[Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Stewart Baker]

What affects as all as Radio Amateurs is the increased level of 
EMI caused by household items that include Switched Mode PSU's.

Within the EU these "should" have been tested to the relevant EMC 
standards.

It is very apparent that there are a large number of devices which 
are either defective, or have never been tested for EMC 
compliance.

China is top of the league table for SM PSU's which cause 
interference to radio services. In a large number of their power 
supplies, components that were designed in to reduce emissions 
have been omitted in manufacture for economic expediency.

For this reason, and not any Political motive, I avoid buying any 
Chinese electronic products.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
Member RSGB EMC Committee 

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:53:51 -0500, Tom McCulloch wrote:
> This is really off topic...but here goes.
>
> First of all please don't try to question our patriotism, if you 
aren't then
> please accept my apology for that comment.
>
> Secondly, IMHO the option of choosing between number one and 
number two just
> couldn't happen (I realize you said "what if"---but we could 
also say "what
> if pigs could fly" -- they just can't -- except on another list, 
of course
> :)  )
>
> The reason it can't happen is because ever since that little 
experiment in
> Russia failed (Communism) the world has turn to a global society 
based upon
> Capitalism (even China is embracing it, to a certain extent).
>
> The rules of capitalism would call for the prices of item one 
and two to be
> pretty darned close, if the quality of the two were comparable. 
 If not, the
> better quality product would disappear due to its price point 
being too high
> OR the lesser quality product would go by the wayside because 
people would
> see it for what it is (a piece of junk not worth the buying no 
matter how
> appealing the price might be.)  Before this disappearing act 
happened
> though, the product which saw its sales go down would either A) 
in the case
> of the better product, cut its production costs (and quality) to 
become
> price competitive or B) in the case of the lesser quality 
product, makes
> itself a better quality product but find the need to raise its 
price due to
> added production costs.
>
> However, the hypothesis posted here seems to be saying the 
quality is the
> same...OK.  Take a ride on any major U.S. highway and tell me 
how many
> foreign built automobiles you see there...quite a few, I think 
you'd agree.
> These cars are more or less comparably priced with American 
built cars in
> the same class, because that is the price the market will bear. 
 (Let's
> assume for now that they are comparably built also...we won't 
get into that
> discussion).  Be assured that the price of those foreign cars is 
being set
> by the marketplace.  How can we be so sure?  Because of the fact 
that they
> are set in U.S. dollars and being built with (say) the Euro 
(we'll buy a
> European car).  Did you ever stop and think why the prices of 
foreign autos
> has not skyrocketed with the recent dramatic fall of the US 
dollar versus
> other currencies?  It's because the market can't bear it.  When 
the Euro and
> the Dollar were (more or less) on a par with each, a one dollar 
sale raised
> 1 Euro.  Today a one sale yields about 0.67 Euros.  The German 
manufacturer
> (I decided on a Mercedes :)  )  is getting less money (in Euros) 
than he
> was, although the price here in the States has stayed pretty 
constant (in
> dollars).  So why doesn't he raise his price?...well, he can't 
because no
> one will spend that much for his product.  OK, so how is he able 
to sell the
> cars ... A) because he was making a lot of profit based on what 
the
> Capitalistic market will allow him to charge in the past (having 
not much to
> do with what it cost him to build the thing) and now his profit 
is more in
> line or B) he can't and he will raise his prices, be less 
competitive and
> probably lose a lot of his market share to the American built 
cars (this is
> why the Fed is encouraging the dollar to drop against foreign
> currencies---to discourage foreign trade with the US (making 
home built
> products more attractive to US purchasers) and to encourage US 
exports
> (things are really "cheap" in the eyes of the person buying 
things in Euros,
> etc.). )
>
> So I think this original post gets back to patriotism and those 
bumper
> stickers that say "Buy American" and all which that implies.
>
> I'm an American, all things being equal I buy American, but the 
question
> posted here is moot, because Capitalism works and we're darn 
lucky to have
> it.
>
> Tom
> WB2QDG
>
> Note to Eric -- please pull this thread its *REALLY* OT.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S Sacco" <nn4x.steve at gmail.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.
>
>
>> If, for the sake of argument (and this IS just a "what if" 
exercise,
>> after all), they COULD make a K3 somewhere else at a lower 
cost, and
>> offered you a choice:
>>
>> 1) U.S. made K3 with a collection of options that costs $2,500
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2) "Somewhere else" made K3 with the same options that costs 
$1,500.
>> (Again, I'm making that number up).
>>
>> Which would you choose?
>>
>> If you chose #2, here's another question:  Would you ever spend 
more
>> for the identical unit made in the U.S.?  If so, how much more?
>>
>> I'm very happy to have them here in the U.S., even if that 
means
>> acknowledging that California IS part of it.  :-)
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Steve NN4X
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:06 AM, <N2EY at aol.com> wrote:
>>> In a message dated 2/29/08 8:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> nn4x.steve at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> it was made in China?
>>>>
>>> No. Just....no.
>>>
>>> 73 de Jim, N2EY
>>>
>>>
>>> **************
>>> Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel
-campos-duffy/
>>> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
>>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
>>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com