[Elecraft] Tuner efficiency question

[John, KI6WX]

Parker & Don;
I haven't tried to measure the efficiency of the Elecraft tuners.  It is a 
fairly difficult measurement to make correctly when the input and output 
impedance are significantly different.  However, there are two effects to 
consider in tuner efficiency.

At high power, an inefficient tuner can generate significant amounts of 
heat, which can destroy components.  A 1kW transmitter into a 70% efficient 
tuner will generate 300 watts of heat in the tuner.

The second effect is the loss of signal at the receive station.  A 90% 
efficient tuner will lose 0.5 dB; a 70% efficient tuner will lose 1.5 dB. 
The 1 dB difference will not have any noticeable effect on the ability to 
receive CW.  Even on digital modes, it will only have a minor effect on the 
received error rate.  Other factors, such as QSB, QRM, or QRN, will have a 
bigger effect.

As long as the Elecraft tuners are reasonably efficient, they shouldn't have 
any significant effect on your ability to communicate.
-John
 KI6WX


> Parker et al,
>
> QST did a review and test of a bunch of balanced tuners a year or so back. 
> I don't remember too much of it now but remember being shocked at how high 
> the losses typically were.  As I recall efficiency ran in the 65 to 75 
> percent range for many of them.  The Johnson matchbox was the most 
> efficient by far (90% or more??) but did not cover all bands.
>
> I have not really studied this issue but have always been interested.  My 
> gut feel is that often much of the loss in these tuners (when driving a 
> balanced line) is in the internal balun which is at the output of typical 
> tuners and is driving a balanced line to the antenna which often has a 
> horrendous SWR.  The high SWR on the balanced line is not itself a problem 
> because balanced twin line or ladder line feeders can easily handle the 
> high currents and voltages with low losses but the poor balun can quickly 
> get too hot to touch because of the high circulating currents within the 
> balun.
>
> Don K7FJ  K2 4438
>
>
>
>> I've been using my QRP K2 for the last 2-3 years with a "full sized" 
>> Palstar
>> tuner.  I use a variety of antennas from 160 to 10 meters, fed with coax,
>> ladder line, choke baluns, the Elecraft balun, etc.  I'm thinking about
>> going to an auto tuner (Dayton Hamvention coming).  Has anyone compared 
>> the
>> efficiencies of the very small tuner like the T1, the KAT2, and larger
>> tuners like the Palstar?  (I've been the Johnson KW Matchbox route as 
>> well.)
>> Intuition tells me there is something lost when going to very small
>> components packed into a tiny space compared to large air variables, big
>> roller inductors, etc., but I don't have anything to back up that gut 
>> feel.
>> Anyone make any measurements?
>>
>>
>>
>> Parker  K2 2636
>>
>> WD8JOL
>>