Amen, Slater, amen! 72, Julius n2wn "FWIW, I think that this reflector is great and even though some of the discussions sail right over my head that does not invalidate the observations. If we just don't let it get too personal we will all benefit. Great reflector and great radio(s). Slater VE5OA Wolseley, SK Canada K2 - 4519"