[Dx-qsl] Re: DX-QSL Digest, Vol 41, Issue 22

Gerry Hohn telwest at telusplanet.net
Thu Jun 21 17:58:20 EDT 2007 

I think the ARRL policy on eQSL is clear.

NEWINGTON, CT, Mar 7, 2002--Recent discussion regarding the QSL service 
offered by eQSL.ccTM suggests that there is some confusion about ARRL QSL 
policy. Simply put, there has been no change in League policy regarding 
e-QSLs. ARRL does not accept QSLs that have been transmitted to the 
recipient via electronic means for its awards. Anyone acting as an 
authorized QSL manager, however, may receive logs via e-mail (or any other 
direct means) and send QSL cards, via post mail, to recipients. This is the 
traditional QSL manager process. As has always been the case, certain norms 
are expected when handling cards in this manner.



Gerry VE6LB

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>   1. qsls printed from QRZ (FireBrick)
>   2. Re: qsls printed from QRZ (Dick Flanagan)
>   3. Re: qsls printed from QRZ (Terry)
>   4. Re: qsls printed from QRZ (Chris Codella, W2PA)
>   5. Contest Scoring (Jeff Carter)
>   6. Re: Re: [dx-list] DID I MISS SOMETHING ?? (Tom Homewood)
>   7. Re: [dx-list] KH0N / vanity calls (Alan Zack)
>   8. Re: Re: [dx-list] KH0N / vanity calls (Bob Nielsen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:37:08 -0500
> From: "FireBrick" <w9ol at billnjudy.com>
> Subject: [Dx-qsl] qsls printed from QRZ
> To: "QSL List" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <000501c7b42a$cb242c00$6401a8c0 at ShackOne>
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> I worked a DX station who told me..."I don't have cards, and don't want
> any."
> "You can go to QRZ.com and copy the 'signed' qsl card that's there".
> "Fill in the data and use that."
>
> "I maintain a log, so it can be verified if asked."
>
>
> That was his statement and that's what's also on the QRZ.com listing for
> him.
>
> I'm very reluctant to do this.
> As I'm pretty sure the ARRL desk would not accept this, even if he was
> willing to verify the qso/qsl via email if asked to do so.
>
> Just curious, has anyone ever received credit for such a qsl?
> This was a new challenge band mode for me.
>
> I emailed the DXCC desk asking this question but did not get a reply.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Bill H. in Chicagoland
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> weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:05:42 -0700
> From: Dick Flanagan <dick at twohams.com>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] qsls printed from QRZ
> To: FireBrick <w9ol at billnjudy.com>
> Cc: QSL List <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20070621110216.03f8af10 at mail.greatbasin.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I would fill out his card just like he asks and then send him that card
> along with a SASE for him to "verify."  I have received confirmations like
> this from other sources who basically returned my card back to me with a
> note that it was confirmed.  The DXCC desk accepted them.
>
> Without some kind of real signed verification from him, though, you're 
> SOL.
>
> 73, Dick
>
> At 10:37 AM 6/21/2007, FireBrick wrote:
> >I worked a DX station who told me..."I don't have cards, and don't want
> >any."
> >"You can go to QRZ.com and copy the 'signed' qsl card that's there".
> >"Fill in the data and use that."
> >
> >"I maintain a log, so it can be verified if asked."
> >
> >
> >That was his statement and that's what's also on the QRZ.com listing for
> >him.
> >
> >I'm very reluctant to do this.
> >As I'm pretty sure the ARRL desk would not accept this, even if he was
> >willing to verify the qso/qsl via email if asked to do so.
> >
> >Just curious, has anyone ever received credit for such a qsl?
> >This was a new challenge band mode for me.
> >
> >I emailed the DXCC desk asking this question but did not get a reply.
> >
> >Bill H. in Chicagoland
>
> --
> Dick Flanagan K7VC NV SM
> k7vc at arrl.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:17:08 -0700
> From: Terry <kk6t at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] qsls printed from QRZ
> Cc: QSL List <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <467AC0A4.3040901 at pacbell.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> Can someone please give me an example of a "signed" QSL card on QRZ
>
> FireBrick wrote:
>> I worked a DX station who told me..."I don't have cards, and don't
>> want any."
>> "You can go to QRZ.com and copy the 'signed' qsl card that's there".
