[Dx4win] RE: XP Time Snyc via K8UT
Donald McCoy
[email protected]
Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:17:48 -0700
Larry: Thanks for the heads up on XP time sync! Recently bought a new
Dell 4550 w/XP. I do not use it for Ham stuff; I use my "old" 98 machine
for Ham stuff, so am still getting familiar with XP and appreciate the
help!
73, Don W=D8DM=20
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1. Re: Controlling computer time (Joe Giacobello, K2XX)
2. Re: Controlling computer time (Larry Gauthier)
3. Re: Controlling computer time (Dick Flanagan)
4. RE: Controlling computer time (Mike Rioux)
5. Re: Controlling computer time (Joe Giacobello, K2XX)
6. RE: Controlling computer time (Dick Flanagan)
7. RE: Controlling computer time (Jim Reisert AD1C)
8. Re: Controlling computer time (Ted Sarah - W8TTS)
9. Re: Controlling computer time (Pete Smith)
10. AboutTime Works Great Under WinXP Pro (Cliff Ahrens - K0CA)
11. Re: Controlling computer time (Marc Wullaert ON4MA)
12. RE: Controlling computer time (Jay Hainline)
13. RE: Controlling computer time (Barry )
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:52:10 -0500
From: "Joe Giacobello, K2XX" <[email protected]>
To: Roy Dancy <[email protected]>
Cc: Bill Clark <[email protected]>,
REFLECTOR DX4WIN <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Roy, do you know if Dimension 4 runs OK on Windows XP? I am running it=20
FB on my W-98 desktops, but I get an error message when I run it on my=20
laptop with XP. The Website only refers to W95 and NT as operating
systems.
73, Joe
Roy Dancy wrote:
>This program has been running here for a very long time, years, and
never
>gives any trouble. Highly recommended.
>
>73 y'all N4AN
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>
>To: "REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 PM
>Subject: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
>
>
> =20
>
>>A suggestion, try Dimension 4 from Thinkingman Software. It is
freeware
>> =20
>>
>that checks the nbs system at intervals you select. It is freeware
available
>from
> =20
>
>>http://www.thinkingman.com/~thinkman.
>>
>>I have been using it for a few years without any problems. Keeps the
>> =20
>>
>computer in sync exactly.
> =20
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>>73 Bill-W5VW
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Message: 2
From: "Larry Gauthier" <[email protected]>
To: "Joe Giacobello, K2XX" <[email protected]>,
"Roy Dancy" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>,
"REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:59:12 -0500
Joe,
Windows XP includes its own, built-in and automatic, time
synchronization.
You should not need any additional time synching programs when you are
on
XP. To set parameters in XP, double-click on the clock (lower right-hand
corner of the screen) and select the "Internet Time" tab.
-larry
K8UT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Giacobello, K2XX" <[email protected]>
To: "Roy Dancy" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>; "REFLECTOR DX4WIN"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
> Roy, do you know if Dimension 4 runs OK on Windows XP? I am running
it
> FB on my W-98 desktops, but I get an error message when I run it on my
> laptop with XP. The Website only refers to W95 and NT as operating
systems.
>
> 73, Joe
>
>
> Roy Dancy wrote:
>
> >This program has been running here for a very long time, years, and
never
> >gives any trouble. Highly recommended.
> >
> >73 y'all N4AN
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>
> >To: "REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 PM
> >Subject: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>A suggestion, try Dimension 4 from Thinkingman Software. It is
freeware
> >>
> >>
> >that checks the nbs system at intervals you select. It is freeware
available
> >from
> >
> >
> >>http://www.thinkingman.com/~thinkman.
> >>
> >>I have been using it for a few years without any problems. Keeps the
> >>
> >>
> >computer in sync exactly.
> >
> >
> >>73 Bill-W5VW
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:01:03 -0800
To: "REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
From: Dick Flanagan <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
I had the same problem with XP. Some kind of socket error. I would
love=20
to use D4, but it looks like it hasn't been updated for five years or
more=20
and there may be some XP kinks it isn't aware of.
73, Dick
At 07:52 AM 3/15/2003, you wrote:
>Roy, do you know if Dimension 4 runs OK on Windows XP? I am running
it
>FB on my W-98 desktops, but I get an error message when I run it on my
>laptop with XP. The Website only refers to W95 and NT as operating
systems.
>
>73, Joe
>
>
>Roy Dancy wrote:
>
>>This program has been running here for a very long time, years, and
never
>>gives any trouble. Highly recommended.
>>
>>73 y'all N4AN
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>
>>To: "REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 PM
>>Subject: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>A suggestion, try Dimension 4 from Thinkingman Software. It is
freeware
>>>
>>>
>>that checks the nbs system at intervals you select. It is freeware
available
>>from
>>
>>
>>>http://www.thinkingman.com/~thinkman.
