[CW] Charts of Radio Morse and American Wire Morse.

Fri Oct 31 16:39:14 EDT 2014

I go to a Scout Camporee around Charlottesville Va, every year, and 
there is often a tent set up there with old timers with sounders,keys, 
etc. showing the boys the "old" way to do it.  A number of them have 
been hams too. As a kid, in Texas, I used to visit the railroad station 
and listen to the dispatcher there, as he sent back and forth up and 
down the line.  I never was too interested in trying to copy, even 
after  passed my First Class badge, which included a requirement to send 
and receive a message via Morse Code.  We used International Morse, and 
could send either by buzzer, lights, or flag.
Danny Douglas
n7dc at arrl.net

> abqcooks--- via CW <mailto:cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Friday, October 31, 2014 4:00 PM
>
> A few decades ago I used to hear an American Morse net weekly on 40m.
> Don't hear any on radio anymore but it's alive and well on the 
> internet which now serves as "the wire".  Check out the Morse 
> Telegraph Club website for info.
> It's easy to interface a key and sounder to your computer.  Learning 
> to copy American on the sounder takes some time....but jump 
> in....there are still ops to talk to on the " wire".  Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Chester via CW" <cw at mailman.qth.net 
> <mailto:cw at mailman.qth.net>>
> To: <cw at mailman.qth.net <mailto:cw at mailman.qth.net>>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [CW] Charts of Radio Morse and American Wire
> Morse.
>
>
> > There used to be, and maybe still is if any members are
> > still kicking, a
> > group of hams who practised American landline Morse in a
> > net on 80m.
> > Probably old time railway operators. As I recall, they
> > ID'ed in
> > International Morse, but carried on their net in American
> > Morse.
> >
> > Johnny Johnston, who had retired from the FCC and who is
> > well known by the
> > AM phone community as the guy who instigated a steady
> > stream of RM proposals
> > during his 25-year tenure that would have severely
> > restricted amateur AM or
> > eliminated it altogether, claimed in an article he wrote
> > that American Morse
> > is illegal to use on the ham bands because, according to
> > the Part 97 rules,
> > CW is defined as "on and off keying, using International
> > Morse code". He
> > claimed it was illegal to transmit American Morse because
> > it does not fit
> > the FCC's definition of CW.
> >
> > The president of a telegrapher-hobbyist club contacted the
> > FCC regarding the
> > article. They basically told him to ignore that guy
> > because he no longer
> > works for the FCC and no longer has any say over what is
> > legal on the ham
> > bands. I talked to one of the guys in the club at Dayton
> > and exchanged
> > e-mails with another member and that's what they told me.
> > Pretty sad... the
> > guy tried his best to screw over a group of hams while he
> > was at the FCC,
> > and once he retired, was still at it, trying to screw over
> > another group of
> > hams.
> >
> > There is enough similarity between the codes that one
> > probably could follow
> > the gist of the conversation if one knew only the other
> > code, kind of like
> > someone who speaks Spanish can get the gist of a
> > conversation in Italian
> > and vice versa. I was surprised how easily I could
> > understand regular
> > International Morse when transmitted to an old fashioned
> > land-line sounder
> > during a demonstration. I don't know if I could decipher
> > much of a message
> > in American Morse transmitted to a sounder, though.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Don k4kyv
> >
> Many years ago I worked American Morse with an old
> time railroad operator. I doubt if I could read it now, at
> least without considerable practice, although its really not
> very much different than Continental Morse. Reading either
> from a sounder is something else. I have a few sounders and
> have run them from a tape transmitter using Continental
> Morse. Its like learning Morse all over again but that's
> just me and my hearing is not what it used to be. A sounder
> in a resonator is LOUD! Makes you wonder what a large
> telegraph office must have sounded like.
> As far as the legality I am not so certain that any
> code that is not a cipher is illegal provided stations are
> identified correctly. What ever this guy says it would take
> an attempted prosecution and court case to determine what
> the law really is. The FCC makes _rules_ but those can be
> challenged in court.
> BTW, if this is the fellow who created the power limit
> rule for AM he is just out of it. I don't know if that
> definition of AM power has ever been challenged legally but
> it should be because it doesn't make any sense.
>
>
> --
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles
> WB6KBL
> dickburk at ix.netcom.com <mailto:dickburk at ix.netcom.com>
>
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> Richard Knoppow via CW <mailto:cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Friday, October 31, 2014 11:36 AM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Chester via CW" 
> <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> To: <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [CW] Charts of Radio Morse and American Wire Morse.
>
>
>      Many years ago I worked American Morse with an old time railroad 
> operator. I doubt if I could read it now, at least without 
> considerable practice, although its really not very much different 
> than Continental Morse.  Reading either from a sounder is something 
> else. I have a few sounders and have run them from a tape transmitter 
> using Continental Morse. Its like learning Morse all over again but 
> that's just me and my hearing is not what it used to be. A sounder in 
> a resonator is LOUD!  Makes you wonder what a large telegraph office 
> must have sounded like.
>      As far as the legality I am not so certain that any code that is 
> not a cipher is illegal provided stations are identified correctly. 
> What ever this guy says it would take an attempted prosecution and 
> court case to determine what the law really is. The FCC makes _rules_ 
> but those can be challenged in court.
>      BTW, if this is the fellow who created the power limit rule for 
> AM he is just out of it. I don't know if that definition of AM power 
> has ever been challenged legally but it should be because it doesn't 
> make any sense.
>
>
> -- 
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles
> WB6KBL
> dickburk at ix.netcom.com
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