[Dx-qsl] Where's The Rhythm?
N7DC
n7dc at comcast.net
Fri Nov 8 16:50:52 EST 2013
And that is good, most of the time ob. Of course there are those
instances where the opening is just a few minutes, and anyone suddenly
hearing you, might just know that, and gets very antsy, if you miss his
opening. Overseas, when I knew that was likely to happen, I often
worked by the numbers, running 2 or 3 of each number and moving on to
the next one. It gave everyone an equal opportunity when his number
came around every 3-5 minutes.
My experience with those calling over and over, was to call their
callsign, and if they didnt come back in the first 3 or 4 times, I would
say I hear you, but no QSO, and then go on to the next one, then try
them in a minute or so. I also worked split, but much different than
many people today. After each QSO I would say : for instance: up 2 -
and would listen ONLY for those up 2. Then next I might say UP 4, and
listen there. Next I might say DOWN 1. And only those listening, and
moving to that freq, would get worked. It kept the callers on their
toes, when they MUST listen to me to see where I was going to listen.
Moving my attention to different freqs like that, insured I didnt have a
big pile of people on the exact freq as well, as not everyone paid
attention. Other times, I might announce UP 2 TO 5, and then would
hunt and peck ONLY within those parameters. Anyone up 6 or 7 would
never get in. I just wish people would do that now. One would know
where to go, within reason, and just sit there, and not do the "up bump"
with everyone moving up 100 cycles after every contact. That does
nothing but move the whole shebang along on the same freq, and doesnt
help the DX operator pick out individuals any better than just telling
them up 5 and sittong on the same feq for QSO after QSO. DXing as the
DX is fun - but only when the operator controls things his way. If
you dont like his way, there is no game to play. The Japanese were
excellent at following along, and I could rip them out by the hundreds
during a session, from Hong Kong. Someone asked me how many JA cards I
had, and my response was " I don't count them, I weigh them by the pound".
> Roberto Rey <mailto:cwdude at gmail.com>
> Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM
> Yes the DX sets the rules and makes the pileup behave, but the DX
> can't stop people from incessantly calling.
>
> My recent experience at 5J0R was that there is always someone that
> calls and calls without listening.. then when you give them the 5/9
> they keep calling.. I guess the SP1 who called me during my whole
> shift on 20 mts is still calling...
>
> The problem with most people is that they don't pay attention. I would
> clearly say listening for NA 5 up.. and people from Europe would keep
> calling.
>
> Now what I do agree is that you need to keep the pileup informed of
> what is happening or what you are doing, I call that respect for the
> pileup. For instance I would say I will work North America for 30
> minutes, then Eu for 30 minutes ... then when a Europe caller came in
> I would politely say I would work Europe in X minutes. I think
> respecting the pileup is essential.. things like people saying "thank
> you for picking up my call" would be replied to with "thank you for
> calling us" and things like that..
>
> I would spend equal amounts of time on NA , Europe and JA with the
> occassional call for ZL/VKs or South America..or Asia outside Japan..
> I could feel the appreciation and respect from the pileup. Yes the DX
> sets the rules.. most of the time. Respecting you audience is basic..
> when the pileup feels injustice it begins to complain.. and its
> understandable.
>
> 73 de HK3CW /5J0R Rob
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra at sasktel.net>
> To: "'N1BUG'" <paul at n1bug.com>
> Cc: "'dxqsl'" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Where's The Rhythm?
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> Doug Renwick <mailto:ve5ra at sasktel.net>
> Friday, November 08, 2013 3:58 PM
> Exactly. The DX sets the game rules with their behaviour.
> Doug
>
> "Think of all the ways you can hurt yourself laughing."
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Pileup etiquette starts with the DX!
>
> Paul
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> N1BUG <mailto:paul at n1bug.com>
> Friday, November 08, 2013 3:32 PM
> All I can say is you better start with changing the behavior of
> operators on DXpeditions or any other DX. Many, if not most, will
> respond to another station if they can't hear the one they were trying
> to work. Everyone knows this, and it fosters constant calling even if
> they know the DX operator is trying to work someone else. Pretty soon
> it just turns into call constantly no matter what you hear or don't
> hear. Pileup etiquette starts with the DX!
>
> Paul
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> Murray Green (K3BEQ) <mailto:mgreen at erols.com>
> Friday, November 08, 2013 1:46 PM
>
> *I believe most of us share the frustration and complaint about those
> Amateurs who are oblivious to the operating techniques of a DXpedition
> station operating split frequency.*
>
> *What is going through their minds when they constantly transmit their
> callsign after the DXpedition operator replies to another station?**
>
> **If they fail to get into the rhythm cycle so that they */*d*//*o not
> transmit when the DXpedition station is transmitting*/*,**they might
> as well not get involved in chasing choice DX;
> **if they are going to arbitrarily call and call without knowing what
> is going on, they are taking up spectrum space and create congestion
> and difficulty for others. And I can guarantee they will not work that
> choice station. How can they when they are transmitting at the same
> time the DXpedition station is transmitting? **Couple that with the
> intentional interference that typically rears it's ugly head on the
> first and second day of a DXpedition, and we have an unmanageable
> situation that is not in the best interests of the Service.*
> *
> **It is an international problem that needs attention. Complaining and
> shaking our heads will not solve or reduce it. Education may but it
> needs support from the DX community by addressing it through
> Elmer'**s, club meetings, newsletter, Email, web sites, articles and
> DX bulletins etc.****Time to do something or it is here to stay.
> Constructive comments only. Thanks.
>
> 73, Murray, K3BEQ
> *
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