>> "Fill in the data and use that."
>>
>> "I maintain a log, so it can be verified if asked."
>>
>>
>> That was his statement and that's what's also on the QRZ.com listing
>> for him.
>>
>> I'm very reluctant to do this.
>> As I'm pretty sure the ARRL desk would not accept this, even if he was
>> willing to verify the qso/qsl via email if asked to do so.
>>
>> Just curious, has anyone ever received credit for such a qsl?
>> This was a new challenge band mode for me.
>>
>> I emailed the DXCC desk asking this question but did not get a reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Bill H. in Chicagoland
>> webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080
>> weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org
>>
>>
>> &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) but
>> also true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and
>> help financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:32:29 -0400
> From: "Chris Codella, W2PA" <w2pa at arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] qsls printed from QRZ
> To: QSL List <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <467AC43D.3090800 at arrl.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I'm certain this would not be accepted - or, more accurately, is not
> acceptable.  It's only one tiny step removed from printing your own QSL
> for whoever you work, without any involvement from the other station.
> It seems to me that certification of a contact *after* a submission is
> not the model the DXCC desk uses and would be a daunting workload if
> this were practiced.
>
> So, if one were to do a good job in creating such a card, it might be
> accepted by the DXCC desk (because they might not know its background),
> but would clearly be unacceptable, even unethical, for someone to submit
> such a thing.
>
> The "can be verified if asked" point is just silly.  Obviously this is
> true for every station on the planet who keeps a log.
>
> 73,
> Chris, W2PA
>
>
>
> FireBrick wrote:
>> I worked a DX station who told me..."I don't have cards, and don't
>> want any."
>> "You can go to QRZ.com and copy the 'signed' qsl card that's there".
>> "Fill in the data and use that."
>>
>> "I maintain a log, so it can be verified if asked."
>>
>>
>> That was his statement and that's what's also on the QRZ.com listing
>> for him.
>>
>> I'm very reluctant to do this.
>> As I'm pretty sure the ARRL desk would not accept this, even if he was
>> willing to verify the qso/qsl via email if asked to do so.
>>
>> Just curious, has anyone ever received credit for such a qsl?
>> This was a new challenge band mode for me.
>>
>> I emailed the DXCC desk asking this question but did not get a reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Bill H. in Chicagoland
>> webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080
>> weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org
>>
>>
>> &quot;Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've
>> got...till it's gone.&quot; from Big Yellow Taxi (Joni Mitchell) but
>> also true about QSL.NET if more users don't open their wallets and
>> help financially. Please contribute TODAY !!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:58:50 -0400
> From: Jeff Carter <kd4rbg at kd4rbg.com>
> Subject: [Dx-qsl] Contest Scoring
> To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: SEDXC <sedxc at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <200706211558.50407.kd4rbg at kd4rbg.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello all,
>
> This may be rather well covered ground, but I haven't seen the discussion.
> I'd be happy to read any links that anyone might have on the subject.  I 
> know
> there was a lot of anger back and forth about CW all over the InterWeb, 
> but
> now maybe enough time has passed that we can talk about CW as thoughtful
> adults.
>
> In any case, please read the entirety of this before screaming.
>
> My question revolves around the fact that we as a community are holding on 
> to
> two concepts that seem diametrically opposed to me, said concepts being 
> (a)
> Nothing Gets Through Like Morse Code and (b) CW Contacts Are Worth More in
> Contests.
>
> In short, we're rewarding at twice the rate something that we're also 
> saying
> is The Mode That Never Fails.  Shouldn't we recognize and reward contacts
> based on difficulty across the board?  For example, we often recognize VHF 
> or
> UHF DX for its level of difficulty.  Does it make sense to reward CW 
> contacts
> at twice the rate if they're twice as easy to copy?
>
> Riley Hollingsworth said at Dayton that Ham Radio is aging, and poorly, 
> but
> whether or not you agree with him it does seem to me that as current Hams 
> get
> out of the hobby or go SK and new ones come in,  the new ones will not be
> required to know Morse Code.  In turn, every year that goes by leaves a
> smaller and smaller group who could be expected to be able to take 
> advantage
> of a contest scoring system that favors CW contacts.  Is the "Grade
> Inflation" for CW a method of protecting a mode?  If so, why would any 
> given
> mode need protecting, particularly one that many claimed is the Best There
> Is?
