From boblark at proaxis.com  Tue Nov  1 03:25:22 2016
From: boblark at proaxis.com (Bob Larkin)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 00:25:22 -0700
Subject: [DSP-10] Sun Noise Measurement
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	<6CE02719-4EB1-418A-A258-CB5BEB5DCD29@gmail.com>
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Hi Courtney  -  Your note  got me to check with the ARRL and so I have 
been able to post a copy of the 2003 MUD paper, "The Use of  the Sun, 
Quiet Sky and Earth Nois Measurements for Determining System Paramenters 
with Error Analysis," at
http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/Sn_MUD3A_3.pdf

Additionally, I had never done an on-line Javascript calculator, so I 
moved the Basic program from the paper into that form.  It is a tad 
experimental yet, but I think is OK.  Any problems have to do with with 
browser differences.  The math part I'm quite sure is correct.  It has 
been a worthwhile learning experience, and the result may be useful:
http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/Calc_SQE.html
That links a second calculator for working with on-line Sun flux data. I 
would appreciate reports of browser problems from anybody.

Is your AMSAT paper available?

73, Bob  W7PUA



On 10/31/2016 08:58 PM, Courtney Duncan wrote:
> Hi Bob and Mike,
>
> Yes, I plan to use this method next try.  Also, several have suggested that I should get the coldest visible place on the sky to work from, something which I hadn?t been careful enough about before.
>
> I used the Alt-F data in my 10,000 second EME2 analysis for my 2006 AMSAT Symposium paper so I?m pretty familiar with the EME2 version anyway.  I may have reverse engineered it at the time.
>
> I?ll look around and see if I can find that MUD paper.
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> 73, Courtney, N5BF
>
>
>
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Bob Larkin <boblark at proaxis.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Courtney,
>>
>> Great to hear from you.  As for the measurements, what you are doing should be valid.  The number in the corner is the sum of the powers in the DFT bins, converted to dB after adding.
>>
>> But, there is provision to do better.  In the FM mode (of all things) the s-meter reading is the average noise power in the 12 kHz bandwidth. In addition, the ALT-F3, ALT-F4 averaging also applies to this measurement, so you can adjust the averaging time from 0.6 sec on up. This is block averaging over the chosen time interval. Because of this "instrumentation" use, the s-meter changes to show the dBm power to 3 decimal places.  This is generally excessive, but might be useful. See, also,
>> http://www.proaxis.com/%7Ekd7ts/v396/1CH1.HTM#sun_noise
>>
>> The ALT-F data record in FM is different, and has several data items useful for this kind of measurement.  I can't find where we wrote that data format down.  Am I missing it?
>>
>> Finally, I did a paper at the 2003 Microwave Update on Sun-Quiet Sky-Earth  noise measurements that has some comments on noise pickup.  I will see if I can get permission to post it.  It tries to summarize the general art of such measurements, and also adds info on using the three measurements to estimate both receiver noise figure and antenna gain.  I think some of that relates to what you are doing.
>>
>> 73, Bob   W7PUA
>>
>>
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From courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 20:13:25 2016
From: courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com (Courtney Duncan)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:13:25 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
Message-ID: <4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>

Bob, Mike, Jimmy, Roger, Kirk and Larry, (and/or anyone else who knows),

Per the reasons you give here, that the old PCs are getting old, I am about ready to acquire a new PC.

My Windows 98 PC that boots into DOS for DSP-10 is the only PC I still have and there are many reasons I need to move past it, a nearly 20 year old OS, hardware decrepitude, and modern networking needs among them.

Everyone else here and everything else we do is on Macs, believe it or not.  (It?s mostly e-mail?.)

This Puppy Linux based breakthrough sounds great!

So, I?m about to get a new PC so I can retire this old Windows 98 box and want to get the right thing.  I have a few questions:

- It looks like you don?t have to wipe or install anything new to use Puppy Linux.  So, whatever OS comes on this PC isn?t really affected.  Is that true?
- Although the PC may have USB, the DSP-10 is still RS-232.  That means needing something like a Keyspan adapter, correct?
- I assume that I can print screen and capture screen and such from Puppy Linux, correct?
- The other applications I want to run here are DOS or Windows programs like the VK3UM EME calculator.  I assume things like that will run under a DOSBox?
- Do I need to be running DSP-10 3.96 Software, or is that upgrade independent from this or required by this?
- The link http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso from http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/dsp10.htm from which one makes the Puppy Linux CD or stick appears to be broken.  Something wrong there?
- I notice that it has been 2-1/2 years since this was posted.  Is this still what people are using?  Are there other updates or hints?  In particular is 5.2.8 still recommended?

