[Dx-qsl] [DX-CHAT] F Y I

Sun May 20 12:53:18 EDT 2012

Think there are a number of issues here.   

There are some folks that will send donations with their QSLs.....thus, if you post immediately to LOTW, no doubt those will be gone.    

Last time I handled a big one, we posted to LOTW the donors as soon as possible.  Thus, those that sent in donations either in advance or with their QSL received a LOTW confirm quickly.  This was controversial at the time, but the thought was to give those that helped the ability to claim the QSO via LOTW rather than the paper QSL....which took a bit to print, as well as the potential for loss in the mail.

I've only posted LOTW in general perhaps 6 months after this operation, so I'd say I didn't notice much change in donations; they'd all but dried up at that time.

The BIGGEST issue to me is the influx of bureau cards, often dupes, that come in for years after.    The last batch I received was nearly 90% dupes to what I've issued, either for a specific dxpedition, or for a contest call, for a band/mode already provided.   I'm about a nano-inch from stopping bureau card responses, as they're expensive, time consuming, and for the vast majority, a duplication.  I'd like to think LOTW would take care of the other 10%.

Finally, and I think the big issue that should be discussed.   Dxpeditions are expensive, risky, and a great sacrifice to the individuals involved, both in time, and often in terms of risk.   The costs keep going up, and a relatively small group of folks provide the majority of the funding (the 80/20, or perhaps 90/10 rule).   Thankfully there are great orgs such as NCDXF and the other regional/national orgs that still make it possible.   One of the reason I put a NCDXF stuffer in everything i mail!

73

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From: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:22 AM
To: "'dx-chat'" <dx-chat at njdxa.org>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] [DX-CHAT] F Y I 

With all due respect to Roger, who's opinion I do respect. the comments
quoted below from N1DG are taken out of context. If the context had been
clearer, he might not have asked the question.

Doug's presentation yesterday at the DX Forum, which led off all of the
presentations, was on the cost of major DXpeditions. It was an analysis of
at least 20-25 such groups over the last few years, data that they
voluntarily provided to him, or were required to provide as part of the
donation conditions given to them by NCDXF and other DX foundations. If I
recall correctly, the time span was about 20 years - and my only quibble
with his data is that I don't believe that he adjusted the numbers for
inflation.

With that in mind, also consider that he explicitly stated that as the
treasurer for one of the groups involved, it was HIS observation based on
the QSL requests that crossed HIS desk, that the donations & contributions
that came with QSL requests dwindled from a few a day to almost nothing,
once the major log upload to Logbook of the World happened. 

And, several of the groups he talked with told him the same thing - nor did
it matter if the LotW upload was 3 months, 6 months, or a year after the
trip was over. 

Is this true for every group? Probably not, as there are many unique
factors in every DXpedition. One can argue about sample size, and other
factors. But, that's not the point.

Roger may well ask how does Doug know, but only because the original tweet
took one single line, out of context. And that context explained, in
detail, how he did so.

Finally, Doug also stated that his analysis, and the PowePoint presentation
he used, would be made available on the NCDXF web site. I'm sure it's going
to take him a few days, between getting home and recovering from Dayton, but
it will be there. 

I'd respectfully suggest that if anyone disagrees with his numbers or
analysis, take a look at it FIRST and then discuss it - with Doug.

73, ron w3wn

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From: kf2ti at njdxa.org [mailto:kf2ti at njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM
To: dx-chat; dxnl at dxhf.darc.de
Cc: dx-qsl
Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I

How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to
LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.

From: Tom Wylie 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne 
Cc: Roger Western ; CDXC at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E

Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there 
are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical 
logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their 
position, and can be considered a red herring.

In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions 
myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no 
matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the 
number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I 
uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
hundreds via the buro in addition.

Tom
GM4FDM

On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
> Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
> night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,
>
> NCDXF (@NCDXF)
> 19/05/2012 20:10
> Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: "The minute the LOTW
> upload happens, you might as well close the bank account."
>
> Goes against the general feeling posted here,
>
> Trevor
> EI2GLB

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