[Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?

[W9RPM]

It is fine with how it is for me. Been with since the beginning.. I'm 
getting to old and forgetful for a big change. As long as its functional.

73 John W9RPM

On 11/20/2023 12:39 PM, Luciano de la Rosa wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have used the DX4Win version for many years, I think that since the late
> 80s or early 90s.
>
> I have considered that it is a very stable program, and as some users have
> indicated here, to upload an Adif file to LOTW only a couple of clicks are
> needed and it only takes a couple of minutes.
>
> We must also thank Jim, for the maintenance of the databases and the
> complementary programs he has developed so that everything was easier.
>
> But I also have to say against him, that when there was a review of version
> 8, the windows changed position every time the program opened.
>
> Here they told me a solution to always remain in the same place, but it did
> not work for me, and every time the program starts I have to manually place
> the windows in their position.
>
> I think Paul must correct that problem, before moving on to version 9,
> since many users continue working with version 8.
>
> For the rest it seems to me that it is a great program that meets very well
> and I do not think you are willing to start a new learning curve with
> another program.
>
> This is my humble opinion as a user.
>
> Greetings to all.
>
> 73 de EA8AM
>
> El lun, 20 nov 2023 a las 17:50, John Pritt (<radiotech at nycap.rr.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released.  For my
>> logging needs it is totally functional.  I also think that the support is
>> awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users.
>>
>> John (N1JP)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore <redvalk56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us.  I like the
>>> product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent
>> as
>>> they exist today.  I fully understand some may find issues with the
>> product
>>> as it is,  but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of
>>> course,  you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this
>>> diverse hobby.
>>>
>>> But since you wanted folks to speak up.....I am.  I vote we continue as
>>> things are maintained today.  Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions
>>> really carry any significant weight.  The owners should of course do as
>>> they see fit to do.  After all, it's their product to sell and maintain.
>>> Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their
>>> liking. Those of us pleased with the product....can continue using it.
>>>
>>> I could have/use any product on the market out there....and I chose this
>>> one
>>> ....with good reason.  I like it just as it is.....
>>>
>>> As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years
>>> working in software development,  I appreciate the time and effort it
>> takes
>>> to develop and maintain a product.  And I have been involved with the
>>> effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and
>>> requirements satisfied.  It's a daunting task.  I'll save for another day
>>> my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and
>>> Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards
>>> (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints.
>>>
>>> K4TK
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS <n4qs at vci.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To all DX4WIN users:
>>>>
>>>> We really need Paul to do something.  He promised the databases would be
>>>> available on the next update, but that was four years ago.  I have been
>>>> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little
>>>> commitment from Paul.  I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his
>>>> interest in the product to a group of users.  We might all consider
>> buying
>>>> him out and then forming our own development team and support group.  We
>>>> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future
>> plans
>>>> entail.  It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and
>>>> not
>>>> provide any further development.  We all scratch our heads and talk
>> among
>>>> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to
>> support
>>>> your fine program.  Are you bored?  Have health problems?  Lost
>> interest?
>>>> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out?  I would be happy to
>> lead a
>>>> user group to see if we can do just that.  I would not do it for any
>> profit
>>>> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a
>>>> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture.  I personally think it would
>> be
>>>> fun for the users to take ownership in the application.  The biggest
>> issue
>>>> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the
>>>> product?  I have no idea what programming languages and database
>> software
>>>> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great.  Would
>> you
>>>> want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you
>>>> prefer
>>>> to retire?  All of these questions and issues would have to be
>> discussed.
>>>> Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years?
>> Can
>>>> you provide actual revenue over the past three years?  If so, I am sure
>> we
>>>> can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today.  You
>>>> have
>>>> a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years.  I am
>> sure
>>>> you would like to see it continue well into the future.
>>>>
>>>> I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years
>> have
>>>> owned and operated three family businesses.  I am now retired, but I
>> have
>>>> the background to help in such a transaction.  My sole interest is to
>> see
>>>> DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the
>>>> general ham radio community.
>>>>
>>>> Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is
>>>> right
>>>> for you to discuss future options.
>>>>
>>>> I would also invite any other members of the user community to express
>>>> their
>>>> interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a
>>>> legacy to its founder.  Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of
>> the
>>>> founding user group members.  All if favor, say aye!
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who
>>>> would
>>>> want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of
>>>> distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward.  We
>>>> would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website.  Help with new
>>>> user installations.  Help with ongoing product development, etc.
>>>>
>>>> If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way
>> to
>>>> raise the funds to buy him out.  We could ask for donations.  We could
>> also
>>>> continue to charge modest amounts for new installations and updates --
>> but
>>>> only until the initial buyout amount has been paid off.  Thereafter, we
