Since I was unable to get a response from IZ8CCW I sent a email to YC3MM on Feb. 12, 2004 and received a reply on the next day. He said he would send my card for OC-197 direct. I rec'd that card today. Thank you very much Adhi for being so kind. If you go on another operation and need a manager, please keep me in mind as I would be proud to do it for you. Take care everybody and best 73 and DX. de K8SIX