I saw one at Dayton last year at the Contest University. It is as big as a suitcase. The guy from Icom characterized it as a 7800 without the second receiver. Yawn Snore I'll be keeping my K3, thank you. Buck k4ia K3 #101 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)