[Dx-qsl] DX-QSL Digest, Vol 138, Issue 7
Ken Scheper
kenshep at one.net
Sun Jul 26 21:06:28 EDT 2015
Al, I think most of your assumptions are correct. When I first applied to
the Canadian government to go to Sable Island, it was a NIGHTMARE of bureaus
and departments that you had to FIND first and then apply to. A college
chum just happened to work for the Department of Commerce for Canada, but
was stationed at the subsidiary office here in Cincinnati for his
department.
Even having some "pull" it still took 2 years to find out who was who. He
finally found and interceded with Gerry Forbes, the officer in charge of the
island, and put us in touch. This is what I feel Monk Apollo is doing in
this case. Gerry was able to target the correct people in the correct
departments for me and REALLY greased the skids for our CY0AA 1996
operation. I feel Monk Apollo is doing the same thing, interceding with his
ruling board. No one from the outside could do this. I do fear the day
when he becomes SK. If appropriate relations are not set up with the ruling
board on Mt. Athos prior, this may make P5 look like an active contest
station.
The relationship we built with Gerry on Sable, has made subsequent
operations a GREAT amount easier to set up. The current OIC of Sable, being
a ham, will I'm sure carry on the ease of access...unless someone screws it
up. I hope that Monk Apollo has begun a plan of continuity with someone he
can trust.
IMHO...
73
Ken
WA8JOC
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From: "Al Cammarata" <sicilianguy at cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:26 PM
To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] DX-QSL Digest, Vol 138, Issue 7
> Unless I miss something... Please don’t try to read between the lines.
> There aren't any.
>
> 1. How did Monk Apollo get his amateur license? Did he take a test and was
> it issued to him by Greek authorities?
> 2. I understand that there is some kind of 'special autonomy' connected to
> Mt Athos. That being the case, the way
> I interpreted Monk Apollo's message to be that in order for any amateur to
> operate legally from Mt Athos he must first get written
> approval from the High Council; meaning that a written application has to
> be submitted and individually approved in writing by ALL of the
> monistaries
> comprising the High Council on Mt. Athos. Since Mt Athos is an enclave of
> religious orders and a holy place comprised mainly of monks who
> take vows of poverty, live in a religious atmosphere and, from what I have
> read believe, living in almost hermit like conditions.
>
> That being the case, one has to assume Monk Apollo also had to get
> permission from the High Council to operate his station.
>
> If above assumption is correct then it doesn’t sound unreasonable for
> other amateurs to apply to operate from Mt. Athos using the process
> in place before they can legally operate. Also assume the logical
> starting point would be to contact Monk Apollo and seek his advice and
> help in
> how to go about this. Since most monks (by my understanding) devote their
> lives to a life of prayer and complying with the regimen of the
> orders they have taken vows, this could take a very very long time..The
> priorities of people who take religious vows and live a cloistered life do
> not
> have the liberties or time of we common folk. Enjoy Monk Apollo while he
> is able to operate from Mt Athos, he may very well be the last for
> along, long time...I know this doesn’t solve the problems of the amateur
> community its simply my take. 73 al W3AWU
>
>
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> 1. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
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> 2. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
> Athos (Murray Green)
> 3. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
> Athos (Kostas SV1DPI)
> 4. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
> Athos (Ron Lago)
> 5. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
> Athos (Al, N6TA via DX-QSL)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:48:28 -0400
> From: "Stan, KB6RQZ via DX-QSL" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> To: mgreen at erols.com, dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
> Mount Athos
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> So I read it what' does say/mean, the translation is very poor? I read
> into it that unless he alone approves, it's a no-go for anyone else,
> even if
> the High Council approves it? So it's work him or don't get it, they
> should change SV/A from Mount Athos to Appolo's Kingdom. That like having
> to
> work the Pope to get the Vatican.
>
> I'm open to anyone else's interpretation
>
> Stan
> KK3KK
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/25/2015 3:04:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mgreen at erols.com writes:
>
> *The following was copied from the DX World website and translated from
> the Greek to English using the Google translation program. Monk Apollo
> SV2ASP/A speaks out on the recent (and past)
> illegal operations from Mount Athos:
>
> http://www.dx-world.net/a-reponse-from-monk-apollo-sv2asp-a/
>
> 73, Murray K3BEQ
> *
>
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> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:53:57 -0400
> From: Murray Green <mgreen at erols.com>
> To: SGalonski1 at aol.com
> Cc: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
> Mount Athos
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> You read it wrong.
>
> SGalonski1 at aol.com wrote:
>> So I read it what' does say/mean, the translation is very poor? I
>> read into it that unless he alone approves, it's a no-go for anyone
>> else, even if the High Council approves it? So it's work him or don't
>> get it, they should change SV/A from Mount Athos to Appolo's
>> Kingdom. That like having to work the Pope to get the Vatican.
>>
>> I'm open to anyone else's interpretation
>>
>> Stan
>> KK3KK
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/25/2015 3:04:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> mgreen at erols.com writes:
>>
>> *The following was copied from the DX World website and translated
>> from
>> the Greek to English using the Google translation program. Monk
>> Apollo
>> SV2ASP/A speaks out on the recent (and past)
>> illegal operations from Mount Athos:
>>
>> http://www.dx-world.net/a-reponse-from-monk-apollo-sv2asp-a/
>>
>> 73, Murray K3BEQ
>> *
>>
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> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:17:39 +0300
> From: Kostas SV1DPI <sv1dpi at otenet.gr>
> To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
> Mount Athos
> Message-ID: <55B47B83.6010402 at otenet.gr>
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> FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
>
>
> It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want to come and
> operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in the past
> a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate from
> Virgin Mary?s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos refuse
> a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten that this
> is a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to operate
> illegally.