>>>
>>>I have been using it for a few years without any problems. Keeps the
>>>
>>>
>>computer in sync exactly.
>>
>>
>>>73 Bill-W5VW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 4
From: "Mike Rioux" <[email protected]>
To: "'Joe Giacobello, K2XX'" <[email protected]>,
"'Roy Dancy'" <[email protected]>
Cc: "'Bill Clark'" <[email protected]>,
"'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:06:20 -0500
XP has an Internet time function built-in. Use control panel to select
the date and time
module and then use the Internet tab to select a time server.
Mike, W1USN
Boxford, MA USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Joe Giacobello, K2XX
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Roy Dancy
Cc: Bill Clark; REFLECTOR DX4WIN
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Roy, do you know if Dimension 4 runs OK on Windows XP? I am running
it=3D20
FB on my W-98 desktops, but I get an error message when I run it on
my=3D20
laptop with XP. The Website only refers to W95 and NT as operating
systems.
73, Joe
Roy Dancy wrote:
>This program has been running here for a very long time, years, and
never
>gives any trouble. Highly recommended.
>
>73 y'all N4AN
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>
>To: "REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 PM
>Subject: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
>
>
> =3D20
>
>>A suggestion, try Dimension 4 from Thinkingman Software. It is
freeware
>> =3D20
>>
>that checks the nbs system at intervals you select. It is freeware
available
>from
> =3D20
>
>>http://www.thinkingman.com/~thinkman.
>>
>>I have been using it for a few years without any problems. Keeps the
>> =3D20
>>
>computer in sync exactly.
> =3D20
>
>>73 Bill-W5VW
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:17:04 -0500
From: "Joe Giacobello, K2XX" <[email protected]>
To: Larry Gauthier <[email protected]>
Cc: Roy Dancy <[email protected]>, Bill Clark <[email protected]>,
REFLECTOR DX4WIN <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Larry and Mike, thanks for the info on XP. It came with my relatively=20
new laptop, and I'm still becoming familiar with its features. I didn't
know about the built-in clock update. will check it out immediately.
73, Joe
Larry Gauthier wrote:
>Joe,
>
>Windows XP includes its own, built-in and automatic, time
synchronization.
>You should not need any additional time synching programs when you are
on
>XP. To set parameters in XP, double-click on the clock (lower
right-hand
>corner of the screen) and select the "Internet Time" tab.
>
>-larry
>K8UT
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Giacobello, K2XX" <[email protected]>
>To: "Roy Dancy" <[email protected]>
>Cc: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>; "REFLECTOR DX4WIN"
><[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
>
>
> =20
>
>>Roy, do you know if Dimension 4 runs OK on Windows XP? I am running
it
>>FB on my W-98 desktops, but I get an error message when I run it on my
>>laptop with XP. The Website only refers to W95 and NT as operating
>> =20
>>
>systems.
> =20
>
>>73, Joe
>>
>>
>>Roy Dancy wrote:
>>
>> =20
>>
>>>This program has been running here for a very long time, years, and
never
>>>gives any trouble. Highly recommended.
>>>
>>>73 y'all N4AN
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bill Clark" <[email protected]>
>>>To: "REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:39 PM
>>>Subject: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>A suggestion, try Dimension 4 from Thinkingman Software. It is
freeware
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>that checks the nbs system at intervals you select. It is freeware
>>> =20
>>>
>available
> =20
>
>>>from
>>>
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>http://www.thinkingman.com/~thinkman.
>>>>
>>>>I have been using it for a few years without any problems. Keeps the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>computer in sync exactly.
>>>
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>73 Bill-W5VW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:17:13 -0800
To: "'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'" <[email protected]>
From: Dick Flanagan <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
At 08:06 AM 3/15/2003, someone wrote:
>XP has an Internet time function built-in.
As far as I can tell, the automatic XP time synchronization is fixed at=20
once each week with no means of reducing the time interval. Too bad D4=20
won't work. It seems like a much more flexible application.
73, Dick
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E-mail: [email protected]
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:32:11 -0500
To: Dick Flanagan <[email protected]>,
"'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'" <[email protected]>
From: Jim Reisert AD1C <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
At 09:17 AM 3/15/2003 -0800, Dick Flanagan W6OLD wrote:
>As far as I can tell, the automatic XP time synchronization is fixed at
>once each week with no means of reducing the time interval. Too bad D4
>won't work. It seems like a much more flexible application.
There is some obscure registry setting you can modify to change this,
but=20
I've never tried it.
I'm happy with Tardis. It tells you the clock drift (mine is -1.8=20
seconds/day) which is something that the Microsoft applet won't do.
