[CW] Fake or Real? MGY

Tue Feb 11 01:24:41 EST 2020

    I think some wire recorders used super sonic bias which would 
have lowered the noise and improved fidelity. I probably have 
specs somewhere. However, one problem that was never solved was 
the twisting of the wire between recording and playback. This 
caused a variation of the high frequencies. Wire recording was 
never that popular and didn't compete with tape. It was also very 
difficult to edit since splicing was done by tying an square 
knot. Worked but not well.
    There were a couple of machines that used steel tape. I think 
the early BBC recorders did. The first tape recorder I ever saw 
was in a roller skating rink in rural Michigan when I was a kid. 
Probably c.1947 but I am not sure. Have no idea of the kind. Once 
Ampex introduced high quality tape recorders many people began 
making them. At first no one could compete with Ampex but after a 
while there were several high quality machines available such as 
Fairchild and Rangertone. Ranger introduced a stepped drive 
capstan and roller to create tension on the tape without 
resorting to using the wind motors. Very clever. It took several 
years for Ampex et.al. to figure out that scrape flutter was 
important and provide rollers to remove it. Well, this is 
probably thoroughly off topic.

On 2/10/2020 4:02 PM, n7dc at comcast.net wrote:
> I will first state, I havent looked up when wire recorders were 
> first in use, but I happned to own one in 1960s and actually 
> used it on my ham radio desk while going to college.  I copied 
> both cw and also some voice AM signals in my SWL listening.  I 
> recorded my own cw signals , from time to time, as well.  It 
> worked, but a lot of trouble, and noises on it.  It made a good 
> CQ transmission, for voice. HI.
>
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>> On February 10, 2020 at 8:08 AM "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
>> <n1ea at arrl.net> wrote:
>>
>> Charles Apgar, W2MN recorded Sayville, NY radio, WSL on an 
>> Edison wax cylinder recorder. Most of the cylinders were lost 
>> they had been on display at NBC radio in NYC.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> DR
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 08:05 spud roscoe < 
>> spudrve1bc at outlook.com <mailto:spudrve1bc at outlook.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Good Morning:
>>
>>     If my memory serves me correctly I remember reading
>>     something of the court case over WSL during World War I.
>>     In that the so called experts stated they did *not* know
>>     of a devise that could record radio signals. Maybe if you
>>     have access to that it will indicate fake because it was
>>     four or five years after Titanic. Years ago I interviewed
>>     some of the old operators that were operating around then.
>>     I find it hard to believe there was a recording and the
>>     Cape Race VCE logs on Titanic were lost in the fire when
>>     the station burned in 1919.
>>
>>     Hope this helps.
>>
>>     73
>>
>>     Spud VE1BC
>>
>>     Sent from Mail
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>>     Windows 10
>>
>>     *From: *D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <mailto:n1ea at arrl.net>
>>     *Sent: *February 10, 2020 7:09 AM
>>     *To: *CW Reflector <mailto:cw at mailman.qth.net>
>>     *Subject: *Re: [CW] Fake or Real? MGY
>>
>>     The narrator isn't me. There was a W5 callsign given at
>>     the end, that man was born in 1920, he has an amazing
>>     voice for a man that old.  Most likely the last letter of
>>     his call got cut off.
>>
>>     I agree with your remarks, they spent a lot of time on a
>>     fake recording, I think.
>>
>>     73
>>
>>     DR
>>
>>     On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 00:52 Richard Knoppow
>>     <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com <mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         Now, having listened again to the entire thing with
>>     introduction I find some of what I wanted is addressed
>>     particularly the origin of the recording.
>>         Is the narrator you David? If so I wish I had been a
>>     little
>>     more gentle in my remarks. Also, if its you, it makes my
>>     judgement more toward the recording being genuine because
>>     I know
>>     you are a historian and generally pretty reliabl
>>
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