[Elecraft] Separate list for K3

[Dave Yarnes]

You know, as frustrated as you and some others are about the reflector being 
clogged with K3 stuff currently, many of us are equally frustrated by the 
constant complaining about the reflector.  They want to shape it to their 
specific parameters, which ignores, to a great extent, what the rest want.

Elecraft provides this reflector for its products and product users (and 
user wannabe's).  They also do a pretty darn good job of monitoring and 
controlling its content.  But the key is that this is the Elecraft 
reflector, not the K1, or K2, or K3 reflector, etc.  Remember, Eric has to 
monitor this stuff, and it would be wrong to make him chase all over to, and 
manage, different reflectors to do so.  It certainly would complicate his 
task.

A lot of very good suggestions have been given on how to deal with issues 
where someone wants to "cut down" on the inflow to one's inbox.  Instead of 
complaining (and clogging up the inbox of others even more), why not 
actually TRY one of these suggestions?  Most importantly, it's not required 
that you get each piece of mail separately.  I use the digest form 
frequently for that very reason, and switch to individual messages when it 
is more important to be closer to real time receipt of the messages.

If you don't use Outlook Express (or Windows Mail as it is called if you 
have Vista), you should check into it--or some similar program.  You can 
sort your inbox into topics, and have your mail automatically, very neatly, 
filtered accordingly.  It's not perfect, but it sure helps a bunch.

If you don't feel like your topic preferences are being adequately dealt 
with, try starting your own reflector!  Yahoo makes that a very simple task. 
You will find out soon enough whether many others share your feelings.

The point is that people should be a little more proactive about solving 
their own problems--especially when there are tools already provided which 
allow them to do so.  Don't expect Elecraft to jump through all kinds of 
hoops to cater to individual preferences.  Quit sitting on your hands, and 
do what you can do to solve your concerns!

Finally, if you have some issue with the way Elecraft is handling it's 
business, your email should be to them and not the reflector.  I think it is 
very counterproductive to start a bitch session here and try to stir up the 
troops.  If you have a legitimate problem or question, which I consider to 
be one which the group may be able to help you solve, that is probably 
appropriate.  This is NOT the "Customer Service" reflector.  It's not that I 
don't appreciate your frustration--we all have probably experienced some of 
it along the line--it's just that we can't help you!

Elecraft is not doing things perfectly, but you will be hard pressed to find 
any other ham radio company which is trying harder to effectively deal with 
issues as they arise.  How many companies like this do we have where you are 
basically on a first name basis with all of the principals?  But not 
everyone will be satisfied with this effort.  When it bugs you more than you 
can stand, you should try talking to them directly.  Chances are you will 
get a very well reasoned response in due time.  So please, just give it some 
thought before you create more frustration for yourself by not taking the 
most effective action.

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G3SJJ" <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
Cc: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3


I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas
(although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both.

The list is now out of hand.  Disappointingly this is mainly due to a
small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list and
can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is relevant
or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30
irrelevant emails.

Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3 and
I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this
Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to the
combined effects of both.

Chris G3SJJ