >>> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. >>> Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. >> Not. Keep those ideas coming :) >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... From k9fd at flex.com Wed Dec 24 12:31:54 2014 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:31:54 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> Message-ID: <549AF88A.30009@flex.com> When I bought this property, it was a AM broadcast station, it had a couple Harris transmitters, one had 52 - 1 KW "amps" in it for 50KW worth of power, Floor to ceiling stacks of KPA500s would work, but I also had 600 amp 440 3 phase power lines. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. > > >> On Dec 24, 2014, at 8:33 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: >> >> And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) >> Merry Christmas >> N2TK, Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry - K1UO >> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 >> >> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: >> >>> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. >>> Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. >> Not. Keep those ideas coming :) >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 24 12:36:16 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:36:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/O-Mini + Remote Rig Configuration for Heil Headset In-Reply-To: <2869B71E-DF4C-4B2F-840C-834EF42A24BB@mac.com> References: <2869B71E-DF4C-4B2F-840C-834EF42A24BB@mac.com> Message-ID: <549AF990.7080701@embarqmail.com> Barry, I cannot comment on the RemoteRig setup because I do not have any experience with it. There are some statements that may require clarification - I think the Heil document is somewhat confusing. 1) For a dynamic microphone, turn bias off. 2) The K3 (and K3/0 and mini) can turn bias on or off - so it is not dependent on electret microphones such as the Elecraft MH2. The choice of bias or not is a user choice in the menu. 3) The Heil microphone elements are relatively low output. 4) The K3 microphone "L" or "H" selection determines the gain of the microphone preamp. "L" is low amplification, and "H" is higher amplification. With Heil microphones, you may have to use the "H" setting. 5) Try the "H" setting with bias off in the menu and see if you can get the required 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/24/2014 1:30 AM, Barry Baines wrote: > I am having difficulties getting my Heil ProSet with the HC-4/HC-5 mic cartridge to work with the K3/O-Mini + RemoteRig (purchased from Elecraft) where there is no audio reaching the K3 at the radio site. I?m told that the Heil mic cartridge is a dynamic element with no pre-amp gain. The mic connection for the K3 is set for the rear panel with no Bias and ?Low? Gain per the Heil documentation on their website (?All Things Elecraft?). The incoming audio (transmit) is fed from the Remote Rig-Remote front panel Aux/Mic using the supplied cable from Elecraft that connects to both the PTT In and Mic-Mono at the back of the K3. > > I?ve tried various configuration setups with the Control-RR to see if changing the audio level from the control site makes a difference, such as increasing the Codec inp gain, changing Codec Inp preamp to ?no? and varying the Audio Quality specified at both remote rig units. Using TX-Test, I then speak into the Mic and check for ALC and compression, varying the mic gain and compression. At no time do I see any measurement on the K3/O-Mini meters for ALC and compression. The ?monitor? capability is also not working as I can?t hear myself through the headset. > > I?m wondering if the Remote Rig system is setup for the Elecraft MH-2 mic which I understand does have amplification. If so, this may prevent a dynamic mic cartridge working properly with Remote Rig-Control. I?ve tried using the mic input on the side of the K3/O-mini as well as using the Kenwood adapter to utilize the 8-pin connector. I saw a note the other day from Mark, VA2MM which shows his setup for the Radio Side and Control Side; those settings didn?t work. I?ve tried the default settings specified in the ?K3-Remote Owner?s Manual? with no success. > > I have excellent audio quality coming from the K3 to the K3/O-Mini unit; the receiver audio sounds fine at the control site. I presume this means that there is a good audio connection between the two remote rigs. The radio site uses DSL with a low bandwidth (10 Mpbs Down/784 Kpbs Up) so if the receiver audio is good, I?m presuming that bandwidth wouldn?t be the problem on the transmit side as it would be on the higher capacity downlink to the DSL site. > > Any suggestions on what to check either in the K3 configuration or the Remote Rig setup at either the control site or the remote site? Given that the connection is through the internet, are there any router or other considerations that I should check? At the Remote (radio) site, I?m using the default UDP/TCP configurations for RRIG_cmd, RRIG_audio, and RRIG_sip with port forwarding to the Remote Rig-Radio. I do have the ability to access the Remote Rig-Remote from the control site so that I can make configuration changes at both ends and restart both Remote Rig devices. Consequently, I can update both Remote Rig boxes (control and remote) as needed. > > I should also note that the last time I was at the remote site, I was able to test the system at the station itself and push audio from the K3/O-Mini to the K3 via the Local Area Network when the K3/O-mini was next to the K3 on the same LAN. When I got back to the ?control site? , I had no transmit audio at al to the K3.. That may suggest an internet issue, but at this point I have no real handle on the source of the problem. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas, > > Barry Baines, WD4ASW > Westborough, MA (Control Site) > Folkston, GA (Remote Site) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From phystad at mac.com Wed Dec 24 12:38:59 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:38:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <549AF885.3030002@socal.rr.com> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> <549AF885.3030002@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: No, I really hate eggnog. But, I think I have had one too many cups of coffee this morning. Plus, spending time to derive the Dirac Equation just for the fun of it. Thus, thinking in terms of infinite dimensional Hilbert Spaces and convergence. Thus, the total output power possible of N KPA500s taken to the limit as N increases to near infinity. > On Dec 24, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Hey, Phil -- sounds like you've already started on the eggnog :-) > > Merry Christmas! > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/24/14 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. >> >> >>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 8:33 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: >>> >>> And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) >>> Merry Christmas >>> N2TK, Tony >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry - K1UO >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: >>> >>>> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. >>>> Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. >>> Not. Keep those ideas coming :) >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From htodd at twofifty.com Wed Dec 24 12:39:44 2014 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:39:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/O-Mini + Remote Rig Configuration for Heil Headset In-Reply-To: <549AF990.7080701@embarqmail.com> References: <2869B71E-DF4C-4B2F-840C-834EF42A24BB@mac.com> <549AF990.7080701@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I replied directly to Barry, but I'm fairly certain the Heil element is NOT dynamic and needs bias. There's a jumper AND the menu setting. I forget what the defaults are because I played with both to get this exact setup to work. On Wed, 24 Dec 2014, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Barry, > > I cannot comment on the RemoteRig setup because I do not have any > experience with it. > > There are some statements that may require clarification - I think the > Heil document is somewhat confusing. > 1) For a dynamic microphone, turn bias off. > 2) The K3 (and K3/0 and mini) can turn bias on or off - so it is not > dependent on electret microphones such as the Elecraft MH2. The choice > of bias or not is a user choice in the menu. > 3) The Heil microphone elements are relatively low output. > 4) The K3 microphone "L" or "H" selection determines the gain of the > microphone preamp. "L" is low amplification, and "H" is higher > amplification. With Heil microphones, you may have to use the "H" setting. > 5) Try the "H" setting with bias off in the menu and see if you can get > the required 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/24/2014 1:30 AM, Barry Baines wrote: >> I am having difficulties getting my Heil ProSet with the HC-4/HC-5 mic > cartridge to work with the K3/O-Mini + RemoteRig (purchased from Elecraft) > where there is no audio reaching the K3 at the radio site. I?m told that the > Heil mic cartridge is a dynamic element with no pre-amp gain. The mic > connection for the K3 is set for the rear panel with no Bias and ?Low? Gain > per the Heil documentation on their website (?All Things Elecraft?). The > incoming audio (transmit) is fed from the Remote Rig-Remote front panel > Aux/Mic using the supplied cable from Elecraft that connects to both the PTT > In and Mic-Mono at the back of the K3. >> >> I?ve tried various configuration setups with the Control-RR to see if > changing the audio level from the control site makes a difference, such as > increasing the Codec inp gain, changing Codec Inp preamp to ?no? and varying > the Audio Quality specified at both remote rig units. Using TX-Test, I then > speak into the Mic and check for ALC and compression, varying the mic gain > and compression. At no time do I see any measurement on the K3/O-Mini meters > for ALC and compression. The ?monitor? capability is also not working as I > can?t hear myself through the headset. >> >> I?m wondering if the Remote Rig system is setup for the Elecraft MH-2 mic > which I understand does have amplification. If so, this may prevent a > dynamic mic cartridge working properly with Remote Rig-Control. I?ve tried > using the mic input on the side of the K3/O-mini as well as using the Kenwood > adapter to utilize the 8-pin connector. I saw a note the other day from > Mark, VA2MM which shows his setup for the Radio Side and Control Side; those > settings didn?t work. I?ve tried the default settings specified in the > ?K3-Remote Owner?s Manual? with no success. >> >> I have excellent audio quality coming from the K3 to the K3/O-Mini unit; > the receiver audio sounds fine at the control site. I presume this means that > there is a good audio connection between the two remote rigs. The radio site > uses DSL with a low bandwidth (10 Mpbs Down/784 Kpbs Up) so if the receiver > audio is good, I?m presuming that bandwidth wouldn?t be the problem on the > transmit side as it would be on the higher capacity downlink to the DSL site. >> >> Any suggestions on what to check either in the K3 configuration or the > Remote Rig setup at either the control site or the remote site? Given that > the connection is through the internet, are there any router or other > considerations that I should check? At the Remote (radio) site, I?m using > the default UDP/TCP configurations for RRIG_cmd, RRIG_audio, and RRIG_sip > with port forwarding to the Remote Rig-Radio. I do have the ability to > access the Remote Rig-Remote from the control site so that I can make > configuration changes at both ends and restart both Remote Rig devices. > Consequently, I can update both Remote Rig boxes (control and remote) as > needed. >> >> I should also note that the last time I was at the remote site, I was able > to test the system at the station itself and push audio from the K3/O-Mini > to the K3 via the Local Area Network when the K3/O-mini was next to the K3 on > the same LAN. When I got back to the ?control site? , I had no transmit > audio at al to the K3.. That may suggest an internet issue, but at this > point I have no real handle on the source of the problem. >> >> Thanks and Merry Christmas, >> >> Barry Baines, WD4ASW >> Westborough, MA (Control Site) >> Folkston, GA (Remote Site) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 24 12:37:01 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 phone plug In-Reply-To: <54996E4D.8050604@nycap.rr.com> References: <54996E4D.8050604@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1912176295.661786.1419442621747.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100154.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I ran into this years ago it turned out to be the Plug and not the jack. a simple fix is to wrap a piece of fine sandpaper (600+ grit) and wrap it around the plug and twist. Some plugs seem to have a slight film on them ant this removes it From: W2BLC To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 phone plug I had that problem early on and figured it was a film of some kind on the innards of the jack - had to wiggle the plug to get it to work. So........ I used some of that high dollar contact cleaner on the plug and then while it was still dripping wet, plugged it in and twisted it around for a few seconds. That fixed the problem. Your mileage may vary! Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From byron at n6nul.org Wed Dec 24 13:02:30 2014 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron N6NUL) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:02:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <549AF70F.9020006@elecraft.com> References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> <549AF70F.9020006@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Or some really good eggnog is being passed around ;) 73, Byron N6NUL > On Dec 24, 2014, at 09:25, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Must be a slow news day! > > Eric > elecraft.com > >> On 12/24/2014 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Dec 24 13:14:07 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 Message-ID: Maybe just some good scotch. ...why ruin it with eggnog Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From: Byron N6NUL
Date:12/24/2014 1:02 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft"
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000
Or some really good eggnog is being passed around ;) 73, Byron N6NUL > On Dec 24, 2014, at 09:25, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Must be a slow news day! > > Eric > elecraft.com > >> On 12/24/2014 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 13:24:40 2014 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:24:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net> <5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> <549AF70F.9020006@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <010301d01fa6$e206c0f0$a61442d0$@verizon.net> Me thinkst those are not sugar plums dancing around in our heads. Time to work on wrapping presents and play family guy (pun intended). Everyone have a Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Byron N6NUL [mailto:byron at n6nul.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:03 PM To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Cc: Phil Hystad; N2TK, Tony; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 Or some really good eggnog is being passed around ;) 73, Byron N6NUL > On Dec 24, 2014, at 09:25, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Must be a slow news day! > > Eric > elecraft.com > >> On 12/24/2014 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Dec 24 13:26:19 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:26:19 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KPA1000 Message-ID: <201412241826.sBOIQK7u037655@ingra.acsalaska.net> From: "Larry - K1UO" Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... ------ Does this "really" exist from Elecraft? Sound's like wishful thinking. Of course one make both input divider and output combiner. ~KL7UW ------ From: Ray Sills Another consideration for a KPA1000, would be the almost certain need for 220V power. ------ Why is this a problem? Just run down to Home Depot or Lowe's and buy some No.8-3 cable and run your own 220v line. They have the needed twist-lock 25A or 30A receptacles, plugs, and utility boxes. I tied my 35-foot 240vac extension from the main breaker box at the main entrance buss and used a 60A service box for installing 20A-230v breaker and two 20A-115v breakers to have some stiff power for other PS in the shack. If you are worried about regulations find a local electrician that will sign-off on your work - that is what I did. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 24 13:39:58 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:39:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line Message-ID: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> Installing a 240V outlet is not a big deal unless the construction of your home makes it difficult to run the cable. Barring that, a competent electrician should be able to do that in a half day; a difficult run could double the work. All that is required is a pair plus a Green wire. If you also want 120V outlets from the same circuit, you'll need another conductor for the neutral. A single 20A 120/240V circuit will run all the ham gear in most stations, even for SO2R. If you're smart, you'll use #10 copper, 20A outlets, and a 20A breaker. While #10 is rated for 30A, our stations don't need 30A, but the bigger copper will reduce the voltage drop. There are MAJOR advantages to running all the gear in our stations from outlets that share the same Green wire, or outlets whose Green wires are bonded together. See http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Wed Dec 24 13:49:53 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:49:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Holiday Schedule (Closing today at 12 noon PST, 2000 UTC) Message-ID: <549B0AD1.9000800@elecraft.com> HTML clipboard Elecraft's Offices will close today, Wed., Dec 24th, at 12 noon PST (2000 UTC) for the Holidays. We will also be closed this Thursday and Friday, Dec. 25-26, and we will return to work on Monday Dec 29th. Our Secure Web Order Form will still be active during the holiday. Please be patient with us when we return to work on Monday, 12/29, as we will be replying to our holiday and weekend backlog of emails and phone messages (and orders too!). From everyone here at Elecraft, thank you for another GREAT year, and wishing everyone a wonderful holiday and super next year. 73, Eric, Wayne and the rest of the crew at Elecraft --- elecraft.com From don at w3fpr.com Wed Dec 24 13:58:01 2014 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/O-Mini + Remote Rig Configuration for Heil Headset In-Reply-To: References: <2869B71E-DF4C-4B2F-840C-834EF42A24BB@mac.com> <549AF990.7080701@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <549B0CB9.4040208@w3fpr.com> Barry specifically said HC4/HC5 elements, and those are definitely dynamic elements. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/24/2014 12:39 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > I replied directly to Barry, but I'm fairly certain the Heil element is > NOT dynamic and needs bias. > > There's a jumper AND the menu setting. I forget what the defaults are > because I played with both to get this exact setup to work. > > On Wed, 24 Dec 2014, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Barry, >> >> I cannot comment on the RemoteRig setup because I do not have any >> experience with it. >> >> There are some statements that may require clarification - I think >> the Heil document is somewhat confusing. >> 1) For a dynamic microphone, turn bias off. >> 2) The K3 (and K3/0 and mini) can turn bias on or off - so it is not >> dependent on electret microphones such as the Elecraft MH2. The >> choice of bias or not is a user choice in the menu. >> 3) The Heil microphone elements are relatively low output. >> 4) The K3 microphone "L" or "H" selection determines the gain of the >> microphone preamp. "L" is low amplification, and "H" is higher >> amplification. With Heil microphones, you may have to use the "H" >> setting. >> 5) Try the "H" setting with bias off in the menu and see if you can >> get the required 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 12/24/2014 1:30 AM, Barry Baines wrote: >>> I am having difficulties getting my Heil ProSet with the HC-4/HC-5 mic >> From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Dec 24 14:02:44 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 19:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1696487112.1137612.1419447764160.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106112.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>>> Or some really good eggnog is being passed around ;) <<< Hey Bryon, don't be selfish. Who is it that got the Really Good EGGNOG passing around?!!! ((((73)))) Milverton. From: Byron N6NUL To: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 Or some really good eggnog is being passed around ;) 73, Byron N6NUL > On Dec 24, 2014, at 09:25, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Must be a slow news day! > > Eric > elecraft.com > >> On 12/24/2014 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters.? Or, maybe 16 or 32 KPA500s. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Dec 24 14:13:07 2014 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:13:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <549B1043.9010804@kanafi.org> On 12/24/2014 10:39 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Installing a 240V outlet is not a big deal unless the construction of > your home makes it difficult to run the cable. Barring that, a competent > electrician should be able to do that in a half day; a difficult run > could double the work. All that is required is a pair plus a Green wire. > If you also want 120V outlets from the same circuit, you'll need another > conductor for the neutral. IIRC the latest code update now requires the separate neutral ("white wire") to be run in all 240V circuits. I did that in a 1969 when I finished the basement in a year-old home! 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From pincon at erols.com Wed Dec 24 14:31:24 2014 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:31:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1000 References: <6B963F55628448FEA68EE2F8AA2F5EAF@DenComputer> <00ef01d01f97$49dc1ff0$dd945fd0$@verizon.net><5DCA33E9-5A91-4725-A357-A92034F04C50@mac.com> <549AF70F.9020006@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <891E27BC2BE0450B82A4305A3C29CBF8@pinnacle05df05> Put them in an enclosed (fan cooled) box with a 6AQ5 mounted on top. And I have YET to have my afternoon egg nog ( Turkey Hill w/ Jack Daniels). OOOHHHH Yeah. 73 es 58 Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" To: "Phil Hystad" ; "N2TK, Tony" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 > Must be a slow news day! > > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 12/24/2014 9:14 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think a good hamfest Elecraft demo would be 8 KPA500s combined together >> with multiple (and some big) combiners/splitters. Or, maybe 16 or 32 >> KPA500s. >> >> >>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 8:33 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: >>> >>> And Larry, will the combiner handle two or three KPA500's? :-) >>> Merry Christmas >>> N2TK, Tony >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Larry - K1UO >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:16 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1000 >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:15 PM, KG5EJU wrote: >>> >>>> Very new to Elecraft, just own a W2, but looking long at the KPA500. >>>> Heard a couple rumors that a 1000 Watt unit was coming?. >>> Not. Keep those ideas coming :) >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> Just buy their new kpa ?COMBINER? and add a second KPA500 and you got >>> your KPA1000! Merry Christmas I say... >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 14:59:03 2014 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KPA1000 In-Reply-To: <201412241826.sBOIQK7u037655@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412241826.sBOIQK7u037655@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > ----- > Why is this a problem? Just run down to Home Depot or Lowe's and > buy some No.8-3 cable and run your own 220v line. They have the > needed twist-lock 25A or 30A receptacles, plugs, and utility boxes. > I tied my 35-foot 240vac extension from the main breaker box at the > main entrance buss and used a 60A service box for installing > 20A-230v breaker and two 20A-115v breakers to have some stiff power > for other PS in the shack. > > If you are worried about regulations find a local electrician that > will sign-off on your work - that is what I did. Getting the hardware is easy part. Installing it is the hard part... depending a particular QTH.. shack location, etc. Some municipalities may require a permit, and inspection by the proper municipal inspector. And, some homeowner associations may have rules that require the use of a licensed electrician, particularly in condo and townhouse communities, where your "unit" is sharing a wall with other owners. And, that may not be a bad idea, because there are quite a few people who simply don't know what they are doing with electrical wiring. It won't be an issue for me, of course, since I'm a QRP operator. And besides that, I don't do wiring or plumbing any more. I'd rather pay a professional. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 ARL sixty one From n4ua.va at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 15:49:20 2014 From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:49:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <549B1043.9010804@kanafi.org> References: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> <549B1043.9010804@kanafi.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > On 12/24/2014 10:39 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > > Installing a 240V outlet is not a big deal unless the construction of > > your home makes it difficult to run the cable. Barring that, a competent > > electrician should be able to do that in a half day; a difficult run > > could double the work. All that is required is a pair plus a Green wire. > > If you also want 120V outlets from the same circuit, you'll need another > > conductor for the neutral. > > IIRC the latest code update now requires the separate neutral ("white > wire") to be run in all 240V circuits. I did that in a 1969 when I > finished the basement in a year-old home! > Even if that is true,and I suspect "all" is a mis-statement, that doesn't automatically mean that YOUR Authority Having Jurisdiction has adopted the latest code (or the previous one or the one before that). Things move slowly in some places. 73, geo - n4ua > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4ua.va at gmail.com > From bbaines at mac.com Wed Dec 24 16:44:48 2014 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:44:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/O-Mini + Remote Rig Configuration for Heil Headset In-Reply-To: <549B0CB9.4040208@w3fpr.com> References: <2869B71E-DF4C-4B2F-840C-834EF42A24BB@mac.com> <549AF990.7080701@embarqmail.com> <549B0CB9.4040208@w3fpr.com> Message-ID: <2D18ADC6-3F67-4F09-BDFC-1ECB366742BD@mac.com> Don: I just removed the mic cover from the Heil Proset and can confirm that the mic cartridge is labeled HC-4. Merry Christmas to All, Barry, WD4ASW > On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Barry specifically said HC4/HC5 elements, and those are definitely dynamic elements. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/24/2014 12:39 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: >> I replied directly to Barry, but I'm fairly certain the Heil element is >> NOT dynamic and needs bias. >> >> There's a jumper AND the menu setting. I forget what the defaults are >> because I played with both to get this exact setup to work. >> >> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >>> Barry, >>> >>> I cannot comment on the RemoteRig setup because I do not have any experience with it. >>> >>> There are some statements that may require clarification - I think the Heil document is somewhat confusing. >>> 1) For a dynamic microphone, turn bias off. >>> 2) The K3 (and K3/0 and mini) can turn bias on or off - so it is not dependent on electret microphones such as the Elecraft MH2. The choice of bias or not is a user choice in the menu. >>> 3) The Heil microphone elements are relatively low output. >>> 4) The K3 microphone "L" or "H" selection determines the gain of the microphone preamp. "L" is low amplification, and "H" is higher amplification. With Heil microphones, you may have to use the "H" setting. >>> 5) Try the "H" setting with bias off in the menu and see if you can get the required 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 12/24/2014 1:30 AM, Barry Baines wrote: >>>> I am having difficulties getting my Heil ProSet with the HC-4/HC-5 mic >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 24 16:50:09 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:50:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <76FCBECFDCBE4A09B4A43D73594E58EE@pinnacle05df05> References: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> <76FCBECFDCBE4A09B4A43D73594E58EE@pinnacle05df05> Message-ID: <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/24/2014 11:41 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > A lot of the older amps (Thunderbolt for example) had 120 V fans wired > from one hot to ground. I always wondered about that. I think that used to be legal, but it is no longer, and it's very bad practice. The better ones (Ten Tec Titan, for example) run a 120V fan between one side of the power transfomer primary and the center tap. It is now illegal for the Green wire to carry load current. On Wed,12/24/2014 11:13 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > IIRC the latest code update now requires the separate neutral ("white > wire") to be run in all 240V circuits. I did that in a 1969 when I > finished the basement in a year-old home! You may be confusing a 120/240 outlet that has a four circuit plug (phase, phase, neutral, and Green) and can serve both 120V and 240V loads, with a 240V outlet that has a three circuit plug and serves only 240V loads. There is no neutral in a 240V outlet, and as noted above, it is illegal to connect a 120V load between one phase and the Green wire (Equipment Ground). That 120/240 circuit can feed both 120V and 240V outlets. A neutral IS required to feed those 120V outlets. 73, Jim K9YC From n1al at sonic.net Wed Dec 24 17:32:11 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:32:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> <76FCBECFDCBE4A09B4A43D73594E58EE@pinnacle05df05> <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <549B3EEB.5050605@sonic.net> Electric ranges used to have a 110 VAC outlet in which the ground and neutral were wired together. (The 220V plug had only three prongs.) I always wondered how they got away with that. Alan N1AL On 12/24/2014 01:50 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,12/24/2014 11:41 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> A lot of the older amps (Thunderbolt for example) had 120 V fans >> wired from one hot to ground. I always wondered about that. > > I think that used to be legal, but it is no longer, and it's very bad > practice. > > The better ones (Ten Tec Titan, for example) run a 120V fan between > one side of the power transfomer primary and the center tap. It is now > illegal for the Green wire to carry load current. > > On Wed,12/24/2014 11:13 AM, Phil Kane wrote: >> IIRC the latest code update now requires the separate neutral ("white >> wire") to be run in all 240V circuits. I did that in a 1969 when I >> finished the basement in a year-old home! > > You may be confusing a 120/240 outlet that has a four circuit plug > (phase, phase, neutral, and Green) and can serve both 120V and 240V > loads, with a 240V outlet that has a three circuit plug and serves > only 240V loads. There is no neutral in a 240V outlet, and as noted > above, it is illegal to connect a 120V load between one phase and the > Green wire (Equipment Ground). That 120/240 circuit can feed both > 120V and 240V outlets. A neutral IS required to feed those 120V outlets. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From john.turgoose at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 17:46:28 2014 From: john.turgoose at gmail.com (VE3NFK) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:46:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1419461188125-7596360.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jim Thanks for the information - possibly you might suggest what the end user might do to fix the KX3 pin 1 problems on the other connectors? thanks and Merry Christmas 73 John VE3NFK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-IQ-out-and-spectral-display-pograms-tp7596187p7596360.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fptownsend at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 17:54:52 2014 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:54:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> <76FCBECFDCBE4A09B4A43D73594E58EE@pinnacle05df05> <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <005b01d01fcc$a118a240$e349e6c0$@earthlink.net> It has been awhile since I have worked with the NEC but things haven't changed that much for single phase. It has never been allowed for the green/yellow lead to carry load current. Green and neutral must be the same size as the current carrier even on a 240 circuit. Green and neutral may not be circuit breakered. A 240 circuit may only be split (down to 120) at a panel or sub panel and then each circuit must have its own circuit breaker. 120 volt circuits must have special plugs and sockets if breakered for at more than 20 Amp. Panels or sub panels may not be placed in closets or closely enclosed areas. (This is to avoid heat buildup.) Some areas are requiring arc detecting or GFI interrupters on upgrades. If you install them (generally a good idea) then place GFI/ARC type circuit breakers at the panel. Do not place at load where RFI is likely to false trip. As warned local requirements may vary but this is sort of baseline stuff. Nobody will fault you if you follow. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:50 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 240V Line On Wed,12/24/2014 11:41 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > A lot of the older amps (Thunderbolt for example) had 120 V fans wired > from one hot to ground. I always wondered about that. I think that used to be legal, but it is no longer, and it's very bad practice. The better ones (Ten Tec Titan, for example) run a 120V fan between one side of the power transfomer primary and the center tap. It is now illegal for the Green wire to carry load current. On Wed,12/24/2014 11:13 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > IIRC the latest code update now requires the separate neutral ("white > wire") to be run in all 240V circuits. I did that in a 1969 when I > finished the basement in a year-old home! You may be confusing a 120/240 outlet that has a four circuit plug (phase, phase, neutral, and Green) and can serve both 120V and 240V loads, with a 240V outlet that has a three circuit plug and serves only 240V loads. There is no neutral in a 240V outlet, and as noted above, it is illegal to connect a 120V load between one phase and the Green wire (Equipment Ground). That 120/240 circuit can feed both 120V and 240V outlets. A neutral IS required to feed those 120V outlets. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8801 - Release Date: 12/24/14 From beford at myfairpoint.net Wed Dec 24 18:32:59 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:32:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Holiday Schedule (Closing today at 12 noon PST, Message-ID: <7A70162BB0A24D5F972F1749B5401AB2@HPE250f> Happy Holidays to all the elves at Elvecraft! 8-) Bruce N1RX From phils at riousa.com Wed Dec 24 20:07:16 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:07:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net results for 12/14/2014 In-Reply-To: <6B250D66-6B6A-43DB-94F9-0E71820B0812@riousa.com> References: <7C11474B-D99D-4EDE-8054-AF4D03DE1DE1@riousa.com> <0373FB1F-7227-45CD-90D6-A58233268644@riousa.com> <0F2EFBC9-807B-4076-BEA7-0D1E0EFA932E@riousa.com> <3440EB84-AAB2-4074-BA30-D518495E8C15@riousa.com> <4E04B3B5-2103-4F1B-9A4B-F5BCF9E324BF@riousa.com> <1027B2D2-BFDF-425E-B36A-68ECB20F97AF@riousa.com> <024F45C3-0B0E-4236-A269-BE0309474B54@riousa.com> <1A408DE9-0AEC-47C8-A591-E7B02DFDBAEC@riousa.com> <0AEF6092-2A7F-477E-B6CB-C0A6255B298B@riousa.com> <9CE1E9D7-6CE3-4248-BD5A-2D75F68B6492@riousa.com> <233D3512-FD5D-467D-A0C2-664C20ED7F73@riousa.com> <3025C073-0A99-49D1-B607-A00D07F41FF 6@riousa.com> <2FE7E6A5-5A67-40E1-BF2E-7AE2F180C901@riousa.com> <68ABD13D-C7BB-4DEE-8C86-99E332FDC8AD@riousa.com> <8B986CD3-8481-4C04-A0AD-DE30D5E6A03B@riousa.com> <58C5E613-F4D3-44B1-86D0-5984520EE834@riousa.com> <153371D3-9186-4D37-8172-12FB6332149E@riousa.com> <956DB383-ADED-42F6-874E-08CAC75684B1@riousa.com> <6B250D66-6B6A-43DB-94F9-0E71820B0812@riousa.com> Message-ID: <0409060D-4A74-4E9B-AD38-9F8CE6E200B3@riousa.com> Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net from December 14, 2014. We had 28 participants. Station Name QTH Rig S/N NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 KF5YBE Lee TX K3 7771 NZ0T Bill KS K3 1502 K5ZCJ Larry OK K3 6592 KC9LIF Kent IL K2 6896 QRP AB7CE Roy MT K2 40 QRP WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 KE7FSD Al AZ K3 8532 W0SGM Scott IA KX3 3689 QRP N7GOD Galen ID K2 6533 QRP KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 W8OV Dave TX K3 3139 W0CZ Ken ND K3 457 W0MEU Jay CO KX3 4351 AA7F Arlen WA K3 8115 WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 N3RM Randy PA K3 4519 NJ6L Neil WA K3 4601 NY9H Phil PA KX3 244 AA3CS Chuck MD K3 4407 QRP WW6L Jeff CA KX3 1629 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From tk at nk4i.com Wed Dec 24 20:46:35 2014 From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:46:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA In-Reply-To: <538CBAB3.4090703@gmail.com> References: <538CBAB3.4090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <549B6C7B.6010303@nk4i.com> Bump on this. Just checked and p3s0116 is still the most recent release for the P3 SVGA. Tighe NK4I On 6/2/14 1:56 PM, Sam Morgan wrote: > SVGA Latest Production Release (MCU 1.16) February 27, 2013 > > any chance of the beta's being released to the masses? > I know p3s0119 already addresses the waterfall markers. > > referenced to: > > On 5/30/2014 8:26 PM, Tighe Kuykendall wrote: > > Looked in the manuals and on my P3 but can't find this. Is there an > > equivalent feature on the P3 SVGA option to get a marker line extending > > down into the waterfall? > > > > Tighe > > NK4I > > and > > On 5/31/2014 11:49 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote: > > Any advancements on getting the NB on SVGA card? > > > > Keith > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 24 21:15:16 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:15:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 IQ out and spectral display pograms In-Reply-To: <1419461188125-7596360.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD30890F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <54961AF7.5000206@sonic.net> <54964022.7000406@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1419461188125-7596360.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <549B7334.2060400@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/24/2014 2:46 PM, VE3NFK wrote: > Hi Jim > > Thanks for the information - possibly you might suggest what the end user > might do to fix the KX3 pin 1 problems on the other connectors? There's probably not an easy way to fix it -- it's established by how the radio is built, and changing would be major surgery. These are things that Elecraft has to fix. What we CAN do is "put band-aids" on the problem. Several basic measures. 1) Bond chassis-to-chassis of all interconnected equipment, bond from that equipment to all grounds, and carefully bond all grounds together. 2) Place ferrite common mode chokes on cables plugged into connectors with Pin One Problems, tuning the chokes to the frequencies where interference is a concern. Follow guidelines in k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf 3) Keep cables plugged into connectors with Pin One Problems as short as practical. 73, Jim K9YC From w6jhb at me.com Thu Dec 25 00:22:31 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:22:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Strange Operation Message-ID: <4AC16963-3253-45A9-93B9-75DE93636D89@me.com> First, let me wish all a very Merry Christmas! OK, now the problem. I have a KX3 and the full K-line: K3, P3, KPA500, and KAT500. I have a two position coax switch that I use to drive the amp with either the K3 or the KX3. When using the K3 (P3 powered off) all works perfectly. I can change bands by pressing the appropriate band button on the amp or changing bands on the K3. Doing either results in the amp display changing to the associated band. But.... If I have the KX3 turned on and the K3 off, pressing a band button on the amp has no effect. The only way to change bands on the amp is to set the KX3 to the desired band and then tickle the amp with a little shot of RF. Now, the bad news. It does not do this all the time. Not 100% certain, but it seems to act like this if the amp has been powered off for a few hours. Just a couple minutes ago I was doing some sleuthing on this issue. After having the K3 online and sending RF, I tested this out and the amp subsequently behaved as it should after a K3 shutdown and KX3 startup. The amp changed bands with its own buttons or via RF from the KX3. Hmmm... Very strange. Anyone (K6KR?) able to shed light on this unusual behavior? Not a gigantic big deal, but it does make me wonder what's going on. 73, Jim Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 01:13:53 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 23:13:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Our Christmas gift Message-ID: This message may be a duplicate for some of you as it's being sent using several of our mailing lists. Most of you are aware that Rose has been treated for uterine cancer for the last seven months. This has included both chemotherapy and internal vaginal radiation. What makes this an especially nice Christmas is that all her treatments were completed this week, ending what has been the most difficult period in the nearly sixty years we've been married. The oncologists continue to tell us she's "cancer free" but aren't making any predictions about when she'll be back to normal, other than to say it will be "several months". Her hair is starting to grow back and is about a half an inch long and dark grey. They say it will return to her normal color in a few weeks. She has several hats and caps ... they're actually stylish and cute. (:-)) We don't know future details yet ... the next meeting will be on January 14th for follow-up checks, CT scan, etc. She'll be monitored for five years. Her attitude through all this has been really positive. She's shown her strength and I'm very proud of her. The staff at the Community Cancer Center in Missoula has been wonderful. We're very fortunate and hope your family's Christmas is as happy as ours. Ken and Rose From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Dec 25 01:17:35 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Strange Operation In-Reply-To: <4AC16963-3253-45A9-93B9-75DE93636D89@me.com> References: <4AC16963-3253-45A9-93B9-75DE93636D89@me.com> Message-ID: The KPA500 is my work, so I?ll try to answer? See discussion below. > On Dec 24, 2014, at 9:22 PM, James Bennett wrote: > > First, let me wish all a very Merry Christmas! And from the W6FB family as well! > OK, now the problem. I have a KX3 and the full K-line: K3, P3, KPA500, and KAT500. I have a two position coax switch that I use to drive the amp with either the K3 or the KX3. When using the K3 (P3 powered off) all works perfectly. I can change bands by pressing the appropriate band button on the amp or changing bands on the K3. Doing either results in the amp display changing to the associated band. When the KPA500 is set for RADIO = K3 and the K3 is on, this is the correct behavior. Pressing a band button sends the button info to the K3 using the Auxbus serial communications. The K3 responds by changing bands, then the KPA responds to the BAND lines change by changing bands itself. Note that the button push on the KPA only causes a command to be sent to the radio, it does not directly cause a band change in the KPA500. The behavior is different for all other RADIO settings. In those cases pushing a band button causes the KPA to change bands. The next thing to realize is that when RF is sensed by the KPA, it will change to the frequency counted band, even if other methods have told it to go to a different band. Of course if the counted band is the same as the previous band change, there will be no further change. Hopefully this is a lot clearer than mud? Also note that powering on or off the P3 has no effect on the KPA500. The K3 must be powered on for the KPA500 integration to work, and must be powered off completely for the KPA500 to mostly ignore it (see BAND discussion below). > But.... If I have the KX3 turned on and the K3 off, pressing a band button on the amp has no effect. This behaves exactly as described above. The KX3 does not have Auxbus, so it will not receive the button command from the KPA500 and thus nothing will result. > The only way to change bands on the amp is to set the KX3 to the desired band and then tickle the amp with a little shot of RF. As expected. Note that the K3 better be completely off when this happens, or _it_ will respond to the button press, change bands, and cause the KPA to do something. Also note that the K3 has pull-up resistors on its BAND lines, causing the signals to be pulled to the +5V rail when they are not being driven low. A short time after the K3 is powered off, the +5V rail will drop to 0V. The pull-ups will continue to do their job, pulling the lines to 0, which tells the KPA to change to 60 meters. > Now, the bad news. It does not do this all the time. Not 100% certain, but it seems to act like this if the amp has been powered off for a few hours. Just a couple minutes ago I was doing some sleuthing on this issue. After having the K3 online and sending RF, I tested this out and the amp subsequently behaved as it should after a K3 shutdown and KX3 startup. The amp changed bands with its own buttons or via RF from the KX3. Hmmm? Exactly how do you have the K3 and KX3 connected to the KPA500? The K3 loads the BAND lines at all times (and some other AUX signals), even when it is powered off. A change in the BAND lines is required to cause the KPA500 to change bands - if they remain stable then no band change will result. This means that after the K3 powers off and the +5V rail goes to zero, there should be just one band change (when the lines drop). After that any band changes will be due to RF. Do you have some other connection to the BAND lines besides those from the K3? By far, the best way to connect two radios to the KPA500 is to use a switch that disconnects the AUX cable from the K3 before attaching AUX signals to the other radio. Many have noted that you can generally get away with keeping the K3 connected to the KPA500, but results cannot be guaranteed. You might want to change the RADIO settings to something else (try SERIAL) when using the KX3 - with no band change reports coming in the KPA will rely solely on the RF sensing. But, give me a complete description of the setup and I?ll be able to better analyze the situation. Also, what version firmware is in the KPA500? The latest is V1.38, which is very highly recommended. The K3/KPA500 integration code did see several changes in the 1.30 - 1.38 time frame. > Very strange. Anyone (K6KR?) able to shed light on this unusual behavior? Not a gigantic big deal, but it does make me wonder what's going on. Dick did a great job with the KXPA and KAT500, while the KPA500 is mine. So many developers, so little time... 73! Jack B, W6FB > > 73, Jim > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From w6jhb at me.com Thu Dec 25 01:39:43 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:39:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Strange Operation In-Reply-To: References: <4AC16963-3253-45A9-93B9-75DE93636D89@me.com> Message-ID: Jack - good evening (or maybe good morning!). Great info and thanks for the quick response. I have my setup exactly as in Fred Cady's KX3 book, towards the end of the book. He has a great diagram showing how to run a KPA500 from a K3 or KX3. Do you have his book? If not I'll respond and tell you what I've got. Also, yes - I have current f/w levels on all my equipment. And your other item, yep - I'm always careful to have the "other" radio completely powered off before doing anything with either. 73 - time for Santa to start hauling presents from the attic to the Christmas tree - the two boys are finally asleep in their rooms! Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Dec 24, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > The KPA500 is my work, so I?ll try to answer? > See discussion below. > >> On Dec 24, 2014, at 9:22 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> >> First, let me wish all a very Merry Christmas! > > And from the W6FB family as well! > >> OK, now the problem. I have a KX3 and the full K-line: K3, P3, KPA500, and KAT500. I have a two position coax switch that I use to drive the amp with either the K3 or the KX3. When using the K3 (P3 powered off) all works perfectly. I can change bands by pressing the appropriate band button on the amp or changing bands on the K3. Doing either results in the amp display changing to the associated band. > > When the KPA500 is set for RADIO = K3 and the K3 is on, this is the correct behavior. Pressing a band button sends the button info to the K3 using the Auxbus serial communications. The K3 responds by changing bands, then the KPA responds to the BAND lines change by changing bands itself. Note that the button push on the KPA only causes a command to be sent to the radio, it does not directly cause a band change in the KPA500. The behavior is different for all other RADIO settings. In those cases pushing a band button causes the KPA to change bands. The next thing to realize is that when RF is sensed by the KPA, it will change to the frequency counted band, even if other methods have told it to go to a different band. Of course if the counted band is the same as the previous band change, there will be no further change. Hopefully this is a lot clearer than mud? > > Also note that powering on or off the P3 has no effect on the KPA500. The K3 must be powered on for the KPA500 integration to work, and must be powered off completely for the KPA500 to mostly ignore it (see BAND discussion below). > >> But.... If I have the KX3 turned on and the K3 off, pressing a band button on the amp has no effect. > > This behaves exactly as described above. The KX3 does not have Auxbus, so it will not receive the button command from the KPA500 and thus nothing will result. > >> The only way to change bands on the amp is to set the KX3 to the desired band and then tickle the amp with a little shot of RF. > > As expected. Note that the K3 better be completely off when this happens, or _it_ will respond to the button press, change bands, and cause the KPA to do something. Also note that the K3 has pull-up resistors on its BAND lines, causing the signals to be pulled to the +5V rail when they are not being driven low. A short time after the K3 is powered off, the +5V rail will drop to 0V. The pull-ups will continue to do their job, pulling the lines to 0, which tells the KPA to change to 60 meters. > >> Now, the bad news. It does not do this all the time. Not 100% certain, but it seems to act like this if the amp has been powered off for a few hours. Just a couple minutes ago I was doing some sleuthing on this issue. After having the K3 online and sending RF, I tested this out and the amp subsequently behaved as it should after a K3 shutdown and KX3 startup. The amp changed bands with its own buttons or via RF from the KX3. Hmmm? > > Exactly how do you have the K3 and KX3 connected to the KPA500? The K3 loads the BAND lines at all times (and some other AUX signals), even when it is powered off. A change in the BAND lines is required to cause the KPA500 to change bands - if they remain stable then no band change will result. This means that after the K3 powers off and the +5V rail goes to zero, there should be just one band change (when the lines drop). After that any band changes will be due to RF. Do you have some other connection to the BAND lines besides those from the K3? By far, the best way to connect two radios to the KPA500 is to use a switch that disconnects the AUX cable from the K3 before attaching AUX signals to the other radio. Many have noted that you can generally get away with keeping the K3 connected to the KPA500, but results cannot be guaranteed. > > You might want to change the RADIO settings to something else (try SERIAL) when using the KX3 - with no band change reports coming in the KPA will rely solely on the RF sensing. But, give me a complete description of the setup and I?ll be able to better analyze the situation. Also, what version firmware is in the KPA500? The latest is V1.38, which is very highly recommended. The K3/KPA500 integration code did see several changes in the 1.30 - 1.38 time frame. > >> Very strange. Anyone (K6KR?) able to shed light on this unusual behavior? Not a gigantic big deal, but it does make me wonder what's going on. > > Dick did a great job with the KXPA and KAT500, while the KPA500 is mine. So many developers, so little time... > > 73! > > Jack B, W6FB > >> >> 73, Jim >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 05:16:37 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:16:37 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's good service Message-ID: <549BE405.5020304@gmail.com> After complaining about the problems with my R8 vertical, I want to mention that not only did MFJ agree to send me a new trap under warranty, but I received it today! That is great service, considering that shipping to Israel from the US often takes a couple of weeks. I have learned an important lesson, which is that the R8 is actually rated for 750W CW (or 500 RTTY/digital), at least on the bands from 18 MHz and down. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From beford at myfairpoint.net Thu Dec 25 08:09:35 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 08:09:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Our Christmas gift Message-ID: <69449C39F46E4D41ABA995E72BD24E3A@HPE250f> Ken, It sounds like you and Rose have received the best gift of all. Here's hoping for her continued and speedy recovery. May you both enjoy many more years together. HNY, Bruce, N1RX From aldermant at windstream.net Thu Dec 25 08:26:43 2014 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 08:26:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Our Christmas gift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301d02046$6d08fed0$471afc70$@windstream.net> Merry Christmas to both of you! That is a great story and even though you both have had a tough struggle, I, and I'm sure most of us, are certainly uplifted to hear of the wonderful progress Rose has made. Thank you very much for sharing this very happy story! 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:14 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [Elecraft] Our Christmas gift This message may be a duplicate for some of you as it's being sent using several of our mailing lists. Most of you are aware that Rose has been treated for uterine cancer for the last seven months. This has included both chemotherapy and internal vaginal radiation. What makes this an especially nice Christmas is that all her treatments were completed this week, ending what has been the most difficult period in the nearly sixty years we've been married. The oncologists continue to tell us she's "cancer free" but aren't making any predictions about when she'll be back to normal, other than to say it will be "several months". Her hair is starting to grow back and is about a half an inch long and dark grey. They say it will return to her normal color in a few weeks. She has several hats and caps ... they're actually stylish and cute. (:-)) We don't know future details yet ... the next meeting will be on January 14th for follow-up checks, CT scan, etc. She'll be monitored for five years. Her attitude through all this has been really positive. She's shown her strength and I'm very proud of her. The staff at the Community Cancer Center in Missoula has been wonderful. We're very fortunate and hope your family's Christmas is as happy as ours. Ken and Rose ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 25 10:45:31 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 07:45:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's good service In-Reply-To: <549BE405.5020304@gmail.com> References: <549BE405.5020304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <549C311B.2010604@socal.rr.com> That is pretty surprising -- especially considering it's the holiday season and the effect that can have on the mail and other forms of shipping. I half expected you'd end up building your own coil, Vic. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/25/14 2:16 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > After complaining about the problems with my R8 > vertical, I want to mention that not only did > MFJ agree to send me a new trap under warranty, > but I received it today! That is great service, > considering that shipping to Israel from the US > often takes a couple of weeks. > > I have learned an important lesson, which is > that the R8 is actually rated for 750W CW (or > 500 RTTY/digital), at least on the bands from 18 > MHz and down. > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Dec 25 11:34:32 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 07:34:32 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: 240V Line Message-ID: <201412251634.sBPGYWaf082773@ingra.acsalaska.net> First best wishes for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I think I chose a 25A twist-lock receptacle for my 4KV-1A PS. I ran 8-3 plus No. 10 safety ground cable because I did want to split out 120vac to two duplex outlets using two separate 20A breakers. That gives me 120v for my station 12v-50A supply and a Motorola 26v/12v PS that powers my HF 300w and 222-MHz 150w PA's. 120v also goes to the HVPS and last outlet powers my mini mw oven (for heating coffee, etc.). I will add another 25A outlet for the 50v-50A PS for my 1100w 6m linear that is planned to be added, soon. Having the 240v 20A breaker in the room is handy if the PS trips it off. Took me about half a day to run it. The bedroom that serves as my ham shack has standard No. 12 romex run to the outlets that power the computer stuff, lights and some small wall warts, wx station, 24v PS for my relays. Outlets are typical 15A rating. My home has a 4-foot high crawl space so running the 240v line was easy. I drilled a hole in the floor of the utility room where the main load center is located and ran PVC conduit from box to floor. I did the same thing in the bedroom next to the wall where my radio rack is installed. The HVPS outlet is wired with a short run of No. 10 thru conduit to standard metal surface 4x4 box with single 25A outlet. I see about 3v sag in 240vac when I key my 8877 at 1400w (draws 3.8kV at 700ma on anode). the 240v run is about 35-foot. The extra remnant of the 8-3 wire was used to wire my 6500w Honda generator into a 200A cutover switch mounted next to my meter box. I have just enough of the 8-3 left to use for wiring 28vdc at my dish for my 1296 300w amplifier from the 18A Astron PS that sits in a wx-tight box under the 16-foot dish. 73, Ed ---------- From: Jim Brown To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line Message-ID: <549B087E.1010108 at audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Installing a 240V outlet is not a big deal unless the construction of your home makes it difficult to run the cable. Barring that, a competent electrician should be able to do that in a half day; a difficult run could double the work. All that is required is a pair plus a Green wire. If you also want 120V outlets from the same circuit, you'll need another conductor for the neutral. A single 20A 120/240V circuit will run all the ham gear in most stations, even for SO2R. If you're smart, you'll use #10 copper, 20A outlets, and a 20A breaker. While #10 is rated for 30A, our stations don't need 30A, but the bigger copper will reduce the voltage drop. There are MAJOR advantages to running all the gear in our stations from outlets that share the same Green wire, or outlets whose Green wires are bonded together. See http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 25 11:49:42 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 08:49:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: 240V Line In-Reply-To: <201412251634.sBPGYWaf082773@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412251634.sBPGYWaf082773@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <549C4026.1070501@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/25/2014 8:34 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Having the 240v 20A breaker in the room is handy if the PS trips it off. Something would have to break to trip a 20A breaker in a legal, single-operator ham station. I'm set up for SO2R with a pair of legal limit Ten Tec Titan amps running on the same circuit. In SO2R, only one transmits at a time. But on occasion, I've hit a string of dits to tune one amp while the other is transmitting. I've never tripped a breaker. I have occasionally blown fuses on the amps. Remember that most breakers are designed to not trip until current has exceeded their limit by some percentage, and for some time. A big over-current (like 35A) will trip a 20A breaker very quickly, but 25A will take a while longer. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 12:14:47 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 19:14:47 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's good service In-Reply-To: <549C311B.2010604@socal.rr.com> References: <549BE405.5020304@gmail.com> <549C311B.2010604@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <549C4607.8070408@gmail.com> Yes, I was pleasantly surprised. Making my own coil would be harder than it looks. It has to be the correct inductance, of course, but the trap's capacitance is provided by the distributed capacitance between the turns of the coil and the capacitance between the coil and the aluminum trap cover. So it needs to be the same physical size and shape as the original, unless I want to be prepared to fool around with the length of the antenna. Because of the location on the roof, it isn't easy to take down and put up, so I would prefer a minimum of cut-and-try. On 25 Dec 2014 17:45, Phil Wheeler wrote: > That is pretty surprising -- especially considering it's the holiday > season and the effect that can have on the mail and other forms of > shipping. I half expected you'd end up building your own coil, Vic. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 12/25/14 2:16 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> After complaining about the problems with my R8 vertical, I want to >> mention that not only did MFJ agree to send me a new trap under >> warranty, but I received it today! That is great service, considering >> that shipping to Israel from the US often takes a couple of weeks. >> >> I have learned an important lesson, which is that the R8 is actually >> rated for 750W CW (or 500 RTTY/digital), at least on the bands from 18 >> MHz and down. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Dec 25 12:15:37 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 08:15:37 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line Message-ID: <201412251715.sBPHFbT2008747@huffman.acsalaska.net> In retrospect, its better if you contract a licensed electrician to run 240v wiring as his license is at risk and is liable if codes are violated. If you are not sure of the code and regulations, then I would say don't DIY. I am lucky as there is no zoning or covenants where I live. Legally, perhaps a building permit is required (by the county) but standard practise is to ignore it if owner built. I put up a 12x38-foot shed wired with lights and added a backyard driveway with no permits. The property assessor has visited since and added the improvements with nothing said. But this is rural Alaska where things are more relaxed. Also, I worked for a licensed electrician when I was younger so I am familiar with std practise. I hired electrical work at my old workplace so I had a business relationship with electrical contractor who was willing to sign-off on my work (he did the inspection). My prior home was owner-built in 1955 & 1971 and wired by the owner with 2-wire outlets. FHA bought off on that (grandfathered it) so I did not have to rewire the house (newer half was done with U-ground outlets. I did have to fix a bunch of ground faults and other mistakes and add GFI outlets in kitchen and bathroom. I opened one outlet in the utility room to find black charred wiring (I removed the outlet and used a blank cover and removed the circuit at the breaker box). But current home is built in 1994 and modern five-star energy home - done right. A plus is that utilities are buried so HF line noise is low. Ham radio was a consideration when we chose the home. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 12:30:02 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 19:30:02 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: 240V Line In-Reply-To: <201412251634.sBPGYWaf082773@ingra.acsalaska.net> References: <201412251634.sBPGYWaf082773@ingra.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <549C499A.1000306@gmail.com> Yup. Last year I was changing the primary taps on a massive 3.5 kVA Dahl transformer on a homebrew amplifier. Instead of connecting the line to the 0V and 220V taps as I intended, I connected it to the 220V and 240V taps. When I turned it on, it popped 1. The 15A breaker in the amplifier, 2. The 20A breaker on the wall where my 240V line (#10) came in, and 3. The 30A breaker at the service entrance. It also temporarily welded the contacts of the contactor in the amplifier. It did NOT blow any diodes (maybe because they were 6A10's) or capacitors. I can only imagine what the secondary voltage might have been if the diodes and capacitors hadn't looked like a short in the instant (it seemed instantaneous to me) before the breakers went. Don't do this, but if you do it's good to have lots of breakers. On 25 Dec 2014 18:34, Edward R Cole wrote: > Having the 240v 20A breaker in the room is handy if the PS trips it off. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From k0az at centurytel.net Thu Dec 25 15:17:07 2014 From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:17:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks Message-ID: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> Saw a heatsink on Ebay for the KX3. Does anyone know if these will stabilize the frequency enough for WSPR use? Thanks for any input. 73, Mike K?AZ ? GOD BLESS AMERICA K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd www.k0az.com SouthWest Missouri ? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 25 15:22:36 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:22:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks In-Reply-To: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> References: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <549C720C.5040909@socal.rr.com> There are several designs. You might be better input if you provide a link to that one. Phil W7OX On 12/25/14 12:17 PM, Mike Sanders wrote: > Saw a heatsink on Ebay for the KX3. Does anyone know if these will > stabilize the frequency enough for WSPR use? Thanks for any input. > 73, Mike K?AZ > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA > K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd > www.k0az.com From k0az at centurytel.net Thu Dec 25 15:55:16 2014 From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks In-Reply-To: <549C720C.5040909@socal.rr.com> References: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> <549C720C.5040909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <004801d02085$172cb710$45862530$@centurytel.net> Good idea and thanks Phil. Item number on ebay below. Elecraft KX3 heat sink MADE IN U.S.A. Item number:171574557034 73 ? GOD BLESS AMERICA K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd www.k0az.com SouthWest Missouri ? -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 2:23 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks There are several designs. You might be better input if you provide a link to that one. Phil W7OX On 12/25/14 12:17 PM, Mike Sanders wrote: > Saw a heatsink on Ebay for the KX3. Does anyone know if these will > stabilize the frequency enough for WSPR use? Thanks for any input. > 73, Mike K?AZ > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA > K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd > www.k0az.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k0az at centurytel.net From kd5byb at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 18:18:06 2014 From: kd5byb at gmail.com (Ben Hall) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks In-Reply-To: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> References: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <549C9B2E.9090603@gmail.com> On 12/25/2014 2:17 PM, Mike Sanders wrote: > > Saw a heatsink on Ebay for the KX3. Does anyone know if these will > stabilize the frequency enough for WSPR use? Thanks for any input. > 73, Mike K?AZ I've used my KX3 on WSPR with the stock heatsink. As long as I keep power low, the drift is quite tolerable. (like -2 to +2) thanks much and 73, ben From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 18:55:04 2014 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (k5oai) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 16:55:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] cw id on SSB not working now. In-Reply-To: <1419315550875-7596291.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419315550875-7596291.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1419551704386-7596383.post@n2.nabble.com> even though you have CW in SSB set. When you are in SSB, the memories record from the mic, I guess you could record audio of your call sent in cw over the mic and do it that way. to do what you are wanting to do, I just reach over to the key and send my call id. GB & 73 Sam K5OAI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/cw-id-on-SSB-not-working-now-tp7596291p7596383.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Dec 25 19:15:01 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 00:15:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] IRCs Message-ID: Arguably a bit OT, but I suspect the collective wisdom on this reflector can help with this question - IRCs (International Reply Coupons) are no longer sold by the U.S.P.S. - a major loss to QSLing with stations not part of LOTW. My experience sending green $tamps has not been nearly as good as it was with IRCs. IRCs are, however, available for purchase in other countries, including (so says the Internet) Australia and Canada. What I have not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in country A (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity that's part of the international postal union) can be used in country B to pay for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that is, a country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. The idea of international reciprocity would seem to require that among member countries, but I haven't been able to find anything reliable (or otherwise) that clearly addresses the question. Does anyone know? Ted, KN1CBR From dave at lanks.plus.com Thu Dec 25 19:22:24 2014 From: dave at lanks.plus.com (Dave Lankshear) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 00:22:24 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks Message-ID: <0026883FF99E44D281A70821A3B546C8@DaveLLaptop> Don't overlook doing the extended temperature calibration procedure http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Custom%20VFO%20TC%20rev%20A9.pdf I've done it on a small number of KX3's and the improvement in thermal stability is considerable. If you haven't run it before, it's time consuming so be patient and be prepared to re-run it as it's easy to make a small mistake. I also had issues with getting it to work on one of the KX3's (mine, naturally) after running straight through on the others. It couldn't all have been finger trouble, but after multiple, patient re-runs, it went through and my KX3 is now remarkably stable over a wide temperature range. It was well worth the effort. Season's Greetings, one and all. 73 Dave G3TJP From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 19:33:31 2014 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 18:33:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] cw id on SSB not working now. In-Reply-To: <1419551704386-7596383.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419315550875-7596291.post@n2.nabble.com> <1419551704386-7596383.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I just wrote a macro and it does it for me. Thanks. 73 all Gerald On Dec 25, 2014 5:55 PM, "k5oai" wrote: > even though you have CW in SSB set. > When you are in SSB, the memories record from the mic, > I guess you could record audio of your call sent in cw over the mic and do > it that way. > > to do what you are wanting to do, I just reach over to the key and send my > call id. > > GB & 73 > Sam K5OAI > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/cw-id-on-SSB-not-working-now-tp7596291p7596383.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From w1ksz at earthlink.net Thu Dec 25 19:33:57 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:33:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IRCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549CACF5.8020005@earthlink.net> The USPS may no longer sell them, but as members of the UPU they are required to accept them. Of course that means trying to convince your local Postal Clerk !! As for buying them, they are available on the secondary market, from DX stations and QSL mangers quite frequently and much cheaper. Just in the last week I have seen two adds on the eHam swap page. 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/25/2014 5:15 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Arguably a bit OT, but I suspect the collective wisdom on this reflector can help with this question - > > IRCs (International Reply Coupons) are no longer sold by the U.S.P.S. - a major loss to QSLing with stations not part of LOTW. My experience sending green $tamps has not been nearly as good as it was with IRCs. > > IRCs are, however, available for purchase in other countries, including (so says the Internet) Australia and Canada. What I have not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in country A (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity that's part of the international postal union) can be used in country B to pay for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that is, a country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. The idea of international reciprocity would seem to require that among member countries, but I haven't been able to find anything reliable (or otherwise) that clearly addresses the question. Does anyone know? > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 25 20:08:29 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] IRCs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549CB50D.5090208@subich.com> > What I have not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in > country A (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity > that's part of the international postal union) can be used in country > B to pay for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that > is, a country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. Yes, according to UPU regulations, an IRC purchased in any country may be redeemed in any other country for one unit of first class (air mail) postage to any place in the world. BTW, the lowest cost I've found is Swiss Post at 20 CHF for 20 IRCs. At current exchange rates (http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/) that's about $1.05 each! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-25 7:15 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Arguably a bit OT, but I suspect the collective wisdom on this > reflector can help with this question - > > IRCs (International Reply Coupons) are no longer sold by the U.S.P.S. > - a major loss to QSLing with stations not part of LOTW. My > experience sending green $tamps has not been nearly as good as it was > with IRCs. > > IRCs are, however, available for purchase in other countries, > including (so says the Internet) Australia and Canada. What I have > not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in country A > (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity that's part > of the international postal union) can be used in country B to pay > for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that is, a > country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. The idea of > international reciprocity would seem to require that among member > countries, but I haven't been able to find anything reliable (or > otherwise) that clearly addresses the question. Does anyone know? > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From mda at n1en.org Thu Dec 25 21:02:36 2014 From: mda at n1en.org (Michael Adams) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 02:02:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] IRCs In-Reply-To: <549CB50D.5090208@subich.com> References: ,<549CB50D.5090208@subich.com> Message-ID: <1419559356367.66932@n1en.org> Just be careful about buying from Swiss Post. The batch of IRCs I received from SwissPost were marked only with a simple "SU" on the left side, and not the full postmark-like stamp that is apparently required for an IRC to be fully valid. -- Michael / N1EN ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IRCs > What I have not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in > country A (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity > that's part of the international postal union) can be used in country > B to pay for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that > is, a country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. Yes, according to UPU regulations, an IRC purchased in any country may be redeemed in any other country for one unit of first class (air mail) postage to any place in the world. BTW, the lowest cost I've found is Swiss Post at 20 CHF for 20 IRCs. At current exchange rates (http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/) that's about $1.05 each! 73, ... Joe, W4TV From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 25 21:32:34 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 21:32:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] IRCs In-Reply-To: <1419559356367.66932@n1en.org> References: , <549CB50D.5090208@subich.com> <1419559356367.66932@n1en.org> Message-ID: <549CC8C2.2010005@subich.com> The postmark is *optional* - that is what "(facultative)" in the origination box means. The full translation is: Home country control fingerprint (optional) or Issuing country postmark (optional) The issuing country identification (e.g., SU) is sufficient. Any clerk that refuses to honor unpostmarked IRCs needs to be taught remedial French and be given an "attitude adjustment." 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-25 9:02 PM, Michael Adams wrote: > Just be careful about buying from Swiss Post. > > The batch of IRCs I received from SwissPost were marked only with a simple "SU" on the left side, and not the full postmark-like stamp that is apparently required for an IRC to be fully valid. > From py2pt.brazil at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 22:34:20 2014 From: py2pt.brazil at gmail.com (Ricardo - PY2PT) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 01:34:20 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X, K3 and MAC OSX Message-ID: Dear Guys, Please, I'm looking for friends with the setup below to share some info about JT65 and config issues: K3 with USB to serial cable and audio cables (no interfaces); Apple computer (OSX 10.7); and, WSJT-X software. Best Regards and happy holidays -- Ricardo Rodrigues - PY2PT | PX2F | 3D2PT | T30PT | T33PT | HH2/PY2PT py2pt.brazil at gmail.com http://www.py2pt.com http://www.altodaserradx.com @ricrodrigues T33A team member (2013) 8R1PY team member (2012) T30PY/T30SIX team member (2012) TO2FH (Mayotte Island - 2011) team member From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 26 01:01:31 2014 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 23:01:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks In-Reply-To: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> References: <004701d0207f$c2d30890$487919b0$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: I would check with Howie at proaudio engenering there is a link to him on the botto ?left of my web page ?www.gemsproducts.com 73 Scott AK6Q -------- Original message -------- From: "Mike Sanders [via Elecraft]" Date:12/25/2014 12:17 (GMT-08:00) To: KD6QZX Subject: KX3 WSPR and heatsinks Saw a heatsink on Ebay for the KX3. Does anyone know if these will stabilize the frequency enough for WSPR use? Thanks for any input. 73, Mike K?AZ GOD BLESS AMERICA K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd www.k0az.com SouthWest Missouri ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-WSPR-and-heatsinks-tp7596379.html To unsubscribe from Elecraft, click here. NAML ----- K3 #348 KX3 #2499 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-WSPR-and-heatsinks-tp7596379p7596392.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From q.g.collier at btinternet.com Fri Dec 26 04:07:51 2014 From: q.g.collier at btinternet.com (QUENTIN COLLIER) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 09:07:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1419584871.39147.YahooMailNeo@web186002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ________________________________ From: Richard Fjeld To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, 23 December 2014, 6:30 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power Well, more good information.? Maybe I stand corrected.? It's been nearly 4 years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more into the statements than it should have. I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled "POWER".? There is a note that reads "To ensure correct save of operating parameters, turn the K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off."? When I read that, I thought about the short duration power failures we experience. Page 44 touches on updating the nonvolatile memory correctly before shut-down either by the power switch, or in this case a 'PS0;' command via the RS232 interface. As you saw, there was a reply from a contester? who had several power outages with multiple K3's without any troubles.? That was good to learn of. I thought If I only use the battery for backup to shutdown, there should be a minimum of charging.? I have been using a UPS on the AC supply, but I trust a float battery I can test on the DC.? I may abandon the whole idea and stay with the UPS. Sometimes rejection is a good thing. Note: As I learn more about this radio, I appreciate the thought that went into it's design. Thanks for the posts, and the bandwidth. Dick, n0ce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to q.g.collier at btinternet.com From q.g.collier at btinternet.com Fri Dec 26 04:13:52 2014 From: q.g.collier at btinternet.com (QUENTIN COLLIER) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 09:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power In-Reply-To: <1419584871.39147.YahooMailNeo@web186002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54990BFB.1020409@embarqmail.com> <1419584871.39147.YahooMailNeo@web186002.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1419585232.76974.YahooMailNeo@web186004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Oops - sorry about the previous posting below....my cat Henry was "helping" me with my e-mails. Anyway, a belated Happy Christmas and best wishes for 2015 to all readers of this most interesting list. 73, Quin G3WRR ________________________________ From: QUENTIN COLLIER To: Richard Fjeld ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, 26 December 2014, 9:07 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ________________________________ From: Richard Fjeld To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, 23 December 2014, 6:30 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3? 13.8 VDC power Well, more good information.? Maybe I stand corrected.? It's been nearly 4 years since I have read the manual, and my memory may have read more into the statements than it should have. I refer to page 13, right hand column, halfway down, entitled "POWER".? There is a note that reads "To ensure correct save of operating parameters, turn the K3 off /before/ turning the power supply off."? When I read that, I thought about the short duration power failures we experience. Page 44 touches on updating the nonvolatile memory correctly before shut-down either by the power switch, or in this case a 'PS0;' command via the RS232 interface. As you saw, there was a reply from a contester? who had several power outages with multiple K3's without any troubles.? That was good to learn of. I thought If I only use the battery for backup to shutdown, there should be a minimum of charging.? I have been using a UPS on the AC supply, but I trust a float battery I can test on the DC.? I may abandon the whole idea and stay with the UPS. Sometimes rejection is a good thing. Note: As I learn more about this radio, I appreciate the thought that went into it's design. Thanks for the posts, and the bandwidth. Dick, n0ce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to q.g.collier at btinternet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to q.g.collier at btinternet.com From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 26 05:49:46 2014 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:49:46 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 13.8 VDC power, battery supplies In-Reply-To: <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5497C8C2.2060105@embarqmail.com> <54987658.9090109@embarqmail.com> <54987D1D.6060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Batteries are sensitive to their electrolyte temperature, some more than others. If it is tempting to put batteries outside the shack for any reason, take care of the temperature extremes they may experience in terms of charge voltage etc. Inside a shack that is nice for us is also good for the battery. See: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures 73 David G3UNA > Concerns about outgassing notwithstanding, I've never used anything more > than the voltage regulator on the power supply to limit the charge, and > I've always used ordinary deep cycle batteries. The key is to limit that > voltage to what the battery expects, and to limit the charging current to > what the battery will take as a "trickle" once it's reached full charge. > Those are not difficult to do if you simply monitor battery voltage and > charge current. > > 73, Jim K9YC From k0az at centurytel.net Fri Dec 26 10:16:19 2014 From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 09:16:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks In-Reply-To: <0026883FF99E44D281A70821A3B546C8@DaveLLaptop> References: <0026883FF99E44D281A70821A3B546C8@DaveLLaptop> Message-ID: <000f01d0211e$e7486040$b5d920c0$@centurytel.net> Thanks to those who responded. I will try the calibration mentioned by Dave below first. It may do the job. 73 Mike ? GOD BLESS AMERICA K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd www.k0az.com SouthWest Missouri Don't overlook doing the extended temperature calibration procedure http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Custom%20VFO%20TC%20rev%20A9.pdf I've done it on a small number of KX3's and the improvement in thermal stability is considerable. If you haven't run it before, it's time consuming so be patient and be prepared to re-run it as it's easy to make a small mistake. I also had issues with getting it to work on one of the KX3's (mine, naturally) after running straight through on the others. It couldn't all have been finger trouble, but after multiple, patient re-runs, it went through and my KX3 is now remarkably stable over a wide temperature range. It was well worth the effort. Season's Greetings, one and all. 73 Dave G3TJP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k0az at centurytel.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 26 10:30:44 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:30:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR and heatsinks In-Reply-To: <000f01d0211e$e7486040$b5d920c0$@centurytel.net> References: <0026883FF99E44D281A70821A3B546C8@DaveLLaptop> <000f01d0211e$e7486040$b5d920c0$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <549D7F24.4090607@socal.rr.com> Mike, You must do the extended temp calibration before doing any digital modes; that's a given. KX3 is fine for CW and SSB without it -- and it takes 2-3 hours to do (not complex, but you have to cool then heat the rig), so if they did it at Elecraft they'd have to add that to the cost of the rig. Heat sinks: There are several out there. That one at eBay looks a bit "thin", and no telling about the quality of machining, etc. But the price is attractive. My choice early on (when there were only one or two options) was this one http://www.ve7fmn.ca/ Cooler KX. There are some reviews of it here http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11702 Definitely more expensive but you really know what you're getting -- good, deep cooling fins and plenty of mass with a heat sink that is well-machined and mounted. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/26/14 7:16 AM, Mike Sanders wrote: > Thanks to those who responded. I will try the calibration mentioned by Dave > below first. It may do the job. 73 Mike > > > GOD BLESS AMERICA > K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd > www.k0az.com > SouthWest > Missouri > > > Don't overlook doing the extended temperature calibration procedure > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Custom%20VFO%20TC%20rev%20A9.pdf > > I've done it on a small number of KX3's and the improvement in thermal > stability is considerable. If you haven't run it before, it's time > consuming so be patient and be prepared to re-run it as it's easy to make a > small mistake. I also had issues with getting it to work on one of the > KX3's (mine, naturally) after running straight through on the others. It > couldn't all have been finger trouble, but after multiple, patient re-runs, > it went through and my KX3 is now remarkably stable over a wide temperature > range. It was well worth the effort. > > > > Season's Greetings, one and all. 73 Dave G3TJP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0az at centurytel.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > From steve at kb3taw.com Fri Dec 26 13:17:53 2014 From: steve at kb3taw.com (Steve Lett) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:17:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Message-ID: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> I have a new K3. I very much like the quality of this radio but it is over my non-technical head. Are there step-by-step instructions that would tell me how to configure the radio for RTTY using MMTTY software? I am also looking for easy to follow instructions to configure CW using CWDecoder software? Thank you. Steve, KB3TAW From ockmrzr at verizon.net Fri Dec 26 13:29:09 2014 From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:29:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> Message-ID: <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> http://www.k5nd.net/2013/08/fsk-interface/ Check out K5NDs link above. He shows a simple schematic for a RTTY (FSK) interface and the setting for the K3, N1MM, and MMTTY. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Lett Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 13:18 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help I have a new K3. I very much like the quality of this radio but it is over my non-technical head. Are there step-by-step instructions that would tell me how to configure the radio for RTTY using MMTTY software? I am also looking for easy to follow instructions to configure CW using CWDecoder software? Thank you. Steve, KB3TAW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ockmrzr at verizon.net From htodd at twofifty.com Fri Dec 26 16:35:09 2014 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:35:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 as well Message-ID: It's dead. I have it in MCU load mode with the TX light blinking and "MCU LD" on the display. I can't get communications test to work. Using the latest utility, trying Mac w/latest driver, Windows 7 with the latest driver, about to try Linux. Tried several different cables. Anything else I forgot? -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Dec 26 16:37:58 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3] KXPA100 will not manual tune Message-ID: <33bbc.39ad61ee.41cf2f36@aol.com> Was working OK. Turned rig on today and when I hit tune on the kX3 it does not tune. Two dashes show up on upper right corner of display and shows 5watts. Led on the amp under 25 is blinking. Same with dummy load. It will auto tune OK. Strange to say the least. Any ideas? 73 George/W2BPI From dick at elecraft.com Fri Dec 26 16:52:55 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:52:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 as well In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d02156$4e7021e0$eb5065a0$@elecraft.com> K3 Utility Help, Trouble shooting MCU Load Failure covers this. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hisashi T Fujinaka Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 1:35 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 as well It's dead. I have it in MCU load mode with the TX light blinking and "MCU LD" on the display. I can't get communications test to work. Using the latest utility, trying Mac w/latest driver, Windows 7 with the latest driver, about to try Linux. Tried several different cables. Anything else I forgot? -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Fri Dec 26 16:54:47 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:54:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> Message-ID: <549DD927.6090808@sunflower.com> Steve: I too am a new owner of a k3 kit and just got it going couple of weeks ago. You will enjoy this radio. I too will be looking at N1MM, etc so can operate via keyboard part of the time during contests. In the meantime, regarding RTTY, why don't you try using your CW paddle to send and the readout on your K3 panel (VFO B area) to receive the RTTY first. You will not need any added equipment. Here's how to do it roughly: 1. Read pages 31 and 32 on your owner's manual. Here's a bit of the text: "You don't need a computer to get started with data modes on the K3: it can receive and display RTTY and PSK31 on its LCD screen. You can transmit in data modes using your keyer paddle (see page 34). 2. I made my first contact with a W1AW/x station last weekend - and it was a split connection at that - way cool, that is, I transmitted UP 1 kHz per his CQ call. 3. Doing this experiment will really enhance/check your code sending too. Use the TEST mode and practice sending code in the above mode and check in the LCD (vfo b area) that your ending is accurate enough for the K3 to decode what you send in RTTY. The K3 converts that CW internally and transmits the RTTY for you. You'll improve your code and make your first RTTY contact in the same experiment! Happy New Year, Uncle Phil, W0XI, DCARC, 4SQRP, Lawrence, KS > Steve Lett > Friday, December 26, 2014 12:17 PM > I have a new K3. I very much like the quality of this radio but it is over > my non-technical head. Are there step-by-step instructions that would tell > me how to configure the radio for RTTY using MMTTY software? I am also > looking for easy to follow instructions to configure CW using CWDecoder > software? Thank you. > > > > > > Steve, KB3TAW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 26 17:08:30 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 128, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks everyone; very helpful replies. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 16 >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:33:57 -0700 >From: Richard Solomon >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IRCs >Message-ID: <549CACF5.8020005 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >The USPS may no longer sell them, but as members of the UPU they are >required >to accept them. Of course that means trying to convince your local >Postal Clerk !! > >As for buying them, they are available on the secondary market, from DX >stations >and QSL mangers quite frequently and much cheaper. > >Just in the last week I have seen two adds on the eHam swap page. > >73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ > >------------------------------ > >Message: 17 >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:29 -0500 >From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IRCs >Message-ID: <549CB50D.5090208 at subich.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >> What I have not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in >> country A (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity >> that's part of the international postal union) can be used in country >> B to pay for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that >> is, a country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. > >Yes, according to UPU regulations, an IRC purchased in any country may >be redeemed in any other country for one unit of first class (air mail) >postage to any place in the world. > >BTW, the lowest cost I've found is Swiss Post at 20 CHF for 20 IRCs. >At current exchange rates (http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/) >that's about $1.05 each! > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 18 >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 02:02:36 +0000 >From: Michael Adams >To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IRCs >Message-ID: <1419559356367.66932 at n1en.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Just be careful about buying from Swiss Post. > >The batch of IRCs I received from SwissPost were marked only with a >simple "SU" on the left side, and not the full postmark-like stamp that >is apparently required for an IRC to be fully valid. > >-- >Michael / N1EN > >________________________________________ >From: Elecraft on behalf of Joe >Subich, W4TV >Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:08 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IRCs > >> What I have not been able to find out is whether an IRC purchased in >> country A (e.g. Canada) and sent to country B (e.g. some DX entity >> that's part of the international postal union) can be used in country >> B to pay for return QSL postage from B to country C (the USA) - that >> is, a country other than the one where the IRC was purchased. > >Yes, according to UPU regulations, an IRC purchased in any country may >be redeemed in any other country for one unit of first class (air mail) >postage to any place in the world. > >BTW, the lowest cost I've found is Swiss Post at 20 CHF for 20 IRCs. >At current exchange rates (http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/) >that's about $1.05 each! > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 19 >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 21:32:34 -0500 >From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IRCs >Message-ID: <549CC8C2.2010005 at subich.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >The postmark is *optional* - that is what "(facultative)" in the >origination box means. > >The full translation is: > Home country control fingerprint (optional) or > Issuing country postmark (optional) > >The issuing country identification (e.g., SU) is sufficient. Any clerk >that refuses to honor unpostmarked IRCs needs to be taught remedial >French and be given an "attitude adjustment." > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From duklaet at broadpark.no Fri Dec 26 18:02:26 2014 From: duklaet at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hjalmar_Dukl=E6t=22?=) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:02:26 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3] KXPA100 will not manual tune In-Reply-To: <33bbc.39ad61ee.41cf2f36@aol.com> References: <33bbc.39ad61ee.41cf2f36@aol.com> Message-ID: <7770e6244bb1a.549df712@broadpark.no> Disconnect the amp and computer from the KX3. Switch the KX3 on and off. Reconnect the amp and switch on the KX3. This worked for me. You might check the menu key "PA Mode" to see if it's on. 73 de Hal/la4xx On 14-12-26 22:38, George via Elecraft wrote: > > Was working OK. Turned rig on today and when I hit tune on the kX3 it > does not tune. Two dashes show up on upper right corner of display and shows > 5watts. Led on the amp under 25 is blinking. Same with dummy load. It will > auto tune OK. Strange to say the least. Any ideas? 73 George/W2BPI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to duklaet at broadpark.no > From carl at n8vz.com Fri Dec 26 19:02:44 2014 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? Message-ID: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element box at the end of the boom. Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. 73, Carl ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 26 19:14:02 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:14:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <549DF9CA.7010709@socal.rr.com> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way to get better audio with the element you have. Phil W7OX On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get > fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be > the best replacement element to use? I assume > that it's a fairly simple operation to replace > the ic element with another one. It looks like > there are just two phillips screws holding on > the cover of the element box at the end of the > boom. > > Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > > 73, > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > PSK and JT65 Forever! From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 26 19:15:42 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:15:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <549DF9CA.7010709@socal.rr.com> References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> <549DF9CA.7010709@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <549DFA2E.4030200@socal.rr.com> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title. Phil W7OX On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be > able to suggest a way to get better audio with > the element you have. