[Dx-qsl] Deleted entry question

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Hi Ray,

Sorry to be answering this so late, but I'm trying to get caught up on my
email here.

The question is, which Germany did you work, when?

Let's start with the resumption of Amateur Radio after WW 2.  There was only
one "Germany" on the DXCC list... call it Post-War Germany.  That's the
Germany that is on the Deleted List right now, and if you worked someone up
until the time it was deleted in 1973, it still counts.

Post-War Germany was deleted 16 September 1973.  If I recall the date
correctly, this was about the time that the Federal Republic of Germany (W
Germany) and German Democratic Republic (E Germany) were admitted to the UN.
Why the change then and not before?  I don't recall reading the reasoning at
the time, but I think it's safe to assume that there was no reasonable
expectation at that point that the two countries would become one again for
the forseeable future.  If you worked a station in either entity from that
point forward until 1990, they count for the respective entity.

03 October 1990 marks the date that, following the political changes in
Eastern Europe, the two parts of the former Post-War Germany reunited.  Now
here's where it gets a little tricky.  The FRG absorbed the GDR... the FRG
remains.  So... QSO's with the former GDR from 16 September 1973 to 03
October 1990 count as the deleted GDR entity.  BUT -- QSO's with the FRG
count from 16 September 1973 to this day, since that was the "surviving"
political entity.  (Now had the two merged into one, not one absorbing the
other, the situation would have been different, but that's not the way
things happened).

As a practical matter, we call the current or active DXCC entity "Germany."
But it's full name is the Federal Republic of Germany, which is NOT the same
DXCC country/entity as the now deleted (Post-War) Germany.

Therefore... it is possible to have worked the one station or amateur
operator three times, and have it count as three different entities, all
from the same QTH.  It's all in the timing!

[For example, if you worked & confirmed Hans DM0XXXX in 1972, you have a
Germany(Deleted) credit; if you worked & confirmed him as Y99XXXX in 1989,
you have a GDR(Deleted) credit; and if you worked & confirmed him last
summer as DG0XXXX, you have an FRG, aka Germany(active), credit.]

Now, does a country count after it's been put on the Deleted List?  Yes, but
ONLY for QSO's made during the period of time that the country/entity still
existed.  (And no more will be added to that list, but that's another story)

Hope this helps!

73, ron w3wn

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[mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of RAY FRIESS
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:57 PM
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Subject: [Dx-qsl] Deleted entry question


While going through the DXCC list tallying up my totals so far, I notice
that some countries, like Germany with the DL prefix, have footnotes
indicating that they are
in the deleted category.

If I worked such a county (as I did Germany) under the OLD rules, and then
it
was deleted and put back on under NEW rules because of political changes or
whatever in that country, and I have worked it a second time ... do I get
credit
for working TWO countries (Germany under the old rules and also under the
new rules).. or do I get credit for only ONE country, OR does the contact
under
the OLD rules now not count for anything??   Does a country not count at all
once it is deleted from the DXCC list?

Ray  WA7ITZ

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