[Elecraft] Simple-minded SPAM filters vs. list participation

[KZ5A]

Don,

You may have missed the point.  The original post was regarding someone
complaining about hitting a spam filter when respond to an inquiry made TO
THE LIST.  In which case the originator of the inquiry has no particular
idea who will respond.

Here's a suggestion for anyone who feels that responding to an email
authentication request is way too much of an imposition on their valuable
time....  JUST DON'T.... No body will really care.

It doesn't really matter if you respond or not, the person to whom you sent
your highly valued reply to will get your email anyway.  The only thing you
accomplish by responding to the authentication request is to cause an email
to be forwarded to the reciepent advising them that your email is waiting
for them.   If they sent a inquiry they will already be checking for
replies.  So just ignore the authentication requests and life and the list
will go on FB and everyone will be happy.


73 Jack KZ5A


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:25 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Simple-minded SPAM filters vs. list
participation


Craig,

Sorry, but I beg to differ with you.  If someone asks me for my help, I do
not expect to fill out any forms to provide that assistance - and I will
not.

There are many very good and effective spam filters out there - I use
Spambayes, and after a very short period of training, I have no false
positives and all but a very few unsolicited emails are properly classified
as Junk.

To block all that are not whitelisted is more cumbersome than using a good
spam filter, and reviewing the 'authentication' list takes much more time
than training a good filter.  The authentication process takes time on both
ends.

Note that I have replied to the list only because I expect I would be
'authorize requested' if I replied in a personal note - and I will NOT fill
out the 'form'.

Yes, each of us is the president of our personal 'company', and since we do
not have a staff to do this task for us, it does take a lot of undue time.
I may be retired, but I am certainly not idle!!!  My time IS valuable.  I do
offer my time to help fellow hams, but for those who want to block me, I
will not go to extra measures to provide that assistance.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -----Original Message-----
>
> > Please...if you are requesting help, don't insult me by
> > expecting me to jump through these idiotic processes
> > that say, in effect, that your time is more valuable
> > than mine.
>
> I'm normally one who doesn't put up with a lot of crap. I just got a call
> from a company asking me to make sure I've submitted my proxy for the
> upcoming shareholders meeting. Did you send me the proxy
> announcement in the
> mail? Did it give me three different ways to state my preferences (mail,
> Web, and phone)? Is one of my options to withhold my vote? Then
> why are you
> calling me? -- that kind of thing.
>
> However, your logic in this post is self-defeating. By refusing to go
> through the process of being whitelisted, you are saying, in effect, that
> your time is more valuable than the person to whom you sent the
> email -- the
> same accusation you make of him or her.
>
> Under normal circumstances these systems are harmless as long as they're
> working properly. Everyone to whom you send an email should be
> automatically
> added to the whitelist so their response is not blocked. Everyone
> who sends
> an uninvited email is temporarily blocked. In that case the
> sender obviously
> wants their email to go through, so filling out a form to make it
> happen is
> not a problem.
>
> When replying privately to a post on a list like this one, there's no way
> you can expect the original sender can pre-approve all list
> members. So when
> you choose to reply privately I don't see why it makes sense to complain
> about having to go through the authentication step. Are you
> really trying to
> help a person or is this spirit of helpfulness just a thin veneer over an
> otherwise cold, dark heart? The latter seems likely if all it takes to
> discourage you from helping is an email asking you to authenticate your
> identity. (By the way I'm replying to someone who replied to the original
> sender, whose message I missed, so I'm not picking on anyone in particular
> here.)
>
> In my position as president of my company I get a lot of unsolicited email
> from customers. In many cases I'm sure if we did the math, my
> time really IS
> more valuable than theirs. I like to think that I'm above lording
> that over
> them, however, and have no problem doing a little vision test and
> filling in
> the numbers on an authentication form.
>
> Craig
> NZ0R
> K1 #1966
> K2/100 #4941
>
>

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