[Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

> I stand in defence of Alexandr on this, it was something I asked for  
> before the first production run - I'm still having treatment for the  
> burns - so please, accept that not everyone feels this is not a good  
> idea (just as I would defend you for asking for wide-band Tx in VK  
> because your band plans are different).

... and I strongly support Gary on this.  Roger beeps and other CB- 
like activities are so antithetical to good amateur operation that 
transceivers should not even include the option to enable them.  If 
an operator want to be a lid that badly they should be required to 
separately purchase and install the hardware necessary to do so.  

There is a reason that no reputable manufacturer of amateur rigs 
has ever provided a "roger beep" option on HF transceivers - or 
having done so one time has immediately discontinued it in future 
products. 

That this operation is "on V/UHF" is no justification for liddish 
behavior. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 
  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David 
> Ferrington, M0XDF
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: rfenabled at gmail.com
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 1750Hz roger beep
> 
> 
> I stand in defence of Alexandr on this, it was something I asked for  
> before the first production run - I'm still having treatment for the  
> burns - so please, accept that not everyone feels this is not a good  
> idea (just as I would defend you for asking for wide-band Tx in VK  
> because your band plans are different).
> As long as this is configurable, I don't see where the 
> problem is. If  
> VK decide this is unacceptable in VK, then people wont use it 
> there. However, it is acceptable over here in G land and is 
> used quite a lot  
> on V/UHF -  there are two factions here, those that think it 
> helps in  
> poor conditions, and those that think it looses you a second during  
> the over - not come across any that feel it makes it harder or  
> distracting - I personally quite like the idea.
> 73 de M0XDF
> 
> -- 
> The rung of a ladder was never meant to rest upon, but only 
> to hold a  
> man's
> foot long enough to enable him to put the other somewhat 
> higher. -Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1995)
> 
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 20:59, rfenabled at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > (Snip)
> >
> > 1) redesign this as for Roger-Beeb (at the end of transmit) for any 
> > voice mode (FM, SSB) - maybe with some tone to choose (sometimes CW 
> > "K" on higher wpm used also) (End Snip)
> >
> > PLEASE do NOT do this.
> >
> > Many operators in VK hate this CBer type of operating.
> >
> > A lot of us refuse to acknowledge a TX with a roger beep of any
> > kind, even in a contest.
> >
> > Don't try and tell me it helps, it doesn't. It just adds to 
> the noise.
> >
> > A group of us have written to the regulator in Australia and have
> > asked for a ruling to make it illegal to TX a roger beep 
> tone and we  
> > have received word from them that a ruling is being considered.
> >
> > If successful, we will petition the FCC to do likewise.
> >
> > Working weak signals, the roger beeps are distracting and 
> not helpful.
> >
> > As for our friends in the EU who contest, you do not need a roger
> > beep, but you could work on cleaning up your audio as some of the  
> > worst audio I have heard on the bands lately is coming from badly  
> > set up audio out of some stations in the  EU in the contest.
> >
> > BTW, 10/15M was rocking into VK this last weekend.
> 
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