Real hams will have to order the KX1 with the KXAT1.....I couldn't find any torroids on the KX1 so to make it a real radio going to have to order the KXAT1 to just get my fill of torroids. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org Politics is the art of appearing candid and completely open, while concealing as much as possible. -States: The Bene Gesserit View