[CW] AR or K after CQ?

Tue Jul 21 19:50:41 EDT 2009

Nope, AR is end of message.  SK is end of contact.  The ARRL Operating
Manual explains all.

73

Howard K2UD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DANNY DOUGLAS" <N7DC at COMCAST.NET>
To: "CW Reflector" <cw at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [CW] AR or K after CQ?

> Nope -   AR is the same as SK or VA - and means I am finished with my
> communications, and am not going to listen anymore.
>
> That reminds me of the "Roger, over and out" often (way too often) heard
or
> seen on tv and movies.  That would mean"  OVER - (I am finished talking
this
> round, you go ahead), and OUT means " I am finished with our
> communications".  In other words they just said:  "Over to you but I aint
> listening"
>
> I have seen at least one DX RTTY station ending every transmission with
"SK"
> and when he gets a dozen others calling him, he gets upset, because most
of
> the time he is still trying to talk to the original station.  By the way,
> SK, and VA are simply the same ..._._ character in cw, and each was used
in
> different services in different parts of the world, and still may be.
>
> The other guy is correct:  K should be used at the end of every CQ.  It
> means "anyone please answer".   KN should be used at the end of your last
> "over" and means you want ONLY the station to which you are presently
> talking,  to come back to you. "K4KYV DE N7DC R TKS FOR QSO AND HOW COPY
NOW
> KN" If N1ooo calls at that time, I will probably tell him to stand by, or
> just ignore him.   If I say: " K4KYV DE N7DC RGR THANKS QSO ES HOPE SEE
YOU
> AGN 73 AR"   That means I have finished talking to you (assuming you have
> given me your final before that), and now the N1ooo or anyone else has
free
> air to call me.
>
> The present "authority" on tellecomunications pro-signs, would seem to be
> the NATO instructional books, which were just a follow-on of US and some
> other authorative government instructions from way back in the 30s-40s.
> Those books, by the way, are called the ACP line of telecommunications
> instructions.  You can search them, such as ACP 117,   etc.
>
> Hey, and you do have people answer after you say  CQ AR, but you dont know
> how many DIDNT answer because you used that.   !!!!!
> Danny Douglas
> N7DC
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> To: <cw at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:31 PM
> Subject: [CW] AR or K after CQ?
>
>
> >I got into what turned into a heated debate recently over the use of AR
> > following a CQ.
> >
> > The other person said you should never send anything but K after a CQ,
and
> > that it is poor operating to use AR.
> >
> > Isn't AR supposed to mean that you have made a call, and you are
standing
> > by, listening for a station you have not yet made contact with? For
> > example,
> > if I had a sked with W9XXX and gave him a call, I would send W9XXX W9XXX
> > de
> > K4KYV AR. Once I hear his reply and we have established contact, I would
> > then send W9XXX de K4KYV K (or KN).
> >
> > When I call CQ and stand by to listen, by definition, no contact has yet
> > been established with the station I eventually contact. So wouldn't the
> > appropriate prosign be AR? To me, K implies that we have established
> > contact
> > and I am telling him to "go ahead".
> >
> > I looked this up in some of my old books both ARRL and non-ARRL.  Some
of
> > the more recent editions seem to prefer K, but Handy's first edition of
> > the
> > ARRL handbook from the late 20's used ._._. (AR).
> >
> > I say it is a matter of preference.  Who would be the "authority" in
such
> > a
> > matter?  I have heard it both ways in all the 50  years I have been
> > licensed.  To me, AR has a more pleasant swing for ending a CQ, and it
> > seems
> > to better round out the transmission.  K seems too abrupt.  I have never
> > had
> > a problem getting someone to answer my CQ after sending AR.
> >
> >
> > Don k4kyv
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