The most important question and the one that I posted this message primarily to ask is:

Is there some kind of modern, generic PC that would *not* be suitable for this use?  If I find a deal on E-Bay, for instance, or just go into Best Buy and come out in 45 minutes with something cheap, or someone just gives me a three year old PC that works is there something I should be looking out for, like CPU speed, memory capacity, ports, displays, or whatever?  (You can probably tell how old I am to even be asking questions like that.)  Is there a reason to use or not to use a laptop?  (I might want something potentially portable for other ham radio applications for instance.)

Thanks for your help, as always.  73, Courtney, N5BF




> On May 19, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Bob Larkin <boblark at proaxis.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> KD7TS, W7CQ, W7SZ and I have been experimenting with running the DSP-10 under Linux.  This has usually worked well, with all timing issues that arose under MS-Windows being solved.  The Linux distribution that we have focused on is Puppy Linux, version 5.2.8, and the DOS interpreter is DOSBox.
> 
> It provides several features, including:
> * Modern PC can run this.
> * USB to Serial adapters can be used---COM ports are not needed.
> * You can run from either CD or USB memory stick without changing the existing operating system.
> * You do not use your hard drive at all.
> * Other programs can be run in separate windows, as you are accustomed to seeing.
> 
> All the pieces are referenced near the top of the regular home page (See "Run under Puppy Linux):
> http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/dsp10.htm
> including an .ISO for the whole set of software. There are also screen shots, and a text file with general information.
> 
> Give this a try and report back here on your success or on problems!
> 
> 73, Bob  W7PUA
> 
> 
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From kd7ts at comcast.net  Fri Nov 25 22:24:47 2016
From: kd7ts at comcast.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:24:47 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
 question.
In-Reply-To: <4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:13:25 -0800
Courtney Duncan <courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com> wrote:

> In particular is 5.2.8 still recommended?

Hi Courtney,
Wow , lots of questions. First, If you go the the Linux route, the iso file (that has gone missing) has been pruned and tuned to work with the DSP-10 with almost no further effort needed. Also if this is the route you decide on, the machine needs a serial port and CD drive. If no CD or serial, then 2 USB ports will do, or some combination, and the BIOS needs to have the option to boot from CD or USB. I suspect most do.

I use an adapter cable from the USB that converts to RS 232 and plugs into the DSP-10. So, I am running Puppy Linux on one USB port and an adapter cable on another USB port. 
Look for 

USB to RS232 Serial 9 Pin DB9 PIN PL2303 Cable Adapter Convertor DT

on ebay. They are selling for $1.99 with free shipping. 

A reasonably fast machine is nice if you decide to run other things simultaneously. DOSBOX is not an especially fast way to run DOS, but that's OK since all it has to do is keep up with a 9600 rs 232 port.

I don't have any new machines,but have heard rumors that some machines refuse to boot non-Windows  hard drive boot records. If this is true, then some one has probably figured a way around it. Not sure it comes into play if you boot from USB or CD.

Once running, there is no difference. Everything runs as before. Be sure to use the shut down procedure for the DSP-10 and DOSBOX.

Mike

From boblark at proaxis.com  Sat Nov 26 03:37:50 2016
From: boblark at proaxis.com (Bob Larkin)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 00:37:50 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>

Hi Courtney and Mike - Yes on all.

I do not presently have an on-line place to long-term store the Puppy 
ISO file.  But, for anybody, I will be happy to arrange a way to get you 
the file, including short term storage.

The Puppy Linux is best run on 512 MB or more memory.  I am not sure of 
the minimums.

And UEFI booting is replacing the BIOS with Master Boot Records.  I have 
a PC with UEFI and was able to go to the settings and enable booting 
from USB sticks.  Some UEFI PC's may not provide for that. On mine, with 
a USB3 stick carrying Puppy, it is just seconds to fully load and be 
running.  By using the stick, it turns back into Lubuntu as soon as the 
stick is removed.

