NoAlOx is available at Home Depot and probably many others, excellent suggestion, highly recommended. 73, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Raymer" <Timothy.Raymer at mdc.mo.gov> To: "Rich Arland" <k7sz at live.com>; "Elecraft Reflector" snip.......... I think you can use Penetrox or NoAlOx. snip..........