[Elecraft] Monitor output...

k6rb at baymoon.com k6rb at baymoon.com
Mon May 16 13:21:44 EDT 2011


Actually, Heisenberg's uncertainty principal had to do with trying to
determine the position and velocity of an electron through observation.
Since, in order to observe the electron one would have to bounce a photon
off of it, the act of observation (e.g. hitting it with a photon) would
change its position or velocity making the observation invalid since the
electron is no longer traveling as it was prior to the observation.

I later postulated that Heisenberg's uncertainty principal applied to
people being observed. For example, when people knew they were being
observed through a one-way mirror, their behavior was different than it
would have been had they not been aware they were being observed.

Rob K6RB
> On 5/16/2011 12:50 AM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
>> However, the increase in vertical (time) resolution should be even more
>> dramatic.
>
> Thanks to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, the product of the
> frequency resolution and the time resolution of ANY measurement is
> unity. The frequency resolution in Hz Fr is 1/Tr, the time resolution in
> seconds. Tr = 1/Fr.  Fr and Tr are established by the FFT parameters,
> and further modified by the filter parameters.  The display cannot
> improve on what the FFT has produced. Another way of saying it is that
> we cannot know infinitely about frequency AND time in any given
> measurement.  If we want high precision of frequency (and bandwidth of a
> signal) we must sacrifice accuracy of WHEN the signal was on that
> frequency.
>
> In the world where I have worked professionally for 40 years, we bumped
> up against this around 1980 when we began using Time Delay Spectrometry
> (a measurement system that uses a swept oscillator and a swept detector
> and an FFT to display the result),  to measure audio systems, equipment,
> transducers, and room acoustics.  The uncertainty principle applies no
> matter HOW the measurement was made -- swept or FFT or some guy staring
> at a meter. In the case of swept measurements, resolution is determined
> by the sweep rate and the bandwidth of the detector.
>
> 73,  Jim Brown K9YC
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