73, Bob


From w3sz73 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 09:39:25 2016
From: w3sz73 at gmail.com (Roger Rehr W3SZ)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:39:25 -0500
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
	<9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
Message-ID: <4477bcec-9295-83d2-799c-2288e6f98965@w3sz.net>

Hi Bob,

Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the offer.   I'd like to download the Puppy ISO file!
If you are able to put it somewhere that I can access, please let me know!

Have a great weekend, Bob, and Thanks for all that you do!

73,

Roger W3SZ

On 11/26/2016 3:37 AM, Bob Larkin wrote:
> Hi Courtney and Mike - Yes on all.
>
> I do not presently have an on-line place to long-term store the Puppy
> ISO file.  But, for anybody, I will be happy to arrange a way to get
> you the file, including short term storage.
>
> The Puppy Linux is best run on 512 MB or more memory.  I am not sure
> of the minimums.
>
> And UEFI booting is replacing the BIOS with Master Boot Records.  I
> have a PC with UEFI and was able to go to the settings and enable
> booting from USB sticks.  Some UEFI PC's may not provide for that. On
> mine, with a USB3 stick carrying Puppy, it is just seconds to fully
> load and be running.  By using the stick, it turns back into Lubuntu
> as soon as the stick is removed.
>
> 73, Bob
>
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From donj at ae5k.us  Sat Nov 26 11:40:35 2016
From: donj at ae5k.us (don)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:40:35 -0600
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <4477bcec-9295-83d2-799c-2288e6f98965@w3sz.net>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
	<9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
	<4477bcec-9295-83d2-799c-2288e6f98965@w3sz.net>
Message-ID: <1b82b015-43be-0b8b-5ba8-1eda23b49a3c@ae5k.us>

Greetings Bob...

Same here, let us know where to find it.

73,

Don AE5K


On 11/26/2016 08:39 AM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Happy Thanksgiving!
> Thanks for the offer.   I'd like to download the Puppy ISO file!
> If you are able to put it somewhere that I can access, please let me know!
>
> Have a great weekend, Bob, and Thanks for all that you do!
>
> 73,
>
> Roger W3SZ
>
>


From brian at amosfamily.net  Sat Nov 26 11:37:56 2016
From: brian at amosfamily.net (Brian Amos)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:37:56 -0700
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
	<9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
Message-ID: <d09639e5-9f97-3c32-f487-9420d26e7d1b@amosfamily.net>

Bob,

I'd be happy to put the ISO file on my webserver and make it available
to anyone for download.  If you can get it to me somehow. 

Brian

KF7OVD



On 11/26/2016 01:37 AM, Bob Larkin wrote:
> Hi Courtney and Mike - Yes on all.
>
> I do not presently have an on-line place to long-term store the Puppy
> ISO file.  But, for anybody, I will be happy to arrange a way to get
> you the file, including short term storage.
>
> The Puppy Linux is best run on 512 MB or more memory.  I am not sure
> of the minimums.
>
> And UEFI booting is replacing the BIOS with Master Boot Records.  I
> have a PC with UEFI and was able to go to the settings and enable
> booting from USB sticks.  Some UEFI PC's may not provide for that. On
> mine, with a USB3 stick carrying Puppy, it is just seconds to fully
> load and be running.  By using the stick, it turns back into Lubuntu
> as soon as the stick is removed.
>
> 73, Bob
>
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From courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 10:05:26 2016
From: courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com (Courtney Duncan)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 14:05:26 -0000
Subject: [DSP-10] Sun Noise Measurement
In-Reply-To: <4729b326-065e-b04d-2a8f-1f5f00b187f5@proaxis.com>
References: <6db7eba4-853d-6646-1397-21495278cc7b@proaxis.com>
	<6CE02719-4EB1-418A-A258-CB5BEB5DCD29@gmail.com>
	<4729b326-065e-b04d-2a8f-1f5f00b187f5@proaxis.com>
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:25 AM, Bob Larkin <boblark at proaxis.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Courtney  -  Your note  got me to check with the ARRL and so I have been able to post a copy of the 2003 MUD paper, "The Use of  the Sun, Quiet Sky and Earth Nois Measurements for Determining System Paramenters with Error Analysis," at
> http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/Sn_MUD3A_3.pdf

Got it - will try to make time to read it at lunch today or soon anyway.

