Fw: [CW] High speed sending...

Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:15:06 -0400

OH, BY THE WAY,

Would someone loan me a V22 just to try out ???  ;<)

Don W3WW

----- Original Message -----
From: "George, W5YR" <[email protected]>
To: "Mike Hyder -N4NT-" <[email protected]>; "John Bohnovic"
<[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...

> Mike, you are nit-picking at a trivial aspect of sending code. You are
> overlooking the fact that many of those strokes you are counting result
> from merely relaxing the pressure previously placed on a paddle.Usually
> this is done with no conscious thought at all. It is just part of the
> muscle-memory involved in sending a character.
>
> From too many years of running a bug, I use my Vibroplex Deluxe paddles
> just like a single paddle. I rock my hand on the bottom of the palm and
> lean with my thumb for a dit and rock my hand the other way to press the
> dah paddle with a finger or two.
>
> I can't think of anyone who would use a set of paddles the way you
> described unless they were committed to squeeze keyers in earnest, which I
> am very much NOT.
>
> And if you are capable of sending code at such speeds that the dot and
dash
> memory response times slow you down, you have my undying respect!   <:}
>
> Mike, it just isn't that big a deal. I used a single lever paddle for
> awhile since I was transitioning from a bug, but it just didn't feel
right.
> So I went to the dual-paddle key and found my own style.
>
> I designed and built an iambic keyer in the early 70's with RTL logic (!)
> that incorporated all the features that we have today, except for
memories.
> I found that true squeeze keying was not for me and reverted to the bug
> style that I still use. I am not a "speed op" by any means but I am
> comfortable with what I can do and most folks can understand me.
>
> My unsolicited advice is just to stop worrying about keeping up mentally
> with "four states" and concentrate more on just sending text from the
> newspaper or whatever until you find your own style. It is in there
> somewhere!   <:}
>
> And, most important of all: there is no "right" or "wrong" way to use a
> paddle as long as the right stuff comes out of the radio.
>
> 73/72/oo, George W5YR - the Yellow Rose of Texas
> Fairview, TX 30 mi NE of Dallas in Collin county EM13qe
> Amateur Radio W5YR, in the 56th year and it just keeps getting better!
> QRP-L 1373 NETXQRP 6 SOC 262 COG 8 FPQRP 404 TEN-X 11771 I-LINK 11735
> Icom IC-756PRO #02121  Kachina 505 DSP  #91900556  Icom IC-765 #02437
>
>
> Mike Hyder -N4NT- wrote:
> >
> > John, their proof fails.  They not only ignore the fact that with dual
> > levers you must make an independent motion to release a lever; they
> > absolutely deny that is the case.
> >
> > If I am sending the letter "A" then I make 3 motions:  push dot, push
dash,
> > release.  Pushing the dash clears the dot contact on a single-lever key.
> > With the dual-lever, I must push the dot, push the dash, release the
dot,
> > release the dash.  Call it as you will, there are more motions required
with
> > the dual-lever -- in fact I believe something like 13 of the letters
require
> > more discrete motions to send with the dual-lever than the single.  I
wrote
> > a long (7 page) dissertation on this but it has long-since vanished.
> >
> > 73, Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bohnovic" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Mike Hyder -N4NT-" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CW] High speed sending...
> >
> > > At 06:10 PM 8/2/02 -0400, Mike Hyder  -N4NT- wrote:
> > >
> > > >My brain is not able to handle 4 different contact states (open, dot,
> > dash,
> > > >both).  People will dispute it, but because the dual-lever paddles
> > operate
> > > >independently, there must be a motion to release a paddle which makes
the
> > > >iambic actually less efficient.  And finally, because of the delay
> > between
> > > >manipulation of the paddles and the output of the keyer (because of
dot
> > and
> > > >dash memories) my brain had trouble with speeds over 30 wpm.
> > > >
> > > >And lastly, I do not know anyone who operates over about 30 wpm who
uses
> > an
> > > >iambic keyer/key.  How fast do you operate?
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > You know me and I use my WBL or my buddy Don's (W4WJ) Mercury at
speeds
> > > between 30 and 35 wpm. Sometimes I have to slow down because the band
> > > conditions don't permit transmissions at these speeds. You will seldom
> > hear
> > > me using my Heathkit UltraPro and when I do, It is usually set about
3-5
> > > wpm faster than the speed my keyer is set at.
> > >
> > > At least two people have posted messages to this reflector proving
that
> > > dual lever paddles, when used with an iambic keyer, are more
efficient.
> > > Either you didn't read those messages, or you read them and didn't
> > > understand them, or you are ignoring what they said. I probably have a
> > copy
> > > of them on this PC if anyone is interested I will look for them and
post
> > > them on this reflector.
> > >
> > > 73..de John/K4WJ
> >
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