>>>> might explore a donation based model just to raise enough money to pay
>> for
>>>> ongoing administrative expenses -- if any.  Again, our user group could
>> be
>>>> creative and flexible as we work together to evolve the product
>> overtime.
>>>> I
>>>> do not think this would be that big an effort to organize as long as
>> Paul
>>>> thinks the time is right.  Ultimately, it all depends on what Paul
>> wants to
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> Paul, in the interest of your many devoted users, is this something
>> that we
>>>> can begin to discuss with you?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Dave, N4QS
>>>>
>>>> n4qs at vci.net
>>>>
>>>> Cell:  270.210.9912
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 9:58 AM
>>>> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Dx4win] FW: FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>>
>>>> Guy,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for speaking up on this topic.
>>>>
>>>> The AD1C databases are not updated automatically, but the user does it
>>>> manually:
>>>> Help, Check for updates, selecting which databases to update from AD1C.
>>>>
>>>> So what prevents the user from deciding whether to use the QSL manager
>> AD1C
>>>> database or his own QSL info?
>>>>
>>>> When creating a new version of DX4WIN (v.9), you cannot block users from
>>>> using the existing very good features.
>>>>
>>>> Especially since these functions are available in the help. "Main
>> Window:
>>>> File | Databases | QSL Managers"
>>>>
>>>> So many years have passed since the last update (ver 9.0.0.1259 - 2019)
>>>> that
>>>> this problem could have been removed and this function unlocked.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, I am asking Paul KK4HD to take care of this problem and in
>> v.9
>>>> unlock the ability to IMPORT/EXPORT your own databases QSL managers (as
>> it
>>>> was in previous versions) regardless of the import of AD1C files.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance for quickly solving the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Poland.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>> Vy 73!
>>>>
>>>> Krzysztof "Chris"
>>>> SP5KP, SN5N
>>>>
>>>> eMail:   sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>> web:     https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ON4AOI [mailto:on4aoi at skynet.be]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 3:26 PM
>>>> To: sp5kp at pzk.pl; dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: RE: [Dx4win] FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>> This is not an error in the software
>>>> But something that is left out for other reason For example automatic
>>>> updates
>>>>
>>>> Guy ON4AOI
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 2:06 PM
>>>> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Dx4win] FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>>
>>>> Mike W0VTT,
>>>> Jim AD1C,
>>>> Paul KK4HD,
>>>>
>>>> Mike, you didn't understand the problem.
>>>>
>>>> I want DX4WIN v.9 to provide me with the following functions: DATABASES
>>>> Exprt/Import file QSL Managers (and not only address editing) -
>> functions
>>>> that are described in the help "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL
>>>> Managers"
>>>>
>>>> I mainly want to be able to use the files of the national QSL office on
>> my
>>>> PC, which I will be able to add to the files downloaded from AD1C and
>>>> import
>>>> the whole thing to my Dx4WIN installation
>>>>
>>>> Jim, thank you for your willingness to help, but my local information
>> QSL
>>>> SP
>>>> Offices should not be in your database and therefore this suggestion
>> does
>>>> not solve the problem).
>>>>
>>>> In previous versions this function worked and was very helpful. I have
>> not
>>>> found any information anywhere why this function was blocked with the
>>>> message: QSL Manager editor not available
>>>>
>>>> I bought DX4WIN for the first time about 30 years ago (I started with
>> v.4)
>>>> and I still want to use v.9 (only this error spoils the entire
>> program). I
>>>> don't want to go back to old versions where this function works very
>> well -
>>>> as described in the help "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL Managers"
>>>>
>>>> I'm reporting the problem here on REFLECTOR because I don't know who
>> should
>>>> fix this error.
>>>> Once again, I would like to ask the person who programmed v.9 DX4WIN to
>>>> take
>>>> care of the problem and let me know when this error in v.9 will be
>> fixed.
>>>> Greetings from Poland.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>> Vy 73!
>>>>
>>>> Krzysztof "Chris"
>>>> SP5KP, SN5N
>>>>
>>>> eMail:   sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>> web:     https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Cizek W0VTT [mailto:mgcizek at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:32 PM
>>>> To: sp5kp at pzk.pl; DX4WIN at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: RE: [Dx4win] QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>>
>>>> Hello Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is different in v9.  In the QSO window, enter the QSL manager's
>>>> callsign and press <CTRL-E>.  type the address into the window that
>> pops up
>>>> and select OK.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mike Cizek WØVTT
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November, 2023 04:52
>>>> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [Dx4win] QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been using DX4WIN for many years. Currently v. 9.0.9.1259 in
>> which I
>>>> have 370477 QSOs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently encountered this problem:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I systematically update the databases from the DX4WIN website.
>>>>
>>>> But I also want to add my own QSL mangers as I did in previous
>> versions, as
>>>> described in the help:
>>>>
>>>> "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL Managers" and there were no
>> problems
>>>> with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, when trying to enter (v. 9.0.9.1259):
>>>>
>>>> File, Databeses, QSL Mangaers I receive the following message:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> QSL Manager editor not available
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason for this?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I have something configured incorrectly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please help me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Vy 73!
>>>>
>>>> Krzysztof "Chris"
>>>>
>>>> SP5KP, SN5N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> eMail:    <mailto:sp5kp at pzk.pl> sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>>
>>>> web:      <https://sp5kp.pzk.pl/> https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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