> 
> Additionally, I had never done an on-line Javascript calculator, so I moved the Basic program from the paper into that form.  It is a tad experimental yet, but I think is OK.  Any problems have to do with with browser differences.  The math part I'm quite sure is correct.  It has been a worthwhile learning experience, and the result may be useful:
> http://www.proaxis.com/~boblark/Calc_SQE.html
> That links a second calculator for working with on-line Sun flux data. I would appreciate reports of browser problems from anybody.
> 
Looks good to me.  Test calculations I did agree with other sources I?ve used.  I was also able to get nonsense output by accidentally typing nonsense input but that?s expected and I wouldn?t do any work to ?protect? the inputs from typos.  I?m always worried about getting the math right, the user interface issues further down the list.

I have bookmarked it and will use it when I do updated measurements.  Unclear when I can attempt sun noise again since it?s nearly winter and the sun is down in the trees most of the time.  But we?ll see what I can do.

> Is your AMSAT paper available?

I don?t know that it?s ever been posted officially, AMSAT is not always that organized.

It appears that you can get it from my ?phase five? web page at http://cbduncan.duncanheights.com/HamRadio/Dsp10/PhaseFive/PhaseFive.html but I haven?t maintained it in a long time, so I attached a PDF from my shadow site on this computer.
-------------- next part --------------


Having reviewed the paper a few times in the last few years, I found a few math or assumption errors.  Also, I have done other calculations in years since and haven?t fully convinced myself that this experiment should have worked, but I suspect it did because the post processing program I wrote ?cherry picked? the data points by limiting the maximum noise allowed into the average, something DSP-10 Alt-F data facilitates.  I still plan to figure out what I really did one of these days when I understand everything well enough.

Note, I?ve been off earthlink for years.  Reference 2 is broken.  The closest equivalent now is http://cbduncan.duncanheights.com/HamRadio/Dsp10/Dsp10Legacy.html

Also, the ARRL website crashed in the intervening time so most of those links may be broken too.

Courtney

> 
> 73, Bob  W7PUA
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/31/2016 08:58 PM, Courtney Duncan wrote:
>> Hi Bob and Mike,
>> 
>> Yes, I plan to use this method next try.  Also, several have suggested that I should get the coldest visible place on the sky to work from, something which I hadn?t been careful enough about before.
>> 
>> I used the Alt-F data in my 10,000 second EME2 analysis for my 2006 AMSAT Symposium paper so I?m pretty familiar with the EME2 version anyway.  I may have reverse engineered it at the time.
>> 
>> I?ll look around and see if I can find that MUD paper.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> 
>> 73, Courtney, N5BF
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Bob Larkin <boblark at proaxis.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Courtney,
>>> 
>>> Great to hear from you.  As for the measurements, what you are doing should be valid.  The number in the corner is the sum of the powers in the DFT bins, converted to dB after adding.
>>> 
>>> But, there is provision to do better.  In the FM mode (of all things) the s-meter reading is the average noise power in the 12 kHz bandwidth. In addition, the ALT-F3, ALT-F4 averaging also applies to this measurement, so you can adjust the averaging time from 0.6 sec on up. This is block averaging over the chosen time interval. Because of this "instrumentation" use, the s-meter changes to show the dBm power to 3 decimal places.  This is generally excessive, but might be useful. See, also,
>>> http://www.proaxis.com/%7Ekd7ts/v396/1CH1.HTM#sun_noise
>>> 
>>> The ALT-F data record in FM is different, and has several data items useful for this kind of measurement.  I can't find where we wrote that data format down.  Am I missing it?
>>> 
>>> Finally, I did a paper at the 2003 Microwave Update on Sun-Quiet Sky-Earth  noise measurements that has some comments on noise pickup.  I will see if I can get permission to post it.  It tries to summarize the general art of such measurements, and also adds info on using the three measurements to estimate both receiver noise figure and antenna gain.  I think some of that relates to what you are doing.
>>> 
>>> 73, Bob   W7PUA
>>> 
>>> 
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From kd7ts at comcast.net  Sat Nov 26 13:12:23 2016
From: kd7ts at comcast.net (Mike)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:12:23 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
 question.
In-Reply-To: <d09639e5-9f97-3c32-f487-9420d26e7d1b@amosfamily.net>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
	<9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
	<d09639e5-9f97-3c32-f487-9420d26e7d1b@amosfamily.net>
Message-ID: <20161126101223.50eaf66648386b8de7f1c2ab@comcast.net>

