[Dxbase] DXBase and Windows 7 "Pain"

Thu Jan 6 15:05:02 EST 2011

I agree with what you are saying -- not all people will be able to follow 
the step by step instructions because,, like you say,, they want to do 
things just a little different.. My proposal would be starting right from 
scratch -- instructions as to what has to be turned on and what has to be 
turned off before an install can begin.. How to set administrator - whatever 
has to be turned off - has been mentioned a few times - to allow the user to 
make changes.. I mean a person would have to go back and set the computer 
with Win7 to the starting point before installing Dxbase .. I do believe 
that is where a lot of the problems are happening - If the computer does not 
want to let change happen -- it could be a losing battle right from the word 
go...

Jim ve3kuc at xplornet.com
             VE3CM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack" <lennoxj at bellsouth.net>
To: "jim cowan" <ve3kuc at xplornet.com>; "Neal Campbell" <nealk3nc at gmail.com>; 
"Merle Bone" <merlebone at charter.net>
Cc: <dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] DXBase and Windows 7 "Pain"

> Hi Jim,
>
> Interesting idea and maybe Neal or others are up for the challenge, I 
> don't know.  But, to work, there would have to be an assumption that 
> everyone's machine starts off with the same setup, same security options, 
> same directory structure, etc...  In other words, you would have to assume 
> a standard starting place.  From experience over the twenty or so years 
> that I had direct involvement with DXbase, I doubt this would be the case. 
> For whatever reason, hams just like to be different.  They seem to want to 
> change things from the norm all the time.  It's just the way they are. 
> So, I'm skeptical to say the least.  I also doubt that the directions 
> would be followed in a way that actually makes a dent on the number of 
> folks who have problems.  There are countless examples of step by step 
> instructions being given for various things and the horror stories of 
> those who thought they were following them but didn't understand enough to 
> realize when they had made a mistake until it was a mess.  What could be 
> simpler than telling someone to copy the hosts file from the DXbase folder 
> into the necessary Windows 7 folder?  Yet how many times has this appeared 
> on the reflector with cries for help?
>
> Maybe you're on to something, I'm just not sure.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jim cowan" <ve3kuc at xplornet.com>
> To: "Neal Campbell" <nealk3nc at gmail.com>; "Merle Bone" 
> <merlebone at charter.net>
> Cc: <dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] DXBase and Windows 7 "Pain"
>
>
>>I think a lot of people are falling into this situation.. That is - being
>> forced to upgrade their computers because of old age or complete failure 
>> ..
>> Of course the new computers are supplied ( mostly ) with Win7 - not what
>> most of us using Dxbase users want to see ..
>> I myself am getting to the point where I do multiple backups because my 
>> desk
>> top is doing strange stuff and it is as old as Grass..
>>
>> We do need ( I think anyway ) a step by step procedure that we can print 
>> out
>> and set beside this new beast and follow it along as we try to defeat the
>> thing.. There is a lot ( and I am one ) of us that can follow 
>> instructions,,
>> the type of which we used to get when we were building Heathkit equipment
>> ( strip back 1/2 inch on one end - strip back 3/4 inch on the other end 
>> of
>> the green wire),, and I am sure that it would reduce a lot of stress and 
>> the
>> bombardment of " Help Me's " on the reflector.. I would not limit this 
>> type
>> of action just to the installation of Win7 but with most all changes that
>> are or need to be done -- I think years ago it was called being spoon 
>> fed..
>> The files could then be archived or down loaded and saved for future
>> reference ..
>>
>> I know that this would take time but then again answer all the requests 
>> for
>> help takes time also...
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Neal Campbell" <nealk3nc at gmail.com>
>> To: "Merle Bone" <merlebone at charter.net>
>> Cc: <dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] DXBase and Windows 7 "Pain"
>>
>>
>>> Hi Merle
>>>
>>> I install it on Win7 about 3 times a workday. I turn off most of the
>>> security stuff on Windows however on the computers I sell but you still
>>> have
>>> to do stuff the right way.
>>>
>>> I will list it on a blog entry so you can get it.
>>> 73
>>> Neal Campbell
>>> Abroham Neal Software
>>> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
>>> (540) 645 5394
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Merle Bone <merlebone at charter.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neil,
>>>> I have been reading the "notes of frustration" around DXBase 2007
>>>> and Windows 7 for some time. I have gotten to the point that I
>>>> really need Windows 7 capabilities for some other activities and
>>>> therefore need to migrate my DXBase 2007 system to Windows 7.  Is
>>>> there a "cannot fail" "step by step" set of instructions that one
>>>> can follow to make this change, or is "personal blood" an
>>>> absolute requirement? If there is a set of instructions, where
>>>> can they be found?
>>>> Thanks & Good DX, Merle - W0EWM
>>>>
>>>> Resent to correct format-
>>>>
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