>
> So, in your opinion as individuals, which is it?  Is CW a mode that stands 
> on
> its own for its ability to be pulled out of the noise when All Else Fails, 
> or
> like so many subsidized and/or substandard things in this country that 
> happen
> to have an emotionally attached following, should we continue to play the
> Grade Inflation Game where CW is concerned?
>
> I'm not a very good contester, even though I enjoy playing.  Since I'm not
> very good at it, the ultimate answer to the question of what to do about 
> this
> isn't going to affect me that much.  It does seem to me that whatever 
> we're
> doing as a group, however, should make at least common sense, and I'm not
> certain this does.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Jeff/KD4RBG
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:13:05 -0400
> From: "Tom Homewood" <w1to at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Re: [dx-list] DID I MISS SOMETHING ??
> To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>, "Peter Dougherty" <w2irt at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <00b601c7b448$f5efb1c0$0201a8c0 at Work>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Per the link you gave, 6 by 9 is OK if it is under one ounce. (unless it 
> is
> non-machineable)
>
> Tom, W1TO
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Dougherty" <w2irt at comcast.net>
> To: <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Re: [dx-list] DID I MISS SOMETHING ??
>
>
>> Here's the info from USPS on what goes cheap and what gets goosed:
>>
>> http://postcalc.usps.gov/PopUps/pop_up13.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:00 PM 06/20/2007, Richard DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>>>Yep.  6 x 9 is now "large size" and costs $0.58
>>>
>>>73 Rich NN3W
>>>
>>>---- Ray <w8cnl at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> > AM MANAGER FOR 9K2ZZ, 9K9Z, ETC.
>>> > TODAY RECEIVED A SASE FROM A K4 STATION IN TENN.
>>> > OUTER ENVELOPE WAS A 6 X 9 INCH.
>>> > HAD STANDARD 1ST CLASS STAMP ON IT.
>>> > KICKER IS, IT ALSO CAME WITH 17 CENTS POSTAGE DUE !
>>> > IS THIS A POST OFFICE CHANGE I MISSED ??  I KNOW SIZE MATTERS, BUT I
>>> > DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ENVELOPES !!!
>>> > WAS NOT FOR WEIGHT AS IT ONLY HAD A STANDARD SAE AND 1 CARD IN IT. I
>>> > ANSWERED IT OF COURSE BUT AM NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
>>> > ANY NEWS OR RUMORS GUYS ???
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter,
>> W2IRT
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:14:49 -0700
> From: "Alan Zack" <k7acz at cox.net>
> Subject: [Dx-qsl] Re: [dx-list] KH0N / vanity calls
> To: <dx-list at yahoogroups.com>, "\"Stuart Santelmann KC1F\""
> <kc1f at comcast.net>
> Cc: DX <dx at mailman.qth.net>, Bill CrossFCC <bcross at fcc.gov>, GOLIST
> REFLECTOR <golist at yahoogroups.com>, dx-news at arrl.org, Riley
> Hollingsworth <Riley.Hollingsworth at fcc.gov>, DX QSL
> <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>, DX-NEWS <dx-news at njdxa.org>, "Bernie
> McClenny, W3UR" <bernie at dailydx.com>, arrl <k1zz at arrl.net>
> Message-ID: <015901c7b449$341a9c80$b2fea8c0 at ALANZACK>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Stuart,
>
> Yes, KH0N is a highly desired Extra Class call.  Since US
> Prefixes for calls outside the continental US contain 2 letters
> and a number (KH6, KL7, KP4, etc) a 2 by 1 call is very
> desirable.
>
> My major complaint are foreigners who may NEVER set foot on US
> soil obtaining a US Extra Class ham license without taking any
> sort of test or exam by just having his friends or classmates who
> are VE's sign off on his application.  Then they use a club or
> friend's USA PO Box or other address as their USA address for the
> FCC to mail the license.  I have seen the VE paperwork passed
> around at lunches or brought to a person's home to be signed off
> by a VE who never witnessed any sort of testing or may have never
> met the applicant.  These people are issued an US Extra Class
> call that may never be heard on the air because in some countries
> (my experience is with the Philippines) it is very difficult to
> obtain a visa to enter the US.  I do know of one case where the
> person in question obtained a KH0 call in this manner.  His KH0
> call remained dormant for years.  Then he got married to a school
> teacher who was recruited to teach in the U.S.  Once the wife
> obtained her working permit and arrived in the U.S. the husband
> submitted a change of address to the FCC using the wife's U.S.
