[Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando Hamcation

Joe Subich, W4TV lists at subich.com
Sat Feb 13 16:59:37 EST 2010 


> LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD
> LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD

LP-Pan is not "complete" ... it also requires a high end soundcard, 
computer and monitor to provide up to 180 KHz span.  The P3 needs 
no additional hardware to provide 200 KHz span.  

The Yaesu DMU-2000 only puts a graphical interface on the rotor 
control that is already present in the FT-2000 ... not a usable 
control unless you happen to be using a Yaesu rotor with the SDA 
interface.  

The P3 is closest to the SDR-IQ but includes a larger case (more 
$$), display and additional processor for control.  I'd say the 
P3's price is justified in comparison to the $525 (plus computer) 
list price of the SDR-IQ.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
  



> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of The Smiths
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: k7peh at comcast.net; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando 
> Hamcation
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> I would beg to differ.  As a past owner of an FT-2000d with 
> the DMU-2000 "pan adapter" I have to say 1 - that pan adapter 
> was FAR MORE than what Elecraft has described the P3 would 
> do.  It was a logging system, it was a rotor control with 
> world map, it was an AF scope, it was also a pan adapter 
> among other things. Plus, you could use it on ANY size screen.
> 
> Sure, there were features that needed serious refinement.. 
> but when I purchased mine BRAND NEW it was still only $650 
> "on sale".  Of course that "sale" never seemed to end, but 
> when it did go away for a little bit, the price never went 
> higher than 700 or 775 dollars.
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> In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 
> (if that) for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 
> functions is outrageous.  I would have thought that $500 to 
> $650 would be the TOP number they would be targeting.
> 
> I don't know about you, but I'm not made out of money, and to 
> even consider plunking down $1000 for a simple pan adapter is 
> an absolute JOKE.
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> Yes, I will most likely purchase the P3 pan adapter, but I'll 
> be keeping my fingers crossed that Elecraft understands that 
> even if I have to purchase a $80-$150 LCD monitor, ALL of 
> their competition is priced below that ridiculous mark others 
> have talked about. 
> 
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> LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD
> LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD
> 
> Software: FREE
> 
> 1) Manufacturer: YAESU 
> Item : DMU-2000 
> Description : DATA MANAGEMENT UNIT FT-2000/950/5000 SERIES 
> $869.95
> Coupon: $80.00
> YOUR HRO PRICE $789.95
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> YAESU DMU-2000
> Data Management Unit for FT-2000 
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> Discounts included in price: $80.00 instant rebate expires 
> 03/31/2010. 
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> $769.00
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> And on and on and on.... Like I said, $500 to $650 is a FAIR 
> price.  $700 is PUSHING it.  Just my opinion, you don't need 
> to agree with it.
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> > From: k7peh at comcast.net
> > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:39:50 -0800
> > To: roncerra at earthlink.net
> > CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 panadapter at the Orlando 
> > Hamcation
> > 
> > I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking 
> it would be
> > closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000
> > with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the 
> monitor which
> > you must supply yourself. I think the street price is 
> possibly under $1000
> > though.
> > 
> > Now, we do not know how close or far apart the DMU-2000 is from the
> > P3 but it does set at least one price point. Another price 
> point is the
> > LP-PAN and sound-card plus computer configuration. If you buy an 
> > external USB sound card then you are starting to get closer 
> to the ball
> > park area of the $700 (of course, depending on all kinds of 
> factors that
> > are too variable to make any close comparison). I bet 
> though that many
> > hams would gladly pay several hundred dollars more for the 
> P3 to avoid
> > the hassle of doing up their own solution using the LP-PAN approach.
> > 
> > About Microsoft selling Windows 7 at a profit for 50 cents! Your 
> > joking of course. I have a number of good friends on the Microsoft 
> > Windows 7 product team (I live about 4 miles from the Microsoft 
> > campus) and they would beg to differ with you. They have, 
> depending on 
> > how you measure it which is not easy, a multi-billion dollar 
> > development effort that they need to recapture by selling 
> Windows 7. 
> > Or, look at it another way, their first several million copies of 
> > Windows 7 are still being sold at a huge loss. You can 
> actually read 
> > their shareholders reports and find out some of the cost for 
> > developing Windows 7.
> > 
> > As for me, I will buy the P3. Cost? It is not so high that 
> it would be 
> > totally unreasonable I am betting.
> > 
> > 73, phil, K7PEH
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > What drives the price of a new product more than anything is 
> > > marketing. Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 
> 50 cents but 
> > > charges $149.00. The P-3 price is being defined here on the 
> > > reflector by those of us who are so enthusiastic about Elecraft; 
> > > hams may be called "cheap" but have considerable discretionary 
> > > spending available. The P-3 could sell for a few hundred 
> dollars at 
> > > profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are 
> talking about 
> > > more than double that price. Companies recover their R&D 
> investments 
> > > over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the R&D 
> > > investment recovery period. How about a breather here? The $700 
> > > price being tossed around is a bit absurd in my view. 
> Yeah, many of 
> > > us can and will pay it, but its okay to talk about 3-400 
> dollars and 
> > > Elecraft would do just fine. Offer the company double their 
> > > profitable selling price and they are delighted to take 
> it. Why not? 
> > > Mail a check now? If the price is determined by what we 
> are willing 
> > > to pay, consider paying less. It is okay to pay less guys. 73. Ron
> > > -- 
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