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:37:56 -0700
Brian Amos <brian at amosfamily.net> wrote:

> Bob,
> 
> I'd be happy to put the ISO file on my webserver and make it available
> to anyone for download.  If you can get it to me somehow. 
> 
> Brian
> 
> KF7OVD

Hi Brian,

It has been a while since I used "dropbox" so I am hoping this still works. If I understand this, the files are removed after 30 days. (limited account) 

The ISO should be here :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo9pwovmgwhwz2a/puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso?dl=0

File size is about 171 MB and took about 10 minutes to upload to dropbox. It's probably faster downloading.

Take a good look at all the prompts. They really want to add you as a new customer, but you can opt out and just download the file without signing up for anything. The file name is puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso and the size is approx 171 MB.

If you decide this is not for you, I understand. It can remain on drop box, but I need to make sure it is available. There has been almost no interest in this until Courtney asked, so I am not seeing this as a very high priority.

I did not put your name or email address on any lists so I am not sure if this will work. Seems like it should.

Mike KD7TS

From ka7exm at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 13:13:41 2016
From: ka7exm at gmail.com (Roger Hayward)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:13:41 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <20161126101223.50eaf66648386b8de7f1c2ab@comcast.net>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
	<9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
	<d09639e5-9f97-3c32-f487-9420d26e7d1b@amosfamily.net>
	<20161126101223.50eaf66648386b8de7f1c2ab@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8E7B5EF2-540B-4C06-955C-0C2AB111F60A@gmail.com>

I?m interested in the puppy linux distribution, etc.  Thank you,
	(The other) Roger, KA7EXM



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Mike <kd7ts at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:37:56 -0700
> Brian Amos <brian at amosfamily.net> wrote:
> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> I'd be happy to put the ISO file on my webserver and make it available
>> to anyone for download.  If you can get it to me somehow. 
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> KF7OVD
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> It has been a while since I used "dropbox" so I am hoping this still works. If I understand this, the files are removed after 30 days. (limited account) 
> 
> The ISO should be here :
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo9pwovmgwhwz2a/puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso?dl=0
> 
> File size is about 171 MB and took about 10 minutes to upload to dropbox. It's probably faster downloading.
> 
> Take a good look at all the prompts. They really want to add you as a new customer, but you can opt out and just download the file without signing up for anything. The file name is puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso and the size is approx 171 MB.
> 
> If you decide this is not for you, I understand. It can remain on drop box, but I need to make sure it is available. There has been almost no interest in this until Courtney asked, so I am not seeing this as a very high priority.
> 
> I did not put your name or email address on any lists so I am not sure if this will work. Seems like it should.
> 
> Mike KD7TS
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From kd7ts at comcast.net  Sat Nov 26 13:25:55 2016
From: kd7ts at comcast.net (Mike)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:25:55 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
Message-ID: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>

Well I intended the previous message to go to Brian, but somehow it was redirected to the list. The intent was that Brian might host the file and forward the URL to the list. 

But ... that is not what happened. So if you are interested in this, you might try downloading from the dropbox link. Let us know via the reflector of any success or failure.

Mike KD7TS

From courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 14:16:05 2016
From: courtney.duncan.n5bf at gmail.com (Courtney Duncan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:16:05 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
In-Reply-To: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
References: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A298D4D3-CDFA-46F1-AB74-BD1F3C257BDB@gmail.com>

I was able to download the file in about two minutes after clicking ?no thanks? once.  Now I just need a PC to work with it.

