Err, that ones sorta correct in my head, since the E ad M patterns are the same as a centerfed dipole. Seaparate the electrical characteristics from the physical. 73, doug From: Stewart Baker <stewart at baker.nildram.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:59:39 +0100 How about the "End Fed Dipole" :-)) 73 Stewart G3RXQ