[Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!

Mon Jan 6 05:58:20 EST 2014

I'm amazed at the tone of voice in these e-mails. It was sometime in the 
late 80's or early 90's when I met Paul and became "Customer 0" for 
DX4WIN.  How many one-man amateur radio software products do you know of 
that are still offered after over 20 years?

I am currently using Logger32, because it offers features that I need 
which DX4WIN does not, but DX4WIN remains on my PC. If Paul decides to 
release a version that has these things, I will certainly be back.  If 
not, then I wish him a happy retirement and lots more time for the 
grandkids.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 1/5/2014 7:16 PM, CHANO - EA8OG wrote:
> I understand in this last email that DX4WIN died about updates, what you
> have is what you get. is that, please clearly confirm this. thanks
>
> Sebastián Gámez Hernández
>          E A 8 O G
>               73´S
>
>
> 2014/1/5 n4dsp <n4dsp at triad.rr.com>
>
>> With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry
>> to say.
>> We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is
>> taking.
>> Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing
>> them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do
>> that
>> any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I
>> downloaded
>> and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a
>> learning curve
>> but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with
>> DX4WIN
>> five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will be
>> happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to see
>> such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome.
>> Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334.
>>
>> Paul,,,,,SELL THE COMPANY.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> john / n4dsp
>>
>>
>> of
>>
>> On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> We have FINALLY heard from Paul....that is a good thing....and it sounds
>>> like he has a portion of our wish list.
>>>
>>> A few comments though....
>>>
>>> 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into
>>> DX4WIN?
>>> 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should be
>>> noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the
>>> FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard back. I
>>> had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months awaiting
>>> assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal move....yes,
>>> the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are hard
>>> coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of
>>> documentation in this issue....as do others. We are/ were willing to work
>>> with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal.
>>> 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSL....incorporating easy
>>> interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN.
>>> Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking.
>>> 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users
>>> access it routinely.
>>>
>>> Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some
>>> severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more
>>> positive, productive track.
>>>
>>> However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal,
>>> paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some indication
>>> that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved.
>>>
>>> Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of
>>> other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite
>>> information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul,
>>> incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win
>>> situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and
>>> future of DX4WIN.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lou N2TU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-bounces@
>>>> mailman.qth.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM
>>>> To: Dx4win at Mailman.Qth.Net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
>>>>
>>>> Well said, Paul !
>>>>
>>>> 73!
>>>>
>>>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>>> k0pp at arrl.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk
>>>> <pvandereijk at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi,
>>>>> Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion!
>>>>>
>>>>> We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I read the reflector
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW
>>>>> had
>>>>> problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation
>>>>> between
>>>>> DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and
>>>>> support
>>>>> time afterwards?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info,
>>>>> but
>>>>> also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for
>>>>> commercial reasons. Have to rethink that.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file
>>>>> because
>>>>> it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if
>>>>>
>>>> YOU
>>>>
>>>>> have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much
>>>>> better
>>>>> chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio.
>>>>> (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my
>>>>> shack!)
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to
>>>>> describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me
>>>>> is
>>>>> that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you
>>>>> select
>>>>> the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with
>>>>> possible override). How may users have multiple rotators?
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not
>>>>> indicate when / how to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year!
>>>>>
>>>>> --Paul, KK4HD
>>>>>
>>>>> PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this
>>>>> reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time
>>>>>
>>>> things
>>>>
>>>>> are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM <n4nx at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of
>>>>>> DX4WIN!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing
>>>>>>
>>>>> DX4WIN
>>>>>
>>>>>> over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever
>>>>>>
>>>>> changing
>>>>>
>>>>>> to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History.
>>>>>> With
>>>>>> that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad
>>>>>> feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has
>>>>>> deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think my biggest frustration & disappointment in regard to DX4win was
>>>>>> best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the
>>>>>>
>>>>> author
>>>>> of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would
>>>>>> like to hear his opinion, even it is something like "dx4win is my last
>>>>>> priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years"(I hope
>>>>>> not saying it)..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his
>>>>>>
>>>>> customers!
>>>>> He owes us that!
>>>>>> My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> top.
>>>>>> Still Hoping!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Bill N4NX
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Lou Dietrich" <n2tu at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>> To: "DX4WIN Reflector" <dx4win at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: Ernie <w8eh.ernie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ernie and Group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software
>>>>>> offered by Larry N8LP....You can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything
>>>>>> else you want to linked to your rig....it works great...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'....Hi
>>>>>> Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!,
>>>>>> sorry, editorial comment!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under
>>>>>> Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was
>>>>>> reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor
>>>>>> controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map
>>>>>> Screen
>>>>>> or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs,
>>>>>> MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software.
>>>>>> Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just
>>>>>> flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it
>>>>>> wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this
>>>>>> archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why
>>>>>> AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by
>>>>>>
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>>> We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to
>>>>>> another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and
>>>>>> hope someone will get this platform back on the track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic
>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73/ Regards....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou N2TU
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Important to me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my
>>>>>>> rig at the same time.
>>>>>>> 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
>>>>>>> 3. Easy way to add mode names myself
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ernie W8EH
>>>>>>>
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