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get >> fairly lack luster audio reports. What would >> be the best replacement element to use? I >> assume that it's a fairly simple operation to >> replace the ic element with another one. It >> looks like there are just two phillips screws >> holding on the cover of the element box at the >> end of the boom. >> >> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. >> >> 73, >> Carl >> >> ================================================= >> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >> >> carl at n8vz.com >> www.n8vz.com >> EM89wh >> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >> PSK and JT65 Forever! > From htodd at twofifty.com Fri Dec 26 19:19:36 2014 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:19:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 as well In-Reply-To: <000201d02156$4e7021e0$eb5065a0$@elecraft.com> References: <000201d02156$4e7021e0$eb5065a0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: That fixed things. The Help had more info and a different reset procedure than in Fred's book: holding down power for 10 seconds. That and a different laptop seem to have let me reload the beta firmware. On Fri, 26 Dec 2014, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > K3 Utility Help, Trouble shooting MCU Load Failure covers this. > > Dick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Hisashi T Fujinaka > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 1:35 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 as well > > It's dead. I have it in MCU load mode with the TX light blinking and "MCU > LD" on the display. I can't get communications test to work. Using the > latest utility, trying Mac w/latest driver, Windows 7 with the latest > driver, about to try Linux. > > Tried several different cables. > > Anything else I forgot? > > -- > Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com > BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 19:37:28 2014 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:37:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bricked my K3 as well In-Reply-To: References: <000201d02156$4e7021e0$eb5065a0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <549DFF48.4000705@gmail.com> I've also found that if you use a USB to serial dongle, that a system reboot helps (at least in Windows, all versions, which you did by changing the OS). It seems that sometimes the device driver (even for a real serial port sometimes) goes wonky when the app fails to load the firmware to the K3. I suspect it hangs because the data isn't being purged properly on a fail to send. The reboot 'cleans' the driver so a subsequent retry often works. Happy New Year! Rick wa6nhc On 12/26/2014 4:19 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > That fixed things. The Help had more info and a different reset > procedure than in Fred's book: holding down power for 10 seconds. That > and a different laptop seem to have let me reload the beta firmware. > > On Fri, 26 Dec 2014, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > >> K3 Utility Help, Trouble shooting MCU Load Failure covers this. >> >> Dick From kk5ib01 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:23:04 2014 From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:23:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] My 13.8 Volt Solution Message-ID: <1419643384775-7596412.post@n2.nabble.com> I run a K2 and a K3 mostly QRP, powered by an Astron SS-30M power supply. I also have a 55 amp AGM deep cycle battery for indoor use. All the above are connected through an KI0BK Low Loss Power Gate. The power gate has five Anderson PP connections, battery in, power supply and three out. When the power supply is on the battery is charged with small current, when the power supply loses its input power, the power gate shifts to battery power in microseconds. The power in connections are hot swappable. The power supply and battery are isolated from each other so that the battery will not be discharged by the power supply bleeder. The power gate has 25 max amps capacity which is fine for my situation. Hope this is of interest. Darryl, KK5IB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/My-13-8-Volt-Solution-tp7596412.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:26:07 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:26:07 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> Hello I appreciate information also. I am using K3 + N1MM + MMTTY + Tascam soundcard and can RX but I couldn?t transmit on the K3 http://www.aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf seems is broken 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Bruce & Gab Enviado el: viernes, 26 de diciembre de 2014 04:29 p.m. Para: 'Steve Lett'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help http://www.k5nd.net/2013/08/fsk-interface/ Check out K5NDs link above. He shows a simple schematic for a RTTY (FSK) interface and the setting for the K3, N1MM, and MMTTY. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Lett Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 13:18 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help I have a new K3. I very much like the quality of this radio but it is over my non-technical head. Are there step-by-step instructions that would tell me how to configure the radio for RTTY using MMTTY software? I am also looking for easy to follow instructions to configure CW using CWDecoder software? Thank you. Steve, KB3TAW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ockmrzr at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From jbc5 at case.edu Fri Dec 26 20:34:57 2014 From: jbc5 at case.edu (Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" Message-ID: My wonderful XYL gave me the PR6 for Christmas - trying to figure out how to connect the "control wire" as I have the cable to the KAT500 / KPA500 already in the ACC socket - the instructions say if the ACC is in use to just connect the control wire to pin 11. Anyone have an easy way to do this? I have the Elecraft cables which are all molded so no access to the back of the connectors. I can't seem to find a "VGA" breakout box. Thanks es 73. de Joe, w9jc From arlenfletcher at mac.com Fri Dec 26 20:42:27 2014 From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:42:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft[ [K3] Sound card suggestions In-Reply-To: <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> References: <01db01d00673$8e1f3540$aa5d9fc0$@gmail.com> <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> Message-ID: Santa dropped off a TASCAM US-125M at my house yesterday. All is good, except I'm perplexed with the settings on the K3. I'm using line out on the K3 (stereo) into the line inputs on the 125M. I have the line level cranked all the way up to 100, but the input level on DM780 (Ham Radio Deluxe) shows an input level of about 29. I'd expect more signal than this. If I run the signal from the K3 line output into the mic input on the 125M I can easily overload the 125M. Shouldn't there be a better signal on the K3 line out? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. 73, Arlen - AA7F > On Nov 22, 2014, at 09:45, James Bennett wrote: > > Ian - FWIW - I replaced my SLUSB several months ago with a TASCAM US-125M external USB sound card. Got it on Amazon.com . Selling the SLUSB on eBay paid for the TASCAM unit. I have it connected to my 27? iMac and use it for PSK31, JT65, JT9, and an occasional RTTY QSO. No jumpers to fiddle with, no special cables - simple cables with RCA connectors. Couldn?t be happier with it. The TASCAM units are also recommended on the K9AY web pages. > > 73, Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > >> On Saturday, Nov 22, 2014, at Saturday, 8:44 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >> >> I've been trying to get back into the digital modes, and am discovering that >> the sound card built into my PC probably isn't adequate to the task (lack of >> adjustable settings in terms of equalization/balance). The old EMU0202 that >> everyone recommends isn't available any longer, and a search of eBay this >> morning turns up none being offered there at the moment. I have a SignaLink >> USB, which is currently configured for use with my FT-817 when I'm operating >> portable, and I don't want to have to reconfigure it every time I want to >> use a different rig. >> >> >> >> So, my question is this - What else are people using as an external USB >> sound card with their PCs and the K3? I have an HP desktop with Windows 7. >> The computer doesn't have room inside for another internal sound card due to >> other expansion boards I put into it. :) >> >> >> >> Thanks and 73, >> >> >> >> --Ian >> >> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >> Roswell, GA EM74ua >> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com From nf4l at comcast.net Fri Dec 26 20:45:19 2014 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84DFCEE5-E96E-44D2-93B4-F79EE524D3B3@comcast.net> Joe - My ACCY plug (which I'm almost sure came from Elecraft) has two Phillips head screws on one side for taking the shell apart. They're black, and easily overlooked. GL & 73, Mike NF4L > On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Joseph Carter wrote: > > My wonderful XYL gave me the PR6 for Christmas - trying to figure out how > to connect the "control wire" as I have the cable to the KAT500 / KPA500 > already in the ACC socket - the instructions say if the ACC is in use to > just connect the control wire to pin 11. > Anyone have an easy way to do this? > I have the Elecraft cables which are all molded so no access to the back of > the connectors. > I can't seem to find a "VGA" breakout box. > Thanks es 73. > de Joe, w9jc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From ockmrzr at verizon.net Fri Dec 26 21:15:10 2014 From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:15:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> http://www.n3me.net/howto.htm Here is another link with step by step instructions for N1MM and MMTTY. Also, AA5AU's is still there, he has done a major rebuild and if you just snoop around, you'll find what you need. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 20:26 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Hello I appreciate information also. I am using K3 + N1MM + MMTTY + Tascam soundcard and can RX but I couldn?t transmit on the K3 http://www.aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf seems is broken 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Bruce & Gab Enviado el: viernes, 26 de diciembre de 2014 04:29 p.m. Para: 'Steve Lett'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help http://www.k5nd.net/2013/08/fsk-interface/ Check out K5NDs link above. He shows a simple schematic for a RTTY (FSK) interface and the setting for the K3, N1MM, and MMTTY. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Lett Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 13:18 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help I have a new K3. I very much like the quality of this radio but it is over my non-technical head. Are there step-by-step instructions that would tell me how to configure the radio for RTTY using MMTTY software? I am also looking for easy to follow instructions to configure CW using CWDecoder software? Thank you. Steve, KB3TAW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ockmrzr at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ockmrzr at verizon.net From n7rjn at nobis.net Fri Dec 26 21:20:15 2014 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Sound card suggestions - TASCAM 366 In-Reply-To: References: <01db01d00673$8e1f3540$aa5d9fc0$@gmail.com> <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> Message-ID: A few weeks ago, my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I said a TASCAM 122 USB Interface. Instead I received a TASCAM 366. She checked on line and the 122 was listed as discontinued and replaced by the 366, so she ordered the 366. So now I have a TASCAM 366, which has significantly more capability that I really need. Anyway I will try to use it with my K3 for JT65 and JT9 operation. I am wondering, however, if anyone on this reflector has any experience with the 366 and could provide some hints for proper setup and operation. Thanks and Merry Christmas. 73, Bob - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Dec 26, 2014, at 18:42, Arlen Fletcher wrote: > > Santa dropped off a TASCAM US-125M at my house yesterday. All is good, except I'm perplexed with the settings on the K3. I'm using line out on the K3 (stereo) into the line inputs on the 125M. I have the line level cranked all the way up to 100, but the input level on DM780 (Ham Radio Deluxe) shows an input level of about 29. I'd expect more signal than this. If I run the signal from the K3 line output into the mic input on the 125M I can easily overload the 125M. > > Shouldn't there be a better signal on the K3 line out? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. > > 73, Arlen - AA7F > > > >> On Nov 22, 2014, at 09:45, James Bennett wrote: >> >> Ian - FWIW - I replaced my SLUSB several months ago with a TASCAM US-125M external USB sound card. Got it on Amazon.com . Selling the SLUSB on eBay paid for the TASCAM unit. I have it connected to my 27? iMac and use it for PSK31, JT65, JT9, and an occasional RTTY QSO. No jumpers to fiddle with, no special cables - simple cables with RCA connectors. Couldn?t be happier with it. The TASCAM units are also recommended on the K9AY web pages. >> >> 73, Jim / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >> >>> On Saturday, Nov 22, 2014, at Saturday, 8:44 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >>> >>> I've been trying to get back into the digital modes, and am discovering that >>> the sound card built into my PC probably isn't adequate to the task (lack of >>> adjustable settings in terms of equalization/balance). The old EMU0202 that >>> everyone recommends isn't available any longer, and a search of eBay this >>> morning turns up none being offered there at the moment. I have a SignaLink >>> USB, which is currently configured for use with my FT-817 when I'm operating >>> portable, and I don't want to have to reconfigure it every time I want to >>> use a different rig. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, my question is this - What else are people using as an external USB >>> sound card with their PCs and the K3? I have an HP desktop with Windows 7. >>> The computer doesn't have room inside for another internal sound card due to >>> other expansion boards I put into it. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks and 73, >>> >>> >>> >>> --Ian >>> >>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net From w6jhb at me.com Fri Dec 26 22:21:42 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:21:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft[ [K3] Sound card suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <01db01d00673$8e1f3540$aa5d9fc0$@gmail.com> <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> Message-ID: Arlen, Can?t hemp you with anything to do with HRD/DM780, but I can tell you what I told Ian (KM4 ). Here is a snippet of my note to him: Here?s how mine is set up: USB connector on the back: I wound mine through four Mix 31 2.5? ferrite cores before routing it to the USB port on my iMac - just to be sure there was no RFI entering either the computer or the sound card. Probably didn?t need to do this, but there is no RFI issue for me at this point. Line Out: the Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. Line In: Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. No other connections needed. For my setup, on the Tascam, the MIC and INST controls are all the way counterclockwise. The LINE, COMPUTER and OUTPUT controls are about the 3:00 position. My K3?s Line/Mic is set to 15. Hope that helps?.. 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 5:42 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote: > > Santa dropped off a TASCAM US-125M at my house yesterday. All is good, except I'm perplexed with the settings on the K3. I'm using line out on the K3 (stereo) into the line inputs on the 125M. I have the line level cranked all the way up to 100, but the input level on DM780 (Ham Radio Deluxe) shows an input level of about 29. I'd expect more signal than this. If I run the signal from the K3 line output into the mic input on the 125M I can easily overload the 125M. > > Shouldn't there be a better signal on the K3 line out? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. > > 73, Arlen - AA7F > > > >> On Nov 22, 2014, at 09:45, James Bennett > wrote: >> >> Ian - FWIW - I replaced my SLUSB several months ago with a TASCAM US-125M external USB sound card. Got it on Amazon.com >. Selling the SLUSB on eBay paid for the TASCAM unit. I have it connected to my 27? iMac and use it for PSK31, JT65, JT9, and an occasional RTTY QSO. No jumpers to fiddle with, no special cables - simple cables with RCA connectors. Couldn?t be happier with it. The TASCAM units are also recommended on the K9AY web pages. >> >> 73, Jim / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >> >>> On Saturday, Nov 22, 2014, at Saturday, 8:44 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >>> >>> I've been trying to get back into the digital modes, and am discovering that >>> the sound card built into my PC probably isn't adequate to the task (lack of >>> adjustable settings in terms of equalization/balance). The old EMU0202 that >>> everyone recommends isn't available any longer, and a search of eBay this >>> morning turns up none being offered there at the moment. I have a SignaLink >>> USB, which is currently configured for use with my FT-817 when I'm operating >>> portable, and I don't want to have to reconfigure it every time I want to >>> use a different rig. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, my question is this - What else are people using as an external USB >>> sound card with their PCs and the K3? I have an HP desktop with Windows 7. >>> The computer doesn't have room inside for another internal sound card due to >>> other expansion boards I put into it. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks and 73, >>> >>> >>> >>> --Ian >>> >>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com From w6jhb at me.com Fri Dec 26 22:49:08 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:49:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft[ [K3] Sound card suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <01db01d00673$8e1f3540$aa5d9fc0$@gmail.com> <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> Message-ID: <044BC7B3-84A1-45A9-8C05-C0E1CDA225E8@me.com> Rough night here - still trying to kick a cold - brain not working too well. That was supposed to be HELP, not hemp, and Ian is KM4IK. > On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 7:21 PM, James Bennett wrote: > > Arlen, > > Can?t hemp you with anything to do with HRD/DM780, but I can tell you what I told Ian (KM4 ). Here is a snippet of my note to him: > > Here?s how mine is set up: > > USB connector on the back: I wound mine through four Mix 31 2.5? ferrite cores before routing it to the USB port on my iMac - just to be sure there was no RFI entering either the computer or the sound card. Probably didn?t need to do this, but there is no RFI issue for me at this point. > > Line Out: the Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. > Line In: Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. > > No other connections needed. > > For my setup, on the Tascam, the MIC and INST controls are all the way counterclockwise. The LINE, COMPUTER and OUTPUT controls are about the 3:00 position. > > My K3?s Line/Mic is set to 15. > > Hope that helps?.. > > 73, Jim / W6JHB > > >> On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 5:42 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote: >> >> Santa dropped off a TASCAM US-125M at my house yesterday. All is good, except I'm perplexed with the settings on the K3. I'm using line out on the K3 (stereo) into the line inputs on the 125M. I have the line level cranked all the way up to 100, but the input level on DM780 (Ham Radio Deluxe) shows an input level of about 29. I'd expect more signal than this. If I run the signal from the K3 line output into the mic input on the 125M I can easily overload the 125M. >> >> Shouldn't there be a better signal on the K3 line out? >> >> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. >> >> 73, Arlen - AA7F >> >> >> >>> On Nov 22, 2014, at 09:45, James Bennett > wrote: >>> >>> Ian - FWIW - I replaced my SLUSB several months ago with a TASCAM US-125M external USB sound card. Got it on Amazon.com >. Selling the SLUSB on eBay paid for the TASCAM unit. I have it connected to my 27? iMac and use it for PSK31, JT65, JT9, and an occasional RTTY QSO. No jumpers to fiddle with, no special cables - simple cables with RCA connectors. Couldn?t be happier with it. The TASCAM units are also recommended on the K9AY web pages. >>> >>> 73, Jim / W6JHB >>> Folsom, CA >>> >>> >>>> On Saturday, Nov 22, 2014, at Saturday, 8:44 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been trying to get back into the digital modes, and am discovering that >>>> the sound card built into my PC probably isn't adequate to the task (lack of >>>> adjustable settings in terms of equalization/balance). The old EMU0202 that >>>> everyone recommends isn't available any longer, and a search of eBay this >>>> morning turns up none being offered there at the moment. I have a SignaLink >>>> USB, which is currently configured for use with my FT-817 when I'm operating >>>> portable, and I don't want to have to reconfigure it every time I want to >>>> use a different rig. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, my question is this - What else are people using as an external USB >>>> sound card with their PCs and the K3? I have an HP desktop with Windows 7. >>>> The computer doesn't have room inside for another internal sound card due to >>>> other expansion boards I put into it. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks and 73, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --Ian >>>> >>>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>>> http://www.avast.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From fcady at ece.montana.edu Fri Dec 26 23:30:46 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:30:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0456209442@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Hi Joe, If you purchased the KPAK3AUX cable set with your KPA500 you should have a 15-pin Y-cable adapter. If not you can get one from Elecraft or another vendor. Be sure to NOT use a VGA y-cable. Simply put the y-cable on the back of the K3 and plug the control cable for the PR6 into one leg and the KPA into the other. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners KE7X -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Carter Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 6:35 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" My wonderful XYL gave me the PR6 for Christmas - trying to figure out how to connect the "control wire" as I have the cable to the KAT500 / KPA500 already in the ACC socket - the instructions say if the ACC is in use to just connect the control wire to pin 11. Anyone have an easy way to do this? I have the Elecraft cables which are all molded so no access to the back of the connectors. I can't seem to find a "VGA" breakout box. Thanks es 73. de Joe, w9jc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From arlenfletcher at mac.com Fri Dec 26 23:33:03 2014 From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:33:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft[ [K3] Sound card suggestions In-Reply-To: <044BC7B3-84A1-45A9-8C05-C0E1CDA225E8@me.com> References: <01db01d00673$8e1f3540$aa5d9fc0$@gmail.com> <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> <044BC7B3-84A1-45A9-8C05-C0E1CDA225E8@me.com> Message-ID: <3EF20676-9E25-4B6B-9D7C-5AFC4A36CB34@mac.com> Jim, Sorry to hear that you're under the weather. That cold seems to be going around and people are hanging onto it for weeks. Hope you're about done with it! I appreciate the info you've provided. I'm not using the line out on the Tascam at this point, just the line in. Sounds like it's set up similarly to yours, but I'm wondering what the Config: LIN OUT setting is on your K3. I have mine set to maximum (100), and on the Tascam the Line In is all the way clockwise, and I'm still not getting enough signal. 73, Arlen - AA7f > On Dec 26, 2014, at 19:49, James Bennett wrote: > > Rough night here - still trying to kick a cold - brain not working too well. That was supposed to be HELP, not hemp, and Ian is KM4IK. > > >> On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 7:21 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> >> Arlen, >> >> Can?t hemp you with anything to do with HRD/DM780, but I can tell you what I told Ian (KM4 ). Here is a snippet of my note to him: >> >> Here?s how mine is set up: >> >> USB connector on the back: I wound mine through four Mix 31 2.5? ferrite cores before routing it to the USB port on my iMac - just to be sure there was no RFI entering either the computer or the sound card. Probably didn?t need to do this, but there is no RFI issue for me at this point. >> >> Line Out: the Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. >> Line In: Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. >> >> No other connections needed. >> >> For my setup, on the Tascam, the MIC and INST controls are all the way counterclockwise. The LINE, COMPUTER and OUTPUT controls are about the 3:00 position. >> >> My K3?s Line/Mic is set to 15. >> >> Hope that helps?.. >> >> 73, Jim / W6JHB >> >> >>> On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 5:42 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote: >>> >>> Santa dropped off a TASCAM US-125M at my house yesterday. All is good, except I'm perplexed with the settings on the K3. I'm using line out on the K3 (stereo) into the line inputs on the 125M. I have the line level cranked all the way up to 100, but the input level on DM780 (Ham Radio Deluxe) shows an input level of about 29. I'd expect more signal than this. If I run the signal from the K3 line output into the mic input on the 125M I can easily overload the 125M. >>> >>> Shouldn't there be a better signal on the K3 line out? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. >>> >>> 73, Arlen - AA7F >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 22, 2014, at 09:45, James Bennett > wrote: >>>> >>>> Ian - FWIW - I replaced my SLUSB several months ago with a TASCAM US-125M external USB sound card. Got it on Amazon.com >. Selling the SLUSB on eBay paid for the TASCAM unit. I have it connected to my 27? iMac and use it for PSK31, JT65, JT9, and an occasional RTTY QSO. No jumpers to fiddle with, no special cables - simple cables with RCA connectors. Couldn?t be happier with it. The TASCAM units are also recommended on the K9AY web pages. >>>> >>>> 73, Jim / W6JHB >>>> Folsom, CA >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, Nov 22, 2014, at Saturday, 8:44 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've been trying to get back into the digital modes, and am discovering that >>>>> the sound card built into my PC probably isn't adequate to the task (lack of >>>>> adjustable settings in terms of equalization/balance). The old EMU0202 that >>>>> everyone recommends isn't available any longer, and a search of eBay this >>>>> morning turns up none being offered there at the moment. I have a SignaLink >>>>> USB, which is currently configured for use with my FT-817 when I'm operating >>>>> portable, and I don't want to have to reconfigure it every time I want to >>>>> use a different rig. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, my question is this - What else are people using as an external USB >>>>> sound card with their PCs and the K3? I have an HP desktop with Windows 7. >>>>> The computer doesn't have room inside for another internal sound card due to >>>>> other expansion boards I put into it. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and 73, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --Ian >>>>> >>>>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>>>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>>>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>>>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>>>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>>>> http://www.avast.com >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > From w6jhb at me.com Sat Dec 27 00:00:22 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:00:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft[ [K3] Sound card suggestions In-Reply-To: <3EF20676-9E25-4B6B-9D7C-5AFC4A36CB34@mac.com> References: <01db01d00673$8e1f3540$aa5d9fc0$@gmail.com> <09BD6A80-C7EC-4CBC-A83C-5BCF3C4D0D6D@me.com> <044BC7B3-84A1-45A9-8C05-C0E1CDA225E8@me.com> <3EF20676-9E25-4B6B-9D7C-5AFC4A36CB34@mac.com> Message-ID: Yeah, this cold stinks. Had it less than a week - hope its gone by New Years Day. I will look at my K3 in the morning. Right now rocking our baby to sleep then QRT for me, too. 73, Jim > On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote: > > Jim, > > Sorry to hear that you're under the weather. That cold seems to be going around and people are hanging onto it for weeks. Hope you're about done with it! > > I appreciate the info you've provided. I'm not using the line out on the Tascam at this point, just the line in. Sounds like it's set up similarly to yours, but I'm wondering what the Config: LIN OUT setting is on your K3. I have mine set to maximum (100), and on the Tascam the Line In is all the way clockwise, and I'm still not getting enough signal. > > 73, Arlen - AA7f > > >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 19:49, James Bennett wrote: >> >> Rough night here - still trying to kick a cold - brain not working too well. That was supposed to be HELP, not hemp, and Ian is KM4IK. >> >> >>> On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 7:21 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>> >>> Arlen, >>> >>> Can?t hemp you with anything to do with HRD/DM780, but I can tell you what I told Ian (KM4 ). Here is a snippet of my note to him: >>> >>> Here?s how mine is set up: >>> >>> USB connector on the back: I wound mine through four Mix 31 2.5? ferrite cores before routing it to the USB port on my iMac - just to be sure there was no RFI entering either the computer or the sound card. Probably didn?t need to do this, but there is no RFI issue for me at this point. >>> >>> Line Out: the Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. >>> Line In: Tascam has two RCA jacks (L/R). I have a cable with RCA plugs on one end and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the K3 end. Left to the 3.5mm tip, right to the 3.5mm ring. >>> >>> No other connections needed. >>> >>> For my setup, on the Tascam, the MIC and INST controls are all the way counterclockwise. The LINE, COMPUTER and OUTPUT controls are about the 3:00 position. >>> >>> My K3?s Line/Mic is set to 15. >>> >>> Hope that helps?.. >>> >>> 73, Jim / W6JHB >>> >>> >>>> On Friday, Dec 26, 2014, at Friday, 5:42 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote: >>>> >>>> Santa dropped off a TASCAM US-125M at my house yesterday. All is good, except I'm perplexed with the settings on the K3. I'm using line out on the K3 (stereo) into the line inputs on the 125M. I have the line level cranked all the way up to 100, but the input level on DM780 (Ham Radio Deluxe) shows an input level of about 29. I'd expect more signal than this. If I run the signal from the K3 line output into the mic input on the 125M I can easily overload the 125M. >>>> >>>> Shouldn't there be a better signal on the K3 line out? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. >>>> >>>> 73, Arlen - AA7F >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 22, 2014, at 09:45, James Bennett > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ian - FWIW - I replaced my SLUSB several months ago with a TASCAM US-125M external USB sound card. Got it on Amazon.com >. Selling the SLUSB on eBay paid for the TASCAM unit. I have it connected to my 27? iMac and use it for PSK31, JT65, JT9, and an occasional RTTY QSO. No jumpers to fiddle with, no special cables - simple cables with RCA connectors. Couldn?t be happier with it. The TASCAM units are also recommended on the K9AY web pages. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Jim / W6JHB >>>>> Folsom, CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, Nov 22, 2014, at Saturday, 8:44 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been trying to get back into the digital modes, and am discovering that >>>>>> the sound card built into my PC probably isn't adequate to the task (lack of >>>>>> adjustable settings in terms of equalization/balance). The old EMU0202 that >>>>>> everyone recommends isn't available any longer, and a search of eBay this >>>>>> morning turns up none being offered there at the moment. I have a SignaLink >>>>>> USB, which is currently configured for use with my FT-817 when I'm operating >>>>>> portable, and I don't want to have to reconfigure it every time I want to >>>>>> use a different rig. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, my question is this - What else are people using as an external USB >>>>>> sound card with their PCs and the K3? I have an HP desktop with Windows 7. >>>>>> The computer doesn't have room inside for another internal sound card due to >>>>>> other expansion boards I put into it. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>>>>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>>>>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>>>>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>>>>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>>>>> http://www.avast.com >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >> From carl at n8vz.com Sat Dec 27 00:16:55 2014 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:16:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <549E3C0F.3090505@socal.rr.com> References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> <549DF9CA.7010709@socal.rr.com> <549DFA2E.4030200@socal.rr.com> <6F9AD2E9-36A1-4484-99D5-42531707B9AA@n8vz.com> <549E3C0F.3090505@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Phil. These look like exactly what I needed. I'll check this out tomorrow and let you know how it works. 73 de Carl, N8VZ Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Yeah, reading the manual should always be a last resort, Carl :-) > > I have an older Heil with the HC-4 element, supposedly good for "communications quality". The HC-5 is reputed to have good fidelity. > > Mike bias may be another parameter at issue but I don't know the iC element. > > Let me see if I have anything I can attach with would provide you more info. Yes, take a look at the two attached files. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > >> On 12/26/14 8:47 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >> Yes, I should have put KX3 in the text as well. Sorry for the confusion. I've had a few suggestions offline, which I'm going check out. These involve mic gain and eq settings. I already have the mic gain set pretty high but haven't touched any iq settings. I guess I may have to resort to reading the manual. ;-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title. >>>> >>>> Phil W7OX >>>> >>>>> On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way to get better audio with the element you have. >>>>> >>>>> Phil W7OX >>>>> >>>>> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >>>>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element box at the end of the boom. >>>>> >>>>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Carl >>>>> >>>>> ================================================= >>>>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >>>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >>>>> >>>>> carl at n8vz.com >>>>> www.n8vz.com >>>>> EM89wh >>>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >>>>> PSK and JT65 Forever! >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com > > > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 00:30:16 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:30:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> <549DF9CA.7010709@socal.rr.com> <549DFA2E.4030200@socal.rr.com> <6F9AD2E9-36A1-4484-99D5-42531707B9AA@n8vz.com> <549E3C0F.3090505@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: If what they are telling you is that it sounds tinny, that is the HC4. It is supposed to be good for 'penetrating' pileups, but doesn't sound very good. Vic K2VCO /4X6GP > On Dec 27, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > Thanks, Phil. These look like exactly what I needed. I'll check this out tomorrow and let you know how it works. 73 de Carl, N8VZ > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> Yeah, reading the manual should always be a last resort, Carl :-) >> >> I have an older Heil with the HC-4 element, supposedly good for "communications quality". The HC-5 is reputed to have good fidelity. >> >> Mike bias may be another parameter at issue but I don't know the iC element. >> >> Let me see if I have anything I can attach with would provide you more info. Yes, take a look at the two attached files. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> >>> On 12/26/14 8:47 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >>> Yes, I should have put KX3 in the text as well. Sorry for the confusion. I've had a few suggestions offline, which I'm going check out. These involve mic gain and eq settings. I already have the mic gain set pretty high but haven't touched any iq settings. I guess I may have to resort to reading the manual. ;-) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title. >>>>> >>>>> Phil W7OX >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>>>> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way to get better audio with the element you have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil W7OX >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >>>>>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element box at the end of the boom. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Carl >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================================= >>>>>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >>>>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >>>>>> >>>>>> carl at n8vz.com >>>>>> www.n8vz.com >>>>>> EM89wh >>>>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >>>>>> PSK and JT65 Forever! >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Dec 27 00:32:59 2014 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:32:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0456209442@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0456209442@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: It is also very important to use the small disconnect adapter that came with the cable kit to make sure the pin 11 connection is not made at the KPA500. Pin 11 of the KPA500 is not compatible with the PR6's control pin, and must not be connected to it. - Jack Brindle, W6FB Sent from my iPad > On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > Hi Joe, > If you purchased the KPAK3AUX cable set with your KPA500 you should have a 15-pin Y-cable adapter. If not you can get one from Elecraft or another vendor. Be sure to NOT use a VGA y-cable. > Simply put the y-cable on the back of the K3 and plug the control cable for the PR6 into one leg and the KPA into the other. > > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > Author of: > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > > KE7X > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Carter > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 6:35 PM > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" > > My wonderful XYL gave me the PR6 for Christmas - trying to figure out how to connect the "control wire" as I have the cable to the KAT500 / KPA500 already in the ACC socket - the instructions say if the ACC is in use to just connect the control wire to pin 11. > Anyone have an easy way to do this? > I have the Elecraft cables which are all molded so no access to the back of the connectors. > I can't seem to find a "VGA" breakout box. > Thanks es 73. > de Joe, w9jc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From jim at rhodesend.net Sat Dec 27 00:52:08 2014 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:52:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> <549DF9CA.7010709@socal.rr.com> <549DFA2E.4030200@socal.rr.com> <6F9AD2E9-36A1-4484-99D5-42531707B9AA@n8vz.com> <549E3C0F.3090505@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Before you replace the element take some time with a trusted local who knows you voice and adjust the transmit equalizer. Makes all the difference in the world. On Dec 26, 2014 11:30 PM, "Vic Rosenthal" wrote: > If what they are telling you is that it sounds tinny, that is the HC4. It > is supposed to be good for 'penetrating' pileups, but doesn't sound very > good. > > Vic K2VCO /4X6GP > > > On Dec 27, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > > > Thanks, Phil. These look like exactly what I needed. I'll check this > out tomorrow and let you know how it works. 73 de Carl, N8VZ > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, reading the manual should always be a last resort, Carl :-) > >> > >> I have an older Heil with the HC-4 element, supposedly good for > "communications quality". The HC-5 is reputed to have good fidelity. > >> > >> Mike bias may be another parameter at issue but I don't know the iC > element. > >> > >> Let me see if I have anything I can attach with would provide you more > info. Yes, take a look at the two attached files. > >> > >> 73, Phil W7OX > >> > >> > >>> On 12/26/14 8:47 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > >>> Yes, I should have put KX3 in the text as well. Sorry for the > confusion. I've had a few suggestions offline, which I'm going check out. > These involve mic gain and eq settings. I already have the mic gain set > pretty high but haven't touched any iq settings. I guess I may have to > resort to reading the manual. ;-) > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Ah, I missed KX3 in the title. > >>>>> > >>>>> Phil W7OX > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:14 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >>>>>> What rig are you using, Carl? Someone may be able to suggest a way > to get better audio with the element you have. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Phil W7OX > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12/26/14 4:02 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > >>>>>> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster > audio reports. What would be the best replacement element to use? I > assume that it's a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with > another one. It looks like there are just two phillips screws holding on > the cover of the element box at the end of the boom. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 73, > >>>>>> Carl > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ================================================= > >>>>>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > >>>>>> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> carl at n8vz.com > >>>>>> www.n8vz.com > >>>>>> EM89wh > >>>>>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > >>>>>> PSK and JT65 Forever! > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>> Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com > >> > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From erw.edl at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 01:02:02 2014 From: erw.edl at gmail.com (Eugene Worth) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:02:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Sound card suggestions - TASCAM 366 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BEBD9D3-53AA-4534-AD99-3445EFB41905@gmail.com> Nice Christmas present, indeed. I?m looking on eBay for a US-122 or US-144. Actually B&H Audio still has some ?new? but discontinued ones for $99.00. The point of this message is that we have an expert on this list ? Jim Brown, K9YC. Have a look at his website, http://k9yc.com and/or Google for ?USB Audio Interfaces for Digital Modes.? It took me a couple of reads of this paper to get the gist of the message. I looked at the TASCAM unit and went, ?Ooooohhhh, I?m not so sure I?m smart enough.? But, read the paper again. You?ll need a couple of connectors to go from 1/8? stereo to 1/4? stereo plug, but most of it will be intuitive. The knobs on the sound card take the place of the sliders in Windows sound set up or Mac Sound Settings ? He even gives you 3 or 4 ways to make sure that your sound card won?t overdrive the radio. Cheers! gene WG7GW > On Dec 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:20:15 -0700 > From: Robert Nobis > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sound card suggestions - TASCAM 366 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > A few weeks ago, my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I said a TASCAM 122 USB Interface. Instead I received a TASCAM 366. She checked on line and the 122 was listed as discontinued and replaced by the 366, so she ordered the 366. > > So now I have a TASCAM 366, which has significantly more capability that I really need. Anyway I will try to use it with my K3 for JT65 and JT9 operation. I am wondering, however, if anyone on this reflector has any experience with the 366 and could provide some hints for proper setup and operation. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas. > > 73, > > > Bob - N7RJN > n7rjn at nobis.net From n7rjn at nobis.net Sat Dec 27 01:34:26 2014 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:34:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Sound card suggestions - TASCAM 366 In-Reply-To: <1BEBD9D3-53AA-4534-AD99-3445EFB41905@gmail.com> References: <1BEBD9D3-53AA-4534-AD99-3445EFB41905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <219A36A9-F5DD-4276-9E30-CB22D85A5F99@nobis.net> Gene, Thank you very much. I will check out the Jim Brown?s web site. 73, Bob - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Dec 26, 2014, at 23:02, Eugene Worth wrote: > > Nice Christmas present, indeed. I?m looking on eBay for a US-122 or US-144. Actually B&H Audio still has some ?new? but discontinued ones for $99.00. > > The point of this message is that we have an expert on this list ? Jim Brown, K9YC. > > Have a look at his website, http://k9yc.com and/or Google for ?USB Audio Interfaces for Digital Modes.? It took me a couple of reads of this paper to get the gist of the message. I looked at the TASCAM unit and went, ?Ooooohhhh, I?m not so sure I?m smart enough.? But, read the paper again. You?ll need a couple of connectors to go from 1/8? stereo to 1/4? stereo plug, but most of it will be intuitive. The knobs on the sound card take the place of the sliders in Windows sound set up or Mac Sound Settings ? He even gives you 3 or 4 ways to make sure that your sound card won?t overdrive the radio. > > Cheers! > > gene > WG7GW > >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:20:15 -0700 >> From: Robert Nobis >> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sound card suggestions - TASCAM 366 >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> A few weeks ago, my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I said a TASCAM 122 USB Interface. Instead I received a TASCAM 366. She checked on line and the 122 was listed as discontinued and replaced by the 366, so she ordered the 366. >> >> So now I have a TASCAM 366, which has significantly more capability that I really need. Anyway I will try to use it with my K3 for JT65 and JT9 operation. I am wondering, however, if anyone on this reflector has any experience with the 366 and could provide some hints for proper setup and operation. >> >> Thanks and Merry Christmas. >> >> 73, >> >> >> Bob - N7RJN >> n7rjn at nobis.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net From vk3zmf at bigpond.com Sat Dec 27 02:26:54 2014 From: vk3zmf at bigpond.com (Mark Forsyth) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:26:54 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <00a001d021a6$7da9eb80$78fdc280$@bigpond.com> G'day Carl, If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while you make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit your voice. I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft page - it's at http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft and with the help of another operator finally came up with the following :- -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ. Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering. With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio. Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl > J?n Denbow > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. > What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a > fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks > like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element > box at the end of the boom. > > Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > > 73, > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to vk3zmf at bigpond.com From w7aqk at cox.net Sat Dec 27 04:54:32 2014 From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 02:54:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? Message-ID: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> Carl, Are you sure you have the the menus set correctly? For the Heil Pro Set (?IC? model) MIC BIAS should be ?on? and MIC BTN should be ?off?. I have one of those Heil Pro Set (IC) models, but haven?t tried it, or my Yamaha CM500, on the KX3. I use the MH3. The manual suggests that you can just plug the standard 3 ring ?mini? plug into the jack and it will work, but you do need to set the bias. It just sounds like you might not be getting proper bias. If you have a ?computer? headset around you might try that. Most of those are electrets. I just wonder if the plug is ?seating? properly so that everything is making proper contact. I?d be tempted to make up a 3 ring mini to 4 ring mini pigtail. I?ve read that some of the 3 ring mini plugs tend to vary slightly in actual size. If that?s true, they might not seat properly into a 4 ring jack. Dave W7AQK From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat Dec 27 07:26:15 2014 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:26:15 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Control Message-ID: <549EA567.6040506@horizon.co.fk> It is also useful to remember that you don't need the control line if the internal PR6 P2 jumper is in place. That will at least get you up and running until you can make the appropriate pin 11 connection. As usual, it's all in the PR6 manual. http://www.winfordeng.com/ is an interesting source of all sorts of breakout products and cables Regards, Mike VP8NO On 27/12/2014 02:32, Jack Brindle wrote: > It is also very important to use the small disconnect adapter that came with the cable kit to make sure the pin 11 connection is not made at the KPA500. Pin 11 of the KPA500 is not compatible with the PR6's control pin, and must not be connected to it. > > - Jack Brindle, W6FB > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: >> >> Hi Joe, >> If you purchased the KPAK3AUX cable set with your KPA500 you should have a 15-pin Y-cable adapter. If not you can get one from Elecraft or another vendor. Be sure to NOT use a VGA y-cable. >> Simply put the y-cable on the back of the K3 and plug the control cable for the PR6 into one leg and the KPA into the other. >> >> Cheers and 73, >> Fred KE7X >> Author of: >> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" >> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" >> "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" >> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com >> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide >> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide >> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation >> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners >> >> KE7X >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Carter >> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 6:35 PM >> To: Elecraft >> Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp - "control connection" >> >> My wonderful XYL gave me the PR6 for Christmas - trying to figure out how to connect the "control wire" as I have the cable to the KAT500 / KPA500 already in the ACC socket - the instructions say if the ACC is in use to just connect the control wire to pin 11. >> Anyone have an easy way to do this? >> I have the Elecraft cables which are all molded so no access to the back of the connectors. >> I can't seem to find a "VGA" breakout box. >> Thanks es 73. >> de Joe, w9jc From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 08:04:03 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:04:03 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <549eae3e.25e9340a.33c9.6cfb@mx.google.com> Incredible But just one of the links I need is not working :-( http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup %20With%20Dell%20&%20Lenovo%20Computers.pdf Anyone downloaded this file that can send it to me? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Bruce & Gab [mailto:ockmrzr at verizon.net] Enviado el: s?bado, 27 de diciembre de 2014 12:15 a.m. Para: 'Jorge Diez - CX6VM'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: RE: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help http://www.n3me.net/howto.htm Here is another link with step by step instructions for N1MM and MMTTY. Also, AA5AU's is still there, he has done a major rebuild and if you just snoop around, you'll find what you need. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 20:26 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Hello I appreciate information also. I am using K3 + N1MM + MMTTY + Tascam soundcard and can RX but I couldn?t transmit on the K3 http://www.aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf seems is broken 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Bruce & Gab Enviado el: viernes, 26 de diciembre de 2014 04:29 p.m. Para: 'Steve Lett'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help http://www.k5nd.net/2013/08/fsk-interface/ Check out K5NDs link above. He shows a simple schematic for a RTTY (FSK) interface and the setting for the K3, N1MM, and MMTTY. 73 de Bruce, N7TY White Plains, MD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Lett Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 13:18 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help I have a new K3. I very much like the quality of this radio but it is over my non-technical head. Are there step-by-step instructions that would tell me how to configure the radio for RTTY using MMTTY software? I am also looking for easy to follow instructions to configure CW using CWDecoder software? Thank you. Steve, KB3TAW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ockmrzr at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! 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Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 27 08:26:59 2014 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:26:59 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <549eae3e.25e9340a.33c9.6cfb@mx.google.com> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> <549eae3e.25e9340a.33c9.6cfb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> Try this one, Jorge, http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup%20with%20Lenovo.pdf Otherwise you could just use http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/ and pick the file you want to use. Dell was no longer there in the file name... that why it didn't work. 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2014-12-27 14:04 schreef Jorge Diez - CX6VM: > http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup > %20With%20Dell%20&%20Lenovo%20Computers.pdf From goldtr8 at charter.net Sat Dec 27 08:35:22 2014 From: goldtr8 at charter.net (Kd8nnu) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? Message-ID: Compresdion at 25 seems high compared to my setup. ?I use 17 on mine which gives 10 db according to the display. ? How many db is 25 with your setup i am curious as i have the same mic. Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4.