> address.  Then after a period of time she was allowed to petition
> the husband to join her here.  So now this person holds a U.S.
> 5th call area call and is on the air in the U.S. without ever
> being tested.
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Alan Zack
> Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
> Official USCG Auxiliary Comm Station
> Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
> Delta Rocket Quality Engineer, The Boeing Company, Retired
> Aviation Chief Warrant Officer,  U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
> U.S. Coast Guard, Always Ready, Always There
> Every hour, Every day, Around the Clock and Around the World
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> http://www.comm-one.org
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> http://images.military.com/Video/050617_CGClip.wmv
> http://images.military.com/Video/051007_CoastGuard.wmv
> http://www.quarters-one.com/lipsBill.html
> http://www.quarters-one.com/lipsOldSchoolRecruiting.html
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart Santelmann KC1F" <kc1f at comcast.net>
> To: <dx-list at yahoogroups.com>; "DX" <dx at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [dx-list] KH0N / vanity calls
>
>
>> Alan:
>>
>> Your post didn't get much of a response, so I'll weigh in.
>> This is something that has bothered me for years.  Is there any
>> other country in the world that lets non-resident, non-citizens
>> not only take their country's licensing exams on their own
>> soil, but also have access to their most desirable callsigns
>> through a vanity program ?  I'm not sure if KH0N is a vanity
>> call, but a lot of them did go to foreign hams.  The 1x2
>> callsign I was trying to get when Gate 2 opened in 1996 went to
>> a fellow whose email address ended in ".de" but had a mailing
>> address in Texas, and who applied electronically at the last
>> minute.  Where do you think he lived ?  Shouldn't we be
>> reserving our most desirable callsigns for some high school kid
>> in Akron or Topeka, rather than a foreigner who may never need
>> to set foot in the US in order to use our reciprocal licensing
>> agreements ?  I do have much less of a problem with DX hams
>> getting our 2x3 callsigns, just leave them out of the vanity
>> opportunity.
>>
>> I don't really fault the DX stations taking advantage of what
>> we allow them to do - it's our fault for opening the loophole.
>> Maybe a start would be when the time comes for renewing the
>> bogus US vanity call, the renewal would need to come with a
>> rent receipt, utility bill, car registration, ANYTHING with
>> both the licensee's name and the USA address on it.
>>
>> Three guesses about how I feel about the illegal immigration
>> issue...
>>
>> Stu        KC1F  (hopefully to be "JA1F" if all goes well)
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Alan Zack
>>  To: dx-list at yahoogroups.com ; DX
>>  Cc: dx-list at yahoogroups.com ; DX-NEWS ; DX-QSL
>>  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:39 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [dx-list] KH0N
>>
>>
>>  This looks like a public announcement of a fraud upon the
>> United
>>  States of America. Here is a non-citizen/non-resident
>> illegally
>>  using an USA address to falsely apply for a U.S. Call sign.
>>  Especially in Guam and Saipan where most Extra class preferred
>>  2X1 calls are held by foreigners who may only go there one
>>  weekend every couple of years to work a contest or in the case
>> of
>>  DU ops applying for a U.S. call NEVER actually leave their own
>>  country.
>>
>>  The FCC allows foreigners to be tested in their own country by
>>  their own countrymen who are VE's but have never stepped foot
>> on
>>  U.S. soil to receive a U.S. Extra Class call. At some of these
>>  so called VE sessions no test is given, only applications
>> filled
>>  and money collected. I know, I was asked to be a VE at one of
>>  these sessions and reported the matter to the FCC but nothing
>>  changed.
>>
>>  Go to the RAC CD and take a look at how many KH0 and KH2 2X1
>>  calls are held by people with Filipino or Japanese sounding
>> names
>>  sharing the same PO Boxes or Mail Box Etc, PMB (private mail
>> box)
>>  or Mailex type address. They rent these boxes long enough to
>>  receive their license from the FCC then allow them to expire
>> or
>>  have a friend on the island to pick up their mail. Some have
>>  friends in the USA that allow their address to be used in this
>>  illegal activity. Good luck on ever expecting to get a QSL
>> card
>>  using any of these addresses.
