[CW] CW Digest, Vol 63, Issue 17

Sun Jul 26 12:30:51 EDT 2009

Memorizing Q or Zsignals:

It struck me some years back that if you want to memorize more than the 
usually used Q or Z signals, just ignore the Q or Z when learning the 
signals by heart .( Remember to insert the Q or Z  'prefix' when operating 
!).

Henry - OZ1UF, Cph. DK

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>   1. Re: AR or K after CQ (Ken Brown)
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>   3. Re: AR or K after CQ (AD5VJ  Bob)
>   4. Re: AR or K after CQ (K0HB)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:44:10 -1000
> From: Ken Brown <ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net>
> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
> To: CW Reflector <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <4A6B6E9A.6040909 at hawaiiantel.net>
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>>
>> Having said that, I agree with the numerous observations in this thread 
>> that
>> this is AMATEUR radio, so who really gives a rip how you terminate a CQ?
>>
>>
> CW Prosigns, Q signals and other abbreviations used in CW operations act
> as a form of data compression. By using these methods we can exchange
> more information in less time with less effort. This only works if the
> meanings of the prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations are known,
> understood and agreed upon by the operators at both ends of the
> circuit.(or all of the operators in a net, or "reading the mail"). By
> learning the proper use of these prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations
> we can become more effective CW operators. Some of us do give a rip.
>
> Does this mean we should refuse to have a QSO with someone who seems to
> not understand the proper use and meanings, or who has a different
> understanding of them than we do? Absolutely not! Should not knowing all
> the details keep someone from getting on the air and making QSO?
> Absolutely not! Does it mean we should lecture to another operator about
> our understanding of the proper meanings and use? Not without being
> invited to do so by someone who is interested.
>
> When someone does ask a question about the details of correct use of
> prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations, I take that as an opportunity to
> help that person and myself develop our operating skills. I can learn by
> pondering the questions, looking for answers, and seeing how it applies
> to my operating. The other operator may learn something new, and I my
> learn something correctly that I had previously learned incorrectly  .
>
> It doesn't matter much to me if someone sends "MY NAME IS DAVE". I will
> respond with "OP KEN". If Dave doesn't already understand that, he will
> probably eventually figure out that it means "the operator's name is
> Ken". I will not tell Dave he is wrong to spell it out, letter for
> letter. It is not "wrong". Using the abbreviated form is more efficient,
> and can get a QSO moving more quickly along, in to more interesting
> topics. By using prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations we can exchange
> more interesting information in the same time and band conditions, or
> perhaps complete a basic QSO in less time and poorer band conditions.
>
> 73 DE N6KB K
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:58:26 -0000
> From: "K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
> To: <ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net>, "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <014B857B9FE94647A71F89CBC7A96352 at BigGuyII>
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>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ken Brown" <ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:44 PM
> To: "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
>
>>
>>>
>>> Having said that, I agree with the numerous observations in this thread
>>> that
>>> this is AMATEUR radio, so who really gives a rip how you terminate a CQ?
>>>
>>>
>> CW Prosigns, Q signals and other abbreviations used in CW operations act
>> as a form of data compression. By using these methods we can exchange
>> more information in less time with less effort. This only works if the
>> meanings of the prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations are known,
>> understood and agreed upon by the operators at both ends of the
>> circuit.(or all of the operators in a net, or "reading the mail"). By
>> learning the proper use of these prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations
>> we can become more effective CW operators. Some of us do give a rip.
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> . <clippage here>
> .
> .
> .
> .
>>
>> 73 DE N6KB K
>
> N6KB DE K0HB R AR
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:10:25 -0500
> From: "AD5VJ  Bob" <rtnmi at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
> To: "'K0HB'" <K0HB at ARRL.ORG>, "'CW Reflector'" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <8FB45DC92BFD4CDABC886F94C4844DE3 at RAD9FBHB71>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I just found this webpage for what it's worth, sounds like some sound 
> advice especially for newbies.
>
> http://cw.dimebank.com/cak/k6dbg/k6dbg_cw.html
>
> Bob AD5VJ
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K0HB
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:58 PM
>> To: ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net; CW Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ken Brown" <ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:44 PM
>> To: "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Having said that, I agree with the numerous observations in this
>> >> thread that this is AMATEUR radio, so who really gives a
>> rip how you
>> >> terminate a CQ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > CW Prosigns, Q signals and other abbreviations used in CW
>> operations
>> > act as a form of data compression. By using these methods we can
>> > exchange more information in less time with less effort. This only
>> > works if the meanings of the prosigns, Q signals and
>> abbreviations are
>> > known, understood and agreed upon by the operators at both
>> ends of the
>> > circuit.(or all of the operators in a net, or "reading the
>> mail"). By
>> > learning the proper use of these prosigns, Q signals and
>> abbreviations
>> > we can become more effective CW operators. Some of us do give a rip.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> . <clippage here>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> >
>> > 73 DE N6KB K
>>
>> N6KB DE K0HB R AR
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:47:42 -0000
> From: "K0HB" <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ
> To: <ken.d.brown at hawaiiantel.net>, "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <3148F6D0D13C4DE1A2B72635E4429D86 at BigGuyII>
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>
>> CW Prosigns, Q signals and other abbreviations used in CW operations act
>> as a form of data compression. By using these methods we can exchange
>> more information in less time with less effort. This only works if the
>> meanings of the prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations are known,
>> understood and agreed upon by the operators at both ends of the
>> circuit.(or all of the operators in a net, or "reading the mail"). By
>> learning the proper use of these prosigns, Q signals and abbreviations
>> we can become more effective CW operators.
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
>> 73 DE N6KB K
>
> That's all good and true.  In fact, you could double for my first Navy 
> boss,
> Teleman Chief Raymond D. Weaver. He told me all that stuff 50 years ago, 
> and
> he was absolutely right.  I took his advice, worked hard, and 21 years 
> later
> retired from the Navy as a Master Chief Radioman.  Quite the professional,
> if I must say so myself.
>
> But now I'm only an Amateur Radioman, and I revel in not giving a rip 
> about
> "more information in less time with less effort".  I'm only here for the
> fun.  You can end your CQ in "K", "AR", or no prosign at all ..... I'll
> answer to any and all.
>
> DIT DIDI DIT DIT       DIT     DIT
>
> (Chief Weaver would roll in his grave if he heard me send that!  Not
> professional, you know.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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