[Dxbase] Ideas. Rig control overhaul
n8dc-8 at comcast.net
n8dc-8 at comcast.net
Sun Oct 4 15:59:00 EDT 2009
Im with ya :).. Id like to see a couple changes but yes it needs to be cost effective .
I dont have a job right now and looking at the economy im not sure when im gonna find one :(
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael W Elliott" <kq0b at sbcglobal.net>
To: n8dc-8 at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 3:47:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] Ideas. Rig control overhaul
My question is simple
Who is willing to pay the costs for implementation of all these ideas ??
I do not want a product that will be priced out of my budget.
I simply want a logging program. If I have to enter some data so be it. If I have to press the mouse for the data to be moved into the logging program so be it.
No business person can absorb a lot of programming integration with other products.
Hardware vs software too many issues especially when it can become a point situation of ownership of the problems.
I want a good or great product that is supported without paying an arm and leg for it.
KQ0B
Mike
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--- On Sun, 10/4/09, n8dc-8 at comcast.net <n8dc-8 at comcast.net> wrote:
From: n8dc-8 at comcast.net <n8dc-8 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] Ideas. Rig control overhaul
To: Dxbase at mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 2:03 PM
Well Ron I guess i dont remember this issue from my old trusty IC-735 that I just loved but decided for some reason to sell it and buy a TS-570 that I really never liked so thats why I went back to Icom.. At least you guys answered my question and ill just deal with it. Not being much of a contester and more of a DXer its not that big of a deal. I do appreciate your going the extra mile to make Icom see it the right way. I wonder why they refuse to fix it? Shouldnt be that big of a deal.. I di look a Yeasu again but I haven had one of those since the early days with my FT-101 :)... I like the Yeasu but I didnt get the optional plug in module stuff on the hi end rigs. If its a hi end rig then why do or would I pay extra to make a better reciever?.. I looked at a lot of rigs and read a ton of reviews before making my final decision last November and im happy with my choice so like I said ill deal with it.
Thanks
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Stordahl N5IN" < ronn5in-dxbase1 at yahoo.com >
To: "Brendan Minish" < ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com >, n8dc-8 at comcast.net
Cc: Dxbase at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 10:09:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] Ideas. Rig control overhaul
Dave N8DC et al:
Brendan has given you the correct answer on this nagging problem! A few years ago I was really on the warpath regarding the inability of the ICOM series of radios to read the status of split. The radio has several pages of commands for everything imaginable, things you will never use, but misses this fundamental command. The other manufacturers who provide a computer interface and offer split do allow you to read the status of split. Without this capability if you read VFOa and VFOb, and you can do that, lets say VFOa comes back as 14195.00 KHz and VFOb comes back at 14002.00 KHz would it be correct to issue a spot of FT5GA 14195.00 QSX 14002.00? If course not! So without being able to request the radios status, i.e. is it currently in SPLIT or is it not, you can't generate a reliable spot.
This is not a DXBase problem...no logging program can do what is impossible. This ICOM problem is regularly complained about on other logging forums as well!
I took it up with the ICOM USA manager, who was very receptive to my efforts and said he would contact Japan regarding it. This went on for a few years, and he told me at the Hamvention in Dayton that ICOM Japan simply ignores the issue. A close friend, who knows the President of ICOM Japan took the issue up with him, and it went nowhere. I could hardly believe it, now I know better, that when the 7800 came it out didn't correct the problem, and later radios also ignore it...but they do let you inquire about all kinds of useless information about the radios, such as the current position of the noise reduction knob!
I have posted the issue to many ICOM forums as well.
I have given up! No longer will I ever purchase an ICOM radio again!
The current definitions for many of the ICOM radios in the radios.ini file were updated by myself, and Brendan also had a hand in polishing these.
So in short it is hopeless, and aggravating! In just the last week when I have been working FT5GA and posting spots when I issue as spot thus: Output>Packet>Send Internet Spot I have to copy the contents of VFOa and paste to VFOb, and hand modify VFOa and send the spot. What a pain, and this results in errors and reluctance to post such spots.
ICOM is hopeless! I think I will take a cold shower!
Ron, N5IN
From: Brendan Minish < ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com >
To: n8dc-8 at comcast.net
Cc: Dxbase at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:20:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] Ideas. Rig control overhaul
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 12:10 +0000, n8dc-8 at comcast.net wrote:
> Good Morning Neal..
> while were on this subject can your or anyone else tell me why my 756 pro III wont report the split frequency when I spot a country ?
Because ICOM's Protocol does not provide any way to read IF the rig is
in Spilt TX or not, It can be set but not read. this applies to all of
ICOM's radios, including the 7800, 7600 etc
There is no command or sequence of commands that can be used to
ascertain if the radio is currently in Split TX or not, you can read VFO
B but you can't tell if it's the current TX VFO or not
You can take this up with ICOM (as many have in the past 15 years or
so..) but I suspect your request will fall on deaf ears
--
73
Brendan EI6IZ
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