[Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!

Sun Jan 5 17:04:32 EST 2014

All,

We have FINALLY heard from Paul....that is a good thing....and it sounds 
like he has a portion of our wish list.

A few comments though....

1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into 
DX4WIN?
2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should 
be noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the 
FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard 
back. I had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for 
months awaiting assistance and nothing...this was a while after his 
personal move....yes, the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN 
handles these files are hard coded and cannot be user defined or 
changed. I have quite a bit of documentation in this issue....as do 
others. We are/ were willing to work with him but the effort hasn't been 
reciprocal.
3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSL....incorporating easy 
interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN. 
Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking.
4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users 
access it routinely.

Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some 
severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more 
positive, productive track.

However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal, 
paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some 
indication that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and 
improved.

Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of 
other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite 
information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul, 
incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win 
situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and 
future of DX4WIN.

73

Lou N2TU

On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
> Amen!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM
> To: Dx4win at Mailman.Qth.Net
> Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
>
> Well said, Paul !
>
> 73!
>
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
> k0pp at arrl.net
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk
> <pvandereijk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion!
>>
>> We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief:
>>
>> 1. I read the reflector
>>
>> 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so!
>>
>> 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had
>> problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between
>> DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support
>> time afterwards?
>>
>> 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but
>> also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for
>> commercial reasons. Have to rethink that.
>>
>> 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because
>> it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if
> YOU
>> have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better
>> chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio.
>> (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my
>> shack!)
>>
>> 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to
>> describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is
>> that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio.
>>
>> 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select
>> the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with
>> possible override). How may users have multiple rotators?
>>
>> 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not
>> indicate when / how to do this.
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> --Paul, KK4HD
>>
>> PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this
>> reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time
> things
>> are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM <n4nx at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of DX4WIN!
>> I
>>> have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing
>> DX4WIN
>>> over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever
>> changing
>>> to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History. With
>>> that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad
>>> feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has
>>> deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other.
>>>
>>> I think my biggest frustration & disappointment in regard to DX4win was
>>> best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said:
>>>
>>>
>>> " The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the
> author
>>> of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would
>>> like to hear his opinion, even it is something like "dx4win is my last
>>> priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years"(I hope
>>> not saying it)..."
>>>
>>> There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT in
>>> my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his
> customers!
>>> He owes us that!
>>>
>>> My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near
> the
>>> top.
>>>
>>> Still Hoping!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Bill N4NX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Lou Dietrich" <n2tu at roadrunner.com>
>>> To: "DX4WIN Reflector" <dx4win at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM
>>> Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To: Ernie <w8eh.ernie at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ernie and Group,
>>>
>>> I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software
>>> offered by Larry N8LP....You can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything
>>> else you want to linked to your rig....it works great...
>>>
>>> The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'....Hi
>>> Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an
>>> update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!,
>>> sorry, editorial comment!)
>>>
>>> Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under
>>> Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was
>>> reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor
>>> controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen
>>> or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs,
>>> MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration...
>>>
>>> DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software.
>>> Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just
>>> flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it
>>> wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this
>>> archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why
>>> AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by
>> Paul.
>>> We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to
>>> another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and
>>> hope someone will get this platform back on the track.
>>>
>>> Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> 73/ Regards....
>>>
>>> Lou N2TU
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote:
>>>> Important to me:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my
>>>> rig at the same time.
>>>> 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
>>>> 3. Easy way to add mode names myself
>>>>
>>>> Ernie W8EH
>>>>
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