[Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?

[Luciano de la Rosa]

Hi.

I have used the DX4Win version for many years, I think that since the late
80s or early 90s.

I have considered that it is a very stable program, and as some users have
indicated here, to upload an Adif file to LOTW only a couple of clicks are
needed and it only takes a couple of minutes.

We must also thank Jim, for the maintenance of the databases and the
complementary programs he has developed so that everything was easier.

But I also have to say against him, that when there was a review of version
8, the windows changed position every time the program opened.

Here they told me a solution to always remain in the same place, but it did
not work for me, and every time the program starts I have to manually place
the windows in their position.

I think Paul must correct that problem, before moving on to version 9,
since many users continue working with version 8.

For the rest it seems to me that it is a great program that meets very well
and I do not think you are willing to start a new learning curve with
another program.

This is my humble opinion as a user.

Greetings to all.

73 de EA8AM

El lun, 20 nov 2023 a las 17:50, John Pritt (<radiotech at nycap.rr.com>)
escribió:

> I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released.  For my
> logging needs it is totally functional.  I also think that the support is
> awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users.
>
> John (N1JP)
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore <redvalk56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us.  I like the
> > product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent
> as
> > they exist today.  I fully understand some may find issues with the
> product
> > as it is,  but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of
> > course,  you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this
> > diverse hobby.
> >
> > But since you wanted folks to speak up.....I am.  I vote we continue as
> > things are maintained today.  Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions
> > really carry any significant weight.  The owners should of course do as
> > they see fit to do.  After all, it's their product to sell and maintain.
> > Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their
> > liking. Those of us pleased with the product....can continue using it.
> >
> > I could have/use any product on the market out there....and I chose this
> > one
> > ....with good reason.  I like it just as it is.....
> >
> > As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years
> > working in software development,  I appreciate the time and effort it
> takes
> > to develop and maintain a product.  And I have been involved with the
> > effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and
> > requirements satisfied.  It's a daunting task.  I'll save for another day
> > my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and
> > Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards
> > (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints.
> >
> > K4TK
> > Tim
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS <n4qs at vci.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> To all DX4WIN users:
> >>
> >> We really need Paul to do something.  He promised the databases would be
> >> available on the next update, but that was four years ago.  I have been
> >> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail.
> >>
> >> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little
> >> commitment from Paul.  I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his
> >> interest in the product to a group of users.  We might all consider
> buying
> >> him out and then forming our own development team and support group.  We
> >> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get
> >> involved.
> >>
> >> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future
> plans
> >> entail.  It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and
> >> not
> >> provide any further development.  We all scratch our heads and talk
> among
> >> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to
> support
> >> your fine program.  Are you bored?  Have health problems?  Lost
> interest?
> >>
> >> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out?  I would be happy to
> lead a
> >> user group to see if we can do just that.  I would not do it for any
> profit
> >> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all.
> >>
> >> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a
> >> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture.  I personally think it would
> be
> >> fun for the users to take ownership in the application.  The biggest
> issue
> >> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the
> >> product?  I have no idea what programming languages and database
> software
> >> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great.  Would
> you
> >> want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you
> >> prefer
> >> to retire?  All of these questions and issues would have to be
> discussed.
> >>
> >> Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years?
> Can
> >> you provide actual revenue over the past three years?  If so, I am sure
> we
> >> can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today.  You
> >> have
> >> a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years.  I am
> sure
> >> you would like to see it continue well into the future.
> >>
> >> I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years
> have
> >> owned and operated three family businesses.  I am now retired, but I
> have
> >> the background to help in such a transaction.  My sole interest is to
> see
> >> DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the
> >> general ham radio community.
> >>
> >> Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is
> >> right
> >> for you to discuss future options.
> >>
> >> I would also invite any other members of the user community to express
> >> their
> >> interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a
> >> legacy to its founder.  Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of
> the
> >> founding user group members.  All if favor, say aye!
> >>
> >> I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who
> >> would
> >> want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of
> >> distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward.  We
> >> would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website.  Help with new
> >> user installations.  Help with ongoing product development, etc.
> >>
> >> If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way
> to
> >> raise the funds to buy him out.  We could ask for donations.  We could
> also
> >> continue to charge modest amounts for new installations and updates --
> but
> >> only until the initial buyout amount has been paid off.  Thereafter, we