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From: Mark Forsyth
Date:12/27/2014 1:26 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Carl J?n Denbow' ,elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element?
G'day Carl, If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while you make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit your voice. I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft page - it's at http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft and with the help of another operator finally came up with the following :- -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ. Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering. With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio. Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl > J?n Denbow > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio reports. > What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a > fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It looks > like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the element > box at the end of the boom. > > Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > > 73, > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to vk3zmf at bigpond.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net From jbc5 at case.edu Sat Dec 27 09:12:30 2014 From: jbc5 at case.edu (Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:12:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamp control - Thanks to all! Message-ID: Duh! Completely forgot about the "Y" cable - found it in my bin of cables and all is good. I really appreciate all the help and responses. Love this group and my Elecraft rigs. 73 de Joe, w9jc From h3cary at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 10:25:26 2014 From: h3cary at gmail.com (H. Cary) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:25:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Piglet Message-ID: Santa brought me an iPadAir for Xmas and I'd like to sync it w/ a Piglet (Pignology product) for CW and digital modes as shown in Sept. 2013 CQ article and to use w/ HamLog. The Piglet has an RS-232 male connector and my IPad has a lightening connector at the iPad w/ a USB connector at the other end. Surely there must be an adapter plug to connect these two varieties (USB/RS-232) but my on-line search hasn't found one. Has anyone on the reflector successfully put together a similar setup and could point me in the right direction? 73 & Happy New Year, Cary, K4TM Sent from Clovelly Cottage, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most creative Sue Cary, with my iPhone 6 in Lynchburg VA - a great place to live, work, play, and retire! From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 10:39:09 2014 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:39:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Piglet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cary, I no longer have a Piglet, but if my ?rememberer? is correct, the iPad connects to the Piglet via WLAN. The Piglet connects to the K3 (or other radio) via the RS232 port. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Dec 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, H. Cary wrote: > > Santa brought me an iPadAir for Xmas and I'd like to sync it w/ a Piglet (Pignology product) for CW and digital modes as shown in Sept. 2013 CQ article and to use w/ HamLog. > The Piglet has an RS-232 male connector and my IPad has a lightening connector at the iPad w/ a USB connector at the other end. Surely there must be an adapter plug to connect these two varieties (USB/RS-232) but my on-line search hasn't found one. > > Has anyone on the reflector successfully put together a similar setup and could point me in the right direction? > > 73 & Happy New Year, > Cary, K4TM > > Sent from Clovelly Cottage, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most creative Sue Cary, with my iPhone 6 in Lynchburg VA - a great place to live, work, play, and retire! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joel.b.black at gmail.com From w0eb at cox.net Sat Dec 27 10:41:27 2014 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:41:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Piglet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The piglet does not need a connection to the iPad. It connects via WiFi, either through your home wireless network or direct, depending on how you set it up. Set up instructions are either in the Piglet's book or in their on-line instructions on www.pignology.net I don't have one right now, but it's relatively easy to set up. You gotta follow the exact directions from pignology though to get it working. The RS-232 cable connection is only to connect the Piglet to the radio or to the computer for special programming. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "H. Cary" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 12/27/2014 9:25:26 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Piglet >Santa brought me an iPadAir for Xmas and I'd like to sync it w/ a >Piglet (Pignology product) for CW and digital modes as shown in Sept. >2013 CQ article and to use w/ HamLog. >The Piglet has an RS-232 male connector and my IPad has a lightening >connector at the iPad w/ a USB connector at the other end. Surely there >must be an adapter plug to connect these two varieties (USB/RS-232) but >my on-line search hasn't found one. > >Has anyone on the reflector successfully put together a similar setup >and could point me in the right direction? > >73 & Happy New Year, >Cary, K4TM > >Sent from Clovelly Cottage, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the >most creative Sue Cary, with my iPhone 6 in Lynchburg VA - a great >place to live, work, play, and retire! >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 10:48:54 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:48:54 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> <549eae3e.25e9340a.33c9.6cfb@mx.google.com> <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <549ed4e3.a3b8340a.39cb.7f1a@mx.google.com> Thanks Peter Will setup with all this instructions and see what happens Thanks! Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) [mailto:pa0pje at xs4all.nl] Enviado el: s?bado, 27 de diciembre de 2014 11:27 a.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Try this one, Jorge, http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup%20with%20Lenovo.pdf Otherwise you could just use http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/ and pick the file you want to use. Dell was no longer there in the file name... that why it didn't work. 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2014-12-27 14:04 schreef Jorge Diez - CX6VM: > http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%2 > 0Setup %20With%20Dell%20&%20Lenovo%20Computers.pdf --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From hb9anm at bluewin.ch Sat Dec 27 11:54:30 2014 From: hb9anm at bluewin.ch (Richard - HB9ANM) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:54:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 can no longer be powered on Message-ID: <549EE446.7050000@bluewin.ch> My friend Peter HB9AAZ received his KX3 four days ago. It worked fine, RX and TX without problems. Suddenly, pressing XMIT switched it off completely and now it cannot be powered on again. And yes, a dummy load was connected to it. What could have happened? Any help will be greatly appreciated. 73 Richard -- HB9ANM From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 12:14:49 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:14:49 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> <549eae3e.25e9340a.33c9.6cfb@mx.google.com> <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <549ee906.0305350a.27fc.7fd7@mx.google.com> -----Mensaje original----- De: Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) [mailto:pa0pje at xs4all.nl] Enviado el: s?bado, 27 de diciembre de 2014 11:27 a.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Try this one, Jorge, http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup%20with%20Lenovo.pdf Otherwise you could just use http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/ and pick the file you want to use. Dell was no longer there in the file name... that why it didn't work. 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2014-12-27 14:04 schreef Jorge Diez - CX6VM: > http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%2 > 0Setup %20With%20Dell%20&%20Lenovo%20Computers.pdf --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 12:19:51 2014 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 15:19:51 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> <016701d0217a$f1560ea0$d4022be0$@verizon.net> <549eae3e.25e9340a.33c9.6cfb@mx.google.com> <549EB3A3.8020907@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <549eea33.e772340a.1b45.ffff8c21@mx.google.com> Peter I have it working now, thanks But I connected LINE IN and OUT from K3, directly to my computer, and is transmitting So the problem I have with the TASCAM US-144 MKII is that I don?t know where to connect this cables on it :-) I have them connected to LINE IN and PHONES (that use 3.5mm connectors) but didn?t TX So now if someone that use TASCAM that can help me to know where to connect the cables Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) [mailto:pa0pje at xs4all.nl] Enviado el: s?bado, 27 de diciembre de 2014 11:27 a.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Try this one, Jorge, http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup%20with%20Lenovo.pdf Otherwise you could just use http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/ and pick the file you want to use. Dell was no longer there in the file name... that why it didn't work. 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2014-12-27 14:04 schreef Jorge Diez - CX6VM: > http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%2 > 0Setup %20With%20Dell%20&%20Lenovo%20Computers.pdf --- Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. http://www.avast.com From wb4jfi at knology.net Sat Dec 27 12:35:42 2014 From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:35:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Piglet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Cary, If I understand your question, you are trying to physically connect the Piglet to the iPad. That's not the way it works. The Piglet connects to your K3 via the RS232 connector, that way it can control the K3 via the standard K3 control interface. The Piglet connects to the iPad via wifi. There are a couple of different ways to do that. You can either connect both the iPad and the Piglet to your wifi router (called infrastructure mode if I remember), or you can connect the iPad directly to the Piglet, also via wifi. There are complete details on how to set either of these up on the pignology web site. This works very nicely. 73, Happy New Year, and good luck! Terry, WB4JFI -----Original Message----- From: H. Cary Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:25 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & Piglet Santa brought me an iPadAir for Xmas and I'd like to sync it w/ a Piglet (Pignology product) for CW and digital modes as shown in Sept. 2013 CQ article and to use w/ HamLog. The Piglet has an RS-232 male connector and my IPad has a lightening connector at the iPad w/ a USB connector at the other end. Surely there must be an adapter plug to connect these two varieties (USB/RS-232) but my on-line search hasn't found one. Has anyone on the reflector successfully put together a similar setup and could point me in the right direction? 73 & Happy New Year, Cary, K4TM Sent from Clovelly Cottage, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most creative Sue Cary, with my iPhone 6 in Lynchburg VA - a great place to live, work, play, and retire! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb4jfi at knology.net From eb1bsv at ure.es Sat Dec 27 12:42:56 2014 From: eb1bsv at ure.es (=?utf-8?Q?Julio_C=C3=A9sar_Garc=C3=ADa_Mahillo?=) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:42:56 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Ken and Rose Message-ID: <4C61F7EA-26D3-48D7-B4E6-13828EA1B941@ure.es> Hello Ken and Rose, I am EB1BSV, Julio from Spain. I contacted to you last year to order some bags and it was then when I heard that you were passing through all this hard process. I even talked to Ken on the phone. I do not know if you remember. Now I am quite happy to hear that Rose is doing well and that the worst part is over now. So, I hope you , both, have a very Happy Christmas, my best wishes for you and your family. Julio Eb1bsv From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 13:05:55 2014 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:05:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help Message-ID: <7pk7fhtucdos43fpni6nyite.1419703555650@email.android.com> Line out from K3 to Tascam line in. Line in from K3 to Tascam line out or headphones. Only connection from Tascam to computer is USB. My experience with Tascam was you MUST update both Tascam driver and Tascam firmware from Tascam web site before it will work properly. 73 Eric WD6DBM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >Peter > >I have it working now, thanks > >But I connected LINE IN and OUT from K3, directly to my computer, and is transmitting > >So the problem I have with the TASCAM US-144 MKII is that I don?t know where to connect this cables on it :-) > >I have them connected to LINE IN and PHONES (that use 3.5mm connectors) but didn?t TX > >So now if someone that use TASCAM that can help me to know where to connect the cables > >Thanks, >Jorge >CX6VM/CW5W > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) [mailto:pa0pje at xs4all.nl] >Enviado el: s?bado, 27 de diciembre de 2014 11:27 a.m. >Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help > >Try this one, Jorge, > >http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup%20with%20Lenovo.pdf > >Otherwise you could just use >http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/ >and pick the file you want to use. > >Dell was no longer there in the file name... that why it didn't work. > >73, >Peter - PA0PJE > >Op 2014-12-27 14:04 schreef Jorge Diez - CX6VM: >> http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/MMTTY%20v1.68A%20and%20Elecraft%20K3%2 >> 0Setup %20With%20Dell%20&%20Lenovo%20Computers.pdf > > >--- >Este mensaje no contiene virus ni malware porque la protecci?n de avast! Antivirus est? activa. >http://www.avast.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Dec 27 17:03:50 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 14:03:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 can no longer be powered on Message-ID: It sounds like the radio is not getting any power. I would suspect the power supply and cables before suspecting a problem with the radio. ?Have the easy things been eliminated as the problem? ? Is the power supply good? ?Has a fuse in the power supply been blown? ?Is there voltage at the radio end of the power cable? The problem is often with the coaxial power connector. ?If the operator isn't using the cable supplied by Elecraft, it may not make reliable connection with the radio. ?There are a lot of connectors on the market that are close to 2.1mm, but really don't work. ?I found one that had all the right diameters, but was simply too short. There was also a problem with early KX3's with the connectors pulling away from the PC board, but if his radio is new, that shouldn't be the problem.? Mark, KE6BB? ?? From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 27 19:28:28 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 can no longer be powered on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549F4EAC.6020008@embarqmail.com> There are 2 sizes of coaxial power connectors - 2.1mm center pin and 2.5mm center pin. All Elecraft gear uses the 2.1mm size. If you have used the power connector supplied by Elecraft, then it should be correct. OTOH, if you used a different power plug (perhaps salvaged from a wall-wart), check the size of the center pin. If you have some #12 solid wire you can do a quick test. The #12 wire will fit into the center of a 2.5mm plug, but will not fit into a 2.1mm plug. (#14 wire will fit snug in the 2.1mm plug). I recommend using #16 wire from the power supply to the KX3, especially if the length exceeds 4 feet. While the #18 wire supplied by Elecraft is quite adequate, #16 wire will have less voltage drop during periods of higher current (Transmit conditions). 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2014 5:03 PM, Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft wrote: > The problem is often with the coaxial power connector. If the operator isn't using the cable supplied by Elecraft, it may not make reliable connection with the radio. There are a lot of connectors on the market that are close to 2.1mm, but really don't work. I found one that had all the right diameters, but was simply too short. > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 27 19:46:50 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:46:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY-CW Help In-Reply-To: <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> References: <000601d02138$447f4120$cd7dc360$@com> <014c01d02139$d76f4330$864dc990$@verizon.net> <549e0aab.a53f340a.9a9a.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <549F52FA.5030405@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/26/2014 5:26 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > I appreciate information also. I am using K3 + N1MM + MMTTY + Tascam > soundcard and can RX but I couldn?t transmit on the K3 Hello Jorge, How do you put the K3 in TX mode? There are two ways -- VOX or via an additional serial port? I use VOX. To use VOX is pretty easy. Set levels according to my applications note. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf Set the K3 for AFSK-A. Set the RTTY tones in MMTTY and the K3 to the same frequency, and make sure both are set to 45 baud. In MMTTY, select your Tascam sound card for both TX and RX. Also, in the MMTTY Options Tab, select left or right channel for RX, depending on which channel the radio feeds. Feed audio from the Tascam to the Line Input. Follow instructions in the K3 manual to set the Line Input control. The Mic Gain becomes the Line Input control in digital modes. To set the VOX, put MMTTY in TX mode (send anything) and adjust the VOX gain until the K3 goes into TX. This is not exactly step by step, but it covers most the things that can prevent you from transmitting. :) 73, Jim K9YC From phils at riousa.com Sat Dec 27 21:24:06 2014 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:24:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: <20FCA442-4932-4E20-95C0-0B92351A6C07@riousa.com> The weekly Elecraft SSB net is tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. Stop by. 73, Phil, NS7P NCS from Oregon From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Dec 27 23:06:48 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:06:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 can no longer be powered on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have managed to blow fuses in my battery power supply by shorting the unconnected 2.1mm center female power plug. On some of these connectors, the center female section protrudes out of the end of the plug. This piece of the plug is easy to short to ground. Elecraft recommends connecting the power plug to the KX3 before turning on the power supply, which is good advice. If your power supply is always on, like my batteries, be really careful about shorts and carry spare fuses. There may be a blown fuse in your power supply. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/27/14 at 2:03 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft) wrote: >It sounds like the radio is not getting any power. I would >suspect the power supply and cables before suspecting a problem >with the radio. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"We used to quip that "password" is the most common 408-356-8506 | password. Now it's 'password1.' Who said users haven't www.pwpconsult.com | learned anything about security?" -- Bruce Schneier From acdmeagher at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 01:35:07 2014 From: acdmeagher at gmail.com (Chris Meagher) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:35:07 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] tascam interface Message-ID: Hi Belfield audio in Aus.has 2 of newTascam US-125M available at $99 on ebay, not sure if they post international.) might be of interest to au elecraft owners. (I just bought the 3rd) Chris VK2ACD From hb9anm at bluewin.ch Sun Dec 28 05:32:01 2014 From: hb9anm at bluewin.ch (Richard - HB9ANM) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:32:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 can no longer be powered on - FIXED! Message-ID: <549FDC21.7060604@bluewin.ch> Thanks, Don. That was spot on! Peter was using a Rig Runner and a cable (with a PowerPole connector) with a 2.5 mm plug on the KX3 side? He wanted to spare the standard power cable for portable operation. Now everything is OK and he is enjoying his new KX3. And thanks to all who responded either by e-mail or on the Reflector! tnx, vy 73 es hny! Richard ? HB9ANM From vk3zmf at bigpond.com Sun Dec 28 07:23:41 2014 From: vk3zmf at bigpond.com (Mark Forsyth) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:23:41 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009201d02299$1e17a0b0$5a46e210$@bigpond.com> The next segment after the "10" on the CMP scale occasionally flashes. Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kd8nnu [mailto:goldtr8 at charter.net] > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:35 AM > To: vk3zmf at bigpond.com; 'Carl J?n Denbow'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > Compresdion at 25 seems high compared to my setup. I use 17 on mine > which gives 10 db according to the display. How many db is 25 with your > setup i am curious as i have the same mic. > > > > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark Forsyth > Date:12/27/2014 1:26 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: 'Carl J?n Denbow' ,elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > G'day Carl, > > If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound > pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while > you make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit > your voice. > > I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft page - > it's at http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things- > elecraft and with the help of another operator finally came up with the > following :- > > -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ. > Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and > occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering. > > With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio. > > Cheers, > Mark F... > VK3ZMF / VK3KW > KX3 with the lot # 1675 > KXPA100 # 530 > PX3 # 233 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > > Carl J?n Denbow > > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? > > > > I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster > > audio > reports. > > What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's > > a fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. > > It > looks > > like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the > element > > box at the end of the boom. > > > > Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. > > > > 73, > > Carl > > > > ================================================= > > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > > 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > > > carl at n8vz.com > > www.n8vz.com > > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > > ================================================= > > > __________________________________________________________ > > ____ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to vk3zmf at bigpond.com > > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 28 07:45:19 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 can no longer be powered on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <549FFB5F.4020205@embarqmail.com> Switchcraft plugs do not have that problem, the center pin is slightly recessed. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2014 11:06 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I have managed to blow fuses in my battery power supply by shorting > the unconnected 2.1mm center female power plug. On some of these > connectors, the center female section protrudes out of the end of the > plug. This piece of the plug is easy to short to ground. Elecraft > recommends connecting the power plug to the KX3 before turning on the > power supply, which is good advice. If your power supply is always on, > like my batteries, be really careful about shorts and carry spare fuses. > > There may be a blown fuse in your power supply. > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Dec 28 14:25:56 2014 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:25:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <54A05944.2080906@coho.net> Good Day, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From phystad at mac.com Sun Dec 28 15:00:27 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:00:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3PA100 with Antenna Tuner Utility Program Message-ID: <87652EC1-F272-418C-9070-F7D7F705B232@mac.com> I currently do not have the KX3PA100 nor have I downloaded the utility program. But, I have a quick and easy question for those who have the KX3PA100 with antenna tuner: Does the utility program (KX3PA100 Utility Program) include the same kinds of information (operate form) and configuration page as the KAT500 Utility Program (which I do have)? Thanks. 73, phil, K7PEH From phystad at mac.com Sun Dec 28 15:23:50 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:23:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3PA100 with Antenna Tuner Utility Program In-Reply-To: <003901d022d9$ff1d6af0$fd5840d0$@elecraft.com> References: <87652EC1-F272-418C-9070-F7D7F705B232@mac.com> <003901d022d9$ff1d6af0$fd5840d0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <736AA870-9558-4A61-880D-74A617FD91BD@mac.com> Dick, Thanks. One thing not shown (or maybe not displayed as you grabbed the image). That would be the tuned SWR, maybe something like 1.4:1 and the Bypass SWR. I assume that might be displayed under the Tune panel of the operate tab. 73, phil > On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > > It's called the KXPA Utility, and you can install it from our web site even before you order your KXPA100. > > The operate page is a bit busier than the one in the KAT500 Utility because it has information about the amplifier as well as the optional antenna tuner. It?s somewhat of a merge of the KPA500 and KAT500 operate pages. > > Here's a screen shot of that page from KXPA Utility Help (I can't send the image to the reflector) > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:00 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3PA100 with Antenna Tuner Utility Program > > I currently do not have the KX3PA100 nor have I downloaded the utility program. But, I have a quick and easy question for those who have the KX3PA100 with antenna tuner: > > Does the utility program (KX3PA100 Utility Program) include the same kinds of information (operate form) and configuration page as the KAT500 Utility Program (which I do have)? > > Thanks. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From phystad at mac.com Sun Dec 28 15:24:58 2014 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:24:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3PA100 with Antenna Tuner Utility Program In-Reply-To: <736AA870-9558-4A61-880D-74A617FD91BD@mac.com> References: <87652EC1-F272-418C-9070-F7D7F705B232@mac.com> <003901d022d9$ff1d6af0$fd5840d0$@elecraft.com> <736AA870-9558-4A61-880D-74A617FD91BD@mac.com> Message-ID: Dick, Excuse me, I do see "last SWR" under the amplifier section, is there a bypass SWR? phil > On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Dick, > > Thanks. One thing not shown (or maybe not displayed as you grabbed the image). That would be the tuned SWR, maybe something like 1.4:1 and the Bypass SWR. I assume that might be displayed under the Tune panel of the operate tab. > > 73, phil > >> On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >> >> It's called the KXPA Utility, and you can install it from our web site even before you order your KXPA100. >> >> The operate page is a bit busier than the one in the KAT500 Utility because it has information about the amplifier as well as the optional antenna tuner. It?s somewhat of a merge of the KPA500 and KAT500 operate pages. >> >> Here's a screen shot of that page from KXPA Utility Help (I can't send the image to the reflector) >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad >> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:00 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3PA100 with Antenna Tuner Utility Program >> >> I currently do not have the KX3PA100 nor have I downloaded the utility program. But, I have a quick and easy question for those who have the KX3PA100 with antenna tuner: >> >> Does the utility program (KX3PA100 Utility Program) include the same kinds of information (operate form) and configuration page as the KAT500 Utility Program (which I do have)? >> >> Thanks. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From kb2m at arrl.net Sun Dec 28 16:31:20 2014 From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:31:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 Message-ID: <002801d022e5$9f6b7820$de426860$@net> I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair setup. It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I have DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the control K3/0 mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the cable mod for the KPA500. I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, but not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. The issue is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the remote K3. I see a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, but not sure it's for an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this problem? Any suggestions ? Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to power the remote equipment on and off... 73 Jeff kb2m From kevinemtid at tvcconnect.net Sun Dec 28 16:55:14 2014 From: kevinemtid at tvcconnect.net (NZ1I) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:55:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XV 222/432 both turn on Message-ID: <1419803714100-7596461.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Folks, I am adding the xv 432 to my K2 station. I have previously setup and run the other three- XV 50, 144, and 222, without any problems. Upon adding the XV 432 to ADR 4 and TRN 4, Both the XV 222 and 432 light up when I go to TRN 3 for the 222 txvr. When I go to TRN 4, both go out and 432 still does not work. I have checked all the Switches inside the XV's so that are set properly, i .e. 1 on for xv 50, 2 on for xv 144, 3 on for xv 222 and 4 on for xv 432. If I operate the xv 432 or 222 by itself they seem to work fine. Any help would be Appreciated!! 73, Kevin NZ1I K2 # 7362 all bells and whistles -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/XV-222-432-both-turn-on-tp7596461.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From carl at n8vz.com Sun Dec 28 17:40:18 2014 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> Message-ID: <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> Dave, et al: Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous settings that my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail that you suggested might cure the problem. I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare reports once that arrives. 73, Carl dyarnes wrote: > Carl, > > Are you sure you have the the menus set correctly? For the Heil Pro Set (?IC? model) MIC BIAS should be ?on? and MIC BTN should be ?off?. I have one of those Heil Pro Set (IC) models, but haven?t tried it, or my Yamaha CM500, on the KX3. I use the MH3. The manual suggests that you can just plug the standard 3 ring ?mini? plug into the jack and it will work, but you do need to set the bias. It just sounds like you might not be getting proper bias. > > If you have a ?computer? headset around you might try that. Most of those are electrets. I just wonder if the plug is ?seating? properly so that everything is making proper contact. I?d be tempted to make up a 3 ring mini to 4 ring mini pigtail. I?ve read that some of the 3 ring mini plugs tend to vary slightly in actual size. If that?s true, they might not seat properly into a 4 ring jack. > > Dave W7AQK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From carl at n8vz.com Sun Dec 28 17:55:41 2014 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:55:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <00a001d021a6$7da9eb80$78fdc280$@bigpond.com> References: <549DF724.1070103@n8vz.com> <00a001d021a6$7da9eb80$78fdc280$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <54A08A6D.809@n8vz.com> Thanks, Mark. I did have a local listen after I made some adjustments, but I didn't make adjustments in real time as he was listening. I think that'll have to be the next step. I did try to adjust EQ settings, as detailed in another message. But, I'll give your settings a try, also -- they are a little more aggressive than the one's tried. I do find it interesting that the MH3 mic got better on-the-air reviews without any EQ adjustment than, so far, I've gotten from the Heil Proset, with adjustments. I hope your more aggressive settings will turn the tide of battle! ;-) 73 de Carl, N8VZ Mark Forsyth wrote: > G'day Carl, > > If you get aggressive with TX EQ you can make the Heil iC element sound > pretty good. If you can get someone who knows your voice to listen while you > make adjustments you should be able to come up with settings that suit your > voice. > > I started out with the settings outlined on the Heil All things Elecraft > page - it's at > http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft and > with the help of another operator finally came up with the following :- > > -16, -16, -06, +00, +06, +12, +12 and +09 for TXEQ. > Compression is at 25 and mic gain is high enough to have the fifth, and > occasionally the sixth, ALC bar flickering. > > With those settings I often get unsolicited reports of very good audio. > > Cheers, > Mark F... > VK3ZMF / VK3KW > KX3 with the lot # 1675 > KXPA100 # 530 > PX3 # 233 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl >> J?n Denbow >> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:03 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? >> >> I have a Heil Proset with the ic element. I get fairly lack luster audio > reports. >> What would be the best replacement element to use? I assume that it's a >> fairly simple operation to replace the ic element with another one. It > looks >> like there are just two phillips screws holding on the cover of the > element >> box at the end of the boom. >> >> Any and all ideas, experiences, etc., appreciated. >> >> 73, >> Carl >> >> ================================================= >> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >> 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >> >> carl at n8vz.com >> www.n8vz.com >> EM89wh >> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >> PSK and JT65 Forever! >> ================================================= >> __________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >> delivered to vk3zmf at bigpond.com > -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Sun Dec 28 17:59:11 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:59:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? Message-ID: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> Hey Guys, It's one of those days....goes great until one cannot find something even after scanning the K3 manual and Fred Cadey's book three times! !@#$!@#$ Using control F to scan through the manual for scraps of REV didn't find love. Now I assume it means reverse.....but how did it get into the display "REV" ??? I'm have been running RTTY with a code key..........nice feature that works well..................then went looking for some RTTY on 17 meters and found this "REV" artifact in upper right of the LCB......just on 17 meters. How do I turn it off.............??? when/where? Uncle Phil, W0XI --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From fcady at ece.montana.edu Sun Dec 28 18:04:21 2014 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:04:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? In-Reply-To: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> References: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E55F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Hi Phil, Check out the index Icon -> REV which will lead you to page 98 in the Reducing Interference Section (2nd edition). Cheers, Fred KE7X > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Phil Anderson > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 3:59 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? > > Hey Guys, > > It's one of those days....goes great until one cannot find something > even after scanning the K3 manual and Fred Cadey's book three times! > !@#$!@#$ Using control F to scan through the manual for scraps of REV > didn't find love. > > Now I assume it means reverse.....but how did it get into the display > "REV" ??? > I'm have been running RTTY with a code key..........nice feature that > works well..................then went looking for some RTTY on 17 > meters and found this "REV" artifact in upper right of the > LCB......just on 17 meters. > > How do I turn it off.............??? when/where? > > Uncle Phil, W0XI > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Dec 28 18:06:18 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:06:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E55F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E55F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <1419807978465-7596466.post@n2.nabble.com> Hit REV button #2 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-is-REV-next-to-VFO-A-LCD-indicator-tp7596464p7596466.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dick at elecraft.com Sun Dec 28 18:08:33 2014 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:08:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? In-Reply-To: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> References: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <004c01d022f3$3443cbc0$9ccb6340$@elecraft.com> Hold the ALT button (the left side of the MODE button, 2nd down from the top left). This swaps between USB/LSB, CW/CW REV, DATA/DATA REV, AM and AM/Sync, and FM and FM+ / - K3 Owner's manual, page 12, bottom left under "Mode Icons". 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Anderson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 2:59 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? Hey Guys, It's one of those days....goes great until one cannot find something even after scanning the K3 manual and Fred Cadey's book three times! !@#$!@#$ Using control F to scan through the manual for scraps of REV didn't find love. Now I assume it means reverse.....but how did it get into the display "REV" ??? I'm have been running RTTY with a code key..........nice feature that works well..................then went looking for some RTTY on 17 meters and found this "REV" artifact in upper right of the LCB......just on 17 meters. How do I turn it off.............??? when/where? Uncle Phil, W0XI --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 18:14:59 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:14:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <1419808499350-7596468.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Carl, It's a common mistake to believe that the more expensive Heil should sound better than less expensive alternatives. I think you will be very pleasantly surprised with on-air comparisons to the CM500. 73, Mike K2MK Carl J?n Denbow wrote > Dave, et al: > > Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the > message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' > and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX > EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and > rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, > I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous settings that > my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added the the > Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ adjustments. > I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the Heil headset is, > obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. However, it's > possible that making the conversion pigtail that you suggested might > cure the problem. > > I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare > reports once that arrives. > > 73, > Carl -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Heil-Proset-KX3-Element-tp7596431p7596468.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Dec 28 18:47:33 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:47:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <1419808499350-7596468.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> <1419808499350-7596468.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: As most know, this has been well discussed in must about every radio forum out there. Mics are a personal preference and there are 2 camps in tailoring of mic audio. Those that want to ensure their audio gets through when conditions aren't the best (Let's just call it the Heil camp based on his studies of what the Ear hears thanks to the Bell Labs). If you are QRP, you may want to consider this path. The other is the more of the FM shaping, and that is the why you local neighbour liked that sound so much. This is more of the rag chewing group. Neither is wrong. Like I said, it is a personal preference. If you have haven't already, listen to this pod cast with Bob Heil. At some point in the podcast Bob does discuss how he modeled his SSB Mics based on the Bell Lab studies. It is worth the listen. http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/8 It is also really helpful if you can actually hear your transmitted audio. The flex guys can do this with a push of a button (record off air audio and play it back). I'm sure there are other radios that do that as well. Mike va3mw On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Carl, > > It's a common mistake to believe that the more expensive Heil should sound > better than less expensive alternatives. I think you will be very > pleasantly > surprised with on-air comparisons to the CM500. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Carl J?n Denbow wrote > > Dave, et al: > > > > Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the > > message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' > > and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX > > EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and > > rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, > > I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous settings that > > my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added the the > > Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ adjustments. > > I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the Heil headset is, > > obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. However, it's > > possible that making the conversion pigtail that you suggested might > > cure the problem. > > > > I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare > > reports once that arrives. > > > > 73, > > Carl > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Heil-Proset-KX3-Element-tp7596431p7596468.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From de.w6nek at verizon.net Sun Dec 28 18:53:08 2014 From: de.w6nek at verizon.net (W6NEK) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:53:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? References: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <4DFD6930A822495FB3ED116B06CCD36E@delli7> Hello Phil, On the K3 LCD, "REV" is reverse sideband for both CW and Data mode. It is selected by holding the "MODE" left down-arrow key (ALT) which will toggle REV sideband on and off (or lower/upper sideband). The same control is used to switch SSB to LSB, or USB. The REV function is a per-band mode setting. To turn off your 17 meter REV Data mode icon just press and hold the "MODE" left down-arrow (ALT). Frank - W6NEK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Anderson" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? > Hey Guys, > > It's one of those days....goes great until one cannot find something even > after scanning the K3 manual and Fred Cadey's book three times! !@#$!@#$ > Using control F to scan through the manual for scraps of REV didn't find > love. > > Now I assume it means reverse.....but how did it get into the display > "REV" ??? > I'm have been running RTTY with a code key..........nice feature that > works well..................then went looking for some RTTY on 17 meters > and found this "REV" artifact in upper right of the LCB......just on 17 > meters. > > How do I turn it off.............??? when/where? > > Uncle Phil, W0XI > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to de.w6nek at verizon.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:16:06 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? In-Reply-To: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> References: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <54A09D46.6040906@embarqmail.com> Uncle Phil, There are 2 different "REV"s and they are not related. First, the REV button - it will swap the VFOs for as long as you hold it. Handy when working SPLIT when you do not have the subRX installed - hold it to listen to the pileup, release it to hear the DX station. Second the the "REV" that appears on the right side of the display (near the mode indicator). That is the 'Reverse Sideband' and will be turned on or off by holding the ALT button (on the MODE rocker switch). You will see it in CW and DATA modes - other modes do different things when the ALT button is held. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2014 5:59 PM, Phil Anderson wrote: > Hey Guys, > > It's one of those days....goes great until one cannot find something > even after scanning the K3 manual and Fred Cadey's book three times! > !@#$!@#$ Using control F to scan through the manual for scraps of REV > didn't find love. > > Now I assume it means reverse.....but how did it get into the display > "REV" ??? > I'm have been running RTTY with a code key..........nice feature that > works well..................then went looking for some RTTY on 17 > meters and found this "REV" artifact in upper right of the > LCB......just on 17 meters. > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:25:22 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <54A09F72.9090104@embarqmail.com> Carl, Take note that Heil does not offer an adapter to use its microphones with the KX3. Need I say more? 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2014 5:40 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > Dave, et al: > > Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on > the message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS > "on' and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust > the TX EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by > 4db and rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these > adjustments, I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous > settings that my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added > the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ > adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the > Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of > equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail > that you suggested might cure the problem. > > I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare > reports once that arrives. > From johnn1jm at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:39:36 2014 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:39:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 still for sale Message-ID: <1419813576110-7596473.post@n2.nabble.com> KX3-K, #926 with roofing filter, 160/80M IMD factory upgrade, antenna tuner, KUSB, cable set, latest firmware, upgraded vfo A encoder, NO OTHER OPTIONS! Never portable or mobile, mostly used as a third receiver. PX3-K, #0563, 2 months old. All in like new condition with manuals and cables. Hardly used. Original owner, nonsmoking environment, $1450 shipped, USPS MO, PayPal plus fees. CONUS only, US based hams with US call signs only. NO TRADES! I will split them up. ----- 73, John N1JM K3 #5986 P3 #1752 KPA500 #596 KX3 #926 XG3 XG1 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-still-for-sale-tp7596473.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Dec 28 19:44:15 2014 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:44:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <54A09F72.9090104@embarqmail.com> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> <54A09F72.9090104@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Well heck, Elecraft has only sold eight or nine thousand KX3?s. Heil should wait until it is a sure thing. That is just good business. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Dec 28, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Carl, > > Take note that Heil does not offer an adapter to use its microphones with the KX3. > Need I say more? > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/28/2014 5:40 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >> Dave, et al: >> >> Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' and the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX EQ, which I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and rolling off 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, I've been told by a local ham who had heard the previous settings that my audio quality was improved; however, he quickly added the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded better even before the EQ adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this, since the Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail that you suggested might cure the problem. >> >> I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare reports once that arrives. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Dec 28 19:45:15 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Michael via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:45:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 unable to get a low null for SWR cal Message-ID: <4eafb.ce8a4f6.41d1fe1b@aol.com> Usually I can get a SWR null around 10 - 15 mV with the power level at 2W. For some reason I can only adjust it down to around 200 mV into a 50 Ohm dummy load. I have tried changing the diodes and U5 but they did not make a difference. Also rewound T4 using another toroid. Also noticed that when I disconnect the dummy load and transmit at the 2W adj level both FOR and REFL voltages are about the same (TP4 = 1.1Vdc, IC5 pin 7=1.1Vdc)! Shouldn't the VREFL be much higher then the VFWD? Both pots are adj to 27.8 kOhms for power calibration at 2W using a LP-100A. When transmitting 2W into 50 Ohm load (K2 display shows "2.1W 1.4:1") LP-100A shows approx. 2W SWR- 1.05:1 VFWD = 0.822 Vdc (IC5 pin 7) VREFL= 0.173 Vdc (IC5 TP4 ) Why is the K2 showing a much higher SWR then it should be showing? Could there be a problem with U6? I did not build this K2/100 and have found mistakes along the way then trying to get it working properly.... I can't seem to find any in this area yet though! Anyone have an idea what could be the problem? Thanks, Michael n2zdb From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Dec 28 19:48:23 2014 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:48:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <54A09F72.9090104@embarqmail.com> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> <54A09F72.9090104@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: That is because you don't need one. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf Mike va3mw On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Carl, > > Take note that Heil does not offer an adapter to use its microphones with > the KX3. > Need I say more? > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/28/2014 5:40 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > >> Dave, et al: >> >> Thanks for all the fine comments and feedback I've received both on the >> message board and by direct email message. I do have the MIC BIAS "on' and >> the MIC BTN "off." Another person suggested that I adjust the TX EQ, which >> I have done, basically boosting 2.4 KHz and above by 4db and rolling off >> 200Hz and below by 4db. After making these adjustments, I've been told by a >> local ham who had heard the previous settings that my audio quality was >> improved; however, he quickly added the the Elecraft MH3 mic still sounded >> better even before the EQ adjustments. I'm not exactly sure what to make >> of this, since the Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece >> of equipment. However, it's possible that making the conversion pigtail >> that you suggested might cure the problem. >> >> I do have a Yamaha CM500 on order. It'll be interesting to compare >> reports once that arrives. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 28 20:18:00 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:18:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <54A0ABC8.6030302@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/28/2014 2:40 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > Heil headset is, obviously, a much more expensive piece of equipment. Same as we say in the pro audio world about Bose -- "Better sound through marketing." It's ALL HYPE. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 28 20:27:11 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:27:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> <1419808499350-7596468.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54A0ADEF.6060203@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/28/2014 3:47 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > (Let's just call it the Heil camp based on his studies of what the > Ear hears thanks to the Bell Labs). That science is quite solid, but Bob Heil is hardly the only guy who knows about it-- we've been doing that with pro sound systems for nearly 60 years. And BTW -- that Bell Labs research dates back at least 100 years. That's how they settled on 500 Hz - 3 kHz bandwidth for telephone systems.We can do everything that Heil claims to do with ANY decent mic using nothing more than TXEQ. W2IHY sells outboard equalizers that do the same thing, but also for a lot of money. 73, Jim K9YC From jofarmer at mindspring.com Sun Dec 28 21:19:32 2014 From: jofarmer at mindspring.com (Jim Farmer) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:19:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Phone Plug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54A0BA34.7080405@mindspring.com> A trick I have used on male XLR connectors, and it would probably work on others too, is to use a good old reliable wooden pencil with an eraser on the end. Drill a hole in the eraser just big enough for the male pin to be pushed into it with a bit of force. Push the pin in and give the pencil a few turns, and the connector will look as good as new. I haven't found a similar trick for female connectors. jim Please ignore all the changes in font in my message - my email client does that just to mess with my head. Jim Farmer, K4BSE Mobile 678-640-0860 jofarmer at mindspring.com (spam blocked) Personal web site: http://home.mindspring.com/~jofarmer/index.html Boss lady: http://www.kathysflute.com/ Youngest daughter: http://www.joyfarmerclary.com/ "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight D. Eisenhower, Inaugural Address, January 20, 1953 On 12/25/2014 8:10 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > I ran into this years ago it turned out to be the Plug and not the jack. > a simple fix is to wrap a piece of fine sandpaper (600+ grit) and wrap it around the plug and twist. > Some plugs seem to have a slight film on them ant this removes it From w4das at comcast.net Sun Dec 28 22:14:39 2014 From: w4das at comcast.net (Doug Shields) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 MAB board available Message-ID: <008b01d02315$9572f9d0$c058ed70$@comcast.net> Hello everyone, From the last batch of K2 MAB (Miscellaneous Accessory Board) projects, I have one complete, assembled board available. This board has the K2 Internal Mic Adapter attached. It is ready to install with the required wiring cabling (only a few wires). A photo is available if desired to see what you will receive. The assembled, ready to install board is available for $100, including Priority Mail shipping in the US. International shipping is possible if you pay for shipping. I can accept Paypal. Let me know if you would like to receive the photo or if you have any questions. 73. Doug W4DAS Details on the K2 MAB can be seen at: http://www.genebitsystems.com/david/K2MiscAccessoryBoard/index.htm From ha4zd at t-online.hu Sun Dec 28 22:56:29 2014 From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?SXN0dsOhbiBTemFiw7M=?=) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 04:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset KX3 Element? In-Reply-To: References: <06944ACA19094089A8BF90D43392D3C1@TDYDell> <54A086D2.3040504@n8vz.com> <54A09F72.9090104@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54A0D0ED.1070702@t-online.hu> Heil Proset is great with K3 and KX3 both. Different settings but each sounds excellent. You may not like Proset on portable, it is large for that, use a small, light computer headset with electret element if you prefer VOX. I use a small Panasonic that requires more mic gain than than Proset. Istv?n ha4zd On 29/12/2014 01:48, Michael Walker wrote: > That is because you don't need one. > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf > > Mike va3mw > From kissov at me.com Sun Dec 28 23:36:52 2014 From: kissov at me.com (Richard Thorpe) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:36:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sat diciplined 10Mhz Message-ID: <8992BF98-7844-43FD-A39B-7845FDDFE926@me.com> For several years I?ve used an HP 58503A to give me a sat disciplined 10Mz to my K3. The other day it stopped functioning and I get a health err. and a sat err. and I cannot contact any sats. Is there anyone out there who knows more about these things and can fix one of these HP ?clocks?. I chose the HP over the Trimble Thunderbolt because I found control software for the HP that will work on the Mac. Thanks to all. R Thorpe K6CG From w6ux at ymail.com Sun Dec 28 23:45:21 2014 From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall, W6UX) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 20:45:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500/W2 order advice needed Message-ID: <5790B86D-29EE-42C6-B54F-A36DE232B3B5@ymail.com> Hi everyone, I presently have a K3/100 hooked up to a P3 and a Microkeyer II. I want to add three new Elecraft products to my lineup: KPA500 amp, KAT500 tuner, and the W2 watt meter. There are many options listed on the Elecraft ordering page and I'm not sure if I have all the necessary cabling options selected. Additionally I need advice on which directional couplers I should choose for the W2. Here are the items currently in my shopping cart: - KAT500-K (High Power ATU, Kit) - E850463 (KAT500 to KPA Aux Cable) - KPA500-K (500W Linear Amplifier, Kit) - KPAK3AUX (KPA to K3 AUX Cable) - CBL36UHF (36" Coax cable) (three: K3->W2, W2->KPA500, KPA500->KAT500) - PWR-US240a (US 240V Power Cord) -- extra, for future use when I have a 240v line - W2-K (W2 Wattmeter, Kit) - DHCF-200 (0.1-200W 1.8-54MHz directional coupler) - DHCF-2000a (1-2000w 1.8-53MHz directional coupler) So, have I forgotten anything critical to get everything connected? The Microkeyer II uses the RS-232 port on the P3 and the ACC port on the K3. The KPAK3AUX cable Kit includes a Y-cable for the ACC port so that should make room for the Microkeyer II to be inserted into the rest of the K-Line gear. I picked the 0.1-200W directional coupler as I wanted to put the W2 between the K3 and the KPA500. Is it worthwhile adding the second coupler for 1-2000w? I'm assuming you only use this if you want to place the W2 after the KAT500? Thank you all for any suggestions! Jeff Hall Not using encrypted e-mail? Please consider securing our future communications with free tools from GNU Privacy Guard (http://www.gnupg.org). My public encryption key can be downloaded here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB21BD4CB668F6897 From repair at willcoele.com Mon Dec 29 00:14:17 2014 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:14:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP and the Hamblaster Message-ID: <1419830057790-7596483.post@n2.nabble.com> I posted a few time on this mailing list about problems with the K3 DSP. I also mentioned a DSP Project and engineer and me worked on several years ago called "The Hamblaster". I also mentioned that I wrote a Windows based program that allowed me to control the Hamblaster. I decided to resurrect the program and using an Arduino, I hope to uprade the software and the old "ISA" based Hamblaster card to run on Win 7 and 8. The attached image is a screen shot of the Hamblaster Control Panel. Notice that there's freeze button for the noise reduction and the auto notch filter. I also mention on a previous post that years ago this was something we experimented with and found that when you engage the auto notch filter and it converges on the tone, once the tone is removed, there's no need to continually update the filter. The freeze button will halt the DSP/LMS algorithm and prevent it from converging on sinusoidal elements in the human speech. It would be nice it there was a way to freeze the K3's auto notch. ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-DSP-and-the-Hamblaster-tp7596483.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 29 08:13:03 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:13:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500/W2 order advice needed In-Reply-To: <5790B86D-29EE-42C6-B54F-A36DE232B3B5@ymail.com> References: <5790B86D-29EE-42C6-B54F-A36DE232B3B5@ymail.com> Message-ID: <54A1535F.5010607@embarqmail.com> Jeff, I am not sure why you want to locate the W2 directional coupler between the K3 and the KPA500, but that is your choice. As far as the high power coupler, what you wish to monitor will dictate where you place the coupler. If you place it between the KAT500 and the antenna, you would monitor the unmatched antenna shack end feedpoint with its raw SWR. If you place it between the KPA500 and the KAT500, you would monitor the matching condition into the KAT500, which should indicate a low SWR. The KAT500 SWR LEDs indicate the matching condition at the input of the KAT500 The KAT500 Utility can indicate the BYPASS SWR which is the unmatched SWR of the antenna feedline, so you can obtain the same information there as placing a coupler after the KAT500 - of course, you would need an extra serial port if you wanted to operate with the KAT500 Utility open on your computer. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2014 11:45 PM, Jeff Hall, W6UX wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I presently have a K3/100 hooked up to a P3 and a Microkeyer II. I want to add three new Elecraft products to my lineup: KPA500 amp, KAT500 tuner, and the W2 watt meter. > > There are many options listed on the Elecraft ordering page and I'm not sure if I have all the necessary cabling options selected. Additionally I need advice on which directional couplers I should choose for the W2. > > Here are the items currently in my shopping cart: > > - KAT500-K (High Power ATU, Kit) > - E850463 (KAT500 to KPA Aux Cable) > - KPA500-K (500W Linear Amplifier, Kit) > - KPAK3AUX (KPA to K3 AUX Cable) > - CBL36UHF (36" Coax cable) (three: K3->W2, W2->KPA500, KPA500->KAT500) > - PWR-US240a (US 240V Power Cord) -- extra, for future use when I have a 240v line > - W2-K (W2 Wattmeter, Kit) > - DHCF-200 (0.1-200W 1.8-54MHz directional coupler) > - DHCF-2000a (1-2000w 1.8-53MHz directional coupler) > > So, have I forgotten anything critical to get everything connected? The Microkeyer II uses the RS-232 port on the P3 and the ACC port on the K3. The KPAK3AUX cable Kit includes a Y-cable for the ACC port so that should make room for the Microkeyer II to be inserted into the rest of the K-Line gear. > > I picked the 0.1-200W directional coupler as I wanted to put the W2 between the K3 and the KPA500. Is it worthwhile adding the second coupler for 1-2000w? I'm assuming you only use this if you want to place the W2 after the KAT500? > > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 08:47:42 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:47:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug Message-ID: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> I've seen this mentioned by others, but I don't think I've heard an official response. Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when returning to receive condition after transmitting CW. It doesn't happen every time, but enough to be bothersome, especially in a fast pileup. It is not caused by RF, because it happens in TX TEST mode. I have the VGA adapter, if that is related, although the freeze occurs on the P3 screen as well. To reproduce the problem, switch to TX TEST mode, and repeatedly send VVV at 25 wpm. The P3 will usually come back immediately after each group, but every few times it will stay frozen for a few seconds. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Dec 29 09:46:01 2014 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:46:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have seen the same behavior as well. I'm away from my K3/P3, so I can't test it, but I think I have seen the freeze in AFSK A and SSB modes as well. I also have the SVGA installed in my P3. The behavior reminds me of the way the Apple ][ would go "out to lunch" every once in a while while the Basic interpreter ran garbage collection. If the P3 or SVGA is programmed in a garbage collected language, that might be the problem. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/29/14 at 5:47 AM, k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) wrote: >Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when >returning to receive condition after transmitting CW. It >doesn't happen every time, but enough to be bothersome, >especially in a fast pileup. It is not caused by RF, because it >happens in TX TEST mode. > >I have the VGA adapter, if that is related, although the freeze occurs on the P3 screen as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 29 09:52:23 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 06:52:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> References: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419864743.9249.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi Vic, If I remember correctly, there was a discussion here a few months ago, (which I can not locate in the archives for some reason), dealing with this behavior... I think it had something to do with telling the K3 to key down in two different ways... Something along the lines of using PTT with your DTR/RTS line, and/or using VOX, etc. Something along that line... I searched the archives but did not locate the post which covered this... I am pretty sure the words "race condition" were used in the post, so I searched the archive using that as the search term, but alas, nothing... Hopefully this will trigger someone with a better memory than I... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2014-12-29 at 15:47 +0200, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I've seen this mentioned by others, but I don't think I've heard an > official response. > > Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when returning to > receive condition after transmitting CW. It doesn't happen every time, > but enough to be bothersome, especially in a fast pileup. It is not > caused by RF, because it happens in TX TEST mode. > > I have the VGA adapter, if that is related, although the freeze occurs > on the P3 screen as well. > > To reproduce the problem, switch to TX TEST mode, and repeatedly send > VVV at 25 wpm. The P3 will usually come back immediately after each > group, but every few times it will stay frozen for a few seconds. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 10:12:22 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:12:22 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <1419864743.9249.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> <1419864743.9249.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54A16F56.5020500@gmail.com> I remember that discussion. I am pretty sure it was about a different problem. Anyway I am using VOX (er, QSK) with no connection to PTT. On 29 Dec 2014 16:52, David Cole wrote: > Hi Vic, > > If I remember correctly, there was a discussion here a few months ago, > (which I can not locate in the archives for some reason), dealing with > this behavior... I think it had something to do with telling the K3 to > key down in two different ways... Something along the lines of using > PTT with your DTR/RTS line, and/or using VOX, etc. > > Something along that line... I searched the archives but did not locate > the post which covered this... I am pretty sure the words "race > condition" were used in the post, so I searched the archive using that > as the search term, but alas, nothing... > > Hopefully this will trigger someone with a better memory than I... > -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 29 10:35:08 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:35:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. The P3 "mutes" in response to the TX flag in the IF; info or perhaps in response to the TX; "get." I would guess the freeze is due to missed or corrupted data between the K3 and P3 ... perhaps due to additional processing/data to support the SVGA. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-29 9:46 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I have seen the same behavior as well. I'm away from my K3/P3, so I > can't test it, but I think I have seen the freeze in AFSK A and SSB > modes as well. I also have the SVGA installed in my P3. > > The behavior reminds me of the way the Apple ][ would go "out to lunch" > every once in a while while the Basic interpreter ran garbage > collection. If the P3 or SVGA is programmed in a garbage collected > language, that might be the problem. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 12/29/14 at 5:47 AM, k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) > wrote: > >> Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when returning >> to receive condition after transmitting CW. It doesn't happen every >> time, but enough to be bothersome, especially in a fast pileup. It is >> not caused by RF, because it happens in TX TEST mode. >> >> I have the VGA adapter, if that is related, although the freeze occurs >> on the P3 screen as well. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten > 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. > www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Mon Dec 29 10:40:23 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:40:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] What is REV next to VFO A LCD indicator? In-Reply-To: <54A09D46.6040906@embarqmail.com> References: <54A08B3F.7030706@sunflower.com> <54A09D46.6040906@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54A175E7.6060000@sunflower.com> Don, tnx on that times 2 definition of the REV button. Makes sense. It only took ten hours building the K3 kit but I suspect that I'll be learning more about the K3 throughout the spring! That makes the purchase even cheaper - all that fun built in! When I ordered the K3 I also ordered Fred Cady's K3 book, 2nd edition. I'm a math geek and retired engineer, so saddled with the curse of nearly always having to know (or derive) how stuff works.......I'm currently pondering the secrets of the panadapter. Oh, by the way, grandkids bought me a Jawbone UP24 for Christmas. In fact, the whole family got one. We are now divided into teams and are already competing on who can register the most steps/day on average. You see, the Jawbone hangs on your wrist and counts your steps and activity. It sends it's data to your iPHONE via blue tooth and you can review your activity any time with the associated APP. Where this comes in handy with ham radio is that the Jawbone vibrates once if you sit for more than 30 minutes, just a reminder that you ought to get up and stretch or move. Wonder what's next? 73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 11:09:40 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:09:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> References: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419869380534-7596491.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Vic, I have brought this up on the reflector. I have not given test mode a try but I will. It was strongly suggested to me that it was RF related but the problem crops up to the same degree at high power and running about 30 watts barefoot. I have also loaded up cables with ferrite clamp-ons and the problem persists to the same degree. Always intermittent and unpredictable. I also have the VGA adapter and the problem is visible on both the external monitor and the P3 screen. I have not tried removing he SVGA board to see if the problem persists. It was extremely annoying when I was operating as a W1AW/2 station working RTTY split. I depended on the P3 to direct my focus to stations in the clear. It repeatedly let me down. 73, Mike K2MK Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote > I've seen this mentioned by others, but I don't think I've heard an > official response. > > Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when returning to > receive condition after transmitting CW. It doesn't happen every time, > but enough to be bothersome, especially in a fast pileup. It is not > caused by RF, because it happens in TX TEST mode. > > I have the VGA adapter, if that is related, although the freeze occurs > on the P3 screen as well. > > To reproduce the problem, switch to TX TEST mode, and repeatedly send > VVV at 25 wpm. The P3 will usually come back immediately after each > group, but every few times it will stay frozen for a few seconds. > -- > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > Rehovot, Israel > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-bug-tp7596485p7596491.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 29 12:09:01 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:09:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> References: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> Message-ID: <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? 73, Jim K9YC From mike.flowers at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 12:14:04 2014 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:14:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Likely an RF issue. Noticed this a few times, but not since implementing K9YC's equipment bonding instructions. Thanks for those excellent tips, Jim! -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Dec 29, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. > > Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Dec 29 12:58:01 2014 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:58:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> References: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20141229175801.GC2601@n0nb.us> * On 2014 29 Dec 07:48 -0600, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I've seen this mentioned by others, but I don't think I've heard an official > response. > > Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when returning to > receive condition after transmitting CW. It doesn't happen every time, but > enough to be bothersome, especially in a fast pileup. It is not caused by > RF, because it happens in TX TEST mode. I saw it last night for the first time on 160m and I was running the amp. I saw this happen for more than a "few seconds" and at several random intervals. I currently have firmware 1.29 installed and I could put 1.09 back into it. I don't recall seeing this happen with 1.09 or, at least, the recovery of the P3 was much faster. I have a plain P3 with no SVGA board installed. 73, Nate N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From kc0vkn at bitjanitor.net Mon Dec 29 13:02:35 2014 From: kc0vkn at bitjanitor.net (Joe Hetrick) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:02:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] krc2 flashing LED Message-ID: <20141229180234.GK8703@frodo.bitjanitor.net> Something happened to my KRC2 between yesterday and today. Power-up this morning, LED flashes. I tried to fire it up ith the 2.1.7 Config Util; whatever state the LED is in, on or off, persists if I check for the KRC2 ( but one is never found )-- eg if the LED happens to be blinking ON, kit stays on as soon as the query starts; if it's off, it stays off. Any ideas? 73, Joe KC0VKN -- Joe Hetrick perl -e 'print pack(h*,a6865647279636b604269647a616e69647f627e2e65647a0)' BOFH Excuse: Your cat tried to eat the mouse. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 13:20:48 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:20:48 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: References: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54A19B80.6010804@gmail.com> Absolutely NOT an RF issue! It happens in TX TEST mode. On 29 Dec 2014 19:14, Mike Flowers wrote: > Likely an RF issue. Noticed this a few times, but not since implementing K9YC's equipment bonding instructions. > > Thanks for those excellent tips, Jim! > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Dec 29, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >> >> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > -- Vic From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 13:21:56 2014 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:21:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> References: <54A15B7E.4090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO < k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote: > > Sometimes the P3 'freezes up' for one to three seconds when returning to > receive condition after transmitting CW. It doesn't happen every time, but > enough to be bothersome, especially in a fast pileup. It is not caused by > RF, because it happens in TX TEST mode. > To whoever suggested RF later in this thread, if it happens in TX TEST then it's not RF. ;) As an additional data point, I run three K3/P3s during RTTY contests in FSK D mode, and I have never seen this. I don't have the VGA adapter on any of them. Hope this helps - 73 - jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 29 15:06:15 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:06:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54A1B437.3080508@subich.com> ... to complete my report, I'm using FW 1.29 so can eliminate that as an issue (at least with a non-SVGA system). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-29 12:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. > > Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w2kj at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 29 15:24:53 2014 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. k1 4 bander Message-ID: Howdy Gang: Time to thin the herd as it were...too many QRP rigs here that are not being used. So, I offer a K1-4 band transceiver that is in excellent condition with full output on all bands. This is the four band rig...no need to change band modules. This rig covers 40/30/20/15M bands and comes with the following options: KAT1 antenna tuner just recently built that works FB. Back-lit LED display. Finger dimple. Will include a brand new K1 Front Panel and one new side panel with the deal. Will ship and insure to CONUS for $475. I take PayPal (please add 3.5% to cover the fee) or U.S. Postal Money Order. Happy New Year to all on the list and hope to meet you on the air. Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Mon Dec 29 15:32:33 2014 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:32:33 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug Message-ID: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> >On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. > >Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? > >73, Jim K9YC I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent firmware upgrade. The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long as 10 seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by repeated TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual keying. It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 chaining is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions perfectly in every other respect.) Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as often as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Jim Brown >Sent: 29 December 2014 17:09 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug > >On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. > >Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? > >73, Jim K9YC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 15:51:01 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:51:01 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54A1BEB5.6010909@gmail.com> I have just tested it with and without a logging program running. It happens either way. The way I test it it to turn QSK and TX TEST on and send a series of groups of V's with the internal keyer at 25 wpm: VVV VVV VVV etc. It seems to happen from once every three groups to once in 8 or so. Usually the delays are about 1s. Sometimes they are longer. On 29 Dec 2014 22:32, Ian White wrote: > >> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >> >> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. > It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent > firmware upgrade. > > The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on > average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the > displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long as 10 > seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem > sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. > > Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by repeated > TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual > keying. > > It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which > suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind > of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the > impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB > knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog > of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses > the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 chaining > is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions > perfectly in every other respect.) > > Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is > running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW > and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as often > as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). > > The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From nf4l at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 15:57:57 2014 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Err BPF2 Message-ID: When I power up the K3, it shows ERR BPF2. Pushing any button causes the message to go away. The manual says to *De Install the KBPF3. I don't want to get rid of my KBPF3. What does the asterisk refer to? 73, Mike NF4L From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 29 15:58:37 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:58:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> > It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, > which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps > some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and IF; all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the P3 - and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow gets fairly substantial rather quickly. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-29 3:32 PM, Ian White wrote: > >> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >> >> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. > It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent > firmware upgrade. > > The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on > average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the > displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long as 10 > seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem > sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. > > Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by repeated > TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual > keying. > > It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which > suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind > of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the > impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB > knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog > of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses > the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 chaining > is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions > perfectly in every other respect.) > > Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is > running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW > and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as often > as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). > > The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Jim Brown >> Sent: 29 December 2014 17:09 >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug >> >> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >> >> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 16:01:43 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:01:43 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> Message-ID: <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> Right, but I conclusively proved that this is not the (only?) cause by reproducing the bug without any applications running on my computer that access the K3. On 29 Dec 2014 22:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, >> which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps >> some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. > > N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its > polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and IF; > all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the P3 - > and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow gets > fairly substantial rather quickly. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2014-12-29 3:32 PM, Ian White wrote: >> >>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>> >>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. >> It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent >> firmware upgrade. >> >> The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on >> average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the >> displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long as 10 >> seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem >> sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. >> >> Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by repeated >> TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual >> keying. >> >> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which >> suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind >> of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the >> impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB >> knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog >> of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses >> the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 chaining >> is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions >> perfectly in every other respect.) >> >> Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is >> running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW >> and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as often >> as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). >> >> The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. >> >> >> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Jim Brown >>> Sent: 29 December 2014 17:09 >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug >>> >>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>> >>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 29 16:07:10 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:07:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54A1C27E.7040303@subich.com> Have you tried using an external keyer? I can not reproduce the bug here but I'm using an external keyer. Perhaps the internal keyer adds enough stress to the processor to cause a delay that exceeds a "knee". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-29 4:01 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > Right, but I conclusively proved that this is not the (only?) cause by > reproducing the bug without any applications running on my computer that > access the K3. > > On 29 Dec 2014 22:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, >>> which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps >>> some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. >> >> N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its >> polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and IF; >> all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the P3 - >> and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow gets >> fairly substantial rather quickly. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2014-12-29 3:32 PM, Ian White wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>>> >>>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. >>> It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent >>> firmware upgrade. >>> >>> The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on >>> average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the >>> displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long as 10 >>> seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem >>> sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. >>> >>> Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by repeated >>> TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual >>> keying. >>> >>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which >>> suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind >>> of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the >>> impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB >>> knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog >>> of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses >>> the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 chaining >>> is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions >>> perfectly in every other respect.) >>> >>> Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is >>> running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW >>> and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as often >>> as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). >>> >>> The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. >>> >>> >>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>>> Jim Brown >>>> Sent: 29 December 2014 17:09 >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug >>>> >>>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>>> >>>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>>> >>>> 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 16:20:52 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:20:52 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1C27E.7040303@subich.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <54A1C27E.7040303@subich.com> Message-ID: <54A1C5B4.9080903@gmail.com> I just tried it with an external keyer. Same results. On 29 Dec 2014 23:07, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Have you tried using an external keyer? I can not reproduce the bug > here but I'm using an external keyer. Perhaps the internal keyer adds > enough stress to the processor to cause a delay that exceeds a "knee". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 2014-12-29 4:01 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> Right, but I conclusively proved that this is not the (only?) cause by >> reproducing the bug without any applications running on my computer that >> access the K3. >> >> On 29 Dec 2014 22:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, >>>> which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps >>>> some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. >>> >>> N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its >>> polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and IF; >>> all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the P3 - >>> and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow gets >>> fairly substantial rather quickly. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2014-12-29 3:32 PM, Ian White wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>>>> >>>>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>>>> >>>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>> >>>> I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. >>>> It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent >>>> firmware upgrade. >>>> >>>> The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on >>>> average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the >>>> displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long >>>> as 10 >>>> seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem >>>> sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by repeated >>>> TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual >>>> keying. >>>> >>>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which >>>> suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind >>>> of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the >>>> impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB >>>> knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog >>>> of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses >>>> the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 chaining >>>> is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions >>>> perfectly in every other respect.) >>>> >>>> Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is >>>> running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW >>>> and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as >>>> often >>>> as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). >>>> >>>> The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>>>> Jim Brown >>>>> Sent: 29 December 2014 17:09 >>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug >>>>> >>>>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>>>> >>>>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>>>> >>>>> 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com -- Vic From wes at triconet.org Mon Dec 29 16:22:02 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:22:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54A1C5FA.2090606@triconet.org> On 12/29/2014 1:32 PM, Ian White wrote: > I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. The last time I had an "RF in the shack" problem was in 1958, when as a Novice class ham, I connected a single-wire antenna directly to the link coil on my Millen transmitter. (http://www.isquare.com/millen/eqpicts/90800.html) Otherwise, I find these concerns highly overblown and too often cited as a source of mischief. The most troublesome problem today is the garbage generated by the digital stuff that we can't seem to live without. Wes N7WS From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 16:40:01 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:40:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> I also have just proved conclusively that it has nothing to do with RF and nothing to do with a PC application. I tested the P3 with SVGA with my K3 in test mode on 15 meter CW. Using the internal keyer and my paddle with QSK turned on I sent the letter K at 25 WPM and paused. After 5 repeats the P3 hung up for about 1 second. Continuing I sent the letter K about 10 times and the P3 hung on the 10th repeat for about 2 seconds. This is a true problem. More of you should run this test. 73, Mike K2MK Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote > Right, but I conclusively proved that this is not the (only?) cause by > reproducing the bug without any applications running on my computer that > access the K3. > > On 29 Dec 2014 22:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, >>> which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps >>> some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. >> >> N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its >> polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and IF; >> all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the P3 - >> and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow gets >> fairly substantial rather quickly. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-bug-tp7596500p7596508.