>>  ______________________________________
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Ray" <w8cnl at bellsouth.net>
>>  To: "DX" <dx at mailman.qth.net>
>>  Cc: <dx-list at yahoogroups.com>; "DX-NEWS" <dx-news at arrl.org>;
>>  "DX-QSL" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>>  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:24 PM
>>  Subject: [dx-list] KH0N
>>
>>  >I AM NOT THE QSL MANAGER FOR KH0N.
>>  > MY ADDRESS IS FOR FCC PURPOSES ONLY.
>>  > IF YOU READ AT ALL, IT SAYS QSL VIA JA6CNL.
>>  > ANY CARDS RECEIVED WILL NOT BE FORWARDED TO TONY.
>>  > THIS HAS BEEN PUT OUT OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS OR SO IN EVERY
>>  > DX BULLETIN .
>>  > THANKS FOR READING !!!
>>  >
>>  > -- 
>>  > Raymond H. McClure
>>  > W8CNL
>>  > 5 McKenzie Circle
>>  > North Augusta, South Carolina
>>  > 29841-4319
>>  >
>>  > 1-803-279-8845
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700
> From: Bob Nielsen <nielsen at oz.net>
> Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Re: [dx-list] KH0N / vanity calls
> To: QSL REFLECTOR <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <F2D9BEEF-D754-4192-AE54-72CCD0E60523 at oz.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> And there are undoubtedly many more licensees who have never left the
> US and have callsigns without ever being tested.  Fortunately there
> have been crackdowns on unethical VEs, but some will always slip
> through the cracks.
>
> Bob, N7XY
>
> On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Alan Zack wrote:
>
>> Stuart,
>>
>> Yes, KH0N is a highly desired Extra Class call.  Since US Prefixes
>> for calls outside the continental US contain 2 letters and a number
>> (KH6, KL7, KP4, etc) a 2 by 1 call is very desirable.
>>
>> My major complaint are foreigners who may NEVER set foot on US
>> soil obtaining a US Extra Class ham license without taking any
>> sort of test or exam by just having his friends or classmates who
>> are VE's sign off on his application.  Then they use a club or
>> friend's USA PO Box or other address as their USA address for the
>> FCC to mail the license.  I have seen the VE paperwork passed
>> around at lunches or brought to a person's home to be signed off by
>> a VE who never witnessed any sort of testing or may have never met
>> the applicant.  These people are issued an US Extra Class call that
>> may never be heard on the air because in some countries (my
>> experience is with the Philippines) it is very difficult to obtain
>> a visa to enter the US.  I do know of one case where the person in
>> question obtained a KH0 call in this manner.  His KH0 call remained
>> dormant for years.  Then he got married to a school teacher who was
>> recruited to teach in the U.S.  Once the wife obtained her working
>> permit and arrived in the U.S. the husband submitted a change of
>> address to the FCC using the wife's U.S. address.  Then after a
>> period of time she was allowed to petition the husband to join her
>> here.  So now this person holds a U.S. 5th call area call and is on
>> the air in the U.S. without ever being tested.
>>
>> _______________________________________________________
>> Alan Zack
>> Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ
>> Official USCG Auxiliary Comm Station
>> Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
>> Delta Rocket Quality Engineer, The Boeing Company, Retired
>> Aviation Chief Warrant Officer,  U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
>> U.S. Coast Guard, Always Ready, Always There
>> Every hour, Every day, Around the Clock and Around the World
>> SEMPER PARATUS
>> http://www.geocities.com/k7acz
>> http://gocoastguard.com
>> http://www.uscgradio.net
>> http://www.comm-one.org
>> http://patriotfiles.org/CoastiesRule.htm
>> http://images.military.com/Video/050617_CGClip.wmv
>> http://images.military.com/Video/051007_CoastGuard.wmv
>> http://www.quarters-one.com/lipsBill.html
>> http://www.quarters-one.com/lipsOldSchoolRecruiting.html
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Santelmann KC1F"
>> <kc1f at comcast.net>
>> To: <dx-list at yahoogroups.com>; "DX" <dx at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dx-list] KH0N / vanity calls
>>
>>
>>> Alan:
>>>
>>> Your post didn't get much of a response, so I'll weigh in. This is
>>> something that has bothered me for years.  Is there any other
>>> country in the world that lets non-resident, non-citizens not only
>>> take their country's licensing exams on their own soil, but also
>>> have access to their most desirable callsigns through a vanity
>>> program ?  I'm not sure if KH0N is a vanity call, but a lot of
>>> them did go to foreign hams.  The 1x2 callsign I was trying to get
>>> when Gate 2 opened in 1996 went to a fellow whose email address
>>> ended in ".de" but had a mailing address in Texas, and who applied
>>> electronically at the last minute.  Where do you think he lived ?
