Gang, Kiesub Electronics has Hakko 808's on sale for $149.95 with free ground shipping. Please see: http://www.kiesub.com/hakko808.htm Tequipment.com wanted $180, so it seems like a deal. Since all of those I look up to and admire have one, I bought one too! ;) Those who intend to build more than the basic K2 need one, or something similar. Trail mix?????????? Have fun, Bill NA7Y