> >> might explore a donation based model just to raise enough money to pay
> for
> >> ongoing administrative expenses -- if any.  Again, our user group could
> be
> >> creative and flexible as we work together to evolve the product
> overtime.
> >> I
> >> do not think this would be that big an effort to organize as long as
> Paul
> >> thinks the time is right.  Ultimately, it all depends on what Paul
> wants to
> >> do.
> >>
> >> Paul, in the interest of your many devoted users, is this something
> that we
> >> can begin to discuss with you?
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Dave, N4QS
> >>
> >> n4qs at vci.net
> >>
> >> Cell:  270.210.9912
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On
> >> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 9:58 AM
> >> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: [Dx4win] FW: FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
> >>
> >> Guy,
> >>
> >> Thank you for speaking up on this topic.
> >>
> >> The AD1C databases are not updated automatically, but the user does it
> >> manually:
> >> Help, Check for updates, selecting which databases to update from AD1C.
> >>
> >> So what prevents the user from deciding whether to use the QSL manager
> AD1C
> >> database or his own QSL info?
> >>
> >> When creating a new version of DX4WIN (v.9), you cannot block users from
> >> using the existing very good features.
> >>
> >> Especially since these functions are available in the help. "Main
> Window:
> >> File | Databases | QSL Managers"
> >>
> >> So many years have passed since the last update (ver 9.0.0.1259 - 2019)
> >> that
> >> this problem could have been removed and this function unlocked.
> >>
> >> Once again, I am asking Paul KK4HD to take care of this problem and in
> v.9
> >> unlock the ability to IMPORT/EXPORT your own databases QSL managers (as
> it
> >> was in previous versions) regardless of the import of AD1C files.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance for quickly solving the problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings from Poland.
> >>
> >> --------------------------
> >> Vy 73!
> >>
> >> Krzysztof "Chris"
> >> SP5KP, SN5N
> >>
> >> eMail:   sp5kp at pzk.pl
> >> web:     https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ON4AOI [mailto:on4aoi at skynet.be]
> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 3:26 PM
> >> To: sp5kp at pzk.pl; dx4win at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: RE: [Dx4win] FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >> This is not an error in the software
> >> But something that is left out for other reason For example automatic
> >> updates
> >>
> >> Guy ON4AOI
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On
> >> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 2:06 PM
> >> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: [Dx4win] FW: QSL Manager editor not available.
> >>
> >> Mike W0VTT,
> >> Jim AD1C,
> >> Paul KK4HD,
> >>
> >> Mike, you didn't understand the problem.
> >>
> >> I want DX4WIN v.9 to provide me with the following functions: DATABASES
> >> Exprt/Import file QSL Managers (and not only address editing) -
> functions
> >> that are described in the help "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL
> >> Managers"
> >>
> >> I mainly want to be able to use the files of the national QSL office on
> my
> >> PC, which I will be able to add to the files downloaded from AD1C and
> >> import
> >> the whole thing to my Dx4WIN installation
> >>
> >> Jim, thank you for your willingness to help, but my local information
> QSL
> >> SP
> >> Offices should not be in your database and therefore this suggestion
> does
> >> not solve the problem).
> >>
> >> In previous versions this function worked and was very helpful. I have
> not
> >> found any information anywhere why this function was blocked with the
> >> message: QSL Manager editor not available
> >>
> >> I bought DX4WIN for the first time about 30 years ago (I started with
> v.4)
> >> and I still want to use v.9 (only this error spoils the entire
> program). I
> >> don't want to go back to old versions where this function works very
> well -
> >> as described in the help "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL Managers"
> >>
> >> I'm reporting the problem here on REFLECTOR because I don't know who
> should
> >> fix this error.
> >> Once again, I would like to ask the person who programmed v.9 DX4WIN to
> >> take
> >> care of the problem and let me know when this error in v.9 will be
> fixed.
> >>
> >> Greetings from Poland.
> >>
> >> --------------------------
> >> Vy 73!
> >>
> >> Krzysztof "Chris"
> >> SP5KP, SN5N
> >>
> >> eMail:   sp5kp at pzk.pl
> >> web:     https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mike Cizek W0VTT [mailto:mgcizek at gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:32 PM
> >> To: sp5kp at pzk.pl; DX4WIN at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: RE: [Dx4win] QSL Manager editor not available.
> >>
> >> Hello Chris,
> >>
> >> Yes, it is different in v9.  In the QSO window, enter the QSL manager's
> >> callsign and press <CTRL-E>.  type the address into the window that
> pops up
> >> and select OK.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> 73,
> >> Mike Cizek WØVTT
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net <dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On
> >> Behalf Of sp5kp at pzk.pl
> >> Sent: Saturday, 18 November, 2023 04:52
> >> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: [Dx4win] QSL Manager editor not available.
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been using DX4WIN for many years. Currently v. 9.0.9.1259 in
> which I
> >> have 370477 QSOs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I recently encountered this problem:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I systematically update the databases from the DX4WIN website.
> >>
> >> But I also want to add my own QSL mangers as I did in previous
> versions, as
> >> described in the help:
> >>
> >> "Main Window: File | Databases | QSL Managers" and there were no
> problems
> >> with it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, when trying to enter (v. 9.0.9.1259):
> >>
> >> File, Databeses, QSL Mangaers I receive the following message:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> QSL Manager editor not available
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What is the reason for this?
> >>
> >> Maybe I have something configured incorrectly?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please help me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------
> >>
> >> Vy 73!
> >>
> >> Krzysztof "Chris"
> >>
> >> SP5KP, SN5N
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> eMail:    <mailto:sp5kp at pzk.pl> sp5kp at pzk.pl
> >>
> >> web:      <https://sp5kp.pzk.pl/> https://sp5kp.pzk.pl
> >>
> >>
> >>
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