[Dx-qsl] 7O1YGF, 7O1A

[jcowens1 at comcast.net]

Bernie:

The point in all of this is that I think everyone agrees that rules are necessary to properly administrate an awards program lilke this, but there is a sizeable opinion that DXCC is not helping the situation with their very strict interpretations in some cases, and not so strict in others. The DXCC Honor Roll would be a worthless piece of paper without a good structure to the program. Rather than help these DXpeditions be successful, they are sort of standing back and saying "when you get through playing, show me your cards and I will tell you whether you won or we did". 

The DXCC could generate a list of proper agencies whose approval would be required to be sanctioned by DXCC. There are only 337 countries so that is not such a long list. It would avoid a lot of confusion. In the absence of doing this, they should be a llittle more flexible in interpreting proper autorization for operating in a country like Yemen where it may not be so clear as to who is in charge and who has that responsibility to authorize. I  had a country credited by DXCC for years on my records, only to have it taken away from me because  they reconsidered the operation and disallowed it. They did so without even a mention of it on my paperwork. One day I discovered my country count had gone down by one and I found out about the removal only when I questioned what had happened. 

It appears that no one is disputing that they were there and made an honest effort at getting properly licensed and authorized, but these groups appeared to have been misled by those claiming to have authority to permit their operation. DXCC doesn't like or approve of that effort and its outcome, and penalizes this group (and all the folks wo worked them and got a worthless card) who made an honest effort to run an approved operation. I think that at least one, or perhaps both of these operations should be sanctioned by DXCC, and in doing so would not be compromising their program and its awards. I know this has been hashed over and over again over the years, but  there are a lot of people who disagree with DXCC on this one. And they wonder why they have a declining membership!

And what are they doing to help clear up the Desecheo mess? Invisible to me.

John Owens - N7TK

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-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <bernie at dailydx.com> 

> John 
> I would like all operations to count! My only point of listing the QSOs was 
> to say that some count and some don't. I've worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF. 
> Between the two it would give me 3 new band countries. Believe me I wish 
> both counted! It is very important for the DXCC to have rules in place so 
> that we don't have CBers/Freebanders just showing up and getting on the air 
> with no authorization. That would be the worse thing for Amateur Radio and 
> the ARRL DXCC Desk. 
> 
> Bernie McClenny, W3UR 
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx-qsl-bounces at mailman.qth.net] 
> On Behalf Of jcowens1 at comcast.net 
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 15:13 
> To: DX-QSL Reflector 
> Subject: [Dx-qsl] 7O1YGF, 7O1A 
> 
> Let me see if I have this correct now. In each case, a group of amateuer 
> radio operators (doesn't matter who or which country) decides they are going 
> to help the many deserving ones of us by activating the difficult country of 
> Yemen. 
> 
> They search for the authorizing or licensing agency for this kind of 
> operation, get permission from someone or some department that says they are 
> the ones that have the authority, and they tell you to go ahead and do it. 
> Then they suffer the expense, logistical nightmares and personal risk 
> toconduct the operation. I am sure it is no picnic doing this kind of thing 
> in Yemen Then they print these expensive QSL cards and labor for hours to 
> get them mailed out to us, all in the interest of misrepresenting themselves 
> and fooling all us of into thinking we had a "good one". Joke's on you. 
> 
> Got to be honest with you in saying that it has to be a real chore finding 
> out who is the licensing or authorizing agency in a country like Yemen. What 
> are the odds of getting it right the first time? Now Bernie and Ron have put 
> themselves right in the middle of this by defending the DXCC decision to 
> reject these operations. Bernie doesn't have to sweat it as he already has 3 
> confirmed ones in the box. That sure makes me feel better about it. The 
> 7O1YGF (the Yemen German Friendship operation - apparently not so 
> friendly??) never did turn in any documentation to DXCC at all per the 
> defenders. The 7O1A operation didn't know the capital of Yemen is Sana and 
> not Aden and will thus be punished. 
> 
> So the obvious conclusion to this has to be that the individual operators of 
> these 2 operations were the ones who frauded us and we should take them to 
> task for it. Public flogging seem appropriate. 
> 
> Given the circumstances, trying to conduct a properly authorized operation 
> of this type in Yemen has to be a monumental, if not impossible task. I 
> think the DXCC committee should cut some reasonable slack for operations 
> like this that were obviously conducted from there, and with what the 
> operator's or group thought was proper authorization. Not all of these 
> countries allow a "clean as a whistle" authorization. I am sure this kind of 
> "flexibilty" has been applied to other operations. Perhaps the DXCC 
> committee should publish a list of authorizing agencies that must grant 
> permission from a DXCC country for it to be recognized. That would save 
> everyone a lot of headaches and heartaches. 
> 
> John Owens - N7TK 
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