>
> Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen new tries to
> fool the monks the last time.
>
> Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and tried to
> operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
> permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and Mount
> Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right
> documents, was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because of
> his desire to have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
>
> After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from Mount Athos. I
> received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is claimed that
> he has a license from a monastery for training operation without to have
> in mind the Greek law, which says:
>
> ?in specific cases and when special security has taken, the owner of the
> station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and aiming to
> progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station to a third
> person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility, supervision
> and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20 minutes. In such
> cases he must sign as /T (training)?
>
> But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy Council?s
> license as the Greek law says:
>
> ?A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos, it is
> necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council?
>
> So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same negative picture
> again.
>
> Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we fool the monks?
> Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if we do
> something like this? And finally are these actions against ham radio
> because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
>
> Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us and a Beacon
> of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
>
> I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and they answered
> negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal operations of
> Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate without a
> license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June 2015 and
> many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a decision
> (doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of Mount Athos to
> make all these clear. With this document, the Holy Community says that
> if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate, he needs a special call
> and the written permission of Holy Council. Also is mentioned that all
> the answers in relatively applications for a license until now were
> negative. So that means all the operations until now are illegal.
>
> I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life in general,
> it is better to try something without to offend others, or to raise the
> values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal preserving the law
> and ethics.
>
> Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
>
>
> 73 Kostas SV1DPI
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 07:44:56 -0700
> From: Ron Lago <ac7dx at comcast.net>
> To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
> Mount Athos
> Message-ID: <55B4F268.6010804 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> And Baldur got some ham buddies shot dead when he tried to go where he
> wasnt wanted. I question many of his operations and will always wonder
> if he is a "Romeo" clone
> 73
> Ron
>
> On 7/25/2015 11:17 PM, Kostas SV1DPI wrote:
>> FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
>>
>>
>> It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want to come and
>> operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in the
>> past a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate
>> from Virgin Mary?s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos
>> refuse a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten
>> that this is a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to
>> operate illegally.
>>
>> Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen new tries to
>> fool the monks the last time.
>>
>> Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and tried to
>> operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
>> permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and
>> Mount Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right
>> documents, was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because
>> of his desire to have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
>>
>> After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from Mount Athos. I
>> received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is claimed
>> that he has a license from a monastery for training operation without
>> to have in mind the Greek law, which says:
>>
>> ?in specific cases and when special security has taken, the owner of
>> the station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and
>> aiming to progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station
>> to a third person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility,
>> supervision and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20
>> minutes. In such cases he must sign as /T (training)?
>>
>> But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy Council?s
>> license as the Greek law says:
>>
>> ?A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos, it is
>> necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council?
>>
>> So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same negative
>> picture again.
>>
>> Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we fool the
>> monks? Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if we
>> do something like this? And finally are these actions against ham
>> radio because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
>>
>> Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us and a
>> Beacon of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
>>
>> I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and they answered
>> negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal operations of
>> Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate without a
>> license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June 2015
>> and many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a
>> decision (doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of
>> Mount Athos to make all these clear. With this document, the Holy
>> Community says that if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate,
>> he needs a special call and the written permission of Holy Council.
>> Also is mentioned that all the answers in relatively applications for
>> a license until now were negative. So that means all the operations
>> until now are illegal.
>>
>> I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life in
>> general, it is better to try something without to offend others, or to
>> raise the values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal
>> preserving the law and ethics.
>>
>> Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
>>
>>
>> 73 Kostas SV1DPI
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Al, N6TA via DX-QSL" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Ron Lago <ac7dx at comcast.net>, "dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net"
> <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
> Mount Athos
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> That?you took it to mean that Apollo must approve is surprising.Al
>
>
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 7:45 AM, Ron Lago <ac7dx at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> And Baldur got some ham buddies shot dead when he tried to go where he
> wasnt wanted. I question many of his operations and will always wonder
> if he is a "Romeo" clone
> 73
> Ron
>
> On 7/25/2015 11:17 PM, Kostas SV1DPI wrote:
>> FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
>>
>>
>> It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want to come and
>> operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in the
>> past a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate
>> from Virgin Mary?s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos
>> refuse a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten
>> that this is a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to
>> operate illegally.
>>
>> Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen new tries to
>> fool the monks the last time.
>>
>> Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and tried to
>> operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
>> permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and
>> Mount Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right
>> documents, was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because
>> of his desire to have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
>>
>> After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from Mount Athos. I
>> received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is claimed
>> that he has a license from a monastery for training operation without
>> to have in mind the Greek law, which says:
>>
>> ?in specific cases and when special security has taken, the owner of
>> the station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and
>> aiming to progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station
>> to a third person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility,
>> supervision and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20
>> minutes. In such cases he must sign as /T (training)?
>>
>> But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy Council?s
>> license as the Greek law says:
>>
>> ?A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos, it is
>> necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council?
>>
>> So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same negative
>> picture again.
>>
>> Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we fool the
>> monks? Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if we
>> do something like this? And finally are these actions against ham
>> radio because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
>>
>> Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us and a
>> Beacon of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
>>
>> I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and they answered
>> negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal operations of
>> Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate without a
>> license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June 2015
>> and many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a
>> decision (doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of
>> Mount Athos to make all these clear. With this document, the Holy
>> Community says that if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate,
>> he needs a special call and the written permission of Holy Council.
>> Also is mentioned that all the answers in relatively applications for
>> a license until now were negative. So that means all the operations
>> until now are illegal.
>>
>> I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life in
>> general, it is better to try something without to offend others, or to
>> raise the values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal
>> preserving the law and ethics.
>>
>> Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
>>
>>
>> 73 Kostas SV1DPI
>>
>>
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