Thanks Mike,  Courtney, N5BF


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Mike <kd7ts at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Well I intended the previous message to go to Brian, but somehow it was redirected to the list. The intent was that Brian might host the file and forward the URL to the list. 
> 
> But ... that is not what happened. So if you are interested in this, you might try downloading from the dropbox link. Let us know via the reflector of any success or failure.
> 
> Mike KD7TS
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From w3sz73 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 15:39:25 2016
From: w3sz73 at gmail.com (Roger Rehr W3SZ)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 15:39:25 -0500
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
In-Reply-To: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
References: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ec15566-fc70-6aa7-bc23-a37b10900c3c@w3sz.net>

Downloaded fine here in less than 15 seconds.  Thanks Mike!
73,
Roger W3SZ

On 11/26/2016 1:25 PM, Mike wrote:
> Well I intended the previous message to go to Brian, but somehow it was redirected to the list. The intent was that Brian might host the file and forward the URL to the list. 
>
> But ... that is not what happened. So if you are interested in this, you might try downloading from the dropbox link. Let us know via the reflector of any success or failure.
>
> Mike KD7TS
> ______________________________________________________________
> DSP-10 mailing list
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From ponyoop41 at wildblue.net  Sat Nov 26 16:02:13 2016
From: ponyoop41 at wildblue.net (Bill Grogan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 16:02:13 -0500
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
In-Reply-To: <4ec15566-fc70-6aa7-bc23-a37b10900c3c@w3sz.net>
References: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
	<4ec15566-fc70-6aa7-bc23-a37b10900c3c@w3sz.net>
Message-ID: <12504721-85e2-c2e5-bdef-4eccfcd87b40@wildblue.net>

I'm, new to this list.  how do I download from the dropbox link??

Bill NK3N


On 11/26/2016 3:39 PM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
> Downloaded fine here in less than 15 seconds.  Thanks Mike!
> 73,
> Roger W3SZ
>
> On 11/26/2016 1:25 PM, Mike wrote:
>> Well I intended the previous message to go to Brian, but somehow it was redirected to the list. The intent was that Brian might host the file and forward the URL to the list.
>>
>> But ... that is not what happened. So if you are interested in this, you might try downloading from the dropbox link. Let us know via the reflector of any success or failure.
>>
>> Mike KD7TS
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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From ka7exm at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 16:03:48 2016
From: ka7exm at gmail.com (Roger Hayward)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 13:03:48 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
In-Reply-To: <12504721-85e2-c2e5-bdef-4eccfcd87b40@wildblue.net>
References: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
	<4ec15566-fc70-6aa7-bc23-a37b10900c3c@w3sz.net>
	<12504721-85e2-c2e5-bdef-4eccfcd87b40@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <BE0CEAA5-BB58-4842-AE52-B9FB633E7EE5@gmail.com>

The ISO should be here :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo9pwovmgwhwz2a/puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo9pwovmgwhwz2a/puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso?dl=0>

Click on it.  You can proceed without signing in.



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Bill Grogan <ponyoop41 at wildblue.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm, new to this list.  how do I download from the dropbox link??
> 
> Bill NK3N
> 
> 
> On 11/26/2016 3:39 PM, Roger Rehr W3SZ wrote:
>> Downloaded fine here in less than 15 seconds.  Thanks Mike!
>> 73,
>> Roger W3SZ
>> 
>> On 11/26/2016 1:25 PM, Mike wrote:
>>> Well I intended the previous message to go to Brian, but somehow it was redirected to the list. The intent was that Brian might host the file and forward the URL to the list.
>>> 
>>> But ... that is not what happened. So if you are interested in this, you might try downloading from the dropbox link. Let us know via the reflector of any success or failure.
>>> 
>>> Mike KD7TS
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> DSP-10 mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dsp-10
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:DSP-10 at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
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From brian at amosfamily.net  Sat Nov 26 13:43:53 2016
From: brian at amosfamily.net (Brian Amos)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:43:53 -0700
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 under Puppy Linux: A potentially odd PC
	question.
In-Reply-To: <20161126101223.50eaf66648386b8de7f1c2ab@comcast.net>
References: <537A55D1.3040009@proaxis.com>
	<4A2BB9E6-685A-426C-8A54-5A5E39CF8137@gmail.com>
	<20161125192447.6dc63da8b44e2fe689b6816c@comcast.net>
	<9fbd778c-6984-6383-05c5-7727ad016bbd@proaxis.com>
	<d09639e5-9f97-3c32-f487-9420d26e7d1b@amosfamily.net>
	<20161126101223.50eaf66648386b8de7f1c2ab@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3ec6740b-fc37-9523-1672-0ada7550d4b0@amosfamily.net>