73 - Jim AD1C
--=20
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USA +978-251-9933, <[email protected]>, http://www.ad1c.com
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:59:27 -0500
From: Ted Sarah - W8TTS <[email protected]>
To: "'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Try AboutTime. Don't know if it will work with XP, but well worth a
try.
http://www.arachnoid.com/abouttime/index.html
73 - Ted - W8TTS
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
>=20
> At 09:17 AM 3/15/2003 -0800, Dick Flanagan W6OLD wrote:
>=20
> >As far as I can tell, the automatic XP time synchronization is=20
> fixed at once each week with no means of reducing the time interval.
> Too bad D4 won't work. It seems like a much more flexible=20
> application.
>=20
> There is some obscure registry setting you can modify to change=20
>this, but I've never tried it.
>=20
> I'm happy with Tardis. It tells you the clock drift (mine is -1.8
> seconds/day) which is something that the Microsoft applet won't do.
>=20
> 73 - Jim AD1C
>=20
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> USA +978-251-9933, <[email protected]>, http://www.ad1c.com
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:59:32 -0500
To: Dick Flanagan <[email protected]>,
"REFLECTOR DX4WIN" <[email protected]>
From: Pete Smith <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
At 08:01 AM 3/15/03 -0800, Dick Flanagan wrote:
>I had the same problem with XP. Some kind of socket error. I would
love=20
>to use D4, but it looks like it hasn't been updated for five years or
more=20
>and there may be some XP kinks it isn't aware of.
Try Automachron.
73, Pete N4ZR
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Message: 10
From: "Cliff Ahrens - K0CA" <[email protected]>
To: "DX4WIN Reflector" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Dx4win] AboutTime Works Great Under WinXP Pro
AboutTime works great under WinXP Pro. See:
http://www.arachnoid.com/abouttime/index.html
Cliff K0CA
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Message: 11
From: "Marc Wullaert ON4MA" <[email protected]>
To: "'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:34:44 +0100
this another freeware time clock
a.. Visit DS Clock home page in the Internet at
http://www.dualitysoft.com/dsclock/.
on4ma 73
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Reisert AD1C" <[email protected]>
To: "Dick Flanagan" <[email protected]>; "'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
> At 09:17 AM 3/15/2003 -0800, Dick Flanagan W6OLD wrote:
>
> >As far as I can tell, the automatic XP time synchronization is fixed
at
> >once each week with no means of reducing the time interval. Too bad
D4
> >won't work. It seems like a much more flexible application.
>
> There is some obscure registry setting you can modify to change this,
but
> I've never tried it.
>
> I'm happy with Tardis. It tells you the clock drift (mine is -1.8
> seconds/day) which is something that the Microsoft applet won't do.
>
> 73 - Jim AD1C
>
>
> --
> Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863
> USA +978-251-9933, <[email protected]>, http://www.ad1c.com
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:53:29 +0000
From: Jay Hainline <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
To: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
There is a way to disable Windows XP time synchronization. Then you can
use
Dimension 4 to update your computer
clock when you want. I do this for my WSJT meteor scatter schedules.
You can find the instructions at this url:
http://www.qsl.net/wb5apd/d4fix.html
73 Jay
Jay Hainline KA9CFD EN40om
Colchester, IL
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http://www.qsl.net/learc=20
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On
Behalf Of Dick Flanagan
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 17:17
To: 'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
At 08:06 AM 3/15/2003, someone wrote:
>XP has an Internet time function built-in.
As far as I can tell, the automatic XP time synchronization is fixed at=20
once each week with no means of reducing the time interval. Too bad D4=20
won't work. It seems like a much more flexible application.
73, Dick
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Message: 13
From: "Barry " <[email protected]>
To: Dick Flanagan <[email protected]>,
"'REFLECTOR DX4WIN'" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:25:51 -0000
Subject: RE: [Dx4win] Controlling computer time
Reply-To: [email protected]
On 15 Mar 2003 Dick Flanagan wrote:
> At 08:06 AM 3/15/2003, someone wrote:
> >XP has an Internet time function built-in.
>=20
> As far as I can tell, the automatic XP time synchronization is fixed
at=20
> once each week with no means of reducing the time interval. Too bad
D4=20
> won't work. It seems like a much more flexible application.
>=20
> 73, Dick
> --
> Dick Flanagan W6OLD NV SM
> E-mail: [email protected]
>=20
There is a utility called xp_time_sync.zip, that modifies the=20
Registry to chance the time interval of XP time updates. I have mine=20
set for every 3 hours. If you can't find that prgram on the web, I=20
can email it, as an attachment, to anyone who wants it.
Barry W2UP--
Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: [email protected]
Newtown, PA Frankford Radio Club
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