I use a 260' horizontal loop up 25' and have worked all over the world. My first antenna, but sure seems to do the job for me. It's fed with open ladder line to a 4:1 baklun and then a short bit of coax to the k2. 73/Tim NZ7C On 80 meters? My 25 foot high doublet "works to world" too, on 30 meters and up where it is a decent height above ground, electrically. Ron AC7AC K2 # 1289