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc0vkn at bitjanitor.net Mon Dec 29 16:48:37 2014 From: kc0vkn at bitjanitor.net (Joe Hetrick) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:48:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] krc2 flashing LED In-Reply-To: <54A1A78B.4040202@comcast.net> References: <20141229180234.GK8703@frodo.bitjanitor.net> <54A1A78B.4040202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20141229214837.GP8703@frodo.bitjanitor.net> Too much rum and eggnog for me; I forgot there was a separate dl utilty for the KRC2..it's been a couple years since I last updated it! Thanks for the reminder :).. it now seems fine. 73, KC0VKN On 29 Dec 14:12, Rich wrote: > I have seen this on my KRC2 and the only way I have been able to fix > it is to reload the firmware. I am not sure what causes the > problem, however I have two of these units. One of them has never > had this problem while the other one acts up every couple months. > > Rich > On 12/29/2014 1:02 PM, Joe Hetrick wrote: > >Something happened to my KRC2 between yesterday and today. > > > >Power-up this morning, LED flashes. I tried to fire it up ith the 2.1.7 Config Util; whatever state the LED is in, on or off, persists if I check for the KRC2 ( but one is never found )-- eg if the LED happens to be blinking ON, kit stays on as soon as the query starts; if it's off, it stays off. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >73, > > > >Joe KC0VKN > > > > -- Joe Hetrick perl -e 'print pack(h*,a6865647279636b604269647a616e69647f627e2e65647a0)' BOFH Excuse: Please state the nature of the technical emergency From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 29 16:50:59 2014 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:50:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1419889859.9249.119.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, As an aside, I have the SVGA, and do CW a LOT, and have never seen this either... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2014-12-29 at 09:09 -0800, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. > > Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Dec 29 16:57:12 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:57:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don?t think it?s in the SVGA, or at least not exclusively so. I have the identical experience with a P3 that doesn?t have the SGVA option installed. Likewise I don?t think it?s a logging program hanging up a port - I don?t use a logging program - in fact I have no computer connections to the rig at all other than briefly during firmware loads or configurations. Oddly, the hangups began for me just after I updated the F/W in both the K3 and P3 about six weeks ago (I am not at the rig now and so don?t have the version numbers handy). Never happened before then. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 9 >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:35:08 -0500 >From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug >Message-ID: <54A174AC.7050200 at subich.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. > >The P3 "mutes" in response to the TX flag in the IF; info or perhaps >in response to the TX; "get." I would guess the freeze is due to >missed or corrupted data between the K3 and P3 ... perhaps due to >additional processing/data to support the SVGA. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From wes at triconet.org Mon Dec 29 16:58:04 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:58:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking Message-ID: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> I'm a relatively new owner of a KPA500. I'm also, thanks to the new K3 firmware, using QSK for the first time in my ham career. These two facts have led to me hearing a slight clicking noise emanating from the amp that follows the keying. This is unrelated to drive or output power, since it happens in the TX Test mode too. I understand that PIN diodes are used for RF switching but it still sounds like a reed relay to me. Any explanation? (Hint) Having a schematic would probably make this self explanatory. Wes N7WS From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 16:59:39 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <1419889859.9249.119.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <54A174AC.7050200@subich.com> <54A18AAD.7040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1419889859.9249.119.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: FWIW - Have K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 ... Am about 99% CW @ 20 - 30 WPM. I've never seen the problem. 73 KEN - K0PP From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 29 17:11:45 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:11:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have seen this behavior with the SVGA as well. However, 1 or 2 seconds before the P3 returns is not the same issue that I believe most people are talking about. When I have had this issue the spectrum locks up and will not return until a subsequent transmit. The communications between the P3 and K3 will most likely take a bit of time when the transmission is finished. One to two seconds is probably the norm and I would think that this is normal behavior. Since the P3 and K3 use the same serial link, I would think that a faster response would be bad for other third party applications. In my opinion although I do not know for sure, I believe that what is happening is that the command issued to determine if the K3 is transmitting is very slow to receive a response. I have seen this in my software. Perhaps this combined with some code that needs a little additional work for the P3 / K3 communications might solve the issue. 73's Tom va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike K2MK Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 4:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug I also have just proved conclusively that it has nothing to do with RF and nothing to do with a PC application. I tested the P3 with SVGA with my K3 in test mode on 15 meter CW. Using the internal keyer and my paddle with QSK turned on I sent the letter K at 25 WPM and paused. After 5 repeats the P3 hung up for about 1 second. Continuing I sent the letter K about 10 times and the P3 hung on the 10th repeat for about 2 seconds. This is a true problem. More of you should run this test. 73, Mike K2MK --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Mon Dec 29 17:21:57 2014 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:21:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> References: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> Message-ID: <54A1D405.8020600@earthlink.net> I looked a copy of the Manual and found only a block diagram. I cannot imagine them not supplying a schematic. Maybe it's an oversight ?? 73 es HNY, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/29/2014 2:58 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I'm a relatively new owner of a KPA500. I'm also, thanks to the new > K3 firmware, using QSK for the first time in my ham career. > > These two facts have led to me hearing a slight clicking noise > emanating from the amp that follows the keying. This is unrelated to > drive or output power, since it happens in the TX Test mode too. I > understand that PIN diodes are used for RF switching but it still > sounds like a reed relay to me. > > Any explanation? (Hint) Having a schematic would probably make this > self explanatory. > > Wes N7WS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From w2kj at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 29 17:26:09 2014 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. K1 Message-ID: <672871B6-6250-45A9-8A95-393238D3F8C5@bellsouth.net> The K1 4 bander has been spoken for. Many thanks and Happy New Year. 73, Joe W2KJ From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 29 17:28:03 2014 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:28:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> > More of you should run this test. I have run your test and Vic's test literally hundreds of times with absolutely no "hang." 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-29 4:40 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > I also have just proved conclusively that it has nothing to do with RF and > nothing to do with a PC application. I tested the P3 with SVGA with my K3 in > test mode on 15 meter CW. Using the internal keyer and my paddle with QSK > turned on I sent the letter K at 25 WPM and paused. After 5 repeats the P3 > hung up for about 1 second. Continuing I sent the letter K about 10 times > and the P3 hung on the 10th repeat for about 2 seconds. > > This is a true problem. More of you should run this test. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote >> Right, but I conclusively proved that this is not the (only?) cause by >> reproducing the bug without any applications running on my computer that >> access the K3. >> >> On 29 Dec 2014 22:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, >>>> which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps >>>> some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. >>> >>> N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its >>> polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and IF; >>> all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the P3 - >>> and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow gets >>> fairly substantial rather quickly. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-bug-tp7596500p7596508.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kb2m at arrl.net Mon Dec 29 17:34:13 2014 From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions Message-ID: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> While waiting for Elecraft to get back to me on this I thought I would ask here also. Along with the issue of the K3/0 mini not powering the remote K3 on just off, I noticed today that I can't get any audio drive out of the FP.L mic sel, I only get audio out of the rP.L mic sel. This is no big deal as I'm using a headset and can simply plug into the mic jack on the side of the K3/0 mini, still using the PTT from the main 8 pin foster connector. This of course would be a problem if I were to try using a desk mic. When I select FP.L I get no drive audio in the side mic jack, so I guess the hardware is ok. Anyone else seeing this behavior? I setup the control 1258 to try and control my K3 tomorrow from my summer home, that is 60 NMI away. I guess I will leave everything here at the remote site powered on for the test. 73 and a HNY Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kb2m at arrl.net Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 16:31 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair setup. It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I have DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the control K3/0 mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the cable mod for the KPA500. I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, but not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. The issue is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the remote K3. I see a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, but not sure it's for an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this problem? Any suggestions ? Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to power the remote equipment on and off... 73 Jeff kb2m From aj8mh-radio at charter.net Mon Dec 29 17:34:34 2014 From: aj8mh-radio at charter.net (Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:34:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> References: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> Message-ID: <54A1D6FA.5090204@charter.net> I have clicking, but it doesn't following the keying. (Maybe you meant AFTER keying.) It happens after a long transmission...for the most part. It has to do with flexing of the heatsink or other parts of the chassis when the unit heats and cools. I believe it's been covered here before. Joe ( AJ8MH ) http://webpages.charter.net/aj8mh-radio/ On 12/29/2014 4:58 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I'm a relatively new owner of a KPA500. I'm also, thanks to the new > K3 firmware, using QSK for the first time in my ham career. > > These two facts have led to me hearing a slight clicking noise > emanating from the amp that follows the keying. This is unrelated to > drive or output power, since it happens in the TX Test mode too. I > understand that PIN diodes are used for RF switching but it still > sounds like a reed relay to me. > > Any explanation? (Hint) Having a schematic would probably make this > self explanatory. > > Wes N7WS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aj8mh-radio at charter.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Dec 29 17:36:09 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:36:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1D597.5020107@foothill.net> References: <54A1D597.5020107@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54A1D759.5050805@foothill.net> The subject should probably read, "Possible P3 Anomaly." "Anomaly" is a word used extensively at NASA to indicate anything from a burned out indicator lamp to the rocket landing pointy end down outside of Phoenix. Test setup: K3 #642 latest production FW P3 latest production FW, no SVGA KPA500 KAT500 [KPA and KAT cabled with Elecraft cables] TX TEST [i.e. making no RF] QSK VOX ON QRQ OFF N1MM off 5 min of VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM [K3 internal keyer] Result: No P3 recovery delays N1MM on sending VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM for 5 min Result: No P3 recovery delays N1MM on 5 min of VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM [K3 internal keyer] Result: No P3 recovery delays N1MM on 5 min of VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM [external WinKeyUSB] Result: No P3 Recovery delays Apparently all P3's are not created equal and I got one of the good ones. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/29/2014 12:51 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I have just tested it with and without a logging program running. It > happens either way. > > The way I test it it to turn QSK and TX TEST on and send a series of > groups of V's with the internal keyer at 25 wpm: VVV VVV VVV etc. It > seems to happen from once every three groups to once in 8 or so. Usually > the delays are about 1s. Sometimes they are longer. From kb2m at arrl.net Mon Dec 29 17:38:00 2014 From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:38:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions Message-ID: <01a101d023b8$1a056460$4e102d20$@net> While waiting for Elecraft to get back to me on this I thought I would ask here also. Along with the issue of the K3/0 mini not powering the remote K3 on just off, I noticed today that I can't get any audio drive out of the FP.L mic sel, I only get audio out of the rP.L mic sel. This is no big deal as I'm using a headset and can simply plug into the mic jack on the side of the K3/0 mini, still using the PTT from the main 8 pin foster connector. This of course would be a problem if I were to try using a desk mic. When I select FP.L I get no drive audio in the side mic jack, so I guess the hardware is ok. Anyone else seeing this behavior? I setup the control 1258 to try and control my K3 tomorrow from my summer home, that is 60 NMI away. I guess I will leave everything here at the remote site powered on for the test. 73 and a HNY Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kb2m at arrl.net Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 16:31 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair setup. It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I have DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the control K3/0 mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the cable mod for the KPA500. I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, but not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. The issue is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the remote K3. I see a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, but not sure it's for an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this problem? Any suggestions ? Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to power the remote equipment on and off... 73 Jeff kb2m From kb2m at arrl.net Mon Dec 29 17:41:13 2014 From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:41:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig K3/0 mini questions Message-ID: <01a201d023b8$8d402410$a7c06c30$@net> While waiting for Elecraft to get back to me on this I thought I would ask here also. Along with the issue of the K3/0 mini not powering the remote K3 on just off, I noticed today that I can't get any audio drive out of the FP.L mic sel, I only get audio out of the rP.L mic sel. This is no big deal as I'm using a headset and can simply plug into the mic jack on the side of the K3/0 mini, still using the PTT from the main 8 pin foster connector. This of course would be a problem if I were to try using a desk mic. When I select FP.L I get no drive audio in the side mic jack, so I guess the hardware is ok. Anyone else seeing this behavior? I setup the control 1258 to try and control my K3 tomorrow from my summer home, that is 60 NMI away. I guess I will leave everything here at the remote site powered on for the test. 73 and a HNY Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kb2m at arrl.net Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 16:31 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair setup. It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I have DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the control K3/0 mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the cable mod for the KPA500. I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, but not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. The issue is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the remote K3. I see a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, but not sure it's for an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this problem? Any suggestions ? Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to power the remote equipment on and off... 73 Jeff kb2m From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 29 17:45:44 2014 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:45:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> Message-ID: <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In order to reproduce this problem we are probably going to need much more information than has been given. To begin with, why don't you tell us what your update rate is set to on the P3, as well as what other devices you might have on the RS-232 bus? At 25 wpm you should be able to see the P3 update between letters, on a P3 w/o SVGA set to 20 ms update rate. I don't know what effect the SVGA option has, if any. Al W6LX From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Mon Dec 29 17:46:47 2014 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:46:47 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1BEB5.6010909@gmail.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1BEB5.6010909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a801d023b9$58f94f00$0aebed00$@co.uk> OK, Vic: the computer RS232 link is not involved. I hadn't noticed any hangups while testing with an external keyer using VOX (semi-breakin) but could easily create hangups using full QSK. That may be simply because full QSK generates many more TX/RX transitions. Sometimes even one dot was enough to cause a hangup. If something is marginal in the communication between the K3 and the P3, that might explain why the problem varies so much, both in the frequency of the hangups and in their duration. It might also explain why some people have never noticed it at all. Also, are we correct in believing that the problem only affects SVGA users? It's getting late here, but maybe someone could repeat the test with the SVGA display disconnected from the P3, in case that might be a source of disruption to the data communications. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic >Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO >Sent: 29 December 2014 20:51 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug > >I have just tested it with and without a logging program running. It >happens either way. > >The way I test it it to turn QSK and TX TEST on and send a series of >groups of V's with the internal keyer at 25 wpm: VVV VVV VVV etc. It >seems to happen from once every three groups to once in 8 or so. Usually >the delays are about 1s. Sometimes they are longer. > >On 29 Dec 2014 22:32, Ian White wrote: >> >>> On Mon,12/29/2014 7:35 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> I have never seen this but I don't have the SVGA. >>> >>> Nor have I. Perhaps an RF issue? >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> I have the same problem and it does occur in TEST mode so it isn't RF. >> It is also a problem of long standing, not related to any recent >> firmware upgrade. >> >> The displays (both P3 and SVGA) hang at very irregular intervals, on >> average about once in maybe 10-20-30 returns to TX. Sometimes the >> displays freeze for only about a second, but sometimes for as long as 10 >> seconds or even more. I also have the impression that the problem >> sometimes occurs in 'streaks' when the probability seems much higher. >> >> Unfortunately the problem cannot be created on demand, only by >repeated >> TX-RX cycling, but it does not seem to happen at all with purely manual >> keying. >> >> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, which >> suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps some kind >> of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. I have the >> impression that the displays become more likely to hang when the VFOB >> knob is rotated while transmitting on VFO A, which will feed a backlog >> of data into the RS232 link or its buffers. (FYI, my RS232 link uses >> the hardware COM1 port on the PC motherboard and the PC-P3-K3 >chaining >> is exactly as specified in the manuals; the whole link functions >> perfectly in every other respect.) >> >> Although the problem seems to require that the logging program is >> running, it does not seem to be directly related to the source of CW >> and/or PTT. The problem occurs with manual keying and VOX, just as >often >> as it does with keying from N1MM+ (DTR=CW, RTS=PTT). >> >> The same problem also occurs on RTTY but I'm not sure about SSB. >> >> >> 73 from Ian GM3SEK > >-- >73, >Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO >Rehovot, Israel >http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 29 17:58:58 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:58:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> In addition, there is now QSK OLD and QSK NEW which now adds another variable into the K3 'return to RX after TX equation'. If all parties responding with additional information would state which they are using, perhaps it will be easier to get to the root cause of this behavior. I have no idea if this is a factor in the "it does it" or "it does not do it here" statements, but information related to the relevant K3 setup and applications running on the computer certainly seem to be a part of it (even though some have seen it without computer applications). I don't think I have seen any reports of the problem being encountered with non-SVGA P3s. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2014 5:45 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > In order to reproduce this problem we are probably going to need much more information than has been given. > > To begin with, why don't you tell us what your update rate is set to on the P3, as well as what other devices you might have on the RS-232 bus? > > At 25 wpm you should be able to see the P3 update between letters, on a P3 w/o SVGA set to 20 ms update rate. I don't know what effect the SVGA option has, if any. > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 29 18:05:49 2014 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:05:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1419894349.10354.YahooMailNeo@web181603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Right, Don. It's probably most important for those who are *experiencing* the problem to tell us precisely what their settings are, so that we can reproduce it. Once the first person who wasn't previously experiencing the problem is able to finally see it, then we'll know we're getting somewhere. Al W6LX ________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug In addition, there is now QSK OLD and QSK NEW which now adds another variable into the K3 'return to RX after TX equation'. If all parties responding with additional information would state which they are using, perhaps it will be easier to get to the root cause of this behavior. I have no idea if this is a factor in the "it does it" or "it does not do it here" statements, but information related to the relevant K3 setup and applications running on the computer certainly seem to be a part of it (even though some have seen it without computer applications). I don't think I have seen any reports of the problem being encountered with non-SVGA P3s. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2014 5:45 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > In order to reproduce this problem we are probably going to need much more information than has been given. > > To begin with, why don't you tell us what your update rate is set to on the P3, as well as what other devices you might have on the RS-232 bus? > > At 25 wpm you should be able to see the P3 update between letters, on a P3 w/o SVGA set to 20 ms update rate. I don't know what effect the SVGA option has, if any. > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to alorona at sbcglobal.net From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 18:30:45 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:30:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1419895845117-7596527.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, I've had this problem for several years and I only started using QSK this year. Further, the problem is also present when using RTTY (AFSK). I don't use SSB very often so I have not noticed if the problem is present with that mode. All firmware for the K3, P3, and SVGA are the latest, either production or beta. I run WriteLog for both CW and RTTY. But for the testing I just posted about I had no PC applications running and the K3 in test mode. My K3 settings are generally all default values. If there is something specific needed I can look it up and advise. I checked the refresh rate on the P3 and it was set at 10ms which is per the manual. I raised it to 20ms and the problem persists. I raised it 100ms and the problem persists. 73, Mike K2MK Don Wilhelm-4 wrote > In addition, there is now QSK OLD and QSK NEW which now adds another > variable into the K3 'return to RX after TX equation'. > > If all parties responding with additional information would state which > they are using, perhaps it will be easier to get to the root cause of > this behavior. > > I have no idea if this is a factor in the "it does it" or "it does not > do it here" statements, but information related to the relevant K3 setup > and applications running on the computer certainly seem to be a part of > it (even though some have seen it without computer applications). > > I don't think I have seen any reports of the problem being encountered > with non-SVGA P3s. > > 73, > Don W3FPR -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-bug-tp7596500p7596527.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 29 18:57:07 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:57:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <1419895845117-7596527.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> <1419895845117-7596527.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54A1EA53.50500@embarqmail.com> My suspicion is that the presence or absence of this problem has something to do with the K3 to P3 communication when the K3 tells the P3 that it is finished transmitting and is now in receive mode. If that communication is disrupted for any reason, the P3 would not begin its read of the IF spectrum. I am not any expert on how the internals of that communication happens, and we may have to wait until the K3/P3 engineers return from "holiday vacations" before we can see a response from them. In other words, wait until next week before expecting any meaningful responses. My input is purely a guess. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2014 6:30 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Don, > > I've had this problem for several years and I only started using QSK this > year. Further, the problem is also present when using RTTY (AFSK). I don't > use SSB very often so I have not noticed if the problem is present with that > mode. > > All firmware for the K3, P3, and SVGA are the latest, either production or > beta. > > I run WriteLog for both CW and RTTY. But for the testing I just posted about > I had no PC applications running and the K3 in test mode. > > My K3 settings are generally all default values. If there is something > specific needed I can look it up and advise. > > I checked the refresh rate on the P3 and it was set at 10ms which is per the > manual. I raised it to 20ms and the problem persists. I raised it 100ms and > the problem persists. > > From johnn1jm at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:02:50 2014 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:02:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 still for sale In-Reply-To: <1419813576110-7596473.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419813576110-7596473.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1419897770875-7596529.post@n2.nabble.com> The PX3 has been sold but the KX3 and accessories is still available...$975 John_N1JM wrote > KX3-K, #926 with roofing filter, 160/80M IMD factory upgrade, antenna > tuner, KUSB, cable set, latest firmware, upgraded vfo A encoder, NO OTHER > OPTIONS! Never portable or mobile, mostly used as a third receiver. PX3-K, > #0563, 2 months old. All in like new condition with manuals and cables. > Hardly used. Original owner, nonsmoking environment, $1450 shipped, USPS > MO, PayPal plus fees. CONUS only, US based hams with US call signs only. > NO TRADES! I will split them up. ----- 73, John N1JM K3 #5986 P3 #1752 KPA500 #596 KX3 #926 XG3 XG1 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-still-for-sale-tp7596473p7596529.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:38:35 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:38:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> References: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> Message-ID: <54A1F40B.6030004@embarqmail.com> Wes, The KPA500 T/R switching is all electronic, so no reed relays are involved. Are you certain the clicking noise is coming from the KPA500? There may be some audio from the speaker/headphones from the K3 when returning to receive. QSK OLD vs. QSK NEW might change the behavior unless it is truly coming from the KPA500 (which would likely indicate some mechanical effect - likely due to heating). The fact that you hear it in TX TEST mode indicates that it is not a heating problem, but check closely to determine if it is actually in the K3 audio on a return to RX from TX condition. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2014 4:58 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I'm a relatively new owner of a KPA500. I'm also, thanks to the new > K3 firmware, using QSK for the first time in my ham career. > > These two facts have led to me hearing a slight clicking noise > emanating from the amp that follows the keying. This is unrelated to > drive or output power, since it happens in the TX Test mode too. I > understand that PIN diodes are used for RF switching but it still > sounds like a reed relay to me. > > Any explanation? (Hint) Having a schematic would probably make this > self explanatory. > > Wes N7WS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From kf7gc at arrl.net Mon Dec 29 20:14:44 2014 From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted KXPA100 Message-ID: <192050433.1510215.1419902084953.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Looking to buy a used working KXPA100 without the tuner.You are welcoime to call me, Tomy, 928-710-9231 anytime,or email.?73! Tomy KF7GC AZ STM NM AZ Section Net ORS From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 29 20:26:41 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:26:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1EA53.50500@embarqmail.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <1419893144.65883.YahooMailNeo@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54A1DCB2.9030503@embarqmail.com> <1419895845117-7596527.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1EA53.50500@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4640238E-8F5D-4E00-8468-7A2C500EACB7@elecraft.com> This may be a bug and it is on the list. Wayne N6KR On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > My suspicion is that the presence or absence of this problem has something to do with the K3 to P3 communication when the K3 tells the P3 that it is finished transmitting and is now in receive mode. If that communication is disrupted for any reason, the P3 would not begin its read of the IF spectrum. > > I am not any expert on how the internals of that communication happens, and we may have to wait until the K3/P3 engineers return from "holiday vacations" before we can see a response from them. In other words, wait until next week before expecting any meaningful responses. My input is purely a guess. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/29/2014 6:30 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: >> Hi Don, >> >> I've had this problem for several years and I only started using QSK this >> year. Further, the problem is also present when using RTTY (AFSK). I don't >> use SSB very often so I have not noticed if the problem is present with that >> mode. >> >> All firmware for the K3, P3, and SVGA are the latest, either production or >> beta. >> >> I run WriteLog for both CW and RTTY. But for the testing I just posted about >> I had no PC applications running and the K3 in test mode. >> >> My K3 settings are generally all default values. If there is something >> specific needed I can look it up and advise. >> >> I checked the refresh rate on the P3 and it was set at 10ms which is per the >> manual. I raised it to 20ms and the problem persists. I raised it 100ms and >> the problem persists. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ai6ii at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 20:55:24 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:55:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] M1 -M4 reports NO DVR for data mode on 30 and 17 meters only Message-ID: <1419904524574-7596533.post@n2.nabble.com> Strange. I only noticed it chasing a Centennial RTTY station on 30m, then found the same problem with 12m. Only effects these two bands. I press M1 (or M2, M3, M4) and the display shows 'NO DVR'. What is going on? Thanks for your help, 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/M1-M4-reports-NO-DVR-for-data-mode-on-30-and-17-meters-only-tp7596533.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tcgroat at mesanetworks.net Mon Dec 29 21:12:46 2014 From: tcgroat at mesanetworks.net (Tim Groat) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:12:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <549B087E.1010108@audiosystemsgroup.com> <76FCBECFDCBE4A09B4A43D73594E58EE@pinnacle05df05> <549B3511.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54A20A1E.20906@mesanetworks.net> What Jim says here is correct. The old exception that allowed returning 120V loads to the bare or green grounding wire of a 240V circuit was very limited, allowed only for a few large appliances (dryers, stoves/ovens, and water heaters IIRC) which would be disconnected only for maintenance or replacement. The exception never applied to ham equipment. There are at least three possible Bad Things that can happen when you use a ground to carry operating current: (1) Some of the 120V load current returns by way of the coax, keying line, ALC line, the rig and its power supply, the antenna grounding system, etc.--anything connected to the amplifier chassis. This current often causes a stubborn hum in your transmitted signal (and other ill effects). (2) If the circuit has GFCI protection, the 120V load current is likely to trip the GFCI. (3) If the ground wire opens for any reason, the 120V load current has nowhere to go except the unintended paths, in particular through you if you are touching anything connected to the amplifier. This danger is the primary reason the NEC no longer allows combining neutral and ground conductors anywhere beyond the power service equipment (master disconnect enclosure). So if you have an older amplifier wired with 120V loads to chassis, it's wise to spend the time and money to make it safer and better by keeping the 120V load currents out of the chassis ground connections. --Tim (KR0u) On 12/24/2014 2:50 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > You may be confusing a 120/240 outlet that has a four circuit plug > (phase, phase, neutral, and Green) and can serve both 120V and 240V > loads, with a 240V outlet that has a three circuit plug and serves only > 240V loads. There is no neutral in a 240V outlet, and as noted above, it > is illegal to connect a 120V load between one phase and the Green wire > (Equipment Ground). That 120/240 circuit can feed both 120V and 240V > outlets. A neutral IS required to feed those 120V outlets. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 29 21:46:33 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:46:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink Improved and Now Shipping -- Easy Retrofit to Existing KX3's In-Reply-To: <3CE397A9-B4A5-42E3-93CF-43CF156C3D16@elecraft.com> References: <93902D92-605F-4B3B-92B2-9A313DD0C48D@elecraft.com> <541069BE.8000502@elecraft.com> <5410750B.3030802@elecraft.com> <97BA944B-1F96-4DC2-A06F-99518C3C5CA2@elecraft.com> <3CE397A9-B4A5-42E3-93CF-43CF156C3D16@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi all, In response to feedback from KX3 users, we have improved the transceiver's heat sink, without significantly changing its outside dimensions. The new heat sink has twice the surface area and much greater mass, using an 'L' configuration that places part of the heat sink underneath the rig's chassis. A high-performance, die-cut thermal gasket is used between the rear panel and heat sink to ensure excellent heat transfer. Our lab tests show that for a given power output level, the new heat sink provides up to twice as much transmit time as the original before power is automatically scaled back under firmware control. (Larger, third-party heat sinks can still be used, if desired, to allow extended operation in data modes at full power, or at very high ambient temperatures.) The new heat sink is already included in production KX3s, starting with S/N 7292 for kits, and S/N 7255 for factory assembled units. It can be easily added to existing KX3s using modification kit model #KX3HSKIT ($39.95). Refer to our Spare Parts and Mod Kits page, KX3 section: http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 If demand is high for modification kits, there may be a brief delay in filling orders. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Dec 29 21:50:02 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:50:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] M1 -M4 reports NO DVR for data mode on 30 and 17 meters only In-Reply-To: <1419904524574-7596533.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419904524574-7596533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0275E0BD-1BC8-47CD-8151-877F8DD98C2C@elecraft.com> You may be in SPLIT mode on these bands, with VFO B set for a DVR-compatible mode. Wayne N6KR On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:55 PM, mike wrote: > Strange. I only noticed it chasing a Centennial RTTY station on 30m, then > found the same problem with 12m. Only effects these two bands. I press M1 > (or M2, M3, M4) and the display shows 'NO DVR'. What is going on? > Thanks for your help, 73 ..mike AI6II > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/M1-M4-reports-NO-DVR-for-data-mode-on-30-and-17-meters-only-tp7596533.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 22:09:49 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Heat Sink Improved and Now Shipping -- Easy Retrofit to Existing KX3's In-Reply-To: <54A2141F.6050500@mikew.org> References: <93902D92-605F-4B3B-92B2-9A313DD0C48D@elecraft.com> <541069BE.8000502@elecraft.com> <5410750B.3030802@elecraft.com> <97BA944B-1F96-4DC2-A06F-99518C3C5CA2@elecraft.com> <3CE397A9-B4A5-42E3-93CF-43CF156C3D16@elecraft.com> <54A2141F.6050500@mikew.org> Message-ID: Wayne, it doesn't sound like the KX3 heat sink addition will impact Rose's covers or cases and Scott's end plates or front cover. Can you confirm? A photo on the website might save the staff time in the long run. (:-) 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Dec 29 22:25:56 2014 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:25:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No SVGA (and no computer link) here, yet the problem happens now and then - often enough to be annoying - just as others have described it. I am almost sure I am using QSK ?old.? The K3 is about 100 miles from where I am right now so I can?t confirm that. While I am not 100% sure of this, it may be that the recovery delay has happened only when working split with the sub RX enabled. On the other hand, that would be the only time I would care about it since it would be the only circumstance in which I would be trying to use the P3 to position my transmissions, so my perception may be skewed. Ted, KN1CBR > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 17 >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:58:58 -0500 >From: Don Wilhelm >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug >Message-ID: <54A1DCB2.9030503 at embarqmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >In addition, there is now QSK OLD and QSK NEW which now adds another >variable into the K3 'return to RX after TX equation'. > >If all parties responding with additional information would state which >they are using, perhaps it will be easier to get to the root cause of >this behavior. > >I have no idea if this is a factor in the "it does it" or "it does not >do it here" statements, but information related to the relevant K3 setup >and applications running on the computer certainly seem to be a part of >it (even though some have seen it without computer applications). > >I don't think I have seen any reports of the problem being encountered >with non-SVGA P3s. > >73, >Don W3FPR > From mjwetzel at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 22:28:01 2014 From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:28:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Abnormality Message-ID: Just to add other parameters: I have seen the stutter for as long as I have had my P3 which is about 2.5 years. No SVGA card, I do not run QSK, I have not updated firmware in a year or so. One other odd thing with my K3, I added the 2nd receiver and KDVR3 this past August. The 2nd receiver works fine but the KDVR3 does not work. I have not spent any time trouble shooting. Mike W9RE From ai6ii at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 22:33:21 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:33:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] M1 -M4 reports NO DVR for data mode on 30 and 17 meters only In-Reply-To: <0275E0BD-1BC8-47CD-8151-877F8DD98C2C@elecraft.com> References: <1419904524574-7596533.post@n2.nabble.com> <0275E0BD-1BC8-47CD-8151-877F8DD98C2C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1419910401628-7596540.post@n2.nabble.com> No, not running split. Ah ha! I figured it out. NR4C sent an email asking me about which DATA Mode I was using. I found that 30 and 17 meters were setup for AFSK rather than FSK as I use on the other bands (my paddle speed and accuracy is much better than using a keyboard!) So that solves it. And I guess I also learned that if I were to want to use a different mode like AFSK or DATA, I would need the DVR module for the memories. Nice. Always good to learn something more about this fantastic rig. Thanks, Wayne and Bill for your help. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/M1-M4-reports-NO-DVR-for-data-mode-on-30-and-17-meters-only-tp7596533p7596540.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ai6ii at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 22:40:25 2014 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:40:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] M1 -M4 reports NO DVR for data mode on 30 and 17 meters only In-Reply-To: <1419904524574-7596533.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419904524574-7596533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1419910825265-7596541.post@n2.nabble.com> I probably should have mentioned in the orignal post that I do NOT have the DVR module installed. ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/M1-M4-reports-NO-DVR-for-data-mode-on-30-and-17-meters-only-tp7596533p7596541.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Dec 29 22:42:55 2014 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:42:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <00a801d023b9$58f94f00$0aebed00$@co.uk> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1BEB5.6010909@gmail.com> <00a801d023b9$58f94f00$0aebed00$@co.uk> Message-ID: <20141230034255.GD2601@n0nb.us> * On 2014 29 Dec 16:49 -0600, Ian White wrote: > Also, are we correct in believing that the problem only affects SVGA > users? No, I do not have the SVGA board and I see exactly what has been described. Last night I saw it on voice several times for extended periods including one that was well in excess of 10 seconds. I attributed it to RFI as I was running the amp, but I have run the amp before with P3 FW 1.09 and had not seen the extended freeze. Most times the freeze would last less than a second or two. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 22:46:37 2014 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Heat Sink Improved and Now Shipping -- Easy Retrofit to Existing KX3's [1 Attachment] In-Reply-To: <451847BF-9B2C-469E-995A-85A564282E15@elecraft.com> References: <93902D92-605F-4B3B-92B2-9A313DD0C48D@elecraft.com> <541069BE.8000502@elecraft.com> <5410750B.3030802@elecraft.com> <97BA944B-1F96-4DC2-A06F-99518C3C5CA2@elecraft.com> <3CE397A9-B4A5-42E3-93CF-43CF156C3D16@elecraft.com> <54A2141F.6050500@mikew.org> <451847BF-9B2C-469E-995A-85A564282E15@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the drawing, Wayne. All looks OK. 73 Ken - K0PP ElecraftCovers at gmail.com From w7lkg at comcast.net Mon Dec 29 22:47:15 2014 From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:47:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> Message-ID: <000a01d023e3$4dfd2b10$e9f78130$@net> Vic, Joe, I can't replicate it here either. Tried it on 17M, both with K3 in test, and 100W to dummy load. Using K3, P3 (no SVGA), KPA500, SteppIR DB-18, microKEYER II, and WriteLog 11.23L. No glitches seen. 73, Rick, W7LKG -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 14:28 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 bug > More of you should run this test. I have run your test and Vic's test literally hundreds of times with absolutely no "hang." 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-29 4:40 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > I also have just proved conclusively that it has nothing to do with RF > and nothing to do with a PC application. I tested the P3 with SVGA > with my K3 in test mode on 15 meter CW. Using the internal keyer and > my paddle with QSK turned on I sent the letter K at 25 WPM and paused. > After 5 repeats the P3 hung up for about 1 second. Continuing I sent > the letter K about 10 times and the P3 hung on the 10th repeat for about 2 seconds. > > This is a true problem. More of you should run this test. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote >> Right, but I conclusively proved that this is not the (only?) cause >> by reproducing the bug without any applications running on my >> computer that access the K3. >> >> On 29 Dec 2014 22:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>>> It only happens here when the logging program (N1MM+) is active, >>>> which suggests it is related to traffic on the RS232 link - perhaps >>>> some kind of data collision which is being resolved by timeouts. >>> >>> N1MM Logger (both Classic and Plus) is extremely aggressive in its >>> polling - something like 7 or 9 "GET" items - including FA; FB; and >>> IF; all at once every 300 ms. Add a second polling source - e.g. the >>> P3 - and the chance of collision, timeout, and/or buffer overflow >>> gets fairly substantial rather quickly. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-bug-tp7596500p7596508.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w7lkg at comcast.net From anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp Mon Dec 29 23:29:28 2014 From: anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp (JE0LFI) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:29:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] v1.16 Bug?: Cursor in AM mode In-Reply-To: <5499B2CB.5000203@sonic.net> References: <1419328919764-7596296.post@n2.nabble.com> <5499B2CB.5000203@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1419913768191-7596545.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Alan / N1AL, Hi all AM mode bandwidth indication of PX3 will be inferred that it VSB(Vestigial Lower side band). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-sideband_modulation Since using the VSB, will be displayed cursor across the carrier frequency, such like this: _____==C=====_____ : Vestigial Lower Side Band VSB Future, if the SYNC-AM mode is supported, you'll be switching to Vestigial Upper side band. _=====C==_____ : Vestigial Upper Side Band VSB 73 and Here's to the New Year ! Cheers ! --- JE0LFI / Nakamura -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-v1-16-Bug-Cursor-in-AM-mode-tp7596296p7596545.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes at triconet.org Tue Dec 30 00:13:01 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:13:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: <54A1D6FA.5090204@charter.net> References: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> <54A1D6FA.5090204@charter.net> Message-ID: <54A2345D.4040208@triconet.org> No, I mean exactly what I said, it follows the keying, just as if a relay is being actuated. And as I said, it has nothing to do with heat. On 12/29/2014 3:34 PM, Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio wrote: > I have clicking, but it doesn't following the keying. (Maybe you meant AFTER > keying.) It happens after a long transmission...for the most part. It has to > do with flexing of the heatsink or other parts of the chassis when the unit > heats and cools. I believe it's been covered here before. > > Joe ( AJ8MH ) From w6jhb at me.com Tue Dec 30 00:19:10 2014 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:19:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi Message-ID: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> Just wondering if any folks on this reflector have been using the Raspberry Pi (RPI) computer with their rigs or any other ham-related "stuff"? I got one for my Jr op (6 yrs old) several months ago and he has only used it occasionally. I'd like to integrate it into my ham shack where it "might" get more use. Right now my K3 and KX3 are tethered to an iMac which works quite well. Not looking to replace the iMac - just thinking about the RPI in the shack. