[CW] High speed sending...
Pedro J. Santa
[email protected]
Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:23:43 -0100
NOW that you jumped, I HAD to jump again. Well, well, comparing "bugs" =
against Iambics with claims of parity in "motions" is not honest. First, =
I want to make clear that I love bugs; I have about 40 different =
Vibroplexes, plus some other semiautomatics, try to use them whenever =
there's another bug operator at the other end, enjoy then enormously, =
and agree wholeheartedly that they are a wonderful invention. But please =
let's not insist on that nonsense of counting strokes in an effort to =
compare bugs (and single lever keys as well) against dual lever iambic =
paddles with a keyer, when the latter are operated as they should be =
and, man, that's not very difficult if you've already mastered the Code.
Even though this penchant for counting motions and strokes misses the =
mark as to what is efficient and comfortable operation, selecting those =
letters you have chosen in your effort to make a comparison using such =
an inapposite benchmark is misleading--not to talk about the suggestion =
that only bug operators rest their wrists on the table. In any event, =
just consider letters such as C, J, K, M, O, P, Q, R, W, Z and you =
have to concede that the number of strokes and effort with a iambic =
paddle are significantly reduced. Not to talk about most of the numbers, =
commas and other signs. And even the other letters, such as those you =
have selected, are with iambics simply easier to the contact and lighter =
on the force required than occurs with bugs. Iambic operation is the =
only one that allows you, if you want to learn, to attain that close, =
intimate, almost imperceptible spacing that paddles permit, with the =
"simultaneous" fingering that only iambics/keyers permit. Just call =
"CQ" with a bug or single lever and count--if you wish to continue with =
such a counting exercise-- and then call "CQ" and count with a Iambic =
paddle, properly used--if you want to continue counting.=20
Oh, well, well, this is really a "no brainer" and I'm amazed so much =
energy has been spent on the subject. Let's all support our beloved CW =
from our stations with all kinds of keys we want to use and let's just =
abandon these futile diatribes--and more so when some of the claims that =
are so forcefully made are so utterly unsupportable.
73 Pedro KP3X.. =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Larry L. Ravlin" <>
To: "Mike Hyder -N4NT-" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; =
"cw" <>; "John/K4WJ" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...
> I just HAD to jump in. I use a Bug (a wonderful invention if I do say =
so
> myself) An 'A' is three motions. my wrist is resting on the table =
and I
> swing to the rt for the dit and swing to the left for the dash and =
then to
> the rt to release there is no seperate motion to release the dit. =
Like wise
> a letter libe 'B' is three motions, I swing lt for the dah and swing =
rt for
> the dits and then lt to release. ad infitium.
> To ea his own, I like the bugs they look cool on my desk. I learned =
cw on a
> bug and now into my 60's i'm not abt to change.
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> Larry L. Ravlin AKA "Laurence the Magnificent"
> [email protected]
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John/K4WJ <[email protected]>
> To: Mike Hyder -N4NT- <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; cw
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...
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>=20
> > Mike,
> >
> > How do you count three activities for a single lever paddle and four =
for a
> > dual lever paddle? You are missing a very important event on the =
single
> > lever paddle that must be counted. See below:
> >
> > At 10:56 PM 8/6/02 -0400, Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:
> >
> > >Letter Iambic keyer motions Single
> levermotions
> > >
> > >A (push) dot, (push) dash, release dot release dash (4) dot, =
dash,
> > >release dash (3)
> >
> > A push dot, release dot, push dash, release dash (4) dot,
> release
> > dot, dash, release dash (4)
> >
> > If you don't release the pressure from the thumb which is applied to =
the
> > single lever paddle to create the dot, your thumb and your finger =
will be
> > working against each other when you go to create the dash.
> >
> > Jan Ditzian, KX2A, pointed this out to you back on Tuesday, May 2, =
2000,
> in
> > a message to you on the TenTec reflector.
> >
> > When counting the activities to create the letter A with a SINGLE =
LEVER
> > paddle, why are you NOT counting the release of the dot as an =
activity?
> (It
> > surely must be done in order to move the paddle over to the dash =
side.)
> >
> > When you use a dual lever paddle with an iambic keyer you must =
release the
> > dot before you create the dash or else you will send the letter R. =
Your
> > example above for a dual lever paddle/iambic keyer is incorrect, but =
I
> will
> > overlook it, since I know you are aware of what I just explained =
about
> > releasing the dot before creating the dash.
> >
> > I'm really interested in reading your answer to my question.
> >
> > 73..de John/K4WJ
> >
> > >C dash, dot release dash release dot (4) dash, dot, dash, =
dot,
> > >release (5)
> > >K dash, dot, release dot, release dash (4) dash, dot, dash,
> release
> > >(4)
> > >N dash, dot, release dash release dot (4) dash, dot, release =
(3)
> > >R dot, dash, release dash, release dot (4) dot, dash, dot, =
release
> (4)
> > >AR dot, dash, release dash release dot (4) dot, dash, dot, =
dash, dot,
> > >release (6)
> > >
> > >If you go through the alphabet with this analysis, you'll see that =
total
> > >movements are fewer with the single-lever because pushing it one =
way
> clears
> > >the opposite contact.
> > >
> > >If the characters a, c, k, n, r, and + (/ar) are all the identical
> motions
> > >iambicly (and I'll concede they probably are), then it is no wonder =
my
> brain
> > >gets confused. Each letter ought to be a discrete set of motions,
> shouldn't
> > >it? I'd not only have to remember those identical motions, but I'd =
also
> > >have to be very precise in my timing and I wouldn't have a sidetone =
to
> help
> > >me because my motions are required to be ahead of the sidetone -- =
that's
> > >sending blind???
> > >
> > >No, I do not see that the iambic keyer is doing a lot of the work =
for us.
> > >
> > >About sending periods. . . People who do that are one of my pet =
peeves.
> > >Most of the folks I talk with just pause a second if they want to =
pause.
> > >They send neither a period nor a BT. But if they need to say "uh" =
then
> they
> > >might send BT.
> > >
> > >73, Mike N4NT
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ronald KA4INM Youvan" <[email protected]>
> > >To: "cw" <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:27 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > John, their proof fails. They not only ignore the fact that =
with
> dual
> > > > > levers you must make an independent motion to release a lever; =
they
> > > > > absolutely deny that is the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I am sending the letter "A" then I make 3 motions: push =
dot,
> push
> > >dash,
> > > > > release. Pushing the dash clears the dot contact on a =
single-lever
> key.
> > > > > With the dual-lever, I must push the dot, push the dash, =
release the
> > >dot,
> > > > > release the dash. Call it as you will, there are more motions
> required
> > >with
> > > > > the dual-lever -- in fact I believe something like 13 of the =
letters
> > >require
> > > > > more discrete motions to send with the dual-lever than the =
single.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike, you are missing something important, send an `a' then =
send a
> `.'
> > >with
> > > > your single lever, I use the SAME motion and effort for both =
with my
> > >double
> > > > lever, do you see any difference? The characters a, c, k, n, r, =
and +
> > >(/ar)
> > > > (possibly more, it is late) are all the identical motions =
iambicly,
> > > > are they with a single lever? Do you see that the iambic keyer =
is
> doing a
> > >lot
> > > > of the work for us?
> > > > When I rag chew I never send a /bt, I send a period to end
> sentences,
> > > > or thoughts. Why not, it fits and it is as easy to send as the =
letter
> A.
> > > > Do you see why?
> > > >
> > > > 73 (=3D Best Regards) de: Ron [email protected]
> > > > 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC
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