[Elecraft] Measuring power output of an SSB transmitter

[Jack Smith]

One might, at the risk of some oversimplification, think of the sampling 
process as demodulation. To recover the envelope, one does not care 
about the absolute frequency. What you are concerned with is the 
variation in amplitude.

As I said, over-simplified but nonetheless perhaps useful as a starting 
point.

Jack K8ZOA
A recovering lawyer as well as engineer.



Andrew Faber wrote:
> Al,
> I'm  confused.  I always thought (at least before I became a lawyer 
> and stopped thinking about such things) that to reconstruct a waveform 
> you needed to sample at twice the highest frequency of the Fourier 
> components contained in the signal waveform.  For a sine wave, that 
> would be twice the frequency.  For a square wave, that would be 
> virtually impossible to do accurately, since it is composed of an 
> infinite series of sine wave harmonics, though you could approximate 
> an accurate waveform to any degree desired by sampling ever higher in 
> frequency.  Are you saying something different, or do you mean that 
> for a narrow-band signal, you have a practical high-frequency cut-off, 
> and thus a practical limit on how fast you need to sample?
>  73, Andy, AE6Y
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bloom" <n1al at cds1.net>
> To: "Romanchik Dan" <kb6nu at w8pgw.org>
> Cc: "Mailing List Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Measuring power output of an SSB transmitter
>
>
>> Actually, for a narrow-band signal, you only have to sample at twice the
>> BANDWIDTH, not twice the frequency.  So long as there are no interfering
>> signals around (reasonably accurate when measuring a transmitter),
>> so-called "undersampling" works fine so long as:
>>
>> 1.  The sample rate is more than twice the bandwidth.
>> 2.  None of the harmonics (sample_rate/2) fall close to the signal.
>>
>> Al N1AL
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 11:05, Romanchik Dan wrote:
>>> Sampling at twice the bandwidth will allow you to accurately extract
>>> frequency information about a signal, or if all you were viewing were
>>> sine waves. To view the actual waveform, however, you really want to
>>> sample at at least 4x or 5x the bandwidth, or, even better, 10x the
>>> bandwidth.
>>>
>>> 73!
>>>
>>> Dan KB6NU
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2008, at Apr 29, 1:32 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
>>>
>>> > On a related topic, does anyone have any experience of using the
>>> > usb types
>>> > of 'oscilloscopes' which appear on eBay- dual channel 60MHz
>>> > bandwidth and
>>> > 150Mb/s sampling rate?  It's a neat and cost-effective way of
>>> > displaying the
>>> > transmitted waveform for those of us without desk/bench room for a
>>> > 'proper'
>>> > scope.
>>> >
>>> > I've always been led to believe that sampling at twice the
>>> > bandwidth is a
>>> > decent decent rule of thumb and this one is better than that.
>>> >
>>> > I'd be grateful for any advice from someone who has one.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Stephen G4SJP
>>> >
>>> > KX-1, K2, K3 almost!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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