>>> Shouldn't we be reserving our most desirable callsigns for some
>>> high school kid in Akron or Topeka, rather than a foreigner who
>>> may never need to set foot in the US in order to use our
>>> reciprocal licensing agreements ?  I do have much less of a
>>> problem with DX hams getting our 2x3 callsigns, just leave them
>>> out of the vanity opportunity.
>>>
>>> I don't really fault the DX stations taking advantage of what we
>>> allow them to do - it's our fault for opening the loophole. Maybe
>>> a start would be when the time comes for renewing the bogus US
>>> vanity call, the renewal would need to come with a rent receipt,
>>> utility bill, car registration, ANYTHING with both the licensee's
>>> name and the USA address on it.
>>>
>>> Three guesses about how I feel about the illegal immigration issue...
>>>
>>> Stu        KC1F  (hopefully to be "JA1F" if all goes well)
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----  From: Alan Zack
>>>  To: dx-list at yahoogroups.com ; DX
>>>  Cc: dx-list at yahoogroups.com ; DX-NEWS ; DX-QSL
>>>  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:39 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [dx-list] KH0N
>>>
>>>
>>>  This looks like a public announcement of a fraud upon the United
>>>  States of America. Here is a non-citizen/non-resident illegally
>>>  using an USA address to falsely apply for a U.S. Call sign.
>>>  Especially in Guam and Saipan where most Extra class preferred
>>>  2X1 calls are held by foreigners who may only go there one
>>>  weekend every couple of years to work a contest or in the case of
>>>  DU ops applying for a U.S. call NEVER actually leave their own
>>>  country.
>>>
>>>  The FCC allows foreigners to be tested in their own country by
>>>  their own countrymen who are VE's but have never stepped foot on
>>>  U.S. soil to receive a U.S. Extra Class call. At some of these
>>>  so called VE sessions no test is given, only applications filled
>>>  and money collected. I know, I was asked to be a VE at one of
>>>  these sessions and reported the matter to the FCC but nothing
>>>  changed.
>>>
>>>  Go to the RAC CD and take a look at how many KH0 and KH2 2X1
>>>  calls are held by people with Filipino or Japanese sounding names
>>>  sharing the same PO Boxes or Mail Box Etc, PMB (private mail box)
>>>  or Mailex type address. They rent these boxes long enough to
>>>  receive their license from the FCC then allow them to expire or
>>>  have a friend on the island to pick up their mail. Some have
>>>  friends in the USA that allow their address to be used in this
>>>  illegal activity. Good luck on ever expecting to get a QSL card
>>>  using any of these addresses.
>>>  ______________________________________
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----  From: "Ray" <w8cnl at bellsouth.net>
>>>  To: "DX" <dx at mailman.qth.net>
>>>  Cc: <dx-list at yahoogroups.com>; "DX-NEWS" <dx-news at arrl.org>;
>>>  "DX-QSL" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
>>>  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:24 PM
>>>  Subject: [dx-list] KH0N
>>>
>>>  >I AM NOT THE QSL MANAGER FOR KH0N.
>>>  > MY ADDRESS IS FOR FCC PURPOSES ONLY.
>>>  > IF YOU READ AT ALL, IT SAYS QSL VIA JA6CNL.
>>>  > ANY CARDS RECEIVED WILL NOT BE FORWARDED TO TONY.
>>>  > THIS HAS BEEN PUT OUT OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS OR SO IN EVERY
>>>  > DX BULLETIN .
>>>  > THANKS FOR READING !!!
>>>  >
>>>  > --  > Raymond H. McClure
>>>  > W8CNL
>>>  > 5 McKenzie Circle
>>>  > North Augusta, South Carolina
>>>  > 29841-4319
>>>  >
>>>  > 1-803-279-8845
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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