[Dx-qsl] Doesn't DXCC frown on this?

Tue Apr 7 14:03:30 EDT 2009

Here are the rules I run my QSLing by.  If the call is in question, I look at the log around the time claimed.   I can correct most logical errors, one dit or dah, etc.   If the call is clearly off, for example, if the call logged is XX9PIE, I can check that that call doesn't exist, they were not working southeast asia at the time, and use some sort of logic.  But if they're workign USA, and there is nothing 'close'....there is nothing I can do to correct it.  I try my hardest to sort out a log.

I do agree real time logs do permit some ability to check the QSO and work them again.  But I'd also say, if in doubt, a dupe is in order to ensure the QSO is in the log.  Realize real time logs have their issues...for example, lets say I drop my call 3 times in a few hours.  say 0000 UTC, 0035 UTC and 0130 UTC.  ONE is confirmed in the log.  I see KU9C in the log.  BUt I claim the 0000 UTC call and the 0130 is the one that the dxpedition logs.   Is that a valid QSO?  I believe that it wont match in LOTW.

I know personally that my call shows up in a few logs where I never worked them.   If I had time and date, I could get the QSL.  Not my style, but it's the hobby of some.  Remember, this is a hobby, but some of the awards does cause some people to cheat to be the last person standing!

73

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From: "Michael G. Carper" <mike at wa9pie.net>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:36 PM
To: "'Paul M Dunphy'" <dx_qsl at ve1dx.net>, "'DX QSL'" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Doesn't DXCC frown on this? 

Well, it was a dumb rule in the first place. The odds of someone with a
call-sign close to my own call finding the right combination of DX station,
broken call... rough date and time... and finding it are unlikely. Frankly,
if they have to get QSL cards that way, they probably won't get enough valid
ones to make a difference.

But this is a topic near and dear to my heart.

Today, I got cards returned by KU9C for PW0T and BQ9P indicating that these
QSOs weren't in the log. Meanwhile, I've already confirmed 3 of 5 QSOs with
both of those operations. I'm quite sure the op got my call wrong in the
log. So for cryin' out loud - just look it up and correct it. But
apparently, we don't do that - even when the mistake was not our fault and
we end up getting creamed by the pile-up and lose the QSO. So we do what
everyone does...

We jump back into the pile-up - EVEN IF we're not sure that we're in the
log... adding to the QRM.

So personally, I think it's a good thing to let folks check the log while
the operation is in progress so we can either get them out of the pile-up or
let those who really do need to confirm a valid QSO do so.

...just my perspective.

Mike, WA9PIE

-----Original Message-----
From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Paul M Dunphy
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:39 PM
To: DX QSL
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Doesn't DXCC frown on this?

At 03:28 PM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 06/04/2009 19:26:23 GMT Standard Time,
>aa4nn at earthlink.net writes:
>
>A huge NONO. Chances are the DXCC desk
>will not approve this operation.
>de Joe, aa4nn
>
>
>Why do you say that, Joe? If it's down to their on-line log, that sort
of
>facility has been provided by most big DXpeditions in recent years and
many
>hams have their searchable logs on line.
>
>Am I missing something?
>
>73 Bren G4DYO

Bren, putting the date/time was the issue, not whether or not 
you worked them on a given band/mode. However, as I said in a 
previous posting, I believe even that is OK now.

The original rationale for not giving the date/time was it 
allowed people to fish around for something close to their call and 
hope the real guy didn't send for a card. Then they could claim it 
was a busted call. (Yes, apparently some did try this sort of stuff!)

73, Paul VE1DX 

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