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From wes at triconet.org Tue Dec 30 00:20:15 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: <54A1F40B.6030004@embarqmail.com> References: <54A1CE6C.1000300@triconet.org> <54A1F40B.6030004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54A2360F.3040904@triconet.org> More on this mystery. The sound is also audible in the K3. It is definitely mechanical and only happens (in both units) when the Aux cable is connected and the KPA is in Operate, in other words when it goes into or out of transmit. The Speaker is Off in the K3, the sound is NOT audible in the headphones. It happens in either QSK or Semi. I can also hear a single click when going into or out of Tune. RF may be switched with PIN diodes, but there are some relays in there someplace. This isn't, I suppose, a real problem; more of a curiosity and apparently, a test of reading comprehension. Now, exactly where are those schematics located? Wes N7WS On 12/29/2014 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > The KPA500 T/R switching is all electronic, so no reed relays are involved. > > Are you certain the clicking noise is coming from the KPA500? There may be > some audio from the speaker/headphones from the K3 when returning to receive. > QSK OLD vs. QSK NEW might change the behavior unless it is truly coming from > the KPA500 (which would likely indicate some mechanical effect - likely due to > heating). > > The fact that you hear it in TX TEST mode indicates that it is not a heating > problem, but check closely to determine if it is actually in the K3 audio on a > return to RX from TX condition. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/29/2014 4:58 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> I'm a relatively new owner of a KPA500. I'm also, thanks to the new K3 >> firmware, using QSK for the first time in my ham career. >> >> These two facts have led to me hearing a slight clicking noise emanating from >> the amp that follows the keying. This is unrelated to drive or output power, >> since it happens in the TX Test mode too. I understand that PIN diodes are >> used for RF switching but it still sounds like a reed relay to me. >> >> Any explanation? (Hint) Having a schematic would probably make this self >> explanatory. >> >> Wes N7WS >> ______________________________________________________________ > From huntinhmb at coastside.net Tue Dec 30 00:45:26 2014 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:45:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> References: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> Message-ID: <47E221C4-3EF9-4E66-8211-F80FC34AED36@coastside.net> I'm currently working on a RPi project to implement a 2 meter packet station and BBS for the local club. Coastal Chipworks markets a nifty TNC kit that plugs into the RPi. Software is all public domain and there is a comprehensive AX.25 library. Unrelated to Elecraft except that it's sitting in the shelf above my K3. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Dec 29, 2014, at 21:19, James Bennett wrote: > > Just wondering if any folks on this reflector have been using the Raspberry Pi (RPI) computer with their rigs or any other ham-related "stuff"? > > I got one for my Jr op (6 yrs old) several months ago and he has only used it occasionally. I'd like to integrate it into my ham shack where it "might" get more use. Right now my K3 and KX3 are tethered to an iMac which works quite well. Not looking to replace the iMac - just thinking about the RPI in the shack. > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to huntinhmb at coastside.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 30 01:00:33 2014 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18 at videotron.ca) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 01:00:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <73e0998f13d2b.54a23f4b@videotron.ca> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <000a01d023e3$4dfd2b10$e9f78130$@net> <73208f4911e7e.54a23c2f@videotron.ca> <7470f76a127ec.54a23c6c@videotron.ca> <7450d717170ba.54a23caa@videotron.ca> <73d09e9315c7c.54a23ce7@videotron.ca> <72d0bd36122fd.54a23d24@videotron.ca> <72c0fae214760.54a23d61@videotron.ca> <7330f9641716f.54a23d9f@videotron.ca> <7330cc13104ae.54a23ddc@videotron.ca> <73c0e9d0148a4.54a23e19@videotron.ca> <72f0be4914c04.54a23e56@videotron.ca> <7310d43316ea9.54a23e93@videotron.ca> <7330ca1911b3e.54a23ed1@videotron.ca> <72b0d29413e82.54a23f0e@videotron.ca> <73e0998f13d2b.54a23f4b@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <74008b0116dd5.54a1f931@videotron.ca> I have seen the P3 SVGA lockup on voice. It remains this way until the next transmission. However, I never paid attention to the P3 itself during this. I only looked at the svga output. Does the P3 hang as well? If it does, then it is most likely an issue with communications between the K3 and the P3. If the SVGA output is the only one to freeze, it is most likely the firmware in the SVGA / P3 at fault.There were some issues in the past with the P3 corrupting the communications between the K3 and itself. This was fixed. However, it could still be in some ways related. Just like the P3 does not always respond to a marker QSY. The lockups are known to Elecraft. This was reported by me and discussed with an engineer over two years ago. This and a number of other bugs such as no averaging on the SVGA, the VFO B marker not responding to changes in the IF shift, and quite a few more. I guess there is just not enough staff to deal with these issues. I therefore offer, as a volunteer, to fix these errors if Elecraft agrees. -) 73's Tom > > > > > From mcduffie at ag0n.net Tue Dec 30 01:23:40 2014 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:23:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking Message-ID: > RF may be switched with PIN diodes, but there are some relays in there someplace. No TR relay. Amp is quiet as a mouse when keying/unkeying, even in QSK. There IS a STBY/OPER relay, I assume, as I can hear it when I go in and out of OPER. Also, band switching, of course. There are ticks due to heating in the heat sink, but not in time with keying. Random, and varying rate. Documented on this group previously. Have you asked Elecraft (not this list) for a diagram? Gary From rfriess at usa.net Tue Dec 30 02:29:11 2014 From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:29:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What you are hearing is due to magnetostrictive force causing the windings of the inductors in the TR switch to bang against their cores as the TR switch bias is applied. There are no relays. 73 Bob, N6CM, KPA500 design engineer. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:23 PM, wrote: > > > RF may be switched with PIN diodes, but there are some relays in there > someplace. > > No TR relay. Amp is quiet as a mouse when keying/unkeying, even in QSK. > There > IS a STBY/OPER relay, I assume, as I can hear it when I go in and out of > OPER. > Also, band switching, of course. > > There are ticks due to heating in the heat sink, but not in time with > keying. > Random, and varying rate. Documented on this group previously. > > Have you asked Elecraft (not this list) for a diagram? > > Gary > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net > From david at g4nrt.com Tue Dec 30 02:54:56 2014 From: david at g4nrt.com (David Bondy G4NRT) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:54:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A Heartfelt Plea Message-ID: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> I know that I am new to this list but I?d like to make a plea from the heart (I will be posting the same plea on some other groups): Would list members please, please, please think about what they are doing when they quote an entire message (and sometimes many, many replies) when posting to the list. Sometimes there are quotes of quotes of quotes and the content is actually just one line! In the main, I read this list on my phone and I sometimes find it almost impossible sometimes to actually find the intended content! What?s wrong with editing what you?re going to quote - and perhaps using to show that you?ve done it? Thank you for reading this and I hope that it will have a positive effect. 73 David G4NRT From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Dec 30 03:01:34 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:01:34 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line Message-ID: <201412300801.sBU81YEl096760@huffman.acsalaska.net> I concur. As result of this discussion and because I will soon add another 240vac outlet to serve my 50v-50a switching PS being installed to power a 1100w surplus ch.2 TV Harris amplifier (for use on 6m), I looked closely at some of the twist-lock plugs I had in my parts. They are three contact plugs, so are unable to carry a safety ground for splitting out 120vac. They are legal for 240vac as the third contact is the safety ground. When wiring my shack for 240vac I bought No.8-4 conductor cable (three-No. 8 and one solid copper No.12 wire in the cable. So the 60amp load box is properly connected to provide 120v break out as well as 240vac with standard breakers. But my 240v outlets are only good for 240v as a result. My 4-kV HVPS uses both 240 and 120v and has two separate power cables supplying this (properly oriented neutrals and safety grounds). As Tim says, below, improper wiring can lead to bad operating conditions and UNSAFE operations. If you do not understand any part of what is being said - then you should not do the 240v wiring - hire a reputable, licensed, bonded electrician. Several years ago a local store owner had some wiring done in his house by a "friend" that "knew" electrical wiring. The friend connected the 240v service incorrectly cross connecting one of the hot and the neutral which resulted in all the 120v circuits carrying 240v. The store owner lost his furnace blower, microwave, TV, stereo, and most of his lights to the tune of several thousand dollars - but saved on (not) hiring a competent electrician. Fortunately no was harmed and his house did not burn down! 73, Ed - KL7UW ---------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:12:46 -0700 From: Tim Groat To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 240V Line Message-ID: <54A20A1E.20906 at mesanetworks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed What Jim says here is correct. The old exception that allowed returning 120V loads to the bare or green grounding wire of a 240V circuit was very limited, allowed only for a few large appliances (dryers, stoves/ovens, and water heaters IIRC) which would be disconnected only for maintenance or replacement. The exception never applied to ham equipment. There are at least three possible Bad Things that can happen when you use a ground to carry operating current: (1) Some of the 120V load current returns by way of the coax, keying line, ALC line, the rig and its power supply, the antenna grounding system, etc.--anything connected to the amplifier chassis. This current often causes a stubborn hum in your transmitted signal (and other ill effects). (2) If the circuit has GFCI protection, the 120V load current is likely to trip the GFCI. (3) If the ground wire opens for any reason, the 120V load current has nowhere to go except the unintended paths, in particular through you if you are touching anything connected to the amplifier. This danger is the primary reason the NEC no longer allows combining neutral and ground conductors anywhere beyond the power service equipment (master disconnect enclosure). So if you have an older amplifier wired with 120V loads to chassis, it's wise to spend the time and money to make it safer and better by keeping the 120V load currents out of the chassis ground connections. --Tim (KR0u) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 03:28:11 2014 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:28:11 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <000a01d023e3$4dfd2b10$e9f78130$@net> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <000a01d023e3$4dfd2b10$e9f78130$@net> Message-ID: <54A2621B.3010903@gmail.com> I tried with the SVGA disabled and it did NOT occur -- at least in a few minutes of testing. I suspect the same symptom might result from multiple causes. Since Wayne has indicated that it is on their list, I will present my test parameters and leave it alone from here on. I am sure that they will get to it: ---------------------------------------------- Problem: display on P3 and SVGA stalls for extended time when returning to receive from transmit. Frequency: from once every 3 transitions to once every 10 transitions. Duration: usually about one second, sometimes longer. Setup: K3 and P3 with SVGA. No programs running on PC that access K3, no KPA500 or KAT500. Nothing else connected to K3 aux or RS232 connectors (except digout1 to PR6-10). KRX3 installed, DVR not installed. P3 in FIXED or TRACKING mode. Firmware: K3: 5.01/2.83/1.16. P3: 1.29. SVGA: 1.16. Operating parameters: CW QSK, TX TEST, KRX3 on or off, SVGA enabled, RS232 speed 38400, P3 refresh rate 10ms (changing between 0 and 100 doesn't matter). Test procedure: send groups of 3 V's at 25 wpm and observe P3 or SVGA display. Notes: some people have seen this without SVGA. When I disable SVGA, the problem goes away. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 30 03:30:54 2014 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:30:54 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <20141230034255.GD2601@n0nb.us> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk><54A1BEB5.6010909@gmail.com><00a801d023b9$58f94f00$0aebed00$@co.uk> <20141230034255.GD2601@n0nb.us> Message-ID: Is there a quick fix eg a button press that will unlock the freeze? Waiting 10s for it to unfreeze on its own would send me round the bend. 73 David G3UNA > > No, I do not have the SVGA board and I see exactly what has been > described. Last night I saw it on voice several times for extended > periods including one that was well in excess of 10 seconds. I > attributed it to RFI as I was running the amp, but I have run the amp > before with P3 FW 1.09 and had not seen the extended freeze. Most times > the freeze would last less than a second or two. > > 73, Nate, N0NB > From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Tue Dec 30 03:47:53 2014 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:47:53 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] v1.16 Bug?: Cursor in AM mode In-Reply-To: <1419913768191-7596545.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1419328919764-7596296.post@n2.nabble.com> <5499B2CB.5000203@sonic.net> <1419913768191-7596545.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54A266B9.4010801@xs4all.nl> Hi Nakamura I think you're right about this but also I think that the lo/hi-cut settings affect the audio and not the "IF" bandwidth. I know that in the Perseus software you can influence both AM sidebands independently and in fact listen to only one sideband plus carrier in both AM and AM-sync and probably you would like to have that option as well in the KX3... The only way I can get this option is by using the KX3's I/Q output, a PC and HDSDR-software. HDSDR toggles in AM-sync between LSB, USB and DSB with a simple click on the AM-Sync button. 73 and Happy New Year, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2014-12-30 05:29 schreef JE0LFI: > Hi Alan / N1AL, Hi all > > AM mode bandwidth indication of PX3 will be inferred that it VSB(Vestigial > Lower side band). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-sideband_modulation > > Since using the VSB, will be displayed cursor across the carrier frequency, > such like this: > > _____==C=====_____ : Vestigial Lower Side Band VSB > > Future, if the SYNC-AM mode is supported, you'll be switching to Vestigial > Upper side band. > > _=====C==_____ : Vestigial Upper Side Band VSB > > 73 and Here's to the New Year ! Cheers ! > > --- > > JE0LFI / Nakamura > From droese at necg.de Tue Dec 30 04:55:02 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:55:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions In-Reply-To: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> References: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> Message-ID: <54A27676.2060603@necg.de> Hi Jeff, what you configure has no influence on the K3/0 mini! Every single menu item you change will only influence the remote K3 but not the control side (as soon as they are connected *all* actions on the mini will only have effect on the remote K3 ... that's how it is designed). So if you change from rP.L (where the RemoteRig box is connected) to FP.L you effectively take away the remote audio input to the remote K3. ;-) The K3/0 mini is all hardwired! It seems the foster front panel connector is wired for dynamic mics only. At least my Kenwood fist mike which is a dynamic one works without any trouble there. The 3,5 mm sockets in the mini's side can be configured for w/bias or w/o bias. This is done by a jumper inside the remote head. Of course you could also solder a small adapter for the foster that puts the 8 V available on a separate pin as bias to the mic pin. BTW: The foster mic socket in the mini will also automatically be disabled as soon as you plug in something to the 3,5 mm mic jack! So don't wonder ... ;-) For PTT you can also use the PTT jack on the mini's backside (avoids clutter on the front if you are using a headset anyway). Hope that helps. Let me know if any other questions ... have been using the mini for quite some time now ... 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 29.12.2014 um 23:34 schrieb kb2m at arrl.net: > While waiting for Elecraft to get back to me on this I thought I would ask > here also. > > Along with the issue of the K3/0 mini not powering the remote K3 on just > off, I noticed today that I can't get any audio drive out of the FP.L mic > sel, I only get audio out of the rP.L mic sel. This is no big deal as I'm > using a headset and can simply plug into the mic jack on the side of the > K3/0 mini, still using the PTT from the main 8 pin foster connector. This of > course would be a problem if I were to try using a desk mic. When I select > FP.L I get no drive audio in the side mic jack, so I guess the hardware is > ok. Anyone else seeing this behavior? > I setup the control 1258 to try and control my K3 tomorrow from my summer > home, that is 60 NMI away. I guess I will leave everything here at the > remote site powered on for the test. > > > 73 and a HNY Jeff kb2m > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > kb2m at arrl.net > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 16:31 PM > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 > > I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair setup. > It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I have > DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the control K3/0 > mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the cable mod for the > KPA500. > I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, but > not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. The issue > is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the remote K3. I see > a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, but not sure it's for > an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this problem? Any suggestions ? > Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to power the > remote equipment on and off... > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From challinan at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 05:51:45 2014 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 05:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A Heartfelt Plea In-Reply-To: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> References: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: As usual, everyone has an opinion! ;) I have been involved with Internet mail lists (many hams call 'em reflectors) since before there was a world wide web. Proper etiquette is to "top post" like I have done, so it's easy to read the current reply. Often, "snipping" a message content will lose important context that a later reader might want to reference. Most mail lists (this one included) are archived. Just my humble $0.02. 73, Chris K1AY On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:54 AM, David Bondy G4NRT wrote: > I know that I am new to this list but I'd like to make a plea from the > heart (I will be posting the same plea on some other groups): > > Would list members please, please, please think about what they are doing > when they quote an entire message (and sometimes many, many replies) when > posting to the list. > > Sometimes there are quotes of quotes of quotes and the content is actually > just one line! > > In the main, I read this list on my phone and I sometimes find it almost > impossible sometimes to actually find the intended content! > > What's wrong with editing what you're going to quote - and perhaps using > to show that you've done it? > > Thank you for reading this and I hope that it will have a positive effect. > > 73 > > David G4NRT > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From kb2m at arrl.net Tue Dec 30 06:41:47 2014 From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:41:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions In-Reply-To: <54A27676.2060603@necg.de> References: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> <54A27676.2060603@necg.de> Message-ID: <024d01d02425$9829a3c0$c87ceb40$@net> First I must apologize for my multiple posts of the same message. I recently moved and when I 'moved' my Comcast connection I've had nothing but trouble with my email accounts. Long story... Olli, Thanks for the answer to one of my problems. I started to go through the RemoteRig manual last night and I see there is a lot of information in the 220 page manual I need to know. The control K3/0 mini powering the remote K3 off and not on is still a mystery I guess only Elecraft can answer... 73 and HNY Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Dr?se [mailto:droese at necg.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:55 AM To: kb2m at arrl.net; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions Hi Jeff, what you configure has no influence on the K3/0 mini! Every single menu item you change will only influence the remote K3 but not the control side (as soon as they are connected *all* actions on the mini will only have effect on the remote K3 ... that's how it is designed). So if you change from rP.L (where the RemoteRig box is connected) to FP.L you effectively take away the remote audio input to the remote K3. ;-) The K3/0 mini is all hardwired! It seems the foster front panel connector is wired for dynamic mics only. At least my Kenwood fist mike which is a dynamic one works without any trouble there. The 3,5 mm sockets in the mini's side can be configured for w/bias or w/o bias. This is done by a jumper inside the remote head. Of course you could also solder a small adapter for the foster that puts the 8 V available on a separate pin as bias to the mic pin. BTW: The foster mic socket in the mini will also automatically be disabled as soon as you plug in something to the 3,5 mm mic jack! So don't wonder ... ;-) For PTT you can also use the PTT jack on the mini's backside (avoids clutter on the front if you are using a headset anyway). Hope that helps. Let me know if any other questions ... have been using the mini for quite some time now ... 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 29.12.2014 um 23:34 schrieb kb2m at arrl.net: > While waiting for Elecraft to get back to me on this I thought I would > ask here also. > > Along with the issue of the K3/0 mini not powering the remote K3 on > just off, I noticed today that I can't get any audio drive out of the > FP.L mic sel, I only get audio out of the rP.L mic sel. This is no big > deal as I'm using a headset and can simply plug into the mic jack on > the side of the > K3/0 mini, still using the PTT from the main 8 pin foster connector. > This of course would be a problem if I were to try using a desk mic. > When I select FP.L I get no drive audio in the side mic jack, so I > guess the hardware is ok. Anyone else seeing this behavior? > I setup the control 1258 to try and control my K3 tomorrow from my > summer home, that is 60 NMI away. I guess I will leave everything here > at the remote site powered on for the test. > > > 73 and a HNY Jeff kb2m > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > kb2m at arrl.net > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 16:31 PM > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 > > I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair setup. > It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I > have DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the > control K3/0 mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the > cable mod for the KPA500. > I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, > but not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. > The issue is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the > remote K3. I see a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, > but not sure it's for an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this problem? Any suggestions ? > Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to > power the remote equipment on and off... > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > droese at necg.de > From droese at necg.de Tue Dec 30 07:41:37 2014 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:41:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions In-Reply-To: <024d01d02425$9829a3c0$c87ceb40$@net> References: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> <54A27676.2060603@necg.de> <024d01d02425$9829a3c0$c87ceb40$@net> Message-ID: <54A29D81.1080907@necg.de> Jeff, powering the remote K3 on/off should work automatically presuming you have all the cables correct (the remote side RemoteRig box activates a pin at the ACC connector for that ... if you're also using a KPA500/KAT500 in the remote setup you might need to break up one line, not sure anymore, it's been a while since I did it) as well as the config on the RR boxes set correctly (there should be something like K3-Twins or Elecraft-Twins or the like). 73, Olli Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 30.12.2014 um 12:41 schrieb kb2m at arrl.net: > First I must apologize for my multiple posts of the same message. I > recently moved and when I 'moved' my Comcast connection I've had nothing but > trouble with my email accounts. Long story... > > Olli, > > Thanks for the answer to one of my problems. I started to go through the > RemoteRig manual last night and I see there is a lot of information in the > 220 page manual I need to know. The control K3/0 mini powering the remote > K3 off and not on is still a mystery I guess only Elecraft can answer... > > > 73 and HNY Jeff kb2m > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oliver Dr?se [mailto:droese at necg.de] > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:55 AM > To: kb2m at arrl.net; 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions > > Hi Jeff, > > what you configure has no influence on the K3/0 mini! Every single menu item > you change will only influence the remote K3 but not the control side (as > soon as they are connected *all* actions on the mini will only have effect > on the remote K3 ... that's how it is designed). So if you change from rP.L > (where the RemoteRig box is connected) to FP.L you effectively take away the > remote audio input to the remote K3. ;-) > > The K3/0 mini is all hardwired! It seems the foster front panel connector is > wired for dynamic mics only. At least my Kenwood fist mike which is a > dynamic one works without any trouble there. The 3,5 mm sockets in the > mini's side can be configured for w/bias or w/o bias. > This is done by a jumper inside the remote head. Of course you could also > solder a small adapter for the foster that puts the 8 V available on a > separate pin as bias to the mic pin. > > BTW: The foster mic socket in the mini will also automatically be disabled > as soon as you plug in something to the 3,5 mm mic jack! So don't wonder ... > ;-) > > For PTT you can also use the PTT jack on the mini's backside (avoids clutter > on the front if you are using a headset anyway). > > Hope that helps. Let me know if any other questions ... have been using the > mini for quite some time now ... > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de > > > Am 29.12.2014 um 23:34 schrieb kb2m at arrl.net: >> While waiting for Elecraft to get back to me on this I thought I would >> ask here also. >> >> Along with the issue of the K3/0 mini not powering the remote K3 on >> just off, I noticed today that I can't get any audio drive out of the >> FP.L mic sel, I only get audio out of the rP.L mic sel. This is no big >> deal as I'm using a headset and can simply plug into the mic jack on >> the side of the >> K3/0 mini, still using the PTT from the main 8 pin foster connector. >> This of course would be a problem if I were to try using a desk mic. >> When I select FP.L I get no drive audio in the side mic jack, so I >> guess the hardware is ok. Anyone else seeing this behavior? >> I setup the control 1258 to try and control my K3 tomorrow from my >> summer home, that is 60 NMI away. I guess I will leave everything here >> at the remote site powered on for the test. >> >> >> 73 and a HNY Jeff kb2m >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> kb2m at arrl.net >> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 16:31 PM >> To: 'Elecraft Reflector' >> Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini won't power up remote K3 >> >> I'm in the middle of setting up my K3 K3/0 mini Remoterig 1258 pair > setup. >> It's going well, I have most everything done at the remote site. I >> have DXLab running on a laptop controlling the remote K3 via the >> control K3/0 mini. All I have left to do at the remote site is the >> cable mod for the KPA500. >> I have one issue. The control station powers down the K3 and KAT500, >> but not the KPA500. This should work when I do the KPA500 cable mod. >> The issue is that when I turn on the K3/0 mini it doesn't turn on the >> remote K3. I see a config item for a Yaesu radio in the Microbit s/w, >> but not sure it's for an Elecraft setup. Anyone have an answer to this > problem? Any suggestions ? >> Before I try remoting from another site I would like to be able to >> power the remote equipment on and off... >> >> 73 Jeff kb2m >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> droese at necg.de >> > From alan at polyphase.ca Tue Dec 30 08:31:37 2014 From: alan at polyphase.ca (Alan Hawrylyshen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:31:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A Heartfelt Plea In-Reply-To: References: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: <5D3E8180-7EDA-427B-8823-A1D50B2F4E56@polyphase.ca> > On Dec 30, 2014, at 10:51, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > As usual, everyone has an opinion! ;) > > [?] Proper etiquette is > to "top post" like I have done, so it's easy to read the current reply. > [?] As you rightly point out, everyone has an opinion. I think that the convention varies from community to community. The Outlook and Exchange clan seems to like top-posting. The old USENET / Unix folks see to prefer bottom posting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style and for fun : https://www.google.com/search?q=top+posting+considered+harmful Best advice here is to get guidance from the moderator and failing that - the community consensus. In either case, consistency is better than alternative - which I admit - I have done here. Since this is a meta discussion, I will refrain from responding further to limit list traffic. Private comments are welcome. There is a certain amount of humor intended here. Sincerely, Alan K2ACK M0WTH IO91 From n0nb at n0nb.us Tue Dec 30 08:36:25 2014 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> References: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> Message-ID: <20141230133625.GE2601@n0nb.us> * On 2014 29 Dec 23:21 -0600, James Bennett wrote: > Just wondering if any folks on this reflector have been using the > Raspberry Pi (RPI) computer with their rigs or any other ham-related > "stuff"? Mine is collecting my weather data and uploading it to Weather Underground. > I got one for my Jr op (6 yrs old) several months ago and he has only > used it occasionally. I'd like to integrate it into my ham shack where > it "might" get more use. Right now my K3 and KX3 are tethered to an > iMac which works quite well. Not looking to replace the iMac - just > thinking about the RPI in the shack. Fldigi *may* run on it particularly if the Pi is overclocked to 900 MHz or so (a utility is included to do just that). I overclocked mine some time ago with no ill effects. For daily use I would suggest an external hard drive as the SD sticks have a limited lifetime if used as a regular file system. If you're running Raspbian and choose to use Hamlib, it would probably be better to build Hamlib from source using one of the daily snapshots than the version provided by Raspbian as many fixes for the K3 have been applied since then: http://n0nb.users.sourceforge.net If you need assistance compiling Hamlib, feel free to email me privately. In my opinion, the Pi is almost too limited to be a daily desktop computer. It is attractive for its size and price and offers a system capable of running a full Linux based system. Other devices such as the Beagle Bone Black (I don't have one) may be a better choice for a desktop. For a dedicated device running a few tasks the Pi is a good choice. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Dec 30 08:42:02 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:42:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: <20141230133625.GE2601@n0nb.us> References: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> <20141230133625.GE2601@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1419946922509-7596564.post@n2.nabble.com> I built the panadapter from QST with the BBB and it worked great ( while waiting for PX3). I ported code to Pi, but still working on one bug ( missing file in kernel). -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-K3-KX3-and-Raspberry-Pi-tp7596547p7596564.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk Tue Dec 30 08:51:30 2014 From: m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk (Rick Hewett) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:51:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A Heartfelt Plea In-Reply-To: References: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Chris Hallinan wrote: > As usual, everyone has an opinion! ;) Of course, > Proper etiquette is to "top post" In my day, top posting was considered most impolite, while snipping and interspersing replies (to give just enough context while keeping the messages as short as possible) was considered proper. > Most mail lists (this one included) are archived. ....and, if messages are properly threaded, only the most minimal quoting should be required. > Just my humble $0.02. ....and my tuppence. ;) 73, Rick 5Z4/M0LEP From john at ae5x.com Tue Dec 30 08:47:37 2014 From: john at ae5x.com (John Harper) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:47:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] A Heartfelt Plea Message-ID: <000001d02437$2e234910$8a69db30$@ae5x.com> This topic has already been addressed by Elecraft: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm John AE5X http://www.ae5x.com/blog >As you rightly point out, everyone has an opinion From idarack at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:17:35 2014 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:17:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> References: <4299B41C-9B08-4FAA-85CE-D4B7043EDD2A@me.com> Message-ID: There is a small group of us who have our Rasberry Pi's hooked into a Dvap for D-Star. Irwin, KD3TB On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, James Bennett wrote: > Just wondering if any folks on this reflector have been using the > Raspberry Pi (RPI) computer with their rigs or any other ham-related > "stuff"? > > I got one for my Jr op (6 yrs old) several months ago and he has only used > it occasionally. I'd like to integrate it into my ham shack where it > "might" get more use. Right now my K3 and KX3 are tethered to an iMac which > works quite well. Not looking to replace the iMac - just thinking about the > RPI in the shack. > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com > -- Irwin KD3TB From jim.w4atk at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:29:03 2014 From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:29:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A1D759.5050805@foothill.net> References: <54A1D597.5020107@foothill.net> <54A1D759.5050805@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54A2B6AF.2080603@gmail.com> Well, I guess I will chime in as well. I have spent some time this morning trying at various speeds etc. and I cannot for the life of me get my P3 to "hang". I spent most of my operating time on CW and RTTY using HRD latest beta, and DM780 and Navigator interface which has a built in K1EL Keyer. I tried via the software and with the paddles. To quote from years ago in the space industry, "NTF" (no trouble found). K3 with latest beta firmware P3 with latest release firmware KPA-500 with latest release firmware KAT-500 with latest release firmware I could not be happier with this setup. Jim, W4ATK On 12/29/2014 4:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > The subject should probably read, "Possible P3 Anomaly." "Anomaly" is a > word used extensively at NASA to indicate anything from a burned out > indicator lamp to the rocket landing pointy end down outside of Phoenix. > > Test setup: > K3 #642 latest production FW > P3 latest production FW, no SVGA > KPA500 > KAT500 [KPA and KAT cabled with Elecraft cables] > TX TEST [i.e. making no RF] > QSK > VOX ON > QRQ OFF > > N1MM off > 5 min of VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM [K3 internal keyer] > Result: No P3 recovery delays > > N1MM on sending VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM for 5 min > Result: No P3 recovery delays > > N1MM on > 5 min of VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM [K3 internal keyer] > Result: No P3 recovery delays > > N1MM on > 5 min of VVV VVV VVV ... @ 25 WPM [external WinKeyUSB] > Result: No P3 Recovery delays > > Apparently all P3's are not created equal and I got one of the good > ones. :-) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > > On 12/29/2014 12:51 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> I have just tested it with and without a logging program running. It >> happens either way. >> >> The way I test it it to turn QSK and TX TEST on and send a series of >> groups of V's with the internal keyer at 25 wpm: VVV VVV VVV etc. It >> seems to happen from once every three groups to once in 8 or so. Usually >> the delays are about 1s. Sometimes they are longer. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim.w4atk at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 30 10:32:17 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:32:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <74008b0116dd5.54a1f931@videotron.ca> References: <008f01d023a6$b3833c50$1a89b4f0$@co.uk> <54A1C07D.6000402@subich.com> <54A1C137.4080801@gmail.com> <1419889201406-7596508.post@n2.nabble.com> <54A1D573.9090102@subich.com> <000a01d023e3$4dfd2b10$e9f78130$@net> <73208f4911e7e.54a23c2f@videotron.ca> <7470f76a127ec.54a23c6c@videotron.ca> <7450d717170ba.54a23caa@videotron.ca> <73d09e9315c7c.54a23ce7@videotron.ca> <72d0bd36122fd.54a23d24@videotron.ca> <72c0fae214760.54a23d61@videotron.ca> <7330f9641716f.54a23d9f@videotron.ca> <7330cc13104ae.54a23ddc@videotron.ca> <73c0e9d0148a4.54a23e19@videotron.ca> <72f0be4914c04.54a23e56@videotron.ca> <7310d43316ea9.54a23e93@videotron.ca> <7330ca1911b3e.54a23ed1@videotron.ca> <72b0d29413e82.54a23f0e@videotron.ca> <73e0998f13d2b.54a23f4b@videotron.ca> <74008b0116dd5.54a1f931@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54A2C581.1000508@socal.rr.com> My P3 is without the SVGA adapter and I see no issues. I wonder if the problems with that adapter relate to RF susceptibility of the SVGA monitor rather than a problem in the Elecraft hardware? Testing whether the P3 hangs with the SVGA monitor attached but not with it disconnected might provide some insight. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/29/14 10:00 PM, tomb18 at videotron.ca wrote: > I have seen the P3 SVGA lockup on voice. It remains this way until the next transmission. However, I never paid attention to the P3 itself during this. I only looked at the svga output. Does the P3 hang as well? If it does, then it is most likely an issue with communications between the K3 and the P3. If the SVGA output is the only one to freeze, it is most likely the firmware in the SVGA / P3 at fault.There were some issues in the past with the P3 corrupting the communications between the K3 and itself. This was fixed. However, it could still be in some ways related. Just like the P3 does not always respond to a marker QSY. > > > The lockups are known to Elecraft. This was reported by me and discussed with an engineer over two years ago. This and a number of other bugs such as no averaging on the SVGA, the VFO B marker not responding to changes in the IF shift, and quite a few more. > I guess there is just not enough staff to deal with these issues. I therefore offer, as a volunteer, to fix these errors if Elecraft agrees. -) > 73's Tom > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Dec 30 10:32:27 2014 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 06:32:27 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Heat Sink Improved and Now Shipping Message-ID: <201412301533.sBUFX3cs051535@denali.acsalaska.net> Ordered my KX3 Elecraft Heat sink, yesterday. I already use the Cooler-KX heat sink made by VE7FMN so will be interesting to see how the two compare and how the combo work together. I will repeat temp compensation procedure and do over frequency drift testing for 1. Elecraft heat sink, only 2. Combo I already have measurements of the VE7FMN heat sink: http://www.kl7uw.com/KX3.htm Check VE7FMN website for updated prices (link from my webpage). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From nf4l at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 10:38:21 2014 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Err BPF2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92921E98-2560-4C44-B702-04592A32C988@comcast.net> Nobody knows the cure for ERR BPF2? Mike NF4L > On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > When I power up the K3, it shows ERR BPF2. Pushing any button causes the message to go away. > > The manual says to *De Install the KBPF3. > > I don't want to get rid of my KBPF3. What does the asterisk refer to? > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 30 10:39:17 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:39:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A Heartfelt Plea In-Reply-To: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> References: <2251A004-F62B-4746-955B-960E62040716@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: <54A2C725.4050005@socal.rr.com> Hi, David -- and welcome to the list. Generally I agree with your comment, though I'm sure I occasionally forget to edit as much as I should. OTOH -- deleting too much can make the reply pretty hard to understand, so both extremes should be avoided. The other thing is that these lists were never designed to be read on the limited screen of a smartphone -- and since I sometimes use mine to read the messages, I realize what a problem the limited real estate of those screens can cause. Still, I'd rather read here with my iPhone than post messages here with it's keyboard:-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/29/14 11:54 PM, David Bondy G4NRT wrote: > I know that I am new to this list but I?d like to make a plea from the heart (I will be posting the same plea on some other groups): > > Would list members please, please, please think about what they are doing when they quote an entire message (and sometimes many, many replies) when posting to the list. > > Sometimes there are quotes of quotes of quotes and the content is actually just one line! > > In the main, I read this list on my phone and I sometimes find it almost impossible sometimes to actually find the intended content! > > What?s wrong with editing what you?re going to quote - and perhaps using to show that you?ve done it? > > Thank you for reading this and I hope that it will have a positive effect. > > 73 > > David G4NRT From k2mk at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 10:44:31 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:44:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 bug In-Reply-To: <54A2B6AF.2080603@gmail.com> References: <54A1D759.5050805@foothill.net> <54A2B6AF.2080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419954271028-7596573.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jim, There's been some testing done and e-mail communication off the reflector and it appears as though the culprit is the SVGA board. If those that have the problem go into the P3 sub menu and disable the SVGA board the problem should be eliminated. Test data has been passed to Wayne who has put the problem on the list of problems to be resolved. There have been posts from others experiencing hang-ups who don't have the SVGA board. Hopefully the future fix that Elecraft produces will solve all hang-up problems. 73, Mike K2MK Jim Rogers wrote > Well, I guess I will chime in as well. I have spent some time this > morning trying at various speeds etc. and I cannot for the life of me > get my P3 to "hang". I spent most of my operating time on CW and RTTY > using HRD latest beta, and DM780 and Navigator interface which has a > built in K1EL Keyer. I tried via the software and with the paddles. To > quote from years ago in the space industry, "NTF" (no trouble found). > > K3 with latest beta firmware > P3 with latest release firmware > KPA-500 with latest release firmware > KAT-500 with latest release firmware > I could not be happier with this setup. > Jim, W4ATK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-bug-tp7596520p7596573.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue Dec 30 10:45:46 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Err BPF2 Message-ID: <280D5515188A4E8687588905A16E7A59@HPE250f> > Nobody knows the cure for ERR BPF2? > Mike NF4L Mike, remove and reseat the KBPF3 > The manual says to *De Install the KBPF3.> > I don't want to get rid of my KBPF3. What does the asterisk refer to? It refers to the note at the top of the page, which reads: * = See module de-installation instructions on previous page. GL, Bruce N1RX From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 30 10:57:26 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:57:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Heat Sink Improved and Now Shipping In-Reply-To: <201412301533.sBUFX3cs051535@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412301533.sBUFX3cs051535@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54A2CB66.9080108@socal.rr.com> Ed, can you mount the combo? As I recall I had to remove the original plate on my KX3 to mount Fred's heat sink. This aspect of the new Elecraft approach "A high-performance, die-cut thermal gasket is used between the rear panel and heat sink to ensure excellent heat transfer" is most interesting. Your comparisons of the Cooler-KX vs. the new Elecraft heat sink will be very interesting! Phil W7OX On 12/30/14 7:32 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Ordered my KX3 Elecraft Heat sink, yesterday. > > I already use the Cooler-KX heat sink made by > VE7FMN so will be interesting to see how the two > compare and how the combo work together. I will > repeat temp compensation procedure and do over > frequency drift testing for > 1. Elecraft heat sink, only > 2. Combo > I already have measurements of the VE7FMN heat > sink: > http://www.kl7uw.com/KX3.htm > > Check VE7FMN website for updated prices (link > from my webpage). > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 30 11:32:42 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (n8rt via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:32:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Want to buy KAT500 antenna tuner Message-ID: <1419957162328-7596576.post@n2.nabble.com> Want to buy KAT500 antenna tuner, please state *Factory or kit build,age,* pay with PAY PAL only, no fee to seller. thanks rob N8RT 772-236-9764 , mcyman at yahoo.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Want-to-buy-KAT500-antenna-tuner-tp7596576.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nf4l at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 11:41:36 2014 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:41:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Err BPF2 In-Reply-To: <92921E98-2560-4C44-B702-04592A32C988@comcast.net> References: <92921E98-2560-4C44-B702-04592A32C988@comcast.net> Message-ID: <874722E1-15FE-4BF8-AC33-610BC1B45D12@comcast.net> OK, so how about ERR BP2? Mike > On Dec 30, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > Nobody knows the cure for ERR BPF2? > > Mike NF4L > >> On Dec 29, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> >> When I power up the K3, it shows ERR BPF2. Pushing any button causes the message to go away. >> >> The manual says to *De Install the KBPF3. >> >> I don't want to get rid of my KBPF3. What does the asterisk refer to? >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Tue Dec 30 11:46:39 2014 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:46:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] What's the deal with the keyboard attachment to P3? Message-ID: <54A2D6EF.1060600@sunflower.com> Hi Guys, Thinking about ordering the P3.....actually gonna do it! What is the deal about the USB keyboard with the SVGA option? Does this imply that I could run the radio from this keyboard? Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. 73, love my k3! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue Dec 30 12:05:28 2014 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:05:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Err BPF2 Message-ID: <77ECFF19FA674AB09FDDAEA343D31886@HPE250f> There _IS_ no ERR BPF2, only BP2. I assumed that was what you meat in the first place. See pg 68 of the owner's manual. GL, Bruce N1RX OK, so how about ERR BP2? Mike > On Dec 30, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > Nobody knows the cure for ERR BPF2? > > Mike NF4L From davidahrendts at me.com Tue Dec 30 12:08:39 2014 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:08:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with KXUSB Message-ID: <6E8368CB-669B-487F-A9C1-1528E10C8F60@me.com> Thought I would try running the KXPA100 utility continually just to monitor transmit paremeters, but I discover that with the KXUSB connected, the KX3 will not initialize the KXPA100 PA mode. Menu>PA Mode>On and nothing happens. Remove the KXUSB, PA mode is fine. No big, but is that intentional? I am running the KAT500 and the W2 utility programs continually via their KXUSB cables since it gives excellent higher rez stats on output, performance. Happy New Year everyone. David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Dec 30 12:35:10 2014 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:35:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with KXUSB In-Reply-To: <6E8368CB-669B-487F-A9C1-1528E10C8F60@me.com> References: <6E8368CB-669B-487F-A9C1-1528E10C8F60@me.com> Message-ID: <1419960910470-7596581.post@n2.nabble.com> I have done what you are trying to do several times with no problem. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-with-KXUSB-tp7596580p7596581.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 30 12:35:29 2014 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:35:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <201412300801.sBU81YEl096760@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201412300801.sBU81YEl096760@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,12/30/2014 12:01 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I concur. As result of this discussion and because I will soon add > another 240vac outlet to serve my 50v-50a switching PS being installed > to power a 1100w surplus ch.2 TV Harris amplifier (for use on 6m), I > looked closely at some of the twist-lock plugs I had in my parts. > > They are three contact plugs, so are unable to carry a safety ground > for splitting out 120vac. WRONG! ALL power outlets MUST include safety ground (the green wire). To do otherwise is both unsafe and a violation of virtually all building codes in the civilized world. A 240V outlet with a 3-circuit plug MUST carry the two 240V phase conductors and GROUND, NOT NEUTRAL. If you want to connect equipment that includes a 120V load to that circuit, you MUST use a 4-circuit plug for that load. In North America, nearly all homes are supplied by a transformer (outside the premises) with a center-tapped 240V secondary. The center tap is the neutral. 240V loads are connected end-to end, 120V loads are connected end to neutral. Those ends are called "phases." To connect dedicated 120V loads to that circuit, the 120V outlets must have one of the "phase" conductors, neutral, and ground. To equalize loading, it's good practice to split those 120V outlets between the two phase conductors (that is, opposing sides of the 240V transformer). > They are legal for 240vac as the third contact is the safety ground. Yes. > When wiring my shack for 240vac I bought No.8-4 conductor cable > (three-No. 8 and one solid copper No.12 wire in the cable. So the > 60amp load box is properly connected to provide 120v break out as well > as 240vac with standard breakers. But my 240v outlets are only good > for 240v as a result. That sounds fine, except that what you can connect to those 240V outlets depends on how they are wired. If they are 3-circuit outlets with phase, phase, and ground, you can, indeed, connect only a 240V load. If they are 4-circuit outlets with phase, phase, neutral, and ground, you can connect a load that draws both 240V between the phases and 120V from one phase to neutral. Also, I'd be concerned about the size of that ground conductor. In general, the ground conductor must be sized at least equal to the phase conductors. 73, Jim K9YC From k2asp at kanafi.org Tue Dec 30 12:49:17 2014 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:49:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201412300801.sBU81YEl096760@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54A2E59D.9050104@kanafi.org> On 12/30/2014 9:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > In general, the ground conductor must be sized at least equal to the > phase conductors. I was always under the impression that the ground wire must be sized for the circuit overcurrent rating (i.e. breaker/fuse rating). I have on several occasions specified circuit (and neutral) ampacities greater than the overcurrent rating just to eliminate voltage drop at the load. This is important in low-voltage (12/24/48 v) applications in comm centers. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Dec 30 12:54:53 2014 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:54:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Heat Sink Improved and Now Shipping In-Reply-To: <201412301533.sBUFX3cs051535@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201412301533.sBUFX3cs051535@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <7C69A084-6F18-46E8-8F8A-D48D0C7D91AC@elecraft.com> Ed, There should be no need to re-do the extended temperature compensation procedure, regardless of which heat sink you're using. This procedure creates a table of temperature-vs.-frequency correction values. They apply identically to any heat sink; the only thing that is changing is the rate at which temperature increases. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 30, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Ordered my KX3 Elecraft Heat sink, yesterday. > > I already use the Cooler-KX heat sink made by VE7FMN so will be interesting to see how the two compare and how the combo work together. I will repeat temp compensation procedure and do over frequency drift testing for > 1. Elecraft heat sink, only > 2. Combo > I already have measurements of the VE7FMN heat sink: > http://www.kl7uw.com/KX3.htm > > Check VE7FMN website for updated prices (link from my webpage). > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n1al at sonic.net Tue Dec 30 12:57:30 2014 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:57:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201412300801.sBU81YEl096760@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54A2E78A.3020908@sonic.net> I'm not an electrician, but I am currently having my house wiring re-done by an electrician and this is my understanding: If you want to run 220V and 110V outlets from the same breaker, you need to use a sub-panel with separate breakers for the 110V circuits. Four wires are needed from the main panel, two hots, neutral and ground. The ground can be a smaller gauge so long as it goes only to circuits that are protected by a circuit breaker suited for that gauge. I did something similar to that when I wired my well, which is about 400 ft away from my house. I wanted a 110V outlet and light in the pump house as well as 220V for the pump. Alan N1AL On 12/30/2014 09:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,12/30/2014 12:01 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> When wiring my shack for 240vac I bought No.8-4 conductor cable >> (three-No. 8 and one solid copper No.12 wire in the cable. So the >> 60amp load box is properly connected to provide 120v break out as >> well as 240vac with standard breakers. But my 240v outlets are only >> good for 240v as a result. > > That sounds fine, except that what you can connect to those 240V > outlets depends on how they are wired. If they are 3-circuit outlets > with phase, phase, and ground, you can, indeed, connect only a 240V > load. If they are 4-circuit outlets with phase, phase, neutral, and > ground, you can connect a load that draws both 240V between the phases > and 120V from one phase to neutral. Also, I'd be concerned about the > size of that ground conductor. In general, the ground conductor must > be sized at least equal to the phase conductors. From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Dec 30 13:04:27 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:04:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible P3 Anomaly Message-ID: <54A2E92B.7070901@foothill.net> Since Wayne has returned from the holidays and the P3 Freeze is on the list, here's a little more "data" but not necessarily "information" ... I have never observed the behavior being discussed on the P3 Bug thread. I have always observed the following: Select band 1 [doesn't matter what band], set REF LVL to put the noise on the baseline. Waterfall background is black, signals show up white [I'm in monochrome WF mode]. Select band 2 [doesn't matter what band], set REF LVL to put the noise on the baseline. Re-select band 1. The noise will be above the baseline by about 10 dB or so and WF background will show the noise. After maybe 2 seconds, noise shifts down to the baseline and WF background goes black. Happens every time I change bands, regardless of how I do it [BAND UP/DN on K3, band buttons on KPA500, or typing a frequency in the N1MM entry window], and it always has. I don't think it is related in any way to the discussion but one never knows with software. During those 2 sec, it appears the P3 is receiving and displaying a valid spectrum, just offset above the baseline. It's not a problem for me, I consider it normal operation and it is what it is. But, just in case it's relevant ... 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Dec 30 14:10:44 2014 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics Message-ID: <5FBCC259-59EB-47D0-AF58-774D98168564@widomaker.com> To whoever wants sch arcs foe the KPA500..... Go to the website and type "schematics" in the search block at upper right and press ENTER. You will find all the Elecraft schematics you want (maybe 9 or 10 screens of them). BTW: are you hearing a CLICK or just a click? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Dec 30 14:19:00 2014 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics In-Reply-To: <5FBCC259-59EB-47D0-AF58-774D98168564@widomaker.com> References: <5FBCC259-59EB-47D0-AF58-774D98168564@widomaker.com> Message-ID: I suspect the OP is using an RX antenna without some sort of limiter and as a result the COR (carrier operated relays) which try to protect the RX are engaging. I had this problem before I put in exterior protection. You may hear them click with every key down if something like the KPA500 is in use. jim ab3cv On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Nr4c wrote: > To whoever wants sch arcs foe the KPA500..... > > Go to the website and type "schematics" in the search block at upper right > and press ENTER. You will find all the Elecraft schematics you want (maybe > 9 or 10 screens of them). > > BTW: are you hearing a CLICK or just a click? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > > From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue Dec 30 14:42:37 2014 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics Message-ID: Don't think you will find the KPA500 schematics there.... nor the KAT500 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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To whoever wants sch arcs foe the KPA500..... Go to the website and type "schematics" in the search block at upper right and press ENTER. You will find all the Elecraft schematics you want (maybe 9 or 10 screens of them). BTW: are you hearing a CLICK or just a click? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 30 15:56:27 2014 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:56:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 240V Line In-Reply-To: <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201412300801.sBU81YEl096760@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54A2E261.6080409@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54A3117B.70507@elecraft.com> Folks - Let's close this thread for now to reduce list SNR due to the large volume of posts. In the future, please also refrain from using ALL CAPS and "!" in emails, as those are interpreted as shouting and are not appropriate for this list. 73, Eric elecraft.com On 12/30/2014 9:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,12/30/2014 12:01 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> I concur. As result of this discussion and because I will soon add another >> 240vac outlet to serve my 50v-50a switching PS being installed to power a >> 1100w surplus ch.2 TV Harris amplifier (for use on 6m), I looked closely at >> some of the twist-lock plugs I had in my parts. >> >> They are three contact plugs, so are unable to carry a safety ground for >> splitting out 120vac. > > WRONG! ALL power outlets MUST include safety ground (the green wire). To do > otherwise is both unsafe and a violation From rickard.garvare at ltu.se Tue Dec 30 16:18:54 2014 From: rickard.garvare at ltu.se (SA2CIR) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:18:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders In-Reply-To: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for informative pictures and writing! Yesterday the SPEED/MIC control of my four months old K3 started acting like a scratchy potentiometer with intermittent contact. I got quick response from Elecraft?s support and am now preparing for a soldering operation similar to the one described. What bothers me is that during the first 10 seconds or so after switching on the K3 the turning response of this encoder is perfectly ok, and then starts to degrade. This behavior repeats every time I boot it up. How come? The pushbutton function works all the time. Soldering on the circuit board of course involves some risk. Could the present encoder perhaps be resurrected in some way, avoiding replacement? Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant. 73, Rickard / SA2CIR N5NA wrote > This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has been a > problem for several years. When I ordered the encoder Elecraft > recommended replacing all four. The encoders are only $3.34 each plus > $3.50 for shipping. > > I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at > http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html > > > 73, Alan N5NA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3-front-panel-encoders-tp7594936p7596591.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From oh6ct at sral.fi Tue Dec 30 16:43:19 2014 From: oh6ct at sral.fi (Olli Tuppurainen) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 23:43:19 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders In-Reply-To: <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000101d02479$a0f44470$e2dccd50$@sral.fi> I replaced all four encoders ( with help from my friend ) couple of days ago. It was quite a job as the whole front panel has to be taken into pieces and DSP boards has to be taken off. A good SMD rework station is recommended to clean through holes + experience in rework not to damage foils in PCB. New encoders are bit thicker so height difference has to be taken into account while assembling . New encoders work smooth and great. One notice, be careful when taking off the knobs as at least RIT encoder is not having nothing else than small soft metal clips holding it together ( Encoders metal nut has been left out as there is no room or thin enough nut was not available at the time mine was built ) BR Olli OH6CT > -----Alkuper?inen viesti----- > L?hett?j?: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Puolesta > SA2CIR > L?hetetty: 30. joulukuuta 2014 23:19 > Vastaanottaja: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Aihe: Re: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders > > Thanks for informative pictures and writing! Yesterday the SPEED/MIC > control of my four months old K3 started acting like a scratchy potentiometer > with intermittent contact. I got quick response from Elecraft?s support and > am now preparing for a soldering operation similar to the one described. > > What bothers me is that during the first 10 seconds or so after switching on > the K3 the turning response of this encoder is perfectly ok, and then starts to > degrade. This behavior repeats every time I boot it up. How come? The > pushbutton function works all the time. Soldering on the circuit board of > course involves some risk. Could the present encoder perhaps be > resurrected in some way, avoiding replacement? > > Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for > shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant. > > 73, Rickard / SA2CIR > > N5NA wrote > > This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has > been a > > problem for several years. When I ordered the encoder Elecraft > > recommended replacing all four. The encoders are only $3.34 each plus > > $3.50 for shipping. > > > > I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at > > http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-P > > ush-Button-Encoders.html > > > Push-Button-Encoders.html> > > > > 73, Alan N5NA > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3- > front-panel-encoders-tp7594936p7596591.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to oh6ct at sral.fi From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 30 16:54:02 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:54:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders In-Reply-To: <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com> I thought there was a way to have such warranty work done in Italy. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/30/14 1:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote: > Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for > shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant. > > 73, Rickard / SA2CIR > > N5NA wrote >> This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has been a >> problem for several years. When I ordered the encoder Elecraft >> recommended replacing all four. The encoders are only $3.34 each plus >> $3.50 for shipping. >> >> I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at >> http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html >> >> >> 73, Alan N5NA From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Dec 30 18:02:05 2014 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:02:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - very quiet Message-ID: <002301d02484$a240e7b0$e6c2b710$@verizon.net> Finally got around to moving the KPA500 to the basement. No more fan noise in the shack when on RTTY. It is mounted near the basement ceiling pretty much right under my feet. It is on the same platform as my Acom 2000A. Got one switch in the shack to switch amps. Using the KPA500 remote program. Ran a control cable and a RS232 cable to the amp. When I get time I want to try N4PY's program for remote control. Now I have both K3's side by side again. 73 and Happy New Year! N2TK, Tony From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Dec 30 18:22:11 2014 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:22:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard Message-ID: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> I have the P3 with the SVGA board. But I do not have an external monitor. The way I read the manual is that you need to hook up an external monitor to use a keyboard and to have the transmit and receive data windows. Is that correct? The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that I don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the SVGA option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs to be displayed on the same monitor, correct? Just want to verify in case things changed. 73 and Happy New Year! N2TK, Tony From wes at triconet.org Tue Dec 30 18:33:08 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:33:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics In-Reply-To: References: <5FBCC259-59EB-47D0-AF58-774D98168564@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <54A33634.6050109@triconet.org> Not even close. On 12/30/2014 12:19 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I suspect the OP is using an RX antenna without some sort of limiter and as > a result the COR (carrier operated relays) which try to protect the RX are > engaging. > > I had this problem before I put in exterior protection. You may hear them > click with every key down if something like the KPA500 is in use. > > jim ab3cv > From myronschaffer at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 18:43:30 2014 From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:43:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2DSP Default State Message-ID: <9533461D-B0D9-4756-A9D3-E02C12C389F1@gmail.com> How do I make the DSP bypassed by default when I power up my K2? Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:20:24 2014 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:20:24 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics In-Reply-To: <54A33634.6050109@triconet.org> References: <5FBCC259-59EB-47D0-AF58-774D98168564@widomaker.com> <54A33634.6050109@triconet.org> Message-ID: Instead of clutter on the reflector.....request whatever you need from elecraft support....seems logical to me Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 31/12/2014 9:33 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > Not even close. > > On 12/30/2014 12:19 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> I suspect the OP is using an RX antenna without some sort of limiter and >> as >> a result the COR (carrier operated relays) which try to protect the RX are >> engaging. >> >> I had this problem before I put in exterior protection. You may hear them >> click with every key down if something like the KPA500 is in use. >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From kb2m at arrl.net Tue Dec 30 19:26:08 2014 From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions In-Reply-To: <024d01d02425$9829a3c0$c87ceb40$@net> References: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> <54A27676.2060603@necg.de> <024d01d02425$9829a3c0$c87ceb40$@net> Message-ID: <004e01d02490$5fbe9340$1f3bb9c0$@net> Tonite I disconnected the KPA500 from the K3 ACC port. I then connected the RRC-1258 directly to the K3 ACC port. The RRC-1258 now powers the K3 off and on, not just off. I find it hard to believe no one besides me has run into this yet. I will wait for the return call from Elecraft support to resolve the KPA500 problem. When I get an answer I will post it here.... 73 an a HNY Jeff kb2m From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:36:25 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2DSP Default State In-Reply-To: <9533461D-B0D9-4756-A9D3-E02C12C389F1@gmail.com> References: <9533461D-B0D9-4756-A9D3-E02C12C389F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54A34509.108@embarqmail.com> Myron, You are not able to do that, but what you can do is set the KDSP2 FL1 position to LoPass for CW, SSB and RTTY (if applicable) - NR and NT off. That will cut the high frequency hiss and do nothing else. If you find you need additional DSP filtering, then hold the AFIL button to change to FL2, FL3 and FL4 to give you additional degrees of DSP filtering. I would suggest that you narrow the IF passband using XFIL as a first measure to eliminate QRM and noise before narrowing the AFIL setting. The KDSP2 DSP is in the audio path only where the XFIL settings narrow the IF channel. Note that the K3 is different, the DSP is processed at the 15 kHz IF frequency rather than at audio frequencies - so in the K3, the DSP determines the bandwidth of the IF channel. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2014 6:43 PM, Myron WV?H wrote: > How do I make the DSP bypassed by default when I power up my K2? > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:39:14 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:39:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remoterig k3/0 mini questions In-Reply-To: <004e01d02490$5fbe9340$1f3bb9c0$@net> References: <01a001d023b7$927eb870$b77c2950$@net> <54A27676.2060603@necg.de> <024d01d02425$9829a3c0$c87ceb40$@net> <004e01d02490$5fbe9340$1f3bb9c0$@net> Message-ID: <54A345B2.8050701@embarqmail.com> Jeff, Do you have the Key Line Isolator in the K3 ACC connector line? I suspect that may be the problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2014 7:26 PM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote: > Tonite I disconnected the KPA500 from the K3 ACC port. I then connected the > RRC-1258 directly to the K3 ACC port. The RRC-1258 now powers the K3 off and > on, not just off. I find it hard to believe no one besides me has run into > this yet. I will wait for the return call from Elecraft support to resolve > the KPA500 problem. When I get an answer I will post it here.... > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Dec 30 19:45:05 2014 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Kontor via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Possible P3 Anomaly In-Reply-To: <54A2E92B.7070901@foothill.net> References: <54A2E92B.7070901@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1316117597.1747727.1419986705996.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100177.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> All, I have noticed the long (several second hang time) before the P3 switches back to RX after Xmit.I do have the XVGA board installed to drive my 20" 16x9 Monitor.I have also noticed that at times the display on the monitor is offset from the P3 display, eg the P3 display shows signals within my TX and RX band width markers, but the signals (or the marker) do not align on the large monitor. Resetting the P3 resolves the display alignment problem, but not the refresh or hang time problem. Ken - W8KEN On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:27 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Since Wayne has returned from the holidays and the P3 Freeze is on the list, here's a little more "data" but not necessarily "information" ... I have never observed the behavior being discussed on the P3 Bug thread. I have always observed the following: Select band 1 [doesn't matter what band], set REF LVL to put the noise on the baseline.? Waterfall background is black, signals show up white [I'm in monochrome WF mode]. Select band 2 [doesn't matter what band], set REF LVL to put the noise on the baseline. Re-select band 1.? The noise will be above the baseline by about 10 dB or so and WF background will show the noise. After maybe 2 seconds, noise shifts down to the baseline and WF background goes black. Happens every time I change bands, regardless of how I do it [BAND UP/DN on K3, band buttons on KPA500, or typing a frequency in the N1MM entry window], and it always has. I don't think it is related in any way to the discussion but one never knows with software.? During those 2 sec, it appears the P3 is receiving and displaying a valid spectrum, just offset above the baseline.? It's not a problem for me, I consider it normal operation and it is what it is.? But, just in case it's relevant ... 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w8ken at yahoo.com From k2mk at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 19:46:35 2014 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:46:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard In-Reply-To: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> References: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1419986795768-7596603.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Tony, Nothing has changed, you cannot view a windows screen from your PC and the enlarged P3 image from the SVGA board on your external monitor simultaneously. You can, however, switch between multiple inputs on most modern LCD monitors. Frequently with a push button on the front of the monitor. 73, Mike K2MK N2TK wrote > I have the P3 with the SVGA board. But I do not have an external monitor. > The way I read the manual is that you need to hook up an external monitor > to > use a keyboard and to have the transmit and receive data windows. Is that > correct? > > The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that I > don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the > SVGA > option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs to > be > displayed on the same monitor, correct? > > Just want to verify in case things changed. > > 73 and Happy New Year! > > N2TK, Tony -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Keyboard-tp7596595p7596603.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:50:35 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:50:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders In-Reply-To: <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54A3485B.6060601@embarqmail.com> Richard, I don't know of any way to resurrect a failing encoder. The fact that the switch works is entirely different - the switch function is not related to the rotational function of the encoder. I would simply replace the encoder. As far as the fact that it works for the first 10 seconds after a power up is not really significant, that depends on the starting position of the encoder. If the output from the encoder does not cycle in the A to B (or B to A) sequence, the control will not be smooth, even though subsequent (through frustration) rotation of the encoder will produce some results. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2014 4:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote: > Thanks for informative pictures and writing! Yesterday the SPEED/MIC control > of my four months old K3 started acting like a scratchy potentiometer with > intermittent contact. I got quick response from Elecraft?s support and am > now preparing for a soldering operation similar to the one described. > > What bothers me is that during the first 10 seconds or so after switching on > the K3 the turning response of this encoder is perfectly ok, and then starts > to degrade. This behavior repeats every time I boot it up. How come? The > pushbutton function works all the time. Soldering on the circuit board of > course involves some risk. Could the present encoder perhaps be resurrected > in some way, avoiding replacement? > > Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for > shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant. > > From myronschaffer at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 20:08:07 2014 From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2DSP Default State In-Reply-To: <54A34509.108@embarqmail.com> References: <9533461D-B0D9-4756-A9D3-E02C12C389F1@gmail.com> <54A34509.108@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <31FCEE11-F820-4025-A6F1-447C9C1C438B@gmail.com> Thanks Don. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Myron, > > You are not able to do that, but what you can do is set the KDSP2 FL1 position to LoPass for CW, SSB and RTTY (if applicable) - NR and NT off. > That will cut the high frequency hiss and do nothing else. > > If you find you need additional DSP filtering, then hold the AFIL button to change to FL2, FL3 and FL4 to give you additional degrees of DSP filtering. > > I would suggest that you narrow the IF passband using XFIL as a first measure to eliminate QRM and noise before narrowing the AFIL setting. The KDSP2 DSP is in the audio path only where the XFIL settings narrow the IF channel. > > Note that the K3 is different, the DSP is processed at the 15 kHz IF frequency rather than at audio frequencies - so in the K3, the DSP determines the bandwidth of the IF channel. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 12/30/2014 6:43 PM, Myron WV?H wrote: >> How do I make the DSP bypassed by default when I power up my K2? > From kevinemtid at tvcconnect.net Tue Dec 30 21:50:52 2014 From: kevinemtid at tvcconnect.net (NZ1I) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:50:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Transverter Problems Message-ID: Hi Folks, I am adding the xv 432 to my K2 station. I have previously setup and run the other three- XV 50, 144, and 222, without any problems. Upon adding the XV 432 to ADR 4 and TRN 4, Both the XV 222 and 432 light up when I go to TRN 3 for the 222 txvr. When I go to TRN 4, both go out and 432 still does not work. I have checked all the Switches inside the XV's so that are set properly, i .e. 1 on for xv 50, 2 on for xv 144, 3 on for xv 222 and 4 on for xv 432. If I operate the xv 432 or 222 by itself they seem to work fine. Any help would be Appreciated!! 73, Kevin NZ1I K2 # 7362 all bells and whistles -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Transverter-Problems-tp7596606.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 30 23:38:27 2014 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 23:38:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Transverter Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54A37DC3.9000304@embarqmail.com> Kevin, Check both the XV222 and the XV432 for the values of R30, R31, R32 , R33 and R35. Then check for any solder bridges at those resistors and also at SW1. You may be able to shorten the checking procedure by seeing if either responds to both TRN3 and TRN4. The one that responds to both is the one at fault. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2014 9:50 PM, NZ1I wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am adding the xv 432 to my K2 station. I have previously setup and run > the other three- XV 50, 144, and 222, without any problems. > > Upon adding the XV 432 to ADR 4 and TRN 4, Both the XV 222 and 432 light > up when I go to TRN 3 for the 222 txvr. When I go to TRN 4, both go out and > 432 still does not work. > > I have checked all the Switches inside the XV's so that are set properly, i > .e. 1 on for xv 50, 2 on for xv 144, 3 on for xv 222 and 4 on for xv 432. > > If I operate the xv 432 or 222 by itself they seem to work fine. > > From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 31 01:41:36 2014 From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard In-Reply-To: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> References: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <54A39AA0.3040100@embarqmail.com> Tony, FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer. I seldom use the computer while operating. If I do, I can still use the P3. Dick, n0ce On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that I > don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the SVGA > option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs to be > displayed on the same monitor, correct? > > Just want to verify in case things changed. > > From paul20 at talk21.com Wed Dec 31 04:59:16 2014 From: paul20 at talk21.com (Paul20) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:59:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi (Irwin Darack) Message-ID: <1420019956.33732.YahooMailNeo@web87701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> You can use the raspberrypi as a nice little panadapter for the KX3, Some reading here http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/blog/M0JMO-Tiny_Python_Panadapter-Raspberry_Pi_Setup_Guide-v1_2.pdf http://www.aa6e.net/wiki/Tiny_Python_Panadapter#Important:_For_all_Pi_Users_--_Fixing_the_.22Freeze.22_problem Cheers Paul GI4FZD From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 06:20:53 2014 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:20:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard In-Reply-To: <1419986795768-7596603.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> <1419986795768-7596603.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <009c01d024eb$d7b6a490$8723edb0$@verizon.net> Tnx Mike for the feedback. Wanted to verify I had not missed something. Nice idea on switching multiple inputs. Had not thought of that. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:47 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard Hi Tony, Nothing has changed, you cannot view a windows screen from your PC and the enlarged P3 image from the SVGA board on your external monitor simultaneously. You can, however, switch between multiple inputs on most modern LCD monitors. Frequently with a push button on the front of the monitor. 73, Mike K2MK N2TK wrote > I have the P3 with the SVGA board. But I do not have an external monitor. > The way I read the manual is that you need to hook up an external > monitor to use a keyboard and to have the transmit and receive data > windows. Is that correct? > > The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is > that I don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming > that the SVGA option still does not let you size the window and allow > other programs to be displayed on the same monitor, correct? > > Just want to verify in case things changed. > > 73 and Happy New Year! > > N2TK, Tony -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Keyboard-tp7596595p7596603.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Wed Dec 31 06:30:48 2014 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:30:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying In-Reply-To: <5496DFA1.2070501@g3tct.co.uk> References: <0BD5A6DB-A685-441E-B220-22F36A16FFEC@elecraft.com>, <5491B28E.1060707@g3tct.co.uk> <5495D34F.11474.14B487B@Gary.ka1j.com> <5496DFA1.2070501@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <54A3DE68.7030100@g3tct.co.uk> Since updating my K3 f/w to 5.01, I find that the time to switch between VFO A and B has increased noticeably - it used to be near instantaneous. This is not good when used in a contest and needing to switch rapidly between frequencies. Anyone else noticed this? 73 and HNY Graham From PKA at telepost.gl Wed Dec 31 06:50:34 2014 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:50:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders In-Reply-To: <54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com> References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>, <54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <3A06FB72-E671-4773-AB9A-161FF8142622@telepost.gl> Be aware that for warranty work in Italy you will have to pay shipping both forth and back. 73, Paul OZ4UN Sendt fra min iPad > Den 30/12/2014 kl. 22.54 skrev "Phil Wheeler" : > > I thought there was a way to have such warranty work done in Italy. > > 73, Phil W7OX > >> On 12/30/14 1:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote: >> Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for >> shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant. >> >> 73, Rickard / SA2CIR >> >> N5NA wrote >>> This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has been a >>> problem for several years. When I ordered the encoder Elecraft >>> recommended replacing all four. The encoders are only $3.34 each plus >>> $3.50 for shipping. >>> >>> I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at >>> http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html >>> >>> >>> 73, Alan N5NA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pka at tele.gl From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 08:37:00 2014 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:37:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard In-Reply-To: <54A39AA0.3040100@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d02487$709ee1f0$51dca5d0$@verizon.net> <54A39AA0.3040100@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <00ce01d024fe$db90d6e0$92b284a0$@verizon.net> Tnx Dick. I may have to hook up a third monitor temporarily to see if I would really use the keyboard plugged into the P3 with its SVGA functions. If I like it then I will have to decide how to best set it up on one of the two existing monitors. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Fjeld Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:42 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard Tony, FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer. I seldom use the computer while operating. If I do, I can still use the P3. Dick, n0ce On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is > that I don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming > that the SVGA option still does not let you size the window and allow > other programs to be displayed on the same monitor, correct? > > Just want to verify in case things changed. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From ad0es at ad0es.net Wed Dec 31 10:10:09 2014 From: ad0es at ad0es.net (AD0ES) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:10:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 128, Issue 49 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I have a pi with a GPS shield attached that I use to run an NTPD server. Not having internet access I needed an accurate time source for digital modes. It has worked out quite well. Check out: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html http://blog.retep.org/2012/06/18/getting-gps-to-work-on-a-raspberry-pi/ On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:20 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, James Bennett wrote: > >> Just wondering if any folks on this reflector have been using the >> Raspberry Pi (RPI) computer with their rigs or any other ham-related >> "stuff"? > From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 10:10:56 2014 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:10:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Possible Bug - Refresh Rate Slow Depending on KX3 Digital Mode Selected Message-ID: Received a PX3 for Christmas. Have been very happy with the unit. However, I noticed what appears to be an inconsistency. What I have observed is that at certain spans (e.g., 2, 5, and 10), the PX3 refresh rate appears to slow down depending on the KX3 digital mode selected (e.g., AFSK A, Data A, PSK D, FSK D). Yet, the PX3 refresh rate is always 80ms when I check for each span/mode combination. PX3 Text display, waterfall, and spectrum scope all enabled with MKR A on. KX3 is set to 14.070Mhz, AGC-F, VOX, FL2. What I mean by slow is of course anecdotal; it is my perception, not measured. At say a span (PX3) of 2 and data mode of PSK D (KX3), the waterfall and spectrum scope appear to be refreshing at a rate I expect based on first impressions with the PX3 out-of-the-box. But, if I change the KX3 data mode to DATA A, the PX3 refresh rate appears to slow down considerably. The same slow down occurs when I change to AFSK A. But, when I move to FSK D or PSK D, the PX3 rate appears to return to a more normal speed. However, this pattern changes when I switch the PX3's span to 5. Now, KX3 PSK D and FSK D data modes seem to have slower PX3 refresh rates than DATA A and AFSK A. Finally, moving the span to 10, I observe the opposite, but not as pronounced; more like the pattern when the span was 2. At a span of 20 and above, I don't notice the difference between the PX3 refresh rates at different KX3 data modes. I have firmware: KX3 - 2.27 / 1.30 PX3 - 1.16 regards, Brian VE3IBW From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 31 10:36:44 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:36:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi (Irwin Darack) In-Reply-To: <1420019956.33732.YahooMailNeo@web87701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1420019956.33732.YahooMailNeo@web87701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54A4180C.5010002@socal.rr.com> I built one of those, and it was an interesting learning experience. But its performance doesn't come close to the PX3, which I later acquired. Panadapters tend to be an addictive operating tool. Once I started using the K3-P3 combo I found that operating any rig without one was like flying blind. And having used my P3, the PX3 for my KX3 was hard to resist. But doing the TPP for use with the KX3 was a fun project with just enough frustration to make it interesting :-) The guide done by Josh, M0JMO in the first link below -- and some helpful emails from Josh -- were invaluable to me. Using his parameters I never ran into the freeze problem mentioned in the second link. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/31/14 1:59 AM, Paul20 wrote: > You can use the raspberrypi as a nice little panadapter for the KX3, > Some reading here > > http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/blog/M0JMO-Tiny_Python_Panadapter-Raspberry_Pi_Setup_Guide-v1_2.pdf > > http://www.aa6e.net/wiki/Tiny_Python_Panadapter#Important:_For_all_Pi_Users_--_Fixing_the_.22Freeze.22_problem > > Cheers > Paul > GI4FZD From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 31 10:40:39 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:40:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders In-Reply-To: <3A06FB72-E671-4773-AB9A-161FF8142622@telepost.gl> References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com> <1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>, <54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com> <3A06FB72-E671-4773-AB9A-161FF8142622@telepost.gl> Message-ID: <54A418F7.1080700@socal.rr.com> But how does that compare to shipping back and forth across the Atlantic, Poul? Being 300 miles from Elecraft that's a comparison I've not had to make -- but Rickard did mention that factor in his message, so I thought perhaps he was not aware of the Italy option (and I don't really know if it would apply to his situation). 73, Phil W7OX On 12/31/14 3:50 AM, Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) wrote: > Be aware that for warranty work in Italy you will have to pay shipping both forth and back. > > 73, Paul OZ4UN > Sendt fra min iPad > >> Den 30/12/2014 kl. 22.54 skrev "Phil Wheeler" : >> >> I thought there was a way to have such warranty work done in Italy. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >>> On 12/30/14 1:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote: >>> Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for >>> shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant. >>> >>> 73, Rickard / SA2CIR >>> >>> N5NA wrote >>>> This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has been a >>>> problem for several years. When I ordered the encoder Elecraft >>>> recommended replacing all four. The encoders are only $3.34 each plus >>>> $3.50 for shipping. >>>> >>>> I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at >>>> http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, Alan N5NA From pauls at elecraft.com Wed Dec 31 12:41:38 2014 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:41:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Possible Bug - Refresh Rate Slow Depending on KX3 Digital Mode Selected In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1420047698728-7596618.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Brian, The slower refresh rate at narrower spans is normal. The reason is that at these narrower spans (below 24 KHz) we effectively down sample the I/Q stream. Down sampling requires the PX3 to acquire many more samples for each screen which directly affects the refresh rate. The sampling rate is tied to the SPAN, and the SPAN setting is stored per MODE. Verify that as you change digital modes, the span stays the same. My guess is that the span set for USB is different than LSB and this becomes the issue as FSK uses USB and PSK uses LSB. Kind regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Possible-Bug-Refresh-Rate-Slow-Depending-on-KX3-Digital-Mode-Selected-tp7596615p7596618.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From darren.long at mac.com Wed Dec 31 17:26:25 2014 From: darren.long at mac.com (Darren Long) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:26:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] ghpsdr3-kx3-server available on github Message-ID: <54A47811.40606@mac.com> In case anyone is interested in using QtRadio (i.e. from the ghpsdr3-alex repo on github) with their KX3, I've bodged together the ghpsdr3-kx3-server project on github. I hope someone finds it of use ... https://github.com/g0hww/ghpsdr3-kx3-server A screenshot of QtRadio running with the KX3 can be seen here (not that you can tell that there's a KX3 involved): http://www.g0hww.net/2014/12/ghpsdr3-kx3-server-available-on-github.html Cheers, 73 Darren, G0HWW From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 31 17:42:15 2014 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:42:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ghpsdr3-kx3-server available on github In-Reply-To: <54A47811.40606@mac.com> References: <54A47811.40606@mac.com> Message-ID: <54A47BC7.9050507@socal.rr.com> Darren, Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. I see Beaglebones Black mentioned at one of the links. Is that what you're running it on? I'm surprised if it has the capacity (I just gave my BBB a grandson because I thought he could better use it!). If so will it run on a Raspberry Pi? 73 & Happy New Year -- Phil W7OX On 12/31/14 2:26 PM, Darren Long wrote: > In case anyone is interested in using QtRadio (i.e. from the ghpsdr3-alex repo > on github) with their KX3, I've bodged together the ghpsdr3-kx3-server project > on github. > > I hope someone finds it of use ... > > https://github.com/g0hww/ghpsdr3-kx3-server > > A screenshot of QtRadio running with the KX3 can be seen here (not that you can > tell that there's a KX3 involved): > > http://www.g0hww.net/2014/12/ghpsdr3-kx3-server-available-on-github.html > > Cheers, 73 > > Darren, G0HWW From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 31 18:35:59 2014 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:35:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ghpsdr3-kx3-server available on github In-Reply-To: <54A47811.40606@mac.com> References: <54A47811.40606@mac.com> Message-ID: <54A4885F.7010905@foothill.net> Neat Darren. That's quite a noise floor you have there on 80. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 12/31/2014 2:26 PM, Darren Long wrote: > A screenshot of QtRadio running with the KX3 can be seen here (not that you can > tell that there's a KX3 involved): > > http://www.g0hww.net/2014/12/ghpsdr3-kx3-server-available-on-github.html > > Cheers, 73 > > Darren, G0HWW From darren.long at mac.com Wed Dec 31 18:59:09 2014 From: darren.long at mac.com (Darren Long) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:59:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] ghpsdr3-kx3-server available on github In-Reply-To: <54A4885F.7010905@foothill.net> References: <54A47811.40606@mac.com> <54A4885F.7010905@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54A48DCD.6000704@mac.com> Its is RF hell here, although the dBm values and S-meter scales shown in QtRadio are uncalibrated. The NR in QtRadio isn't quite as nice as the KX3's NR with the stereo effect, but the autonotch and tracking notch filters (visible in the spectrum) as green bars seem to be better than the notch in the KX3. 73 & HNY, Darren, G0HWW On 31/12/14 23:35, Fred Jensen wrote: > Neat Darren. That's quite a noise floor you have there on 80. :-) From wes at triconet.org Wed Dec 31 22:45:40 2014 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:45:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54A4C2E4.5070400@triconet.org> Bob, Thanks for your answer. Hopefully, it lays to rest the idea that I didn't know what I was talking about when I described it as the sound of a reed relay following the key. (Hmm, mechanical motion initiated by electromotive force....sort of describes a relay doesn't it?) That said, I'm not sure the phenomenon is totally due to magnetostriction. "Coil Noise" may be a better explanation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_noise) In the case at hand, I'm a bit concerned about having this happen. Perhaps it's from spending too many years around a failure analysis lab or doing vibration testing on assemblies, where with a strobe light we could watch things move to the point of failure. What is Elecraft's fix? Wes On 12/30/2014 12:29 AM, Robert Friess wrote: > What you are hearing is due to magnetostrictive force causing the windings > of the inductors in the TR switch to bang against their cores as the TR > switch bias is applied. There are no relays. > > 73 > Bob, N6CM, KPA500 design engineer. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:23 PM, wrote: > >>> RF may be switched with PIN diodes, but there are some relays in there >> someplace. >> >> No TR relay. Amp is quiet as a mouse when keying/unkeying, even in QSK. >> There >> IS a STBY/OPER relay, I assume, as I can hear it when I go in and out of >> OPER. >> Also, band switching, of course. >> >> There are ticks due to heating in the heat sink, but not in time with >> keying. >> Random, and varying rate. Documented on this group previously. >> >> Have you asked Elecraft (not this list) for a diagram? >> >> Gary >> From N0IB.John at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 20:48:39 2014 From: N0IB.John at gmail.com (John Glascock (N0IB)) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:48:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Classic Message-ID: <1420076919718-7596623.post@n2.nabble.com> Is it possible to connect a Heil Classic to a KX3? If so, how? ----- 73 John (N0IB) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Heil-Classic-tp7596623.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.