[Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Dennis Petrich
radioden45 at gmail.com
Mon Nov 20 17:23:46 EST 2023
As a user of DX4WIN since the 90s I really like the software and do not intend to change to any other logging program. Even though some have some nice features I find DX4WIN does everything I need and more.
My only request might be to make the upload to lotw more automatic than it is, but that’s it.
Regards, Dennis, K0eoo
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> On Nov 20, 2023, at 11:50 AM, John Pritt <radiotech at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users.
>
> John (N1JP)
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore <redvalk56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the
>> product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as
>> they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product
>> as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of
>> course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this
>> diverse hobby.
>>
>> But since you wanted folks to speak up.....I am. I vote we continue as
>> things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions
>> really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as
>> they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain.
>> Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their
>> liking. Those of us pleased with the product....can continue using it.
>>
>> I could have/use any product on the market out there....and I chose this
>> one
>> ....with good reason. I like it just as it is.....
>>
>> As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years
>> working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes
>> to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the
>> effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and
>> requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day
>> my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and
>> Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards
>> (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints.
>>
>> K4TK
>> Tim
>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS <n4qs at vci.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> To all DX4WIN users:
>>>
>>> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be
>>> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been
>>> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail.
>>>
>>> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little
>>> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his
>>> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying
>>> him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We
>>> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans
>>> entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and
>>> not
>>> provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among
>>> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support
>>> your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest?
>>>
>>> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a
>>> user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit
>>> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all.
>>>
>>> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a
>>> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be
>>> fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue
>>> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the
>>> product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software
>>> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you
>>> want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you
>>> prefer
>>> to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed.
>>>
>>> Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can
>>> you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we
>>> can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You
>>> have
>>> a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure
>>> you would like to see it continue well into the future.
>>>
>>> I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have
>>> owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have
>>> the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see
>>> DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the
>>> general ham radio community.
>>>
>>> Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is
>>> right
>>> for you to discuss future options.
>>>
>>> I would also invite any other members of the user community to express
>>> their
>>> interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a
>>> legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the
>>> founding user group members. All if favor, say aye!
>>>
>>> I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who
>>> would
>>> want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of
>>> distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward. We
>>> would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website. Help with new
>>> user installations. Help with ongoing product development, etc.
>>>
>>> If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way to
>>> raise the funds to buy him out. We could ask for donations. We could also
>>> continue to charge modest amounts for new installations and updates -- but
>>> only until the initial buyout amount has been paid off. Thereafter, we
>>> might explore a donation based model just to raise enough money to pay for
>>> ongoing administrative expenses -- if any. Again, our user group could be
>>> creative and flexible as we work together to evolve the product overtime.
>>> I
>>> do not think this would be that big an effort to organize as long as Paul
>>> thinks the time is right. Ultimately, it all depends on what Paul wants to
>>> do.
>>>
>>> Paul, in the interest of your many devoted users, is this something that we
>>> can begin to discuss with you?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Dave, N4QS
>>>
>>> n4qs at vci.net
>>>
>>> Cell: 270.210.9912
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>>> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 9:58 AM
>>> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Dx4win] FW: FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>
>>> Guy,
>>>
>>> Thank you for speaking up on this topic.
>>>
>>> The AD1C databases are not updated automatically, but the user does it
>>> manually:
>>> Help, Check for updates, selecting which databases to update from AD1C.
>>>
>>> So what prevents the user from deciding whether to use the QSL manager AD1C
>>> database or his own QSL info?
>>>
>>> When creating a new version of DX4WIN (v.9), you cannot block users from
>>> using the existing very good features.
>>>
>>> Especially since these functions are available in the help. "Main Window:
>>> File | Databases | QSL Managers"
>>>
>>> So many years have passed since the last update (ver 9.0.0.1259 - 2019)
>>> that
>>> this problem could have been removed and this function unlocked.
>>>
>>> Once again, I am asking Paul KK4HD to take care of this problem and in v.9
>>> unlock the ability to IMPORT/EXPORT your own databases QSL managers (as it
>>> was in previous versions) regardless of the import of AD1C files.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance for quickly solving the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings from Poland.
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Vy 73!
>>>
>>> Krzysztof "Chris"
>>> SP5KP, SN5N
>>>
>>> eMail: sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>> web: https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ON4AOI [mailto:on4aoi at skynet.be]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 3:26 PM
>>> To: sp5kp at pzk.pl; dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Dx4win] FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>> This is not an error in the software
>>> But something that is left out for other reason For example automatic
>>> updates
>>>
>>> Guy ON4AOI
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>>> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 2:06 PM
>>> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Dx4win] FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>
>>> Mike W0VTT,
>>> Jim AD1C,
>>> Paul KK4HD,
>>>
>>> Mike, you didn't understand the problem.
>>>
>>> I want DX4WIN v.9 to provide me with the following functions: DATABASES
>>> Exprt/Import file QSL Managers (and not only address editing) - functions
>>> that are described in the help "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL
>>> Managers"
>>>
>>> I mainly want to be able to use the files of the national QSL office on my
>>> PC, which I will be able to add to the files downloaded from AD1C and
>>> import
>>> the whole thing to my Dx4WIN installation
>>>
>>> Jim, thank you for your willingness to help, but my local information QSL
>>> SP
>>> Offices should not be in your database and therefore this suggestion does
>>> not solve the problem).
>>>
>>> In previous versions this function worked and was very helpful. I have not
>>> found any information anywhere why this function was blocked with the
>>> message: QSL Manager editor not available
>>>
>>> I bought DX4WIN for the first time about 30 years ago (I started with v.4)
>>> and I still want to use v.9 (only this error spoils the entire program). I
>>> don't want to go back to old versions where this function works very well -
>>> as described in the help "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL Managers"
>>>
>>> I'm reporting the problem here on REFLECTOR because I don't know who should
>>> fix this error.
>>> Once again, I would like to ask the person who programmed v.9 DX4WIN to
>>> take
>>> care of the problem and let me know when this error in v.9 will be fixed.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Poland.
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Vy 73!
>>>
>>> Krzysztof "Chris"
>>> SP5KP, SN5N
>>>
>>> eMail: sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>> web: https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Cizek W0VTT [mailto:mgcizek at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:32 PM
>>> To: sp5kp at pzk.pl; DX4WIN at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: RE: [Dx4win] QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>
>>> Hello Chris,
>>>
>>> Yes, it is different in v9. In the QSO window, enter the QSL manager's
>>> callsign and press <CTRL-E>. type the address into the window that pops up
>>> and select OK.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> 73,
>>> Mike Cizek WØVTT
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>>> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November, 2023 04:52
>>> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Dx4win] QSL Manager editor not available.
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been using DX4WIN for many years. Currently v. 9.0.9.1259 in which I
>>> have 370477 QSOs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently encountered this problem:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I systematically update the databases from the DX4WIN website.
>>>
>>> But I also want to add my own QSL mangers as I did in previous versions, as
>>> described in the help:
>>>
>>> "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL Managers" and there were no problems
>>> with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, when trying to enter (v. 9.0.9.1259):
>>>
>>> File, Databeses, QSL Mangaers I receive the following message:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> QSL Manager editor not available
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the reason for this?
>>>
>>> Maybe I have something configured incorrectly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please help me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> Vy 73!
>>>
>>> Krzysztof "Chris"
>>>
>>> SP5KP, SN5N
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> eMail: <mailto:sp5kp at pzk.pl> sp5kp at pzk.pl
>>>
>>> web: <https://sp5kp.pzk.pl/> https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
>>>
>>>
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