At 25 WPM I have to set the gap on my J-38 so wide that the pieces all fall apart. At 20 WPM I have to use my slow foot. ;-) Charlie, N1AOK --- John, W3ULS wrote: Bill, W4ZV, has posted a note on another reflector that he had a QSO last night with a 102-year-old op, and it was at 25 wpm. Heck, at that rate, I'm just getting going :-) --- end of quote ---