[Dx4win] DX4WIN Status -- Observations

[Kjell W. Strom]

As a long time user I absolutely agree with the sentiments
expressed in this thread.

73,
Kjell, PB3SM - SM6CPI
 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On 
> Behalf Of RadioDen45
> Sent: 18 October 2015 15:52
> To: Gerben A.Menting - PG5M; DX4WIN at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Status -- Observations
> 
> Avid users of DX4WIN have been offering to pay for updates 
> for many years 
> now with no reply....  Sad but true, DX4WIN is still be best 
> logging program 
> I have ever used....
> 
> Regards, Dennis, k0eoo
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gerben A.Menting - PG5M
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:29 AM
> To: DX4WIN at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Status -- Observations
> 
> I'm also willing to pay.
> 
> 73, Gerben - PG5M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DX4WIN [mailto:dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On 
> Behalf Of WB3AAL
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 22:07
> To: '(K7ZO) Scott Tuthill'; 'dx4win at mailman.qth.net'
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Status -- Observations
> 
> Hi Scott and all,
> 
> I would be up to paying for a new version or upgrade!!
> 
> Been using the DX4WIN since the early years. Great logging
program.
> 
> 73
> Ron Polityka
> WB3AAL
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of (K7ZO) Scott Tuthill
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:00 AM
> To: dx4win at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Dx4win] DX4WIN Status -- Observations
> 
> First -- to answer AD1C's question I believe 8.05 was 
> released in January
> 2011. Before that 8.02 was released in September 2009, 8.03 
> in December
> 2009, and 8.04 in May 2010.
> 
> Second -- to echo other similar comments I am a very long time
user of
> DX4WIN, since the late '90s. The fact is DX4WIN still works 
> and does what I
> need it to do and does it efficiently and reliably. But, my 
> expectations are
> simple: keep track of logs and QSL cards, help me track DXCC, 
> and be my
> day-to-day real time spot processing, logging, and rig 
> control system. The
> log management use is not to be underestimated: between my 
> K7ZO log, my YN5Z
> log, and NK7U's logs, the later for whom I have been the 
> manager for 20+
> years, I have about 400,000 QSOs to keep track of and I 
> respond to 1,500 QSL
> requests a year. Certainly there are more things I use a 
> computer for in the
> hobby, but I use other software for them. I did look at 
> Log4OM a year or so
> ago as a modern version of a logging program and software
suite. It
> certainly does a lot more than DX4WIN but converting my logs 
> over was going
> to require a huge amount of manual work if I wanted to retain 
> detail beyond
> basic QSO data. Yes, some of the Log4OM  features could be 
> added to DX4WIN.
> But, this leads to the next point.
> 
> Third -- if we really want Paul to add features to DX4WIN we 
> need to make it
> worth his while. Someone's comment mention how using DX4WIN 
> has saved them
> from years of upgrade bills. However, this also means that 
> Paul does not
> have a financial incentive to spend time on DX4WIN. In other 
> words, we are
> getting what we pay for -- nothing. (Other than AD1C's 
> amazing work which
> earned him deserved recognition at Dayton.) So we should not 
> complain. And
> there are some among us who regularly spend way more on 
> various pieces of
> station hardware who would vocally object to a annual 
> software maintenance
> fee. The N1MM+ development team, who are motivated by 
> something other than
> money, have lowered our sense of the value and worth of 
> software. That is
> fine for them, but it is not fair to expect all other 
> developers to follow
> the same path. I have no idea how many DX4WIN users there 
> are, nor how much
> they are willing to pay for a new release of DX4WIN addressing
the top
> requests. I would encourage those that want improvements to 
> DX4WIN to rally
> the user base and present a financial case to Paul for the 
> work. Other than
> that, perhaps there is a way to open source the code and let 
> others add to
> it. And, if Paul rationally does not want to spend time on 
> the software
> going the open source route might be a great solution for him 
> and for us.
> 
> Just my two cents worth.
> 
> Scott/K7ZO
> 
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