[Dx-qsl] RE: Busted Calls
Donald McCoy
[email protected]
Thu Apr 17 10:56:02 2003
Replying to Bob, HK3CW, Yes, some managers may be "stricter" than others. I
am the manager for a Cuban station and almost always e mail him on NILs. I'm
sure many managers if they see say, HK2CW at the time & freq for HK3CW
understand it is a copy or typo error. I understand my Cuban friend has a
lot on his plate and mistakes happen. I get a number of time errors and some
date, like one day off errors. Myself, I just do DXCC mixed so just have one
or two DX cards for a country. As I have mentioned, I have ALWAYS sent at
least $2 and sometimes more. I have only used IRCs for Hiroo, XW2A as
instructed. I sent 2 then 3 and NEVER got a reply, even to an e mail. Thanks
to the Italian group I did get Laos confirmed later on. My score is 326/326
so GS work for me! 73, gl gud dx, Don W�DM
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: OY Busted (HK3CW)
2. RE: OY Busted (ray)
3. Rcvd: GM7V (Ron Notarius WN3VAW)
4. Re: OY Busted (Ron Notarius WN3VAW)
5. Re:OY LOG (Donald McCoy)
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Message: 1
From: "HK3CW" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:50:36 -0500
I sure do not want to raise a polemic here, and I'm all for John and his
busted call, it just depends on who your dealing with. I had a couple of
busted calls for a major DXP a few months back (SK3CW, HK3CR) and I had
worked them more on the same band just different modes so I didn't fight it,
I'm HK3CW of course, but the manager would not allow it and put both my
qso's as not in log. Some are very strict ..they dont care about the qrm ...
Just my two pennies worth.
73 de HK3CW ROB
----- Original Message -----
From: John C Owens <[email protected]>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted
> My thanks to all who helped check the OY log for my contact on 30M. It
> was nearly unanimous that I was not in the log, except for a gentleman
> named Rob Snieder - PA5ET, the QSL manager for the operation. He found
> my contact with the call N7HEJ (vs N7SEJ, my call). I told you there was
> lots of QRM. It definitely pays to fully check out these things as it may
> bean the difference between getting or not getting a card for a rare
> contact. Thanks Rob and all of the rest of you who helped me out. Nice
> guys!!
>
> John Owens (N7SEJ)
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:30:52 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "ray" <[email protected]>
To: "HK3CW" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted
Yep, Rob...=0D
=0D
Busted calls are busted calls...we've all had them. Frequently easier to=
go
work another and especially if they are of the Garden Variety OY.=0D
My 2 cents worth...hi=0D
=0D
73 de Ray...K6VX=0D
=0D
=0D
HK3CW=0D
Date: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:51:20 AM=0D
To: [email protected]=0D
Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted=0D
=0D
I sure do not want to raise a polemic here, and I'm all for John and his=0D
busted call, it just depends on who your dealing with. I had a couple of=0D
busted calls for a major DXP a few months back (SK3CW, HK3CR) and I had=0D
worked them more on the same band just different modes so I didn't fight =
it,=0D
I'm HK3CW of course, but the manager would not allow it and put both my=0D
qso's as not in log. Some are very strict ..they dont care about the qrm =
=2E..=0D
=0D
Just my two pennies worth.=0D
=0D
73 de HK3CW ROB
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Message: 3
From: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[email protected]>
To: "DX QSL" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Dx-qsl] Rcvd: GM7V
Received today:
GM7V via M0CMK (ARRL DX SSB 2002) Approx. 10 month turn around
Sent to the UK with US$2, returned via USPS First Class from San Diego CA
73, ron wn3vaw
And now, the 2003 Version of the Jack Bogut Memorial Joke:
Why aren't they serving beer at PNC Park this year?
Because (drumroll please), the Pirates lost the Opener!
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Message: 4
From: "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" <[email protected]>
To: "DX QSL" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:59:05 -0400
I think a lot depends on (a) the call busted and (b) if/when the station
finds out his call was busted.
If you know or suspect, while the operation is in progress, that it's
busted, and an on-line log (in reasonable time) is not available for
whatever reason, then try for an insurance contact -- if possible on another
mode on the same band. This may be one of the few reasons that an insurance
QSO is reasonable; you don't KNOW whether or not you got through, therefore
you must assume you didn't.
But the bigger problem is tracking down the QSO after the fact. Some
managers are very strict on how accurate the log is. Others may give you
the benefit of the doubt if there's a reasonable chance that it wasn't
someone else. (I just went through this with the manager for an Antarctic
station -- thanks to DX Central spotting logs & a lot of help getting me the
data, I was able to show him that the station had been on a different band
than the log showed, which indicated that the DX station had simply
forgotten to change bands in his software!)
I sometimes wonder how many DX cards end up with N3VAW & N3EAW! (I know
N3VAW is in the ZL7C log on 30 CW... fortunately I got through again the
next day with less static and better condx)
What I find as a bigger aggravation are those who QRM the frequencies that
the DX station is listening to, which is a frequent cause of log errors. I
& many others missed out on a certain Central American entity on 75 phone
last year because of QRM being applied to their listening frequencies by
someone upset about their allocated call, and to a Oceania entity on 30 CW
for the same reason. But you can't get upset about it, just shrug it off
and try again.
73, ron wn3vaw
And now, the 2003 Version of the Jack Bogut Memorial Joke:
Why aren't they serving beer at PNC Park this year?
Because (drumroll please), the Pirates lost the Opener!
----- Original Message -----
From: "HK3CW" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted
I sure do not want to raise a polemic here, and I'm all for John and his
busted call, it just depends on who your dealing with. I had a couple of
busted calls for a major DXP a few months back (SK3CW, HK3CR) and I had
worked them more on the same band just different modes so I didn't fight it,
I'm HK3CW of course, but the manager would not allow it and put both my
qso's as not in log. Some are very strict ..they dont care about the qrm ...
Just my two pennies worth.
73 de HK3CW ROB
----- Original Message -----
From: John C Owens <[email protected]>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: [Dx-qsl] OY Busted
> My thanks to all who helped check the OY log for my contact on 30M. It
> was nearly unanimous that I was not in the log, except for a gentleman
> named Rob Snieder - PA5ET, the QSL manager for the operation. He found
> my contact with the call N7HEJ (vs N7SEJ, my call). I told you there was
> lots of QRM. It definitely pays to fully check out these things as it may
> bean the difference between getting or not getting a card for a rare
> contact. Thanks Rob and all of the rest of you who helped me out. Nice
> guys!!
>
> John Owens (N7SEJ)
>
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Message: 5
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
From: "Donald McCoy" <[email protected]>
To: "dx-qsl-digest" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Dx-qsl] Re:OY LOG
Congratulations to John, N7SEJ on getting the 30 Meter contact confirmed! A
year or so ago I asked a German DXpedition to check a CW NIL contact for me
at a specific time and date. Sure enough, they had W9DM (Not W�DM) for that
slot. They did give me credit. It pays to ask. But, I thought I worked that
YL from Pitcairn who was on Ducie even though she kept sending W�CM. Sure
enough she WAS working W�CM although the timing, back and forth worked
exactly for me too! I have been an active Ham for 40 years and that is the
first time that has happened to me. You learn something every day!
73, gud dx, Don W�DM
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