I have added the ISO file to my server, it can be found at

https://amoscomputing.com/iso

I'm not sure if dropbox charges for its services, this is no cost to me
as my company pays or the hosting. If that link doesn't work you will
also be able to find it at kf7ovd.com/iso

Brian
KF7OVD



On 11/26/2016 11:12 AM, Mike wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:37:56 -0700
> Brian Amos <brian at amosfamily.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I'd be happy to put the ISO file on my webserver and make it available
>> to anyone for download.  If you can get it to me somehow. 
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> KF7OVD
> Hi Brian,
>
> It has been a while since I used "dropbox" so I am hoping this still works. If I understand this, the files are removed after 30 days. (limited account) 
>
> The ISO should be here :
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo9pwovmgwhwz2a/puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso?dl=0
>
> File size is about 171 MB and took about 10 minutes to upload to dropbox. It's probably faster downloading.
>
> Take a good look at all the prompts. They really want to add you as a new customer, but you can opt out and just download the file without signing up for anything. The file name is puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso and the size is approx 171 MB.
>
> If you decide this is not for you, I understand. It can remain on drop box, but I need to make sure it is available. There has been almost no interest in this until Courtney asked, so I am not seeing this as a very high priority.
>
> I did not put your name or email address on any lists so I am not sure if this will work. Seems like it should.
>
> Mike KD7TS
> ______________________________________________________________
> DSP-10 mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dsp-10
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From brian at amosfamily.net  Sat Nov 26 16:27:09 2016
From: brian at amosfamily.net (Brian Amos)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:27:09 -0700
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
In-Reply-To: <A298D4D3-CDFA-46F1-AB74-BD1F3C257BDB@gmail.com>
References: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
	<A298D4D3-CDFA-46F1-AB74-BD1F3C257BDB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72385e82-401a-a527-e3b2-0c8d89a45c4d@amosfamily.net>

This might work within virtualbox, I haven't tried it. If it does then
it will work within any version of Microsoft Windows. 

Brian,

KF7OVD


On 11/26/2016 12:16 PM, Courtney Duncan wrote:
> I was able to download the file in about two minutes after clicking ?no thanks? once.  Now I just need a PC to work with it.
>
> Thanks Mike,  Courtney, N5BF
>
>
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Mike <kd7ts at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Well I intended the previous message to go to Brian, but somehow it was redirected to the list. The intent was that Brian might host the file and forward the URL to the list. 
>>
>> But ... that is not what happened. So if you are interested in this, you might try downloading from the dropbox link. Let us know via the reflector of any success or failure.
>>
>> Mike KD7TS
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> DSP-10 mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dsp-10
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:DSP-10 at mailman.qth.net
>>
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From boblark at proaxis.com  Sat Nov 26 17:26:04 2016
From: boblark at proaxis.com (Bob Larkin)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:26:04 -0800
Subject: [DSP-10] DSP-10 Image file
In-Reply-To: <72385e82-401a-a527-e3b2-0c8d89a45c4d@amosfamily.net>
References: <20161126102555.dcb06a2cf0f613136133c637@comcast.net>
	<A298D4D3-CDFA-46F1-AB74-BD1F3C257BDB@gmail.com>
	<72385e82-401a-a527-e3b2-0c8d89a45c4d@amosfamily.net>
Message-ID: <87ee14d5-2214-6591-ee08-ff7e7dedfc02@proaxis.com>


Thanks, Group, for getting this going.  Brian, if you can find a 
"permanent" spot for the file that would be great.  Also, I checked my 
original, as well as Mike's Dropbox file, and the MD5SUM is
4aedd65e1abe5aaeae47c9173849012f  puppy-5.2.8_dsp10_5.iso

If you have any questions about file integrity, that check will confirm 
the integrity of the file.

One last thought.  Going back to Roger H.'s efforts, the problems under 
Windows have not been getting the program to run, but rather timing 
issues, particularly timed transmit which occurs in the PC, not the DSP. 
The quick check is to send CW at 20 WPM. The timing has never been 
close, but maybe a super fast PC could fix that.

BUT, remember, the nifty part of Puppy Linux is that it runs on most 
PC's that can boot from a CD.   When you shut Puppy down, the hard drive 
can be totally untouched.  Everything can run in memory, and personal 
save files can be on memory sticks or the like.  Thus you can try it all 
out without disturbing anything.

73, Bob  W7PUA