[Dx-qsl] LU QSL's

Sat Jan 15 12:50:34 EST 2011

Hi Ken, thanks for reply.

And for final, I don't know for USPS but for the Correo Argentino is a
big difference between simple letter and registered letter. Registered letter is much more
expensive, this is labeled with bar codes for tracking on-line and, most importantly, you can
complain about it if it is lost. Perhaps the letter finished in the trash anyway, but you have a 
code
 to claim for it. After a lot of complaints maybe we can "clean up" the bad people. We here
have a saying that says "El que no llora, no mama" and could be translated as "if you don't claim, 
you do not get results"
and this is valid for us in Argentina, but not always, we demand our rights.
Bad for us.

P.S sorry my bad english

73 Tony LU2DKN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Scheper" <kenshep at one.net>
To: "Tony" <mdqmon at gmail.com>; <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's

> Tnx Tony...
>
> Well, without taking up any more space, I would say that if you were also experiencing the same 
> problem internally, that we from the outside would have many times the problem.   I have used 
> every trick I can think of sending cards and have beaten every country's problems other than 
> Argentina.
>
> I suppose I'll have to resort to registered mail, but if the QSL ends up in the trash anyway, what 
> is the difference?  I feel that there are good people that keep cards moving, and bad people that 
> steal what they can.  As I said earlier, a card in country seems to be better than from the 
> outside going in.
>
> Poverty seems to drive individuals to do things that normally aren't accepted.  Envy also drives 
> those same individuals, since hams in many countries are seen as the "elite" in the income 
> structure.
>
> Do I have an idea of how to correct this situation?  Other than a secure routing from something as 
> I had described earlier, with cards going in monitored by a trusted person, and being sent out in 
> a return guised form, maybe nothing else would work.  I'm going to try once more with air mail 
> going in, with no return address, in a secured envelope.  I'll have to see after that.
>
> 73 All
> Ken
> WA8JOC
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tony" <mdqmon at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 21:58
> To: <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>
>> You're right Ken.
>>
>> Many letters are lost in the process of receiving, sorting and delivery. I don't know why exactly
>> but I think it is a conbinación of neglect and crime. I know that many cards are stolen their 
>> values
>> (IRC or $) and never reached their destination, or come open.
>> Talking to an old postman, he taught me how they realized if a letter had u$, you can believe it?
>> I think if they suspect a letter can have something valuable, they can open it without remorse, 
>> then
>> if there really is some value, Lucky! if not, to trash! The recipient will never know what 
>> happened
>> to the letter!
>> I have only 50% return on my shipments to DX, the other 50% I do not know what happened, even 
>> OQSL!.
>> Some were probably stolen in the post office. And the Argentine mail is not cheap!
>> I'm seriously thinking for a manager ...
>>
>> Tips:
>> - Choose who have managers outside Argentina.
>> - Choose who will not require IRC or $ (like me) This decreases the possibility of loss
>> -Hams that are not associated with any radio club recive no qsl via bureau. There are many.
>> - If you have to send IRC or $ make sure they are well hidden inside the envelope and go 
>> unnoticed
>> in
>> the handling.
>> - If you send your QSL to an individual, let her know that you are sending a QSL if you have the
>> e-mail. This will not help in the delivery but in this way may claim the post office with valid 
>> and
>> accurate data. Many claims require to improve service.
>> - Send registered mail if possible.
>>
>> Another problem is the Bureau. This works very slowly. (actually works?) I have had interviews 
>> with
>> bureau managers and they say the buerau is working fine, I do not know, I send hundreds of cards
>> every year and
>> only get 30 or 40 once a year or every two years only if I call them repeatedly asking for my 
>> cards.
>> In my local radio club we offered to help sort and send the cards, but never got response.... 
>> that
>> if a real black hole!
>>
>> I'm sure there are other countries with problems in the mail and in the bureau. How fix the 
>> problem?
>> Any help?
>>
>> Tony LU2DKN
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Scheper" <kenshep at one.net>
>> To: "DX QSL Posts" <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:45 PM
>> Subject: [Dx-qsl] LU QSL's
>>
>>
>>> Argentina seems to be a "black hole" for direct cards getting "lost".  It takes years to receive 
>>> a
>>> turnaround via the buro, and I understand that delay.  Direct cards that I have sent for several
>>> band/expedition stations have never been responded to.  Is the only way to get a QSL via
>>> registered mail?  Even some of the other difficult postal security countries, I've been able to 
>>> go
>>> direct without this additional step.  Have there been others that only go registered to certain
>>> countries now.
>>>
>>> A number of years ago I was able to get 8 LU cards via an amateur from Florida who charged a
>>> handling fee, but then traveled to Argentina and mailed them internally within the country using
>>> LU's postage stamps.  Those were 100% received.  I've been looking for his call/name but think 
>>> it
>>> got wiped out in my computer crash of 2003.
>>>
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ken
>>> WA8JOC
>>>
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