[Dx-qsl] Deleted entry

[Bob Nielsen]

Close.  There are three "Germanys" on the list, two deleted and one  
current.  The "old" Germany was placed on the deleted list when the  
FRG and GDR were made separate entities in 1973.  In 1990 the GDR  
became part of the FRG (the current Germany).  Between September 1973  
and October 1990 the GDR counted as a separate country, now deleted.

Bob, N7XY

On Mar 31, 2008, at 6:54 PM, RAY FRIESS wrote:

> Ron:
> The reason I asked the question was that in several instances,  
> including Germany, I have cards for contacts that were made before  
> the date the entity was added to the deleted list.  The footnote on  
> the DXCC list says something similar to "only for contacts PRIOR  
> to" such and such a date, or "only for contacts AFTER" such and  
> such a date.   So I made a contact with the entity prior to the  
> date it was put on the delete list, and then again for the "new"  
> rules applying to the entity.
>
> So .. for instance .. with Germany.  I have several contacts with  
> there prior to when it was put on the deleted list, and several  
> recent contacts with Germany, which I guess is now called the GDR,  
> or the "one whole Germany"...
>
> Germany is on the DXCC lists twice ... one referring to the deleted  
> list which says only good for contacts prior to such and such a  
> date, and the second Germany entry  which is guess for when Germany  
> became "one country" and not when it was divided.
>
> So .. I surmise from what everyone has been saying .. that when it  
> comes to applying for DXCC and when it comes to counting my totals,  
> I don't have just ONE Germany (or country) .. but TWO (countries)   
> because I made a contact before it was put on the deleted list and  
> again recently .. or after the wall came down.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> Sorry to be answering this so late, but I'm trying to get caught up  
> on my
> email here.
>
> The question is, which Germany did you work, when?
>
> Let's start with the resumption of Amateur Radio after WW 2.  There  
> was only
> one "Germany" on the DXCC list... call it Post-War Germany.  That's  
> the
> Germany that is on the Deleted List right now, and if you worked  
> someone up
> until the time it was deleted in 1973, it still counts.
>
> Post-War Germany was deleted 16 September 1973.  If I recall the date
> correctly, this was about the time that the Federal Republic of  
> Germany (W
> Germany) and German Democratic Republic (E Germany) were admitted  
> to the UN.
> Why the change then and not before?  I don't recall reading the  
> reasoning at
> the time, but I think it's safe to assume that there was no reasonable
> expectation at that point that the two countries would become one  
> again for
> the forseeable future.  If you worked a station in either entity  
> from that
> point forward until 1990, they count for the respective entity.
>
> 03 October 1990 marks the date that, following the political  
> changes in
> Eastern Europe, the two parts of the former Post-War Germany  
> reunited.  Now
> here's where it gets a little tricky.  The FRG absorbed the GDR...  
> the FRG
> remains.  So... QSO's with the former GDR from 16 September 1973 to 03
> October 1990 count as the deleted GDR entity.  BUT -- QSO's with  
> the FRG
> count from 16 September 1973 to this day, since that was the  
> "surviving"
> political entity.  (Now had the two merged into one, not one  
> absorbing the
> other, the situation would have been different, but that's not the way
> things happened).
>
> As a practical matter, we call the current or active DXCC entity  
> "Germany."
> But it's full name is the Federal Republic of Germany, which is NOT  
> the same
> DXCC country/entity as the now deleted (Post-War) Germany.
>
> Therefore... it is possible to have worked the one station or amateur
> operator three times, and have it count as three different  
> entities, all
> from the same QTH.  It's all in the timing!
>
> [For example, if you worked & confirmed Hans DM0XXXX in 1972, you  
> have a
> Germany(Deleted) credit; if you worked & confirmed him as Y99XXXX  
> in 1989,
> you have a GDR(Deleted) credit; and if you worked & confirmed him last
> summer as DG0XXXX, you have an FRG, aka Germany(active), credit.]
>
> Now, does a country count after it's been put on the Deleted List?   
> Yes, but
> ONLY for QSO's made during the period of time that the country/ 
> entity still
> existed.  (And no more will be added to that list, but that's  
> another story)
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> 73, ron w3wn
>
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Bob Nielsen
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