[Dx-qsl] HK0NA OQRS QRV

Tue Feb 7 08:30:04 EST 2012

Tom,
I think we're starting to, ah, discuss this in circles here.
I understand what you're saying.
But what I'm trying to get at is simply this: 
IF the DXpedition or DXoperator(s) are planning to do a Logbook of the World update anyway, then why would you need a check box to say "I'm making a QSL donation but don't send me a card"? Just send the group a general donation, as you will get your LotW confirmation regardless.
Now I know that there are some groups that have indicated that they would do their LotW uploads in stages, with those making donations or contributions getting their confirmations uploaded first. Without getting into a debate on THAT practice... those who do that have a means on the contribution/donation page to indicate who you are, right? So again, no need for a separate or additional checkbox.
And if the group has no intentions of using LotW now or in the future, and there are many who feel this way for any of a variety of reasons, there's no need to have a checkbox to say "please upload to LotW" since they've already made the decision not to use it... right?
So I'm not at all discounting what you're asking for. I'm just saying that the option is already there!
Oh, and while I'm thinking of it...
Note to W5TFW: I found a very simple solution to displaying my QSL cards. I got a small scanner and a small digital picture frame at Dayton last year. Now, I have a constant display of some of my favorite cards available, view changing every few seconds, and taking up only a small amount of wall space. I just need to sit down and get a bunch more scanned in, but this way the physical cards are safe & sound in storage for when (if) I need them, & I don't have to worry about fading or damage from being on display. 
As soon as the price becomes a bit more affordable, I'll do the same thing with a larger digital picture frame for awards and certificates. And that will solve the connundrum of wanting to display these, while trying to use as much wall space (in the shack's small corner of the basement) as available for shelving! 
73, ron w3wn

On 02/07/12, Tom Wylie wrote:

I dont think that proves anything. If you need the confirmation for No 
1 HR or something similar you will have
to apply for a card as you have no other choice, so the numbers of cards 
issued is inflated.

Yes, you can submit a donation, yes you can request a card via OQRS, but 
what about a box to tick
for those willing to send a mall donation BUT HAVE NO INTEREST IN 
RECEIVING A CARD, JUST AN LOTW
CONFIRMATION. Save a stamp, save the cost of a card. Win, win 
situation, everybody happy and
nor arguing about it.

Tom

GM4FDM

On 07/02/2012 02:24, Bob Schenck, N2OO wrote:
> I actually tracked data for a couple of DXpeditions recently that I handled
> (K5D and 3Y0X). Both were uploaded about a year after the DXpedition was
> over. When I checked the LoTW matches, I found that the LoTW matches
> represented only about 15-20% (I don't have the exact numbers handy) of the
> QSO's. But QSL cards were up around 65%. And yes, probably was some
> crossover.
> I hope to do a similar analysis after HK0NA.
> But, QSL "card" collecting is not dead. What we all must remember is that
> not every ham who chases DX is coveting the awards. MANY are simply coveting
> that QSL card! Many don't even care about the awards. Trust me, I see it
> every day here.
> 73
> De Bob N2OO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:31 PM
> To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] HK0NA OQRS QRV
>
> With all due respect, I disagree that "most" of us don't collect QSL cards
> any more. Many, a large number, certainly... but most? I'd have to see
> some hard data on that before accepting it.
>
> More importantly, to get back to the original points here...
>
> If you don't want a DXpedition's QSL card, and simply want to make a
> contribution, then make a contribution! Why clutter the OQRS screens when
> the mechanism is already on the web site?
>
> 73
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of HK3CW
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:33 PM
> To: Bill; dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] HK0NA OQRS QRV
>
> The thing is that most of us don't collect qsl cards anymore but some of us
> still want that "special" qsl. I wanted the ST0R qsl and I certainly want
> the HK0NA qsl. I'm not very fond of having tons of JA, D, I, F, K, W qsls
> etc.. (no pun intended) and I´m sure these same fellas won't want my qsl in
> there shoe boxes either, just the confirmation by LoTW.
>
> My suggestion: Add extra button on the OQRS applet where you express that
> you don't need a paper qsl and the DXP would save that extra money.
>
> 73 de HKCW Rob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill"<w9ol at billnjudy.com>
> To:<dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] HK0NA OQRS QRV
>
>
>> I fully understand people liking qsl cards.
>> I don't have any walls to display them on.
>> My shack is so small, if I feel a sneeze coming on, I must exit the
>> shack so I don't hit my head.
>> I do have one cabinet with logs and qsls....for the ones we salvaged
>> from the qsl manager that passed a few years ago.
>> But I put all those logs on LoTW.
>> I occasionally get a request, I open that cabinet and make out a card.
>>
>> For me, Chasing the Quixote Quest (all entities, all bands,
>> cw-phone-digital) Lotw is much easier to keep track of.
>>
>> On 2/6/12 12:20 PM, Bob Schenck, N2OO wrote:
>>> This was discussed before the DXpedition. It was decided not to do it
>>> at this time. But it very well might be offered in the future by the
>>> "next one". We'll see. I think it is a good idea if it is handled
>>> properly. As a QSL Manager, I would have to make sure that I was
>>> properly set up for it here. Right now, I am not.
>>>
>>> BTW, I think that still, the vast majority of people want their QSL
>>> card in their hands. Regardless of LoTW. There is simply nothing
>>> better in my point of view than to have that QSL card in your hand
>>> after working a very rare place. And, how do you put an LoTW
>>> confirmation into a QSL card display book? I love showing off my DXCC
>>> QSL collection.
>>>
>>> I luv QSL cards!
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> De Bob, N2OO
>>>
>>> QSL Managers Society
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:59 PM
>>> To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] HK0NA OQRS QRV
>>>
>>> I agree, and in fact almost all of the operations I tell them to keep my
>>>
>>> donation, and send via LoTW.
>>>
>>> Simply, have no more room for qsls, they take up a lot of room.
>>>
>>> If I could quickly/easily scan/digitize them all, I would.
>>>
>>> Send me the LoTW, keep the cards and my donation.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12 11:29 AM, Tom Wylie wrote:
>>>
>>>> I support that view Cesar and no longer collect paper cards!!!!
>>>> 73 de tom
>>>> GM4FDM
>>>> On 06/02/2012 16:47, PY2YP wrote:
>>>>> Good news. There should be an option for donation and confirmation via
>>>>> LOTW with no cards; this should save money and got DXCC credit
>>> quick. I
>>>
>>>>> no longer collect cards if I had LOTW credit. Of course this is
>>> only my
>>>
>>>>> point of view and my two cents worth.
>>>>> 73 DX de PY2YP - Cesar
>>>>> On 06/02/2012 13:11, Bob Schenck, N2OO wrote:
>>>>>> HK0NA OQRS has just been turned on.
>>>>>> Follow the link at www.hk0na.com
>>>>>> On behalf of the team, let me thank you all in advance for your
>>> support.
>>>
>>>>>> Be advised that the cards won't be ready for some months.
>>>>>> OQRS direct requests will be processed first.
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