[Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> So the sponsoring organizations who decided that using the 
> clusters puts you into the assisted category are wrong?

No, the clusters represent the input of ANOTHER OPERATOR.  Just 
like a telephone call, or someone else setting at the next 
desk with a receiver.  There is a FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE when 
another person is involved. 

> Skimmer uses another receiver, the band maps in the logging 
> programs use either Telnet or Packet clusters spots for their 
> data. Since Packet and Telnet clusters count as "assisted" 
> why should Skimmer not? 

Skimmer is not another PERSON.  The difference between skimmer 
and Telnet or Packet is like the difference between computer 
logging/duping/Super Check Partial/History files and having a 
second operator setting beside you filling in the log, keeping 
the dupe sheet and correcting your copying. 

The difference is technology vs. ANOTHER PERSON.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 





> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. Kevin Stover [mailto:rkstover at mchsi.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:10 AM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: 'Bob - W0GI'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
> 
> 
> So the sponsoring organizations who decided that using the 
> clusters puts 
> you into the assisted category are wrong?
> 
> Skimmer uses another receiver, the band maps in the logging 
> programs use 
> either Telnet or Packet clusters spots for their data. Since 
> Packet and 
> Telnet clusters count as "assisted" why should Skimmer not? 
> Just because 
> it's the Ham Radio technology "soup de jour"?
> 
> 
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >   
> >> Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and 
> visual form of
> >> Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in the 
> >> assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now are 
> >> required to do.
> >>     
> >
> > That's a complete mischaracterization of CW Skimmer.
> >
> > CW skimmer is nothing more than a second receiver and multi-channel
> > CW decoder.  It is no different conceptually than a scanner and 
> > CW Get or the decoder in Writelog except it takes the process one 
> > step further by providing the data in a way that it can be 
> displayed 
> > in a logging program "band map" or combined with a 
> panadapter display. 
> > Those capabilities have existed individually for many years and in 
> > combination for several years in the digital modes.   
> >
> > To call skimmer "assisted" is a farce.  It completely twists the
> > definition of assisted which used to mean - assistance by another 
> > person in making a QSO - and ignores more than 40 years in which 
> > technology has replaced things often done by a "second operator."  
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of R. 
> Kevin Stover
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:00 AM
> >> To: Bob - W0GI
> >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob - W0GI wrote:
> >>     
> >>> I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may
> >>>       
> >> be an unfair
> >>     
> >>> advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp
> >>> competing against a poor ham with a dipole and 100W.
> >>>
> >>> The hams with the megabucks have the advantage no matter what. :>)
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> There's the rub.
> >>
> >> The guy with the 100 ft tower running the 1500W is 
> competing against
> >> others with similar setups and running the same power, NOT 
> >> against the 
> >> guy running 100W into a dipole.
> >>
> >> Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and 
> visual form of
> >> Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in the 
> >> assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now are 
> >> required to do.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> R. Kevin Stover
> >>
> >> ACØH
> >>
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> 
> -- 
> R. Kevin Stover
> 
> ACØH
>