[CTSARA] CTSARA Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18

[mikejmardis at aol.com]

I was pointing out that that is a fluff video. Period!
Give me a chance to put my proof in the pudding. It doesn't cost you anything. 
I don't want to squabble back and forth. Based on what you have been saying, I would think you would be open minded about alternative training. 
But the fact that you lash out at it and trumpet how many people you have brought to the service makes me believe you fear outside knowledge. I assure you I'm not trying to take over anything. 
I KNOW I have some sound and practical training and advice for the CERT service to grow from. 
I've offered an opportunity for you to judge yourself after I show you what I mean. It'll cost you nothing more than about an hour of your time. 
It's up to you Jon. Are you willing to maybe learn something? Maybe I'm full of it. There's only going to be one way to tell. 

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> From: Jon Perelstein <jon.perelstein at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTSARA] CTSARA Digest, Vol 76, Issue 15
> To: Mike Mardis <mikejmardis at aol.com>
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> 
> Hey Mike
> 
> Those golf carts and flashy lights belong to Stamford EMS and Stamford Fire
> and Rescue, not CERT.  Those are the golf carts and flashy lights that SEMS
> and SFRD brought to the drill.  The same golf carts and flashy lights that
> SEMS and SFRD use for extractions of this sort.  The same golf carts and
> flashy lights that SEMS and SFRD used last month when someone had to be
> extracted for real in Mianus River Park.  I apologize for allowing SEMS and
> SFRD to follow their standard policies and procedures and use their
> standard equipment.
> 
> That's a SEMS Captain directing the operation and teaching our people how
> to control the sledge.  It was his decision to put a training dummy in the
> sledge rather than a live human.  Not a bad decision given that the people
> working the sledge had never before had any previous training/experience in
> working the sledge.  I apologize for allowing SEMS to make a decision
> involving safety of human life.
> 
> The decision for SEMS/SFRD to bring out the victim rather than CERT is
> SEMS/SFRD policy.    I apologize for allowing SEMS and SFRD to follow their
> standard policy.
> 
> As a matter of fact, yes we have had training in land navigation.  Since
> the conditions of the drill was an unconscious victim who could not be
> reached by cell phone and could not be triangulated from his cell phone, we
> found him with a skirmish line search, with each team taking an area of the
> park formed by the natural terrain of the park -- exactly what we were
> taught to do by an SFRD captain.  I apologize for allowing us to have an
> SFRD captain teach us.
> 
> I'm not sure about what you mean when you say "where was the emphasis on
> comms".  We critiqued the comms after the drill and we'll critique them in
> detail again at our next meeting.  I apologize that that our people (most
> of whom who never in their lives touched a radio until a few months ago)
> are not yet perfect on their comms.  I especially apologize that our
> people (most of whom who never in their lives touched a radio until a few
> months ago) are not yet perfect on their comms protocols, and I apologize
> for the fact that Stamford didn't discuss their comms protocols with us
> until about 15 hours ago.
> 
> So what exactly is your problem?
> 
> First you attacked CERT because we want to have our new hams get more
> experience with their equipment by conducting a regular net.  Wow, having
> people get experience with their equipment - what a horrible thing to do.
> 
> Then you attacked our training without knowing the first damned thing about
> what training we've had, what training the Feds mandate, or what training
> the City has or has not provided/directed us to have.
> 
> Now you're attacking us because SEMS/SFRD conducted the loading and
> extraction of the victim according to their policies and procedures using
> their equipment.
> 
> Clearly you don't like the guy who shot the video.  Sorry, not my problem.
> Not Stamford CERT's problem.  Also not the problem of Wilton CERT or New
> Canaan CERT or Westport CERT or any other CERT in the area.  Whatever
> problems you have with him are between you and him.
> 
> If you wanted a discussion, then you would have had a discussion.  You
> would have asked questions, maybe offered suggestions and not just snarky
> comments about flashy lights and golf carts or generic assaults on training
> without knowing anything about our training (good or bad).
> 
> You've had your opportunity for discussion and didn't take it.  I'm done.
> Buh bye.
> 
> Jon
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