Quick Q - still choosing my options and saving my pennies for a K2... K2 comes with a tilt stand, right? ETS15 and ETS2 are not required unless you're playing with other EC2 / KAT100 enclosures? -- "Nosey" Nick Waterman, G7RZQ, Senior Sysadmin. #include <stddisclaimer> sig at noseynick.net If you think before you speak the other guy gets his joke in first.